Conservatives regard him as a treasonous anarchist who is jeopardising the security of the free world and imperilling the lives of soldiers and diplomats. Progressives hail him as a hero for his determination to ensure the unfettered release of any and every bit of political information which comes his way, by publishing cables which shed light on the conduct of wars, reveal the secret assessments of the foreign service and expose the character flaws of world leaders.

Wikileaks: all care and no responsibility

He is Julian Assange, the Queensland-born founder of Wikileaks, the renegade website which has spooked the world’s spooks and sent a shudder through government spines from Washington to Westminster, and beyond, by indiscriminately releasing thousands of diplomatic cables via the internet.

A warrant is out for his arrest, Interpol want to sit him down and shut him down, but Assange is undeterred. He is promising that his next step will be to target corporate America with a dump of internal documents which could bring down one of the biggest banks in the United States. He has also apparently obtained and is sitting on some 1500 cables relating to Australia. Who only knows what they could reveal.

Assange is one of the most divisive figures in the world today. Many of his right-wing critics are probably just acutely embarrassed at the fact that his actions so far have demolished some of the mythological foundations for the war in Iraq, energised debate about the civilian death toll in that conflict, and exploded the quaint gentlemen’s agreements which keep valid public information private about the conduct of the world’s most senior politicians.

Equally, Assange’s left-wing critics include the worst kind of relativists who have justified massively dangerous security breaches with the most undergraduate defences, saying that if America doesn’t care about issues such as the torture of suspects or the civilian death tolls in Iraq and Afghanistan, no reciprocal care should be exercised in exposing how America and its allies conduct themselves.

For those of us who have no burning ideological affiliation, and are simply interested in information, Wikileaks has thrown down a significant challenge to democracy.

In Australia, the Attorney-General Robert McClelland has this week written to news editors across the country asking them to consider whether an informal code could be drawn up to prevent the publication of information which threatens national security.

The letter which McClelland has sent is a fair-minded one which makes it clear that the Federal Government is not considering Big Brother-style legislation to punish the mainstream media for re-reporting information which has been published on sites such as Wikileaks. Indeed in these days of social media it seems kind of absurd that traditional media such as newspapers, radio and television would acquiesce to such an arrangement anyway, when the information is already out there.

And given that most Australians still access their news through the mainstream media anyway, editors should think long and hard before they agree to anything which would preclude them from publishing information which is in the public interest but which would cause discomfort or embarrassment for governments.

The main issue with Wikileaks – and it’s a massive issue – is that Assange operates as a reckless and uncritical clearing house for information where he pays no mind to its potential consequences.

Setting any moral questions aside, no commercial publisher would want to be complicit in publishing information which imperilled or cost the life of a soldier or diplomat. Assange seems untroubled by such concerns.

Through its willy-nilly dissemination of information, where identities are never protected, no thought is given to the consequences, nothing is checked or held back to weigh its possible impact on the lives of those in the field.

Many independent bloggers and critics have lauded Assange. One of the few critical pieces was published in The Globe and Mail by Canadian aid worker and former diplomat Scott Gilmore. He made some compelling points about the recklessness of Wikileaks.

When we sent the reporting cables back to the Department of Foreign Affairs, they were secret for a reason. If they were published in The Globe and Mail instead, I would have been thrown out of the country in 24 hours and the Indonesian officials would not have permitted a replacement. The local politicians would have hired a rent-a-mob to stone the Canadian embassy. Their leaders would have told the Jakarta media I was a liar and would have blamed the Timorese… the police would have arrested and killed the young teacher before the week was out. The third most common topic in the WikiLeaks cables is human rights, with American diplomats doing the same thing we were trying to do in Indonesia: Make the world a little better. That’s hard to swallow for the cyber mob that is celebrating the embarrassment being inflicted on the U.S. government this week. But the damage done to Washington is nothing compared to the pain that is about to be inflicted on the confidential sources in Russia, China and Sudan.

Gilmore’s argument is a powerful one and it exposes the problem with Wikileaks. Most of the material we have seen released this week was wholly in the public interest and did not implicate or identify anybody. It was the sort of stuff which any self-respecting editor would gleefully plaster all over the front page. The personal peccadilloes and obsessions of world leaders, the heartening disrespect which China feels for North Korea…the world is probably a better place for the release of such information. But at some point someone – a person such as Gilmore in his former professional life – could be identified or the work they are doing could be jeopardised by the indiscriminating nature of the release of this information.

Whether that warrants censorship or self-censorship in a country such as ours is an altogether deeper question.

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    • Mother Rose says:

      09:49am | 05/12/10

      Can’t wait to see Howard exposed to the light of day.

      An evil sycophant of Bush and an icon of the conservative right.

    • Ben81 says:

      12:25pm | 05/12/10

      So when the onslaught of innocuous communications come out that don’t tell you what you want to hear will you be disappointed that you don’t have a smoking gun to validate your prejudiced hatred of the man, or glad that you were wrong and things weren’t so sinister?

    • nosthow says:

      05:46pm | 05/12/10

      @Mother Rose - yes the Australian voters dealt with the Rodent MR didnt they - out he went clean bowled middle stump - didnt even see the ball ! hahahhhhhhhhhh But hey I liked the guy he was so funny. The man with no policies and no vision for Australia hung in there for quite some years - hey maybe thats where TA gets his idea from MR ? Hard to do a 2nd time though isnt it ? Poor little Benny still hasnt gotten over it !

    • A Dose of Reality says:

      05:49pm | 05/12/10

      Ben81 - LOL.

      Howard will be shi!!ing himself sloppy in his shoes!

      His whole manufactured legacy is probably going to be exposed.

    • TimB says:

      05:56pm | 05/12/10

      None of the above Ben. Rose and all the other Howard haters will still be convinced that the evidence lies out there somewhere even if Wikileaks didn’t find it.

    • acotrel says:

      06:06am | 06/12/10

      Mother Rose, You’re not insinuating that Lil’ Johnny would try to deceive us?

    • MarK says:

      06:42am | 06/12/10

      It appears we will see much more of Rudd and his views along with his slaughtering of the English languague before we see Howard.

      Probably has something to do with one guy being classy and the other a gossip. Guess which is which.

    • Joan says:

      06:58am | 06/12/10

      Rudd exposed first - full frontal ... front page news today. Looks like Rudd`s foreign minister days are over…..

    • watty says:

      07:02am | 06/12/10

      Looks like “The Mouth” Rudd “beat” Howard to the headlines yet again?

    • Joan says:

      07:42am | 06/12/10

      Rudd exposed… front page news today. Rudds job as foreign minister now impossible.

    • Rosie says:

      09:44am | 06/12/10

      Mother Rose, Rudd exposed this morning for the USA to be ready to exert force on China if the need arises.

      When Howard, Bush and Tony Blair were in control I felt safe and didn’t worry about China’s rise to power because they were strong capable leaders that took care of multilateral diplomacy in a pragmatic sense.

      Howard, an icon of the conservative right yes but an evil sycophant of Bush definitely not. The words dynamic, effective, formidable, effectual and impressive comes to mind.

      Dynamic leaders like Bush and Howard don’t have shoes thrown at them for nothing.

    • Johor says:

      10:56am | 06/12/10

      The current government, even though of the opposite political persuasion, is just as much a lackey of the USAs ruling cabal. as Howard was. What JA has done is not treason but exposure of the corruption, megalomania and lack of ethical behaviour that is sending the whole globe down the gurgler. The Pandora’s Box he has opened was filled by the people who are now fearful and angry and vengeaful noow he has let some of its contents out. Wonder if you will, what might remain to come out of that box if he turns it upside down. If he is taken out, someone else will step forward and do it. He has already said that he has made contingency plans. That is how things have always gone when the conservatives prove so blind that they cannot stop being control freaks and let go. Galileo’s case is a prime example. Look how the powers and vested interests of his time eventually had to eat humble pie. It took them 300 years. With JA it won’t take that long at all.

    • Steve_of_Cornubia says:

      10:37am | 05/12/10

      More than anything else, my main problem with Wikileaks is Assange himself, who seems to be using the site for his own gratification rather than any grand agenda. His motives aren’t clear, but to me it seems that his ego drives most of what he does, along with a simple left-wing anti-authority stance. And as seems usual with lefties, he believes HIS aims to be so pure that a few thousand deaths are a fair price to pay - provided of course that his own death isn’t included.

      Any person who would endanger others’ lives just to gain notoriety or power should be jailed.

    • Get Real says:

      12:17pm | 05/12/10

      “Any person who would endanger others’ lives just to gain notoriety or power should be jailed.”

      OK let’s round up Bush, Howard et al first then shall we?

    • MatLon says:

      01:09pm | 05/12/10

      You cannot say that the release will “cause a few thousand deaths”, how do you know that by the release of the documents, they will not actually save lives into the future with some decision based on their revelations.

      The argument that they will cost lives is an empty one…we cannot say to a certainty that they will. It’s Coke or Pepsi stuff, to suggest anything else is getting into straw-man territory.

    • thomas vesely says:

      02:16pm | 05/12/10

      he takes the flak. its him some would kill.previous disclosures have no link to loss of any life.
      authorities get out of bed to lie to you.
      rethink your indignation.

    • Expat says:

      04:16pm | 05/12/10

      Exactly which few thousand deaths would they be, Steve ? Thus far the only person whose assasination, literally, has been called for, is Assange’s. Or as Tony Abbott prefers, Assangee. How embarrassment !

    • Andrew says:

      06:28am | 06/12/10

      Your comments show you to be an extremist yourself, Steve, and therefore not to be taken seriously.

    • rudy says:

      08:18am | 06/12/10

      You’re swallowing the media and political BS, Steve. Not all politicians, though. US Secretary of Defence Gates has admitted there are no security concerns with these latest leaks. Even the earlier leaks on the ongoing war in Afghanistan haven’t produced a single case of anyone’s life endangered as a result of them.

      Open your eyes and ears and learn to recognise political propaganda when you see and hear it.

    • Johor says:

      11:01am | 06/12/10

      What deaths can JA possibly be responsible for that aren’t matched a thousand fold by the actions of the people he is upsetting. Get a sense of proportion here. There are tens of thousands of people who see what he sees as wrong with the world today, the greed and corruption and self satisfaction in high places, the diplomatic skulduggery that hasn’t changed in style in 2000 years, the complete lack of ethical sensibility. Yuck.

    • Steve says:

      12:26pm | 06/12/10

      Assange has written a manifesto of sorts explaining exactly why he does what he does.

    • michael says:

      10:42am | 05/12/10

      Oh come on.  You don’t think countries in question already know most of the stuff in these wires?  They have their own spies you know, and it’s not like they’re not a bunch of dumb hicks who couldn’t organise a root in a brothel with a handful of cash - as the us state department would have us all believe.

      The only people truly in the dark are the citizens in whose name these (sometimes illegal) acts are being perpetrated.

    • acotrel says:

      06:03am | 06/12/10

      There’s an old saying - ‘the truth will out’!  None of us like being lied to, even if it’s ‘for our own good’!

    • OchreBunyip says:

      11:04am | 05/12/10

      Since when should governments be shielded from embarrassing truths? Do you truly believe Ms Clinton would have had an attack of conscience and admitted to her spying decree to mainstream media? Or, considering it is an uncomfortable truth, if media had found out should they have suppressed it as you suggest? Perhaps some compelling points could be made about how the media have been tamed by government influence.

      When the public are told we will be under greater government tracking, regulation and observation we are glibly told “If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear”. Wikileaks could say the same about US government representatives.

    • James says:

      12:09pm | 05/12/10

      I feel that a character such as Julian Assange is a necessary backlash to the damage and mistrust caused by the secrecy and moral corruption by our world’s governments and financial and global leaders, ostensibly for the benefit of the majority but as we later realise, truly only benefit a greedy and corrupt few. Couple this with the fact that Julian Assange is a product of the internet age, whereby any kind of information is “fair game”,  and what we have now is where even the most so-called “sensitive” and confidential intelligence is out there for the whole internet community to read about and make their own judgments for themselves, as opposed to leaders deciding it for them, should they wish to do so. I personally believe that Wikileaks is a breath of fresh air, as it’s already revealing the moral bankruptcy behind the decisions made by some very powerful people. And of course they don’t like it one bit.

    • Johor says:

      11:08am | 06/12/10

      Goodonya James. I totally agree with your assessment. It is time for someone like JA to appear on the scene. He dislikes the stench of greed, corruption and lack of ethics as do many many more quiet folk around the planet. He just has the right combination of skills and drive to act. One thing to remember though - he could not have done any of it alone. He has a great deal of very skilled support. He may well be taken out at some time but the process he has spearheaded will go on. TG.

    • Ben81 says:

      09:30pm | 06/12/10

      Get real Johor, the vast majority of cables leaked (close to 100%) have absolutely zero to do with “greed, corruption and lack of ethics”.  You’re pretty much trying to defend him by lying about what’s being released,

    • Fin says:

      12:10pm | 05/12/10

      “Through its willy-nilly dissemination of information, where identities are never protected, no thought is given to the consequences, nothing is checked or held back to weigh its possible impact on the lives of those in the field.”

      You also say that Assange seems to have no scruples about endangering lives through the release of information in his possession.

      This is evidence of either poor research or poor journalism. First, there is evidence to suggest WikiLeaks, either through intermediary news organisations or directly, sought assistance from the Pentagon to help redact information released in some of its cables that could endanger the lives of certain individuals, but was knocked back. The Pentagon rejects that such an attempt was ever made. Not mentioning that there is debate over this, and simply saying WikiLeaks makes no attempt to check their information, is misleading.

      Not only this, but WikiLeaks, when releasing the Afghanistan War Logs, appears to have redacted more information than the Pentagon did when they released the same files under FOI. See http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/10/22/wikileaks.editing/.

      Seems like the person not checking their information before publishing is you, Penbo.

    • MarK says:

      12:15pm | 05/12/10

      “Conservatives regard him as a treasonous anarchist who is jeopardising the security of the free world and imperilling the lives of soldiers and diplomats.”

      I regard him as a naughty boy whose mummy has to defend him.

    • jman says:

      12:30pm | 05/12/10

      Wikileaks gave months warning in advance of exactly what they were going to release and even gave an opportunity to remove truly potentially life threatening material from their release. What I find disgusting is how stooges will use some tortured example of how someone may potentially be hurt by Wikileaks as justification for covering up how many many more have been ACTUALLY hurt by dishonest governments.

    • Joan says:

      12:44pm | 05/12/10

      `A warrant is out for his arrest, Interpol want to sit him down and shut him down, but Assange is undeterred` And when he is arrested he will come snivelling to Australian taxpayer to foot his legal bills .....the taxpayer to wipe his nose and bottom,  to clean up his mess. He would have to be pretty dumb and stupid to believe that this will not come to a sticky end. He is an egomaniac at full throttle expressed 21st century way….. in your face, look at me, the product of an over indulgent society , that always screams it is my right to do as I please..stuff the world, I know I`m right. He can get away with it in democratic society ... perhaps be arrested…. in an other time place his family members would be rounded up, sent to gulags, tortured or executed, and when they found him he would be fixed quick smart….. no long drawn out legal case there.

    • Expat says:

      05:43pm | 05/12/10

      If you’re advocating that Assange and his family should be “rounded up, sent to gulags, tortured or executed”, Joan, then don’t you and yours deserve the same fate ?

    • acotrel says:

      06:47am | 06/12/10

      Joan,The right wingers in Nazi Germany used concentration camps!

    • Joan says:

      07:33am | 06/12/10

      Expat: I`m not advocating any such thing…. read, comprehend, `an other time and place`  The gulags of Siberia were filled with not only dissenters but their families as well. Assange is lucky he is operating in a democratic state, such luxuries of expression are not available in all countries,. Just think of China today. Try reading a bit of history.

    • Grumpy says:

      09:39am | 06/12/10

      The Gulags were filled with innocent people ...Stalin’s troops didn’t discriminate who was executed, on little intelligence but hear say. People feared the night, feared the knock on the door that would lead them to be bagged and sent to these places of slavery and torture..Its like chalk and cheese to use this comparison, and incredibly flawed. Using it as an example favors what Assange is doing. Considering the millions of innocent people who died there, who wouldn’t have dissented a leadership that caused this for its people?

    • Expat says:

      11:22am | 06/12/10

      Pigs might fly, Joan. That’s clearly exactly what you’re advocating. Read your comment again.

    • Johor says:

      11:49am | 06/12/10

      Really Joan? “He is an egomaniac at full throttle expressed 21st century way….. in your face, look at me, the product of an over indulgent society , that always screams it is my right to do as I please..stuff the world, I know I`m right.” Is that what you think/believe? I wonder if you presume to be Christian. On second thoughts, maybe not. But there are many precedents in history for what JA has been doing. I can think of a fellow named Jesus for one, and Galileo for another. Their contributions to human progress have been incalculable but look at the treatment they got at the time. Think again Joan.

    • Steve says:

      12:29pm | 06/12/10

      Bull, Joan. You’re not literally saying that; you’re dog-whistling.

    • ilandrah says:

      01:00pm | 05/12/10

      Wikileaks has repeatedly asked the American government to review material prior to publishing it, in order to ensure that lives would not be placed at risk. The Americans refused, insisting that all documents should be returned. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/08/18/pentagon-rebuffs-wikileaks-request-for-help/
      I fail to see how Julian Assange can be held accountable for their lack of willingness to work with him - any blood is on their hands. Nice how the mainstream media consistently overlooks this fact, much as they do with the spurious charges against him for rape - charges that were initially dropped and then re-initiated months later. Interpol for rape—just how gullible are the worlds citizens really?
      Shame on the Australian government for abandoning yet another one of our own without charge or trial. Whilst America is an ally I think we need to understand our relationship with them and not merely bend over everytime they ask us to raise our skirts for a good ole reaming.
      Whether you agree with what has occured or not, our justice system should not allow the persecution of one of our country men in such a manner. This is political persecution, something we used to stand against.

    • Ironside says:

      01:59pm | 06/12/10

      so if someone stole your TV and sold it, then the person who purchased it wanted your help to progam it, should you help them or would you ask for the TV back. The documents in question were stolen and given to wikileaks. Regardless of the moral relativism on the left about freedom of information the fact is that the information was secret for a reason, that being it has the potential to harm the national interest (which may or may not involve the loss of life)
      Wikileaks should be shut down for reciept of and profiting from stolen goods, just the same as I would be shut down if i stole a bunch of DVD players and sold them online, or if you prefer, if i burnt thousands of copies of DVDs and sold them cheap. It doesnt matter that no one gets hurt, or that i would be helping the poor by providing a cheaper product, it would still be theft and copywrite violation. The same as wikileaks has profited by the theft of government documents and the breaching of copywrite by reprinting them.

    • MatLon says:

      01:16pm | 05/12/10

      The Mercury in Tasmania had a small piece today mentioning that Assange was essentially not welcome back into the country.

      I flipped a few pages ahead to look at the world news. Nothing on the leaks.

    • Ryan says:

      02:38pm | 05/12/10

      Perhaps you can explain this statement to me
      “Conservatives regard him as a treasonous anarchist who is jeopardising the security of the free world and imperilling the lives of soldiers and diplomats.”

      The current US government is FAR from conservative, the current Australian government is FAR from conservative, the Swedish government trumping up rape allegations is FAR from conservative. The CURRENT LEFT WING LABOR Australian government is the very same government who wants to FILTER Wikileaks.
      I am conservative and most of the people I know are the same and they like myself support the actions of Wikileaks, what is true is that throughout history it is the left wing communist governments like this one who hate freedom are the ones who hate people who release the TRUTH.

      What I find utterly ridiculous and downright offensive is how you attempt to pin the disgusting reactions of all of these governments onto “conservatives” yet there is not a conservative to speak of amongst them. Unless you can quantify that statement then this piece is nothing but low gutter propaganda masquerading as journalism.

    • acotrel says:

      10:12am | 06/12/10

      ’ what is true is that throughout history it is the left wing communist governments like this one who hate freedom are the ones who hate people who release the TRUTH.’

      I voted for the ALP, and I want to hear the truth.  The conservatives have the most to fear from it.  After all they were the ones who involved us in Iraq and Afghanistan under false pretences?

    • Ryan says:

      10:55am | 06/12/10

      acotrel: incorrect, EVERYONE got involved in that, Tony Blair would be as left wing as they come and yet he got the UK involved did he not?

    • Steve says:

      12:31pm | 06/12/10

      He’s not talking about the governments in question. He’s talking about Conservatives: Bill O’Reilly, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Mitch McConnell, Stephen Harper, the idiot posting above under the name of ‘Joan’...

    • Steve says:

      12:32pm | 06/12/10

      Tony Blair is only as ‘left wing as they come’ in a paranoid fantasy universe you’ve concocted. Blair was the one who had Clause 4 removed from the Labour Party constitution.

    • Ryan says:

      10:13pm | 06/12/10

      @Steve: is that surprising in what is essentially a communist party?

    • acotrel says:

      02:09am | 07/12/10

      I find the assertion that the US government is ‘far from conservative’, ‘utterly ridiculous’!!  Obama is about as left wing as George Brandis or Eric Abetz!

    • Ryan says:

      03:43pm | 07/12/10

      @acotrel: tell that to the conservative voters in the US, when it walks like a socialist left wing duck, quacks like a socialist left wing duck… its a socialist left wing duck!

    • St. Michael says:

      02:45pm | 05/12/10

      Back to the days of D-Notices, then, is it?

      The UK government did try that for several decades, Penbo.  Have you looked into that scheme before concluding a similar such scheme from Labor is “fair minded”? Under D-Notices, the media censored itself far better than any government threat could, and the stupid part was that the extent of that censoring was such as to suppress things that were just embarrassing to the government of the day, not related to national security.  Geoffrey Robertson’s “The Justice Game” has a chapter all about it, specifically in relation to the ABC trial—and the biggest issue in ABC was over the prosecution of a journalist, too, you might remember, for uncovering things via investigative research when other journos were content to just reprint government media releases.  How history repeats itself.

      As it is, media links arms with the government at its own peril, because the relationship requires far more ethical consideration by politicians than it does journalists.  And at best politicians always will have less ethics than journalists will—which you should not interpret as a compliment to journalists, I might add.

    • Andrew says:

      03:36pm | 05/12/10

      The problem with WikiLeaks is that it publishes information that is of interest to the public but is not necessary in the public interest. People might be interested in a the dirty laundry about a major bank but if it does result in bringing down said bank I’m not sure that it can be justified as being in the public interest to disclose the information if it means the financial security of customers of the bank will be jeopardised.

      Plus I also find it ironic that Julian Assange is apparently doing all this in the name of transparency and accountability while he himself is hiding out in a secret location. I guess he doesn’t want the principles of transparency and accountability to be applied to his own actions.

    • Fin says:

      05:20pm | 05/12/10

      I didn’t know assassination was now consider a legitimate means of holding someone accountable

    • Economist says:

      05:59pm | 05/12/10

      So your happy to lay the blame for bringing a bank down at the feet of the individual who exposes their corruption, but let those who jeopardised the banks integrity for their own short term game (i.e. possibly the executives) off the hook because it wouldn’t be in the public interest.

      How warped.

      As for Assange not being transparent and hiding out, with all those conservatives calling for his death, I think its only natural. It not like he’s hanging out in the same cave as Obama.  That would be offensive.

    • Gerard says:

      06:38pm | 05/12/10

      “I guess he doesn’t want the principles of transparency and accountability to be applied to his own actions.”

      A valid point if you ignore the fact that governments will do everything in their power to undermine transparency and accountability. Are you suggesting that Assange should announce his presence and then wait to be assassinated? It wouldn’t be ironic, but it would be bloody stupid.

    • notsurprised says:

      07:58am | 06/12/10

      He won’t be assassinated, he has more value being caught and put on trial.

    • ilandrah says:

      10:34am | 06/12/10

      He is not hiding out, British authorities have stated that they know where he is.

    • Ben in Canberra says:

      04:09pm | 05/12/10

      The hypocritical irony inherent in the majority of journalists supporting this type of leak is that they themselves, as evinced in Victoria two years ago, are willing to go to jail and be prosecuted for not revealing their sources. Why should the diplomatic corp and governments of the day not be entitled to the same privilege, and those that aid their information gathering process be entitled to the protection that anonymity affords them? The holier than thou attitude of the press when it comes to Assange is sickening. Regrettably, the same way the left support and laud Hicks, Habbib et al will continue with this criminal.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      11:09pm | 05/12/10

      Diplomatic Corp Officials or Intelligence Handlers operating under Diplomatic cover? - big difference there. My biggest fear is that intelligence agencies will start filtering black and grey propaganda through wikileaks rendering it useless.

    • Kevin Rennie says:

      04:38pm | 05/12/10

      The Australian blogosphere is divided too. A roundup at ‘WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange: Oz Hero or Villain’ http://tiny.cc/v1lvt

    • stephen says:

      04:39pm | 05/12/10

      There was no ‘weapons of mass destruction’. (Hell, even I know that.)
      There was only saddam hussein, and suburban folk, here and overseas, don’t like going to war against a bloke who seems like he loves children.
      Saddam was a psychopath who had to go, and we were told the ‘worst’ to make it easy to rid the world of a man who George Bush Snr. made promise that he wouldn’t hurt the Kurds.
      So much for words.
      ‘George double-yer’ was payback.
      The Americans can get very angry.
      Very.

    • Scott O'Flaherty says:

      05:30pm | 05/12/10

      Your assertion that Assange acts as a clearing house for this information is analogous to that of the Pentagon. However, Assange himself has suggested that the release of information is meticulous, both involving Wikileaks staff, various media groups and connected journalists. The release of information so far can not be attributed to deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq, and whilst many have blamed Wikileaks for post-election deaths in Kenya, these claims ignore the politico-ethnic divide in Kenya and the role of the Mt Kenya Mafia in maintaining the status-quo. Of all the journal articles I’ve read regarding kenya’s post-election violence, none have held Wikileaks accountable for the eruption of violence.

    • Gerard says:

      06:17pm | 05/12/10

      Governments have the power to keep certain documents secret. Sometimes this secrecy is based on protecting national interests eg security information. Often it is purely for political advantage.

      The information released by Wikileaks may sometimes compromise national interests, but it will also expose political corruption which governments are attempting to keep secret. By this standard, Wikileaks cannot be regarded as any more dangerous than the average government.

    • marley says:

      06:38pm | 05/12/10

      I find it curious that so many people are praising Wikileaks for revealing nasty little secrets about government.  The message is clear:  government must be open and accountable. Sure, I don’t have a problem with that. .

      I just wonder how many of those people praising Assange for putting the dirty laundry out there to dry,  have ever filed a request under the Freedom of Information act or its equivalents in most of the western world. An amazing amount of information is there, if you’re prepared to demand it.  Maybe not gossip about some PM’s drinking habits, or what the Ambassador thinks of the Foreign Affairs Minister, but quite a lot of information. 

      Yet we, the public, and apparently journalists as well, need to be spoon fed that information by Mr. Assange.  We’re not prepared to dig it up ourselves even though quite a lot of it is in fact accessible.

      I personally think this is an indictment of modern journalism.  And,  I must say, of people who barrack for open government but are too lazy to then go and open the information doors.

    • rufus says:

      12:35pm | 06/12/10

      Yeah, right. That’s like saying we should not rely on the media to bring us the daily news, we should go out and get it from the primary sources. BTW, Assange and wikileaks are media, not primary sources.

    • Gregg says:

      11:30pm | 05/12/10

      ” Setting any moral questions aside, no commercial publisher would want to be complicit in publishing information which imperilled or cost the life of a soldier or diplomat. Assange seems untroubled by such concerns. “

      Imperilling or costing the life of a soldier or a diplomat is as vague in regard to what Wikileaks may post as those WMD were for Iraq.
      What certainly was not so vague was the release of the bloodthirsty approach in that helicopter shooting of unarmed people.

      As for Scott Gilmore and
      ” I would have been thrown out of the country in 24 hours and the Indonesian officials would not have permitted a replacement. The local politicians would have hired a rent-a-mob to stone the Canadian embassy. “
      If Wikileaks does more to reveal such situations, it may in fact be for the better for is it not in fact revealing how attitudes and actions in some countries may not be so open.
      How much money is going to be poured into cesspools of corruption in so called developing countries just so there can be a developed world presence.
      That is something that is of interest and in the public interest and if a greater transparency is brought to bear so as all politicians do operate in the public interest rather than feathering their own nests and growing their own egos, that can only be a good thing.
      Of course he’ll be made out to be dangerous evil person for just as there can be Batman and Robin, perhaps Hillary is not looking forward to being known as Grandma Duck.
      It got widely reported that Kevin Who referred to Chinese as Rat Fuckers and that without the help of Wikileak.

      If the truth be known, Osama and the rest of the gloomy planet is probably having the best chuckle in a long while at our buffoons expense on some stuff.

    • Muzz says:

      06:18am | 06/12/10

      Interesting to hear our Prime Minister Rudd, now our Foreign Minister suggesting to United States to use force against China. Makes Howard seem like Cinderella.

    • rudy says:

      08:20am | 06/12/10

      We haven’t heard what Howard said in private, yet.

    • Phil Osopher says:

      06:45am | 06/12/10

      When will Bush be arrested?  Then I’ll know there is justice in the world.

    • Delphic Oracle says:

      06:48am | 06/12/10

      Our very own Robin Hood!  Keep riding thru the glen, Julian, and let’s hope truth with out.

    • planigale says:

      06:50am | 06/12/10

      “Federal Government is not considering Big Brother-style legislation to punish the mainstream media” punish the MM LOL! MM have the pollies for breakfast whenever they wish!
      as for the comments from the outraged and the secondary outraged - the reactionary comments and baying for blood here are in the latter - they shoot the messenger!

    • Barney says:

      07:03am | 06/12/10

      Joan - You’re an absolute shocker

    • Zeta says:

      07:55am | 06/12/10

      It takes every fibre of my being to resist the urge to quit my job, fly to Iceland, and volunteer at Wikileaks.

    • AFR says:

      08:03am | 06/12/10

      I guess it beats journos having to actually find real news stories, you know, like in the good old days.

    • Grumpy says:

      09:25am | 06/12/10

      Assange is a scapegoat for an agenda to remove our rights, filter the internet, and build a case against the freedom of information ACT’s, all to benefit the 1%‘ers…You can call it what you like, Assange is small potatoes in this thing. I wonder if he has any leaked docs about Murdoch/Bush/Cheney.

    • mary wide bay says:

      09:35am | 06/12/10

      Thanks to David for setting us right. Of course the government should control the media to keep us all safe from potentially dangerous information. In the same way that we should support the government in their search for weapons of mass destruction. Regardless if this were to erode all our human rights. Those in power are always right after all.

    • acotrel says:

      10:19am | 06/12/10

      Things were better when we had the fuedal system! The best form of government is a benign dictatorship?

    • Robin Hood says:

      10:06am | 06/12/10

      Who else will save us from Human Wrongs?

    • acotrel says:

      10:50am | 06/12/10

      I’m a bit sceptical about Wikileaks.  It could all be just part of a much bigger game?  What if the documents released were selected with a view to creating a certain effect? Or are actually the creations of fertile imaginations?  We could all be lead up the garden path!  The fact that the instigator is being sought for questioning over ‘rape’, is just laying it on a bit thick!

    • Alf says:

      11:57am | 06/12/10

      The irony of it all, is that if Julian Assange does get taken down, Wikileaks will continue as they will as business as usual. He’s not the leader of Wikileaks, but a mere representative for the media to talk to, and his removal will no doubt spawn copycats and make him into a martyr.

      Wikileaks is probably but the beginning of a new media medium seeing as how the current mainstream media has failed to keep even the most powerful governments in check.

    • acotrel says:

      04:59pm | 06/12/10

      Alf, your faith could be misplaced.  I question how the document s got into unauthorised hands.  For the inside stories to be accurately exposed is just too good to be true.

    • Alf says:

      11:57am | 06/12/10

      The irony of it all, is that if Julian Assange does get taken down, Wikileaks will continue as they will as business as usual. He’s not the leader of Wikileaks, but a mere representative for the media to talk to, and his removal will no doubt spawn copycats and make him into a martyr.

      Wikileaks is probably but the beginning of a new media medium seeing as how the current mainstream media has failed to keep even the most powerful governments in check.

    • Alistair says:

      12:07pm | 06/12/10

      I think the most interesting aspect of the Wikileaks dump is just how much the “secrets industry” considers to be secret. 400,000 + pages of which 99% is just crap. Seems to me they label the stuff just to justify what they are doing.

      Oh, and please. You must think that we are all stupid or something. Implying that Assange will cost lives.

      “Through its willy-nilly dissemination of information, where identities are never protected, no thought is given to the consequences, nothing is checked or held back to weigh its possible impact on the lives of those in the field.”

      It’s common knowledge that Wikileaks has a process in place for “redacting” names and places that might endanger. Pretty piss poor piece of writing that.

      It’s also interesting that with all the information thats been dumped over the last 4 years its not until Wikileaks threatens a “bank” that actually results in attacks on the web that shut it down in various places like Amazon etc etc.

    • acotrel says:

      05:11pm | 06/12/10

      The spooks were probably using Wikileaks to do their homework, and catch up with the other spooks? The banks probably had a bit more to lose?

    • haggis says:

      01:49pm | 06/12/10

      Who would you rather? Assange or Conroy?

    • DG says:

      03:43pm | 06/12/10

      If those are the only options can we just unplug the internet now?

    • David C says:

      02:56pm | 06/12/10

      So does this mean then that sites like Wikileaks have the right to publish anything anytime, does it mean they can publish anyone’s emails or documents. Is this another step closer to the world where there are no secrets? Isnt this just a slippery slope?
      I think a truly open world with no secrets is one of those idealogical nirvanas that sound good to some but in effect are near impossible to get to and only end up hurting a lot of innocent people bit like communism really

    • acotrel says:

      05:05pm | 06/12/10

      David C, how many innocent people did the right wing ideology Nazism, destroy?  Your snide remarks don’t help anyone.  The ALP is not ‘communist’, and the Liberal Party is only slightly ‘fascist’ !

    • David C says:

      08:31pm | 06/12/10

      Please enlighten me, where did I mention ALP or Liberal party?
      Your point re fascists is fair, they also aimed for their vision of nirvana and wasted a lot of lives along the way but I am struggling to see the bit where I mention ALP/Lib?.

    • Ryan says:

      10:19pm | 06/12/10

      @acotrel: I hate to educate you on Nazism but to put it quite simply Nazism was much closer aligned to socialism (yes the very same ideology the left wing Labor government stand for) in its essence.
      I still find it hilarious that people would think of Hitler as right wing, I guess the low left will stoop to any level to try and push their socialist / communist agenda.

    • DailyMagnet says:

      03:01pm | 06/12/10

      In the movie The Untouchables, Sean Connery’s character says the one rule about looking after good sources is, “if you want to keep a secret, don’t tell your boss.” There are a lot of people on both sides in the Wikileaks debate who should observe that rule.

      It was the cables that placed those activists at risk - the diplomats placed them at risk by naming them - why shoot the messenger? Why was Assange so willing to be their scapegoat, he could have released this info anonymously and he didn’t have to link his site to it.

      The unofficial black notice on Cablegate is because they’re going to expedite the release of Australian cables and they relate to the overly powerful and untouchable banking industry. Julia would be protecting them - not Hilary, by declaring Assange(an individual not the organization questionably) a criminal.

    • Greg says:

      10:22pm | 06/12/10

      You are over simplifying things Penbo.

      I totally support Wikileaks and Assange. I’m also happy for him to release any information he likes about John Howard, George Bush or any other politician. The more, the better.

      I don’t care what Assange’s personal motivations or politics are, or how narcisstic he may be. I support his actions to release information that exposes the truth.

      Am I a left winger now? If so, it will be the first time that anybody has ever accused me of that.

      And what do the left wingers think about all the climate change information that is now getting publicised? That’s not doing their cause any favours. Are they going to hate Assange now too?

      But even more jaw dropping was your claim to “have no burning ideological affiliation”. Oh really? What have you been smoking?

 

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