The battle for the leadership of the Liberal Party is now looking more like a contest for a high school SRC as Joe Hockey turns to social media to ask people what he should do over the ETS - and by default, whether he should shaft Malcolm Turnbull. He also wrote on Twitter today: “Hey team re The ETS. Give me your views please on the policy and political debate. I really want your feedback.”

What are you doing now? No idea…

Social media tragics will hail this as a ground-breaking moment in participatory democracy. Others - I’d call them “almost everybody”  - will just shake their heads in disbelief that the alternative government of Australia has been reduced to tweeting the punters for help as its most senior members become paralysed by panic, opportunism and expediency.

A quick stocktake of where things are at with the leadership:

Tony Abbott - who only a few months back wrote publicly that Malcolm Turnbull should back the ETS and is now destroying him for doing just that - is no longer expected to run for the leadership on Monday.

Hockey has emerged as the consensus candidate, with Peter Dutton (who doesn’t have a seat by the way) as his deputy. The Right will only support Hockey if he agrees to refer the CPRS to a Senate committee, clogging it up well into next year and preventing the Rudd Government from exercising its mandate and passing the legislation.

Hockey, it should be noted, has until now held the exact same views as Turnbull on climate change and stood solidly behind him in supporting the amended CPRS. He said on Wednesday that he was not prepared to “sell his soul” by changing position to win right wing support for the leadership.

His questions to the public on Facebook and Twitter suggest he is now tip-toeing his way to doing pretty much that - if not opposing the CPRS, knowingly sabotaging it by condemning it to a marathon inquiry, during which he may be able to change positions in light of new evidence going to its cost or effectiveness.

It’s not the first time politicians have changed their position to seize power and roll a friend. It’s the first time they’ve conducted it in the social media space, and whether that will be an enduring good look for the Liberals is one thing I seriously doubt.

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    • Joel B1 says:

      11:50am | 27/11/09

      I don’t think you can legitimately dump on Hockey using Twitter. Let’s not forget Rudd and “hey everyone should I go to the movies tonight?” and “if you don’t support me you’re a murderer of unborn children”

    • John says:

      11:53am | 27/11/09

      God forbid politicians canvas public opinion.

    • Ryan says:

      11:53am | 27/11/09

      All politicians ask for policy help on Twitter/Facebook. Calm down, David, there’s more important things going on today.

    • Margaret Gray says:

      11:54am | 27/11/09

      Someone asking for guidance on his own conscience and principles from the conversationally-challenged and lysdexic tossers who proliferate on Twitter does not deserve to lead a mexican wave let alone a political party.

      Is your soul really that cheap Joe?

      How pathetic.

    • Lucy says:

      11:57am | 27/11/09

      Penbo, being the editor of a website that I am sure you would describe as “as a ground-breaking moment in participatory democracy” - or perhaps “Australia’s best conversation”, I find it incredible that you would question Hockey’s willingness to seek opinion through his Facebook page.

      After all, why not reach out to an audience that is likely much younger than those ringing his electorate/Canberra office to put their point of view.

      Surely, if you are considering changing your position, why wouldn’t you canvass widely?

      Why do you tweet your stories Penbo? Why are you on the web? Why don’t you just publish “The Punch” newspaper? Because you know this medium is a good way of getting to a non-traditional audience.

    • nic says:

      11:59am | 27/11/09

      Bloody embarassing. Wake up to yourselves Libs.

    • John Hewson says:

      12:00pm | 27/11/09

      This train wreck just gets funnier by the minute. Labor sure had its share of leadership debarcles over the years, but this episode is more like a monty python sketch than the conduct of a serious political party.

    • H of SA says:

      12:01pm | 27/11/09

      Surely Hockey is too smart to take the poisoned challice of leadership? If he steps in as leader now then I have given his intelligence too much credit.

      Nelson…knifed by the right for being moderate, Turbull knifed by the right for being moderate, Hockey a moderate…..you do the math.

    • Rod J'That says:

      12:01pm | 27/11/09

      Hey team re The Next Election. Give me your views pleas on whether the Liberal Party will lose most of their seats or all of them. I really want your feedback.

    • Louis McLennan says:

      12:03pm | 27/11/09

      If there is one thing I know about the internet and social media. More socialists use it than conservatives(remember all the Obama love?). As you can see on Joe’s twitter he has people responding to the question and the global warming followers are spamming his twitter with the same message several time. Plenty of workers don’t have PC’s to slack off on at the workplace.

    • Craig Mc says:

      12:08pm | 27/11/09

      Well unlike Turnbull, he at least appears to possess the ability to learn.  Nothing will ever penetrate Turnbull’s ego.

    • Grog says:

      12:12pm | 27/11/09

      IF (and a big IF) Joe does do this, expect the line “sold his soul” to get a working out by the ALP… and “Abbott’s puppet”... and “credibility”..

      Geez this is bad, to quote Simon and Garfunkel, “everyway you look at this you lose”... though perhaps the problem is that too many in the Liberal Party are still thinking “Where have you gone John Howard, a party turn its lonely eyes to you”.

      Of course they forget that “John has left and gone away”...

    • Tracey Conlan says:

      12:13pm | 27/11/09

      Where is the leadership of the liberal party going.
      How can they expect to be taken seriously when they blindly ignore the science of climate change and expect to be elected on a “do-nothing” platform. Are they fair-dinkum ?

      Why would Joe Hocky want to lead such rabble ?

    • Jenny Sams says:

      12:15pm | 27/11/09

      Hockey, is lazy, a light weight and no solution.

    • steve says:

      12:18pm | 27/11/09

      So Pembo the assination on the next leader starts?
      How dare he ask what do people think about this
      how dare he be a public Servant
      you would prefer perhaps the Dictums of the beloved leader?

      in the interests of good government we need good opposition so stop the point scoring and report both sides

    • Rod J'That says:

      12:21pm | 27/11/09

      Is that ‘The Benny Hill Show’ theme I can hear playing in the background in Canberra?

    • RattlesTheMost says:

      12:23pm | 27/11/09

      @Craig Mc: spot on. Turnbull doesn’t seem to be able to grasp the possibility of not being in charge. He’s not in it to serve, just to be the boss.

      As for Hockey, appealing to twitter does make him look flaky, opportunistic. Hedging his bets. At least Abbott/Andrews/Minchin and Turnbull are sticking steadfastly to their guns.

      Definitely a poisoned chalice. Can’t see Hockey leading a victorious coalition, and when he loses, he’ll have done his dash. Which leaves Abbott et al…

    • Jack says:

      12:23pm | 27/11/09

      Penbo Whats the Problem? OK for Rudd but not the Libs? Why don’t you go and find out what Kevin is up to today. I guess he’ll be at church praying Turnbull doesn’t get rolled before he gets his ETS through. We wouldn’t want Kevins chance to be seen as the savior of the world ruined would we.

    • AT says:

      12:24pm | 27/11/09

      On one side you have Abbott leading his band of undead and on the other Hockey trumpeting his troupe of tweeting twits. It’s really and truly a massive joke but not very funny as no one is keeping an on Rudd.

      We’re only two thirds the way through Rudd’s first term and already he’s perceived as having greater political stature and standing than Howard ever managed. That’s quite an achievement, Liberals.

    • Andrew says:

      12:30pm | 27/11/09

      At least Cory Bernardi and Co have the courage to stand by their convictions – Hockey doing an about face on this issue shows no real leadership…

      I have no issue with engaging the people about - but really do Twitter users give you an accurate sample of the community?

    • SM says:

      12:31pm | 27/11/09

      @ Jenny Sams
      couldn’t agree more.  The sight of him sitting on the front bench constantly playing with his phone is hilarious.  He is so not leadership material, the fact that he’s even being mentioned shows the utter lack of talent in his party.  Joe reminds me of the spiv who won The Apprentice recently

    • BMJ says:

      12:31pm | 27/11/09

      I’ve always respected Hockey but if he “sells his soul” and takes the debate backwards to whether climate change exists then he’s just a muppet.

      Why change leader if the new candidate is basically a Malcolm Turnbull clone that doesn’t stand for anything?

      Labour must be loving life at the moment.

      “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” I guess you could replace war with Politics and Country with party.

    • Mrs James says:

      12:32pm | 27/11/09

      To be perfectly honest with you I find all amazing, it seems like the Liberals are all jumping off a cliff together. Mr Hockey would have to be a fool to take this mess on, and why should we vote for fools anyway. Tony Abbott is a snake, he showed his real colours jokeying from one view to another and as for that Nick Michin or whoever he is( hes a boring forgettable man), he needs to go back to kindergarten, hes behaving in a very childish manner , poor old Wilson needs a good kick in the bum, hes caused alot of trouble and the rest of them are sheep bleeting loudly as they run for the cliff.
      If you voted for any of them, you have my sympathies,its embarrasing to have voted for this bunch of losers

    • pete says:

      12:33pm | 27/11/09

      this is like an australian version of “yes minister” only funnier.  Who voted for all these drop kicks?  oh, thats right, we did, well, some of us did.  Make that a bad Monty Python sketch

    • Peter says:

      12:34pm | 27/11/09

      Tracy Conlan - you sound like youve been sucked in by Rudds spin too. They don’t agree with Rudd rushing this legislation through before Copenhagen with out more debate and a possible enquiry into the effects of the proposed ETS. That doesn’t make them “do nothing” They aren’t climate change denialists as Rudd and the media keep telling you. They also believe in climate change. There are a couple of them obviously who still think the world is flat, that is also the case in the Labor Party.THEY DON’T BELIEVE THE ETS SHOULD BE RUSHED THROUGH.

    • H of SA says:

      12:37pm | 27/11/09

      @Andrew. If Twitter is an accurate samply of the community I reckon its time we emigrated

    • Steve Blizard says:

      12:44pm | 27/11/09

      David, due to FACEBOOK you are witnessing political history where for the first time ever, Liberal grass root members [the silent majority that work on the polling booths] are finally getting a say about who their Leader should be.  Get over it.

    • Chris Cox says:

      12:45pm | 27/11/09

      Someone has to listen to the public. We don’t WANT the ETS. We don’t WANT our cost of living to skyrocket out of control. It’s already going up far too fast and wages aren’t matching.

      This will do NOTHING for the environment, it is simply a massive tax that the government wants to sweep in under the guise of “doing the right thing by the planet”.

      Even if it did reduce Australia’s emissions, unless the rest of the world follows suit (Which they won’t) it’s utterly pointless.

      So yes, good on you Mr Hockey, listen to us, not the sycophantic scaremongering chicken little sky is falling climate change protagonists.

    • Mark Taylor says:

      12:49pm | 27/11/09

      David Penberthy with comments like this epitomises why I no longer have The Age home delivered, snide, pink, probably pro global warming and nothing of relevance to say.

    • Joel B1 says:

      12:50pm | 27/11/09

      “If you voted for any of them, you have my sympathies,its embarrasing to have voted for this bunch of losers”

      Well, at least they have the option of having opinions, unlike those under the Rudd regime.
      Can some-one remind me if at the last Labor-Love-In they voted on anything? (real question)
      And why did Rudd’s logo “Kevin Rudd PM” appear in 10 ft high letters in marked contrast with “The Australian Labor Party” which appeared in subscript?

    • darren says:

      12:53pm | 27/11/09

      why is anybody surprised @ Hockey’s behaviour? It is not for nothing that he is called the Stephen Bradbury of Australian politics. He only ‘won’ the seat of North Sydney because all the decent liberal party candidates considered Ted Mack invincible. Along came the idiot son of the Group, hey presto Mack announces he is not running again and Stephen is in the Parliament.

    • Joan says:

      12:53pm | 27/11/09

      Why does the Rudd Government and the media keep saying that if anyone is apposed to passing the ETS before Copenhagen then they are skeptics? They aren’t skeptics, they believe in climate change. They just don’t want this legislation rushed through without more debate and inquiry into the effect the ETS will have on Australia. We have not seen Rudd or Wong stand up and tell the Australian people what the effect on Australia will be or even properly explain the ETS.

    • Dave Bathur says:

      12:54pm | 27/11/09

      All these digital channels are so new, who’s to say whether a straw poll like this is a good idea or not? Try it, and see. Hockey can decide what he wants to do with the info after.

      You don’t have to be a ‘social media tragic’ to see it’s myopic to say an approach is wrong because it’s new.

    • Greg S says:

      12:55pm | 27/11/09

      Be nice if instead of asking a bunch of random people he could just ask the members of his own party. You know the ones who pay their membership fees and come out of their homes to stand in the rain/sun on street corners to hand out brochures, how to vote cards, run businesses, etc. I’m a member and not once has my own party tried to even talk to me about this policy. All I know is that Malcolm keeps telling me he is the leader and I must do as he tells me. Strange maybe he will remember who is who when we get to vote at the next election.

    • Alice says:

      01:00pm | 27/11/09

      I don’t see how getting feedback via a tweet or a facebook message is any different to receiving and email, phonecall or letter.

    • Marcus says:

      01:03pm | 27/11/09

      Labors new buzz word far anyone not wanting to pass the ETS before Copenhagen is now “extremist” no longer “skeptics”.

    • Jacki Bailey says:

      01:04pm | 27/11/09

      Ok
      I have posted many things on Joe’s page and also Scott Morrisons.
      Im dead set against ETS.
      I think Jope was just asking for opinions,  come David, why not use todays technology to get feed back from the voters

    • Duke says:

      01:06pm | 27/11/09

      David it seems you have triggered some sense of primal outrage amongst the ‘Social media tragics’ (i.e Liberal Party supporters who would ordinarily take up such a phrase with glee adding it to their lexicon of vulgar idiotic political phrases).

    • Ben G says:

      01:09pm | 27/11/09

      What? A politician asks for the view of his constituents and you find reason to complain? You don’t complain when politicians come on The Punch to explain their views (and not get feedback). What a bloody surprise.
      Facebook is by far one of the better ways to canvass the views of the electorate. Would you prefer he requested smoke signals? 1 puff for ETS, 2 puffs against.
      You can make arguments for or against their positions on issues, but you cannot (and as editor of an online opinion forum, should know better than) poop from on high on a politician who wants to find out the views of the people in his constituency!
      If you’re not careful, “Penbo” will become the new “Dotnose”.
      http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dotnose

    • Joel B1 says:

      01:11pm | 27/11/09

      @Alice ”  I don’t see how getting feedback via a tweet or a facebook message is any different to receiving and email, phonecall or letter.”

      Letter? (i’ve got a printer but the last time i used it was to hassle Scott(ABC CEO) about Junglist)
      Phonecall? (if you can get through to anyone of interest you’re a magician)

      The point of twitting and f’booking is that 1) it’s fast, 2) you don’t have to b literate, and 3) most younger persons can’t type using a qwerty keyboard. (or speak normally)

      Mind you I do agree, the libs getting all yoofy?

    • Joel B1 says:

      01:17pm | 27/11/09

      Thanks Marcus for that info!  “Labors new buzz word ... “extremist” no longer “skeptics”. “

      I’ve always wanted to be an extremist. Thanks to Rudd I’m no longer “ordinary”.

      I’ll have an extra latte to celebrate! (whoops, don’t want to over do it, maybe a skinny soy-moccachino…)

    • Joe says:

      01:20pm | 27/11/09

      I told him to oppose the ETS…

    • KD says:

      01:22pm | 27/11/09

      @Chris Cox .... Couldn’t have put it better myself than both you and Sophie Mirabella have.  CHRIS COX FOR NEXT LIB LEADER!  SOPHIE FOR DEUPTY.

    • Feedback shmeedback says:

      01:25pm | 27/11/09

      Cos, JB, it ain’t feedback from the voters. It’s feedback from a small anonymous group of agitators.

    • Emma says:

      01:29pm | 27/11/09

      I don’t really think that Joe is seeking public opinion on the matter - it’s more about the PERCEPTION that he’s seeking public opinion and is willing to be flexible on the issue. This compares very favourably to Malcolm’s ‘my way or the highway’ leadership, to both politicians and the public (or at least the dwindling numbers left that would consider the Libs at the next election).

    • acker says:

      01:29pm | 27/11/09

      Double Dissolution Election could be held on Saturday 6th February 2009

      The eve of the 1st aniversary of the Black Saturday Bushfires, can things get any worse for the Lib’s ?

    • Randal says:

      01:38pm | 27/11/09

      What a politician using social media… wow that’s ground breaking reporting! Just more balanced commentary from the left, here’s an idea David, how about reporting the facts withouth the bias.. oh sorry that would be journalism, something you lefties have given up years ago. As for the rest of you peanuts supporting the ETS, note this… The Greens are voting it down, and those within the Liberal Party have used their democratic right to try and overturn it as its bad legislation, costs a fortune and does nothing to reduce emissions. It is simply a Rudd inspired ego trip. If you really want to save the planet why dont you ask your hard hat wearing messiah Rudd to put a policy out that actually tackles emissions.

    • Joel B1 says:

      01:41pm | 27/11/09

      “Cos, JB, it ain’t feedback from the voters. It’s feedback from a small anonymous group of agitators. “

      Oh dear, I can see the headlines: “Rudd’s modernity bites back, Libs make quantum leap, they are the real NEW modernists”

    • HM82 says:

      01:42pm | 27/11/09

      I like that you can Poke Joe. Makes him seem all squishy.

    • David Hewison says:

      01:49pm | 27/11/09

      So I can only gather from your article, that you do not appreciate your representative going to the public for their opinion..  You do not accept that it was Rudd that started the electronic craze off, Have you read his Twitter site recently? I guess propaganda you agree with is ok?  BUt if these sites are used to seek opinion that doesnt agree with you, its bad.  Yes you fall perfectly into the idiot left peg hole.

      The fact you published this article shows that you dont think its an imbecilic peice of one eyed bile… and your not bright enough to notice..

      You did get a response though, I’ll give you that.

    • Steve says:

      01:53pm | 27/11/09

      Peter Dutton has a seat, all MP’s must have a seat to sit tin the place. Its Dickson.

    • Lyn says:

      01:54pm | 27/11/09

      It takes a fool to be conned by a Twitter. Does any normal being really think celebrities and politicians sit on Twitter posting away. Get real. These are run by third parties. Who is the fool now.

    • Nick says:

      01:59pm | 27/11/09

      Really good article guys… I love ThePunch! I think he is asking for suggestions / consensus so he can put forard an image as a concerned listener. I don’t think he is seriously looking for policy. Though I would not be surprised if he, or any other Liberal, changes their position on the ETS. At the moment the party is like someone who has undergone a heart transplant but not given any anti rejection drugs. People will have to shift their position for a return to equilibrium the party to take place. I’m a Greens supporter by the way…

    • David Hewison says:

      02:00pm | 27/11/09

      Andrew: Twitter users may not be the best place to go to. except he’s using facebook not twitter..  However, if facebook / twitter are the only avenues to get your view accrss to them quickly.. then it makes sense, that if you feel strongly about this, and want to be heard, to use them.. what other choice to we have? Our votes are only good after the fact.. these forums are live, and have a small chance to show these people what the public sentiment is.

      Besides, all official polls are saying the same.. NO ETS.. Senaters are polling on their web site… last I looked one was 94% against the ETS.

    • Chris says:

      02:05pm | 27/11/09

      None of these blokes will even be the next Liberal PM. The next Liberal PM isnt probably even in parlament yet.

    • Clinton says:

      02:12pm | 27/11/09

      Labor doesn’t have a mandate.

      They don’t come anywhere near a majority in the senate and an ETS was not a contentious issue in the last election (as workplace relations was)

      To say that they have a mandate is just plain dumb.

    • MattR says:

      02:12pm | 27/11/09

      At least he is open to new views on the subject. That sets him well apart from the traitor Malcolm Turncoat and well, any other man-made global warming believer. Rudd Twitters, more than any Lib I might add. Why is it OK for Rudd to twitter but not Hockey?

      The ETS is a scam. It is a massive, job killing, economy destroying, tax grab. It’s based on junk science that has just been proven to be concocted to push an agenda.

      Contrary to the opinion of the left wing media, a Liberal that opposes this lunacy will be popular. More and more people are waking up to the fraud every day (some of us woke up years ago, better late than never however). It is high time the Liberals started fighting for their principles and for the good of the nation. This is why I see this turmoil as a massive positive, because it shows that the Liberals are FINALLY seeing the light, they are FINALLY saying ‘enough is enough’.

      Hockey, if you look at the evidence again, realise it’s a fraud and come out as a true climate skeptic, you will have my support for life.

      Matt

    • Jason Bennett says:

      02:20pm | 27/11/09

      It is clear the author loves Rudd and communism and would love to have ‘politicians’ not have to answer to or seek input from the public. You’d prefer just one glorious leader?

    • Joan Buckingham says:

      02:21pm | 27/11/09

      For goodness sake this is the political arena and to David Penberthy…..  Joe Hockey has done the impossible and that is to go directly to the people and ask their advice.By passing the press who as usual are sharpening their swords WHATS WRONG WITH HIM ASKING THE VOTING PUBLIC.??
      But David you had to stick the knife in didn’t you.What gives you the right to judge what he has done.

                          THE POWER OF THE PRESS.

    • Stephen says:

      02:31pm | 27/11/09

      This the best entertainment ever. I’m off to get some beer and chocolates. A weekend of Test Cricket AND the Libs tearing themselves apart. It doesn’t get any better than this !
      What odds for a double dissolution election in March next year and a further 20 or so seats falling for the Libs? And don’t even talk about the Senate.

    • AT says:

      02:34pm | 27/11/09

      You diehards proclaiming Joe’s twittering as some sort of grassroots celebration of democracy might have a point. Except it comes in the middle of the most chaotic political power play in living memory, revolves around the protagonists renouncing their very own policy positions and just hours before they’re due to vote on it.

      Anyone who seriously believes tweeting Joe (at this late stage!!!!!!!!) will have any influence on policy or that this is anything other than a tactical ploy by Joe Hockey is just as delusion and certifiable as the opposition’s pretenders.

    • Joe Stephens says:

      02:35pm | 27/11/09

      Joe Hockey wants a Westfield Gift Card for Christmas

    • Stretch says:

      02:37pm | 27/11/09

      Double dissolution now and let the people decide by voting for candidates who can clearly state their position on this issue.

    • Eno says:

      02:41pm | 27/11/09

      Clinton - it wasn’t a contentious issue ‘cause Kevin Rudd is implementing the same policy that little Johnny Howard took to the election. Hell how two faced can the Liberals be? What have they been railing against in QT for the last fortnight? The changes to ‘border security’ - changes they voted for en masse.

      The ETS passes the party rooms - something the far right Nationalistas never expected so now they’re having a tanty and taking their wrath out on anyone in sight. I never thought I’d feel sorry for Turnbull but hell..

      Hypocrite - thy name be Liberal Backbencher..

    • Paul says:

      02:44pm | 27/11/09

      Bring on the next Federal Election - that way we can get rid of more Libs and Nationals . . .That includes that Dutton Twit . . .

    • SM says:

      03:05pm | 27/11/09

      Hockey using Twitter is as contrived as Rudd on Youtube.  They do it because their advisors tell them it’ll give them traction with a particular demographic.  Don’t be fooled into thinking they’re actually going to listen to any feedback they get.  But by asking for feedback they’re seen to be listening.  As per usual, more bullshit and deception.  It’s all they know.

    • Tig says:

      03:13pm | 27/11/09

      Many liberals, I believe, wouid agree that there is climate change, but they want the right legislation for the right reasons at the right time, and prior to Copenhagen, based on dodgy scientific data is NOT the right time. What have Labor done over the past two years to fix the Murray Darling system?  A man made catastrophe, to be sure.  Could I suggest that if they cannot solve the Murray problem then they cannot save the world.  Simple as that !

    • Tig says:

      03:13pm | 27/11/09

      Many liberals, I believe, wouid agree that there is climate change, but they want the right legislation for the right reasons at the right time, and prior to Copenhagen, based on dodgy scientific data is NOT the right time. What have Labor done over the past two years to fix the Murray Darling system?  A man made catastrophe, to be sure.  Could I suggest that if they cannot solve the Murray problem then they cannot save the world.  Simple as that !

    • GeeJay says:

      03:31pm | 27/11/09

      I can not believe Hockey would doublecross Turnbull, for the sake of a poisoned chalice…Are the Libs.really going to commit suicide???

    • Vince says:

      03:32pm | 27/11/09

      Amazing! Just how many flat earthers are out there? Is this a problem with our education system? How are we going to save the pacific islands and the great barrier reef with the ice caps melting etc? Even if globing warming is only a 60% chance we have to act. 
      Joe: be true, be strong : you will never win government without a carbon reduction policy.

    • Jacki Bailey says:

      03:36pm | 27/11/09

      Have you EVER looked at Chairman Krudds twitter, he cheated on that, ..many have not even joined his twitter..

      Munch on those apples mate

      and also Get your facts right

      Do you know anything about ETS, Global Warming etc etc..
      I don’t think so

    • Al says:

      03:39pm | 27/11/09

      So what did you think of Rudd’s use of social media during the election Penbo? Genius?

      Why are Hockey’s inane tweets cannon fodder and Rudd’s ignored by you. You could have written this story about Kevin every day for two years.

      Hypocrite?

    • ~Jaguar says:

      03:39pm | 27/11/09

      What a useless article. Someone might want to advise Mr Penberthy that consituents of Australian politicians actually use Facebook, and consider it an effective way to attempt to convey their individual feelings to that particular politician.

      The fact that Mr Hockey actually pays attention to the things that his “Facebook Friends” say, shows a willingness beyond what the general population actually sees in other politicians. Mr Hockey is using the media available to him to gain an additional angle of insight into issues facing the average Australian - and it this attitude that is one reason Mr Hockey is a leading candidate for leadership of the Liberal Party by members of the public.

    • Charles says:

      04:04pm | 27/11/09

      Not a lot of twitter response to his questions - does that make him a weaker candidate for leader ‘cause few follow him?

      Either way, the Libs have shown that in opposition they know less about how to behave than Labour did in the Beazley/Latham/Rudd phase of the LIbs last term in office.

      Rudd has come out showing what LEADERSHIP is about - and I’m not even covering the political agenda.  The Libs have smeared themselves with the slime of their self-focussed ambitions & their behaviour on the hill is nothing less than disgraceful.

      Whatever happens the Libs are likely to put themselves on the Opposition bench for at least two more terms and Kevin and his TEAM have done nothing to deserve this.  Now those Australian who would wish for a change in Govt are condemned to a watching Labour govern for far longer than we would wish.

    • pc says:

      04:07pm | 27/11/09

      Hi Paul - Yes I thought we could be reasonable, there was a point to all this negotiation but as Tig reminds us some people cant make peace with reality let alone negotiate on reality. We should just get on with the double dip.

      There are many liberals that believe climate change is a man made problem that must be tackled with action. John Howard believed this as does Malcolm Turnbull. Tony Abbot even believed this till cassius got in his ear and said ‘It could all be yours Brutus’, ‘you are an honourable man, people would accept it from you’. The problem now for all australians is that coalition supporters such as yourself would rather be at the head of a tin pot dictatorship of hopelessness and obstructionism than be at the bottom of a credible and competitive alternative they did not lead.

      It is a problem for more australians, more than at the last election, they care more now too, than you would like us to believe. Again this is your problem, we dont believe you. You insist there isnt enough science. Then you insist its a tax,  which it isnt, then you insist it isnt environmentally friendly enough, as if you care about the environment (The ets isnt enough without proper global targets). And when we say ‘Oh so you agree on the science’, you again insist ‘there isnt enough science’, and the circle begins again. Lets intervene in this circle and have a double dip. Theres no need to care about joe hockeys future then. It will only be as long as the next election takes.

      There are no environmental or economic reasons to oppose the ets - or at least there are no consistent ones.

      The targets that will be negotiated at copenhagen are just as important as the ets. In order to make the negotiations at copenhagen viable we must be able to negotiate a position. To have a more credible position we should have an ets. The ets is market sensitive, as many have mentioned it is not a tax, its revenues are to assist with the costs of mitigation and its designed to enourage investment in new technologies, new products and new markets. I thought the coalition was the party of free enterprise.

      George Megalogonis in yesterdays Oz on the impact of the ets on households (26/11/09) “But no household will be worse off… Labor will be giving back more than it asks of all sole parents earning up to $160,000 dollars, as well as single income couples, and dual incompe couples earning as much as $120,000, depending on the number of children. All pensioners will be better off. As will be self funded retirees earning up to $50,000 for singles and $90,000 for couples. ”

    • Jane says:

      04:37pm | 27/11/09

      My initial reaction was “Bloody twit” then it occurred to me that Facebook and Twitter respondents were less likely to be the people deluging the Liberal Party with phone calls, emails and letters.  Then it occurred to me that we have a Prime Minister who Twits and Facebooks and thought “Bloody good move Joe”

    • workinman says:

      04:45pm | 27/11/09

      Stand firm Mr Turnbull, many Australians are hoping you win. The alternative is a huge backward step for this country. To those Liberal supporters who help instigate this disgusting mess, you have the consolation of knowing your laughed at in many pubs tonight. Joe would have to be crackers to take this on, let Tony Abbott (hes a snake) have it. Whoever gets this job would have no credibilty with Australins who do feel we need to act and there are many many of them. Most of us love our kids and we know if we have to pay to help their future, we will. Hopefully their electorates will see this as as a voting failure for them and they replace them next election. I wil never vote Liberal again. If they can’t run their own party smoothly, how in the hell can they run a whole country?

    • Troy says:

      05:14pm | 27/11/09

      What a lod of crap. When KRudd set up his Facebook site, he was hail as new and fresh, and up to date. Hockey whats to get some idea what people are really thinking about this ETS, and you bag him for it. David Penthburthy you are a Idiot.

    • Jason says:

      05:58pm | 27/11/09

      Now we have polls on how many are climate “skeptics” It’s not about climate skeptics it’s about passing the legeslation before Copenhagen!

    • Joel B1 says:

      06:02pm | 27/11/09

      Rudd apparatchik Wong says
      “Does anybody really believe that anything will change for these senators after Copenhagen,” she asked.:

      No, but why should it? honestly, listen to an Australian, NOT mad, just NORMAL on why he doesn’t believe in AGW. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI&feature=related

    • Joel B1 says:

      06:09pm | 27/11/09

      And on another matter. The number of “JB’s” comments here is starting to look well suss.
      By that I mean people who comment with a first name starting with “J” and a second name starting with “B”.
      I remind all commenters that the ABC has capitulated to me on 3 or 4 occasions when “people” used my “user name”.

      Sure, use “JB” but be aware “it’s a responsibility to truth, honesty and he American (Australian) way”

    • mcdazz says:

      06:18pm | 27/11/09

      Maybe Hockey should be asking people whether it’s a good idea to let the Liberal Party implode?

      Or is that just a tad too late?

    • 6c legs says:

      06:27pm | 27/11/09

      as another (brilliant) poster stated: the next liberal pm isn’t even in parliament yet:

      Me? I don’t think their next viable leader has even been born yet.

      Joey, Joey, Joey, if you want the poisoned chalice, then mate, Twit/F’book away to your hearts content, give someone - there must be someone - on your side the chance to be groomed/learn how to be a political leader for the elections in 2030…

    • james little says:

      06:34pm | 27/11/09

      can’t tell Joe and Kim apart

    • mcdazz says:

      06:34pm | 27/11/09

      Hockey isn’t a smart man.

      The fact that he has chosen Peter Dutton proves this.

      Dutton is the man who through a tantrum and took off with his bad and ball when he thought his electoral seat might be too tough to defend after an electoral boundary adjustment.

      Instead he went of searching for easier pickings, only to have it all backfire.

      As for Abbott, this is all just a slight of hand.

      Abbott has tried standing for the Liberal leadership on a number of occasions, but he has never had enough support because they know he won’t be a good leader.

      So what does Abbott do?  It’s easy.

      He changes tact from supporting the ETS (with amendments) to no longer supporting the ETS (with amendments), stirs up the pot, announces a spill and hopes like hell the anti-ETS liberals will support him instead of Turnbull.

      In effect, the Liberal leadership vote won’t be a vote for Abbott or Hockey - it will be a vote against Turnbull for his support of the ETS.

      This is not the way to elect leaders.

    • Brad Coward says:

      06:48pm | 27/11/09

      David, I do so love the scent of a hypocrite and the perfume you emit is pure lefty venom.  It almost tickles my nostrils in the same way as a good squrt of JOOP!  When Kevin Rudd does it…it warms the heart.  Anyone else do it…how dare they !

    • Dave says:

      07:36pm | 27/11/09

      you leftist running dog. Without a senate majority, Rudd has a mandate for nothing

    • Heléna says:

      08:30pm | 27/11/09

      I don’t think there is anything wrong with Joe Hockey or any politican asking for an opinion via any social media I would expect he has done the same within his own electorate - he still maintains that he will not stand while there is an incumbent leader - I guess the next week will tell

    • jannie says:

      08:45pm | 27/11/09

      You dimwits dont even know what is going on.

      The Liberals still support ETS & still have it in their platform. Shadow cabinet (including Minchin, Abbott & the other backstabbers) all supported Rudds ETS.

      All they want is for it to go to senate review until Feb - where Liberals are a minority.

      You people are too stupid to even know what the Liberals

    • pc says:

      09:07pm | 27/11/09

      Hi Brad, You must be another of our visitors from the planet vogon. If you werent you would know that Dave’s very far from a lefty. Not that theres anything wrong with that of course. Some of my best friends have voted liberal. I dont think they will be anymore though.

    • JP says:

      09:45pm | 27/11/09

      Penberthy, how long have you been paid up member of the Labor Party? Pathetic excuse for journalism.

    • Duke says:

      10:24pm | 27/11/09

      Why is Dutton being tapped for a deputy leadership role when his seat is eroding around him?

    • Dallas Beaufort says:

      12:38am | 28/11/09

      Oh boys, Joe Hockey? The time for cuddly toys is over !

    • Jacquie Butterfield says:

      12:47am | 28/11/09

      There are ways to canvas public opinion, maybe a different approach would be more dignified and have more weight.  Who knows.

    • Blogger says:

      07:39am | 28/11/09

      Seems the Far Right of the Liberal Party can’t abide elections. The Liberals took pretty much this ETS to the people at the last election. Now we have a small group making a lot of noise in a targetted campaign to try and overturn their Party’s word, by fear and lies. It’s rotten. This nasty little campaign running now is undemocratic to the last degree. Election by blog bile? Not in my country.

    • zinc says:

      09:21am | 28/11/09

      And rudd on rove is real dignified?

    • Jason says:

      12:30pm | 28/11/09

      God forbid he bypass the interpretation and selective reporting of the mainstream media.  Media sites have had a stranglehold on public opinion for too long, and Hockey is just showing some intelligence to go straight to the public.  Who’s a dinosaur?

    • Bemused says:

      01:25pm | 28/11/09

      So are the hysterical bleatings of the Libs here proof that Twittering is indeed silly, or are they deep down lovers of Kevin Rudd? Hypocrites eh?

    • keIThy says:

      07:38am | 29/11/09

      The Metrosexuals must be crying in their crack-pipes! Lol !!!

    • Luv Goodwin says:

      08:43am | 29/11/09

      This article is contradicting itself - it only supports conservative changes but says that the Liberal Party cannot go backward! The rationale of Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey to object to compromising Labor in ETS is a short sighted ‘Party Stance’.  They should be looking at the big picture of what is good for the future. By agreeing they are not helping Kevin Rudd & Labor. Someone has to lead to do something otherwise a society cannot go forward.  No one wants to pay or sacrify unless they are forced to. No-one likes new taxes or take out Private Medical Funds under a compulsory basis but the citizens have to cope with it and they have coped with all the good intentioned unpopular changes. Something has to work out so that the whole society pays for the changes/improvements.

    • Liz says:

      03:04pm | 29/11/09

      I don’t think it is the twitter scenario that is getting peoples backs up.
      It is the fact that he said that he would not go against his consciense & principles & sell his soul.
      What he is asking is permission to ditch his fundamental beliefs to run for leader & be Minchin’s mouthpiece.
      If I were Joe I would sit back & let things play out. Otherwise he will have wasted the best shot of leading the party to victory. The conservatives want him as a stop gap while they media groom Abbott to a more palatable level, envisaging an election loss next year they will then oust Hockey for Abbott.
      Stay put Hockey, they want a sacrificial lamb. If Turnbull gets ousted then let Abbott take the poison chalice.

    • steve says:

      03:09pm | 29/11/09

      Al says:
      To be fair Al, Rudd copped a lot of ridicule in the media & from the opposition benches for his Facebook & Twitter foray.

    • Jason Hando says:

      07:40pm | 29/11/09

      Joe Hockey asked on Twitter on Friday what the public thought of the ETS policy. Here is the summary graph from 1500+ replies: http://bit.ly/info/4rdDC2.

 

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