Gender pay equity never fails to raise temperatures.

Women in the workplace need to get tough or get out. Pic by Charlie Brewer.

Like climate change, there are many out there who deny women get paid less than men for doing the same job. 

Last night the House Employment and Workplace Relations Committee chaired by Labor MP Sharryn Jackson tabled its Making it Fair report in Federal Parliament.

The report claims women are paid up to 17 per cent less than men and that female dominated employment sectors such as child care and aged care are synonymous with “low paid work”.

Speaking to me this morning, Jackson said some of the worst pay gaps occur in white collar sectors including the legal profession and architecture. 

The Australian Institute of Management’s research backs this up. Released in September it revealed male executives were paid 10.2 per cent more than female executives – a slight improvement on its 2008 results.

The AIM is hardly a feminist organisation so hold your conspiracy theories please. Data from 759 organisations was examined to find a big enough sub sample where men and women were doing the same jobs to compare “like against like”. 

While some reasons for gender pay gaps are outside a woman’s control others are not such as our own self limiting behaviour. 

I’ve been writing a career column for years and have received hundreds of emails from women complaining about pay. When I suggest they put a well researched pay rise pitch to the boss, they’re horrified.

“Why should I have to ask my boss for a pay rise? He knows what I do,” is an all too common response. The answer is, ‘because you want a pay rise’. 

Karen Adamedes worked her way to general manager level at Telstra before leaving to write a book - Hot tips for Career Chicks – Unlocking the CODE for success. She is now GM of Sales at online directory True Local.

She was also part of a live forum CareerOne ran for women last week along with four other panel members including The Punch contributor Tracey Spicer.

Adamedes says women send a “scud missile” through their pay negotiations by saying things like, “well of course it is not about the money” when describing what they value about their job. 

She says men judge each other by how much they earn – not job titles. They are also much better at asking one another subtle questions about pay to suss out which job comes with a car space or shares.

Women also have a tendency to wait until they are picked for promotion or only push for a step up when they are 110 per cent qualified for the job.

We worry about being liked and fear being labelled pushy or aggressive.

“I’ve often been called aggressive. They can call it aggression, but I call it assertion,” former head of Apple Di Ryall told the forum.

She now runs her own company, Xplore for Success to train executives of both genders. 

Federal MP Bronwyn Bishop told the audience “to find ways to strengthen your resolve” when going after goals, forget about being liked and aim for respect instead.

“When you put your hand up for leadership, someone will have a go at you; someone will want to give your head a kick. If you can handle that, go right ahead and do it, if you can’t, don’t put it up at that time.” 

Bishop said she was accused of being ambitious when she first ran for the Senate and President of the NSW Liberal Party in 1987. 

“I said ‘you bet I’m ambitious, I’m ambitious for my country, I’m ambitious for my people to succeed … there is no one more ambitious than me.’  That shut them up, they couldn’t use it again.”

“I am still the only woman to cross from the Senate to the House to the Ministry.” 

“I agree with Bronwyn, get over this being liked, get over thinking things are personal,” Di Ryall said. “Men are inclined to have really good battles about a topic and afterwards they go out and have a beer together, women go home, maybe with the tissues but then they churn over it for the next 6 months.  It’s like get over it.  Get equal or get out, but don’t just sit there doing nothing.”

Spicer added: “I’m always conscious of that when talking to my daughter. I’m always praising her about being the good girl and then thinking, ‘why I’m doing this? She’s not going to have the balls to be able to get to the top in business while I’m praising her for being a goodie two-shoes.”

There are other things we need to master such as risk taking, supporting women who want families and careers and, Spicer would add, learning to compete without tearing each other to bits.

“Support other women. Too often we try to drag each other down and see only women as our competitors.”

Kate Southam is the editor of Careerone.com.au.

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    • Simmo says:

      03:47pm | 24/11/09

      Gee that women second from the left is very masculine looking…

    • Eric says:

      03:51pm | 24/11/09

      More feminist garbage.

      If women do equal work, they get equal pay. All else is ideological nonsense.

    • AdamC says:

      03:53pm | 24/11/09

      This is a good article. I am always in favour of a self-help, as against a ‘someone else should do something’, approach to solving these sorts of problems.

      I think you overrate men a little. Bounding into the bosses office and assertively and convincingly making a case for a pay rise or promotion is not that easy for most men.

      In any event, just because women as a group are supposedly less likely to aggressively promote themselves and risk being disliked, that doesn’t mean that anyone as an individual woman can’t be as tough and ambitious as she wants. And, if enough women took that view, maybe we wouldn’t be talking about this issue at all!

    • Steven says:

      04:17pm | 24/11/09

      Yay!  Finally someone who says it like it is.  I’ve seen a women who should go for a managment position not do so, only because they see the ‘risk’ or other problem stopper her.  Yet there was no glass cleaning but the one her mind invented.

      But also too many take things personally and step on everyone’s toe’s loosing all the respect they have.  The worst female bosses I’ve had couldn’t give a dam about respect!  So these bosses often lost the respect of the other women in the office as well as the guys.  The best female bosess I’ve had can judge risk, value respect and doesn’t take everything personally.  Just like a good male boss does, crap male bosses are a different kettle of fish (list too long).

      I thing this article is very true to the mark.  Yet one thing it doesn’t point out is, yes more women do child care and lower paid work.  But could people afford higher child care costs to pay higher wages?  I think not!  Take everything with a grain of Salt.  Otherwise spot on smile

    • Ellie says:

      04:24pm | 24/11/09

      Good point Adam.

      I think plenty of men could have done with the advice given to women at the forum as well. Know what you want, network incessantly, develop an ego - none of those things are inherantly gender-specific.

    • Chade says:

      04:33pm | 24/11/09

      @Eric: you obviously forgot the “should”, because the evidence is saying otherwise.

    • Jason E says:

      04:34pm | 24/11/09

      Eric, you are a tosser. The whole point is that in many cases, women do NOT get equal pay to men for doing exactly the same job . It’s hardly feminist garbage. It’s all about basic human rights.

    • Kate Southam says:

      04:44pm | 24/11/09

      The man second from list is Anthony Howard - a professional mentor and founder of the Confidere Group. He said lots of great things but not about pay. Anthony made a good point about men being oblivious to the male-female divide: “I think [women] can go into a situation with some sort of mindset that says, ‘I’m about to encounter a male dominated environment’ and that can already be undermining you and your presence in the room.  I think business is geared to success, its not geared to male success.”
      He also said: “I think it’s really quite shameful that the paucity of women in leadership roles in Australia is beyond embarrassing and something has to be done to fix that.”

    • Eric says:

      04:55pm | 24/11/09

      No, the evidence does not show any pay inequity. Women get the same pay for the same work: it’s specified by law. If they didn’t get the same pay, they could go to court.

      All this feminist hoo-ha is based on false assumptions - that women who take months and years off work have the same amount of experience as men who work full-time, that totally different jobs have the same value.

      It’s the human rights of men that are under attack, as the government intends to rob them of their fair pay for false ideological reasons.

    • Budz says:

      04:57pm | 24/11/09

      Eric, I think you should read the article about being in denial before you read this article,. Here it is: http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/elvis-has-left-the-building-a-brief-history-of-denialism/

      Why can’t you still accept something that is continually proven by organisation after organisation? Is this similar to you not being able to accept climate change? Mate if you think sexism doesn’t exist out there against women, I think it’s time you got out into the real world or got your head out of the sand.

    • T.Chong says:

      05:24pm | 24/11/09

      Its in the non unionised private sector that these injustices occur.
      Maybe if more women put their money where there mouth was, ie join their union,conditions would improve, as Im not aware of any industrial award anywhere that pays men more than women.
      (can someone point out if this does occur anywhere?)
      If that is too namby pamby socialist, for rugged individualists, than you can hardly complain.
      Its a shame that women, who face such workplace issues are the very group that are most reluctant to be part of their respective union/association.
      Remember folks : “You cant hurt me,Im part of the union”
      It pays to belong.

    • paulm says:

      05:36pm | 24/11/09

      Regarding the low pay in the industries woman dominate, like health care and child care - these are industries where its socially difficult (in Australia at least) to operate on an all out profit (greed?) based business model that most other industries operate under.  Everyone agress that the workers in these industries should be paid more, but how are you going to recuperate the costs?  Whereas in other male dominated fields capitalism rules supreme and the salaries reflect this accordingly.  I don’t think that childcare or healthcare should become any more privatised than they are though, or we’ll end up like the disgraceful situation in the USA.  Instead I think the same ethical standards and social conscience should be applied across all industries.  But good luck with that as money = political power = buying politicians and blocking these sorts of changes.  Just look at your recent story about bank executive salaries as a good example.  So basically I think women are being punished for preferring to work in industries with a heart.

    • Daniel says:

      08:28pm | 24/11/09

      I thought Bronwyn Bishop being in te Liberal party wouldnt have been in favour of higher pay for women? She was a big supporter of Work choices which was going to drive down everyones wages including women.

    • Rochelle McDonald says:

      08:52pm | 24/11/09

      A brilliant and inspirational session - I have used the books from the event as motivation on my desk and I read a new inspirational quote each morning to inspire me in the workplace. Thank you for the forum - thank you for the insights and thank you for giving us a panel that challenged us and motivated us.

      Thank you Rochelle McDonald

    • Davo from St Kilda says:

      05:46am | 25/11/09

      Here we go again with the LIE that women are paid less than men. Isn’t it interesting that those who claim that women are underpaid can’t provide even ONE example of a woman being paid less than a similarly qualified and experienced man who performs the same job as his female workmate? C’mon!!! Give just one example! No need to give names, just give hourly/weekly rates of pay of any woman who is being paid less than her male peers in the workplace. I guarantee that not one person can do this. If women could be paid less than men to do the same job, then every male would be out of work. But they’re not, and this is because every male and female worker is paid according to merit, not gender.

    • AJ says:

      07:44am | 25/11/09

      I agree that women need to toughen up and be less afraid of what everyone else is thinking. However, I would also add that this does not mean that fundamental changes need to occur in how business operates. I think the move to have pay transparency in the upper levels of business is a good move, especially since part of the problem in asking for a pay rise is not knowing how much to ask for. The other problem is that many women are not aware that they’re being paid less than their male counterparts so are unable to take any measures such as asking for a pay rise or going to court. Nowadays of course we have the added risk (for both genders) of losing our job during a time when there are very few going around, so nobody wants to annoy the wrong people or ask too much for fear of being scrapped. For me in a casual job that is particularly relevant, since I can be sacked pretty much whenever they want.

      So I guess what I’m saying is that the above tips are fantastic and really useful, but they need to be met by a willingness from business and industry to tackle the problem. It’s not all about government/business taking action, but similarly it’s not all about the individual either.

      Furthermore, I think it’s important to push women and girls away from the pressure to always look good, be pleasing, not annoy anyone, sort out everyone’s problems, and always be in a relationship. These things are constant and I have seen situations where women pointing out problems in a workplace are labelled as “nagging” while their male counterparts are seen as “taking the initiative”. We need to get over the idea that women are there to please because our attitudes about that seep into the minds of the young women of tomorrow. The message? Only do what other people want you to do, or else nobody will accept you. That’s a tough message for a teenager, and it’s no surprise it’s flowed on. All we can do now is work to counter it both in terms of society’s attitude to women and women’s attitudes to themselves. I think working on this will ensure that in future women aren’t scared to stand up for themselves and say “No, it is not OK that you pay me less” and “Yes, the money does matter”.

    • Liz says:

      08:23am | 25/11/09

      When Eric and those like him come into the real world and women learn the lessons and become assertive and learn to confidently ask for what they want we’ll be getting somewhere.

    • Eric says:

      09:01am | 25/11/09

      When feminists stop blaming an imaginary worldwide male conspiracy against women for all their problems, and start to look at the real causes, then we’ll be getting somewhere.

 

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