As our annual obsession with national identity reaches its peak, after weeks of debate into the meaning of red meat, high carb beverages and the quaint French phrase ‘oi, oi, oi’, here is one more idea to think about.

National pride. An Australian girl visiting Gallipoli in the Australian flag. Photo AP

On Australia Day 1999 the Coalition Government introduced the reaffirmation ceremony to mark 50 years of Australian Citizenship. It’s a pretty simple idea where natural born Australians join with those who are taking up citizenship for the first time to recite the pledge together:

“As an Australian citizen, I affirm my loyalty to Australia and its people, whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and whose laws I uphold and obey.”

I like the idea and have suggested we take this up in my own local Council area in the Sutherland Shire in Sydney in future years. The appeal of the reaffirmation is that it’s inclusive.
Citizenship imposes obligations on all of us, not just those who sign up. Now I know we all understand this, but there is something about standing up, shoulder to shoulder, with those who are becoming Australians for the first time, and identifying that we have the same rights, responsibilities and obligations to our country.

It is also an opportunity for those whom citizenship has been a birthright to pause and reflect on just how lucky we are. New citizens have the opportunity to say it out loud. It’s nice to have the same opportunity.

What I like about citizenship is that it’s absolute. I cannot be more of an Australian citizen than you and vice versa. The act of saying this together is a great demonstration of this fact.

I know that many Australians are concerned that there is still a long way to go before all sub-groups within our broader Australian community are flowing effortlessly in the mainstream of Australian society. I agree that this should be the goal. The question is, are we helping or hindering this goal?

In the past we called this assimilation. Today, people get offended by this phrase, just as many dislike the word multiculturalism. These language anxieties are the product of too many politically charged and correct conversations. For me, I believe these words have the same objective.

You don’t have to deny your heritage to embrace your Australian future. But you cannot seek to create an Australia for yourself that simply mirrors what you left behind – isolated from the rest of our great community. Our shared values, culture and laws define what it is to be Australian, and that is what brings us together.

Last year I trekked Kokoda with a team of young people form the Shire and Bankstown with my friend and parliamentary colleague, Labor MP Jason Clare.  What struck me most during those six and a half days of pain, was that we all shared one thing. The diggers died and sacrificed themselves for all of us – none more than the other.

They had no idea about who would be living in Australia in sixty years time. They died to defend Australia’s freedom and values and create a future for our country. A future where today 45% of Australians have been born overseas or at least one of their parents were. We are all part of this future they made possible and we had joined together to honour those that had bequeathed it to us.

As we stood at the Isurava Memorial Dr Jamal Rifi stood with the young Muslim Australians he had brought along with him, and said proudly in a mark of deep respect at this sacred Australian site, our faith is Islam our country is Australia. If you believe in freedom or religion as one of Australia’s great virtues, then you will really appreciate just how magnificent that statement was.

Dr Rifi is one of those extraordinary Muslim leaders in Sydney’s south west who champions daily bringing together his community into the mainstream of Australian society. He is a great Australian.

We do not help the Dr Rifi’s of our country when we allow attitudes of division and hatred to brew. Such attitudes play into the hands of those who favour exclusion and conflict from both sides of the debate. These negative individuals seek to define their communities by who is opposed to them and who they oppose, rather than what they are a part of.  They like the ‘us and them’ narrative, it suits their purpose, but it is not in our national interest.

As Australians, we cannot allow the ‘us and them’ mentality to dominate our thinking. There is no ‘us and them’ if we are truly serious about what Australian citizenship really means.

Australia is an inclusive notion. We are not a combination of unrelated sub-communities who all happen to live on the same big island. We are a great Australian community that shares values, obligations and responsibilities to make what we leave behind, even better than what we inherited, whether by birth or choice.

So this year on Australia Day why not renew your vows. Go to the website @ http://www.australianaffirmation.org.au to learn more about it. It’s probably too late to get involved in any formal ceremony. So why not just do it around your BBQ with your family and your mates as an act of thanksgiving for the carcinogenic bounty you are about to receive.

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    • Eric says:

      05:06am | 25/01/10

      The ‘us and them’ attitude is alive and well in The Punch, with many authors condemning people who don’t share her narrow-minded views as “Bogans”, “hillbillies” and “rednecks”.

      If we want a unified nation, perhaps those haters should stop vilifying their fellow Australians.

    • Chase Stevens says:

      09:35am | 25/01/10

      Well to be fair Eric The Punch articles have been mostly about the people who are racist twats. The casting of them as Bogans just reflects what those people have done to the loveable larrikan Bogan stereotype, which is to trash it and honestly if the New Racist Bogan doesn’t like being hated on then they shouldn’t be haters themselves.

      Not saying that them hating people is an excuse for people to hate them but it’s to be expected.

    • Patrick says:

      01:26am | 26/01/10

      As an American, i was deeply moved by this article….well written…thoughtfully expressed..Happy Australia Day…to each and every one of you….

    • T.Chong says:

      05:09am | 25/01/10

      Scotty, you havent been reading between the lines of Abbotts recent speech, hard enough.
      Abbott is playing Howards stinking race card ,again, and will no doubt repeat as the election draws near.
      Abbott and fellow far right Libs arent too interested in assimilation, they just want a non white bogey man to scare the kiddies with.
      Sad to say the dog whistle of racism (standard Lib weapon) has been dusted off, and is ready to be fired up between now and the election.
      He wants more immigration, as long as they are cashed up , and preferably white.

    • Luke says:

      07:34am | 25/01/10

      T.Chong - Putting your own personal spin on what Tony Abbott thinks and says makes you another Rudd clone. At least if your going to demonise him use his actual qoutes not YOUR interpretation of what he says and thinks.

    • marie says:

      08:17am | 25/01/10

      T.Chong. Your way off the mark. Fair bit of emotion in there !!

    • nic says:

      10:45am | 25/01/10

      Oooh, Abbott dared to mention immigration. That must mean he’s a racist /sarc

    • John says:

      11:21am | 25/01/10

      T.Chong is right, Abbott clearly flagged his intention to make immigration his main election issue.  He will be appealing to the same prejudices and fears that got Howard lected those years ago.  It is pathetic, but it is true.

    • H of SA says:

      11:52am | 25/01/10

      John, I sincerely hope your wrong - but sadly, I suspect you are correct. I hope Mr. Abbot proves me wrong. Going through that again would be as depressing as it would be pathetic.

    • annie forrest says:

      12:04pm | 25/01/10

      Why not make immigration an election issue! Are major citys are struggling with water traffic violence housing and ethnicity now. To me it makes sense that the populace has the ability to have an input oh how we want are future. Its very important we don’t bring more ethnic or religious violence into the mix and turn OZ into a copy of most European cities. You cant just put your head in the sand and pretend multiculturalism works like a dream. Get real

    • Kelly says:

      12:29pm | 25/01/10

      I don’t understand your problem with Abbott making immigration an election issue. Whats the problem? are you scared he may have the interests of the majority of Australians at heart and may win over a few votes from your dear Mr Rudd. To be elected you must have the majority of the votes, if you don’t like what he has to say about immigration don’t vote for him. Vote for the Dudd..

    • H of SA says:

      12:42pm | 25/01/10

      Kelly, that’s just it - If Abbot goes down the Howard road I will be taking your advice about who to vote for. Not because I particularly want to vote Labor, but because its better than another decade of dog whistling.

      It upset me when it first came out, but now I’m just tired. Sick and tired of being reminded that I live in a country where the politics of fear is an election tactic.

      I reckon most of my fellow Aussies agree judging by the polls - but that just won’t stop the “conviction politicians”. They should have learned that Australia rejected that agenda in 07. But now we have to tell them twice. If one thing upsets me more than an incumbent that spins too much - its a defeated party that (implicitly) insists that I got it wrong at the last election by bringing back the same old policies. Listen or lose my vote. I dislike having to repeat myself because the other person was too rude to listen. And tha’t why the Libs won’t get my vote - or the vote of 56% of the nation according to the last newspoll

    • john says:

      12:45pm | 25/01/10

      I am all for an honest and educated discussion on immigration and the future of Australia, in fact i think it’s something we need sooner rather than later.  What I don’t want to see is another scare campaign based on emotions and the odd outright lie (Tampa anyone) simply for the sake of winning votes.

    • John A Neve says:

      06:16am | 25/01/10

      Just for once I agree with Eric. There is a massive divide still in this country, much of it as a result of government policies. Fanned to a great extent by sections of the media. Then we have the issue of dual-citizenship, how can you have allegiance to two countries.

      I good idea Scott, but not practical in todays Australia.

    • Wayne Hutchins says:

      07:03am | 25/01/10

      Scott, your statement,
      “They had no idea about who would be living in Australia in sixty years time. They died to defend Australia’s freedom and values and create a future for our country” is true.
      I remember my grandfather saying before he died that if he had known what type of country he was defending he would have went home…It destroyed him every Anzac day. Lost good mates and for what he would say. I have been told that in the past by a few other veterans as they shake there heads in disgust. They went to war not fighting for what we are now! They were fighting to keep what we had then.
      Make of that as you will but I wonder If I would go to war to defend what we have got now? I also wonder as I look around the ranks just how many new Australians I would be prepared to go to war with? A piece of paper and a nice warm and fuzzy speech doesn’t mean automatic loyalty to this country. Sorry but there is an “us and them”! It’s just romantic nonsense to think it is any other way. It happens in every country around the world so why think it would be different here? Are we any better than the rest of the world? I think not. We are racist whether you are willing to admit it or not.
      I think I’ve lost my rose colored glasses. I know many who went to war did!
      Happy Australia day!

    • Patrick says:

      08:32am | 25/01/10

      Scott Morrison certainly has a way with words, very eloquently and cleverly written as usual, but designed to mask the true ugliness of their underlying meaning. The opposition has little left to talk about, even their main talking point, the economy, is now more or less dominated by Labor, The only thing left for them to do is to tickle the not necessarily racist, but xenophobic underbelly of middle Australia, to stir up fear about the great northern hordes apparently amassing for a, as Tony Abbott puts it, “peaceful invasion”, to destroy our way of life etc etc, all in the name of votes.

      Scott, you don’t have 9/11 or the benefit of being in government this time around. Not only might playing the race card, even in as well crafted words as your own, do more harm to your electoral prospects than good, but it will permanently tarnish the Liberal party’s reputation for generations to come, it’s policies will be viewed in hindsight with the same level of shame that the White Australia policy is viewed with today.

      Surely it is a shame that the Great Liberal party, which stands on a platform of free enterprise, individual rights, the freedom for people to succeed or fail on their own merits and the liberation of all humans from oppressive bondage, now has little more to do than stir up fear and quite frankly, bigotry about vulnerable people fleeing oppressive governments.

      Do you really want to become One Nation 2.0? Abbott is not only playing the race card, but his ideas and philosophies are not even as compatible with the free market as you might think, his socialist tendencies are more obvious than Rudd’s.

      The strategy might even work, against all odds you might win the election, but is the long term damage to the party or Australia as a whole worth it?

    • James says:

      08:49am | 25/01/10

      @Joe says:09:32am | 25/01/10
      It really is sad to see how many posts appear on the punch these days from members of the far-right. With people like Joe in the world its little wonder that Indian students are being beaten up. By all means lets debate the issues, but could the moderator please try and filter out this kind of crap?

    • Joe says:

      01:49pm | 25/01/10

      First. I don’t subscribe to the left/right bullshit. Thats just a divide and conquer tactic used by the elites to control the half witted masses.

      Second. I don’t go around beating up people or races I don’t like. Attempting to tie me and my viewpoint to those who do is about as sophisticated as me tying you and yours to the soviet gulags.

      Third. You really don’t see anything wrong with agreeing to a debate then calling for the opposing veiwpoints to be silenced, do you?

    • Liz says:

      08:59am | 25/01/10

      Let’s just get on with being a Republic that might help.

    • Leigh says:

      02:23pm | 26/01/10

      Please explain how becoming a republic ‘might’ help, Liz.. It wouldn’t change what people do or think. And, if you do a bit of reading, you will find that the foulest countries in the world are usually republics.

    • Matt says:

      09:24am | 25/01/10

      Patrick, mate did you even read what Scott’s article was about? Peaceful invasion, racist card, white Australia policy, 9/11?? In this article I can find not one point where the race card is played, other than to acknowledge the contribution Scott outlined, by an Australian of Islamic faith (which is of course not a race) professing his love for his country after we walked the gruelling Kokoda Trek with Scott.

      Guys what’d you think, does Patrick’s comment look like a generic partisan/liberal bashing comment that he likes to use to take out his built up and oddly held frustration with odd blurbs of comments. Patrick I’ve read your comments before on this site. From what I can tell you seem far on the radical left that even the Michael Moore would say “wow that guy is loopy”. And your comment… It’s like you’ve read the hungry, hungry caterpillar and then started a rant about how it was so terrible and instead of referring to the book, you start talking about Mein Kampf.

      Does anyone else agree here with me or am I the odd one??

    • Chase Stevens says:

      09:37am | 25/01/10

      When did they start standing for individual rights again? I assumed they were still a conservative party, I had no idea they had gone back to being libertarian again.

    • Wayne Hutchins says:

      01:36pm | 25/01/10

      And It is time, many more people than that don’t find the colonial flag as you call it offensive. Just what is modern Australia? What is so modern about us that we need to ditch our history. Are we offending refugees?How can our flag be offensive to anyone. Do you not look to our flag with pride? Now that’s what I’m talking about! Would I go to war today? Not in a fit for this mob…

    • Ricky says:

      06:57am | 26/01/10

      I wonder how many ‘new Australians’ would be prepared to fight for this country?Not many i think.I have served in the military & there were few if any ethnic minorities wearing the uniform.My grandfather was also a digger Wayne & he said the same thing.I think he was discusted at how the Australian people where treated like 2nd class citizens,& cant be proud of their culture & heritage in case we offend the waves of immigrant minorities we are letting in our country.That wasnt what he fought for.

    • Faten says:

      05:07pm | 26/01/10

      Wayne Hutchins, whilst people like myself who love this country, love the freedom but are embarassed about recieving unsolicited attention because i look different, i still would not prefer my parents home country above this one!
      But you also must consider, yourself and your xenophobic veterans, that they invaded countries at the demand of their superiors in an apparent cause to ‘free the people and make it democratic’ or whatever reason, (each war is different). You then have no choice to open up your borders for people who feel threatened by their government for being on your side, who nolonger feel safe, no longer have a home and no longer have any short term goals or hope of finding employment and feeding their family. These people than have no choice but to apply to come to countries such as the one who invaded theirs, to have any prospects of surviving.
      Nobody bregrudges you or anyone else of their opinion, but if your veterans are so digusted than anybody considering inlisting and who is inlisted in the armed services should wipe away any xenophobic thoughts and expand their worldview because they are helping to destroy other peoples lives even if its for the safety of their own country.
      Not all non anglos are terrorist or a threat, they too want to be part of this country and culture, yes its hard for them to let go of their old culture, but them and their children probably know more about Australia and Australian history than your average Anglo!

    • Alana Neilson says:

      08:01am | 25/01/10

      TChong, Ranting UNTRUE statements like this and portraying Abbott as a racist does your cause no good.
      “He wants more immigration, as long as they are cashed up , and preferably white. ”

    • Louis McLennan says:

      08:12am | 25/01/10

      “As an Australian citizen, I affirm my loyalty to Australia and its people, whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and whose laws I uphold and obey.”

      I don’t know if all Australians could say that, because a hell of a lot of them elect governments and support governments who do not respect our rights and liberties.

    • unaustralian says:

      08:36am | 25/01/10

      yep - or our laws even. iraq and afghanistan were illegal invasions. this is just more ridiculous flag waving. stupid stupid stupid.

      ill argue for a fair go for everyone, im law abiding, im not a communist, or a socialist, but i think our democracy leaves a lot to be desired. if rejecting this idea, deams be to be unaustralian in the eyes of some, well then, im proud to be unaustralian. its the moral thing to do.

      (spare me the lame - well if you dont like it , LEAVE comments..)

    • Chris Curnuck says:

      08:30am | 25/01/10

      TChong, your rantings speak volumes of your own racism more than they do of anyone else’s

    • Jane says:

      08:32am | 25/01/10

      T.Chong, you really have moved to a different level of disgusting diatribe and garbage. Time to tone it down. Your obviously becoming more spooked by Abbott everday. Thats fine but leave the race issue out of your rediculas and nasty comments. Abbott maybe a lot of things but this sort of stuff from you belongs in the gutter.

    • Joe says:

      08:32am | 25/01/10

      Well said Wayne.

      I have often wondered what the diggers were fighting for when we went to war. Somehow I doubt they were fighting to turn Australia into a multiracial cesspit. I certainly wouldn’t go to war for this country. It’s not worth defending and I certainly wouldn’t die for it. Invaders don’t need guns, they just need a leaky boat or a student visa.

    • Betelnut says:

      10:47am | 25/01/10

      If you don’t like it, leave!.

      Some of us love this multiracial cesspit.

    • John A Neve says:

      10:53am | 25/01/10

      Betelnut @1147hrs,
      You really are pathetic.  Do you support or oppose the views in this article?
      Don’t know !! Oh that’s right you don’t understand it.

    • James says:

      12:49pm | 25/01/10

      Simple solution mate - you don’t like it, leave.  Plenty of us love our country enough to fight for it, and no doubt there is a long line of people waiting to replace people like you.

    • Peter Grogan says:

      08:49am | 25/01/10

      The only one playing the race card here is you and T.Chong. Abbott has involved himself in the Aboriginal community sincerely for years. If he has such a racist or pandering to the xenophobic middle belly of Australia (your words) to stir up fear, why has he always been so involved in the Aborigianl community. Also please “quote” from Tony Abbott what it is he has said that makes him xenophobic or racist.

    • Bald Eagle says:

      09:21am | 25/01/10

      The problem Peter is that Tony Abbott now speaks for the right wing nut jobs in the Liberal party. All you have to do is see how he changed his position on climate change to get the job. Tony may personally feel differently, but he is the mouthpiece for the right wing conservatives and that is now the policy of the liberals. Yes, he is playing the race card and inciting hate. It’s what these dinosaurs do.

    • Nalia says:

      09:42am | 25/01/10

      Bald Eagle - Thank God for Tony saving Australia from Rudds ETS, most Australians support him on this. Rudds rhetoric on climate change has taken a nose dive too if you notice, Rudds spin on both climate change and his ETS are looking less credible by the day.

    • Bald Eagle says:

      09:54am | 25/01/10

      Nalia, thanks for taking the time to speak to all Australians and to inform me that out of the 22 million you have personally spoken to,  MOST have decided they don’t like Rudds ETS. I’ll have to factor that into any further points I have to make in the future.  Oh, and by the way, you missed the point. Abbott speaks for the right wing nut jobs who have taken control of liberal party.  Abbott no longer speaks for himself.

    • Kelvin says:

      10:05am | 25/01/10

      hey Bald Eagle, there have been polls sugesting Australians strongly don’t support Rudds ETS.

    • Faten says:

      05:54pm | 26/01/10

      Nalia, 100% correct! Thank god for Tony Abbott, i’m 100% for him switching views, atleast he senses what the voting people want! I also have absalutley no objection to anything that he has said thus far, I am may not be Catholic but I agree with him putting out their what he believes instead of being afraid of expressing his thoughts, more Tony Abbotts in politics and I would be happier.

    • Anna says:

      09:01am | 25/01/10

      Patrick - “the opposition has little to talk about.” I think you might be looking through rose coloured glasses, Abbott hasn’t even started on you Labor friends. He’s been Leader less than 2 months. Good luck in your plight.

    • Paul says:

      09:01am | 25/01/10

      My grandfather fought on the Kokoda trail and was tortured all his life by the mates he lost up there. But Liberals are lying when you say you respect our rights, liberties and democracy, as your scared and weak surrender of our way of life in response to the War on Terror showed. Lest you (already) forgot -the historical battle to gain our rights and democracy. Many in the Liberals (and Labor) need to take a pledge of allegance - as it’s been hard to see what country you blokes were batting for! And TChong is right to the extent that Abbott like Rudd like Howard, will turn a blind eye to (richer and whiter) ‘illegals’ and refugees coming in on planes. Historical fact. And swinging voters like me will continue to frustrate the majors whose first allegance isn’t to OZ.

    • Bruce says:

      09:42am | 25/01/10

      If you want to divide a nation. This is the way to go.

    • Steve Smith says:

      09:55am | 25/01/10

      Some interesting stories about Diggers. I wonder whether it’s the state of Australia today or just the horrors of war, which would make them not fight if they had the choice again.

      I really don’t know what we can genuinely complain about today in Australia, we really don’t have it tough in this country.

    • H of SA says:

      10:16am | 25/01/10

      Very true words re not having it tough here Mr. Smith. However that should not ever be allowed to become lazy contentment (not suggesting that’s what your saying btw).

      As good as Australia is it can always improve. If we stop and say we are happy and don’t want to become a better nation - we may have reached the summit but its a smaller mountain that what I would like us to strive for.

    • john says:

      11:56am | 25/01/10

      Middle class anglo-saxon Australians may not have it tough, but some of our Indigenous people still live in third world conditions.  Sometimes it’s easier not to look outside of your bubble hey?

    • Steve Smith says:

      02:40pm | 25/01/10

      Thank you john, how shallow of me. Just for some clarification, when I said: “I really don’t know what WE can genuinely complain about today in Australia”.. I basically narrowed it down to bloggers on the Punch, as opposed to the extremely wide community that is Australia’s 21 million odd residents.

    • Jack says:

      09:55am | 25/01/10

      How quickly we can get off topic lol. I think we should remove the British flag in the corner and just have the southern cross, with maybe bigger stars and deffinately not green and gold. Blue with white southern cross is fine.

    • stephen says:

      04:01pm | 25/01/10

      Nup. Orange and white.

    • Leigh says:

      02:29pm | 26/01/10

      The “British flag” is part of out history, Jack. We don’t have to deny our history just because a lot of foreigners want to come here to live. Immingrants themselves seem to be happy with the way Australia is now, or they wouldn’t come here.

    • H of SA says:

      10:13am | 25/01/10

      Hi Scott,

      First of all just want’ to reaffirm I did it that you’re a puncher. Stylisticly your a very good writer and I sincerly congratulate you for writing an article which is devoid of ad hominem attacks on other pollies. Thar is a rarety in articles by politicians on the punch (MP’s from both sides have written some disgustingly childish pieces on here previously).

      So first of, to you Scott - thankyou and congratulations - if other readers agree perhaps it would be good to also voice your approval of this (whether you agree with the thrust or not, if you approve an MP not writing ad hominems it might be worth stating). It might send a message to future MP’s posting on the site to cut out the schoolyard stuff - this would raise the level of the debate.

      Second, to the points in your article. One of the things I see as a duty of a citizen - is to be courageous enough to be vocally critical of his nation when required. Its a failure of enough citizens performing this duty that led to Germany becoming what it did in 30’s and 40’s. Perhaps, especially so for our wiser older Australians, the pledge should contain a more transparent acknowledgement that Australians should fearlessly be happy to be critical of their country - precisely because they care about it. I know its implied in affriming democracy but it might be worthwhile making it even more explicit.

      This constructive criticism may at first seem like it would lead to less unity - but an alternative reading would be to consider that, by robustly debating Australian values we create a mechanism by which we can better understand what unifies us - thus leadig to greater unity.

      Also, although I agree that an immigrant entering Australia should respect the rule of law or face the consequences - I personally don’t want them to feel the need to “assimilate” culturally to an excessive level. There are some minimums I think most of us would want - e.g. non violence, no child abuse ect. But if they come with some very different ideas and values - some of these could be exceptionally helpful and really value add to our culture.

      For example many non-western nations have a more community minded outlook. While Australians are not anti-community - we also have the western traditional “individualistic outlook” - where we tend to think of ourselves and our families more than we do about our street and our suburb. Of course respecting the individual has benefits - but also some costs in occassionally excessive selfishness. Having more community minded immigrants joing us and bring those values with them, might be a very useful countrerbalance to excessive individualism - helping Australia become a place where a helpful balance between respect for the individual and respect for the community exists.

      There’s my overly wordy argument for why we don’t want to smack the home country values completely out of our recently migrated Aussies.

    • H of SA says:

      10:31am | 25/01/10

      sorry should read “I dig it that your a puncher”

    • Paul says:

      10:47am | 25/01/10

      @H of SA good points but the Liberal brand, for many of us, is tainted from a Howard government so insecure and paranoid, it had to recycle Sedition legislation for another fearful regime -17th century olde England. Respectful of, and progressively free speech? Maybe for dinosaurs. How do you lose image of the devolution of Australia with Abbott who carries that dubious Howard funk on him? I’m open to hearing from Scott how the ‘new’ Liberal party is going to change its image and even oppose some of the lazy cut and paste anti-civil rights agenda of several Labor states, instead of the Liberals (mostly) do nothing approach. Democracy should give us some political choices.

    • Eric says:

      10:59am | 25/01/10

      Paul@11.47:

      Howard haters tend to be very ignorant. The sedition legislation has been part of Australia’s crimes Act since 1929. All the last government did was change a few words. And in since then, nobody has EVER beeen charged under that law.

      Please try to get your facts straight.

    • SteveB says:

      04:46pm | 25/01/10

      Paul, take it from a Western Australian, it’s not just Labor state governments that are taking lessons in totalitarianism.

    • Wayne Hutchins says:

      10:53am | 25/01/10

      Very selective when it comes to reading polls aren’t you Bald Eagle. Yes there is a poll that says that the majority of Australians don’t support Krudds ETS.
      And Jack @ 10.55 am. How quickly you got off topic. Bet you don’t even know what the union jack on our flag stands for? Have a guess? It signifies where we come from and the Southern Cross signifies where we are going and where we live. We are the largest continent on earth that lives under the one flag. You do realize a few hundred years ago we started off as a penal colony with convicts from England, Ireland and Scotland don’t you. Why do we need to hush that up? Are you ashamed?
      Did you also know that the design of the Australian flag comes from the Australian people, not some bloody politician. Why change our history? Its my flag and many of my country men have fought and died under it. Most Australians do agree and yes I saw that in a pole.

    • AT says:

      01:14pm | 25/01/10

      Ja voll, mein David V. But I’m irritated by the knowledge that heaps of the stuff what western culture done was based on maths and stuff what was invented by non-westerners — Arabs at that! Geez, eh? And those Chinamen, they was doing stuff ages and ages ago what was ripped off by and made possible ours western culture and that. And before any of that there was them Africans, (Africans for gawds sake!!!) what invented the one single civilisation-defining invention that changed everything — the wheel.

      Maybe what you meant to say was; “Western culture and technology ... continues to stand [ON] all else”?

    • faten says:

      06:19pm | 26/01/10

      Wayne, your very selective about which nationalites where on the first fleet, just to give you a history lesson the following nationalties were on the ship: amongst the Scots, Irish & English were, North American, Black Africans, Americans, West Indians, Jewish, French, Swedish, Dutch, Portuguese, German, Norwegian, Gypsies. With the gold rush Chinese immigrants settled here also and i’m sure so did Afghani’s. As you can see Australia was a diverse culture way before many of you posting even thought of!

    • H of SA says:

      11:00am | 25/01/10

      I tend to agree with you Paul. I think I could very easily vote for a Liberal party that was run by the moderates libertarians but like you I share a real concern that the Liberal party is very similar to the one voted out in 07.

      Abbott certainly carries that baggage and the choice of frontbench which is very similar to Howards seems to be a deliberate statement that its a very similar party to Howards.

      Personally I suspect that this is not some accident, Abbott is a very clever man and he knows its hard to vote out a first term government in Australia. This party lineup is all about appeasing the base and holding onto the seats they already have.

      After this years elections politics will be game on again with a more genuine possiblity of a change of government. It will be very interesting to see what the Liberal party looks like a few months after the 2010 election. Will it still be as deliberatly conservative and appealing to the base? Or will have moved back toward the centre in a deliberate attempt to win election? I hope so - if only because it offers us a viable alternative government.

      I think the likes of Mr. Morrison will be the main players in deciding the way the party goes after this years election. So I like hearing what he has to say

    • Adam says:

      11:45am | 25/01/10

      Some would appear to be short even that one track Mr Neve. They cannot stop fighting old battles, ones already won and lost. We’ve got the history of both Keating and Howard to mull over and no amout of wishing will bring either back. Rudd has a short amount of his “story” still to write and we’ve no idea what the political future holds

    • John A Neve says:

      11:06am | 25/01/10

      I like it, we started out talking about “our own pledge of allegiance”. Now we are into Rudd, Abbott, the ETS, Liberal and Labor party.

      Have you all got one track minds?

    • 6clegs says:

      11:59am | 25/01/10

      looks like it, donit. *sigh*

      Would this Pledge of Allegiance then morph to the schools with the kiddies saying it every morning?

    • Jenny says:

      11:45am | 25/01/10

      The Liberals would still be in Government if Howard had handed over to Costello before the election. Rudd is even worse than Howard.

    • AT says:

      11:55am | 25/01/10

      A sweet if superficial idea there Scott. Strong on symbolism, devoid of detail. As affirming and sincere an exercise as standing for the anthem at sporting events. As contrived and specious as the Parl house doorstops you and your colleagues indulge in every sitting day.

      That aside, what you and your current leader have left unsaid has not gone unheard. Your dog whistle, rusty as it is, still shrieks loud.

      You say “there is still a long way to go before all sub-groups within our broader Australian community are flowing effortlessly in the mainstream of Australian society.” And, “We are not a combination of unrelated sub-communities who all happen to live on the same big island.”

      “Sub-groups”? “Sub-communities”? ‘Mainstream Australian society’? Care to elucidate? Or should I ask, complete with rising inflection, for you to ‘Please Explain’?

      Might you grace us with an idea of who these ‘sub-groups and sub-communities’ are? Are they the WA miners? The Alice Springs art gallery proprietors? The Great Barrier Reef diving tour operators? The lurid Lycra cyclists? The dicks who accost you at railway stations during election campaigns shoving political pamphlets at you? The workers who maintain the Italian tiles on the Danish designed Sydney Opera House or the riggers who paint the English steel of the Sydney Harbour Bridge?

      Is that who mean? Are those mobs and a trillion others these sub-groups and sub-communities which you say need to ‘flow into mainstream Australia’? No? So who exactly are these “subs”? And, for that matter, what precisely is ‘mainstream Australia’?

      Seeing as you only mention one of these sub-groups/communities; Muslims, I guess we can take it that is who you mean. That and all the other ‘subs’ the targets of your dog whistle have faithfully identified here in their little playground; T.Chong, Rudd, ALP, the “multiracial cesspit”, boat people, international students, ‘Rudd’s ETS’...

      Pending your unequivocal denunciation of those notions we can assume that you agree, yes? Unfortunately it makes a mockery of your “Our shared values, culture and laws define what it is to be Australian, and that is what brings us together” declaration. If you meant that you would embrace and celebrate cultural diversity. You would actively seek to appreciate these ‘sub-cultures’ and enthusiastically adopt some their unique values enhancing our shared culture.

      You wouldn’t just laud Dr Rifi for “bringing together his community” into your undefined “mainstream”, you would ‘bring together your community’ into accepting and respecting his community. By, for instance, facilitating his community’s move into the mainstream of Camden.

      I’d advise anyone considering taking your pledge of allegiance to very carefully read the fine print. And I reckon you should have the courage of your convictions, Scott, and actually publish that fine print.

    • David V. says:

      12:27pm | 25/01/10

      “The workers who maintain the Italian tiles on the Danish designed Sydney Opera House or the riggers who paint the English steel of the Sydney Harbour Bridge?”

      You’ve answered your own question there- it shows that despite leftist notions of equality and of demonising the West, it’s Western culture and technology that continues to stand above all else.

    • H of SA says:

      12:43pm | 25/01/10

      All hail the master race hey David?

    • David V. says:

      01:00pm | 25/01/10

      Please tell me, where have all the great industry come from? Germany and Japan have produced the best technology of our time, not bad considering Dresden and Hiroshima were barbarically bombed by the Allies in WWII. The consensus on things since the end of WWII that brought about this PC line of thought is coming to an end, not least because of Israel’s own crimes in Gaza.

    • AT says:

      02:10pm | 25/01/10

      David V., what has Israel’s activities in Gaza got to do with anything? Don’t bother answering, everyone knows what you’re on about. But mate, really, you don’t do your perverted little cause any favours when you proclaim the virtues of WESTERN culture and technology in one thread and then hail the non-western Japan in the next. Also it’s off-topic — there’s plenty of hoardings around town where you can post your comments that are even less discriminating than The Punch.

    • Marion Simpson says:

      12:43pm | 25/01/10

      Having just finished the family tree, and finding to my delight a few convicts and the rest free settlers, do I agree with immigration? The answer is Yes, we have a richness of culture now that my ancestors in Australia never knew.  My only concern is have we enough water? have we enough food? have we enough jobs? So we , us Aussies are never without. To me Australia Day is not about “The First Fleet “and the arrival here, its about us as a Nation celebrating together the joy of being Australian. Keep it in mind, unless your family are Aboriginal, we all came from somewhere else.

    • Wayne Hutchins says:

      01:25pm | 25/01/10

      Sorry Marion, thats just a silly thing to say,
      “Keep it in mind, unless your family are Aboriginal, we all came from somewhere else”.
      I came from here. I was born in Australia, so was my father, my fathers father and his father before him. If you want to keep going back in time the first Australians weren’t from here either. They migrated over a land bridge or so I was educated.
      Why is it that to be a true Australian you need to be black? Is a black American not a true American?

    • john says:

      01:28pm | 25/01/10

      Wayne, 4 or 5 generations cannot compare to 40,000 to 50,000 years…

    • Betelnut says:

      12:50pm | 25/01/10

      @John A Neve 11.50am

      Settle down John, was merely parroting back the archtypical catchcry thrown in the face of anyone who dares criticise ‘strya from the more progressive sides of politics.  Was meant to be tongue in cheek…

      As to the article, I usually dislike Scotts articles as they are often partisan and poorly argured (although Scott himself seems like a decent bloke).  In this case, whilst i like the truly admiral sentiments that Scott puts forward, I feel the recent history of his political party showed a distinct lack of inclusivness and instead a willingness to retreat to the dog-whistle to prop up votes.

      Leaving the hypocrisy aside, I think people and politicians get too focussed on the wrapper.  Putting up flags in schools, singing the anthem, citizenship ceremonies, citizenship tests about Don Bradman and “mateship”....none of these things does anything tangible to ease and integrate newly arrived arrive Australians in to the fold.  They are tokenistic ideas thrown about by politicians to demonstrate their “love” of this country (think flag-pin).

      What does work? 

      Shared schooling, responsible parenting, sport, racial/ethinic intermarriage, mature political leadership and time.

      What doesn’t?

      Cheap politicking and sensationalist media.

      Guess what we have in Australia…

    • John A Neve says:

      01:08pm | 25/01/10

      Betelnut @ 1350hrs,
      For the most part, I agree, why did you not say this the first time. Most bloggers take you at face value, as I did.

      This is getting off topic, but, sadly this comes down, in my view, to parenting of lack there of. As such the downward slide will continue.

    • Betelnut says:

      02:07pm | 25/01/10

      HI John A Neve @ 2.08pm,

      Not sure about the downward slide at all and I dont think we should buy into the negativity.  Despite all the histonics and navel gazing on the Punch in the lead up to Australia day, we are neither:

      (A) a nation of bogan, redneck, kiss the flag, colonialist racists living in the outer suburbs, surviving on meat and 3 veg and bashing any man of colour.

      (B) a cesspit of warring ethnic ghettos, clambering over each other in a Hobbesian pursuit of our finite resources.

      (C) better off in the 50s.

      All this arguing, coverage and media baiting is just to sell papers (or hits).  We are a diverse and complex people. Get on a train, go check out a local school, see who your children bring home as friends.  Problems of the first generation are forgotton by the 3rd. 

      Q: What do you call the children of a half-Japanese, half Australian man and his half mexican half israeli girlfriend? (real life!!)

      A: Mate!

      Our best days are not behind or ahead of us, they are now. Most Australians of all extractions know this, they don’t dwell too hard on the battles that consume the (political) blogging world and are getting out there and enjoying life as best they can.

    • James says:

      12:50pm | 25/01/10

      Great article - good to hear a conservative voice of reason in the midst of all this denial and buck-passing.

    • It is time says:

      01:16pm | 25/01/10

      @Wayne. Many people find the colonial flag offensive. Namely the original inhabitants and the millions of Australians who do not have British ancestory.

      It is time the flag is changed in order to represent modern Australia. The removal of the butchers apron in the corner and the retention of the southern cross would be fine by me.

    • Lies damn lies and statistics says:

      02:02pm | 25/01/10

      Gee, thanks, It Is Time, for enlightening us with your grasp of statistics. I doubt very much that the “millions” of non-British-ancestry Australians actually are offended by the Union Jack on the Aussie flag, because, apart from anything else, it is a symbol of the lack of autocratic dictatorships from the countries that they left, and the presence of democracy here. Ditto the endemic corruption in many other developing countries. As for those citizens from developed countries with fewer opportunities than here, I bet you $50 they simply accepted the Australian flag as it was.

    • faten says:

      05:49pm | 26/01/10

      Wayne, did you hear a refugee say Australia should change the flag or the anthem, stop blaming people who don’t even bother with the debate! It was a white Australian who brought up the matter, but yet again its immigrants who are blamed!

    • Ian Preston says:

      01:34pm | 25/01/10

      Can anyone here quote what Tony Abbott has said regarding immigration that upsets you so much? I’m not talking about Howard, everyone seems to just overview Howard. “Abbott” is now the Leader so please enlighten me on what “Abbott” has said regarding immigration that is racist or xenophobic or whatever everyone keeps labeling him. All I read are peoples personal views of him but don’t actually quote “Abbott” anywhere. And again please leave Howard out of the equation.

    • swanny says:

      01:36pm | 25/01/10

      Don’t forget that the Diggers also went to war to stop what was threatening the whole world, whether the racist, ubernationalist policies of Nazi Germany and fascist Italy or the racist ubernationalist policies of Imperial Japan. Thankfully, they succeeded, and Germany, Italy and Japan can all be considered allies nowadays. It is sad that some Diggers appear to have forgotten the threat that sent them away from their homes, because the society that has evolved has by and large sidelined them and their way of thinking. Given some of the changes in Australian society (lack of respect, pursuit of individual “rights” over corporate needs etc), I think they might be right…

    • David V. says:

      01:44pm | 25/01/10

      And yet it has allowed Israel to get away committing its own crimes against humanity, while the media lectures the rest of the world about “tolerance” and “equality”.

      Despite the demonisation of Anglo-Saxon Australia by leftist circles, this population has provided many fine scientists, artists, doctors, sportsmen, and other successful professionals. Not bad for an allegedly poorly educated and ignorant population, eh?

      And wherever you fly to wherever you want to go, let’s not forget that most Middle Eastern and Asian airlines happen to employ predominantly British pilots. Guess that tells you they’re not doing such a bad job does it?

    • John A Neve says:

      01:37pm | 25/01/10

      It is time says @ 1416hrs.
      I have never had any one say to my face that they found our “flag offensive”.
      Listening to talk back radio this morning, the majority of callers supported retention of the flag as is.
      Please tell where do your “millions” come from?

    • It is time says:

      01:58pm | 25/01/10

      @ John A Neve. I suggest you read some of the other blogs on the subject of the flag. Many find the Union Jack in the corner offensive. The original inhabitants and those of non-British ancestory add up to millions of Australians. The flag should represent modern Australia not a colonial relic.

    • John A Neve says:

      02:18pm | 25/01/10

      It is time Says @ 1458hrs.
      In this matter as in many others, you can find just as many in favour as opposed. Climate change is the great example, for every expert saying YES, you can find one who says NO.
      I can only repeat I have never heard any one say they found our “flag offensive”.
      If we are to have a flag that represents “modern Australia”, we would have to change the flag every 10 or so years !!
      Still it would create jobs.

    • lies damn lies and statistics says:

      03:09pm | 25/01/10

      Sorry, but if your only stat is the blogsphere, you simply haven’t done any research of your position! At most blogs only cover a fraction of one percent of the population, typically the noisy grumbling section. Come back with something from Nielson, Access or Gallop or a qualified research group and you might get a fair hearing.

    • Zeta says:

      02:28pm | 25/01/10

      I’m an advocate for celebrating Australia Day Eve, a day of obligatory whinging and carping about the meaning of Australia Day and a debate on the various justifications for national pride, a time to reflect on the merits of our Flag, and a bemoaning of the injustices perpetuated on Indigenous Australians. Because lets face it, we’ll all be too pissed tomorrow to do it.

      I for one don’t celebrate Australia Day. I spend the 26th watching European films and drinking Pernod in protest. That doesn’t mean I don’t love this country, her flag, and her innate ability to take our ordained day of national pride and make it an intellectual pissing contest (@ Punch ed: can I say piss twice? or three times?) but I think the whole thing is a monumental waste of time. We’re not celebrating our independence, we’re celebrating the day some Englishmen planted a flag and started construction of a prison colony. It’s not even the day we were discovered. William Jansz did that a century earlier. He also described Aboriginies as ‘black, barbarian savages’ who took him up on his offer of tobacco, but threw away his flour and soap. As a result, we don’t have a Jansz Day, but we do have an excellent Tasmanian champagne named for him. What does that have to do with Australia Day? Nothing. What does Australia Day have to do with contemporary Australian culture? The same.

      We should consign Australia Day to history’s dust bin, the same as we did to the day Jansz spotted us through his big Dutch telescope. We should devote our national attention to ANZAC Day, which truly reflects the Australian character. It celebrates mateship, overcoming adversity, and our ability as a nation to gloss over terrible, soul crushing defeats and spin them into victories.

      As for Morrison’s pledge of allegiance; I don’t like it. To me, the whole point of Australia is to be free of Euro centric notions of national allegiance that are so damaging to the world’s communal psyche. It’s souless, and reads like something a bureaucrat would have written.

    • Coops says:

      02:30pm | 25/01/10

      The Australian flag should not have the union jack, the southern cross is more apt for the Australia of today.
      Couldn’t help this, Rudd on Twitter….........
      Big implications for how we pay for extra hospital costs with less people in the workforce. Reform needed for the future. KRudd
      Also spoke on the impact on Oz from the ageing of the population: by 2050, 1 in 4 people will be over 65 compared with 1 in 7 today. KRudd
      Profound stuff who ever would have thought, Kev another terrific speach I’m sure, how about explaining what you intend to do to deal with these issues. More sweeping comments from a PM that has no idea.

    • James says:

      03:00pm | 25/01/10

      @Joe says:02:49pm | 25/01/10
      You know Joe last time i looked applying the term “cesspit” or “invaders” to people did not really have a very benign conotation. Maybe you don’t personally turn your racist rhetoric into action, but those who do certaintly sing from the same song sheet as yourself. Like I said I’m all for debate, but the rather extreme viewpoint that you obviously subscribe to is not worth one second of anyone’s time. I never stated in my comment weather I was for or against Scott proposal, just that your comment is offensive and outside of acceptable political discourse. And why would you compare me to Soviet gulags? Are you implying that you have to be left wing to be offended by your racist nonsense? I think that a lot of people on the political right would take issue with that idea. Like I said, I never stated my own political standpoint, just that your’s is stupid, outdated and fundamentally un-Australian

    • Joe says:

      05:47pm | 25/01/10

      Seeking to have the view points of others excluded, no matter how extreme you think they are is hardly benign either. I personally doubt the bulk of the attacks on Indians are racist. The areas they live and work in areas that are hardly safe for anyone. Even so, shouldn’t the concerns of these ‘racists’ be acknowledged and properly addressed in our democracy? Or don’t our views count? Inclusion for everyone but those people of European decent who don’t like the idea of becoming a minority in our own country? I’m sure the Aboriginies could tell you a bit about what becoming a minority is like.

      Don’t pretend you’re all for debate. If you were then you’d have no problem or trouble countering an ‘extreme viewpoint’, no matter the worth you ascribe to it. Who is to say what is acceptable political discourse? Certainly not you. Surely to place limits on what is acceptable political discourse is an abridgement of our political freedom, the corner stone of our democracy? If this is what you believe, then this is why I would compare you to those who built the soviet gulags.

      I was not implying that you have to be left wing to take umbrage at racism. Why would you think I was? I was assuming that you are a left winger. Am I wrong in that assumption?

      I think your position is stupid, doomed to fail and fundamentally un Australian. Again, thats not a very sophisticated response, and is the blog equivalent of calling each other dumb poopy heads.

    • Scott Morrison MP says:

      03:23pm | 25/01/10

      Thanks for all the feedback on the article. 

      We don’t do ourselves any favours if we fail to acknowledge there are anxieties in our community about how we’re all getting on together on our big island. To acknowledge these anxieties is not to subscribe to them. But acknowedge them to address them we must.

      If political opponents want to lazily cast the racist tag around as a substitute for an argument in what should be a legitimate discussion about achieving greater integration - that’s your business. All you do is drive the wedges in deeper on both sides - that’s what I’d like to avoid.  The rest of us will have a sensible discussion.

      This is not a debate about race. It’s a debate about building an inclusive Australia. But that inclusion will always centre around Australian values and culture as the key connecting points. There will be other points that do not connect. That’s fine , so long as they don’t serve to isolate and segregate.

      As one contributor argued (to paraphrase) it has to get beyond the symbols (and I agree) and infiltrate how we do life on a daily basis. Nevertheless, symbols are important. If that were not true then the apology to indigenous Australians would have been a waste of time - I think it was a positive step. Symbols can help us reflect on the bigger changes we need to make ourselves. They are not an end but a means.

      Any way, back to you.

    • AT says:

      06:31pm | 25/01/10

      “...that inclusion will always centre around Australian values and culture as the key connecting points. There will be other points that do not connect…”

      And what might these key points, values and culture be? I’m sorry mate, but when you talk about integration it’s not unreasonable to expect an explanation of who and what is being integrated into what.

      If you have as much trouble as your boss did this morning on radio answering similar questions, you’re can’t speak with legitimacy on the matter. Just as you can’t address what you call “anxieties” without acknowledging them, you can’t credibly propose “integration” without identifying who’s being integrated into what and what you will require them to leave behind.

      Failure to utter the name of these most fundamental and obvious components of your vision is either an expression of the shortcomings of a simpleton or the tactics of a master dog-whistler. Feel free to set me straight by identifying just one or two of these values and cultural aspects that comprise “key connecting points” any time.

      Back to you, I guess.

    • frankly says:

      12:37am | 26/01/10

      if this is the best our alternative “leadership” can come up with, poor bugger us…

    • Rich says:

      04:57pm | 25/01/10

      Patriotism is a label that can hide all manor of sins. Ones values and patriotism is not terminally linked.

    • David V. says:

      05:04pm | 25/01/10

      You need to view the European perspective, as someone who is well in touch with politics in Europe, that public opinion is shifting away from favouring multiculturalism and large-scale immigration. The socialist and liberal parties in Europe are on the nose, especially in France, Switzerland, Netherlands and Belgium, because of this very issue. The Netherlands in particular where people like Geert Wilders and Ayan Hirsi Ali who raise very good points about the incompatibility of particular cultures with democratic Western values.

    • Dan says:

      10:06pm | 25/01/10

      David, Geert Wilders and Ayan Hirsi Ali are both incredibly racist. When it comes to so-called democratic Western values, they are the last two people I would seek advice on this. They don’t know the first thing about democratic Western values at all. If any anyone are incompatible with democratic Western values they are.

    • Louise says:

      09:17pm | 25/01/10

      AT, I don’t know where you live, but I very much doubt it is South Western Sydney.

      Somethings can be difficult to articulate, summed up nicely in the movie the castle “it’s the vibe of the thing”.

      “The following are extracts from Sheik Taj Din Al Hilaly’s controversial sermon given in September 2006, as independently translated by an SBS Arabic expert.
      “Those atheists, people of the book (Christians and Jews), where will they end up? In Surfers Paradise? On the Gold Coast? Where will they end up? In hell and not part-time, for eternity. They are the worst in God’s creation.”

      “When it comes to adultery, it’s 90 percent the woman’s responsibility. Why? Because a woman owns the weapon of seduction. It’s she who takes off her clothes, shortens them, flirts, puts on make-up and powder and takes to the streets, God protect us, dallying. It’s she who shortens, raises and lowers. Then, it’s a look, a smile, a conversation, a greeting, a talk, a date, a meeting, a crime, then Long Bay jail. Then you get a judge, who has no mercy, and he gives you 65 years.” (he’s referring to the despicable gang rapist Bilal Skaf whose sentence was reduced on appeal).

      “But when it comes to this disaster, who started it? In his literature, writer al-Rafee says, if I came across a rape crime, I would discipline the man and order that the woman be jailed for life. Why would you do this, Rafee? He said because if she had not left the meat uncovered, the cat wouldn’t have snatched it.”

      “If you get a kilo of meat, and you don’t put it in the fridge or in the pot or in the kitchen but you leave it on a plate in the backyard, and then you have a fight with the neighbour because his cats eat the meat, you’re crazy. Isn’t this true?”

      “If you take uncovered meat and put it on the street, on the pavement, in a garden, in a park, or in the backyard, without a cover and the cats eat it, then whose fault will it be, the cats, or the uncovered meat’s? The uncovered meat is the disaster. If the meat was covered the cats wouldn’t roam around it. If the meat is inside the fridge, they won’t get it.”

      It may or may not be a reflection of the views of the broader Islamic community, but it is not the kind of attitude that fits with
      “Australian values and culture as the key connecting points”.

      I don’t think Australian men are marauding cats incapable of controlling their sexual desires, nor do I want to stop
      going to the beach with my mother, sisters, daughters and nieces because that is considered an open invitation to be raped.

      Perhaps you could articulate what is racist or “dog whistling” about rejecting an “Australian Community Leader” who doesn’t speak english preaching this to young men in Australia.

    • James says:

      10:53am | 27/01/10

      You need to meet more Australian men then.  I know plenty who have a similar (or worse) attitude towards women, and they come in all colours and cultures.

    • David V. says:

      11:59pm | 25/01/10

      Dan says:

      11:06pm | 25/01/10

      Oh Dan, you’re forgetting that Hirsi Ali is actually Somali? That Wilders, like the late Pim Fortuyn (who was openly gay), attracted support from the non-White, Surinamese/Antillean population too?

      Hey, many of our families are refugees from Communist persecution. That’s why we cherish our freedoms and see the danger these anti-Australian attacks from the Left pose to all of us.

    • Dan says:

      07:28pm | 26/01/10

      :That’s why we cherish our freedoms and see the danger these anti-Australian attacks from the Left pose to all of us.” LOL. If anything is a danger, it’s the Right defending racists. Hirst Ali is a disgusting racist, regardless of her nationality. Oh, and as for the word anti-Australian; there’s nothing anti-Australian about attacking racism, unless you think that racism is Australian. Fool.

    • Paul says:

      08:12am | 26/01/10

      @scott It is refreshing to read an articulate Liberal politician and that you are thinking of higher ideas than many of your other members of parliament. However, the reality of the political game is most politicans will choose power and political points/victory over political ‘correctness’.  Many of us still associate the Liberals with wedge politics and other fear based tools and manipulation, of which beating up on the browns in boats (but not in planes), the poor and sometimes even single parents was ‘fair game’. Why should we believe that reasonable sounding*moderates like you will carry a decent and progressive political vision (especially when your policy is light on the ground and donaters still yank your chain) and that your broader party will change from a regressive past?

    • Paul says:

      08:43am | 26/01/10

      @eric Facts: Howard raised the spectre of threat of an obscure piece of legislation called Sedition. For Howard to go back and fiddle and change an ancient and forgotten piece of legislation meant he was either going to use it or at least threaten people with it. Howard couldn’t handle dissent - that is clear. The Sedition legislation was pretty much cut and pasted from a dark and repressive era of England. Eric, I don’t ‘hate’ Howard, I think he was unAustralian and completely disrespectul of our hard won democracy and way of life.(As I have suggested about others above - do I sound like I hate them too?) And despite your attempts at your own special brand of ‘Eric political correctness’ - the Liberals have been guilty of small-thinking and political ‘boganism’ and continuing this trend undermines Australian democracy. (So I will pray Scottie can talk sense to some of these narcissistic hard-heads!) Howard-kissers like you Eric need to get their facts straight mate!

    • Eric says:

      10:38am | 26/01/10

      Nice little hate-rant there, Paul, but your major point falls flat on its face.

      The minor changes to the 70 year old sedition law had precisely no effect on anyone. Howard received more vicious dissent than any PM before him, and never once tried to shut it down.

      Rudd, though, wants to censor the Internet. That is far more sinister.

    • James says:

      11:21am | 26/01/10

      @Joe says:06:47pm | 25/01/10
      Sorry Joe, I live in Scott’s electorate, I’ve seen where the kind of language you use to describe people of other races can lead, i.e Cronulla riots. Wheather it is from far-right nutters or from Imams preaching violence in Mosques, malvolent, raciest language has no place in the public domain. As to my suggestion that your views are stupid, outdated and un-Australian please let me elaborate a little. Your views are stupid because you obviously lack the basic economic literacy to realise why we need immigration in Australia. For one thing immigration has been a crucial aspect in Australia’s extrodinary economic success over the years. Without the politically bi-partisan effort to boost Australia’s population after the second world war we would not live in nearly as prosperous society as we do today. And if we were to halt immigration today we would be faced with a chronic shortage of doctors, engineers, cooks ect ect. And you attack foreign students as “invaders”. Do you realise that education services are our third lagest export sector? That’s a pretty important economic interest of Australia that you are slagging off there. As for outdated, the white Australia policy ended a long time ago, get use to it. Things are never going to go back to as they were before the second world war and like many people I’m sick of the continual whinging of people like you. And finally, you say “I certainly wouldn’t go to war for this country. It’s not worth defending and I certainly wouldn’t die for it.” On the eve of Australia day could you have said anything more unAustralian? You may not love your country but most of us here do and would die defending it. If you can’t do the same you should serriously consider emigrating. And to make matters worse you sully the name of our war heros by trying to tie them to your own racism. That is deeply disrespectful to our diggers. Remember Joe, our boys died defending the world from Nazism, not upoholding it.

    • Joe says:

      06:27pm | 26/01/10

      Actually James, the Cronulla riots were a response to Muslim violence against whites. But it’s not the Muslims or the whites at fault; it’s the people who thought it would be a good idea to bring the races together in a multiracial love fest. The people were never asked in a vote if they’d like to be enriched. Of course not, thirty or fourty years ago they would have said no. Whites get nothing out of multiracialism except more crime, poverty and social problems.

      I’m surprised you’d try and pull the economic bullshit on me. I thought you were smarter than that. Immigration after the war was not necessary to give us our present day standard of living; it just helped with the national GDP. Per capita GDP would be on par with the rest of the west with or without that European immigration. We don’t need immigration to supply the country with skilled workers; we need more places in Australian universities for Australians. More of those places that foreign students take need to go to Australians. I don’t care about the economic benefits foreign student bring. I’m surprised you think I would.

      I’m well aware that the white Australia policy is gone, and I have no illusions about it coming back. That doesn’t mean I have to like this multiracial dystopia the governments building. I’m sick of the whining about racism and evil whitey from people like you. Unless you round us up and put us in camps, we aren’t going anywhere. Get used to it.

      I’m not one for half baked sentiment. Australia day means very little to me and frankly I find it rather kitsch. I will just clarify, I wouldn’t fight and die for a multiracial Australia, I would fight and die to bring the old one back. But that’s not going to happen, I know that. I have been considering emigrating. Unfortunately your lot has turned Europe and the US into multiracial dystopias too.

      Have you forgotten that the people who fought in the wars lived in a time when racism was the norm? The baby boomers were a result of fear of the yellow peril. Given the standards of the time, if you told the diggers that after the war they were about to fight was won that Australia would embrace multiracialism and white guilt I think they would tell you to shove it. I doubt they really knew what they were fighting for or against beyond what the propaganda masters told them. They were pawns for the elites, just like all those who have fought and died before.  Either way, there is a big difference between fighting against Nazism and fighting for multiracialism. Racialism isn’t exclusive to the Nazis.

    • David V. says:

      08:45pm | 26/01/10

      And at what cost?

      - The atrocities of the Red Army, including their terrible crimes against Eastern Europeans, causing many (like my own family) to flee their homelands?

      - The bombings of Dresden and Hiroshima, cities that were of no military importance, only to be the worst crimes committed by any force in WWII?

      - The existence of the State of Israel, who continues to perpetrate genocide against Palestinians?

    • James says:

      11:09am | 27/01/10

      You are entirely wrong about the university places Joe.  The simple fact is, it is the higher fee paying foreign students that effectively subsidise the Australian university places, making university affordable for all Australians.  Without the foreign students, we would have far fewer places for Australians at universities.

      As for your other comment, you say that you don’t have to like Australia like it is now.  Indeed, you do not.  You could always go somewhere else that you like better, rather than complaining that people look different to you and have funny accents.  Last time I looked, most European countries were outdoing Australia in terms of standard of living and other measures, so this European distopia that people throw around is a load of rubbish - outside of the nightmares of far-right political parties, there is simply no evidence for these assertions.  You have made it very clear that racialism is not limited to Nazis, a much watered down version is clearly discernible in your own posts.

      And David V, Hiroshima and Dresden are “the worst crimes” of World War Two.  Here I was thinking that the Germans and Japanese committed far worse crimes than this, but obviously the Holocaust, the Rape of Nanking, the Bataan and Sandakan death marches… Oh why bother.

    • Joe says:

      11:44am | 27/01/10

      I’m going to try and keep this brief as I’d like to wrap it up. More government funding will allow more uni places. Foreign students are not necessary. Last time I looked, Australia was second behind Norway on the human development index. I don’t complain that they look or sound different. My complaint is that they bring poverty, crime and social problems. And most don’t assimilate, not that I’d want them to.  One can see what they offer by looking at the countries they leave behind.

      In the UK I could be charged and persecuted by orwellian ‘human rights’ tribunals for the views I’ve stated here. In many European countries I could be imprisoned for questioning the holocaust fiction. This is why I call it a dystopia. More evidence can be found in the regular riots in Paris and the knife crime and sharia law in Britain. There’s plenty of evidence.

      We could be at this for the rest of our lives, or until I convert you ;-p. I’ve enjoyed debating with you. Thanks for being polite. I will continue to respond but I’d like to wrap it up. Cheers.

    • James2 says:

      12:28pm | 27/01/10

      Firstly, I should point out I am a different James from the original one that responded to your posts.  My apologies, I should have differentiated myself in some way.  However, you are right, Joe.  Be very careful with that “Holocaust fiction” stuff, it could get you into very big trouble, even here in Australia.

      On riots in Paris, they are a regular occurrence since the storming of the Bastille - the French (regardless of their ethnicity) love a good riot/protest.  I guess we just disagree - a few knifings does not a distopia make, in my opinion at least.  To say that Sharia law exists in Britain is a vast oversimplification.  It is only available for certain civil matters, like marriage and divorce, is entirely consensual and is not legally binding.  Again, the fact that Muslims can use Sharia law when divorcing does not a distopia make - it is not like the Briton population is being beheaded for apostasy or anything.  We already had poverty, crime and social problems in Australia, and there is no statistical correlation between non-white migration and level of poverty and crime rates.  My final point (and I will let this rest as well) is: where will the government money for extra university funding come from?  We in the university system have been lobbying for extra money for years to little or no avail, so our university system, already struggling, found another way to source the funds.  In my experience as both student and teacher, foreign students are mostly wonderful, motivated, and (most importantly) pay nearly four times what an Australian student does.

    • Joe says:

      01:35pm | 27/01/10

      @James2. I know that riots have been a part of French life before and since the storming of the Bastille. Every western country has had a riot at some time for some reason. The point is the reason for the riot. The ethnics that regularly riot and destroy property in Paris do so for trivial reasons. One riot was sparked by a criminal electrocuting himself while being chased by the police. White people stormed the Bastille because they were starving. Big difference.

      Its not so much the crime, poverty and social problems that I think warrants calling Britain a dystopia, it’s the methods used to hold it together. ‘Human rights’ tribunals, security cameras, abridgment of freedom of speech, public vilification of dissenters, etc. One bloke was arrested recently for an email he didn’t write that had the word ‘likely’ in it. The because it rhymes with ‘pikey’ the bureaucrat who read it thought it was racist and had him arrested. That story was published in the Dailymail, I’ll look it up if you really want me to. These things a dystopia make.

      Saying Sharia law is in Britain is not an oversimplification. It either is or it isn’t. And it is. How much or how binding does not matter. The presence of these foreign vaues, people and the draconian methods used to supress dissent from the indigenous population is what makes Britain and the rest of western Europe a dystopia.

      I’ll wager European countries and Australia don’t collect those kinds of statistics because that would be racist. The Americans do. Read ‘The Color of Crime’.

      The extra funding would come from the same place it did fourty years ago. Before we ‘needed’ foreign students. In my opinion the whole system is broken. We waste so much on welfare, foreign aid, etc. It just perpetuates the cycle of dependence. I’m sure the foreign students are wonderful - I haven’t met any as I study at a small country campus - and I’m all for foreign exchange, etc. That doesn’t mean we need them.

    • James2 says:

      02:31pm | 27/01/10

      I know I said I would bow out, but debating with you is actually quite interesting Joe, especially considering that you refrain from abusing your opponents and childish namecalling - its very refreshing.

      When I said there no correlation in the statistics, I meant that crime and poverty have not increased as the non-white portion of the population has.  Indeed, they have been remarkably static during the post-1970 migration boom, and you will find that most people on welfare and suffering poverty in Australia are either white or Aboriginal. 

      I also studied at a small country campus for my undergraduate degree - at the University of Southern Queensland - and that uni would not exist if not for the large numbers of foreign students bumping up revenues.  The kind of expenditure on tertiary education brought in by Whitlam (much as I would have loved free tertiary study) is not sustainable.  Keep in mind that before Whitlam’s reforms, people like you and I did not get to attend university (please excuse my assumption that like myself, you come from a working class background), and that the series of reforms of the tertiary system since has meant that people from less well-off backgrounds have continued to have access to such an education.  If it is currently supported by large numbers of full fee paying foreign students, excuse me if I refuse to look a gift horse in the mouth.  The simple fact is, the political and tertiary landscape has changed since 1970, and there are just not enough full fee paying Australian students or government cash to go around.  That means we do need them.

      In any case, I do not see people of different cultures and colours as any different from anyone else.  People commit crimes, not ethnicities.  The thugs who rioted as “a response to Muslim violence against whites” (I know plenty of white Muslims, by the way) was just as bad as the original violence.  I heartily condemn both, and the revenge attack at Maroubra that night.

      On distopias, I guess it is a matter of degree.  I have no intention of casting aspersions on the character of an entire race or ethnic group, and thus have nothing to fear from such things as you describe.  Nor do I intend to infringe anyone’s human rights.  Maybe when people are executed or face lengthy imprisonment for their views (as they do in many of the countries our ethnic minorities flee), I will agree.  Until such time, Britain seems pretty nice to me. 

      The situation in the US is a far cry from the situation here.  Most of our migrant intake are skilled professionals - only a small proportion end up on welfare for very long, and new migrants resort to crime at about the same level as white migrants do.  The most overrepresented ethnic group in crime statistics are our Aborigines.  The non-white criminal elements in the US are largely the descendants of former slaves who, until very recently, were not considered to be equal to the other inhabitants of that country.  No wonder they are still economically depressed.  This is not to lay blame on white Americans now, more on the people that were doing it at the time.  The other element is largely Hispanic, and that is a whole other story, relating to drug consumption, illegal migration (as opposed to asylum seeking, which is mostly what we deal with here), and the routes along which the drugs are smuggled.  This bears no comparison with the Australian situation, as there is no longstanding historical grievance that compares to slavery and segregation.  Likewise, there is no comparison in the crime statistics.

      Finally, to many people born in Britain, Sharia is not foreign.  Furthermore, it is not forced in mainstream British people.  Why should they have a problem if Muslims want to get a Muslim divorce?  Why would they want to deprive a person of that, when it has absolutely no impact on them?  In a culture as strong as the British culture, the mere presence of different cultures in no way diminishes British culture, unless that is the culturally British adopt new cultural ways.  I do not understand the connection between the presence of different cultures and distopia that you make, unless I have misread your argument.  Which is entirely likely, as I am in the process of finishing a PhD and my mind is all over the place at the moment.

    • Shelby Wright says:

      01:26pm | 26/01/10

      Folks,
      Would it be possible for someone to ask a moderator if they can copy all of the comments and simply paste them into 25th January 2011 edition of this fine publication? This should save us all a great deal of time in the future.

    • Paul says:

      04:47pm | 26/01/10

      @eric So you don’t want to answer my question about why Howard changed the legislation?  Take your hate rants and lack of answers and go the pub and lighten up dude!

    • AT says:

      06:21pm | 26/01/10

      Louise, your post is a near perfect example of the dog whistle at work.

      Morrison talks of integration, sub-communities etc, without identifying who he’s talking about. Some posters (myself included) challenge him and accuse him of tooting away at the old dog whistle. Morrison adds an additional post where he continues with the typical-for-a-politician weasel words and admirably manages to say nothing much at all except to insist that it’s not about race and labels dissenters “political opponents”. (A cheap and cynical ploy, but that’s a shitfight for another day).

      Then, with ears pricked, you come along and paste the ancient Hilaly quotes as a pretext for expressing your outrage at the outrageous words and actions of a couple of Muslim/Arab men; Hilaly and Skaf, and some hysterical nonsense about the threat of women being raped at beaches.

      All this in a blog about a cheesy pledge of allegiance!?

      All this despite Morrison’s proclamation that it’s got nothing to do with race!?

      I’m sure your post makes sense to you and seems appropriate to the subject at hand. Perhaps because you accurately picked up on the vibe of the thing? Or, if you prefer, you reacted as Morrison intended to his dog whistle.

      Without saying much of anything, without saying anything that couldn’t be interpreted in a multitude of ways and without the courage to clarify his comments Morrison has elicited this totally off-topic rant from you that with a wink and a nod from Morrison instils faith in his demographic that he has the same prejudices and he’ll be the one soothing your fears as long as you continue re-electing him.

      Shameful from him, disappointing from you.

    • Louise says:

      09:39pm | 26/01/10

      AT, try posting a comment without using the term dog whistle; an “ancient” and irrelevant expression. If you don’t bother to try to comprehend what others are saying, your replies fail to add anything worthwhile to the discussion.

      I always attempt to use simple language when blogging but I’ll try to make it even more simple for you.

      You asked “And what might these key points, values and culture be?” Well, for one, the equality of the dignity of men and women is one of these values that we should preserve in our culture.

      The posting from the Sheik is an example of this value not being supported or promoted in a particular sub group.

      The Bilal Skaf case was one of several that reflected an acceptance of the Sheik’s views in this group. In another case a rapist appealed the length of his sentence because in his native country rape wasn’t considered a crime so he didn’t know it was wrong (an argument soundly rejected by others in Australia who came from the same country as the rapist).

      It is so often the people who lack personal experience in these areas who constantly attempt to take the moral high ground with the predictable racist and in your case “dog whistle” lines. I note you didn’t attempt to answer may previous question : Perhaps you could articulate what is racist or “dog whistling” about rejecting an “Australian Community Leader” who doesn’t speak english preaching this to young men in Australia.

      Padding out you blog with personal slurs about other blogs without actually making any contribution to the discussion is quickly putting you in the “suspected troll, don’t bother reading” category.

    • AT says:

      12:19pm | 27/01/10

      Oh Louise, how dreary.

      I asked Morrison (not you) “what might these key points, values and culture be”. He didn’t proffer this vital info in his piece and didn’t answer it in his additional post. You say one of these things is ‘equal dignity for men and women’. Do you speak for Morrison? Nevermind that this is a value already promoted and to the best of our ability protected in our culture, but surely that is not the only value Morrison’s pledge of allegiance would support. What are the others?

      After all, you seem to have ‘comprehended’ Morrison’s comments whereas I (according to you) haven’t bothered trying to comprehend. So please, educate me. Once you’ve done that perhaps you could explain to me your methodology for reaching your conclusions so that I too might more readily ‘comprehend’ how a desolate little piece by a politician ostensibly about quaint pledging ceremonies is actually about foolish Muslim sheiks and obnoxious Lebanese rapists.

      Surely there’s plenty of non-Muslim “Australian Community Leaders” who spout equally offensive crap worthy of your disdain? Surely there’s plenty of non-Arab criminals perpetrating sickening rapes and even murders (Anita Cobby’s killers, for one) equally worthy of your disgust?

      But no, you’ve ‘comprehended’ Morrison’s empty words (where I have not) and earnestly inform us that it’s actually all about Hilaly and Skaf and the exclusion of “this group” from Morrison’s integrated and inclusive society.

      At the very least your post is an introspective and irrelevant rant seeking to create links where none could reasonably be made. Either you’ve selfishly misappropriated this blog (and more specifically my post) to satisfy some personal desire to echo the ‘mainstream’s’ disapproval or you’re reading between the lines of Morrison’s piece and in fact quite accurately extrapolating on the ‘message’ = dog whistle, Louise, dog whistle.

      I didn’t bother responding to your question because it’s a bloody stupid question and I didn’t want to embarrass you, but I think we’re past such trivial concerns, so; the “Australian Community Leader” you speak of has already been rejected so why do you (speaking on behalf of Morrison, as you appear to be) feel the need to point out that the rejection of this individual would be a manifestation of Morrison’s values? It’s already part of mainstream values. And what does him not speaking English have to do with anything, Louise?

      I’d be happy for you to classify me a troll and ignore my posts. Perhaps you could redirect your attention to Joe who’s more adventurous than you and is posting comments about “holocaust fiction” and ‘British sharia law’?

    • Dan says:

      03:20am | 27/01/10

      Joe, you are a disgusting racist. You don’t want to live in a multi-racial nation, then you will have alot of trouble finding one as most nations are multi-racial. Most decent people want to live with other races and ethnicities. But then you would love it if White Australia was brought back.

      “the Cronulla riots were a response to Muslim violence against whites” Really? Then how do you explain the attacking of anyone who looked Lebanese, the use of the Australian flag draped around the rioters and the ‘we were born here, you flew here’? You really are repulsive. Those Muslims you obviously hate contribute alot more to this country than white supremecists like you; people who obviously idolise the Nazies!

    • Joe says:

      08:59am | 27/01/10

      Sticks and stones Dan. I’d have trouble finding a white nation. I’d have no problem finding a black country or an asian country etc. Its mostly white countries that are multiracial. I’d dispute that most people want to live with other races and ethnicities. White flight and the ethnic ghettos that have sprung up since the indroduction of multiracial policy feature in the news from time to time. Opinions on who’s decent are subjective. I think leftists that send food aid to Africa perpetuating the cycle of famine and poverty are retarded scum.

      I explain the attacking of anyone who looked Lebanese as mistaken identity. I’d thought that obvious. It was reported as mistaken identity at the time. Doesn’t mean I agree with it. I think you and yours are repulsive for trying to force your half baked idelogy on to me.

      You don’t know who the racists are Dan, most keep there mouths shut. Particularly those in higher positions. To claim that Muslims contribute more to this country than us evil baby eating ‘white supremecists’ is true, if you’re talking about crime, poverty and social problems. And whites being supreme over their own lives and nations is just terrible isn’t it Dan. Can’t have that. The Nazis lost Dan, I don’t idolise losers.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      02:54pm | 27/01/10

      Of course, your racist, ignorant whining about a few hundred refugees arriving by sea is not divisive is it Scott?

      You would prefer we become a lawless place breaking our own laws rather than help a few hundred Afghans or Tamils.

      And then you dare to whine about “some drown”, well yes some do.  But over 100,000 Tamils were slaughtered compared to 12 who drowned.

      Hundreds of thousands of Afghans have died since we invaded, a couple have drowned.

      I will not take an oath of any description to a statutory citizenship that means nothing.

      Ask David Hicks, Mamdouh Habib and Vivian Alvarez how much it meant to them.

    • Dan says:

      10:30pm | 27/01/10

      Joe, you really are delusional. To say that Muslims contribute more crime, poverty and social problems than racists like you shows what an idiot you truly are. The REALITY is that Muslims do more good for this country than racists like you. Their contributions are alot more positive than people like you. The people who are reponsible for most of the crime and social problems are racists like you. Muslims are an incredible presence in this country. You should be deported.

      As for the Nazies, perhaps one reason not to idolise them is that they murdered 6 million people because of their religion?!!! I’m Jewish, let me guess. You are probably disappointed that my entire family wasn’t wiped out.

      “I explain the attacking of anyone who looked Lebanese as mistaken identity.” So, it’s okay to go out and attack people in the name of racism and ‘vigilantism’, as long as they went after the ‘right’ people? And who are these ‘right’ people? God, you’re dispicable.

      “Opinions on who’s decent are subjective. ” Actually no. You are a racist, Islamophobic, Anti-Semtici, Nazi supporting white supremecist. You are not decent under any definition of the word!

      “I think leftists that send food aid to Africa perpetuating the cycle of famine and poverty are retarded scum.” Firstly, do you know anyone who is retarded or disabled? If you did, you wouldn’t use that word. Secondly, of course you don’t like it; if you had your way, all the Africans would be killed, you disgusting scum!!!

      You really are disgusting!

    • Dan says:

      05:20am | 28/01/10

      Joe, you really are a disgusting racist. The fact that the reason you don’t idolise the Nazies because they lost, not because they were racist genocidal murderers, says it all. You are an anti-semitic, Islamophobic, racist, white supremecist. I’m Jewish. I bet you wish that my entire family was wiped out in the Holocaust.

      “I explain the attacking of anyone who looked Lebanese as mistaken identity.” So, it’s okay if they went after the ‘right’ people. Who are these ‘right’ people? I bet it’s anyone who aren’t white.

      “You claim that Muslims contribute more to this country than us evil baby eating ‘white supremecists’ is true, if you’re talking about crime, poverty and social problems” Actually no. Racists and white supremecists like you are responsible for more crime and social problems than any Muslims. Muslims have made alot more positive contributions to this country than you ever have. If anyone is ruining the safety and social fabric of this country, it’s people like you.

      “I think leftists that send food aid to Africa perpetuating the cycle of famine and poverty are retarded scum.” Retarded? If you knew anyone who was disabled, you wouldn’t use such a word. Scum? The only scum are people like you who obviously want the Africans to all die since they aren’t the right skin colour. You’re genocidal scum!

      “Opinions on who’s decent are subjective.” No. You are NOT decent, not under any definition of the word. You should be deported!!!

    • Loskey says:

      01:12pm | 04/02/10

      I think someone has a real chip on his shoulder, Everyone is a racist no matter what race you stem from. But it is far easier to call a white man a racist, Why?, because of a bad history of being racists. Just remember, ones opinion is usually a reflection of ones self. Dan, you sound like you are hurting.

 

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