Kevin Rudd has found out the hard way that he is neither Cory Aquino nor Evita Peron. His People’s Power push to regain the prime ministership was tactically flawed from the get go. The numbers bore it out in dramatic style.

All smiles. Photo: Gary Ramage

The vote Rudd received in Caucus was not a springboard for a second tilt at the leadership. It was, you would have to think, the end of his leadership tilt.

As former leader Mark Latham said on Sky yesterday, this wasn’t the Arab Spring. Urging a popular email uprising while also jumping out of bed to yuk it up with Mel and Kochie on Sunrise was never going to win Rudd a vote inside the Caucus. Quite the opposite.

Rudd believed that by urging voters to pester their local MP about the leadership he could harness the public sense of disenfranchisement at 2010’s ham-fisted leadership coup. Wrong. It was only ever going to succeed in angering those MPs and locking them in behind Gillard.

Rudd’s tactics were also undermined by a third factor, and that was the use of an unelected former lobbyist in Bruce Hawker to spearhead his leadership campaign. Hawker is a smart guy who has been on the right side in some 30-odd Labor campaigns over the past two decades, but he has been battered by this process. Rudd was too. The central and obvious flaw was that if Rudd’s pitch was that the party needed to stand up to the faceless men, it seemed curious that he enlisted someone who has never been a member of Parliament, never received a single vote, to run the operation for him.

Politics moves on fast. The public has had an absolute gutful of this stupidity and will have stopped paying much attention to it within 24 hours. The only question which matters now is what happens next.

Labor might have destroyed Kevin Rudd - for all time you would think - but the party still faces electoral destruction.

Most voters prefer Rudd over Gillard as prime minister.  Many of them also prefer Rudd over Abbott as prime minister. Julia Gillard is still prime minister.

The first and most obvious point goes to unity. Labor will be public reassured but privately sceptical about the public reassurances from Kevin Rudd and his supporters that they will now put this behind them. If they do – or more specifically if Rudd does – it will be a 180-degree change of approach. It is impossible to capture in words the unyielding sense of fury which Rudd feels over the circumstances of his removal in 2010. This sense of betrayal is compounded by his conviction – born out by every poll – that he and only he can defeat Tony Abbott, and that there is no way the public will ever hand Julia Gillard a second term after her role in his knifing and her troubled prime ministership leading a minority government.

The one thing which might make Rudd baulk at continuing his destabilisation campaign is the knowledge that he will be seen as the greatest Labor wrecker of all time if he continues. Bob Carr wrote a brief post on his blog yesterday which best captured the grass roots Labor mood.

“If after Julia Gillard’s expected victory today there is a revival of white-anting against her, the whole party will explode with anger…the public reaction against Labor if after today leadership speculation is resumed will be catastrophic.”

Rudd handled himself with great dignity in his concession speech yesterday. He knows that the sentiment Carr describes is a powerful one.  Rudd’s reassurance -  “I bear no grudges, I bear no-one any malice” – was emphatic. Should he resume hostilities these words will come back to haunt him.

The second question is what the public will now think of Gillard given the aggressive manner of her leadership campaign and the decisive nature of her victory.

Many pro-Rudd voters will have been appalled at the personal attacks on Rudd over the past few weeks. Gillard may cop some heat for having presided over this smash-up job. But the more optimistic view is that voters needed to be told why Rudd was removed, why he should not return (although you have to wonder why they didn’t bother telling the public in the first place).

For all this though, it worked. The numbers were brilliant for Gillard. There is now a hope – and it’s a very large hope – that Gillard can emerge from this looking stronger. The Prime Minister has looked and sounded confident over the past seven days. Now that she has such a strong Caucus victory behind her, she might take some of this new confidence as she moves forward, to borrow from her lame 2010 election slogan.

The third and most important point is the one thing which has been absent from this indulgent brawl – policy. This fight was not about policy at all. It was about personality. Voters don’t want juvenile fights. They want to know that the Government is fully focussed on the business of governing. Protecting our borders, smoothing the introduction of the carbon tax, getting the budget back to a legitimate surplus, responding to the school funding report…you know, it would be kind of nice to see them doing some actual work for a change.

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    • Kevoluation says:

      12:24pm | 27/02/12

      At last some clear air. The leadership has been a constant distraction. Now the party, Fairfax and the ABC have the clear air they need to sell the achievements of the Gillard Government to the electorate.

    • Pete says:

      12:44pm | 27/02/12

      Gee, I hope that’s sarc.! I suggest it should be more like ‘sell their decievements’.

    • Steve says:

      12:48pm | 27/02/12

      Fairfax or Fewfax ?

    • Nilbog says:

      12:53pm | 27/02/12

      Problem is no one watches the ABC…

      To cut and paste a Late Show quote/skit:

      Laugher !
      Action !
      Entertainment !
      Forget it !
      You’re on the A B C !

      We’re still number 4,
      we’re still number 4,
      watching our ratings going through the floor,
      we’re the station you just have to ignore, we’re still number 4.
      We’ve got spills and thrills (shot of Songs of Praise) and fresh comedy (shot of Dad’s Army), ground breaking drama (shot of Bananas in Pyjamas) and sport for you and me (shot of lawn bowls competition).

      Still number 4, still number 4, even SBS is knocking on the door.

      We’ve got loads of glamour (shot of sheepdog trials) and celebraties to spare (shot of Don Lane). We’ve got sharp- edged satire (shot of Late Show toilet joke), news and current affairs (shot of news cancellation notice).

      Number 4, number 4, who do you think we barrack for?
      It’s the A B C! It’s the A B C…..!!

      Ah, good times.

    • john says:

      12:54pm | 27/02/12

      @Kevoluation “The leadership has been a constant distraction”

      And will be for some time.  The problem with Labor is that it changes leaders that have been elected whilst in power, like musical chairs.

      The liberals avoid changing their elected leaders whilst in Government. They do it in opposition, hence they sell stability.

      As we edge closer to election Rudd looks more likely for a 2nd challenge.

      Even a margin of 40 the split is 20 ...very obtainable closer to election date if the polls keep looking bad for labor.

    • Jack says:

      12:57pm | 27/02/12

      You can’t “sell” a lie. We voters are waiting to have an election and wipe that smug smile of her lying face.

    • thatmosis says:

      02:15pm | 27/02/12

      ROFL, thats the funniest thing i have read in a long time. Nothing has changed, we still have a leader despised by over 70% of the electorate and a would be leader who is sitting back watching and waiting despite his assurances that its over. We still have a leader who lies and has lied to the public and to members of parliament, we still have a Claytons Government who is about to inflict more pain on the Australian people in the form of a Tax on Nothing that has been shown to be needed to top up the coffers and will do nothing to eleviate the CO2 emmissions of the world, we still have a claytons Government who allows the Unions to ride roughshod over employers and destroy Australian jobs and we still have a claytons Government who is responsible for a debt per person of about $8500 each and climbing daily. The date may have changed but this claytons Government hasnt.

    • ZSRenn says:

      02:51pm | 27/02/12

      I take it as another example of the Labor Government not listening to the people.

      It was loud and clear Gillard will fail 2013.

      Rudd would now be better off to take his supporters, resign and form a new party. At least those 29 will keep their seats come the election and probably will find themselves as the dominant opposition.

    • Mayday says:

      03:01pm | 27/02/12

      The last time there was clean air was after Gillard and co knifed KRudd and she did that by calling an election.

      She needs to follow through and call another election because she and her government have no credibility.

    • Bill of Queensland says:

      03:44pm | 27/02/12

      Changing sales managers will not change snake oil into a wondercure! Labor will be sunk by the iceberg of fundamentally flawed policies combined with staggering incompetence and mendacity! Kevin Rudd was the ineffectual leader during the Ocean Viking fiasco! Julia Gillard participated in the catastrophically costly Building the Education Revolution (BER), insulation and Malaysia solution and also foisted the Carbon Tax on us! Changing leaders will not achieve anything! A CHANGE of GOVERNMENT is the ANSWER!

    • Kato says:

      03:51pm | 28/02/12

      Well well well! It is very hard for some to give credit where is due.  Ms Gillard has done a lot of good, but KR was always behind the scene undermining everything the government was trying to achieve and in turn helping the Liberals.  People have short memories - what about Abbott vs. Turnbull? Costello vs. Howard?  All politicians lie because people want to be lied to - if a politician said the truth no one would believe it anyway!

    • Stockinbingal roo says:

      12:28pm | 27/02/12

      Maybe the media could focus more on each party’s policies etc instead of fanning the flames of political gossip.

    • Mike says:

      02:26pm | 27/02/12

      I agree and disagree at the same time. Policy debate in this country is woefully shallow, partially compounded by Australians’ indifference to governance. However, the office of government and indeed the office of the prime minister should not be treated so contemptibly. Labor does not get to have a salesperson pitch their ideas during elections before swapping that person with someone else. For Gillard to reply to Abbott that he had a leadership challenge as well, shows a great disrespect to the office of PM. Her office is the representative of all Australians, her office is not supposed to be musical chairs and her office is not meant to make us a laughing stock of the international community.

    • Martin says:

      03:17pm | 27/02/12

      Fully agree with you. The media should stop this crap about what will happen next. Who cares. Every political party has a right to chose its leader and the leader has to tow the party line. Just ask Malcolm Turnbull.

    • SimonTigey says:

      09:36pm | 27/02/12

      Stockinbingal roo, Labor can’t talk about policy because they don’t have any, all the policies they are implementing are Greens policies. Kinda hard trying to come up with policy when all you have been, your whole life is a union thug withd no understanding of reality or ethics. Yet Gillard blames Tony Abbott for not releasing his policies mid term so she can steal them and claim then as Labor policy.

      Yeh. mate. bring it on, lets talk about policy!!!

    • Austin 3:16 says:

      12:29pm | 27/02/12

      What now ? They bumble and stumble for as long as they can until an election puts them out of their misery.

    • Rosie says:

      12:49pm | 27/02/12

      What now? In top gear to mislead the public that they have kissed and made after the civil war.

      I am sorry and sad that Kevin Rudd lost as I was so much looking forward to seeing him and his lovely wife become grandparents and his grandchild running around the lawns of the Lodge. His son his getting married, a wedding at the Lodge or perhaps Kiribilli House would have been nice for those of us that cannot be persuaded to ever trust and respect Julia Gillard again.

    • Coop says:

      03:50pm | 27/02/12

      No, No. This is the REAL Labor this time.

      How many faces can these people display in a week?

    • Lola says:

      12:30pm | 27/02/12

      I generally like your articles Penbo, however I clench my teeth every time you confuse ‘which’ and ‘that’, which is quite often.

    • antman says:

      01:37pm | 27/02/12

      I thought it was only me.

    • Rosie says:

      02:10pm | 27/02/12

      Go and get a life!

    • Melle says:

      02:37pm | 27/02/12

      He should know, by now

    • next case 30 days says:

      12:30pm | 27/02/12

      What now?

      Why don’t you saunter over to the Telegraph political desk and ask around what the next project is?

      You are the only ones that know where you will lead the rest of the media pack in pursuit of.

    • VVS says:

      12:55pm | 27/02/12

      Good to be leader though…

    • doug z says:

      01:10pm | 27/02/12

      boo hoo.  Nothing the “hate media” has said about Gillard and Rudd is half as bad as what they and their colleagues said about each other.  Talk about putting the cart before the horse.

    • Against the Man says:

      12:31pm | 27/02/12

      The voters don’t want her. She can’t change that. Liar, carbon tax, CT, border protection etc. She knows it. Now we wait for Rudd to attack, 2 shameful loses to Gillard isn’t going to go down well.

    • JT says:

      12:45pm | 27/02/12

      Agreed. Any one who thinks that was a concession by Rudd has rocks in their head. He barely acknowledged the loss, focused on his achievements, that he has changed, his public support etc. He’ll again sit there in the background biding his time.

      I don’t see how this is a boost for Gillard either. This will simply cement the opinion people have of her that she and the ‘‘faceless’’ men beat twice now the ‘‘popular’’ K Rudd.

    • RBarron says:

      03:17pm | 27/02/12

      Labor got 4,711,363 1st Preferences votes the Coalition 5,365,529 1st Preferences votes.
      So together both parties said that there would be NO CARBON TAX FULLSTOP.
      So together 10,076,892 Voters voted 1st Preferences for parties that said that there would be No Carbon Tax.

      Gillard and Swan are Liars.
      Gillard stole 4,711,363 votes by telling the people that there would be No Carbon Tax under the Government she leads.
      Gillard’s leads the Government so she is a Liar.
      Swan said that “what we rejected is this hysterical allegation that somehow we are moving towards a carbon tax” (Meet the Press, 15 August 2010).
      Swan “We have made our position very clear, we have ruled it out” (7.30 Report, 12 August 2010).
      Gillard just doesn’t get it full stop.
      Whether Gillard like it or NO voter elected her as Prime Minister it was the Independents.
      That is not a democracy when the people that voted didn’t elect a Primer Minister.
      The Independents were not elected to pick the Prime Minister.
      The system needs to be fixed when 10,076,892 Voters voted 1st Preferences for a parties that said that there would be No Carbon Tax.
      At best less than 2 million voted for a Carbon Tax.
      So a ratio 5 to 1 people voted for parties that said that there would be No Carbon Tax.
      Gillard will not return Labor to power!

    • luke09 says:

      04:11pm | 27/02/12

      Atm, It will be interesting to see if the ALP will bother with an election campaign considering PM Julia says one thing and does the opposite. I also wonder how long before the ALP renege on their word of no more leadership challenges until after the next election when it becomes totally obvious they are going to be annihilated and lose a third of their seats?

    • Borderer says:

      08:39am | 28/02/12

      RBarron
      You are correct in that Gillard did not win government in her own right but did so with the support of the independants, that however is the westminster system.
      Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you, Gillard and the rest of the party stopped listening to the people a long time ago, yet they seem upset that we’ve stopped listening to them.
      Next blow will be the March 25 rount in Queensland, Bligh actually asked Gillard to help in her campaign….. I think she must have had a brain snap.

    • Tim the Toolman says:

      12:39pm | 27/02/12

      Oh, who cares.  They’ll continue to squabble like two year olds and continue to waste money on whatever they feel like, regardless of what anyone else thinks.  I makes no difference who the figurehead is.

      Can we have something interesting to read about, please?  The media may as well have been reporting on a love triangle in Neighbours for all the difference it will make to the country.

    • Tanya says:

      12:43pm | 27/02/12

      He is the People’s Princess.

    • ZSRenn says:

      03:09pm | 27/02/12

      It is after all the government elected by the people. Labor have failed to listen to the electorate again.

      Your comment shows such disdain for the voter much like the Labor government when it lies to us.

      Which is often!

    • Pat says:

      04:51pm | 27/02/12

      Julia : Mordica Adams
      Nicola Roxon : Her po- faced daughter who adores, behaving like a toad
      Peter Garrett: Lurch
      Simon Crean: Uncle Festa
      The hand -in -the box : is sign language - on full remote -  from the Party backroom .
      The family dining table : the lid of the Labor party coffin

    • Mattb says:

      08:07pm | 27/02/12

      Sorry pat

      Already did the Adams family thing for abbott and his mates on the punch early last year. Your too late…

    • KimL says:

      12:44pm | 27/02/12

      can’t do much now, but wait and bide our time and get them at the next election by not voting for them, swan looks like the cat swallowed the canary..nasty man and unattractive to boot

    • Martin says:

      03:20pm | 27/02/12

      Kim, every politician is UNPRODUCTIVE.

    • Davy says:

      12:46pm | 27/02/12

      Paragraph 3 really says it all doesnt it David. Rudd mistakingly believed that the will of the people would have some influence on labour MPs.  Well this just about sums up the Labour party doesnt it. Are they interested in what the people think? Apparently not.

    • Cynicised says:

      01:31pm | 27/02/12

      No, they are interested clearly in the business of government, and not in popularity polls, otherwise Kevin would have been reinstated. They now have a job to do, which is to implement the government’s agenda, with a reenergized, confident PM in charge. And government means making tough decisions which are sometimes unpopular. Government by plebiscite is unworkable. I hope Julia continues in the vein she’s shown facing up to this challenge and truly gives Dr No a run for his money. She’s just made mincemeat of him in Question Time. It was fun to watch!

    • antman says:

      01:40pm | 27/02/12

      Davy, my response to this post is the same as my response to your almost identical post in another Punch blog.

    • KH says:

      02:13pm | 27/02/12

      Over the last week it has become patently obvious that Kevin Rudd is like Obama in the US - all rhetoric and popularity - no action.  The number of people who simply refuse to work for Rudd again and the fact that he implemented the sum total of zero whilst he was the PM makes it clear that they [the caucus] have gone for ability to do something rather than the far less useful popularity.  If anything, I am starting to get a whole different thing about Gillard - there are a lot of people who are in the know who have reiterated her ability to get things done, to negotiate - two skills which apparently Rudd lacked. 

      Which leaves me wondering about popularity.  What is the explanation for Rudd’s popularity given he did nothing when he had the chance, and in fact had become the butt of many a joke about doing nothing before he was ousted.  What is it?  He is male so he must be better?  He has better hair?  He speaks chinese?  Really?  You want a leader who can say all the right things but deliver nothing?  I think its kind of pathetic the number of people who sit there and moan about how governments are only looking towards the next election and not the long term bigger picture, then turn around and demand a leader who isn’t worth any more than a few votes in the next election, but will deliver nothing because they lack the skills.  But hey, they are popular right?  That is very funny.

    • jolly says:

      02:16pm | 27/02/12

      Reminds us of Syria and Assard, eh. Shoot the people. Here we ignore the people and indulge in infighting and the current Labor mother gobbles up her own kin. Good heavens, what chance do the rest of us have? Gillard Labor is loooong dead. The people will have their final say at the ballot. That’s what counts ultimately.

    • jolly says:

      02:21pm | 27/02/12

      Cynicised, you must be joking! Spin, spin, spin. That has been the current Labor tactic. Labor has failed us. It is imploding! This Gillard victory will not last. Time they disappeared.

    • Karin says:

      02:36pm | 27/02/12

      “Reminds us of Syria and Assard, eh”

      Sad thing is I think you were seriuos when you typed that.Just goes to show how little you know about dictatorship or military regimes.

      Still,as they say…ignorance is bliss.

    • thatmosis says:

      08:27am | 28/02/12

      You are joking arent you Cynicised. Get on with the job of Government, it is to laugh. This claytons Government would be flat out deciding whether to have sugar in their morning coffee or not. They make promises, they break those promises, they put out policies, those policies fail, they put out costings for those policies, those costings are always wrong and end up costing not only billions of dollars more but lives, home and businesses, they allow the unions to run rampant and ask for more for less and you expect people to believe that this has changed overnight. Give us a break, the only thing that cahnged was KRudd went to the back benches where he can still white ant Joolia for the next 18 months.

    • Steve says:

      12:52pm | 27/02/12

      Get ready for the wave of spin that will tell us all how the new “fair and friendly” Carbon tax did not cause the huge spike in inflation that is coming, but how it is all Tony Abbotts fault.

    • WhoDat says:

      12:53pm | 27/02/12

      Funny how some of the first posters mention the media

      Julian Disney, chairman of the Australian Press Council, has produced a report on an academic survey of the 2010 election that gauged public confidence in key institutions. Out of 14 institutions, the press ranked last - only 17 per cent had confidence in newspapers.

      In an Essential Media poll from last December, only 46 per cent trusted news and opinion in newspapers.

      His concerns were reinforced by community forums held by the council in four states. Members of the public consistently raised four issues: the blurring of the line between fact and opinion; misleading and sensationalist headlines; unjustified breaches of personal privacy; and increasingly vitriolic online commentary.

      Let’s clear these up. particularly the blurring (removal) of the line between fact and fiction. Do this until the next election and then let’s have an election based on facts, not opinion and bias.

    • Karin says:

      02:25pm | 27/02/12

      “only 17 per cent had confidence in newspapers”

      If the chairman of the Australian Press Council had thought otherwise he is aptly named ...Disney

    • Alfred Deakin says:

      12:56pm | 27/02/12

      If Gillard is still leader at the next election (unlikely), Tony Abbott wins.
      Those Labor members who said they would prefer to lose than reinstate Rudd will then have their wish.

    • Jolly says:

      02:09pm | 27/02/12

      “Those Labor members who said they would prefer to lose than reinstate Rudd will then have their wish”. Yes Alfred, you are cool!  Watch the next election. Actually we don’t have to wait that long ... the fast approaching Queensland results will show the real disgust of people for the current Labor. Gillard= Labor Death.

    • Jolly says:

      02:10pm | 27/02/12

      “Those Labor members who said they would prefer to lose than reinstate Rudd will then have their wish”. Yes Alfred, you are cool!  Watch the next election. Actually we don’t have to wait that long ... the fast approaching Queensland results will show the real disgust of people for the current Labor. Gillard= Labor Death.

    • wolf says:

      03:05pm | 27/02/12

      By taking this decision today, they are forcing me to vote for an Abbott Liberal government at the next election.
      I cannot forgive that until every one of those clowns that trashed Rudd in the media have left office. For many of them, that will be at the next election.

    • Not a labor voter says:

      12:58pm | 27/02/12

      Also demonstrates how influenced politicians are by their electorates.  Surely, going by the recent polling, if electorates were anything to go by, these MPs should have sided with Rudd.  No doubt a simplified way of looking at it but seems to be a clear articulation of self interest on the part of these MPs.

    • SB says:

      01:12pm | 27/02/12

      none of the polticians of both major parties serve their electorates. if they did we would not have any of our defence forces in iraq or afganistan as that is what the majority of voters in each electorate in australia are telling them.

    • antman says:

      01:46pm | 27/02/12

      So, if you know, through first-hand experience (something the electorate does not have), that the popular candidate is a narcissist and psychopath who would mire the government into inaction for the next 18 months while he cased the daily news cycle, while the unpopular candidate had proven herself to be capable of running a tight, focussed government, passing phenomenal amounts of overwhelmingly uncontested legislation, you would back the popular choice? That would be gross irresponsibility and self interest. Choosing the option that is more likely to see you lose your seat but provide better government in the interim seems to be the polar opposite of self interest.

    • Jolly says:

      02:04pm | 27/02/12

      I use to vote Labor with the exception of the last election. I gave it away to the Greens, knowing very well that the Greens will not be able to form Govt (the fool I was). Would have voted for the Liberals, except I was utterly against Abbott and what he stood for. Now again I shall not vote Labor. The current Labor eats its own!! The current Labor MPs went on public to attack Rudd and indulged in character assassination of the one who brought back victory to labor. The one who defeated the undefeatable Howard. What a show of gratitude when they acted treacherously against the then PM under the pretext of opinion polls. Now “opinion polls don’t count” says Gillard.  Labor has behaved very badly, indulging in gutter politics. The current Labor MPs, with their public emotional outbursts, have damaged Labor. This victory for Gillard is a PYRRHIC victory. In 18 months or so, Labor will not exist; the worst defeat they have ever witnessed in history.  Labor is DEAD! The Queensland election will vindicate this. Gillard and the Labor caucus have ignored the people and dismissed the people’s wishes twice. Once when Gillard treacherously ousted the then PM and now character assassinated one of its own. Only the next election results will bring them to reality.
      The only problem with the Liberals is Abbott and his ultra views. If only Turnbull stands as Liberal Leader, Labor will be wiped out of its existence in Australia. Only when this death happens can we expect to have a renewed, people centered Labor again. Gillard has no credibility. Leadership is also about TRUST. Gillard does not have this. Turnbull needs to come to the fore to annihilate treacherous Labor. Only Turnbull can bring a landslide victory for the Liberals and form a majority government. Until then we are doomed politically! In the absence of a popular, moderate and trustworthy Liberal Leader (such as Turnbull), Greens will continue to pick up the disillusioned Labor and independent votes. That may result in a hung Liberal parliament. Australia will be again riddled with internal politics at the expense of the people and the nation. Wake up Australia!!

    • Liz A says:

      02:08pm | 27/02/12

      well I rang my labor MP and asked her to vote for Gillard…

      So much for Kevin’s “people power”

    • Margi Mayer says:

      12:59pm | 27/02/12

      Err.. @Against the Man
      Gillard - with the numbers and tactical skill - has now beaten Rudd twice, and Abbott once.
      Those are not losses.

    • Alfred Deakin says:

      01:23pm | 27/02/12

      Gillard’s “skill” lost 11 seats in 2007 - more than twice as many as Latham lost in 2004. Her “skill” is set to lose about 20 more if she is still around in 2013. I think the people who gave her “the numbers”’ will have knifed her by the end of this year when they realise they are creating PM Abbott.

    • Graham27 says:

      01:26pm | 27/02/12

      If leading a party to an election in 2010, holding a 22 seat majority and coming out the other side with less than needed to form government is seen as a win MargiMayer you do set yourself a low standard!

    • Steve says:

      02:03pm | 27/02/12

      She didn’t beat abbott. The independents beat abbott. More voters voted for Abbott’s party.

    • Alfred Deakinj says:

      02:07pm | 27/02/12

      Yes - Julia Gillard’s greatest triumph : knocking off Labor PM Rudd.

      Rudd’s greatest triumph - knocking off long serving Liberal PM Howard.

      I know which I would rather have as my epitaph.

    • jolly says:

      02:42pm | 27/02/12

      Ha, you have converted this to a gender issue, Margi. At no time in history has Labor stooped this low to attack one of its own. The female politics (emotional outbursts) has destroyed Labor. Gillard is a poor example for the rest of us to follow. What has she taught us? Treachery, lies, deceit, emotional bribery. Even Brutus was gentler on Caesar. Look at Rudd and the way he went out when stabbed. Even now he has not indulged in character assignation. He kept to the issue; ie leadership tussle. Perhaps being a real Aussie is a weakness. Perhaps he needs to have the Welsh coal mine experiences with communist gutter politics to back him up. Rudd is the son of this land and he behaves like a true Aussie. Keating, Gough, Hawke, etc ... real decent Labor Leaders. Even Howard is decent, in spite of all his ultra views. Cheryl Kernot destroyed the Democrats. Now Gillard has destroyed our Labor. Gillard has just handed Australia over to Abbott on a platter. You don’t get this, eh.

    • Against the Man says:

      03:04pm | 27/02/12

      Guess you still don’t get it. Gillard sold out Australia to the Greens for power which is why Australia hates her. It is a historic legacy of shame as this country’s worst fake PM and politician. That my friend is a lifetime loss smile

    • Carol says:

      03:58pm | 27/02/12

      A the M,
      Don’t your fellow Australians, who voted Green or Independent have as much right to parliamentary input as you?
      Just what divine right do you have to refute the views of others?
      Reading your posts A the M, I feel you are BS personified.

    • Against the Man says:

      05:00pm | 27/02/12

      Carol I’m going to forgive you as English must not be one of your first 3 languages.

    • Carol says:

      05:33pm | 27/02/12

      A the M,
      Thank you. Now just try to answer the questions, I know your BS baffles most brains. But I’m not a devotee.

    • PaulS says:

      05:57am | 28/02/12

      Ummm…Gillard didn’t beat Abbott at all. She talked the Independents into siding with her, which wasn’t a difficult task when the three “independents” were already clearly anti-Abbott, thus giving her the minority government she now has. History shows that the Coalition scored more of the primary vote in the 2010 election than Labor did.

    • Borderer says:

      08:58am | 28/02/12

      Carol,
      People have the right to vote green, a minority did (one seat in the lower house).
      Labor, in order to secure power gave precedence to the Green’s policy (carbon tax) over what the majority wanted (both Labor and Coalition had no carbon tax as a point of policy). When a minority has control over government policy the majority chaffe at this dictatorial governance and rightly complain when others say you voted for it. We didn’t vote for it, LNP voters certainly didn’t, nor ALP voters (Julia’s no carbon tax promise was believed at the time), the whole thing was traded to secure government and funnily enough being sold out doesn’t sit well with people.

    • Jeff Adelaide says:

      01:00pm | 27/02/12

      Agree, we have had more than enough of this Banana Republic politics.
      Have a General Election, let’s find out what we really want, who we want, what policies (yes that’s the real issue), we wish and let’s move on. Quickly too, before the rest of the world really think we are totally useless.

    • Andrew says:

      01:05pm | 27/02/12

      You may have won the battle, but the voters will win the war

    • subotic says:

      01:19pm | 27/02/12

      ...in Afghanistan.

      As for AUSTRALIAN voters, pfffft, forget it.

      We haven’t won since possibly some time in the 1930’s I think….

      Chalk this episode into a long list of Australian political bullshit designed to keep us all occupied and amused so as to not focus on real life issues.

      *spits*

    • James Carthew says:

      01:13pm | 27/02/12

      Next election Labor loses, heads roll, and the election after Rudd becomes leader and sweeps them into power again. That’s how he should play it. Gillard has made her own bed, let her lie in it and watch Labor get voted out of office.

    • jolly says:

      02:58pm | 27/02/12

      Spot on, James. Gillard’s victory is a pyrrhic victory, nothing more. Those fools in Labor caucus are in the ‘fear mode’ and thus unable to think clearly. They were in the same dysfunctional mode when they panicked and mutinied against Rudd. What a bunch of clowns!! And they have a lying, deceitful, untrustworthy person as their leader for now. It shows the caliber of the current Labor. “Opinion polls don’t count” she said to day. Yet when it suited her then, opinion polls did matter to knife Rudd. She eats her own. What chance do we have? Bring on the election Julia. Bring on the election Labor caucus!!

    • Bong says:

      01:15pm | 27/02/12

      Thanks caucus, now we will get Abbott.
      Gillard is a bare faced liar and was NOT elected by the people of Australia. Shame on the caucus looking after their own interests and NOT the wishes of the Australian public

    • antman says:

      01:54pm | 27/02/12

      Quite the opposite, Bong. Caucus’ best interests would have been to choose the popular option. Instead, they chose the unpopular, but functional and effective, option, even though it probably reduces their likelihood of winning the next election. The general public is generally too stupid to understand something so simple; that’s why we elect representatives to Parliament: to become informed and make the best decisions on our behalf, not to parrot our (generally) uninformed opinions.

      Government should be about getting results, not opinion polls. Rudd proved that he was not able to produce results, other than an election win.

    • Maree says:

      02:23pm | 27/02/12

      The only way to get us out of the cesspit is to put Abbott in the job. Now all we need is for the GG to call an early election and the people of Australia will have real cause to thank caucus. In case you have forgotten Juliar was put into the job to win the last election because Rudd had no chance of winning. The only thing both of them have done is sell us out to China. Led by these 2 fools consecutively Labor have ruined this country. I along with my family are changing our votes in support of Abbott at the next election which for our country’s sake can’t come soon enough!

    • The Calico Kid says:

      04:04pm | 27/02/12

      ‘The general public is generally too stupid to understand something so simple’

      “Brain, what are we doing tonight?”
      “Same thing we do every night Pinky, plan to take over the world.”’

      I didn’t know Pinky had escaped and changed his name, eh antman.

    • Julie Walker says:

      04:43pm | 27/02/12

      What is wrong with so many of you.  Just name ONE country that is in a better position than Australia is at the moment.  Ask yourselves was unemployment, interest rates and the level of income tax lower under Howard or higher.  The answer in ALL cases is higher.

      If the government is doing such a bad job and we are living in a cesspit, then why are we the envy of almost every other country in the western world.  Oh and please don’t go on about debt levels, etc, etc, etc ... How many of you have a huge debt in the form of a mortgage but still have a regular income or even money in the bank.

      Would you prefer to have a huge surplus sitting there doing nothing .... and if you think that the government under Howard didn’t have any debt you are delusional, all the surplus meant was that instead of using the money we already had, they used borrowed money instead.  (It did look so much better though having that surplus to be used for nothing, even though the health system and education were rapidly going down the toilet).

      Would you prefer the surplus and DEBT with no infrastructure, with higher unemployment, higher interest rates and higher tax????? Because this is what you got under Howard.

      Why is it that the ONLY people who think that this government is a disaster are the LNP and their blind followers with such short memories that they seem to forget, conveniently, that one of the greatest bald faced liars of all time was John Howard .... you know the man named the lying rodent by one of his own party members and who coined the phrase NON CORE PROMISE and how about Tony Abbott an admitted liar who made it clear that you shouldn’t believe anything he says unless it is written down,

    • Wayne says:

      08:27pm | 27/02/12

      Julie, What other country started with no federal government debt before the GFC? None I know of. It therefore is logical we should be in a better position now than most other countries. We technically avoided a recession just.

      Living expenses are higher today, with increases in house insurance, gas, electricity, council rates, water rates, car rego, car insurance and numerous other expenses. Labor promised they could do something, grocery watch, petrol watch, and numerous others all totally useless. And the carbon tax is yet to come which will go up and up.

      Personal taxes were reducing over time under Howard so your point is moot.

      Tony Abbott did not say he lies, he said that when talking unscripted he may use words that will possibly convey an incorrect interpretation. Unlike Gillard who said there will be no carbon tax and repeated by Swann which confirmed the meaning. Perhaps she meant to say there will be a carbon tax under the government I lead? There is no way Labor would have been in government now if she made the second statement.

      Labor has not saved us, what they have done is spend more than they had to make us look better for a while. The residents of Greece used to think all was well there too a while ago. This does nothing to fix the underlying issues of us being totally uncompetitive against imported goods and services, and getting worse. Employment statistics are totally misleading as even a few hours work per week means the person is not unemployed, and all those that are in training courses, all well and good but what jobs will there be for them?

      I work in businesses spread across many different industries and they are all struggling to break even. The economy is indeed struggling.

      As for putting aside funds, the Howard government called it an infrastructure fund to build up and then we could build using the earnings of the fund. That is now gone and funds have to come from general revenue instead, hardly something to crow about.

      And health is no better than it was. So much for fixing it and stopping the blame game.

    • Karin says:

      01:18pm | 27/02/12

      All,including Penbo have forgotten why Rudd was deposed in 2010.

      Low numbers in the “polls”

      Not as low as Turnbull or Abbott but….

      It’s not the ‘people’ who have spoken,as usual it’s the pollsters.

      Strange,living in a blue-ribbon electoral my opinion has NEVER been canvassed. by pollsters.

      I feel left out.

    • marley says:

      06:11am | 28/02/12

      No, it wasn’t the pollsters. It was the ALP caucus that spoke.

    • stevem says:

      09:58am | 28/02/12

      I think you’ll find it was both. They may have hated him but would have put up with it if he was polling well. Once the polls dropped they used that as an excuse for dumping him.

    • Louisa says:

      01:23pm | 27/02/12

      Another clear indication that politicians do not listen to the communities that they represent. There is nothing surer than the fact that there will be another Labor leadership spill before the election. All statements of unity aside, they know they cannot win with Gillard.

    • Karin says:

      02:47pm | 27/02/12

      Better check your dictionary for the definition of “fact”

      A weather forcast is never a “fact” either.

    • Maria says:

      01:27pm | 27/02/12

      I run a small business and the constant in-fighting and instability have added to the general lack of confidence affecting voters.
      It’s time someone (NOT RUDD - who in my opinion seems to be a self serving egotistical loser), stepped up and clearly stated the GREAT SHAPE this country is in, compared to the rest of the World.  Someone who will actually ENCOURAGE people to get out there and live life, spend and stop hiding under the blankets in fear.  There is nothing to fear.  We have low interest rates, the lowest unemployment in years, yet the way we are going with our fearful, cautious approach, will do more damage than if interest rates and unemployment were at an all time high.

    • Mayday says:

      02:59pm | 27/02/12

      Wayne Swan and his deputies in Treasury have tried that and still people are not spending and banks are not lending to small business in particular. 
      Then there is Fair Work Australia, still “incapable” of coming to a decision regarding Craig Thompson and apparently bogged down with an increase in that oxymoron “unfair dismissal” cases.

      Gillard has no credibility and Swan is useless, he went on and on about the banks yet Glen Stevens came out and said that the banks are not bound by the RBA’s rates.

      They are both political whores prepared to sell themselves for personal gain rather than do the hard yards and be honest with the electorate.

      The only voice to arrest the lack of confidence is the LNP’s and the sooner an election is announced the better for all.  Good luck.

    • jolly says:

      07:12pm | 27/02/12

      Hi Maria, Rudd is the one who put Labor on the political map again. He was instrumental in Howard losing his own seat. Rudd created history. You have never worked with him. Yes, there are people (ministers & bureaucrats) who disliked him. Rudd was a hard task master, a perfectionist, was obsessed with delivering promised goals. That is what we people need, a delivering, no nonsense leader.  Rudd was sometimes surrounded by bungling fools and lazy-easy going staff and ministers. Garrett and the insulation saga is one example. He has an ego as do all people with leadership qualities. That is a strength in politics, Maria. Unfortunately for moderate Labor and Rudd, he was surrounded by a few far left, scheming, lying, treacherous and overtly ambitious fools. They destroyed Labor. Only Rudd will be able to resurrect dead Labor. Don’t write him off yet. Like Lazarus, (and like good old Johnny) he will rise again.

      You are absolutely right that we have a lot going for this country. We need to go about our business without fear and with much confidence. Hell with the politicians!!

    • Bob of Perth says:

      01:28pm | 27/02/12

      Well well the voting public have just been given the finger by gillard and labor. Absolutely no respect for Australians in general. An election NOW is vital !

    • antman says:

      01:57pm | 27/02/12

      On the contrary. By ensuring that Rudd does not again bring the business of government to a complete standstill through indecision, inaction and an obsession with the news cycle, Gillard and Labor have shown that they absolutely respect Australians and the institution of government.

    • ZSRenn says:

      03:16pm | 27/02/12

      @ antman How is voting a PM in that is despised by 70% of the voting public listening to the voter. You can spin it all you like dude and I am sure you will get your pay for doing but please please please stop treating me like a fucking idiot!

    • ZSRenn says:

      03:16pm | 27/02/12

      @ antman How is voting a PM in that is despised by 70% of the voting public listening to the voter. You can spin it all you like dude and I am sure you will get your pay for doing but please please please stop treating me like a fucking idiot!

    • meinsydney says:

      03:31pm | 27/02/12

      Yes, Bob she has, and I agree about an election.

      As for antman, I’m guessing he doesn’t approve of the democratic process…perhaps he’d be happy for people he considers smarter than himself to choose his local MP too.

    • meinsydney says:

      03:31pm | 27/02/12

      Yes, Bob she has, and I agree about an election.

      As for antman, I’m guessing he doesn’t approve of the democratic process…perhaps he’d be happy for people he considers smarter than himself to choose his local MP too.

    • antman says:

      06:56pm | 27/02/12

      @ZSRenn: I didn’t say that they did listen to the voters. I said that they respected Australians enough not to inflict a Rudd-led government on them again.

      @meinsydney: I respect the democratic processes as set down in our Constitution, whereby we elect members to represent us in Parliament (that is the one thing that I, and you, CAN do). Whichever grouping of those members can command the confidence of the House gets to form a government and choose its Ministers, including the most senior, the Prime Minister. We don’t strictly even vote for a particular party; members can and do leave the parties that they were members of when elected, change allegiances or may have been independents to begin with and they are entirely within their rights to change any Minister - we don’t choose the Prime Minister and never have. We have as much say over the office of Prime Minister as we do over the office of the Health Minister or the Foreign Minister. The office of Prime Minister is not even provided for in the Constitution. That is the model of democracy that exists in this country by virtue of our constitution, yet you decry me for being sufficiently educated to understand it and for respecting it? You are the one that should be mocked as you clearly don’t even understand the model of democracy operating in your own country and believe that non-existent principles apply.

      I never said tht anyone was smarter than me or anyone else; simply that the members of the ALP know, first-hand, the capabilities of Rudd and Gillard to run a government while you and I do not. They are in the better position to make an informed decision, not an emotional one. Based on the recent revelations from members of Rudd’s government, they did us a favour by not giving him another go.

    • DaniM says:

      01:34pm | 27/02/12

      I’m pretty sure if we ALL contact the Governor General she has the power to call for an early election.

    • marley says:

      01:45pm | 27/02/12

      No she doesn’t.  She can only call an election if the government loses the confidence of the House.  So long as the PM can muster the numbers in Parliament, there will be no election.  Period.

    • antman says:

      02:02pm | 27/02/12

      The GG has the power to sack the government and dissolve the parliament in very limited circumstances, essentially where the processes of government are unable to take place. It has to be something of monumental gravity to justify a single person overturning the result of a democratic election. Unpopularity of a sitting Government according to unofficial opinion polls doesn’t even come close to the mark.

    • Mark says:

      02:04pm | 27/02/12

      @DaniM, don’t bother, she’s the mother-in-law of Bill Shorten who help knife Rudd and put Gillard into place. If anyone thinks she’ll call an election, they’re dreaming.

    • Martin says:

      03:31pm | 27/02/12

      GG cannot sack the government just because the liberal party lost the election. Even Tony Abbott knows it, so why is he harping on about it.

    • DanniM says:

      01:40pm | 27/02/12

      Why don’t we ALL contact the Governor General for an early election as I’m sure she has the power to call for an early election

    • Don C says:

      02:45pm | 27/02/12

      You’re completely mistaken.

      An unelected official called in to overturn a working democratic process? A most dangerous and highly undemocratic precedent, for all duly elected governments.

      That is not how our carefully made democratic system of checks and balances works. 

      In actual fact, while the PM has clear majority support in the House of Representatives, there is no possible constitutional ground for the Governor General to intervene. None.

      As widely expected, Prime Minister Gillard today continues to lead a stable minority Labor goverment with a stable working majority,  with the continuing support of the independents and minor parties.

      You’ll notice that no motion of No Confidence Opposition has been put by the Opposition. Abbott knows that PM Gillard has a working majority, and that such a motion would be lost - to his great embarrassment.

      So the best he could muster today was to interrupt Question Time with a weak but wordy & overblown Suspension of Standing Orders, a spiteful attack that saw his Deputy sat down by the Speaker, the National Party leader ejected by the Speaker, and his attack torn to shreds by firstly the PM, in full cry, and then smartly by Albo, Leader of the House, back at the top of his form.

      Motion lost.

      No motion of no confidence.

      No place, legally, constituionally or morally for the Governor General to intervene.

      Indeed, todays events show just how robustly our democratic parliamentary processes work, even in periods of pressure.

      May I respectfully suggest that you look for a better source or guide for your understanding of how our Parliament and Government systems work.

    • Rachel says:

      04:55pm | 27/02/12

      A jolly idea, but she’s too busy boring us all s…less with Melbourne Cup speeches that take longer than the race itself.  And her son in law is Bill Shorten so she’s hardly going to put him out of work.
      But Labor have collectively fallen on their sword this week.  They’ve definitely lost my vote.

    • i've hadit says:

      01:46pm | 27/02/12

      i never voted gillard in i voted for rudd,,,how come our so called democratic system tells us who runs the show and not the people…i have always voted labour but will never again because all they have done is lie and deceive us about issues ,,,i’ve had it….......i don’t like him much but tony you have mine plus a lot more others to come,,,bring it on….................

    • Jamin says:

      02:16pm | 27/02/12

      I think Winston Churchill said it best “The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter”

      This applies to you as well Bong.

    • Karin says:

      02:40pm | 27/02/12

      ” i voted for rudd”

      live in his electorate do you?

      If not how come Rudd was on your ballot paper?

    • Ben says:

      03:03pm | 27/02/12

      Don’t be stupid Karin, you know what he is getting at. I’m pretty sure that the campaign line was Kevin07, not Labor07. Whether it is technically correct or not, people voted for Rudd.

    • Karin says:

      03:26pm | 27/02/12

      “Whether it is technically correct or not, people voted for Rudd. “

      Makes your local pollie rather unecessary then doesn’t it?

      I wonder who you would have gone bleating to on a local issue?

      Rudd or your local pollie?

    • antman says:

      07:25pm | 27/02/12

      I’m more concerned that i’ve had it (ihi) was voting for rudd (sic) in the British Parliament, since he was voting labour (sic), but thought that he was voting for Rudd in the seat of Griffith, where he was standing as the candidate for the Labor party.

      Then, and I’m reading between the lines here, ihi has a problem with the ALP caucus replacing the person that was the party leader at the 2007 election before the following election but has no problem with them replacing their leader at the 2010 election before the next election.

      If ihi’s lack of understanding of Australia’s system of governemtn and electoral processes isn’t sufficiently staggering, the inconsistency of standards is just the icing on the cake.

    • Martin says:

      07:37pm | 27/02/12

      If you voted for Rudd, you must live in his electorate and you voted for him because he was the LABOR PARTY candidate for that electorate. The Labor party elected Rudd leader, not you. The Labor party give it , to him the Labor party took it away from him. Are you sure you are not a confused Liberal party voter?

    • Jolly says:

      07:39pm | 27/02/12

      Karin, please go easy. People voted for Labor then because they knew who the PM would be. Rudd needn’t have to be in that particular electorate. I voted Labor for the same reason. It is very much like why people are reluctant to vote for the Liberals because of Mr Negative, ultra conservative Abbott. People generally shy away from the far left or the far right. We in Australia are comfortable with moderates. Should Turnbull stand for the Liberals, we’d not be having this discussion. It would have been a long gone conclusion; ie Liberal landslide victory and a majority government! So, yes, people did vote for Rudd in a way and they feel cheated.

    • Tony says:

      01:59pm | 27/02/12

      One eyed barrackers in OPPOSITION recycle the same old worn out cliches..
      There was never any doubt on Julia Gillards leadership, but noise counts for more joy to foster contagion across the one eyed barrackers. 

      The IMF, World Bank and OECD analysts have been given exposure in HANSARD, to demonstrate on impartial merit, a high quality economic management score card by the current Government, in the after shocks of the GFC on western nations (eg unemployment rates, or Federal debt as a % of GDP). One eyed barrackers will brazenly bag objective reporting whenever another fix of contagion reflates their emotional high.

      When is a Malcolm Turnball standard of rationality going to return to the Liberal Party ?  Hint: maybe after the Coalition loses the next election on the
      back of smart one liners styled on Tea Party politics in the USA.

    • davo says:

      12:12pm | 28/02/12

      “but noise counts for more joy to foster contagion across the one eyed barrackers”

      An empty can makes the most noise.

    • Ned Springstein says:

      02:01pm | 27/02/12

      What now is that this is the beginning of the end for Tony Abbott.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      02:29pm | 27/02/12

      You’re tripping balls, guy.

    • Weary says:

      02:05pm | 27/02/12

      In response to the comment that most Aussies want Kevin not Julia, Steven Conroy outdid himself in terms of blinding arrogance by responding ‘the voters would prefer Kylie Minogue to Kevin Rudd’.  Would we really.
      That shows you how much respect they have for the intelligence of Australian people.  And this laughably misguided attempt to make a point (whatever it was) comes from the minister for… wait for it… communication!  Go figure.
      Poor Conroy.  I’d be careful not to alienate idiots when there’s no-one else likely to vote for you.

    • Karin says:

      02:30pm | 27/02/12

      “That shows you how much respect they have for the intelligence of Australian people.”

      And rightly so!

      We voted for ‘honest’ John and his GST and now we are bleating everytime we get a bill with the 10% GST added.

      doesn’t say much for our ‘intelligence’ does it?

    • Kylie says:

      02:31pm | 27/02/12

      I so agree Weary that shocked the hell outta me.  Stephen Conroy should be sacked.

    • AdamC says:

      02:52pm | 27/02/12

      Don’t be ridicuolous, Karin. Your Labor buddies only opposed the GST for political advantage. Not to mention, it has been over 10 years. Time to move on!

    • Aitch B says:

      03:27pm | 27/02/12

      @Karin

      I assume by “we” you mean “you”. Unless you speak on behalf of the entire population of Australia, of course.

      Which you don’t!!

    • Mouse says:

      03:45pm | 27/02/12

      I suppose the fact that a GST went to an election isn’t important, is it?  I suppose too that lots of things became cheaper because all of the other State and Federal taxes came off doesn’t count either?

      Oh well, you can continue bleating away over the GST if it makes you happy. Then you can bleat all over again when your other bills get more expensive due to the carbon tax.  Ain’t life grand? :o)

    • RobertB says:

      03:59pm | 27/02/12

      Conroy is a fool..they all are if they think we will take this..we won’t

    • Jolly says:

      04:00pm | 27/02/12

      Steven Conroy has such respect for the will of the people!! Wow!! What an emotional outburst and utterly in keeping with the current Gillard’s Labor sentiments. You are doing well Stevo! Keep it up. Let’s remember this at the next election, eh. Come on Kylie Minogue, you should stand against good old Stevo Conro. We sure will prefer you to Stevo.

    • Not a mouse says:

      04:20pm | 27/02/12

      Sorry mouse
      The price of cheese might have gone down in your bolthole,
      But in the world of humans, everything jumped 10 percent overnight.

    • Clayton says:

      02:10pm | 27/02/12

      Gosh darn it people when are you all going to wake up and realise that you should be voting for the party and its policy not who it’s sodding leader is.

    • Mitch says:

      02:43pm | 27/02/12

      Thats a bit hard when the Liberals don’t seem to have any policy isn’t it!

    • Joan says:

      03:09pm | 27/02/12

      Clayton: `The sodding leader` matters - thats why Gillard knifed Rudd overnight , and now this time round she has sent her henchmen Swan, Roxon, Crean, Combet, Emerson, Garret to trash Rudd image.- but public not buying the trash Gillard and her henchmen tossed at Rudd. We all know who has bunged up policy, and is completely untrustworthy and a liar to boot- that person`s name is Gillard and we won’t forget it . Watch that next Labor primary vote crash now that the possiblity of Rudd leadership has disappeared down the gurgler and bnow reality check Australians realise they stuck with Gillard tarnbised soiled brand of Labor. The sodding leader does matter - you bet.

    • jolly says:

      03:33pm | 27/02/12

      Joan, the worst of the lot is Garrett. He, single handedly bungled an otherwise marvelous insulation project. When Rudd screwed him up (& rightly so), Garrett lost “face’ and was utterly displeased with Rudd. Garrett needs to go back to the music industry ... oops ... no to his hopeless former band that no one wanted to listen to. As for Crean .... he is no better than Latham. Let’s put Gillard and her henchmen Swan, Roxon, Crean, Combet, Emerson, Garrett et al in a leaky boat and allow Abbott to tow them away to some distant island.

    • dobbo says:

      02:37pm | 27/02/12

      Let’s have an LNP leadership spill while we’re witnessing this outbreak of democracy. After all the Mad Monk only squeaked in by one vote after his Turnbull backstab.

      Now we see Gillard win 71 to 31. It’s clear who has the greater legitimacy out of the two at the moment.

    • jolly says:

      03:16pm | 27/02/12

      Gillard is the not the lawful PM of this nation. She does not represent the people of this nation. She is PM by dealing and wheeling with independents and the Greens. The people have spoken at the last election and she was not their choice. Now again the people have indicated their choice and Julia is not the one. Yet she remains through the support of the dying Labor caucus. One thing I must say in Gillard’s favour; she has the steel to both disregard the public and her opponents. It is, I think, good to be without children, for children bring empathy in us and this softens our outlook; most unsuitable for tough politics. It is good to be born outside Australia, as like the new migrants, they have the tenacity that we local Aussies and Aboriginals lack. It is good to have the Welsh coal mine experience, as it hardens one. It is good to have had a communist ideology when growing up; it gives one a firm belief in ultra left sentiments.
      Poor old local born Aussie Rudd with Aussie moderate values and with a penchant for perfection. You play fair and that is your weakness, Rudd old boy!

    • Monty says:

      03:36pm | 27/02/12

      “Gillard is the not the lawful PM of this nation”. Jolly, you, and people like you, need a serious reality check, because you sure aren’t living in the real world.

    • Don C says:

      03:54pm | 27/02/12

      “Gillard is the not the lawful PM of this nation”? 
      That is simply wrong, Jolly. Seriously.

      People’s Choice and People Power may sound good as a TV sound bite, but its wrong. Not only wrong, but utterly impractical.

      No Party in Australia does what you claim they should, and for good reason.

      The voters elect the Party members they choose, at elections when properly called by due fair process.

      The elected Party members then elect their Leaders, on their best assessment of ability, for as long as the elected Party members have confidence in them.

      Applies to ALL parties. That’s how we do it in our democracy, and for good reason too.

      Put the boot on the other foot for a moment.

      In 2007, Liberals went to the polls with John Howard as PM.

      That’s the same John Howard who once complacently remarked to camera “I’ll be PM as long as my Party wants me.” He was being asked about when he might retire.

      Note 1: As long as his Liberal Party members supported him.  he was right in a way - Costello didn’t have the grit to challenge.

      Note 2: His electorate then duly sacked him instead.

      So after the 2007election, without Howard the Liberal Party - by your claim - could have had NO lawful leader.

      What tosh. The Liberal Party room simply elected another Leader, fair and square. As usual.

      Bear in mind, the Opposition is there to hold itself ready as the alternative government, by holding the elected Govt to account for its policies, and by offering its own policies, under its elected Leader as alternative PM.

      So looking further at the Liberal example, having elected Dr Nelson as Leader in Opposition, as potential alternative PM of an alternative Government, the Liberal Party soon came to the conclusion that they’d rather have someone else. 

      By your claim, they should have waited to the next General Election! But even then, how could the people have known which Liberal to support as possible PM under your claim? Well, they couldn’t!

      So again, they did what all Parties do. They had a Party Room vote, and a mighty public tussle, and picked…...Malcolm Turnbull. Have you forgotten?

      And when they decided they didn’t fancy him either, did they try for a popular election? No. Of course they didn’t. No way of doing so.

      Hev you forgotten? They went back to the Party Room. After another ugly bout of public ring-a-ring-a-rosy. And chose Mr Abbott. By one solitary vote.

      So there you have it

      People’s Choice? Sounds good as a TV sound bite. Wrong in practice and in principle. No Party in Australia does what you claim they should, and for good reason. Seriously.

    • dobbo says:

      04:04pm | 27/02/12

      Jolly…Like it or not that’s how the system works. Gillard had the skill to negotiate with the various elements to take leadership of the country. Now it’s likely she’ll take her next step to consolidating her role as PM (bit like in the war when people got promoted in the field).

      Basically too she’s now bought clear air to have a good go at the 2013 election? Why? Because the white-anting mole has been outed. The leaker will finally have to keep it zipped.

      Plus I detect a grudging respect from you for Gillard - and rightly so. She has shown her usual incredible grace (and steel) under pressure.

    • Carol says:

      04:41pm | 27/02/12

      Don C,
      You are of course correct, but you raise an interesting issue. Seeing as we the people do not elect our PM and as a PM does not rate a mention in our constitution, why do we pay his/her additional salary?
      The position of PM is a party political appointment, so surely the party should pay the additional salary, should they not? Don’t let us forget the gold pass, office and secretary paid by us after they have left office.

    • Don C says:

      05:36pm | 27/02/12

      Word games. No thanks.

      The provisions of our system for PMs and indeed MP salaries generally apply to all Parties and are, I’ve no doubt, properly provided for in law.

      There’s been a few of these little whisps about the PM “not being an office in the Constitution”. Who ‘s behind it? Where from? To what purpose?  If its a point of any genuine merit, I’ll be very surprised indeed.

      We have a system that works, the same way for whichever Party is in office.

      The PM of the day may be a Party Political choice to start with -as it should be- but the PM is then the national leader. Through the Executive Council on which the PM and others sit, with GG presiding -  who is duty-bound to take the PMs advice in giving effect to law and etc. 

      Pointless trying to fiddle with working arrangements just because you dislike some current office holder. Sooner or later, you’ll find you’ve created a new precedent that’s going turn around and bite YOU.

      Pretty rich systems. Work pretty well. And all in public view, for anyone genuinely interested.

      To be found eg by a bit of a browse through the GGs site, the Parliament site, the PM& C site. The Parliamentary Handbook and Executive Council handbooks, say.

    • Don C says:

      05:38pm | 27/02/12

      Dobbo, I agree. Though it’d be a dashed good idea to keep a close eye on that unelected coot Bruce Hawker.

    • Jolly says:

      08:32pm | 27/02/12

      Monty and Don, both of you are absolutely right in terms of the structure and the legal workings of Party politics. But that is only part of the story (albeit a factual one). All parties do put up a member as the leader when they go for an election. In most cases, like buying a house, people’s emotions come into play. They see the front man (his calibre, his trustworthiness, his beliefs) and decide to go for the Party and thus support the local members who are connected to the party leadership.  Leadership is also about perceived trust. One may be the smartest man on earth, but if he has lost the trust of the people, there is no chance in hell that the party is going to gain momentum. Looking around the world, parties win elections based on leadership as well.  Labor under Crean or Latham had no credibility with the voting public and they were dumped. Don’t tell me that leadership is of no concern to the public. People within caucus and party loyalist may see differently. But it is the public that votes for a party with a particular leader intact. That people have elected a PM (in a round about way) is also a truth. The problem of the current Liberals is also because of the current leader, Abbott.
      The number of people (including Labor supporters) who would willingly stand by the liberals with Turnbull is also an indication of the people’s ownership of a party leader and consequently the PM. So in this light I stand by what I said that PM Gillard does not have the mandate of the people. Gillard is certainly not the people’s preferred PM. This sentiment is not just TV hype. It is real.

    • Don C says:

      06:55am | 28/02/12

      No, thanks, that’s not right.

      Jolly, :09:32pm | 27/02/12
      “I stand by what I said that PM Gillard does not have the mandate of the people.”
      No, that was NOT what you originally said.

      Jolly, 04:16pm | 27/02/12
      “Gillard is the not the lawful PM of this nation”
      That’s what you said.  The PM’s position is NOT unlawful. That’s what your claim was. And now you know it was wrong.

      It matters not what false comparison you now throw up, nor how you try to airbrush your words.

      Like this, for example
      Jolly,  09:32pm | 27/02/12
      “Don’t tell me that leadership is of no concern to the public”
      Excuse me, I didn’t. ever say that. Complelely false claim. Of course leadership is of concerm. One of a number of issues to weigh up, in Party political terms.

      On Mandate, generally, opinion polls do not give any member a “mandate” in any shape or form, ever.

      An election gives a “mandate” in some formal sense - its effect and meaning being one of the most widely and wildy spun buzzwords of party and partisan politics. 

      Anyone would think that no other Party in office had ever replaced a Leader during its term in government.

      That’s not right, at all. John Grey Gorton comes to mind, replaced by William McMahon. Liberals.

      The PM and elected members OF ANY PARTY will be keenly aware of their standing with the electorate during their term of office. 

      And as ALL Parties do, they will bend their will and talent to govern in the best interests of the country as they best see it during their due term of office.

      So that when an election comes IN ITS DUE TIME, they wil get judged fairly by the electorate as members and PM.

      We have a working publicly accountable democracy with an effective,  functioning government.

      In office, NO Party in its right mind would be seeking to drag the voters to a proper election before its due time,  just because the opinion polls looked poor.  JW Howard v P Costello comes to mind, for example. What ALL parties strive for is to deliver stable government in order to carry out their programs that they see to be the best.


      What you mean is you can’t wait to vote against Labor as the Government with Gillard as their PM.  Your choice. Mine differs.

      If you want to argue the toss about it, up to you.

      But kindly do so without trying to play verbal tricks.

    • Jolly says:

      10:25pm | 28/02/12

      Don C, my final words: “watch the Queensland election on 24/3”.  The Queenslanders thrashing of Labor will be as bad as what happened in NSW Labor. Delusional Caucus and the bad-mouthing Labor ministers will be taught a damn good lesson. Take a bet; the federal election in 18 months will be a devastating defeat for Labor. People don’t forget, unlike what Labor arrogantly declared that “the public has short memory”. Ha Ha Ha! Will miss reading your Labor propaganda as I’ll back at work from annual leave. By the way, enjoy the sinking ship, Don C.

    • Rhonda says:

      02:43pm | 27/02/12

      gillard made a lot of cock ups all by herselve, how long till the next one and what will happen then?

    • Ray says:

      02:44pm | 27/02/12

      The Party should not forget the fact that this skirmish was brought on by the growing lack of confidence in Julia Gillard both within and outside the Caucus, thanks to breaking her promises on the carbon tax, to breaking the promise not to support same sex marriage, to dishonouring Kevin Rudd’s promise not to means test private health insurance, to introducing a Fair Work Act whose objective is to disadvantage employers by escalating labour costs and reducing productivity, to her nationalisation of the telecommunications industry thereby raising communications costs, to her failure to stop the entry of illegal immigrants.

    • Don C says:

      03:02pm | 27/02/12

      The Party may in fact be reflecting on the fact that it got through a heated leadership debate by using its properly established democratic parliamentary party processes, to return its properly chosen PM,  with the biggest winning margin EVER RECORDED in a Labor Party Room motion.

      A thumping victory, from base which the Labor Party can continue with the day to day business of governing the country for the benefit of all Australians according to its policies.

      Low inflation, low unemployment, low interest rates, clean energy, etc etc etc etc etc.

    • Karin says:

      03:18pm | 27/02/12

      Maybe Gillard should have used Howard’s excuse of core and non-core promises?

      The only downfall would have been that like the Howard’s election promisies we would have only found out which were core and which were non-core promises AFTER the election.

    • Houmong says:

      03:39pm | 27/02/12

      Karin
      Maybe we should just have aspirations for stuff?
      We can never be called when aspirations fall to the wayside now can we and it’s such a nice word packed with so little meaning in the context of politics.

    • jolly says:

      03:52pm | 27/02/12

      Oh Don, what hope you have? You sound soooo like Shorten. These delusional people really believe that Gillard’s “biggest winning margin EVER RECORDED in a Labor Party Room motion” is going to get them any where in public confidence. This is only a PYRRHIC victory, mate. Please remember this statement and it will be reflected in the Queensland Labor defeat and a sounding defeat at the next federal election. Gillard and her Caucus may wish to redeem themselves after the two shameful treacheries but the public will remember at the next polls. Someone from the Labor so confidently announced that the public has a shot-term memory. Ha, ha, ha. Just wait and see. I was once a Labor supporter.

    • Don C says:

      04:18pm | 27/02/12

      “Belief”? Belief has nothing to do with it Jolly.  Julia Gillards Party Room win in the Leadership ballot is the widest margin of victory ever recorded - plain fact.

      Hope? Certainly I hope. We just hope for different things. No need for the personal insults, thanks.

      All my adult life I’ve looked to the policies of the major Parties and all my adult life I’ve been of the view that Labor policies are in the best interests of my country and the best interests of all Australians, however they choose to vote.

      That’s my considered judgement. I don’t go to water just because an Opposition Leader happens to be a bit slick with spin and aggro.

      And I certainly don’t go to water when the Party that has my considered support goes through difficult times.

      So certainly I hope and expect that as PM, Julia Gillard and the Labor team will continue to govern well for the good of Australia, in stable and effective minority.

      So certainly I expect Australia’s economic strength to continue, as all our basic economic stats show,  under Labor’s stewardship.

      So that the people get to judge Labor’s performance and the state of the country properly, at the next election, when it falls due in 2013. 

      Which I certainly hope PM Gillard wins.

      Free country. My considered view. Yours may differ.

    • Joan says:

      04:37pm | 27/02/12

      jolly: what more can you expect from Shorten the guy who wrongly thinks he is primeminister material. We won’t forget Shorten’s role in the knifing of the Rudd , Shorten in a rush to get to the top. You bet Rudd will score a few more points from the people from this shenanigans - if Rudd feels a bit down today he should read Greg Sheridan piece in the Australian today which tells us just how good Rudd is , how respected Rudd is on the World stage and just how bad Gillard and Co is for Australia - which the majority of Australians know. If Rudd is smart he will write a book and do a John Howard and make come a back in 18 months if not before.

    • Anthony says:

      02:51pm | 27/02/12

      Penberthy, you leave out one big consideration here. This was not a test of who is popular, trusted, and respected by the people. It was a test of whether the ALP is ready to show itself as a party for the people, rather than a factitious club of power brokers and a puppet leader. What has been made clear here is not how popular Julia is with her ministers, we the public could not be concerned less with that. What politicians say in public is generally a waste of time paying attention to. It is only intended to distract. What has been made clear is the ALP’s completely disregard for the wishes of the people, something that will be remembered very clearly come next election. No amount of talk about unity, healing, and strength of character can turn a sow’s ear into a silk purse. It’s polly speak, and we, the people, could not care less what drivel rolls down her chin, it will not change who and what she is to us. Do they think we don’t recognise platitudes and false sincerity, and that we can’t tell a plastic smile? ALP as a party of the people was on it’s last legs. This just put it out of its misery. I’d rather try Tony Abbot and all that entails than run another term with this lot. The only way the ALP will ever get back the support of the people is a major house cleaning of everyone who voted in favor of Julia today over their moral and ethical obligations to serve the people of Australia.

    • Chris says:

      02:53pm | 27/02/12

      The students in my senior English class, all of whom will be voting in the next election, were outraged at the result.
      Rudd has a lot of support among younger people, something which carried him home in 2007 and which lingers today among a new batch of imminent voters.
      Gillard, by stark contrast, has very little appeal in the electorate.

    • Karin says:

      03:33pm | 27/02/12

      “The students in my senior English class, all of whom will be voting in the next election, were outraged at the result.”

      Oh dear.

      Small wonder that we deemed the backwater as far as education is concerned.

      Howard and his cohorts have a lot to answer for haven’t they?

      And to think Abbott has promised us if he is elected there will be a dozen or so former Howard ministers deciding what a good education is all about.

      Scary isn’t it?

    • jolly says:

      03:40pm | 27/02/12

      This is the same among most uni students, Chris. They are outraged by all this treachery from Gillard. They have not an iota of respect for Gillard, except the staunch Labor Party youth. Even among the latter group there is much, much rumbling.

    • Steven Economides says:

      03:04pm | 27/02/12

      I find it sad that I will vote for Abbott next election. What possibly makes the ALP think that the hatchet job they did on Rudd will not blow up in their face. Bring on the election. Personally I hope Swan, Ellis and Crean lose their seats and Gillard records a worse vote that State Labor in NSW.

    • Jolly says:

      03:21pm | 27/02/12

      Lets pray for this! Ooops but under Gillard’s Labor there is no God. So is prayer an useless effort?

    • Al says:

      03:43pm | 27/02/12

      Jolly - depends if your a believer or not.
      If you are, pray away, chances are it won’t do anything but who knows, strange (and good) things happen all the time.
      If you aren’t, who would you pray too?
      BTW - just because Gillard is Athiest doesn’t mean Australia is. We are secular, that is no specific religion or abscence thereof required.

    • Against the Man says:

      03:27pm | 27/02/12

      Mark Arbib quits. More to come I take it smile

    • Monty says:

      04:31pm | 27/02/12

      Arbib quitting is nothing but a good thing for Labor.

    • Loxy says:

      03:27pm | 27/02/12

      This decision, along with the initial one to oust Rudd and replace Turnbull (a popular leader of the Opposition) with Abbott (an unpopular one) demonstrates either:
      -that both parties are completely out-of-touch with what the public wants
      -both parties are completely idiotic
      -or both parties don’t care what the public want.

      Whatever the reason, it’s pretty sad when you desperately don’t want to vote because no matter who you vote for, you will be voting for an idiot!

    • M.S. says:

      04:28pm | 27/02/12

      Since when was backstabber Turnbull ever popular? He lasted how long?
      It’s sad when people make silly statements.
      Abbott is unpopular with the media, but for those of us who atually know Abbott (and several other MPs including Lib and Labor and Greens) Abbott is the only man in fed politics at present who has the integrity and intelligence to help this country. He cares about Australians NOT himself.
      I’m surprised that his party had the common sense to elect him as leader despite the media constantly casting everything he says and does in a bad light.
      Irrespective of what the media says he has my vote next election!

    • M.S. says:

      04:28pm | 27/02/12

      Since when was backstabber Turnbull ever popular? He lasted how long?
      It’s sad when people make silly statements.
      Abbott is unpopular with the media, but for those of us who atually know Abbott (and several other MPs including Lib and Labor and Greens) Abbott is the only man in fed politics at present who has the integrity and intelligence to help this country. He cares about Australians NOT himself.
      I’m surprised that his party had the common sense to elect him as leader despite the media constantly casting everything he says and does in a bad light.
      Irrespective of what the media says he has my vote next election!

    • JT says:

      05:23pm | 27/02/12

      According to channel 7 word on the street just now in the news, Abbott is preferred PM 2-1 over Gillard so I wonder where the polls get their results as they don’t seem to be replicated on the street in marginal seats (Penrith/Hurstville).

    • antman says:

      07:42pm | 27/02/12

      or, having worked with Rudd, and having first-hand knowledge of his inability to organise the proverbial root in a brothel, as opposed to seeing only his public persona on Sunrise and in carefully orchestrated public appearances, the ALP caucus took the honourable option and chose competence and the delivery of actual government for the remaining life of the Parliament over misguided popularity.

      The public often don’t possess all of the relevant facts and are very often wrong. That’s why we delegate the business of government to other people (Representatives and Senators) who have the responsibility to become informed on issues so that they can make judgements as to what is in the public’s best interests. It’s called representative deomcracy. What just took place in the ALP is similar, just on a smaller scale.

    • jolly says:

      09:00pm | 27/02/12

      MS, the media is in the pockets of the Liberals. Look at Andrew Bolt, for one and all the shock jocks at the moment, including Murdoch papers.  Good old Rinehart is also behind Abbott. The truth is, in spite of media backing, and his intelligence, Abbott is his own worst enemy. By the way, cranial intelligence does not equate to political intelligence. His claim that he is “Howard’s and Bishop’s love child” does him no favors, either. His constant recall of the Howard era is detrimental to his own forward momentum. He has such ultra conservative views and his obsession with border protection and his mean, cruel and inhumane attitudes towards the refugee problems is simply terrifying to ordinary, moderate Aussies. He is perceived as being anti migrants, without realising that he too is a migrant, unless, unknown to us, he has some Aboriginal blood. So, please don’t blame the media for Abbott’s unpopularity..

    • Kat says:

      11:46pm | 28/02/12

      @ altman

      You are right, the public don’t get the facts on these matters. That’s what parliament is there to examine, and the media (press gallery) to report.

      The conversations between PM Rudd and prospective PM Gillard in 2010 if they went to matters of administration of the government as they now claim, were the proper purview of parliamentary committees and they ought to have been examined in detail through that system and reported to the house. The idea that these conversation were protected or private is ludicrous.

      A parliament with this much independent representation that didn’t seek to provide this transparency so shortly after the events occurred, is a poor example of our democracy.

      If not now, then when can we ever hope to have “facts” from our political representatives.

    • Don C says:

      10:22am | 29/02/12

      Which section of the media chooses what level of detail of Parliamentary work to report is partly a matter for them, and the apparent interest of the audience.

      In the first place, a very great deal of Parliamentary work is not only recorded faithfully on the Australian Parliament site, but also published formally in print.

      As far as media broadcast or report goes, the work of Parliament is in fact broadcast at length, verbatim (word for word, without interference) on radio, TV and online through the Parliamentary Broadcasting Service via ABC resources - a long-standing non-partisan arrangement made after due Parliamentary deliberation, not by audience popularity or media editorial bent or bias.

      The record includes the sittings of the House, the Senate, and the various Committees.

      Most of these, including the work of Committees, are not only published and broadcast, but carried out in full public view. Anyone who cares to can observe, or browse, read and consider as they choose. And, in many cases of Committee work, by public submission, as sought by media advertisement and the like.

      Further, Parliament, the Senate and the Reps have a range of carefully developed and clearly documented rules of process and procedure. The relevant Handbooks and Guides are readily available to all, via the Australian Parliament site.

      The various guides include the scope & procedures of the work of the various Committees and the scope of the long established provision of Cabinet Confidentiality . The breadth and depth of these provisions have been thrashed out in public, in Parliament,  over many many years. 

      Senior Members and Senators of ALL PARTIES are keenly aware of the scope and limits of Committee processes and examinations, and of the extent of the provision for Cabinet Confidentiality - which extend between Ministers beyond the Cabinet Room. 

      Cabinet Confidentiality, established and well-documented by Parliament itself over decades, has stood the test of time both here and in for example, the UK. The provision enables the work of Cabinet - of ANY Party - to proceed with the frankest of exchanges - in private. Whichever Party is in Office, I’d expect the extent of Cabinet Confidentiality to be be generally respected and guarded carefully - it isn’t ludicrous.

      The very same provisions, scope and procedures apply, WHICHEVER Party or Parties are in office or in Opposition.

      To suggest that a Parliamentary Committee ought to have, but failed, to examine private conversations between a Prime Minister and another senior Cabinet Minister carries a grave and unavoidable implication: that the Committee was either incompetent or corrupt.

      If the suggestion is that the extent of Cabinet Confidentiality is being deliberately misapplied, that too would set a most dangerous precedent, the implications of which are far from clear.

      If either were genuinely thought to be the case, the course is clear. Anyone seriously proposing either case should bring their complaint to the attention of any or all of the following:
      the President of the Senate,
      The Speaker of the House of Representatives,
      the Prime Minister,
      the Leader of the Opposition,
      The Leader of the House and
      their local member.

      Before making such a grave claim based in real or in feigned ignorance (which seems to be the more probable here), they’d be well-advised to avail themselves of the various freely available published handbooks and Guides first.

    • Kat says:

      11:00am | 29/02/12

      Don, your recent post seems to be directed to my comment, in which case you miss my point entirely and opine on matters not in issue.

      At the time in 2010, the line was that it was matters internal to party and the government had lost its way. JG insisted these matters were private and between her and KRudd.

      She now says that it is the case that government was paralysed, chaotic, and dysfunctional. The parliamentary enquiries should start in response to those admissions, as it goes to the proper and effective governing of the country, not internal party politics, which arguably might be private.

      The media cannot report on matters which have not occurred. The degree of independent representation at its highest ever levels, should support enquiries into how the issues of chaos and paralysis and dysfunction occurred, what might be necessary to avoid them in the future, and actually look to see if it’s a broken or weakened system rather than personality contest that has contributed to the carnage.

      To do so would be evidence of the strength of our democracy, not put it at risk. It’s not like a no confidence motion, it’s actually trying to see if politicians together could be part of the solution, not part of the problem. If intellectually you refute my premise, then do you support any sort of post action review after catastrophe? Bush fires, floods, etc,

      It’s about finding out if theres a better way, or if something isn’t working why…, human ingenuity is built on the concept, we should not shy away from it, ever.

      So, I await your response, which will no doubt be in full support of JG, because that’s all you have consistently shown your support for, whether you are formally affiliated or not. But beware the principles you forego in that support, you may want them back another day.

      I say this because I have consistently posted that transparency from politicians and media alike strengthens our democracy, and actually weakens the he said she said, partisan rubbish, but lifts everyone to vote freely based on informed choice. That’s the democracy I support, whichever side ultimately gets the number 1 in the ballot paper is irrelevant.

    • Ian1 says:

      03:39pm | 27/02/12

      What now?  Well if Mark Abib’s actions are anything to go by, how many other Members might Gillard prevent from slipping through her clutches?

      The ‘cut and run’ strategy is not just a minority-government nightmare, it is the ALP powerbrokers who are implementing it and as evidenced, is well underway…

    • evelyn says:

      03:43pm | 27/02/12

      Alas you underestimate Julia. She knows that the best way to rid Australia of its national identity and its conservative base is to emulate them with her fake footy and sport enthusiasm, lull them into a false sense of security with her bogan accent and then open the door to mass immigration, ramp up muultiuculturalism and hand out baby bonuses and family payments.  The uncapped student and 457 visa scheme, multilculturalism, Tribunals which are charged with inciting racism, through muticulturaism, finding it, then prosecuting it, will socially re-engineer Australia until her reign along with the world Government Greens, becomes entrenched permanently. It is simply a race against time with each new boat arrival, every person made welfare dependent through her disastrous policies, every baby born to a welfare dependent immigrant or other family, and every person cowed into submission through political correctness. And guess what. I have never and will never vote Liberal who will achieve the same end through different methods and with different motives - greed and economic Darwinism. There is no one to vote for now. Our nation is lost. Wake up. Demand change before it is too late. Conspiracy theory? Maybe. Or maybe not.

    • Karin says:

      03:45pm | 27/02/12

      “Ooops but under Gillard’s Labor there is no God. “

      thank christ for that!

    • evelyn says:

      03:45pm | 27/02/12

      Alas you underestimate Julia. She knows that the best way to rid Australia of its national identity and its conservative base is to emulate them with her fake footy and sport enthusiasm, lull them into a false sense of security with her bogan accent and then open the door to mass immigration, ramp up multiculturalism and hand out baby bonuses and family payments.  The uncapped student and 457 visa scheme, multiculturalism, Tribunals which are charged with inciting racism, through multiculturalism, finding it, then prosecuting it, will socially re-engineer Australia until her reign along with the world Government Greens, becomes entrenched permanently. It is simply a race against time with each new boat arrival, every person made welfare dependent through her disastrous policies, every baby born to a welfare dependent immigrant or other family, and every person cowed into submission through political correctness. And guess what. I have never and will never vote Liberal who will achieve the same end through different methods and with different motives - greed and economic Darwinism. There is no one to vote for now. Our nation is lost. Wake up. Demand change before it is too late. Conspiracy theory? Maybe. Or maybe not.

    • Reader says:

      04:33pm | 27/02/12

      Sounds like your brain fluid is leaking, better see doctor.

    • Monty says:

      04:39pm | 27/02/12

      No offense Evyelyn. But you’re absolutely bloody bonkers.

    • jolly says:

      04:49pm | 27/02/12

      Oooops! You sound sooooo xenophobic Evelyn. Brrrrr! Shivers! God forbid! Such hatred, such fear. We are all migrants, Evelyn, bar our Aboriginal brothers & sisters. We are what we are due to our multicultural, cosmopolitan make up. We are better and stronger as a nation because of this. Let’s not cut our nose to spite ourselves. Our current gripe is with the Labor fiasco and their disrespect of each other and worse still, their disrespect of the public. Gillard is also a migrant, so is Abbott’s forefathers and Rudd’s great grandparents. We came from England, Scotland, Welsh, Ireland, Greece, Italy, Vietnam, China, India, Indonesia, and every nook and comer of the globe. Our culinary richness knows no limit. Our Anglo-Saxon-Celtic and Aboriginal culture is all the richer because we also have in our mist a kaleidoscope of other cultures and colours. What is important is that we maintain our basic Australian values of “a fair go”, “giving a hand to those who desperately need help”, our Christian (Universal) core values of being “a neighbour” and our common language. Our one common language is the glue that binds all of us as a nation. Let us refrain from beating up refugees. We are by our affiliation to the UN bound by international law to accept (certain percentage) of refugees. Illegal immigrants should not be clouded with refugees. Your loathing and venom for the refugees scares the s### out of me. It reflects poorly on us as a nation with Christian values. If we go on with such hatred, we’ll be no better that the Talibans & Al Qaeda who are bent on the destruction of all that is good in the civilized world.
      Let’s focus on our deceitful politicians and get this wonderful nation of ours back on track.

    • evelyn says:

      11:58pm | 27/02/12

      Good I have your attention. Now read further and try to learn. People underestimate Julia. She knows that the best way to rid Australia of its national identity and its naturally conservative self-reliant base is to emulate them with her fake footy and sport enthusiasm, lull them into a false sense of security with a bogan accent and then open the door to mass immigration, ramp up multiculturalism, create unemployment through her carbon taxes or immigration policies and then hand out compensation, welfare, baby bonuses and family payments in return for votes.  The uncapped student and 457 visa scheme (which the Libs introduced and support), multiculturalism (again Libs support) Tribunals which are charged with inciting racism, through multiculturalism, finding it, then prosecuting it (Vics Libs have never repealed there’s), will socially re-engineer Australia until her feminist Marxism reigns, with the help of the world Government Greens, and becomes entrenched permanently unless she is stopped by our democracy.

      Most free marketeers want open borders too. It is simply a race against time with each new boat arrival and dodgy visa (which the Libs have guaranteed by failing to pass legislation), every person made welfare dependent through her disastrous policies, every baby born to a welfare dependent immigrant or other family (collecting family payment A and B which Howard had a version of and Abbott would keep), and every person cowed into submission through political correctness. I have never and will never vote Liberal (and will never again vote ALP or Green) who will achieve the same end through slightly different methods and with different motives - greed, open door free market extremism and economic Darwinism. I reject racism. There is no-one to vote for now. Our nation is lost unless we wake up and demand common sense and moderation. Immigration? Yes but very carefully controlled. Plural diversity? Yes but no multiculturalism. Welfare ? Yes but families must be self-reliant. No more positive discrimination unless absolutely exceptional. No more lifetime welfare. We must have full employment not simply manipulate the statistics. Yes to moderate civic nationalism and social cohesion. Self-reliance for rich and poor alike, no more privatising profits and socialising losses. Demand change before it is too late. Conspiracy theory? Or new enlightened constituency? Get busy censoring and labelling. Most know only party loyalty not loyalty to nation. Plurality of views? Hypocrites.  Now are you confused. Can’t label me now. Forced to think? Australia is a sovereign nation. International law does not override domestic law. You don’t even know your own legal system and constitution. There is no jus cogens rule preventing refoulement. Attaching an offensive label is not argument.

    • evelyn says:

      07:48am | 28/02/12

      Thank you Jolly. You have done a better job than I could to illustrate the reason why the Greens/ALP have damaged the ALP brand and consigned them to political oblivion for years. Using allegations of racism, hatred etc to stifle free speech is abhorred by most ordinary Australians and has backfired. Australia could renounce the refugee convention tomorrow (and should) and control its immigration and refugee programs how it likes but humanely. It could if it wished apply a tougher definition to allow only genuine refugees not the open door definition that applies now. The UN can do nothing.  The Migration Act allows but does not oblige taking refugees. Prove your case if you disagree. Show he the provision that obliges refugees to be taken. I challenge you. Leave Indigenous people out of this. They are not to be equated to refugees or immigrants. They are our first people entitled to special measures and greater rights based on their long continuous prior occupation. Why are you so scared? Is it because you fear that your ideas are wrong? Or that my leaking brain may still be far superior to yours?  Thank you Punch for allowing my free speech.

    • Joel B1 says:

      03:51pm | 27/02/12

      So, looking back with Arbib resigning it runs like this.

      Julia got her mates to verbal and niggle Kevin at every opportunity. She didn’t have the guts to do it herself.

      Kevin finally saw that he couldn’t be an effective FM for Australia without the support of the back-stabbing and cowardly PM Julia.

      So Kevin resigns and Julia’s mates goad him into running for PM without the benefit of several months of sly, behind the scenes betrayal like Julia did to him.

      Kevin loses and Julia thinks, wrongly, that she’s snow-white.

    • Troy says:

      04:15pm | 27/02/12

      Hmmm sounds an awful lot to me like one of the knifers got knifed, pity he’s a senator and not a member of the house

    • random says:

      04:07pm | 27/02/12

      There is no conceivable way in which this version of government offers the Australian people the so-called “stability of Government” that Oakeshott and Windsor spoke of when engineering Labor’s ascent to power.

      Whilst it would amount to professional suicide, both of them should be looking towards “no confidence” - not because it favours the Coalition, but entirely because the fractured and divided parliamentary Labor Party cannot achieve the aim of government - to represent and serve the people.

      In all of the introspective discussions resulting from the leadership contest, Labor ministers frequently discussed the requirement to serve the party and serve the PM, but on only one occasion did a minister talk of serving the electorate - and even that was a subsidiary concession mentioned after party and PM.

      As for the Independents, whilst they have undoubtedly won many concessions for their individual electorates, one should now be re-visiting whether the current political arrangements (and the fractured nature of the Government) serve the whole electorate.

    • Pat says:

      04:24pm | 27/02/12

      Since we have just heard the announcement that Mark Arbib has resigned, it starts to really open up another part of the subject. If some Labor members stay ., swimming around in Gillard’s vicious and toxic atmospheric soup:, for long - what happens, regarding their subsequent work career? Some surely do face,  getting voted out at the next election. By staying and badly mouthing off - defending the indefensible political situation , it will look a hell of a lot like they lack basic human intergrity whenever they present their business CV later, for new employment.elsewhere.  Some Labor elected members are surely, already weighing up those pros and cons of how to set about, reclaiming their life, That is :whether they should walk now and leave behind ...Captain Gillard and her doomed political ship,.before it actually hits the election iceberg, up ahead

    • sick of the liar says:

      04:34pm | 27/02/12

      gillard will always be known as the person who demands loyalty while never giving it. .. the australian public will show their displeasure at such a vile disgusting woman been pm at the next election.  the independents will not have a say ever again

    • jolly says:

      09:16pm | 27/02/12

      Hear, hear! Well said ‘sick of the liars’

    • The Radical Feminist says:

      04:37pm | 27/02/12

      What now ? Labor crushes Liberal 71 to 31 in the next federal election
      Read our lipstick. No more Male Prime Ministers!
      Males are dead wood that belongs in the second millenium!

    • George Naumovski says:

      04:37pm | 27/02/12

      Congratulations PM Julia Gillard on the leadership ballot and continue to lead the ALP and be the Prime minister of Australia. Congratulations on the reforms, policies implemented and many more to come. Now the ALP should unite so to claim Victory at the 2013 election and beyond because no matter what all ALP MP’s, members and supports should do all they can to stop the Liberal winning state/federal office!

    • Mack says:

      09:22pm | 27/02/12

      Er, just watch the result of the Queensland election, George. It might give you some idea of what the Gillard government can look forward to.

    • SimonTigey says:

      09:28pm | 27/02/12

      Cmon George, even the most left biased political analyst gives Labor virtually no chance next election. Labor will not get away with implementing the worlds largest carbon tax against the will of the people. Labor continue to ignore the wishes of the people, but this is their fatal mistake. The people are adamant it will not occur.

      I expect Labor to fight though but it will be futile unless they dump the carbon tax, yet the long term survival of Labor depends on the carbon tax, because without the Greens they are nothing. What we will see is the last death cry of a political party fighting for relevance and survival!!!

    • Random says:

      07:54am | 28/02/12

      George… Labor’s job (and Coalition also) is not to defeat the opposition, it is to serve the Australian people.

      It is the “defeat the opposition” mentality that makes our adversarial system so hopeless at the moment, and why Labor’s constant focus between crisis is on serving itself rather than the Australian people at all levels of Government.

    • Diva says:

      04:47pm | 27/02/12

      So fed up with the lot of them. 

      Where is Malcolm Turnbull when you need him?

    • jolly says:

      09:24pm | 27/02/12

      Where is Malcolm Turnbull, indeed! Come on Liberal party, do the right thing and place yourself in a position for a landslide Liberal victory and a majority government by having Turnbull as your front man. Don’t miss this golden opportunity. Start today, for the coming election. As a former labor supporter, I am ready for a change with a moderate Liberal.

    • Julia says:

      09:35pm | 27/02/12

      Surprised to see so many believing Turnbull is the solution. Perhaps he has more experience now but he was out of his depth when he was Opposition Leader. Abbott had the strength to stand up and reject Labor’s awful policies and essentially defeated Rudd.

    • dave says:

      05:02pm | 27/02/12

      Why are we focusing on a poll about Rudds popularity.  When he was in the job he was a disaster.  When you are jet setting around the world you dont get blamed for much and it is easy to look good.  And besides the average Labor voter would probably prefer Sponge Bob Square Pants to Gillard or Rudd.  Probably with good reason.

    • Steven says:

      07:19pm | 27/02/12

      So….David Penberthy believes that all that was needed was for Labor to “explain” why Rudd was knifed and everything would have been rosy, or at least rosier? That they could convince the electorate that the reasons for his knifing were due to his ascerbic and controlling leadership style, and not the powerbroking of union-thick right-factions who felt he wasn’t the man to undertake their agendas in parliament??

      What mugs do they, and Mr. Penberthy, take us for?

      Gillard is a leader who is yet to be given a mandate by the Australian people and most likely never will. Being more affable with your colleagues, concessional with interest groups, and obsequious to factions may make you popular in the caucus, but it does not make you the leader that will lead Labor out of the morass.

      In that regard, the search for a new leader, a real leader, has only just begun.

    • jean says:

      08:14pm | 27/02/12

      Gillard trashed Rudd’s reputation and now starts talking about his legacy!  Too late Juliar, you are a liar and will say anything to stay in power.  Can’t wait to wipe the smirk off you face.

    • SimonTigey says:

      09:19pm | 27/02/12

      Well the next few Newspoll’s will be interesting. Expect Labor’s primary vote to drop sharply. I give her 3 months maximum.

      Labor have no vision or policies, their key achievements are the passing of Greens or union based legislation. Yet, strangely Labor blame Tony Abbott for their total lack of policy.

      It also seems clear to most that Labor are only in power to continue the perks and build up the generous parliamentary pension.  Labor are only governing for themselves, the Greens and the unions. What’s best for the nation doesn’t even get considered.

      No sane person listens to anything Gillard says anymore, how can anyone trust a woman that makes Pinnochio look like an honest fella!!!!

    • Zac says:

      09:39pm | 27/02/12

      Any one doubt KARIN is a paid labor party faceless woman?

    • Mouse says:

      01:52pm | 28/02/12

      apparently Karin is not a woman!

    • Jolly says:

      10:56pm | 28/02/12

      If KARIN is not a woman ( says Mouse), does that mean that KARIN is “a paid labor faceless ..”  man? Help me out here, Zac & Mouse. I am soooo confused. Hmmm. I reaaaaly need to know ... this world shattering information. Any one?

    • Darren says:

      10:07pm | 27/02/12

      In all these comments supporting the Gillard government, those that talk about achieving good government, and getting policy through parliament, one thing seemingly has escaped their attention. Any government that is elected, is elected with a mandate to implement the policy it took before the electorate. It is not elected to implement policy that it categorically denied it would implement i.e. a carbon tax. Gillard, and the government she leads, blatantly lied to its voters. I have voted Labor for the last 30 years, and the last election was the last time I will ever vote for them again. They have lost me, along with so many Labor voters I know and talk to. I have always believed that Labor policy was based on looking after the disenfranchised, yet this government, so desperate to hang on to power, betrayed it’s electorate by pandering to the Greens and the Independants, introducing policy to parliament, driven by people who didn’t vote Labor, and in fact, are politically opposed to much that Labor and its voters hold dear.

      No, we don’t vote for a PM, we vote for a political party, because we want that party to reflect our ideals in the policy decisions they make, not the ideals of a different party. Anyone that would try to argue that who the political figurehead is is unimportant, has lost any grasp on political reality. The last 40 years of Australian politics (particularly Labor) shows that Australian voters have trouble delineating between Leader and policy. Whitlam as the charismatic leader with “It’s time”, Hawke the loveable larrikin with a world beer drinking record, Rudd with his popularity via his exposure on Sunrise and other media. These men all lead Labor to victory after years in the wilderness, based as much, if not more, on their popularity with the common voter as it was on their policy. Do not confuse all people disillusioned with this Labor government as uninformed, cult of personality types. Many of them are lifelong supporters of a party that was supposed to represent their best interests, and yet decided when things got tough, to ignore their heartland and pander to political opponents in a desperate bid to maintain power.

    • youdy beaudy says:

      12:48am | 28/02/12

      A bit unfair to Julia there, Penbo. What you didn’t say was that Julia Gillard recently won a general election even tho by only 1 seat. Then the independents went with her. She has been constantly been put down since then by the faceless men of the Liberal Party. Had the same win happened to Tony Abbott he would have tripped over and danced the hoochy koo while grabbing the opportunity. Then the independents would have been put forward by him as the good guys rather than his mob running them down constantly.

      Today, she won and won very convincingly and Tony Abbott, mr negative to everything labor, said that 30 percent didn’t vote for her and that was just to continue with his negative speil. But Tone, she won by by a very large margin. A much bigger margin than you did against Malcolm.! Why not congratulate her like a man would, and look at the huge win she had, not focus on the negative small number that didn’t vote for her.

      Any decent opposition leader would have stood up like a man and congratulated her. I think that Malcolm would have but not you Tony, because that would have let the public you love so much see a positive for her from you, and that would have made it seem that you supported her in even some small way.

      Therefore, any vaguely intelligent person would say to you in response that 49 percent of your party don’t want you in mate. So, with that in mind and knowing Australian Politics and the Liberal idea that they are the only ones that can govern i think that you days are numbered.

      Yes, Labor has been through the fire and Julia has survived. How tough does she have to be before she gets some cudos, even just for standing for what she believes in. She won and good on her. Now she can go on and do her job.

      Tonys time is coming soon. The flow on from this to the Liberals will be very interesting for all to watch. I would be very interested to see what happens when the shite hits the fan in the Liberal Party. We had better watch the Punch pages to see whether they put as much venom towards Abbott as they did towards Julia.! Tony, your days are numbered, and you will end up on the back bench like Kev. How stupid was Kevin in throwing away his career like he did.!

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      11:08am | 28/02/12

      Good on ya - dead right!
      Not only that Abbott like most of the ani-republicans, does not appreciate the Australian Constitution. The prime minister is elected by the majority in parliament not “The People.” And whether by one vote or unanimously. Democracy requires a simple majority - Suck it up Tone.
      Gillard is not the head of state “The English Queen is!” Gillard is the leader of the parliamentary party that happens to hold the majority of seats and can therefore guarantee to carry a vote in the lower house - she then recommends a ministerial team to the queen endorsed by the queen’s representative the GG to advise the queen on how to run the country.
      What is it that people the don’t understand about a monarchy.
      The people do not elect the Australian Head of State that position is hereditary and held by a ex-German Monarchy in England. The people do not elect prime ministers.
      Until we become a republic we will never elect our head of state; we elect members to represent us (and our constituency) in the Australian parliament which in fact advises the queen on how to rule this country.
      This may not be the de jour way our government works, but it is so in fact.

    • marley says:

      12:40pm | 28/02/12

      @Dieter Moeckel - before you go lecturing the rest of us about what is and is not democracy, maybe you should learn a few facts.

      The Australian Constitution grants the royal powers to the GG, not to the Queen.  When the Queen visited back in the 1950s, they actually had to pass a law to say she could exercise those powers when she was in the country, because the Constitution made no provision for her exercising them at all. 

      The GG is the head of state.  And neither the GG nor the Queen “rules” Australia.  The Constitution and our statutes, the Parliament and the Courts rule Australia.  The head of state has very little say in the governance of this country (or indeed of any Westminster style democracy).  It is the head of government who counts.

      And no, “democracy” doesn’t require a simple majority.  Many countries are governed by people and parties who got less than 50% of the total vote.  Some are governed by parties who have less than 50% of the seats.  Ours is an example, the UK is another, and Canada has had 9 or 10 minority governments over the years.

      And under the Westminster system it is the leader of the largest party who becomes Prime Minister.  He or she is elected in Australia by the members of the party caucus, not by Parliament. Certainly, Tony didn’t get a vote yesterday on who would lead the ALP.  Oh, and some political parties in other Westminster democracies choose their leaders through party conventions open to all members of the party, so that the PM is not in fact elected by caucus, never mind by Parliament.

    • margaret says:

      04:47am | 28/02/12

      The sad fact of the matter is that NOTHING will change , David ;  shuffle , shuffle , blah , blah , blah ......BUT ,  ’  the same jockey is riding the horse ’  and she is , to put it politely , untruthful .......
      If , in private enterprise , you tried to operate a company where one third of the staff were despised by two thirds of the staff and the BOSS was a manipulator of the finest order , what would be the chances of good outcomes ????  I rest my case .......

    • robynne says:

      06:33am | 28/02/12

      ARBIB resign?  mabey from the public veiw, he has always been a backroom   boy at SUSSEX STREET and that won’t change.He will go back to doing what he does best in secret !It will be interesting to see what job he does do but we all know this is all for show!

    • Blair says:

      07:35am | 28/02/12

      Some little time ago Bob Brown lectured the media and told them that they had to stop character assasinations of politicians. I wonder where he was during last week when the Labor clowns decimated each other in public and begged the press to quote them, photograph them and record them. As for Arbib he has gone no where except back to NSW to continue his insideous underhand manipulations. He’s like the snivelling sniggering kid that hangs around the playground toilets. Its over for Gillard Shorten Swan and Combet. If Shorten rolls Gillard that means the Governor-General would have to resign.

    • Jolly says:

      11:27pm | 28/02/12

      Blair, the next news about Arbib may perhaps sound something like this from our Acting Foreign Minister (Emerson): “Arbib has been appointed as the Ambassador to the US as Kim Beasley returns home to his ‘crying children’” Let’s not worry about Arbib, he will certainly be well looked after ... cushy jobs for the boys.
      I do admire Beasley, though. He has a great intellect and is a moderate.  He is in the category of the Labor greats such as Whitlam, Hawke (though not his last few years as PM), and Keating. They were visionaries and lead this nation through many admirable changes. My admiration for their far-sighted policies, their courage, their leadership qualities compelled me to vote Labor again and again until the Gillard maneuver over Rudd and the subsequent public blood letting. The Labor that appealed to some of us (non-union professional groups) is DEAD. Gillard murdered labor. The public will remember this for a looooong time.

    • Ajay says:

      10:30am | 28/02/12

      “For all this though, it worked. The numbers were brilliant for Gillard.”

      Wrong numbers, though. Caucus doesn’t elect the next government.

    • Cho Chop says:

      03:51pm | 28/02/12

      Call Election now.
      She has problem with legitimacy of her Prime Minister position. She must call election to get mandate to govern the Country.
      If the Australian peoples are accepted her rightful Prime Minister of Australia and then they will vote for her. Otherwise, she needs to pack up and say good bye to Australian peoples.

    • Don C says:

      05:25pm | 28/02/12

      Very amusing.

      Either you know nothing of our country’s democratic system or you are trying on a little colorful fakery.

      It doesn’t matter which.

      Under the robust provisions of our Australian Westminstyer electoral and parliamentary systems, Prime Minister Gillard’s position is entirely and unquestionably legitimate, as is that of her Labor government. Wholly, completely, unequivocally legitimate.

      This week, Prime Minister Gillard again won a resounding victory under the usual Party provisions for endorsing leadership, confirming her own authority and legitimacy - as the regular work of our Parliament this week shows.  And just as the proper processes for resolving Parliamentary Parties disagreements provide - for all Parties.

      As a result of evenly balanced major party seats, reflecting exactly a free and fair election in 2010, PM Gillard’s government conitnues to work confidently as a stable working majority, with carefully -successfully- negotiated support from the minor parties and independents.

      All free and above board, according to proper and carefully designed due Parliamentary process, duly and properly commissioned as the Government in office by our Governor General.

      Anyone genuinely uninformed about how our democratic system actually works can always look it up for themself. Every independent source will confirm my summary.

      But it seems improbable to the last degree that Cho Chop is in any way genuine.

      Ill-advised trickery from among the lazier Opposition staffers seems rather more probable, given the usual partisan hi-jinks hereabout..

    • Jolly says:

      10:38pm | 28/02/12

      Hi Cho Chop, apparently Arbib left because his “children were crying for daddy to come home”. Emerson (the acting Foreign Minister) not only confirmed the above he also went on to claim (ABC) that a number of female Labor Ministers are under pressure form “crying children”. Well, since Gillard does not have this pressure she may go on for another 18 months. So, unfortunately for us, no “good bye to Australian people” from JG. Boo hoo hoo ... sniff, sniff!

 

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