Primary school education should include introducing each and every child to the following:

An asylum seeker child jumps into life in Australia. Pic: Simon Cross

- A broad range of races and cultures, particularly Aboriginal people (young and old, from the city and the desert).
- People with disabilities.
- Men and women from each major religion, some of the minor religions, and some people without religion.
- Gay people of each gender and maybe someone inbetween.

And - to bring us to the matter at hand - asylum seekers and refugees.

Inverbrackie, in the wet and green Adelaide Hills, is now home to 81 asylum seekers. Eventually 400 will be living in the surplus army barracks.

A timeline of public sentiment in Inverbrackie is a clear example of how information, education and exposure help people come to terms with something new.

Ignorance - in the sense of lacking knowledge, not of stupidity - allowed fear to fill the vacuum. But as the locals have come to better understand the situation, that fear has all but evaporated.

In October, the Federal Government made the surprise announcement that families would be taken out of detention and moved into detention-lite, `softer’ centres in WA and SA.

The initial details of the plan were sketchy, leaving people confused and divided. The State Governments had apparently been kept in the dark too, and were made to look foolish by the announcement from on high.

Various parties quickly leveraged the resultant division for political gain. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said the ``idyllic’’ surrounds of Inverbrackie were akin to rolling out a ``red carpet’’ to people smugglers.

The groundswell of resistance was for a short time bolstered by the Australia First Party, who gabbled on about a ``refugee invasion’‘. Their website rails against ``unarmed invaders and parasites’‘.

But then, gently, the tide started to turn. Partly (I like to think) because the locals strongly rejected Australia First and their ugly pamphleteering.

Also because the Government started filling in the multiple blanks.

So on the weekend families started arriving and were, in general, welcomed.

The more information, the less fear.

Centacare director Dale West said the campaign against the centre seemed to have stopped:

``Once these people actually move in, they become human faces,’’ he said.

``Not many people can look at an 11-year-old girl who’s got one arm because she’s had the other one ripped off in Sri Lanka and say: `Go away, we don’t want you’.’‘

This is not about policy. There’s been plenty of policy debate already. It’s just about removing that fear of the unknown.

And the simplest and most effective way to do that into the future is by exposing children to all the variety of the human race from an early age.

I’ve written before that with new puppies you get, literally, a check list of things to expose them to in their first months.

It includes people with different skin colours, bicycles, thunder, men in hats.

This helps ensure they are not surprised, frightened and therefore aggressive later on when they come across strange new things.

Some of the asylum seeker children now living in Inverbrackie will be going to local schools.

It would be a fair bet that the children already in those schools will have absorbed the community’s conflicting messages.

Who knows what that does to a young mind, which can be curious and welcoming but can also be full of fear of the unknown.

So with any luck that fear will be eradicated once they’re meeting the asylum seeker children in the playground, sitting next to them in the classroom, sharing their food and their stories.

Evolution has left us with a tendency towards tribalism, a tendency that should be overcome through education, starting with children.

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    • Eric says:

      05:19am | 21/12/10

      More of the same. High-minded moralising about what an ignorant, xenophobic, selfish bunch we all are. All these endless diatribes achieve is to irritate the people you are trying to reach.

      Here’s an idea. Stop lecturing and do something. Sponsor a refugee under Section 140 of the Migration Act, at your own expense. Then you can get your warm fuzzies without wrecking the country for the rest of us.

    • James1 says:

      08:03am | 21/12/10

      Why do you equate mixing with people different to yourself with wrecking the country Eric?  I am curious - please elaborate.

    • Jim says:

      08:49am | 21/12/10

      Agree Eric….it’s about time the intelligentsia (newspeak for pretentious arts degree holder) stopped using our kids for their own twisted social experiments.
      Let kids be kids!

    • Tombowler says:

      08:52am | 21/12/10

      @James1

      Are you serious mate? You don’t see the latent contradiction between arguing that gay/straight/black/white etc are superficial at the most and have no effect on our deeper similarities as humans and australians (a correct assumption) and then trotting out gays, lesbians, aboriginals and other ethnic people in front of school children like some sort of perverted f#$ing slideshow?

      The essential lesson here is:

      “These are the people you have to be nice to because they are different enough to warrant some sort of museum-style excursion”

      It’s f#$ing disgusting!!!

      The only way to end discrimination is to get the f#$ over it. Here are the differences:

      1. Gays and Lesbians engage in sexual intercourse with people of the same sex.

      2. Black people have black skin.

      3. Aboriginals have darker skin and some have a different relationship with the physical landscape of Australia

      4. Refugees might be muslim (a different religion to the majority of australians) and likely have darker skin and eat different food.


      So. The. F@ck. What.

      These are only distinctions in what is an already diverse society because of morons who consistently feel the need to draw false barriers. (Like Tory) suggesting ridiculous things such as a
      “parade of the minorities” in which small children can have the distinctions between the majority and the minority pointed out in a handy dichotomy of intolerance.

      It’s (benign as the sentiment behind the idea might be) a perpetration of all kinds of bigotry. Kids aren’t puppies and the general public aren’t stupid morons scared of refugees as a puppy is of thunder.

      Real people have real concerns and they must be addressed without the condescending crap the hard left pushes (like treating their children like dogs for example).

    • Bilby says:

      09:10am | 21/12/10

      @Tombowler - At risk of being argumentative… kids and dogs aren’t that different. They don’t even always eat different food wink

    • Nafe says:

      09:16am | 21/12/10

      Tomblower, Best post i have ever read on this site,

    • James1 says:

      09:19am | 21/12/10

      I get that tombowler - race and ethnicity are irrelevant to me.  I see that latent contradiction, and it is something that annoys me about the left.  We supposedly live in a post-racial world, yet these petty differences are trotted out by both sides of politics as being central.  I have heard plenty of arguments from the left about why ethincity is important (and indeed warrants different treatment) despite the supposedly post-racial country we inhabit.  I like your take on the article though - I hadn’t read it that way.

      What I don’t understand is why some people think that mixing with other ethnicities is wrecking the country, if indeed that was Eric’s point.  I always enjoy engaging in honest exchanges of opinion with Eric, and I still hope he responds.

    • John Smythe says:

      09:35am | 21/12/10

      Well said Tom! I often find myself in agreeance with your contributions here.

      If the writer wants to point the finger at something that causing misunderstanding and confusion, point at the media for taking extreme approaches to increase sensationalism and causing a divide among the people as it is.

      WTF has happened to Australia in the last 17years? I used to be proud of our multiculturalism. My regular school mates were everything from Italians, Germans, Dutch, Aborigine, Torres Strait Islanders, Kiwis, pretty sure we had some Papuans there too, can’t remember if any were gay back then, but hey, peoples’ sexuality wasn’t really a concern in those days.

      I guess in those days we were tolerant and understood our multicultural background and had no real people pushing agendas forcing issues like “difference of <insert race, gender, sexual persuasion>” upon us.

    • notsurprised says:

      09:52am | 21/12/10

      ” These are only distinctions in what is an already diverse society because of morons who consistently feel the need to draw false barriers.” - Well said Tombowler, I couldn’t agree more.

      Tory, your comment “Ignorance - in the sense of lacking knowledge, not of stupidity - allowed fear to fill the vacuum.” is a nothing statement which ridiculously suggests that fear is the outcome of a lack of knowledge. There are some things I have learned about that through knowledge make me more fearful for the understanding of their existence.

    • Jade says:

      11:10am | 21/12/10

      Here Here Tombowler! I couldn’t of said it better myself! (really) raspberry

      But then Bilby is kind of right to… kids and dogs… very alike! smile

    • Aaron says:

      03:50pm | 21/12/10

      WTF? people really don’t think before they type sometimes do they? Seriously the idea is good and sound. Its about making people aware that yes people are different, we are all different and there’s nothing wrong with that.

    • acotrel says:

      04:36pm | 21/12/10

      Yoy have to wonder when coalition politicians scuttle off to a country town to stir up discontent about a doubtful issue they’ve created themselves?  The reality is that the newcomers to Inverbrackie represent an increase in income to every individual person living in neighbouring towns.  The services needed wil strengthen businesses, and provide jobs to rural people.  That includes the wives and kids of long suffering farmers, who will have more opportunity to find work to assist the family income.  Pyne and the rest aren’t doing anyone outside the Liberal party any favours!

    • Eric says:

      05:20am | 22/12/10

      James1, I wasn’t referring to mixing with other people in my comment. As many others have pointed out, it’s something most Australians do every day.

      I was referring to the de-facto open borders policy being pushed by asylum seeker advocates. That is the main purpose of this article - to suggest, wrongly, that rejection of uninvited visitors is based on fear of difference, and can be “cured” by introducing children to others. It isn’t, and it can’t.

      The well-meaning naivete of asylum seeker advocates would create an open-border situation and within a few decades we’d lose our own country. That’s the wreckage to which I refer.

    • Gavin says:

      10:31am | 23/12/10

      Tombowler, you were almost 100% correct in your assertions. Too much can be made of differences, ironically in an attempt to foster the break-down of diversity barriers.

      However I do need to call you on the part about real people having real concerns that must be addressed. These real concerns are a product of supposedly intelligent adult human beings swallowing the fear mongering nationalist crap that is fed to them by the media and politicians, all of whom make a living by tapping into our natural predisposition to bigotry.

    • Brad of Bentleigh says:

      05:45am | 21/12/10

      You mean indoctrinate them, Tory…

      Clearly you’ve spoken to very few people around the Adelaide Hills, the anger at this situation remains very high. So long Labor at the next election, Pyne’s future is assured.

    • Paul Prentice says:

      09:35am | 21/12/10

      You are on the money Brad,intrench our kids into more marxsism,turn them into good global citizens not proud Aussies who are ready to fight and protect what is there own, this country..and there way of life…

    • GingerKitty says:

      01:17pm | 21/12/10

      @ Paul Prentice

      I think its also important to teach children the difference between “there”, “their”...and “they’re”

      Also, are you saying people can’t be “good global citizens” and “proud Aussies” at the same time?

    • acotrel says:

      04:11pm | 21/12/10

      You are ‘right on the money, Brad’ !  Why don’t you take a trip to Shepparton and see if you can cultivate some ill feeling towards the newcomers there?  That should help the coalition win an election?
        We have a small business in this town which specialises in clipping the fur, and claws of poodles.  I’ll send you the phone number, and you can recommend it to Pyne and Fascist Barbie!

    • Brad of Bentleigh says:

      05:54am | 22/12/10

      Nobody is “cultivating ill feeling towards newcomers”. Julia has done that by thrusting them upon an unsuspecting community, this will come at a political cost.
      The point being, is that Tory asserts that now that these people have moved in, the locals are all cool with the situation… this could not be further from the truth.

      You see the left, like to describe things as they would like them to be, not how they really are. We call that bullshit!

    • Jack Thomas says:

      02:45pm | 22/12/10

      As usual, the Latte Left are always willing to risk kids at the expense of their own petty ideology.

      Bill Henson trawling around schoolyards looking for young girls to photograph? Who gives a rats what risk and damage it might do to the girl, or how it might inflame weirdo’s feelings as they visit the exhibitions, thrust your little girl into harm’s way Tory, go on.

      I love the way the Latte Left deal with the situation of asylum, wait til 50 or so die on the rocks just so you can feel good that you’re not actually stopping anyone with awful things like prevention.

      Tough issues are not solved by weak people like you Tory.

    • StefanR says:

      06:08am | 21/12/10

      I think you are getting dangerously close to fetishising marginalised people. They don’t exist for the education of privileged folk.

    • Sandra says:

      10:50am | 21/12/10

      Well said. This veers close to only entrenching the sense of “otherness”.

    • acotrel says:

      04:05pm | 21/12/10

      Paul Prentice, what is your service record? Tthe kids of a whole generation went off to WW1 to fight for the stuff you mentioned.  When the survivors came back to Australia, the government dreamed up the Soldier Settlement Scheme to get them off the streets.  Most of the resettlement failed!

    • Troy says:

      06:13am | 21/12/10

      Spot on, Tory.  Great piece.  Knowledge will, indeed, set you free.

    • Jane says:

      07:20am | 21/12/10

      I agree - we should be welcoming and embracing the diversity in our communities. It makes us a much richer society.

    • Simon says:

      07:55am | 21/12/10

      Not Knowledge, But truth!

    • Troy says:

      09:15am | 21/12/10

      @Simon, thanks.  Hadn’t had my coffee yet!  But same thing, really.  Knowledge of the truth.

    • OneBigCommune says:

      06:13am | 21/12/10

      My child (of mixed ancestry - mostly European Caucasian with a distant mix of Mediteranean x2 and aborigine) goes to a public NSW primary school and as such participates in The Departments ‘multicultural week and the ‘multicultural speaking’ competition.  The year my child is in has children from all backgrounds who engage without any concerns for background, and none know my child’s ancestry as it is irrelevant to that engagement.

      On other European Caucasian parent said they had to explain to their child, whose best friend is from an Indian family, what racial differences were for their own child to be able to engage fully in writing their multicultural speech about racial discrimination - it was a hard job convincing that child their best friend was different in some way.

    • Perplexed says:

      10:57am | 21/12/10

      What exactly is a “European Caucasian”?  It is tautological—unless the Caucasus mountains (from which the term “Caucasian” derives its name) been relocated.

      Mediterraneans are also, under the quaint term, “Caucasians”.

    • SalC says:

      11:06am | 21/12/10

      OneBigCommune I love your last comment “it was a hard job convincing that child their best friend was different in some way”.  You can celebrate cultural differences without saying their ‘different’.

    • Bilby says:

      11:17am | 21/12/10

      @SalC - I’ll say this really loud because everyone knows that’s how to help people understand.

      THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING DIFFERENT.

      Of course everyone is different, except me. I’m the same.

    • Fred says:

      11:29am | 21/12/10

      And that is the point SalC. The moment you highlight the difference and show “positive discrimination” to on group over another, you create the divide. For example, knowing an aboriginal kid can get free taxi rides to school and paid to attend make that kid separate to the group. The to have to repeatedly during the day have to thank some aboriginal group for “allowing” us to use their land is a further put down to the class. They left is creating the problem with their stupid ideologies and pandering to people with a victim mentality that won’t get off their backside and take ownership of their lives.

    • Bilby says:

      11:44am | 21/12/10

      @Fred - They don’t thank anyone. They acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land, and pay their respects to elders past and present. The problem is that they forget to pay respect to the British traditions upon which this nation was founded, and our own elders, past and present. It’s all lopsided.

    • OneBigCommune says:

      01:57pm | 21/12/10

      @SalC,
      that was just a function of the parent getting exacerbated having to try to explain multi-culturalism to a 7 year old who was not indoctrinated into racism as recent generations were.

      @ Perplexed - OK, unnecessary double description adjective/adverb, and of course Mediteranean is a subset of Caucasian but, hey, you may recall the distinctions that have been made in Australia (a la Weird Mob, etc)

    • Steph says:

      07:55pm | 21/12/10

      Er, do you mean exasperated? Exacerbated is to make worse.

    • The Realist says:

      06:28am | 21/12/10

      The more information the less fear?  Please read the Quran from back to front and you’ll understand why many educated and thinking people are wary of some people from different cultural and belief systems.

    • Adam Diver says:

      07:33am | 21/12/10

      I was thinking the same thing. The is another side to knowledge, and it is the fact that not everything and everyone is rainbows and puppies.

      Also I reject this notion

      “Once these people actually move in, they become human faces,’’

      People should not have to make decisions about policy, community etc based on individual emotion. That clouds any debate beyond repair.

    • HappyCynic says:

      07:51am | 21/12/10

      Caution is not the same as fear.  And if you have a problem with the Koran I assume you have just as much of a problem with the violence depicted in the Bible and the Torah since you claim to be educated.

    • Catching up says:

      07:56am | 21/12/10

      The Old Testament is not much better. It is nigh on fifty years when Catholics and other religions were taught to hate each other.  There are fanatical Christians as well as fanatical Muslims.  There are as many strains of Muslim that there are Christians.  Many of those fleeing belong to minority sects that are persecuted in their own countries. They are running from persecution and threat of death.

    • Jim says:

      08:57am | 21/12/10

      @Catching up; the old testament was bandied about by rabid Catholics as a means to persecute and steal over 1000 years ago. It doesn’t carry much weight at all now.
      The Quran on the other hand, is taken quite literally and used as the law by billions worldwide.
      As The Realist says, be wary.

    • Adam Diver says:

      09:02am | 21/12/10

      Before more stupidity is put forward.

      Koran - Exact word of the lord, can not be ambigous, can not be put down as misinterpreted, can not be ignored.

      Bible - Collection of works from hundreds of authors.

      “Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe” (8:55)

    • Tombowler says:

      09:44am | 21/12/10

      Ahhh but AdamDiver;

      The different schools of interpretation is where your argument tends to be weakened.

      Some say the Koran bans cigarettes, some say it does not. Some interpret the ‘infiltration/conquest’ stuff to mean (much like the bible) “go forth and teach”

      The differences between these schools (in the middle-east they vary between liberalised in almost all regards including ursury toward hardline fundamentalists who believe in murdering infidels outright) is magnified by the concept of “ijma” or scholarly consensus.

      The idea here comes from the qu’ran

      “Where there is consensus between all our community (generally interpreted as educated males) then that is the law because a learned assembly of my community would not agree on a fallacy” or something to this effect.

      That means, by the word of ‘god’ himself, for the laws to be absolute it requires virtually total consensus not only within the school of interpretation but between the schools.

      Of course there are those who purport to preach the one true form of islam but even amongst the stricter sects this is rare. Similar to doomsday churches, crazy wingnut pastors and whatnot.

      Essentially Islam is, of itself, a good religion with safeguards built in for progression and brakes on extremism

      The issue is one of low-education, the hoarding of knowledge and exploitation of faith in the middle-east and asia that perverts the religion, circumvent the ‘brakes’ and seek to focus on the more extreme sections of text in amongst both the hadith and the Quran (oft taken out of context) to achieve radicalisation.

      It’s more a socio-political issue than anything else; the perpetration of a deep feud between east and west that dates back to well before the crusades.

    • PaulB says:

      09:56am | 21/12/10

      Try the Talmud Adam, then tell me you’re worried about the Koran.

    • MelD says:

      10:53am | 21/12/10

      @Adam - and both are interpreted by man with our own take on everything and our own perspectives

    • Observer says:

      11:00am | 21/12/10

      @Jim. “It doesn’t carry much weight at all now.”

      Oh really? I dispute that.

      Exhibit A: Archbishop Pell. 

      Case closed.

    • Adam Diver says:

      11:45am | 21/12/10

      Are people seriously telling me that the all-powerful lord, the creator of the heavens and the earth, the creator of man, insructs his one prophet to write a holy book open to mis-interpretations????

      That is a weak, weak argument.

    • Adam Diver says:

      11:48am | 21/12/10

      @ tombowler

      “Quran (2:191-193) - “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”

      Go forth and teach…sure.

    • Tombowler says:

      12:44pm | 21/12/10

      @Adam

      I find myself at war on 2 fronts with your ridiculous bogan crap!

      Quoting the Qu’ran out of context is much like quoting the bible out of context. (Side note: I choose to do neither because I refuse to be, in the vein of the lefty,  an apologist for one religion (islam) while persecuting another (christianity) who’s main fault appears to be that it is Western)

      The point I make is that, like the various churches, Islam cannot be declared as any presenting any singular viewpoint (further than the existential; afterlife, god and whatnot). The Qu’ran is just another old, translated document written in tongues that have evolved and changed just like the bible.

      Fear of Islam is pathetic and weak. Embracing it to the extent that we are discussing new laws re: ursury? equally weak and pathetic.

      Islam must be treated like christianity. With irreverence and no special treatment but a modicum of respect offered to the pious who, as in christian churches, generally do a lot of good to their immediate community through charity and whatnot.

      You, Diver, need to grow a set and stop fearing the “Muslim invader”. All the bluster from extremists about conquering the west have about as much credence as North Korea talking about destroying the U.S 7th Airforce.

      Time to be a big girl Adam, most moslems couldn’t give two sh#ts about you and yours and the extremists that might want to kill you are probably throwing rocks as he barrel of an israeli tank turns slowly in their direction…

    • GingerKitty says:

      01:29pm | 21/12/10

      @ Tombowler

      I am astonished at your knowledge of Islam!
      I just wish more people who actually have some knowledge of the subject (like yourself) would comment, instead of the idiots who have fallen prey to sensationalism.

    • Jim says:

      02:05pm | 21/12/10

      @Observer - “Exhibit A: Archbishop Pell.  Case closed. “

      Yes, exactly. Archbishop Pell. Go back to the 12th century and he may have been someone important. Now he’s just someone the media go to if they have a slow news day and want to try for some polarising comments. He’s nothing, especially in this country…and I mean that in the best possible way!

    • Adam Diver says:

      03:21pm | 21/12/10

      @ tombowler, are you serious, context? Its the written word of the lord, how can you quote out of context?

      Whats worse is I already addressed this point beforehand. I specifically quote from the Quran and not from the Hadith, because its the “literal word of the lord”.

      I don’t fear the “muslim invader” I just despise the religion of peace, and anyone enlightened enough in this country to promote it as being “good” despite the obvious contradictions within its holy book (the literal word of the lord remember).

    • Aaron says:

      03:58pm | 21/12/10

      Tombowler, well done. Great to see someone who knows the Quran, might I also make the comment that when the Muslims first went forth they did not attack anyone that was Christian or Jewish until they were attacked first. Their reasoning? All three believe in the same God.

      Non-believer in the context of the Quran is anyone who does not believe in Allah, God, Yahweh, Jehovah, “the one true God”.

    • KH says:

      06:39am | 21/12/10

      What, and run the risk of them questioning your beliefs?!  We wouldn’t want that now would we?

    • Andy says:

      07:36am | 21/12/10

      I think you’ve been exposed to too many young socialist greens meetings, Tory. But you’re right. It’s never too early to indoctrinate the impressionable into the ways of the political elitist.

    • James1 says:

      08:10am | 21/12/10

      What is your problem with kids mixing with kids of different ethnicities?  Can you explain why that is a negative thing? 

      Before you attack me, I am far from a socialist green, yet my child mixes with kids from all sorts of different ethnic backgrounds (I am the son of Irish migrants, just so you know).  People are people to me - their ethnic origins are irrelevant.

    • Ted B says:

      08:31am | 21/12/10

      Labor and the greens have to build up their voting base some how. After all when you grow up and understand reality their crappy ideology looses its gloss.

    • Jim says:

      08:53am | 21/12/10

      James1…it’s negative in the context that it’s being used as a social experiment - socialist latte sippers trying to impose their own views on life onto toddlers and young children.
      Kids don’t differentiate between black/white/in between/religion/sex or any other category we, as adults, need to place people in.
      You sit a 5 year old white kid next to a 5 year old aboriginal kid I can guarantee they will not even see the colour difference.

    • Nafe says:

      09:23am | 21/12/10

      Jim, your 100% right on that. Its all the minority seeking to play the victim card and pushing to be equal that is pushing out the barrier. Kids don’t see colour, or race, they see people, Leave them to be kids and they will learn themselves if there is a difference between one person or another.

    • James1 says:

      09:23am | 21/12/10

      Good point Jim - I have seen it myself in my own child.  She once had a Sudanese girl in her daycare, and I asked her if she played with the Sudanese girl.  My daughter replied that there were only Australians in her class.  So I asked if she played with the African girl, the one with very dark skin.  My daughter just shrugged.  My wife came in at that point, and said the Sudanese girl’s name (which escapes me to this day, sadly), and my daughter’s eyes lit up and she said “Of course, we play all the time.” 

      So I guess you are saying that the mixing is not a bad thing, but the emphasis on difference is?

    • Catching up says:

      09:34am | 21/12/10

      We can take many without any harm coming to our country.  History has shown that we gain more than lose by welcoming people in need.  The stupid things are that many of those who shriek the loudest, have never met a refugee or are unlikely too.  Most settle in a few suburbs of Sydney or Melbourne.  Most after a number of years when they have found their feet move into other areas.  Many, as history shows work very hard to fit in, as they soon learn this is the only way they are to get ahead.  It is true that every wave of migration since WW2 has greatly added to and improved out own culture.  Our culture has been evolving and growing since the penal colony was established in 1788.  Cultures, no matter the country are not set in concrete or time. They are forever changing. Does anyone really believe that Australians live the same lives in 2010 that they did in 1910.

    • AdamC says:

      09:51am | 21/12/10

      James1, I don’t know that you are that far from a socialist green.

      On topic, I would have thought the obvious way to handle difference and kiddies is not to artificially shield them from it, but also not to foist it on them for the sake of it. That is, you don’t hide the disabled indigenous refugee away from the children, but you don’t make a point of trundling one in every day so the kids can ‘celebrate diversity’ over play lunch.

      This would be the approach favoured by, oh, around, 100% of non-crazy parents.  It is amazing how political correctness negates people’s common sense.

    • James1 says:

      10:21am | 21/12/10

      What makes me a socialist Adam?

    • Andy says:

      11:28am | 21/12/10

      Adam C, and Jim:  BINGO!
      James 1, why on earth would I attack you for asking me a question?
      I think you answered it yourself in the last sentence, my friend.
      People, are people.

    • James1 says:

      11:43am | 21/12/10

      Andy, I didn’t mean it as an attack - it was a genuine attempt to draw out your opinion.  Seems we agree in any case.

    • AdamC says:

      12:57pm | 21/12/10

      James1, what makes you a socialist is your desire to nationalise the means of production, finance and exchange. 

      You are also clearly an inner-city, latte-sipping member of the chardonnay set. While I (by way of non-socialist contrast) live in the outer suburbs (don’t worry, you won’t have heard of it), have my coffee as black as my heart (especially where asylum-seekers are concerned) and prefer rieslings from Germany and the Alsace to chardonnay.

      I hope that explains it. Quite straight forward when you think about it.

    • James1 says:

      12:07pm | 22/12/10

      Adam,

      I don’t desire that at all.  As a consumer, I want the best price for items I purchase, and this price is best provided by competition between private enterprises.  I am against the mining tax, don’t believe in anthropogenic climate change, and certainly do not support any carbon tax. 

      I live in the suburbs of Canberra, I am married to a woman with whom I have a child, drink black tea, Coopers beer and Irish whiskey (and occasionally, water) - can’t stand any type of wine except the occasional merlot.  I even voted Liberal in the last three federal elections - the only three I was old enough to vote in.

      So, apart from the fact that everything you think about me is completely wrong, you are right.  Pretty simple, really.  So why do you think I am a socialist again?  This time, try using facts.  They really help in building arguments.

    • AdamC says:

      07:19pm | 22/12/10

      James1, didn’t you realise I was taking the mickey? At the very least, you must have realised that I wouldn’t have any idea about your drinking habits.

    • James1 says:

      08:03am | 23/12/10

      I realised ten minutes after posting that Adam.  I feel a fool, don’t you worry.

    • AdamC says:

      12:48pm | 23/12/10

      I suppose that is what emoticons and LOLs are for, not that I’d use any of those ...

    • Joan says:

      07:39am | 21/12/10

      What a weird piece….so will everyone be labeled like some curious specimen? You obviously have lead a sheltered life isolated from the broad multicultural community that is Australia.Too much fuss made today… immigrants and refugees been coming for decades and mixing without phony engineering

    • James1 says:

      08:06am | 21/12/10

      Amazing.  Not only can I follow Joan’s post for once, I actually agree with it.  Keep in mind, people once dehumanised and vilified the Irish, Greeks, Italians, Hungarians, Serbs, Croats, Chinese and Vietnamese, saying they didn’t want such undesirables in “their” country.  Now these ethnic groups are part of the scenery.  Why assume later arrivals are any different?

    • Nafe says:

      09:27am | 21/12/10

      James, Why not just let things run their course then. People are cautious about something perceved different. Its up to the community to prove otherwise like all the above mentioned groups have.

      These new arrivals are welcome as long as they welcome our way of life aswell, The above menitioned have, so peer pressure should also be allowed to run its course on the new guys to make sure they tow our line rather than being allowed to play the victim card when they screw up.

    • Tubesteak says:

      07:44am | 21/12/10

      Good idea. But it depends on how you do it. It needs to be real interaction for a sustained period. Not just some silly pep talk at the school assembly.

    • Jack Spratt says:

      08:03am | 21/12/10

      This might seem peripheral to Tory’s worry, but is it? What is a child, anyhow? How does one tailor experiences to the child’s maturity and resilience to the whole environment? They can be dominant competitors in sports at 14 but not suitable to carry arms until they are 18, the UN says. (When is an adult too old to do that?) They can reproduce in their early teens, carry arms, leave school, drink, drive and become criminals. “Childhood” is a completely arbitrary concept based on race, genetics, societal needs, habits, politics and choices. Tory’s anxiety could be misplaced. Kids are the most adaptable creatures of all. It’s much harder to get the “grown-ups” used to the real world when they are preoccupied with booze, sport, TV trash and just being “tough”. Check the Cross any weekend to see their intellectual maturity. That’s where kids need to be shielded. They’ll learn to handle the rest for themselves.

    • Macca says:

      08:07am | 21/12/10

      I would have thought Western Sydney Public Schools were highly multi-cultural. I know mine was, only 1 in 4 kids were white. I had, still have, a wonderful diversity of friends.

      Exposing people to a variety of cultures does not substitue for what is a highly complex and charged debate.

      Whilst you haven’t spelt it out, Tory, I’m getting the feeling that you are asserting that many opponents to Boat People are simply ignorant of other cultures and people. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, but this is dangerous territory.

    • Rose says:

      09:51am | 21/12/10

      Many people who make quite absolute statements about ‘boat people’ have never actually spoken to any of them. I think Tory’s piece was just a statement about how by actually interacting with people we get a better understanding of them, their stories, their character and their similarities to us. It is not social engineering or indoctrination, it is simply the fact that people who interact with a wide range of people get to make judgments according to what’s real, not stuff they’ve overheard, read, guessed or been told. It’s about allowing children (and everybody else) to mix freely so they can make up their own minds.

    • Markus says:

      10:39am | 21/12/10

      “It’s about allowing children (and everybody else) to mix freely so they can make up their own minds”
      Except that in introducing a program like this to a school curriculum, ‘allowing’ becomes ‘forcing’.
      I remember getting trouble in high school for refusing to be friends with a boy who had a disability. My refusal had nothing to do with his disability, and everything to do with the fact he was a complete prick, who had most of the teachers wrapped around his little finger.

      I made up my own mind, and got detention for it. Being the cynical bastard I am, I have no doubt that young children involved in such a program will have about as much choice as I did. So yes, it is social engineering.

    • James1 says:

      11:25am | 21/12/10

      Markus,

      We have a welfare kid at my daughter’s school that is just the same.  All the teachers think the other kids hate her because she is poor, dirty, and smells bad, and are prejudiced for avoiding her.  In reality, she is manipulative, bullying and dobs endlessly to curry favour, and that is why the other kids avoid her.

    • Markus says:

      12:25pm | 21/12/10

      Which begs the question James1, how will the inner city latte sipping socialists (couldn’t help it, I love the term) react when, inevitably, a number of the children that have been introduced to people from all walks of life come to an informed decision that they still don’t like some or all of them?

    • James1 says:

      12:25pm | 22/12/10

      If children decide such a thing on the basis of individuals and their behaviour, the wet left (that is my favourite way of putting it) could have no problem with it, assuming they are not hypocrites.  If however, the children decide on the basis of something irrelevant like skin colour, that is another matter altogther.

    • Evocity says:

      08:27am | 21/12/10

      Exposing people to other ‘tribes’ is the answer. Just look at how many people are lined up to move into the multicultural areas of the major cities lol

      Truth is, studies are showing that multiculturalism and loss of identity is one of the major causes for the low life satisfaction of city dwellers.

      Migrants have made a great contribution to Australia and could teach most Aussies a thing or two about family values, but why pretend that a big multicultural society is what suits the human condition?

    • grumpy old man says:

      08:28am | 21/12/10

      if they were not locked indoors watching TV or playing computer games, they probably would meet people from all walks of life!
      Open the doors, and encourage them to go outside

    • Geoff - Brisbane says:

      08:39am | 21/12/10

      Primary school education should include introducing each and every child to the following:

      Reading
      Writing
      Maths
      Science

      We are falling behind in these areas in this country Tory. Before we invest in lefty warm and fuzzy lessions, lets get the basics down to a T. Meeting an Aboriginal, refugee and a Gay will not help you pass Uni or get a job. Infact you have 80 years to meet these people but only 7 to get the basics.

      Also while we’re at it, doesn’t the left preach that all these groups are exactly the same as everyone else? if so, what is so special about meeting them?

    • Bilby says:

      09:06am | 21/12/10

      if so, what is so special about meeting them?

      Much as I don’t think it can be achieved by this sort of approach, the answer is proof. I can (and do) tell my daughter, “you know [a] that comes over every morning before school? She’s aboriginal. Aunty and aunty [c] are lesbians. Opa was a German Jew. Grandpa [d] is from England. Grandma [e] is 5th generation Australian. She knew all these people before she knew about the labels that people apply. To her they’re all just people. That’s the point.

    • Bilby says:

      08:52am | 21/12/10

      Actually children aren’t born with a fear of the unknown, that’s an adult projection. To a baby, *everything* is unknown. They’d be paralyzed with fear, but they’re not. Most adults wouldn’t stick their hand into a hole in a log for fear of what might be inside. Young kids? No such fear.

      So long as parents don’t teach our kids to fear different people, they won’t. It’s not up to the schools, it’s up to the parents.

    • Jack says:

      11:01am | 21/12/10

      You are 100% correct with this statement. The problem is the fact that many “parents” have seen too many cases of minority groups playing the race card to get their own free seat on the handout gravy train, “positive discrimination”(now there is a divisive tool) and so on.

      Any white boy with self respect will also pick up “an attitude” easily enough as they go thru the socialist engineering school system. The lesson was drummed into me by school where I had a stream of rubbish in English lessons telling me that White men were bad and white women and aboriginals were the victims of white male nastiness and the cause of any aboriginal or women became nasty was white men.

    • Rossco says:

      09:03am | 21/12/10

      Can we also please have children exposed to acrobats, war criminals, AIDS infected junkies, south american dictators, bank robbers, the mentally deranged, cannibal serial killers, John Safran, McDonalds workers, holocaust survivors, Trekkies, the morbidly obese, punch writers, glue sniffers, bikie gang members, soccer hooligans, train fare dodgers, scientologists, neo nazis, airport security guards, Frankston bogans, UFO believers, rabid Twilight fans, the little fat kid from Hey Dad, parking ticket inspectors, hovercraft pilots, Sudanese terrorists, those boys at basketball games who mop up the sweat, buskers with a masters degree in music, the limbless, stalkers, con artists, Mike Rann, serial pest Peter Hore, Lutherans, the Ku Klux Klan, The Black Panthers, vacumn salesmen, burns victims, SAS soldiers, roid filled bouncers, Zoo models, cleaners, Prince Leonard I of Hutt, Grease fans, David Koch, Japanese whale fishermen, snipers, the French, pub crawlers, Emil Minty from Mad Max 2, feral camels, St Kilda players, Subway Sandwich artists, Kate Hann the general manager of Bonds, Mexican chefs, historical interpreters, the semi-blind, Ian Thorpe, Merv Hughes, air traffic controllers, Shane Warne, Angry Video Game Nerd, Gerhard Koppensteiner, volunteers, the entire creative team behind Australian Mad Magazine, solar panel installers, Feminists, truckies, Harvey Norman salesmen, those people in the shops who hand out free samples, Sam Worthington, union workers, film students, John Romero, ninjas, forestry workers, IT specialists, Matt Preston, and those really annoying people who always stand side by side at the escalator and block everyone else from walking up. Thanks.

    • Bilby says:

      09:27am | 21/12/10

      Maybe they’ve already been exposed to ninjas… they just don’t know it!

    • John Smythe says:

      09:53am | 21/12/10

      hahahaha Classic Rossco Classic!

    • James1 says:

      10:06am | 21/12/10

      I draw the line at Matt Preston.  No one should be exposed to his pink pants.

    • Duff says:

      10:23am | 21/12/10

      Too many words.  Not enough point.

    • St. Michael says:

      12:42pm | 21/12/10

      You missed out Peter Jackson and/or Andy Serkis.  Fail! smile

    • Tombowler says:

      03:46pm | 21/12/10

      and HUGH JACKMAN….

    • jim morris says:

      09:10am | 21/12/10

      You could have a little alley with sideshow stalls! Didn’t they used to call that a freak show?
      How about just stop the obsession with race etc etc and just deal with people according to their behaviour but if you do have to introduce children to homosexual men have the honesty to explain to the kids exactly what homosexual men do to each other, discuss the long list of diseases associated with anal sex, let them know that better than 90% of all new HIV infections are gay and bisexual men and detail just how much it costs the taxpayers to care for them. See, lefties are all good will and not much honesty.

    • Sludger says:

      10:41am | 21/12/10

      Hey, I agree with that post.  But don’t say it too loud, someone might take offence.

    • Sandra says:

      10:53am | 21/12/10

      What is with homophobic straight men that,  when they discuss homosexuality, they obsess about anal sex? Methinks you doth protest too loudly.

    • Dani says:

      11:06am | 21/12/10

      Heterosexual people can contract all the diseases homosexual people can. Does this mean when kids are introduced to a heterosexual couple we should outline all the STI’s they can possibly get? Or the fact that it can cause cervix cancer in women?

    • Tim H says:

      11:09am | 21/12/10

      Brillantly said.

    • Ted says:

      11:16am | 21/12/10

      Sandra, me thinks you doth protest against Jim’s right to tells some simple true fact too loudly.

      PS how pathetic that by your four word you had to pull the homophobic card to discredit the messenger of a simple FACT. If you want to no the true oppressor of free speech and thought, look in the mirror.

    • Bilby says:

      12:39pm | 21/12/10

      @Ted - It was homophobic, in the true sense of the word. jim is scared of poofs. It would distress him no end to know that lots of straight guys like anal sex too. Straight guys are also hardly paragons of virtue, so should we explain that straight guys are responsible for most of the world’s murders and rapes? Fair is fair after all.

    • StefanR says:

      12:46pm | 21/12/10

      Aside from the inconsistency of explaining anal sex as something gay men do without explaining it also as something straight couples do, your ‘facts’ are wrong.

      From http://www.avert.org/aids-hiv-australia.htm :
      “HIV transmission in Australia occurs primarily through sexual contact between men. Around 65% of people newly diagnosed with HIV in 2009 were among men who have sex with men; 28.7% were exposed through heterosexual contact; 2.3% were due to injecting drug use; and a further 3% were men with a history of both injecting drug use and sex with other men.”

      “At the end of 2009 an estimated 20,171 people were living with an HIV diagnosis in Australia.”

      Note that this is HIV, not AIDS. This distinction becomes important when you start looking at the costs of caring for these people.

    • Sid says:

      02:53pm | 21/12/10

      And the interesting thing to know StefanR would be of the heterosexual infections, how many are the result of a bisexual man transfering HIV to a heterosexual woman? This was how it primarialy transfered into the heterosexual community if you look at history.

    • StefanR says:

      05:22pm | 21/12/10

      @Sid ‘Men who have sex with men’ includes bisexual men and so are included in the 65%.

    • bigmac says:

      09:48am | 21/12/10

      This is the most bizarre article I have read this year, and one of the stupidest suggestions I have ever heard.
      It goes to prove the ignorance of the inner city socialist elite, of what actually goes on in the real world. If you ever left the inner suburbs, you would realise immigrants of all skin tones already live in the outer and working class suburbs, and children in those areas see them as a normal part of everyday life. Children don’t even notice these differences, so why point them out?
      Social engineering, and fuzzy feel good policies by the left have already negatively effected negatively our school system. If you want to teach your children this rubbish, go ahead, but do it in you own time. The school system should be there to teach children the basics, reading writing, maths and science.

    • Frustrated says:

      04:01pm | 21/12/10

      Wonderfully summed up bigmac!
      I can just imagine the Inverbrackie parents explain to their children:
      these are the nice people who arrived here by breaking the law, took the place from genuine refugees and our homeless people so greet them with open arms. Next time I will expose you to the nice people who like to play with little children.
      What a stupid article!

    • Tripper Smurf says:

      09:56am | 21/12/10

      I grew up in a housing commission part of Brisbane called Holland Park and went to a small school called Seville Road State School.  This small school of less than 200 had over 60% of its students come from overseas backgrounds, many of them refugees from Vietnam or the then-Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.  My best friend growing up and next door neighbour was such a refugee from Afghanistan, two years older than I who I played cricket with in the backyard and was invited by his family to participate in feasts and vicea versa.

      These people assimilated to the mainstream of Australian society largely because the mainstream didnt actively seek to ostrascise them.  I also fully agree by the basic premise of this article, in that children when exposed to people of different nationalities will have less fear of them when they grow up. Im proof that it happens.

    • loxy says:

      10:14am | 21/12/10

      While it’s no doubt politics is playing a nasty role in this whole situation, what drives me crazy about articles like this is no one looks at the cost of this ‘open your doors policy’. No one looks at where it will end up, i.e the last thing we want is to become like Britain who is overun with immigrants and have a welfare bill that is drowning the economy.

      In a country where the number of homeless is rising significantly, the number of people in electricity poverty (i.e. can’t pay their electricity bills) is going up on a daily basis, pensiors are barely scrapping by and the cost of living is spiralling out of control, tell me why I should ber prepared to open the doors to our country and fund (at enormous cost per person) all these assulym seekers. I know these people often come from desperate places, but we are a small country and can’t help them all and I would personally prefer to help out my fellow Australians first before funding a life of welfare for immigrants.

    • Observer says:

      11:06am | 21/12/10

      “A life of welfare”?

      You got any proof of this?

      I would venture this nations spends far too much money on bloody middle-class welfare that could be money for the needy—Australian or otherwise.

    • loxy says:

      12:11pm | 21/12/10

      Observer, the welfare costs just to detain, process and set these people up in our country are enormous. Then you have the issue that a lot of them don’t speak english well or at all, don’t have any skills and struggle to get a job - hence the welfare bill. I’m all for immigration but I’m not for handouts. Want to come here then you work for a living like the rest of us.

    • Duff says:

      10:29am | 21/12/10

      “I also fully agree (with) the basic premise of this article, in that children when exposed to people of different nationalities will have less fear of them when they grow up.”

      Yes, that is exactly the point.  Well said.

    • Adelaide resident says:

      10:42am | 21/12/10

      The problem is we always cannot see our own blindspots. We need external stimulations, all sorts of controversial and unacceptable messages instead of mother talks.

      Look at Australia. While we debate about the population growth and the positioning in Asia, why we not debate to develop Darwin, the most convenient geographically located sea port?

    • thedon says:

      10:45am | 21/12/10

      So what are you saying we should do with people who grow up in the hundreds of small Australian towns, where generations of white Australians have grown up for years, working hard, paying their taxes, often building and funding their own infrastructure, supplying their sons to defend the democratic rights and freedoms we all share.

      Are they now obsolete, is there something wrong with them?

    • stephen says:

      10:52am | 21/12/10

      When you meet different people and form opinions about them,( If you’re open-minded they willl be favourable) you realize that diversity has personal benefits : you realize your own predicament from another perspective, so in solving problems in your own life, or even only wanting to share your good fortune, you can view your own life from another cultural and emotional state.
      Other people are interesting,(will you tell me they’re not ?) and especially those who are unlike ourselves. Often we can see our lives better if we can look from another angle. This is from personal experience, that a family from Iran now living here can give me advice about personal matters that I hadn’t thought of before, because they was different.
      And don’t even get me started on the economic and broader social benefits

    • Bilby says:

      11:13am | 21/12/10

      I think this is what people are complaining about. “Different people” are just people. Good, bad, and often ugly. By suggesting that *all* open minded people think favourably about *all* other people, you are actually denying them their individuality. Nice idea, poor implementation.

    • stephen says:

      05:26pm | 21/12/10

      Good. Different people are only different.
      Then why the outcry against Multiculturalism ?
      Our openmindedness will help ours and their attitude.
      Remember, they are here because they wish to do well and make a life for their families.

      The common resistance to immigration is a smokescreen : the argument that such new Aussies are taking someone’s job or they are prone to crime and violence. The stats. don’t say so, and neither does common-sense. It’s true some are finding it hard to adapt.
      (I know a number of Aussies who can’t adapt and they’ve been here for 4 generations .)
      Australians like to sit in the sun and tell jokes.
      Everyone does.
      So go talk to someone who’s wardrobe doesn’t consist of a beanie and a flannelette shirt.
      Yer may learn something.

    • Huey says:

      10:55am | 21/12/10

      @ jim morris CRIKEY! General comment.. Torey, where were you educated?  ...My Grandkids ARE exposed to all these so-called “groups” because they go to Public Schools in Australia. Of course they are not aware they are “groups” yet; have to be all grown up for that. They also have an Uncle Pete & Aunty Mark! (Pete’s indigenous so that’s a twofer if we score these things)

    • Davido says:

      11:01am | 21/12/10

      I agree with the idea of exposing kids to a multicultural environment.

      But the real problem here is the church run schools. These schools take kids out of general society and give them a very slanted view on the world.

    • Jon says:

      11:07am | 21/12/10

      The great benefit that our society has had is the philosophical capital inherited to us by the Western enlightenment. This is of benefited to all human beings regarding of their backgrounds which in my opinion is far more important to lean that muddle the minds of the young in some social engineering project. This whole idea smacks of an emergence deeply relativistic tolerance industry. This is the current fashion in the political sphere, and in education in particular, tolerance is now promoted as a form of non-criticism, non-judgement – tolerance as enduring the detestable – is being replaced with a fantasy: tolerance as a unconditional appreciation of diversity.

    • cRook says:

      11:55am | 21/12/10

      Schools, no. Parents, yes. My son was racist as a child. I introduced him to a lot of people and let him work out his prejudices on his own. I have no idea how or when it started. Against popular theory, I think he was born like that. He doesn’t like cauliflower either.

    • Richard says:

      12:00pm | 21/12/10

      Er… ok, don’t publish my previous comment then: I guess it does get a bit monotonous for you to deal with my constant requests for rational articles on the asylum seeker issue addressing the concerns of normal upright citizens that have nothing to do with fear, ignorance or racism. I guess you would rather ignore my repeated imploring for you to publish an article which discusses the issues of economic immigration, country shopping and the social outcomes of large-scale asylum seeker immigration that has been experienced in the UK/France/Netherlands/Denmark/Sweden et al.

      Whatever.

      This is a truly ridiculous article though. Did you even bother to see what your local primary school is even like before writing this rubbish Tory? Its the most marvellous melting pot of different ethnicities around. I don’t think that kids are in dire need of more exposure to people of different ethnic backgrounds. And since when is an adults sexuality any business of a child’s?

    • Jade says:

      12:47pm | 21/12/10

      I think Tory’s comments in this article have been miscontrued. I read it that children should be informed from young ages that these groups exist in society, that there is nothing wrong with any of them, but that some people have problems with them for varying reasons. And they should.

      I happen to be quite supportive of refugees, and very against what I consider the inhumane treatment of boat people and other refugees. I respect that other people have a differing view in many instances.

      However, I refuse to accept or respect the “differing opinions” voiced by my many acquaintances who live in the country when they make pronouncements about refugees and migrants without having actually met one. I asked how many of them had met a Muslim, and none of them had. Most had never even seen an African except on the television. Yet they made pronouncements on these groups with absolute authority.

      They also made numerous references to the dangers of Sydney, without having set foot in a city larger than Mt Isa. They attributed the whole thing to the “Leb gangs”.

      I have many friends in the city who hold similar opinions. I am not so quick to jump down their throats for one simple reason - they actually have met the people they talk about. They’ve spoken to them, lived next to them, and experienced life with them.

      Similarly, I am much less quick to accuse my country friends of racism in their views on the indigenous, because they have experienced living next door to them, experienced life with them, and seen first-hand many of the things that I only hear about from reports like Little Children are Sacred.

      I think its about teaching children that there are differences between people, but that these differences do not make them less worthy.

    • Fi says:

      05:37am | 29/12/10

      Seriously? One example of robbery? Because white ‘home-grown’ Australians never steal?

    • Teejay says:

      12:56pm | 21/12/10

      Tory, your brave but ill-thought-thro piece illustrates how little respect you have for your own society and fellow Australians, who mostly object to having their own nation turned into a left-wing social engineering experiment. WE love our country the way we grew up. WE don’t think population pollution is any advantage to us. WE like being able to have an educated conversation over the back fence with neighbours who think and feel like us - it’s what made us Angloes a well adjusted, harmonious society. Don’t you think it’s foolhardy to destroy that?

    • Teejay says:

      01:13pm | 21/12/10

      @Tory - I enjoyed your Pollie scorecard piece. It allowed me and a lot of others to place some ‘frustration’ into print. This piece, however, looks like an ‘appeaser’ searching for a flicker from the socialist’s   “...light on the hill”. If you introduce illiterate NESB ies into a class, you jeopardise the education of the Australian kids - plus intestinal worms, TB, scabies and a wide variety of nasty diseases, that our population has no immunity to. So grow up, count your blessings and stop trying to destroy what centuries free of civil strife have given us.

    • Trude says:

      01:33pm | 21/12/10

      Kids will meet people of different racial backgrounds in school anyway, right in their classes. I’m pretty sure my boys are not colour-blind, they probably do notice that their friends have different coloured skins, but they don’t treat any of their friends differently because of it. Schools have projects on multiculturalism, immigration, refugees… all sorts. That’s already happening.

      However you are right about the religious side, which still needs some work. Kids should be learning the similarities and differences between some of the major religions and allowed to discuss them in class. Parents also need education, otherwise they develop set ideas which they pass on to their kids at home.

    • Htos1 says:

      01:34pm | 21/12/10

      I think you confusefamilial kinship with tribalism.There’s quite a bit of difference.

    • Harquebus says:

      02:02pm | 21/12/10

      Another who thinks they know best for others.

    • Samuel Patterson says:

      02:15pm | 21/12/10

      Author: Perhaps we should drag you into a majority caucasian Australian BBQ and force you to accept majority our ways, for fear you allow your narrow minded anti-caucasian attitude to pass to your kids. Then you won’t be so intolerant of caucasian Australian cultural beliefs.

    • Soames says:

      03:09pm | 21/12/10

      I agree, children, our future, should be exposed to people from all walks of life, and presumably, that could include the Ministry of Silly Walks. That is where one would draw the line. Children ought not be exposed to the Monty Python phenomenon at an early age. Tory is correct, and one would reject the redneck, racial, jingonistic, self righteous, facist, pathologically deranged souls, who need help, but don’t recognise they do, because hate fuels their vindictiveness, which destroys their very soul. I’ts powerful effect on human behaviour and thinking, sometimes can kill the author, without intervention from others. It’s self destructive. On a summary of your journalistic endeavours Tory, this has to be the shining example of your character. Thankyou for that.

    • John Smythe says:

      03:15pm | 21/12/10

      How this article fails for me.

      1. (including @Duff) the TITLE has the point about exposure to as many experiences as possible. Yet, the *content* is about forced exposure almost to the extent of creating a “freak show” situation as has otherwise been mentioned by someone else, albeit an extreme take, but extreme to emphasise the ludicrous concept.

      It leads me to raise the same questions other have raised, what bubble is the author living in? My own primary though to tertiary education experiences exposed me to more cultures than I can recollect. Hell, just take a trip to the local shopping centre should be enough.

      2. More in the lines of Samuel Patterson’s comments. Reminds me of hte quote in Last Samurai…what exactly is it about your own people you hate so much? (maybe not word for word..)

      which leads to…(and it’s an article in disguise about “boat people…yet again)

      3. I really don’t think a lot of people have that much of a disdain for boat people coming, it is more in the blanket acceptance of ALL coming. The media has forgotten its moral duty by providing balanced reporting (does that even exist anymore?) showing the rejected applicants and reasons why they are being rejected.

      For an issue this hot on the public forefront, such inside reporting would be a worthwhile endeavour no? (Obviously not suggesting the author, herself, should take this on.) The way the media is miss-addressing this issue is beyond rediculous.

      I’m all for helping people in distress.

      I’m NOT for people using illegitimate means to speed their physical access to Australia, crying they need more help than others taking more legitimate means. That who when we are forced to provide for them as they enter through uncontrolled means, then initiate protests, destroying facilities provided for them for FREE, facilities and conditions better than some Australians have to begin with.

      True, this is only a small number among those who really need to become a part of our ever growing nation. But until the light gets shone on the actual processes, proof that non-compliant self-interested individuals are shown the door back home, while others more accepting and patient are let in, and both government and media stop treating the Australian population as sheeple and blanket covering the entire issue, nothing effective can be done. And people will continue to complain and not support the plight of people who could truly require it.

      /soapbox off

    • Kika says:

      04:19pm | 21/12/10

      The only thing that stuck out for me was the comment about once the asylum seekers are living and breathing next to them they will finally put a human face on ‘asylum seeker’. I think Australians need to get out more. See the world. Realise how lucky we are to live here and appreciate the freedom we have. Even compared to Europe we are so lucky.
      For all those who think that they should wait at the door just think for a second how life might have turned out for you if you were born a woman in Iran, or a Tamil in Sri Lanka and whether it’s always possible to flee by making sure your papers are together, going down the local embassy and applying for asylum there and booking flights etc.

      By all means we need to do something about the smugglers because they know the system and know how to get around it. They put these people lives in danger. But the asylum seekers themselves, let them enjoy our peace as well.

      Question - We let the Vietnamese in without much protest. Why is it that the browner skinned and muslim majority (many hindus as well) haven’t been offered the same welcomed as the Vietnamese did back in the 70’s and 80’s? I’d have a fair say that the issue is plain xenophobia against muslims and sheer ignorance at the Tamil hindu asylum seekers presuming their are ‘muzzies’ too.

    • Mark says:

      04:22pm | 21/12/10

      Tory, clearly you are not a parent, have not been to a state school recently and you are blinded by your left wing ideology. Most students in the public system are already exposed to most, if not all these groups you suggest they should. I would not have a clue where to go to find a lesbian to expose my child to. If Ido find one, how should I go about asking if my children can meet her so that they can tick meeting a lesbian off their list?

      Clearly you have not thought this through.

      Here is a suggestion, let kids be kids and let them play with whom they want to. Don’t set a checklist of minorities they must be exposed to, just let them be kids and they will work things out. By highlighting these minorities all you are doing is marking them as being different and as such targets. There is more to the world than left wing inner city fluffy ideology so keep it to yourself or at least do some research and think it through before you put pen to paper rather than regurgitate what you read in the latest issue of socialist parenting 101.

    • Economist says:

      05:55pm | 21/12/10

      “Positive discrimination’, ‘reverse discrimination’, these are terms that the likes of Tombowler, AdamC and other love to bandy around to define the problem as the left idenftying differences and being the underlying cause of the problem. TomBowler claims that we shouldn’t treat anyone any different and I agree and admire his position, but this isn’t the reality of the situation. 

      The reality was that just over a generation ago. Discrimination was prevalent and it was through the action of the Whitlam government that it become enshrined in law not to discriminate. Personally racial discrimination crosses both the left and right divide. No one side is less discriminatory than the other.

      Of course ideally we shoudn’t have affirmative action policies, but the issues is, do they do more good then harm? I can’t quite grasp what the objection is to these types of policies. With a budget of over 300B, direct policy actions in this area would only be in the order of a few million dollars.

      The issues that Tory highlights, is why today people feel comfortable to use terms like reverse discrimination, because they think that discrimination doesn’t exist, precisely because the younger generations have grown up with people of diverse backgrounds and for the most part befriended them.

      I feel sorry for the likes of Eric who seems to consumes himself with the hatred of woman and so called illegal immigrants. The Zen Buddhist in me wants to explain to him that his hatred only harms himself. That nobody really cares unless he acts out on these views in an antisocial manner.

    • Mark says:

      06:30am | 22/12/10

      Please let me know how long we should feel guilty for and apologise for the actions of previous generations?

    • iansand says:

      06:06pm | 21/12/10

      You don’t have to “expose” anyone to anything.  That whole idea is crap.

      What you need is sending the kids to school to mix with the kids who are already there.  You have to tell the parents about the P&C - most P&Cs; are desperate for anyone who will sell a raffle ticket.  The parents should volunteer for the school canteen.  They should join the football club, or the cricket club.  Simple stuff like that will do more than any mandated programme designed to “integrate” people.

    • Jimbo says:

      06:18pm | 21/12/10

      As a white kid who went to a very multicultral high school where whites kids were very much in the minority and daily racism i had to endure from every racial group i think Tory is being a bit naive. The sad fact was few kids saw themselves as Australians even as in a lot of cases both them and there parents where born here. All multiculturalism does is divide us not unite us.

    • David V. says:

      06:57pm | 21/12/10

      Angela Merkel became the first national leader to admit the truth- that multiculturalism has failed. It has been forced onto the West ever since the Holocaust and the Civil Rights Movement, since those events the white male has been brainwashed to feel ashamed of what they are, rather than celebrate the achievements of Western culture and society that makes our countries more liveable to begin with. If everyone was “equal” then why are we driving German and Japanese cars, for starters?

      Forcing people to live together failed miserably in Yugoslavia, creating the mess in the Balkans today. And it is bound to fail elsewhere, as the idealists’ idea of a united pluralistic Europe is coming apart.

    • Economist says:

      10:52pm | 21/12/10

      David V,  I drive a multicultural car or as Holden put it “global”. A Holden assembled here in Australia, but with many parts from overseas. It sits on a beautiful set of Pirelli tyres. Yet I don’t see my tyres having a problem with my brakes and not working because of their different origins.

      Multiculturalism to me is simply a poorly used word. Migrants for the most part do effectively assimilate and some of their culture rubs off on us. Whether you call it mulitculturalism or mulitracialism it’s meaningless, people either get along or they don’t. As for Merkel’s comments they related specifically to Germany. The enforcement of assimilation immigration policies is pie in the sky stuff.  Immigration by its very nature changes a society.

    • Bilby says:

      06:55am | 22/12/10

      Angela Merkel leads one of the few western countries to engage in racial extermination in the modern age. Shame is, hopefully, one of the things that will stop it happening again, and they have a lot to be ashamed of.

      Lest We Forget

      Only by living together can people see that we may not like everything about a religion or culture, but most people are decent people. We are not like Europe, because here we are all Aussies. Where ever we came from, when ever that was, we all share the fact that this is the country that we call home. It’s such a shame that such good slogan was taken by that ranga fish and chip lady who shall remain nameless.

    • David V. says:

      10:27am | 22/12/10

      You can’t tell me there isn’t an alternative to multiculturalism, ultimately it would be better if all ethnic groups lived separately in separate states where they will be totally self-contained and self-reliant. That way everyone will be happy.

      Yes a Holden may very well be Australian made, but tell me, who are responsible for designing and engineering cars? Behind every culture, every industry, there is the people who create and it is an undeniable fact that certain ethnicities- in this case wholly European or Japanese- are responsible for industry being what it is.

      Anyone who invokes the Holocaust needs to be mindful of the injustice that exists in this world, that Dresden and Hiroshima were bombed, Germany and Japan deprived of control of their destiny, while the Allies created a new state called Israel that continues to engage in genocide against defenceless Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza.

    • Bilby says:

      11:23am | 22/12/10

      David V - As the son of a survivor I reserve the right to invoke the holocaust any time I like. Fair enough?

      Hiroshima was bombed because apparently firebombing Tokyo into the ground wasn’t enough to force the surrender. We can discuss Nagasaki if you like.

      Germany and Japan were denied control of their destinies because they started a war and lost. Boohoo.

      Isreal exists due to the overwhelming anti-semitism across Europe. No country would take the millions of displaced Jews, so Europe’s answer was Isreal, and they have fought an existential battle ever since. When Palestine and Iran no-longer openly state that the destruction of Isreal is their goal, you can complain about the poor defenceless Arabs.

    • Economist says:

      01:17pm | 22/12/10

      @David V. “it would be better if all ethnic groups lived separately in separate states where they will be totally self-contained and self-reliant”

      I don’t see how this would solve the problem. Even within a society consisting of one ethnic group there are sub-cultures. For many people these sub-cultures may offend. One could argue the left right divide is cultural, Boganism is cultural, the old and new rich have their own culture etc.

      It seems to me what you’re after is like minded people. Is this feasible? No. My point is regardless of the colour of one’s skin or religious beliefs you can be like minded.  You can be a productive citizen and in Australia, compared with Germany, ethnicity is hardly an issue. As I have previously stated in other Punch articles. Australia has one of the highest rates of interracial marriage, around 24% of the population is not born here. We are not Europe. Our culture is different. I’d like to think that our success is due to our laid back attitude.

      This is why terms like multiculturalism are meaningless to me. Why I’m not offended by affirmative action programs. There will always be winners and losers. If an affirmative action program provides employment or access to services that make that individual a productive citizen, I have no problem with it. What I have a problem with is anti-social behaviour because of your cultural group whether based on your ethnicity or not. 

      As others have highlighted, Tory is simply point out that when children are exposed to diversity they are more willing to accept it. My own 3 year olds best mate at childcare is Tongan, his favourite childcare worker is Sri Lankan. The only group he has a problem with is girls, they don’t have the same interests, and the anti-social kid that bites, pinches and punches every kid at the centre.

    • Rich says:

      08:38pm | 21/12/10

      Despite liking other cultures and being happy to visit them in their country, I do not desire for this nation nor any other Western nation to become multicultural.

      Unfortunately the left wing has an almost pathological love for “diversity” yet actually reduce diversity by creating a worldwide grey mono culture. They seem to think it is imperative for this to happen and any suggestion that it may not be optimal is quickly branded as racist.

      It’s a hard battle to win as they have political correctness on their side as well as control of young peoples minds.

      So I suspect that their efforts will be successful and we will have mindless consumerism, TV porno culture, where everything is based around peoples sense of entitlement to enjoyment.

      Unsurprisingly a lot of this agenda has been peddled for years by certain lobbies in the USA. They push for multiculturalism, endless political correctness, and pump out disgusting crap through Hollywood and the media. All while they are the most ethnocentric race on the planet and value hard work over amusement. It’s called divide and conquer.

      It’s a Brave New World indeed…

    • Economist says:

      11:04pm | 21/12/10

      @Rich “They (the US)  push for multiculturalism, endless political correctness, and pump out disgusting crap through Hollywood and the media.”

      I agree. Transformers 2 was a disgrace. We should not accept robots in disguise.

    • Paul Mason says:

      08:44pm | 21/12/10

      I get your message loud and clear Shepherd.You wan’t to brainwash my kids to think just like you,and given the chance re-educate me to embrace Political Correctness.
      Go to hell.

    • Economist says:

      10:59pm | 21/12/10

      Paul its Xmas.Chill.

      Re-education is simply not possible without self reflection. So Tory has no chance. though I think you should be fair to her and re-read the article this is not her objective.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      09:14pm | 21/12/10

      I very, very rarely agree with Ms. Sheperd but on this I do, my children attended a school with 183 students from 87 different countriesm met gay & straights & people of different religions & have turned out good citizens of Oz. My youngest son has a Christian father, Jewish mother & a Muslim brother in law

    • Leah says:

      11:35pm | 21/12/10

      “Primary school education should include introducing each and every child to the following: person type x y z etc”

      Disagree. It’s a school’s place to teach children academic & developmental skills - reading, writing, maths, history, geography, music, art, PE etc. It is not their place to teach politics. I do not mean they shouldn’t teach how our political system works (on the contrary, our children SHOULD be taught how our political system works) but it should not be teaching them one way or the other which side of politics is right. That is up to their parents.

    • Razor says:

      12:24am | 22/12/10

      Once schools are world leaders in education - then maybe spend some time on social engineering, otherwise let’s focus on the the important things for schools - reading, writing, math and science.

      Let parents decide on what extra socialisation they might want their kids to have.

    • Marc says:

      03:29am | 22/12/10

      I’ve lived in an ethnically homogenous European society as well as multicultural Australia. To be honest, there are positives and negatives about both.

      I’ve found though, that in multicultural societies, many people tend to talk one way and act another. They like diversity in theory and often speak in favour of it, but their life choices such as where to live, send kids to school etc reflect a different reality.

      This is true even in strong Green voting areas. Look at schools in the inner west like Annandale, Balmain and Newtown(all 90% + white), then compare them to the ones a few suburbs over in Ashfield and Canterbury(10% white at most).

      People need to be more honest. When many say ‘we welcome diversity’, they mean ‘we welcome diverse restaraunts, but please dump the non Europeans in the western suburbs with the bogans so our property prices don’t fall’.

      If we’re going to get real about integration, the white middle class needs to stop moving out of areas everytime a non European community gets established there.

      If you say you love diversity and welcome immigration and refugees, yet live in a majority white suburb…your words are hollow.

      BTW where do you live Tory? Lakemba? Cabramatta? Bankstown? Granville? Parramatta? Campsie? Or somewhere demographically similar?

    • Zopo says:

      07:27am | 22/12/10

      If Australia didn’t have the diversity of the people that live here. We would be quite a boring country wouldn’t we?

      The fact that you can eat any type of food any time from any country, watch a movie of any culture, buy a product or service off a person from a different culture, is something I pride this country on.

    • Jolanda says:

      08:01am | 22/12/10

      I guess what we need to decide is whether we should be forcing our children to ‘like’ those who are different just because they are different - irrespective of their personality and ways.

      My children have friends of all backgrounds and nationalities, my children themselves are mixed, and when issues have arisen in friendship groups that have involved children from different backgrounds there is always the child has screams racism when in fact it wasn’t the colour of their skin or the shape of the eyes that was the problem, it was that the child was rude, unpredictable, aggressive and annoying.  Problem is that these children have been told that they are different and that if they are not liked it is because of the colour of their skin or because of their culture/race.

      So do we HAVE TO LIKE those who are different regardless of how they make us feel or how they treat us just because they are different?  Or do we not have the freedom to choose whom we like and dislike?  Surely there should be an obligation that we all treat each other with all due respect but to obligate people to like another just because they are different is in my opinion too much to expect and to ask.

      Education – Keeping them Honest
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    • Jane says:

      08:39am | 22/12/10

      “You’ve got to be taught before its to late
      Before you are 6 or 7 or 8
      To hate everyone your relatives hate
      You’ve got to be carefully taught”

      South Pacific by Rogers & Hammerstein.

    • J says:

      09:46am | 22/12/10

      Well written Tory. I’m studying to be a teacher and I will definitely be creating a diverse and informative learning environment in my classrooms where children and young people will grow up understanding and valuing other cultures, sexualities and ethnicities.

    • Greg says:

      09:03pm | 23/12/10

      I suppose you can’t persuade an adult to believe in your ideology.

      Why don’t you pick on somebody your own size?

    • Cameron says:

      08:49pm | 22/12/10

      Quick. Somebody give me a bucket.

    • Greg says:

      09:05pm | 23/12/10

      “Kids should be exposed to people from all walks of life” ?

      I suppose that you will be advocating for pedophiles next?

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