Julia Gillard certainly got it right by returning from holidays to take charge, but things tailed away after that.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard after the boat sank. Pic: Nikki Short.

First, there was her botched announcement of an all-party committee to jointly gather the facts about the Christmas Island tragedy. She had phoned Tony Abbott in Tokyo to float the idea, reporters were told. Yet within hours the Opposition claimed the idea had not even been raised with Mr Abbott in the call.

So what was the point? Was it just a way of diverting pressure for an independent inquiry? If so it was an egregious error. If the deaths of at least 30 people because of systemic failure is not cause for an independent inquiry, what is?

The whole thing had a disturbingly familiar ring to it as, with her regional processing centre in East Timor, the proposal simply was not nailed down when announced.

At its best, the motive of taking some of the partisan heat out of an issue that has fuelled an ugly side of Australian politics, is worthy. Few believe, however, this really was the objective.

Rather, the suspicion is this was more like a boxer’s clinch - pulling in your opponent when you’re being pummelled so he can throw no punches.

In any event, what Ms Gillard flagged was virtually unprecedented: that the Opposition, which holds the current border protection policy in absolute contempt, partners with the Government in interrogating officials and agencies.

In the eyeball to eyeball argument over border protection, it was a clear blink betraying the Government’s sensitivity to Opposition attacks and its own lack of answers.

Labor MPs now are bracing for a storm. They know the Opposition, which blew the dog whistle on the very day the tragedy occurred, will capitalise on the attention this tragedy brings to highlight what it views as the Government’s culpability in attracting boats.

``What has occurred today off the cliffs of Christmas Island represents our worst fears realised,’’ Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison had said.

So craven is Labor’s disposition now it even praised Mr Morrison’s comment as honourable, not at all related to Mr Abbott’s incendiary ``stop the boats’’ slogan.

It’s a cynical interpretation but then, consistency has been thin on the ground in this debate. First there’s the Opposition. Its legions of moral guardians stand ready to fight to the death to oppose gay marriage but remain strangely mute on the immorality of demonising the world’s most dispossessed.

Most are more than happy to seek political advantage from the increased flow of boats.

Then there’s the Government. It now is clueless and paralysed, having adopted its opponent’s bellicose ``tough-on-boats’’ rhetoric while still getting whacked by voters for failing against this very same metric.

Labor’s abrogation of moral and political leadership is the direct result of allowing the Opposition to define the terms of the debate.

In office, it has refused to assert its policies or confront xenophobia for fear of alienating some voters.

Yet this weakness means it has banked little credit for the things it has done in the immigration and refugee space, such as ending the limbo status of temporary protection visas. The result is a kind of political limbo where it has failed to convince its conservative critics while simultaneously surrendering the opportunity to reframe the debate.

Former Hawke and Keating government minister Graham Richardson is as hard-nosed and pragmatic as they come and yet even he now is calling for Labor to dump its mimicry.

``These are boats that most of us wouldn’t use to cross Sydney Harbour, and these people are crossing vast tracts of ocean which obviously means there’s a fair degree of desperation and when you’ve got desperate people, you’re not going to stop them by wishing them away,’’ he said. ``I think Australia’s got to accept the fact that these boats are going to keep coming and that means you’re going to have to deal with the problem.’‘
Another ALP member who contacted me yesterday went further, branding Ms Gillard’s preference for a joint party committee over an independent inquiry as a ``fiasco’’ and a ``dog’s breakfast’‘.

As the year ends, there are growing concerns the PM’s strong parliamentary skills had masked a less reliable political instinct. Opponents cite a growing list of political miscalculations: Medicare Gold; urging Kevin Rudd to dump the emissions trading scheme; the 150-member citizens’ assembly; the East Timor processing centre; the ``Real Julia’’ declaration; the claim WikiLeaks founder Julia Assange had broken the law (debunked by the AFP); and, now, the refusal to commission an inquiry into the Christmas Island tragedy.

Scratchy indeed.

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    • Eric says:

      05:59am | 18/12/10

      The media can rail on about “dogwhistles” and “demonising”, but the public knows better.

      Polling consistently shows that the great majority of Australians are against opportunistic boat people of the sort encouraged by the Labor Party and Mark Kenny. This will not change merely because of name-calling and tut-tutting by sanctimonious journalists.

      Continuing to ignore the real issues, while using boo-words like “xenophobia” to dismiss opposing views, will lead to a continuation of the disaster.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      09:45am | 18/12/10

      Correct.
      These people who pay smugglers are not true asslyum seekers but opportunists with money, who are coming to suck on our welfare system.
      Why should they work when a couple can earn up to $52000/year.plus other benefits. They would feel like millionares and yet our Aussie pensioners are struggling.
      The TRUE REFUGEES are in camps awaiting their turn and yet WEAK gillard and labor continue to process these line jumpers, because of their current policy.

      Australia has a weak leader and because of her we are regarded as a soft touch.
      One of the most important sovreign duty of a govt. is to protect its borders, gillard and labor cant do it.

    • Phil says:

      11:45am | 18/12/10

      TCB You are correct, as is Eric.

      Gillard during the election basically admitted that Howard got it right. She just changed location for her regional processing centre from Nauru to Timor.

      Timor will not be built, and my money is that Gillard will not be PM by mid year. Shorten, Combet et al must be licking their lips at the chance to get the top job. Both are left wing ex union thugs who will pander even more to the traffic light party.

      People want boats stopped. My suggestion on another piece is in my opinion the best solution. Tell the UN to piss off. Recind our signature to the Refugee Convention. Then we dont have to take them. In turn increase our humanitarian intake by 200% but with temp visas for 5 years with a one strike and you are on the next plane back to whereever you came from. Give them cash say $ 15,000 each to start up, but no social security in the 5 years and only 6 months per 5 years thereafter. Have real nation building projects for them to work on which benefit everyone. That way no more people will meet the fate of the poor people who lost their lives since Gillard changed Howards policy. We have no Pacific Solution. We get hard workers, who can contribute rather than leach on our society. They get jobs, set up and we can build regional centres of people. As soon as they arrive they go straight into the community in the bush as they have been health screened, checked by ASIO/AFP etc before we fly them here.

    • Scot says:

      01:41pm | 18/12/10

      What is Gillard doing about taking a big stick to a corrupt Indonesia and the four Indian snake head families in Malaysia responsible for these murders. This scum have made more than US$29M from this illegal trade. And we have a Gillard Labor government that has set up a welcome sign for all to come and we will looks after you. We cannot even look after our own and we are giving away $600M to Indonesia for Muslim schools and to plant trees? This must be STOPPED NOW. The Australian public have had a gut full of this inept Labor Government.

    • Danoz says:

      05:21pm | 18/12/10

      Very well said Eric.

    • Scot says:

      01:28pm | 19/12/10

      UNHCR regional representative Richard Towle said large numbers of people now coming through the asylum system in Australia were not refugees and ‘‘the challenge is how to find fair and humane and effective ways of allowing them to leave this country to go home’

    • Andy says:

      01:57pm | 19/12/10

      Scot - at last some truth on who the large number of people are seeking asylum and they’re NOT refugees! STOP THE BOATS.

    • Jane says:

      02:26pm | 19/12/10

      Makes folly of the Governments arguement about why the increase of asylum seekers.

    • Onward christian soldiers says:

      12:44pm | 20/12/10

      The boat-phone would have changed all this.
      Tony could have turned the boats around and let the asylum seekers die somewhere else - out of sight.
      Being a good catholic, he could just have his mate pell absolve him of his sins and get a fresh start.

    • Peter says:

      06:00am | 18/12/10

      Abbott hasn’t changed his policy on Border Protection, it worked before, so how can anyone say it wouldn’t work again? They did stop or slow the boats making the perilous journey in unseaworthy boats. I don’t understand how you say they blew the dog whistle, when even customs and border protection personel warned the Labor Government that there would be an increase in arrivals by boat if they changed the policy and they were concerned a catastrophy may occur.. Scott Morrison is correct. Gillard Labor are hopeless with any policy they try to implement,, they had 11 years in Opposition to get themselves sorted out and plan for Government, yet they fail at every turn. It makes me wonder what the hell were they doing when they were in Opposition all that time? It’s policy on the run constantly, announcements without thought, and no back bone to stick with policy ideas they do have. The Gillard/Rudd Government are a disgrace.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:40am | 18/12/10

      Very well said Peter.  What is now quite clear is Labor’s tactic of dismissing any opposing view on the boat problem and ways of slowing the surge of arrivals.
      Gillard simply does not have the makings of a Prime Minister and the most frightening aspect of her character is the glaring lack of political courage to make necessary decisions.
      Announcements on the run , which amount to bullshit when analysed in the course of time , will ultimately be Gillard’s undoing.

    • Rumpole says:

      08:17am | 20/12/10

      If the Howards policy worked so well how do you account for $1 billion cost for Nauru, including the cost of Navy and Custom boats as escorts, and the 1700 asylum seekers processed through Nauru?

    • Keith Hammersmith says:

      06:04am | 18/12/10

      Is anyone really surprised?

    • mags says:

      06:16am | 18/12/10

      The tragedy of Christmas Island this week is just a symptom of the lack of moral and political courage shown by the Rudd/Gillard governments. Why they ever thought that Australians would go for this open door policy is beyond me. Australians are the kind of people who will give till it hurts to a worthy cause. This is not one of them.

      The constant claims that these illegals are desperate is good for the bleeding hearts but most Australians are more concerned about those who do the right thing and wait their turn in UNHCR camps. If the illegals are so desperate one would have thought, given that they have sufficient funds, that they would ask for asylum in the nearest country where they would be safe.

      Unfortunately for Australia the word has spread that we are a nation of softies who believe every tall story we hear. We give benefits to those who don’t deserve them at the expense of our own citizens. One day the well will finally run dry and for all our sakes I hope it is soon. When our government has to borrow millions a day to keep the country afloat, we know we’re headed for the bottom.

    • marley says:

      11:32am | 18/12/10

      “If the illegals are so desperate one would have thought, given that they have sufficient funds, that they would ask for asylum in the nearest country where they would be safe. “

      For an Afghan or Iraqi heading east, that would, in fact, be us.

    • Mark says:

      02:16pm | 18/12/10

      “these illegals” - are not illegal!

    • Michael says:

      04:29pm | 18/12/10

      Mark - well they should be….........

    • Greg says:

      11:04pm | 18/12/10

      The illegals are illegal. They are not complying with the Migration Act. Not complying with federal legislation is illegal. QED.

    • Big words frighten people says:

      10:45am | 19/12/10

      When these people arrive on Australian territory, they are called asylum seekers. Nothing more, nothing less.
      If after having been investigated, their claims are found to be genuine, they are called refugees.
      Those that are found to not be refugees are illegal migrants and are sent back to their originating country.

      Why is it so hard for you to understand this simple terminology?

    • Leto says:

      11:48am | 20/12/10

      @Big words frighten people says

      It’s because they have never bothered to look into who or what “boat people” are.

      Someone at the TAB or RSL told them that there were these boats full of foreigners landing up north and they were trying to take all our jobs.

      It just adds to the hypocrisy of Iraq and Afghanistan. Australia doesn’t give two sh#ts about these people. In Afghanistan, our soldiers are dying to ‘help’ these people. In Australia, we’re all about “STOP THE BOATS”.

    • acotrel says:

      02:58pm | 20/12/10

      The fact that the tragedy happened at Christmas Island, immediately before Christmas , might be a message to the christians,from Jesus?

    • Vote Quimby says:

      06:26am | 18/12/10

      The next newspoll is going to be interesting, Labor will lose a lot of support, which will go to both the Coalition and the Greens. Julia’s tenure will be looking rather shaky then

    • PJ says:

      09:14pm | 19/12/10

      Latest Morgan polls - Coalition 51.50% Labor 48.50% Primary votes Coalition 48% Labor 34% Independence & Greens remain the same!

    • angryman says:

      06:47am | 18/12/10

      I’ve said it before and I will say it again. Oakhurst and Windsor have blood on their hands. They support and prop up this government, thus are responsible for their deaths. Without their support, the governemnt would not be able to enact these immoral and failed policies.

    • Gregg says:

      09:50am | 18/12/10

      It is not just Oakeshott and Windsor with Blood on their hands for whilst they may have put the current government into power it has been the Labor government of Rudd and now Bob Greenard that are encouraging so called asylum seekers to attempt queue jumping.

      Julia is swimming in blood and she knows it.
      No need for politicking on this saga for the politics of all are well known and as for an enquiry, why waste the effort.

      The various symptons of this disease called Labor are endangering not just Australia and Australians.

    • Ex ALP voter says:

      11:58am | 18/12/10

      I really believe in Karma and I wish Oakie and Windsor and Gillard and Rudd get everything that is coming their way. This country has been a political mess since Rudd took over. 11 years of Howard and Rudd couldn’t keep the momentum going for even one term and his replacement is even more incompetent than than Ruddster could ever dream to be? There has to be change now, next year will see us sink further under a quasi-government led by the ever useless Julia Gillard.

    • steve parker says:

      07:02am | 18/12/10

      I’m afraid our current PM is a lightweight. There is no decision making for fear of making a mistake, no courage in policy formulation and a craven effort to try and smother the community in a monotone - while pleasing none. There are decisions reversed because of focus group feedback, shifty double meanings and just outright lies. I think most people are starting to see through the paper thin veneer.

    • dinkidi says:

      03:31pm | 21/12/10

      How can you make decisions when you are watching out for the next political assassin creeping up to put a knife in YOUR back?She got there that way and she knows she will probably go out the same way. There is no stability in the ALP, none whater.

    • No thanks to Juliar. says:

      07:11am | 18/12/10

      The constant wailing about “desperate people fleeing persecution” is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.  They travel through more than one culturally compatible, safe country to reach safe haven Indonesia, which is just one more transit point for economic refugees targeting Australia’s largesse. Indonesians must be sick and tired of people entering their country without any identification papers.

      All polls I’ve seen show that Australians do not want people rocking up on our coastline, burning boats and using mobile phones to call our navy water taxi. Subsequently we hear of their appreciation for our hospitality by rioting under the safe roofs provided by our taxpayers. Smoking cigarettes and how do they get afford mobile phone plans that our seniors can’t?
      I suspect much of many reasons that Australians have little affinity with Gillard is because she doesn’t reinstate temporary protection visas and introduce huge jail sentences for people smugglers, thus removing the perceived pull-factor “prize”.  And there’s thousands of Australian children in circumstances that will end their lives.  So let’s put all this in perspective.

    • TChong says:

      08:40am | 18/12/10

      NoThanks - No thanks to your crap.
      How the hell does a refugee having a cigarette , or mobile got anything to do with this?
      Could the phone come with the person from else where?
      “and theres thousands of Australin children in circumstances that will end their lives..,”
      What on earth are you talking about? What problem is being ignored, that will cost the lives of ” thousands of Australian children” , and how would this tragedy and any govt response have any impact on what you claim?

    • Graham says:

      08:40am | 18/12/10

      The illegals arrive in Indonesia with passports and travelling on tourist visas. It is only when they climb onto a boat that their ID mysteriously disappears.

    • Joan says:

      09:09am | 18/12/10

      They have access to computers too… probably NBN serviced. I heard some complained that there weren’t enough computers to go around.

    • Phil says:

      10:22am | 19/12/10

      TC Where is your alternative. What do you propose that could/may work. Surely with your one eye firmly looking at labor and the greens you cant say the current system is working.
      People need to take ownership of the issue, offer solutions, rather than whinge.

    • Disgusted Voter says:

      12:15pm | 20/12/10

      T.Chong!! Your Labor mates have stuffed up big time. But I won’t hold my breath while I wait for YOU to admit this! Any little typing mistake, any small mis-spelt word & you’ll use it for denigrate those who disagree with you. I am a swinging voter. I voted for Rudd, but I didn’t vote for Gillard because I knew she was just a puppet of the backroom boys. I have a right to my opinion, just as all others who join this blog. You can rant & rave as much as you like, but it won’t change MY opinion, an opinion made by reading & listening to many different commentators, that this government is atrocious. I believe that The Greens are the up & coming party of the future & they’ll take over Labor’s voting base. To put it succinctly, the Labor party is on it’s way to oblivion if it doesn’t pull it’s finger out & start doing the job it was voted in to do. I now await your bile filled response.

    • Charles says:

      07:17am | 18/12/10

      There are a fair few untested assumptions in this article.

      Describing these people as ‘the most dispossessed’ could be fairly described as a bit of a stretch given they have just shelled out many times the annual salary of the citizens of the country they have come from, to make this boat trip.  It is probable they voluntarily paid for this service, so dispossession would be inaccurate to say the least.

      What is wrong with Scott Morrison saying ‘our worst fears have been realised’?  He, along with a host of others have been predicting this would hapopen ever since Julkia Gillard softened the laws in August 2008, and the numbers of illegal immigrants has rolled in since that day.  Describing it as a dog whistle would be an uncalled for mutiliation of the English language.

      It is fairly obvious what will stop them, and that is to deny them a product.  John Howard achieved this for 6 years, and strangely enough the first group to arrive after that claimed they had been waiting in Indonesia for up to 10 years, so they obviously weren’t that desperate they had to make the voyage straight away as you insist.

      As far as investigative and opinionated journalism goes: epic fail, for not bothering to do any significant research or reading on the topic.

    • Joan says:

      09:23am | 18/12/10

      The so-called xenophobic Australians which is the majority understand that the Nauru solution worked…. now pure historic evidence. Journos and bleedinghearts refuse to accept evidence.

    • The Redman says:

      12:19pm | 18/12/10

      Joan, I refuse to accept a policy that compels people to risk, and sometimes lose, their lives in order to seek a safe and peaceful haven.  And while I accept it would appear that the majority of Australian’s support tougher measures, if not zero tolerant, I will never accept any view that puts the lives of terrified and desparate people before the prejudices and completely uniformed of the so-called majority.

      Merely because a majority, or perceived majority, supports a certain policy doesn’t necessarily make that majority right. In fact, more often than not, it is very wrong.

      Almost 44% of German’s voted for Adolf Hitler in 1933 (five percent more, incidently, more than voted for the Coalition earlier this year), by far the majority of voters. Does that make the decision the German electorate made correct? I hardly think so (although econically it probably was).  I use this example to suggest that Joan’s view is perilously close to Hitler’s own initial policies.

      People forget that the horrors of the Holocaust, being deliberate genocide, only became formal policy of the Nazi’s after the war began. In fact, it was only in 1941 that Hitler expressed a view regarding extermination, and it was only following the Wannsee Conference in January 1942 that it became an official and government sanctioned policy. (And before you say it, yes I accept there was widespread brutality and death in the decade preceeding this) The Final Solution was the culmination of years of the Nazi’s forcing undesirables out of the country and refusing entry to anyone that did not conform with their view of whom their citizens should include.

      Of course, there is the supreme irony that western countries across the planet refused to accept many of the fleeing persecuted, who where in turn returned to Germany to meet their fate. These countries included Australia, just as it does now.

      Whether or not the Nauru policy worked or not or is popular or not is hardly the point. Nor, indeed, is the offshore detention policy, including Christmas Island, in it’s entirety. The question is whether it is morally and humanely right. And it is not.

      Perhaps if refugees where housed in Army barracks type accomodation, rather than gaols, and were allowed supervised freedom of movement within local communities, allowing people to meet, speak with and commicate with them, people like Joan would realise they are not the subversive terrorist, or the zealot determined to destroy Australia’s lifestyle and culture from within, but desparate and terrified people searching for a peaceful sanctuary for their family and for themselves.

      Do not each and every one of us desire the same?

    • solution this says:

      12:19pm | 18/12/10

      Hi Joan
      Just sinking their boat when intercepted and letting them drown would work as well.
      That would stop the boats and put the people smugglers out of business. I suggest the xenophobic Australians like yourself really don’t care what happens to these asylum seekers, as long as they don’t come here.

    • Greg says:

      11:08pm | 18/12/10

      Redman wins the Godwin’s Law award.

    • Southern Very Cross says:

      07:17am | 18/12/10

      What is needed is an independent enquiry into the UNHCR 1951 Convention and the 1967 Protocol which takes away Australia’s rights as to who can be accepted into this country.  These outdated resolutions whould be revoked and reviewed or at least change our laws so we are not blackmailed by a UN which has had most of its’ teeth removed anyway.

    • BK says:

      10:05am | 18/12/10

      Absolutely! The Australian government alone should decide who will be admitted and should find the most disavantaged people possible. The UN seems to have broadened the definition of a refugee too far.

    • marley says:

      11:36am | 18/12/10

      Southern Very and BK - we signed the Convention and Protocol voluntarily, and agreed to its terms.  Those terms, including the definition of a “refugee” haven’t changed in 60 years.  No one, certainly not the UN, has “broadened” it by so much as a comma.  And when it comes to asylum seekers, whether boat or air arrivals, we decide who is a refugee and who is not - the UNHCR might be an advocate for refugees, but it isn’t a decision-maker for people on Australian territory.  Only Australia has that legal authority.

    • Greg says:

      11:00pm | 18/12/10

      Speak for yourself Marley. I didn’t sign the Convention or agree to its terms. I didn’t vote for anybody who said that they would do this either. I don’t think that any party has even campaigned on the issue.

      What we need is a referendum on whether we should withdraw from this Convention, to find out once and for all what the people want.

      Bring it on.

    • Tom says:

      07:32pm | 20/12/10

      Isn’t is amazing how fawning the left are to the UN which has time and time again shown itself to be corrupt body, highjacked by homicidal butchers and tyrants of the worst kind. It is almost as if an appeal to a higher authority outweighs all common sense in their minds.

      Time to give this parasitic, corrupt body the flick, let them know this is Australia so bugger off.

    • mervyn ford says:

      07:21am | 18/12/10

      Gillard must have washed the blood off her hands before the above picture was taken.

    • Seano says:

      03:47pm | 18/12/10

      If there’s blood on Gillard’s hands then there’s blood on Howard’s too. You clowns need to get new propoganda.

    • scaper... says:

      12:23pm | 19/12/10

      Seano, so because Howard allegedly has blood on his hands it excuses Gillard? Howard is gone so your argument holds no weight whatsoever.

      If you are the same Seano that was at Tim’s I suggest you Google Gutter Trash and Cafe Whispers, your comrades are there.

    • Seano says:

      03:26pm | 19/12/10

      Talk about comprehension fail scraper. That’s not what I said at all. I’m point out the definition of “blood on their hands” is so selectively subjective it’s bullshit and meaningless.

      Abbott wont stop the boats any more than Gillard will because these people are desperate. Both sides should be looking at ways to process these people of shore so they don’t take these incredible risks. The people trying to score points off this issue are sick, sad and should be ashamed.

      PS. I generally find suggestions from the loony right are meaningless too.

    • Peter says:

      04:12pm | 19/12/10

      Seano - desperate alright, desperate to get here before the change of Government.

    • Seano says:

      06:40pm | 19/12/10

      @Peter - not all the bodies have been found and you make that comment. People don’t risk their children for trivial reasons. You should be ashamed.

    • Catching up says:

      07:22am | 18/12/10

      Why should we believe what Mr. Abbott said over PM Gillard.  After all he does have a history of not listening and being careless with the truth.
      We must he doing the right thing since the 1950’s concerning security checks.  Millions of refugees and migrants have come to this country without any or at the, most little harm to us.  It would not make sense for terrorists and criminals to come by this route where they face uncertainty and intense security checks.  These types of people would have the expertise and ability to jump on a plane with false papers.  I think it is time for this government to grab the nettle and do what is right for the community and the refugees. The time for attempting to please everyone is long past.  Premier Bligh has opened the door for Labor to develop new policies.  If they do this, I am sure the outcry would be enormous but I would hope there were enough decent people willing to voice their opinions and give support.  We are spending millions of dollars and destroying our reputation as a fair nation with little success.  At the end of the day, our limited resources should be used to assist people in our immediate region.  These are mainly those stranded in Indonesia.  We would get brownie points from helping Indonesia with their problems of refugees that would do no harm.  It is true that most of the refugees there come from the countries we have armed forces in, making us responsible for their well being. The refugees would have a queue they can join.  We would no longer need detention camps on the scale we have now.  The millions of dollars saved to go towards assessing and settling these people.  We should legislate that any refugee that came from boat, no matter how long they spend in this country will be given a permanent visa.  According to the media, Labor is between a rock and a hard place.  That does not mean that they have to go further down the path of the Howard governments cruel and unfair policies.  I am not sure that when PM Keating set up the detention centres, he envisage them being used the way PM Howard did.  There is no reason after initial checks that these people could not live in the community, as those who come be air do.  My observations over fifty years are that the children of migrants are more likely to strive hard for a good education and to become exceptional members of our community and workforce. Labor has no choice in this matter.  It needs to take radical action to solve the problem.  Making the necessary changes will not be the soft option, as Australians have closed their minds on this issue and it will be hard to educate them to the facts about refugees and our moral obligations, that is there are not many and we can cope with those who come.  The only way to stop the boats is for the refugees to have some hope.  I am concerned that we still have people coming from Iraq and Afghan. What is the government doing to ensure these countries are safe for these people?  After all, we do have troops in the region, who were supposed to make their lives safer. I firmly believe it was the sinking of the SIEV X and the lost of hundreds of lives the halted the tide of the boats before.  I am hoping that this disaster leads to a complete turn about in how we accept and treat refugees. We gain as much as they do by inviting them in.  Yes, there are short-term problems. Over time, they appear to evaporate.

    • Tracker says:

      09:42am | 18/12/10

      @Catching up, do you honestly believe your dribble ? If so, you have well and truly been conned. Refugees are NOT the issue. Queue Jumpers using illegal and corrupt methods to gain entry to this country without earning it are and any decent Australian doesn’t like people jumping in front of other more worthy people in UN refugee camps who have done the right thing.. and the part that really pisses me off is these queue jumpers are paying for and using the services of people smugglers who in turn are paying off these precious Indonesian authorities and Julia Gillard and her band of thieves keep handing Indonesia more money to promote this criminal enterprise and so the corrupt circle goes. As for Australia gaining by inviting them in ? Yes, we gain more people on welfare, more fundamentalist religious loonies, more crime, more taxes and less of our own cultural/religious events because we “may” hurt some precious immigrants feelings. And what does the ALP and Greens get out of this ? More precious votes so they can well and truly screw us. F*ck the lot of them as far as I am concerned and in particular that dog Gillard. Thank God this country uses ballots and not bullets but with the garbage we are importing that will change in time. Then we have a problem. Oh…. and I am so upset I don’t get what I want I am going to riot, or hang myself, or jump off a building, or sew my lips shut or maybe just go on a hunger strike. These boat people have taught me well and are really contributing to society so perhaps you are correct…..not.

    • Colin J Ely says:

      09:55am | 18/12/10

      Catching Up, I must have missed it on the news when Julia Gillard announced that we were sending troops to Iran and Sri Lanka? wink

      Australians DO NOT WANT boatloads of ‘refugees’ arriving on our doorstep! The government sets the numbers of migrants and from what category they should come from. We would perhaps have more sympathy for an increase in migration if our governments stopped wasting money on bribes to get onto the UN Security Council and largesse to countries to which we have no ties and things like the NBN and desalination plants and instead spent it on improved infrastructure such as rail, roads and dams and had got value for OUR money with the BER. BTW, try to emigrate to some countries in our region as a legitimate migrant, best of luck if you are not born there!

    • The Redman says:

      12:42pm | 18/12/10

      Colin, I’m an 8th generation Australian, and I couldn’t care less how many refugees arrive in this country by boat.

    • John L says:

      08:49pm | 18/12/10

      One flaw in your argument. They are not refugees. They are illegal would-be economic immigrants. These queue jumpers act against the interests of genuine refugees.

    • Greg says:

      11:12pm | 18/12/10

      Guess what Redman, it’s not all about you.

      In a democracy, everybody is supposed to have an input. Let’s have a referendum on whether we should withdraw fron the UN Convention on refugees.

    • Dorothy says:

      12:57pm | 20/12/10

      @Catching Up: Are you for real. The Nauru solution worked brilliantly. Many true refugees got their permit to become Australians, & there were just as many who were not accepted. I live in the Moreland in Melbourne & we have a diverse cultural make-up that adds colour & excitement to our area. Many of my neighbors are from Iraq, India, Afghanistan & the African continent. Some came as refugees, others came after gaining permission because of their qualifications.  All of them were legal entries. They ALL believe that the borders of this country must be protected because of the illegals who are pushing themselves to the front of the line whilst thousands of others languish in camps waiting to be accepted.  Did you know that America hunts down illegals from Mexico & South America, & returns them to their counties with no chance of appeal?? Finally, have you been to Engalnd recently?? Because if you had you would see what a basket case the place is because of uncontrolled immigration.  I want to say something about our senior citizens. These are the people who worked their butts off to build this country & they paid high taxes with few deductions available. They had no hand-outs from the governments & lived humble lives which were at times very hard. And now in their old age they are expected to live on $370 a week whilst many many millions of dollars is spent on the illegals. Do you think this is fair??

    • Jill says:

      07:49am | 18/12/10

      When will Julia Gillard discard her L plates and trainer wheels (being committees and inquiries)  it’s time for Prime Minister plates?

    • thatmosis says:

      08:10am | 18/12/10

      The Labor party has shown over the last 3 and a bit years that Morals are a thing they have very little of.  This Government would let people die and climb in to bed with the devil to stay in power. Now its the Illegals that have paid the price for labors failures whilst before it was ordinary Australian losing lives and homes, next it will be the pensioner and lower paid that will pay the price as their policies send Australians and Australia broke. If the Howard Solution, yes the vilified policy, you know the one that worked, had been kept this tragic accident would not have happened as would the lives of others who have tried and foundered. Morals, ha, what a laugh, most labor politicians wouldn’t know the meaning of the word. Every labor politician and the people who voted for them have blood on their hands along with the bleeding heart Greens and their voters who also encouraged this policy.

    • Bob says:

      08:22am | 18/12/10

      Sick of hearing Journalist and media screaming “dog whistle” every time the Opposition open their mouths! At least they have a policy and a policy that has worked in the past! They have the courage to stick with their border protection policy and take the hits from people like you Mark Kenny and others. I know who the dog whistler is and it’s not Abbott or the Coalition mate.

    • Greg says:

      11:16pm | 18/12/10

      Well said Bob.

      And journalists wonder why they are always ranked alongside politicians at the bottom of every public survey of integrity and honour. Both “professions” earn their living by distorting the truth.

    • yofussn says:

      08:28am | 18/12/10

      Could there be some small measure of truth in the saying-  sometimes you just have to be cruel to be kind-  put all boat arrivals back on a safe boat & send them back to where they came from , would this not put an immediate stop to the current boat people asylum seeker overload problem. Why do people insist on wanting to call Aus home?  as most people here struggling to make ends meet know full well how this country has become one of if not the most unaffordable places in the world in which to live!

    • Mouse says:

      05:46pm | 18/12/10

      @yofussn - they want to call Australia home because, if they come by boat,  they are assumed to be persecuted and desperate. The fact that they pay the people smugglers huge amounts of money for the trip appears to be irrelevant.  This government will take them in, no questions asked, give them a home, money, medical, education, everything they want! Geez, schools will even stop Christmas celebrations so their kids don’t feel “different”.  Aren’t we wonderful!!  You are right when you say about it getting harder to make ends meet, for Australians anyway. I suppose all our taxes, levies, fees, rates (and probably soon the GST) will have to rise so we can afford to pay for this. This is only the beginning,  the boat numbers keep increasing.  Soon it will be open door to all. God help us!

    • Andy says:

      08:41am | 18/12/10

      Labor’s folly is directly related to the fact that it wants to be all things to all people.
      Gillard has been oversold as a political force. The media has failed to offer any real scrutiny of her facile, patronising, shallow approach. And like Rudd, she has been emboldened by this lack of public accountability, to the point where she obviously feels she can change political tack on a whim, without any public consequence.
      The whole point of this issue about boat arrivals, is the contradictory approach Labor, with Gillard as deputy, now PM has taken on it. From the very moment Rudd made a deliberate show of winding back immigration laws that proved to be an effective deterrent, the move was downplayed by Labor as insignificant when the opposite is true. Now we are dealing with the human consequences of yet another failed policy. Everybody knows the only way to stop people risking their lives in this way is to remove the incentive, but for Labor this would be unthinkable. That is why we’ve been subject to all manner of half-baked alternatives, while Labor desperately scrambles to appear to be “controlling” the runaway train of it’s own making.
      It’s interesting to note the mobilisation of the left, as they try to turn this issue into a humanitarian one, when it is clearly one of mismanagement on a grand, and now very tragic scale.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      11:18am | 18/12/10

      Labors problems are laid bare in your post. They can spin it (lie) any way they like but what you have said are the facts.

    • Cameron says:

      08:54am | 18/12/10

      I wonder if the refugee advocates would be interested in privately funding the costs associated with illegal boat people?  In other words would refugee advocates still be interested in their plight if all Government funding was withdrawn and they have to foot the bill.  Yes we would still have customs and Navy patrols and everything else that is currently in place but 100% of the cost would have to be paid for by private donations.  Additionally they would also be required to pay for all costs such as Centrelink payments, Medicare, Accommodation, Interpreters etc etc.

      Watch the left wing bleeding hearts in this country run for cover just like rats up a drain pipe if they have to directly foot the bill.  Put your money where your mouths are supporters of the Greens and the Australian Lying Party!
      Show us all how philanthropic and morally superior to us you all are.  Heck I wouldn’t care if we allowed 100,000+ refugees in per year as long as I don’t have to pay.

    • Jordan Rastrick says:

      01:47pm | 18/12/10

      If I get the taxes the refugees end up paying, I’d be more than happy to invest in all those costs.

      Where do I sign up?

    • Cameron says:

      05:48pm | 18/12/10

      I’ll hand it to you Jordan.  For a minute there I thought you had me.  I was just about to say touché.  Then I thought it’s all a bit like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

      These illegal boat people will probably end up going straight onto Centrelink after a short while.  Therefore any taxes that they do pay will just be coming out of their Government pensions anyway.  Really that’s just a form of recycling money i.e. Government pays them Centrelink and then they pay the Government taxes and then repeat.

      Do you still want to sign up?

    • Joan says:

      09:03am | 18/12/10

      Why are the Afghani and Iraqi men taking their families on such dangerous perilous adventures - a journey no safer than their homeland with sudden death a more likely outcome? They should all stay at home and make their countries a safe place .,,,, isn’t dying for a noble quest in your country a greater benefit to you , your family, your country than than dying running away ?  If they need to run away they can seek haven in Malaysia or Indonesia… the people there are more like minded in every way.

    • The Redman says:

      11:53am | 18/12/10

      Wouldn’t you think that the very danger men, women and children face when making this voyage gives you some indication of the mortal danger they are clearly fleeing from in their own country? And how could being dead be of benefit to anyone, particularly the dead person? How can a family benefit from their members being dead? The Taliban would tell you that it is they that are dying for a noble cause, so a “noble cause” is in the eye of the beholder, wouldn’t you say? The definition of a terrorist depends on which end of the gun you are standing. And for the record, I don’t think anyone dying in Afghanistan is dying for a noble cause, whatever that might be. It is an ignoble war for starters, as was Iraq. Are you saying that you and your family would all die rather than doing anything it takes to save your children, your wife and yourself? I’m grateful that pure chance gave me the opportunity to live in a largely peaceful (though often ignorant) country, but I can tell you that I love my wife and children far more than I love my country, and if I had to flee my country of birth to protect them, I’d do so without a seconds hesitation and without a backward look.

    • Drunk Guy says:

      09:17am | 18/12/10

      Now that some of the truth has come out to us poor dumb c#%&s in the public, thanks to Wikileaks, about the plotting and planning that went on for months before Gillard’s impetuous overnight coup that saw a glib churlish PM who spent more time travelling and in awe of his own splendour, thrown out like something that just fell out of a dog’s bum, It’s quite obvious that precisely as they accused the now opposition of doing, just opposing everything for the sake of it, they are doing in return particularly with regards to the Boat people.

      I agree with other posters that it is indeed Oakshot and Windsor and Bandt especially, who have the blood of the last tragedy on their hands, their grandstanding on gay marriage has overshadowed real life and death issues like immigration by refugees all for the sake of trying to get votes from a sector of the community by handing them what effectively is a bag of sweets.

      When Australia grows up and accepts its’ popularity as a destination for refugees and other immigrants and actually goes offshore and sets up processing in the refugee camps and allows real refugee status to be ascertained without having to detain people or dehumanise the process we might be able to have more meaningful dialog about boat the state of our population, this countries ability to sustain growth (look at last years where 4 capital cities almost ran out of water) and how we make policy for what criteria is acceptable for direct and immediate immigration of refugees.

    • Debbie says:

      09:39am | 18/12/10

      TPV .. come in the backdoor uninvited and the most you get is a TPV .. why can’t the Labor party realise this is part of the solution .. oh thats right .. its Liberal party policy so they must oppose it.

    • marley says:

      11:39am | 18/12/10

      Well, it didn’t work before, so why should it work in the future?

    • Debbie says:

      03:55pm | 18/12/10

      I thought it did work .. my understanding is that the number of boat arrivals dropped significantly when TPV’s were all that was on offer.

    • yofussn says:

      09:43am | 18/12/10

      Stop fighting other peoples wars in other peoples countries then there would be no need for displaced peoples to seek the need to lob themselves in others laps, bloody well get out of the rediculous habit of jumping into Americas warmongering ways as though that is the the only way to go,  take a leaf out of the Swiss book & remain entirely neutral so as mostly to make those that regard war as the answer to swallow their own quagmire.of endless bloodshed.

    • John says:

      09:54am | 18/12/10

      Mark what is “bellicose"about the truth?
      You are just anti the opposition even in the face of the disasterous consequences which was warned against by the opposition over and over again.
      When are you reporters going to wake up to this useless Gillard?

    • nosthow says:

      10:00am | 18/12/10

      And well may the weak Opposition led by the weakest leader they have had in living memory Mark, “blow the whistle on Asylum Seekers”. The Opposition completely bankrupt on Policies and Vision for Australia’s future will seize on anything to try to propel themselves forward to the electorate as winners - but they are losers as well all know dont we folks !! Little Johnny Howard gutlessly used Asylum Seekers to his own ends to focus the electorate away from the fact he also had no Policies or Visiion for Australias future - and it worked for a while anyway till the voters woke up they had a dud on board and not only dismissed his government but also made Howard only the 2nd PM in history to lose his own seat ! Now Abbott, totally stuffed himself and knowing time is running out before the Greg Hunt machine runs over him seizes on tragic deaths of Asylum Seekers to advance his own profile ! Gutless and weak is Abbott and gutless and weak are the sorry band of Howard has beens that follow this wretch of a leader Abbott !

    • Ron E Coote says:

      11:14am | 18/12/10

      nosthow, last time I looked the government were in charge of running the country.
      How proud are you of how Gillard has flim-flammed her way from pre-election pandering to the fears of the South-western Sydney electorates she needed to capture to eventually cobble together a minority government, to making up another ad hoc committe about what we should all do about a problem of Labor’s own making on Christmas Island?
      Typically the Labor sycophants would prefer to completely ignore the failures of their own government in order to make snide remarks about those not actually in power.
      How absurd.

    • Colmac says:

      11:25am | 18/12/10

      Yawn

    • Levi says:

      12:41pm | 18/12/10

      yet again nosthow, ignoring the Labors’ complete incompetence to go on some bull$h!t rant about Tony Abbott and the opposition. The Coalition have more balls and better policies and deep down you know it. Get a life you Labor fanboy

    • Likes Joining Dots says:

      03:18pm | 18/12/10

      nosthow,  relax man, Gillard is at the helm now and all is well.

      As for your other points, well ... Google must be broken it just refuses to show me the first Australian Prime Minister sacked in his first term by his own party.

      gotta zip now.

    • nosthow says:

      03:27pm | 18/12/10

      Nosthow loves the squeal of Rednecks on a warm QLD afternoon - whhhweeeeeeeeeeee ! hahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    • Keith Hammersmith says:

      06:23am | 19/12/10

      And to put things in context, a quote from Nosthows beloved leader, when she was in opposition,
      “Every boat that gets through represents a failure of policy”

      funny she hasnt mentioned that quote in a while

    • Pete says:

      10:02am | 18/12/10

      By using the phrase “the immorality of demonising the world’s most dispossessed” you automatically fall into that polarising, and ultimately diminishing group of people who can’t help but package up the issue to suit your own soppy, intellectually lazy ends. You can be compassionate and highly anti-boat arrivals at the same time eg. send boat people back, and take twice as many from the camps. If number of people killed is the measure then this approach is superior. However, if you’re one of those people who ignores all suffering until you can actually see it and touch it, you’ll fall for the current disastrous approach. Like I said, it’s intellectually lazy thinking.

    • PolyWatcher says:

      10:05am | 18/12/10

      She’s not a liar.  She is a blatant liar!!!  How can we believe anything she says.

    • The Redman says:

      12:44pm | 18/12/10

      How? What has she lied about? Where’s you proof? Not like good old Honest John Howard, a man that made straight faced lieing an arform.

    • Anthony of WA says:

      03:49pm | 18/12/10

      Redman, pull your head out, Carbon tax, Mining tax, Timor procesing centre, I could go on with a list of lies

    • The Redman says:

      08:56am | 19/12/10

      Carbon tax was blocked by the Coalition in the Senate, Anthony, so that is hardly a lie by Gillard. Timor processing centre was not a lie. It was floated as policy. Where has she lied here? Where is your list? Now, if I were to list the lies Howard told I’d be here all day.

    • Mouse says:

      02:46pm | 19/12/10

      Mr Redman -  Carbon tax was “yes we will have a carbon tax”, “we will not bring in a carbon tax”,  “we will look at a carbon tax”,  “we will form a committee to see about a carbon tax”, we must have a carbon tax”  all in a very distinctive nasal drawl.  Are you confused? I sure as hell am.
      East Timor? Oh, that’s right, the processing centre that the East Timorese didn’t know anything about. Floated as policy? But I am sure she was going to tell them about her vision soon.
      RSPT, then the hastily concocted MRRT. Didn’t she tell the Big 3 about future state royalties? Really? Ooooops!
      Assange, hung out to dry because what he did was illegal! She should know, she is a lawyer! Oh, maybe not. He didn’t have a bad back, not quite up with that other type of law then, Sorry!  But that wasn’t a lie was it, just a case of foot in mouth.
      There is not enough time this year to discuss all the lies, half truths, back flips, misunderstandings, misquotes, etc, that have come from the Labor camp. So for the sake of a day, I am quite happy to listen to the list of lies told by a PM that hasn’t been in power for longer than 3 years.
      The floor is yours!

    • john says:

      10:13am | 18/12/10

      Hang on a minute why is it our fault that these people cant build a decent country were they come from to live in, jump in a boat that you would not even get money from a wrecker for, sail sees that Jessica Watson near drowned in her million dollar dingy and it becomes any one persons fault here in Australia when it sinks. Its all very sad when these things happen but when does there stupidity become our fault. There is no pointing at anyone here if its one persons fault here then its all our fault.

    • kevin hopley says:

      10:39am | 18/12/10

      Not up to it ,she should go back to Slater and Gordon

    • john says:

      04:07pm | 18/12/10

      she would make more money

    • tommy says:

      10:45am | 18/12/10

      when you dont get from santa what you want,  i expect the liberals will blame our JULIA. she is still the preferred PM. all this blame game gets us nowhere.using a tragedy for political point scoring against a PM is a bit much. the sad part is the liberals see this accident as an opportunity.  shame on you.

    • Drunk Guy says:

      11:26am | 18/12/10

      Well, sorry, no they don’t, they see it as a tragedy, and they realise that it could have happened no matter what policy was in force in the day it occurred. However they hasten to also point out that while they were on watch their policy made the task of our military and coast watch a lot easier or at least manageable so that this type of tragedy would have had almost no chance of happening.

      Unfortunately those who vote and believe in the two party system or in other words reject the emergencs of new parties, are the reason we have Government and Opposition and therefore that it will be the sole job of the opposition to make the public aware of the mistakes the government makes. This has been coming ever since Gillard formed this version of government and you can hardly expect the opposition who at least had managed the issue not to say “I told you so”

    • The Redman says:

      12:34pm | 18/12/10

      “However they hasten to also point out that while they were on watch their policy…this type of tragedy would have had almost no chance of happening.”

      Really Drunk Guy? If you’re referring to the Howard Government, you’ve got to be kidding. Remeber SIEV X and the small matter of 350+ men, women and children drowned? Remeber the Tampa rescuing 400+ drowning refugees only to be refused entry to Australian ports while their human cargo cooked above deck? Remember Howard barefaced lieing straight at the camera as he accused refugees of throwing their children into the water to force rescue? History entirely destroys your argument.

      As to the manner in which the electorate votes, it is hardly and endorsement for the policies of the Coalition, at least not in the last election. I am sure that Coalition supporters would have it otherwise, and claim that the swing against the ALP makes the Coalition policy on this issue the more legitimate. Alas, for them at least, the facts also make folly of this claim.

      In the primary vote, the ALP suffered a swing of some 5.4%. Of this swing, the Liberal Party picked up less than 0.8 further support over the 2007 vote, while The Nationals gained 0.6%. The fact remains that the swing against the ALP regarding the primary vote was further to the left, not further to the right. The Greens gained almost 4%, so the claim that the election result suported a harsher regime regarding asylum seekers is made a mockery by the facts.

      Much like most of the claims made by the right.

    • Charles says:

      05:16pm | 18/12/10

      Yes Redman, Siev X was one of the reasons why John Howard put his ‘inhumane’ policies in place so it wouldn’t happen again, and it didn’t.

      Your recall of history is flawed by your lack of sense of who is right and and who is wrong in this issue.  Tip:  Julia Gillard is not the solution, she is the problem.

    • David says:

      11:12am | 18/12/10

      From the comments to this article, it is clear the right don’t care about the welfare of boat people. They are more concerned that they are ‘queue jumpers’ and are coming hear to collect the dole. So it is pretty sickening when they pretend to be outraged or sad over their death, for some sort of political point scoring.

    • Phil says:

      11:59am | 19/12/10

      David What is your alternative?
      Do you agree with the current policies?
      Do you think they helped contribute to the accident during the week?
      How much are you prepared to pay extra to have unlimited refugees come into Australia?
      If and when the unlimited policy fails are you and your lefty mates prepared to accept full responsability including paying compensation?
      Surely you dont agree that all previous refugees have come and lives in complete harmony with the Australian people.

    • acotrel says:

      08:27pm | 20/12/10

      ’ Remeber SIEV X and the small matter of 350+ men, women and children drowned? Remeber the Tampa rescuing 400+ drowning refugees only to be refused entry to Australian ports while their human cargo cooked above deck? Remember Howard barefaced lieing straight at the camera as he accused refugees of throwing their children into the water to force rescue? History entirely destroys your argument.’

      You can’t blame Howard for these minor aberrations.  Even the most benign dictator stuffs up sometimes! Anyway Howard will be vindicated when we get back to using Nauru again!

    • Anderson says:

      11:21am | 18/12/10

      There were bodies still in the water below the cliffs of Christmas Island on Wednesday when the blame game began.

      Fangs bared, the mongrels of the loony right blogosphere went for the jugular. With political points to be scored, truth and decency were left vomiting up blood in the gutter.

      The tragedy was all the government’s fault.  ‘‘Blood on their hands,’’ yelled Melbourne’s serial idiot, Andrew Bolt of the Murdoch Herald Sun. ‘‘Resign, Julia.’‘

      Bolt’s equally offensive Sydney counterpart, Tim Blair of the Daily Telegraph, was on the same hymn sheet. ‘‘Weakness kills,’’ shrilled the headline of his rant. ‘‘Labor’s softened policy on asylum seekers was supposed to be more humane. How, exactly?’‘

      The selective cynicism is despicable, the hypocrisy disgusting. It doesn’t get much nastier than to employ the death of innocents as a political weapon.

      These tabloid dog-whistlers, their radio shock jock mates, and their carefully selected band of blog commenters still pretend there was no systematic cruelty in the Howard years, although hundreds of children were left to rot behind the razor wire year after year. Meanwhile, more than one legitimate Australian resident was locked up, on the whim of minor immigration officials, despite blisteringly obvious mental illness. And then there was Dr Haneef, royally stitched up and held without charge by grossly incompetent Liberal Ministers.

      And this ravening pack of devious mongrels never call Howard to account for the loss of 353 people in the “SIEV X” tragedy of 2001.

      Expect more dishonest nastiness when the immediate horror of Christmas Island fades. Soon enough the lying drones of the Opposition will return to their well-worn cant, the lie that Labor opened refugee floodgates.

      Abbott will once again rage and bluster that a Coalition government would “turn back the boats”. Never explaining how. Should the Navy just shoot them if they keep on coming, Abbott? He won’t say. He can’t say. He can’t do it.

      If this sleaze wasn’t bad enough,  Thursday’s WikiLeaks cables finally blew the lid off the whole Liberal sham. American diplomats in Canberra reported that a ‘‘key Liberal Party strategist’’ told them last year that the refugee issue was ‘‘fantastic’’ for the Opposition. ‘‘The more boats that come the better,’’ he was quoted as saying.

      So much for all the crocodile tears over the dead, the traumatised, and the truth.

      Liberal Party Australia - all the lies you can swallow.

    • The Drover says:

      11:41am | 18/12/10

      Very original, lifted straight from lefty Carltons column in the SMH. Unable to think up something yourself?

    • Jane says:

      12:00pm | 18/12/10

      Can’t find anywhere in your post an example of lies from the Liberal Party Australia? The quotes you provide above aren’t from the Libs. As for lies, well ummm look no further than Ms Gillard. I’m sure your aware of them, I don’t have the time to sit here and put them all down for you but I’ll give you one “there will be no carbon tax under a Government I lead”.

    • scaper... says:

      12:30pm | 18/12/10

      Yeah, really original!

      If it was the Liberals in government the lefty hounds of dubious breeding would be howling for blood. The hypocricy is absolutely astounding.

      Just PC bullshit in an attempt to shut down free speech!

    • The Redman says:

      12:35pm | 18/12/10

      Unlike the right, Drover, who do nothing but regurtitate the views of the likes of Akerman and Bolt, right?

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      01:52pm | 18/12/10

      Anderson old chum, the SEIV X wasn’t in our waters whereas the boat that foundered on Christmas Island was. Just ask yourself several questions, even though they knew thr boat left Indonesia why wasn’t the navy/custom tracking it. How did it get so close to the island to hit it, yet navy/cusoms didn’t know it was there for over 1 1/2 hrs(just imagine if the boat had been full of armed insurgents) Has Ghoulia diected the navy/customs to only patrol periodically to save money? Fial question, is Ghoulia a worst PM than even Gough Whitlam? ? ?

    • The Redman says:

      05:20pm | 18/12/10

      Bullimore wasn’t in Australian waters, Robert Smissen, and yet the RAN saved him. Neither was the female French sailor who had the same trouble a few years later, whose name escapes me. Neither was Abby Sunderland, which Australian search and rescue helped recover. So are you saying that it is reasonable to rescue good old white folk who undertake stupid risks for sport at the taxpayers expense, but it it perfectly reasonable to allow desparate people fleeing death and destruction to drown based on the fact they are not in Australian waters? By the way, Howard excised Christmas Island from the mainland, so legally the waters surrounding it are not Australian waters. Once again, a right winger who does not do his research.

    • Likes Joining Dots says:

      05:45pm | 18/12/10

      Anderson, sorry to interrupt - just had a call from Kevin, he’d like his hyperbole back.

    • MarK says:

      11:12am | 19/12/10

      Yeh Bolt has been accused of starting the war in Iraq too.

      Really that is all you and Carlton have got?

      Care to justify any of the ALP’s policy? Care to comment on the hundreds that died up to this point that Gillard was denying knowledge of?

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      11:23am | 18/12/10

      Don’t worry, “It’s only a flesh wound”...

    • Expat says:

      11:33am | 18/12/10

      Condolences to the families who have lost loved ones.

      The salivating vultures who couldn’t wait until the corpses were cold before celebrating don’t deserve their forgiveness, or the forgiveness of the families of the 353 people who perished on the SIEV X under the Coalition government. Lest we forget.

    • Kim says:

      03:29pm | 18/12/10

      WHISTLEBLOWER!

    • The Drover says:

      11:36am | 18/12/10

      I wouldnt listen to too much of what Grahaem Richardson the great Labor party moralist says, but if you clowns want to throw open the doors even wider ,you can expect to spend at least the next generation in opposition. Get some morals towards our own downtrodden before preaching to the rest of us about the poor downtrodden asylum seekers who fly half way around the world and pay out $10,000 to boat into Aus. thru the backdoor.

    • Cate P says:

      11:49am | 18/12/10

      Mark Kenny a sad day when a journo can’t distinguish a dog whistle from the plain truth.

    • The Redman says:

      11:56am | 18/12/10

      I originally posted this on Joe Hildebrand’s article earlier today, but that site seems to have moved on, so I’ll post it here, if that’s OK.

      You’ll note that not a single Coalition supporter has even mentioned SIEV X, Tampa or children overboard. Three events that we should all feel very proud of, don’t you think? The ALP, however, is pandering to the right wingers regarding refugees and needs to seriously reconsider offshore detention and, in fact, detention in a facility that is nothing less than a gaol.

      If it is necessary that arrivals by boat must be detained, and I don’t think that is the case, surely army style barracks with some security but with the ability of the refugees for supervised freedom of movement in the local communities would be far better both for them and for the appalling opinions prevelant regarding refugees from war zones that this country itself has helped to create. Perhaps if the average citizen where able to meet, speak and communicate with aslum seekers, they may well see that they aren’t the murdering terrorists or people hoping to subvert and destroy Australia’s lifestyle from within as the right would have us believe, rather than the desperate, terrified people that they in fact are.

      I agree that the policy regarding refugees should be changed, but not in the way most people suggest. The fact is and the fact remains that Abbott’s claim he will stop the boats is a lie. Noone will ever stop the boats while war, revenge, persecution, poverty and death stalks these nations, some of whom are suffering due to the actions of the very Western countries (and their citizens) who continue to demonise asylum seekers.

    • yofussn says:

      11:58am | 18/12/10

      For gods sake look on the bright side & dont keep on sucking up to past & present leadership issues,  we may well need these displaced peoples by virtue of our very own folly of following the American warmonger machine.  People of less socio economic displaced means may be the last hope of our farmers & fisherfolk to actually not be afraid to work up a sweat for the sake of earning their way to a reasonable living standard & the eventual benefit of the country as a whole,  get a bit more real you constantly whingeing whineing had it too good for too long soft pampered lazy Ozees,  oink oink oink ozy ozy ozy yeah right U righteous self ingratuating prigs.

    • Luke says:

      12:19pm | 18/12/10

      Did all you bleeding hearts watch the asylum seeker in Indonesia who’s been waiting two years to be accepted by Australian authorities? He said he watches asylum seekers always flying in and then within days or weeks they are on a boat and off to Australia while he is stuck waiting in Indonesia. And you people are defending the actions of boat people? No queue you all scream, well tell this man in Indonesia that!

    • Harbinger says:

      12:29pm | 18/12/10

      To quote Thatmosis At 8:10 am, “The Labor party has shown over the last 3 and a bit years that Morals are a thing they have very little of.  This Government would let people die and climb in to bed with the devil to stay in power.”
      I’m sorry, I could have mistaken that where you said Labor for Liberal? Hitler also played on the nationalistic xenophobia ticket and did all he could to stymie the Reichstag until he got what he wanted…..head of government.

    • Steve_of_Cornubia says:

      12:43pm | 18/12/10

      Take a good hard look at the poor UK, where for many years, thousands of illegal immigrants have snuck in by truck and boat.  The Labour party actively encouraged it, believing that they were swelling the numbers of Labour voters. Now the annual bill for welfare services exceeds the total income tax collected from working citizens and the country is burdened with so much debt that it could not be repaid even if every single house and flat in the country were sold.

      I was over there recently and stayed near London. When I boarded a bus I was the only caucasion on board and felt like a member of a white minority. Many people I spoke to had difficulty understanding English. I have no problem with race, but it seems that this sudden and overwhelming influx of immigrants is changing everything about the UK - its culture, its future, its way of life - so fast that the very fabric of society is under pressure. The recent riots over increases in university fees is ominous, but perhaps understandable when young people are unable to afford a good education yet, at the same time, unskilled immigrants are making a good living on welfare.

    • john says:

      01:21pm | 18/12/10

      The best solution is for a panel on as a need be basis determine scale/time frames in which some ethnic minorities or groups of people,states, provinces, islands or countries fit the definition of refugee status. Processing centers should be set up in strategic areas of the globe to confirm the status of people claiming to be refugees, then local detention centers on our shores including xmas Island can then be used to assist with re-settlement and adjustment to our society.
      A refugee is not as a simple concept as was after the Vietnam war refugees some quarter of a century ago, in 2010 its a far more complex issue. Haiti for example which has almost been totally destroyed and in a grip of misery, one would think it would be on par with some provinces of Afghanistan in refugee status.
      I don’t think an Iraqi or Iranian person… unless they are being religiously persecuted as such for being christian or hunted for their beliefs should be given the status of refugee, however gay men/women given the death sentences in these type of countries would be refugees regardless of religious beliefs..
      More obviously, kurdish people without a homeland and heavily persecuted by iraq,{especially after the show from suddams biological scuds}, iran, & turkey naturally those still fleeing are refugees.
      In china or asia, just because many of them are poor, it doesn’t mean they are refugees, however if they are persecuted muslim minority chinese and are driven out, perhaps they would be refugees. Palestinians in occupied areas persecuted by their captors in times of war in some closed time frame may become refugees.
      Some pacific Islands might become climate change refugees if their Island become inundated, or if category 5-6 cyclones destroy their homelands completely,may require temporary refugee status until their homeland be rebuilt, with international help and with limited timed visa’s to be able to rebuild from abroad as their base.
      IMHO we really do need to overhaul the area of immigration/refugee statuses and meanings and become more dynamic in an ever faster changing world. The current system is too wishy washy and not specific enough.

      Waiting for your turn to enter this country doesn’t work as those with money are prolonging the misery for those that really do need refugee status, which flies in the face of a key Australian principle of a ’ fair go’. If we stick to this one simple principle then everything we do will fall into place.

    • michael j says:

      01:46pm | 18/12/10

      well as usual i m confused a joint party commite of inquiry is a refusal to commission an inquiry into the Christmas Island tragedy. whatever that means we should go for the cheaper of the two,,,that people from a far away place drowning at sea has something to do with homosexuals getting married is a bit odd,,
      that a member of the oppersation or any politiction would say or even think anything hounorable is very strange,,,,graham richo
      has a very nice boat to take motoring on sydney harbour,,,
      And the biggest fact of all that in a very short time Ms Gillard has proven herself and the faceless men who control her to be absolutly inept at running a goverment,,,

    • DaveS says:

      02:12pm | 18/12/10

      What is this opposition to those who seek asylum shelling out money to get to our shores? Why is it that only poor people should be deserving of our compassion? These are not economic refugees, these are religious and political refugees, refugees from war-torn countries seeking a safe haven away from the nastiness and belligerence of countries shattered by the very intolerance I’m reading here in some of these comments!

      Money doesn’t automatically buy you entry through the front door, let alone the back door. Money is not the issue, yet there seems to be an appalling attitude against anyone trying to get here who might have enough cash to buy passage.

      WWII Europe was filled with refugees fleeing invading armies, political injustice, ethnic cleansing. Many of them had money, and used it to get away. Were they any less deserving than those with little or no money? In our modern day many of the circumstances that drive people from their homes to travel the great distances they do differ little to those of WWII - for example in Afghanistan there are invading armies, there is political injustice AND there is ethnic cleansing - yet there appears to be a very different attitude to receiving these people.

      It is iniquitous to confuse monetary wealth with moral superiority or ethical worth.

    • Charles says:

      05:22pm | 18/12/10

      The problem lies in the fact Dave, that when an illegal immigrant claims they are downtrodden, suppressed, in fear of their lives, etc, etc, in their own country, and then shells out what is effectively about a lifetimes salary for the average citizen of that country, for a boat ride between Indonesia and Oz, then it does not look quite genuine.

      And that is what most reasonable people find disquieting about this farce.

    • MarK says:

      02:39pm | 18/12/10

      Hmmm I reckon she would be gone in March.

      Already she is a rival as the worst PM the country has had.

      East Tomir - internationally embarrassing.
      Banks - OMFG how can you possibly stuff up bashing the banks…idiots
      Mining Tax - not resolved
      Carbon Tax - liar
      Carbon Committee - a laughing stock of a policy
      Cash for Clunkers - ridiculous failed policy elsewhere
      Cost of living - gawd….
      Integrity - shot to the shit , real Julia and carbonn action anyone
      Leadership - she lied says the leeks, Feeney has outed her as having been on the hunt for Rudd
      Boat People - comprehensive fail with catastrophic results

      Nothing from before the election is resolved. It will only get worse. She is not competent. Her people are not competent.

      She is gone. Christmas will be a happy time in the Shorten and Combet houses, maybe elsewhere too. Arbib better get anther mobile from Santa to sort this out. She is terminal.

    • Cameron says:

      07:37pm | 18/12/10

      MarK,

      Just to add to your list don’t forget Gillard said that Julian Assange is a criminal PRE his upcoming court hearings.  Way to go Julia! Hang out one of your citizens to dry.  That’s a pretty foolish thing to do especially for a former Industrial Relations lawyer.  I thought Rudd was bad (which he is/was) but Gillard takes the cake. 

      Maybe Gillard is on a quest to take back the Holy Grail of the worst PM ever which is currently shared between Rudd and the father of modern Australian socialism Whitlam.

    • MarK says:

      11:08am | 19/12/10

      Thanks Cameron.

      Totally agree that my list was no where near exhaustive. Gay marriage could similarly be managed because that will not be an easy issue for her to deal with.

      The main point is her negotiating skills like her general competence have been totally over exaggerated.

      All those issues supposedly put to bed to clear the decks for the election migh have secured Labor a sort of government but they will ultimately destroy he in the end.

      Mining tax - will be nastier for round 2 and shows her lack of attention to detail equally displayed with catastrophic results in the Batt scheme deaths and the hundreds that have died because of her border policies. Labor just cannot think things through or be trusted on delivery.

      Boat people - It is like Rocky Horror. Jumping to the left stepping to the right and never meeting in the middle. Abysmal disgusting duplicitous behaviour. A complete debacle.

      ETS - Plain lied before the election.

      By March she is gone

      Cannot wait for the business case for the NBN. Time is a ticking away for the December deadline.

      There are more hairs on this government than can be credibly fixed.

      Ha. Just remembered - Health. Where is that up to. What the hell has this administration delivered?

    • scaper... says:

      12:14pm | 19/12/10

      I’ll add to the list $174.801B of debt racked up for near nil to show for it.

      The worst government in our history and possibly the last Labor government, well done!

    • Ask a stupid question says:

      12:32am | 20/12/10

      Hilarious, Mark. First you said the Government wasn’t going to be formed, then it wasn’t going to last a week, then a month, then until Xmas, and now until March next year.

    • Levi says:

      02:42pm | 18/12/10

      is anyone else sick of Julia’s phoney, rehearsed “palms outwards for the look of honesty” ploy? She couldnt be honest if she was threatened with pack raped by a bunch of muslims

    • Ex ALP voter says:

      10:16am | 19/12/10

      Shame, failure, humiliation beyond possibilities, micro-mismanager, back stabber, useless are all terms that are carved in stone when we talk about Rudd and Gillard in the future. Such historic legacy is going to haunt them for eternity.

    • Peter R says:

      06:10pm | 18/12/10

      It seems that many of today’s decision are made on being politically correct & not on what is best for the majority of Australians Quote :“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end.”

    • orange says:

      06:14pm | 18/12/10

      Another tragedy loss of human lives, seems its all quite acceptable if their from iran iraq afganistan or where ever…....as long as their not australian…....
      pull your heads in govt and opposition this or any loss of human life is above and should be removed from politics
      Who should we believe wikileaks???????????????  minorities or the chosen few f…....  this country

    • nosthow says:

      06:52pm | 18/12/10

      Interesting to note Mark that Mike Carlton in the SMH has lambasted the Liberals for using once again Asylum Seekers for political gain and poured deserved ridicule over this sad bunch of Rednecks that now run the Liberal Party. I can think of nothing worse for Australia than a government led by Abbott who brings with him no policies, no vision for Australia’s future ad no answers whatsoever re the pressing matters of Climate Change etc. Tony Abbott if he ever came to government would be devastating for Australia setting us back 40 years and making Australia the laughing stock of the world. Lets hope for Australias sake that day NEVER arrives !

    • The Drover. says:

      08:24pm | 18/12/10

      Yeah, bit like your ludicrous posts.

    • Ron E Coote says:

      09:03pm | 18/12/10

      Carlton having a crack at the Liberals. There’s something you don’t see everyday. Good one, knackers.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      10:58pm | 18/12/10

      If Tony Abbott had become PM as most of the voters of Oz wanted we would be in a far better place than we are now & drunken trawler of strip joints wouldn’t be our foreign minister making Oz a joke in Asia & throughout the world.

    • jb says:

      04:12am | 19/12/10

      hahahhaaahahahhaaa, oh my you bitter little man TA is not in Govt and you can barely say Gillards name in your posts, all you actually ever do is convince the swing voter here that a vote for labor is a vote for nosthow and they are pissed about that buddy, hehehehe oh how you carry so much hate…
      I love you, what you are doing for the Libs credit is priceless man, absolutely priceless.

    • Black ops says:

      07:27am | 19/12/10

      Agree totally nosthow, the current Labor Government are doing a fantastic job of sending us backwards all by themselves as it is.  Lets hope the Liberals don’t get in to take that mantle off Labor.

    • ML says:

      02:09am | 19/12/10

      January, 2009, at least nine people drown off the Indonesian island of Rote

        April, 2009, nine more bodies are fished out of the South China Sea, near Pengerang.

        April, 2009, Afghan boat people blow up their own vessel at Ashmore Reef, killing five

        May, 2009, another boat sinks off Halang Island, and 19 Afghans drown

        October, 2009, a ship carrying 100 asylum seekers leaves an Indonesian port, bound for Australia, and the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service says it has vanished.

        November, 2009, 12 Sri Lankans drown off Cocos Island when their boat sinks

        May, 2010, five Sri Lankans die off the Cocos Islands when their boat breaks down en route to Australia

        June 2010, 12 more Sri Lankans reportedly drown in Indonesian waters

        June, 2010, Mohammed Taqi, an Afghan in Indonesia, tells the ABC’s 7.30 Report three more people died when his own boat foundered off Kupang, and “I know lots of my friends have died in the sea.”

        December, 2010 Some 50 asylum seekers, believed to be Iranians and Iraqis are killed or drown when their boat crashes into cliffs at Christmas Island in monsoonal weather. These people are believed to have flown from Iran/Iraq to Indonesia before being ferried/bussed to their port of departure on an unseaworthy boat with no safety equipment bar three flimsy lifejackets for the incompetent crew (because no competent mariner would have set out or continued in such manner)

      A reconciliation of known asylums seeker boat departures from Indonesia against known arrivals in Australia reveals a signfificant number of boats with unknown number of passengers are missing at sea.

      There’s your honey pot Mr Rudd and Ms Gillard. Resign.

    • jb says:

      04:33am | 19/12/10

      comon people, it is ridiculous to blame our navy, the good John Howard or the fool Julia Gillard.
      We all know they are coming in these boats, the Indonesians, the Australian govt, everyone involved.
      Give these poor people life jackets and let them try make it to our shores, to be honest I can think of nothing more Australian than giving it a good go but please for the sake of your families try and minimise the risk.
      5k for a boat trip surely another 20 bucks for a life jacket isn’t too much to ask for…

    • Sorf says:

      07:38am | 19/12/10

      Nice re-take on the Carlton piece, Anderson (Anderson says:11:21am | 18/12/10)

      Agree, all looks really rather nasty for the Libs.

      Good to see their “swept under the carpet”  disgraceful fibbing on SIEV X, children overboard, migration nos, refugee nos, poor Haneef and so on,  back under the cold hard light of day.

      And that latest Wikileak ! Pretty well gutted all the Lib handwringing and ranting.

      As for the hipshootin rantin bot-bloggers of the Right, yeah yeah. The best one was that tool raging about “suppressing free speech”! What a hoot!

      Me, I like all opinions based in the cold hard truth. Good on you, Mike Carlton.  And good on you Anderson, too. That’s free speech for you. More, please.

    • Alpha Bet says:

      08:10am | 19/12/10

      Xenophobia is a no no word in Australia but alive and well in all countries from where unauthorised arrivals come from!

    • Billy says:

      08:12am | 19/12/10

      Seano - Absolutely right!

    • Billy says:

      08:27am | 19/12/10

      The Redman - Point taken, but didn’t Bullimore and the French lady have radios and messages were received thereby alerting authorities?

    • Levi says:

      08:45am | 19/12/10

      nosthow, everything you say is deluded. Somehow Gillard has you brainwashed into thinking she is actually doing a good job. Everyone recognises how incompetent she is except for fan boys like you.

      Oh and regarding you comment “Abbott who brings with him no policies, no vision for Australia’s future ad no answers whatsoever re the pressing matters of Climate Change etc.” What exactly has the Labor party done about the “greatest moral challenge” of our time? Yes thats right, NOTHING!.

      I think you might want to examine your beloved Labor party’s lack of vision and direction before you even try to comprehend the Liberal party. I know that might hurt your small brain but just give it a go.

    • nosthow says:

      07:14pm | 19/12/10

      @Levi - and nosthow loves you too little fella. Have you got any fat on you fella ? Nosthow loves to dive with chubbys as the White Pointers go for the fatties ! hahahah Seriously fella I think you are tops !

    • Luke says:

      08:50am | 19/12/10

      Interesting comment from UNHCR - United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees regional representative Richard Towle said large numbers of people now coming through the asylum system in Australia were not refugees and “the challenge is how to find fair and humane and effective ways of allowing them to leave this country to go home”, Fairfax newspapers reported.
      So what is enticing these large numbers of people who aren’t refugees to come here? You always get the impression from the Government and media that all these boat people are refugees fleeing persecution.

    • Muzz says:

      11:30am | 19/12/10

      Imagine the uproar from the bleeding hearts and the Government if Abbott had made a similar comment. Looks like the UNHCR are blowing the “dog whistle”

    • Matthew says:

      10:34am | 19/12/10

      Gillard is an idiot full stop. Looking at the photo I think she would be better off haunting houses for a living instead of scaring the sh$$ out of us with her governmets leadership.

    • Jill says:

      12:32pm | 19/12/10

      Labor should be concerned.
      When the Australian cricket team wasn’t performing too well there were cries for Warnie to return. I think labor should start a campaign to bring back Paul Keeting.  In my opinion, John Faulkner would be the only suitable contender and they haven’t got 7 years for Kochie to prime another Kev.

    • thedon says:

      11:14am | 21/12/10

      You get the ignorance award Mark Kenny.

      If you can’t see that short of sending everyone in this world who would like to come to this country a plane ticket, the opposition could never measure up for you.

      Ask yourself, how do you know these people are more deserving of protection than any of a billion others on this planet, admit it you don’t.

      To you they are self defining as the worlds most dispossessed, you are convinced by their motivation. That doesn’t prove a thing.

      As long as they can find $10,000 or more they cannot be the worlds most dispossessed, because there are many people in refugee camps who cannot put that sort of money together.

      These boat people have the mind of the criminal, the streetsmart swindler and standover man, the chancer, the queue jumper.

      They are aware that what they do is wrong, but do it anyway to force our hand.

      Those that respect Australia and the rule of law are the ones following due process in refugee camps.

      What could be wrong with favouring those who respect us and do what thier told as potential future citizens, over those who show contempt for us and our laws.

      Funny how you can always find a way to convince yourself that there is something wrong with what the opposition is saying, even when all facts and logic prove they are the ones making perfect sense.

 

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