Why didn’t the Q&A shoe‑thrower Peter Gray toss former Prime Minister John Howard a lamington instead?

Shoes away. The shoe being chucked at Howard last night on Q&A

Taking his cue from an Iraqi journalist, turned footwear rejecter, who flung his possessions at then‑US President George W Bush, Gray in one unoriginal act exposed the limitations of the Q&A program as an uninhibited experiment in deliberative democracy.

According to the program’s website, Q&A aims to place punters, pollies and pundits together to ‘thrash out’ the hot issues of the week. Think of it as the political equivalent of a WWE steel cage match.

The website also insists ‘it doesn’t matter who you are, or where you’re from - everyone can have a go and take it up to our politicians and opinion makers.’ Gray certainly took this calling to heart, and later proceeded (perhaps in a shoeless state) to hyperbolically claim that Howard is a ‘war criminal.’

It is understandable why the format of the program, with insider politicians subjected to critical questioning by outsider citizens, would prove to be an attractive hour of television viewing for many.

With the act and consequences of political action often falling short of their objectives it is also clear why numerous people may wish to submit questions or Tweet messages that, ahem, exhort the likes of Gray to throw shoes at political panelists they don’t like.

However to objectively call Q&A a successful application of Australian ‘democracy in action’ would be grossly stretching the argument on two counts.

A mere 656,000 people witnessed the shoe debacle this week (for the record, I finished watching the ‘Vampire Diaries’ on Channel Go! and settled in for the night browsing online). That same evening, considerably greater numbers of Australians watched Today Tonight (Seven) (1.33 million viewers), A Current Affair (Nine) (1.07 million) and The 7pm Project (Ten) (752,000 viewers).

The important point to emphasise is that Q&A does not attract mainstream attention, even though it might enjoy a ‘shoe echo’ improvement in its ratings next week.

Arguably, nor should Q&A be receiving any special attention above the light entertainment options on other channels or elsewhere since, after all, the political panel will respond to questions with their normally dismissive spin.

In any case, the ‘hot issues’ of today become yesterday’s news tomorrow and, besides, the chances that a given individual’s vote will be decisive at the next election is infinitesimal.

What Q&A tends to draw for a crowd are the political junkies, the lobbyists, the pressure group flunkies, and those with intense single‑issue opinions on sometimes rather obscure issues.

The idea that Q&A should be a riotous, unabashed celebration for the intense to say whatever they want to say, and do whatever they want to do, leads to the disrepectful outbursts waged by the likes of Gray where strength of feeling, rather than consequences, are applauded.

Instead of shoe‑throwing or verbal barbs expressed by the Twitterati on a television program gone awry, there is arguably a much better place to register one’s intensity of preferences concerning political opinion - and that is votes for preferred candidates for the Australian Senate.

I suspect like many other Australians if I want entertainment I won’t go to a current affairs program, ‘democracy in action’ or otherwise. We’ll keep tuning into entertainment programs provided by the commercial channels or, in my own case, watch romantic vampires followed by surfing the far more interesting Internet.

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    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      02:17pm | 26/10/10

      I did not watch Q & A but i did see a news recording of the incident .
      Must say i was most impressed with John Howards grace & dignity on the matter .  Especially when he comforted the ABC’s Q&A moderator.
      His trademark wide smile stayed in place as he gracefully dismissed the idiocy of the incident.
      The former P.M. was and still is an Australian statesman.

    • Lazy Jesus says:

      03:24pm | 26/10/10

      Agreed. I don’t like the man, never have and doubt I ever will, but he handled the incident with great aplomb. The former PMs of our great country deserve more respect than to have some scruffy no hoper (that can’t even come up with his own shtick) throwing stank-ass rotten shoes at them.

    • Christian Real says:

      01:10pm | 27/10/10

      Former PM, I will agree with you on that one Wayne,but as for an Australian Statesman or still an Australian Stateman, that comment by you is an insult to all real fair dinkum Australian Stateman.
      He will have to start wearing a hard hat just in case somebody’s aim isn’t as bad as that fellow that threw the shoes at him.
      I wonder if he has kept the bullet proof vest that he wore when he was addressing that gun rally .
      Hardly a Statesman’, Wayne a ‘coward’ and follower of prominent a American President into a conflict of aggression against Iraq,based on false and misleading information about weapons on mass destruction that no longer existed.
      Also it didn’t take Howard long to turn on his former Treasurer Peter Costello and ridicule him in his book of lies that he has had published.

    • Damocles says:

      06:35pm | 27/10/10

      @ Christian Real…...come on Chris, get real! You wouldn’t know an Australian Statesman if you fell over one! John Howard is, in every sense of the word, a true Australian Statesman! As for coward, the dictionary definition of coward is “A person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.” This is definitely John Howard! He has proven he is a man who has the courage of his convictions…..dictionary definition, “If you have the courage of your convictions, you are brave enough to do what you feel is right, despite any pressure for you to do something different.” This describes John Howard perfectly. It certainly doesn’t describe our present PM, who is the exact opposite, so maybe you should aim your coward barb at a more deserving target! Can’t wait for her book. Anyway, Mr. Real, my poor aiming name caller, hop on your leftist bike and peddle off!

    • acotrel says:

      09:14pm | 27/10/10

      JWH has finally made it to the big time.  He’s right up there with Dubya.  Not every pollie gets a shoe chucked at him by one of the great unwashed!

    • Christian Real says:

      06:52am | 28/10/10

      Damocles
      Courage of his convictions you say,why then did John Howard show lack of courage when he wore a bullet proof vest to a gun rally meeting.This in itself shows that he was afraid of getting shot because of his ban on guns.
      The only poor aiming name caller, was you Damocles, I am right wing not left and it is pehaps you that should hop on your bike and peddle off

    • Dave-o says:

      02:30pm | 26/10/10

      QANDA is a superb show and I enjoy nothing more than a few drinks and a laugh on Monday night. I must be some sort of junkie or fringe dwelling pressure group. Maybe I’ll broaden my Monday experience by watching some vapid, imported crap-ola about the modern day struggles of love sick vampires

    • OLD COBBER says:

      11:10am | 27/10/10

      Yeah,right Davo.  Any show that regularly features John Elliot and “Cakes” Hewson must be watched drinking hard stuff.  As for Jonesey he’s so far up himself he thinks he is a TV star moderator.    Q&A?  Quaint &Auntie;

    • acotrel says:

      09:18pm | 27/10/10

      Imagine Australia without the ABC?  We’d have Nazi Andy Bolt feeding us bull on behalf of Rupe, and noone to refute it!

    • Macca says:

      02:35pm | 26/10/10

      So, noticed the author didn’t include the ratings for any of the other programs on at the same time as QandA, just primetime.

      Amateur hour.

      On that, last night was excellent Television and QandA shows us a side of politicians we rarely get on the 24 hour news cycle.

    • Andy W says:

      08:33am | 27/10/10

      656,000 viewers at 9:30 in not mainstream but a show that gets 752,000 in prime time is?
      Q&A rates quite well in its own time slot and I sure it out-rated the vampire diaries on Go.

    • Daniel says:

      02:35pm | 26/10/10

      The shoe incident was interesting to me. i had to do a double take. As for it being a political free for all I doubt it. It is highly filtered and Ive never been able to get a question asked or answered. I’m a political junkie though and I love the show. Last night was hard though I was switching between Ladette to Lady USA and QANDA.

    • TimB says:

      04:54pm | 26/10/10

      Daniel they probably get a ton of questions, and don’t have enough time to use them all. I highly doubt it’s a conspiracy to keep you personally from paticipating.

    • Eric says:

      02:44pm | 26/10/10

      As far as I know, throwing an object at someone is legally defined as assault.

      Why wasn’t the offender arrested and charged?

    • SM says:

      03:22pm | 26/10/10

      good question

      why was his only penalty being escorted out of the studio?

    • AFR says:

      03:39pm | 26/10/10

      Arrested fror throwing things? You’re kidding right? Where was the harm/damage done to Howard? I guess we were lucky it wasn’t a woman who threw the shoes, hey?

    • Nicole says:

      04:34pm | 26/10/10

      @Eric, I would have thought it was defined as assault. Do you remember that other idiot that threw the egg at Julia Gillard in Perth? There was a huge uproar about that and and rightfully so, but from memory, don’t quote me I may be wrong, he was charged. So why is it that throwing shoes at John Howard viewed as funny? And why hasn’t this imbecile been charged? I just couldn’t believe what I saw. I must have lost my sense of humour because I find that display of behaviour disgraceful and utterly disrespectful.

    • Ben81 says:

      05:54pm | 26/10/10

      I doubt John Howard would want him charged Eric.  The shoe throwing clown made a fool of himself and nobody got hurt, let it be.  Why give him more attention?

    • Eric says:

      05:57pm | 26/10/10

      AFR - So, if someone shoots a gun at you and misses, according to you, there’s no harm done and no need to arrest the shooter? And if you think getting hit by a thrown shoe isn’t serious, I advise you to take off your shoe and whack yourself in the face with it, as hard as you can.

      By the way, what do women have to do with this issue? Are you obsessed?

    • Nicole says:

      06:31pm | 26/10/10

      AFR, will you get off Eric’s back? There are a few things I disagree with him on, but at least he’s got the guts to actually say what so many men think. There’s a hell of a lot of nasty, vindictive women out there and I suspect he may have been unfortunate enough to come across a few. If he’s so offencive to you, skip his posts and stop hanging sh!t on him!

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      09:53pm | 26/10/10

      Nicole it is only an outrage & assault if it is a Labor polly at the receiving end

    • Joseph says:

      06:39am | 27/10/10

      Because it would be tacky and unnecessary, and beneath a refined person. No harm was done to Howard and the shoe thrower looked the fool.

    • Steve_of_Cornubia says:

      08:05am | 27/10/10

      Yes, the guy who threw the egg at Gillard was charged - surprise! He was due to appear in court in August but I don’t know what the outcome was.

      Q&A is a disgrace; it is so heavily biased toward the Left. This episode was just like the rest - a set-up designed to embarrass a right-wing politician. Usually, the panel and ‘audience’ are left-loaded, and the host can be counted as hostile to the Right, too.

      I think a full-on enquiry is warranted here. Firstly, the ABC should not have given Hicks air time. He is a convicted criminal and self-confessed supporter of anti-Australian terrorists. That his appearance was so obviously supported by the ABC (i.e. a very professional-looking job, no webcam rubbish for Hicksy, eh?).

      Secondly, why was such a scruffy-looking idiot like Gray not just allowed in, but given a front-row seat? How convenient for him.

      Finally, the ABC’s publishing of the Tweet that urged someone to throw a shoe at Howard, moments before Gray did exactly that, is shameful and dodgy. Did someone in the ABC know what was going to happen?

      There is sufficient suspicion in my mind to warrant a closer look at the whole sorry affair, not least because this debacle has been aired overseas and is making Australia look bad.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      03:17pm | 27/10/10

      In answer to Eric’s question - the victim has to press the charge, and I doubt JWH did.

    • acotrel says:

      09:23pm | 27/10/10

      The same reason GRUB employers never get charged with manslaughter - it isn’t politically expedient! Anyway the guy should be fined for missing his target! It’s an argument for universal military service for our youth!  Good thing Howard took all the guns off us?

    • Ask a stupid question says:

      02:48pm | 26/10/10

      Are you sure it wasn’t his publisher’s idea ?

    • farkurnell says:

      09:43pm | 26/10/10

      Ha! I was waiting for the conspiracy theorist to emerge.The political cynic in me thought harmless stunt ,great theatre,,should sell a few books. I wonder ,no not possible ,could it be staged managed by the book company.

    • watty says:

      09:00am | 27/10/10

      Of course it was.I have looked at the recording of the"shoe incident” and I am sure Howard gave Gray a secret hand signal to “throw the shoe now”“

      Actually Gray was aiming for Tony Jones but like most of his previous protests in the Newcastle area he was wide of the mark.

    • acotrel says:

      09:28pm | 27/10/10

      John Howard probably paid the guy to chuck his shoes at him! Perhaps he’s going to write a mini series on his life?  If it happened on commercial TV, I’d know an advertiser arranged the incident!

    • Dave-o says:

      02:58pm | 26/10/10

      PS John Hewson would have caught those shoe’s.

    • kyzz says:

      04:29pm | 26/10/10

      and thrown them back, knocking out the offender

    • jeffb says:

      02:58pm | 26/10/10

      After 11 years of Howard why are you surprised noone tuned in to see more of him?

    • TimB says:

      04:51pm | 26/10/10

      Yep blame Howard. It has nothing to do with the fact that Q&A usually gets those kind of ratings no mater who’s on the program, no that would make too much sense.

    • Eric says:

      05:09pm | 26/10/10

      You ‘tuned in’ to make a comment.

    • krudd says:

      05:28pm | 26/10/10

      Actually 656,000 people tuned in.  Which is approximately 656,000 more than no-one.

    • jeffb says:

      07:11pm | 26/10/10

      Yes Eric I’m magically posting through my tv remote control, isn’t technology fantastic.

    • acotrel says:

      09:36pm | 27/10/10

      The look on Howard’s face when the shoes were thrown at him, was one of sheer delight! The guy who threw them was one of the great unwashed that have been shat on for years by the Libs - Howard was vindicated, his past cynicism was proven to have been justified!  The rabble are out there and deserve to be ignored by the conservatives?

    • d says:

      07:10pm | 28/10/10

      @ acotrel….....acotrel? “The rabble are out there and deserve to be ignored by the conservatives.” Yeah, and deserve to be shafted by the radicals! Get a grip mate! Howard saved Australia from the GFC and Labor rode in using his “nest egg” to claim THEY did it! You ever hear the fable of the grasshopper and the ant? Need I say, Labor is the grasshopper and the Liberals, the ant. In the fable, guess who survived the winter. But in Australia land, nasty, thieving Labor grasshopper stole the Liberal ant’s winter stockpile and then true to form claimed they had fended off the GFC winter! Nothing more needs to be said ......damn the grasshoppers of the world!

    • Shawn says:

      03:14pm | 26/10/10

      Ive never heard of this show, but can I just say that I would like to know what sort of shoes they were? I know that they were brown ones, but apart from that, I dont this this point has been properly addressed by anybody.

    • Holly says:

      03:25pm | 26/10/10

      Thank goodness Q and A does not attract mainstream attention if it will be at the level of those programs which you claim do (Current Affair and Today Tonight).  Q and A is addictive in its unpredictability and has moments of brilliance.  So tell us just why the political junkies as you refer to them should not have a program which caters to them. The Twitter stream can be a bit distracting but sometimes is hilarious.  I thought last nights shoe thrower did not actually aim to hit - just make a point, and it is still open for debate as to whether J W Howard is in fact a war criminal. 

      I didn’t quite get the point of your article, indeed if there was actually was one.  Go surf the web, you describe as more interesting - watch your vapid programs and leave us to enjoy our weekly fix.

    • Sirro says:

      10:45pm | 26/10/10

      “it is still open for debate as to whether J W Howard is in fact a war criminal”

      You are kidding. Howard is a hero.

      Perhaps you would have preferred having Saddam as your Prime Minister? Then perhaps you may appreciate what a War Criminal is ... especially if you were Kurdish.

    • James1 says:

      05:32pm | 28/10/10

      My issue with the Iraq war is that I find it hard to see what Saddam Hussein ever did to Australia that warranted us going to war against him.  I believe it was Talleyrand who said “It was worse than a crime, it was a mistake.”

    • HappyCynic says:

      03:51pm | 26/10/10

      I sort of tune in and out of Q&A, their shows are generally hit ‘n’ miss, but last nights was gripping and an excellent episode, so much so that when I switched channels to watch something more interesting I recorded the rest of the show and watched it afterward.

      I never liked Howard, last night made me remember why, but I do respect him now more than ever for having something no other politician currently has in Federal Parliament today.  And that’s a spine, he has the unflappable view that he’s right, and he has the courage to stand by his convictions even if everyone thinks he’s wrong.

      Today’s political cowards like Hockey, Abbott, Gillard, Swan, Rudd, Turnbull and so on have all had their spines surgically removed by the 24 hour media cycles and I for one miss JWH for the fact that he didn’t/wouldn’t grovel to public opinion or the media.

    • neil says:

      04:11pm | 26/10/10

      “Q&A does not attract mainstream attention”

      The ABC does not attract mainstream attention, which is why it’s left bias has little impact on public opinion, they are preaching to the converted. Unfortunately the mainstream are paying for the this leftist folly.

      While I consider the shoe thrower a purile w4nker, he did not throw the shoes with intent they were gently lobbed way to the left (how poignant) just to make a statement.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      09:56pm | 26/10/10

      He has been outed as an attention Junkie & serial protester = W4NKER

    • Mike says:

      08:59am | 27/10/10

      Actually Gray went on radio the next day and said in fact that his intention was to hit Howard but he threw like a girl (his line).

      He also said his intention was to make Howard look bad and he thought that he had achieved this. Though from where I was sitting I thought the opposite was the case. Howard came off looking dignified and in control and Gray came off looking like a moron.

    • Richard says:

      04:13pm | 26/10/10

      The OP is being very dismissive about QandA, I almost get the feeling she’s got a bit of sour grapes about it all. Maybe she felt left out of the water-cooler conversation this morning because she didn’t watch last night’s (terrific) episode of QandA, and felt compelled to write this piece proclaiming “Its not even good anyway so shut up”.

      Btw its funny that the author puts down QandA viewers as “political junkies, lobbyists, and pressure group flunkies”, and brags about watching Channel Go! and “surfing” online. Doesn’t she realise that lame tv shows about vampires and passive web browsing activities are sooo passé? All the cool people spend their monday nights watching ABC1 and spaming twitter with #4corners/ #qanda/ #lateline hashtags, you know I’m right?

    • Ross says:

      11:27am | 27/10/10

      Richard you left out Media Watch on monday night shame on you . ABC1 on monday night is the most interesting night of the week. . Qand A is one of the funniest shows around now that they show the Twitter coments

    • Assertive Realist says:

      12:09pm | 27/10/10

      It could be better, there could be a Media Watch about Media Watch!!

    • ed says:

      04:21pm | 26/10/10

      so someone who doesn’t watch the program decides to comment on it…wow! great stuff. just what we need.

    • mid says:

      04:22pm | 26/10/10

      ho hum, IPA, enough said

    • Chris says:

      04:33pm | 26/10/10

      Mr Gray needs to learn to walk a mile in sombody else’s shoes. Or any shoes, for that matter.

    • pete says:

      04:44pm | 26/10/10

      Bit Harsh. Lets not forget Getup"s contribution to grassroots democracy /circumventing the Labor/Liberal monopoly cum strnglehold on non-debate on certain issues.

    • TimB says:

      04:56pm | 26/10/10

      What’s amusing about this incident is the moron in question tried to get his shoes back from the studio reception afterwards. They told him “no”.

      Idiot.

    • Ross says:

      11:31am | 27/10/10

      Sounds like Right wing bias if they would not return the poor mans property . Is that not theft.

    • TimB says:

      12:36pm | 27/10/10

      No, it isn’t theft. He threw the shoes away. Therefore he has no further claim on them.

      Intertesting that you are more concerned with the theft of this “poor man’s” shoes than you are with the far more serious incident of assault.

    • James1 says:

      05:36pm | 28/10/10

      They should give them to John Howard.  He could frame them or something.

    • Wayne Burns says:

      05:26pm | 26/10/10

      Q&A is a wishy-washy colloquium of the chronically privileged commentariat, whose scant knowledge of just about everything makes for almost painful television. As a mirror to the vociferous Australian middle-class, Q&A reflects a sad imag…e of cosseted, self-obsessed citizens, more cognisant of themselves than the community in which they enjoy considerable privilege and access to decision-making.

    • Assertive Realist says:

      12:14pm | 27/10/10

      I agree. Also I’m amazed at how many people claim they are ashamed to be Australians. Because of the thin veneer of understanding they have on most issues I’m ashamed they are too!

    • xyz says:

      05:37pm | 26/10/10

      I watched Q&A last night and was reminded why John Howard lost his seat of Bennelong. I don’t condone the shoe-throwing incident, however Howard consistently refused to answer questions or admit responsibility for some of his decisions during his 11 years as PM (no apology, invasion of Iraq). He didn’t answer David Hicks’ question or that of the shoe-thrower. I also got the feeling that the Q&A audience was stacked with Liberal Party supporters.

      But hey… what a great way to sell your latest book !!!

    • Paul says:

      05:42pm | 26/10/10

      I thought the display by the “protester” was pretty ordinary to be honest. It irks me that certain people treat shows like this as Debate hour, rather then Q&A. Ask a question, get an answer. An answer - that’s all it is. You may not like it, you may not agree with it, but that’s the point of the show. And once it became clear to this muppet and his harpy girlfriend that Howard wasn’t going to admit to the whole world that why yes, he was obviously wrong, and thanked them for showing them the error of his ways (before surrendering himself to the international criminal court) - well, they attacked the man, rather than accepting a difference of opinion. Pretty ordinary stuff.

      Still, that’s what you get from the left.

    • cynic says:

      05:56pm | 26/10/10

      Great pr for a new book for howard. Showed how to handle a tough situation well with grace, jooles should take note, her bitchiness gets away at times. As for the show, a waste & biased with left leaning moderators & many attendees. Best left to aunty as would not survive any where else.

    • Soames says:

      06:33pm | 26/10/10

      Jonesy had a thought bubble when/if he concieved the idea of Q&A. Basically it was not a bad idea, and initially, was tentative. It did at one stage, depending on the panel, seem to develop, although fleetingly, into an interesting program. As with any show where the public is invited to ask questions, it was bound to descend to the lower common denominator, not only by the usual suspects, but by Jonsey himself, by not having the nous nor ability to sort the questions by value,  from the point of view to having a show of longevity. And it is now a ‘show’, nothing else. Politicians and commentators queued up in their millions of course, to score points, by gentle, focused persuasion, to ‘questions’ by the ill-informed but angry, the pseudo intellectual, the 10 seconds of fame vacuous wallahs, the eighteen-something ‘blondes’ with false adopted private high-school accents, the retired school marm feminist with an agenda, the social misfit unwilling to take any job, and so on. In other words, the general public, a recipe for a limited lifespan for a ‘show’. On the other hand, it could develop into a sort of up/down-market, (by the gifted unintentional dorothy-dixers from an audience questioner), into a sort of Dr. Phil, or by a thoughtful controversial questioner, into a variation of PBS Newshour. Q&A presently is barely above the ‘new paridigm’ of Question Time in both houses. One is content to watch one’s old tapes of the Roadrunner, Get Smart, and McHale’s Navy.

    • Bruce says:

      06:48pm | 26/10/10

      So Q & A did not security screen the audience ? The person is a known nutter. Something smells, me thinks Tony Jones and Q & A might have allowed this to happen. What next, throw BATS at Peter Garrett, and school buildings at Joolya ???

    • TimB says:

      07:17am | 27/10/10

      I don’t condone violence against any of our political leaders (no matter what side of politics), but I have to say the image of Gillard being hit with an entire building is ridculously amusing.

      Partially because the imagery involved with someone trying to throw a building (is this person the Hulk or something?).
      But mostly because I keep picturing that opening scene in the Wizard of Oz where Julia as the Wicked Witch of the East is crushed by a house.

      Dorothy of course takes the Ruby Slippers, possibly to throw at the Wizard when they meet later on.

    • AJ says:

      08:53am | 27/10/10

      TimB I think you’re wrong. IMO it would by quite easy to lift up one of those tiny school canteens that no-one can fit it and throw it at Jools.

    • Marnie says:

      07:16pm | 26/10/10

      I’m pretty embarassed by this guy’s behaviour. sure you can make a point, but if he couldnt voice his opinion in a public arena of debate without resorting to violence he shouldn’t have been there.

      Kinda cringed at the numbers of aussies watching crap journalism aka TT/ACA though. Thats just sad. :(

    • Michael says:

      07:39pm | 26/10/10

      the moron probably didn’t get charged because howard didn’t want him to be charged, he wasn’t talking to the hippy when he said “calm down calm down let it go” atleast i don’t think he was.

      As for you julie, i think you should pack a few more twinkys in with your mindless vampire shows.

    • stephen says:

      07:42pm | 26/10/10

      Tom Jones gets undies thrown at him, and John can only dream.

    • My shoes are made for walkin' says:

      09:11pm | 26/10/10

      It seems that the Howard-haters haven’t grown up or even started to think for themselves. Mindless sheep they are. ‘I saw some Iraqi journo throw shoes at George Bush so I’ll do the same thing because I can’t think of anything original’.  John Howard’s dignity and maturity sit in perfect contrast to the immature and disgraceful behaviour we’ve come to expect from the left.

    • Ben says:

      09:44pm | 26/10/10

      So the quote of the day is stay in Afghanistan and Iraq or risk nuclear terror,  What an absolutely stupid thing to say,  whos going to nuke us,  the USA?  there the only force in those two countries with nuclear Capability…

      But wait Alciada is taking over Pakistan , so i guess if we leave then we are being threatened by nuclear terror by False Flag attack from USA Intelligence..

      Wake up People, your Government are the Terrorists. Keep you in fear with lie after lie after lie.  The UN agenda needs to End in Australia.

      If you give away your Freedom for Security,  you deserve Neither.

      Shame the guy missed.

    • Bob H says:

      09:54pm | 26/10/10

      QANDA has an interesting facade but there is never anything underneath, no tough questions, no drilling subject depths, it is all very suburban, friendly and polite.  Today Tonight for suburban professionals.

    • Young Conservative says:

      10:59pm | 26/10/10

      I believed many audience member’s asked their questions in rather a contemptuous tone, a lack of respect for the former PM, love or him or lump him, respect is owed to this man. I rather liked the rather poetic nature of the last question. Q&A as the lovely Julie Novak states, is so much about the ABC finding fringe dwellers, one issue people, who attempt to catch pollies or opinion makers out on to be honest rather fickle, non-issue issues. Shall we go into the clear audience bias? Overwhelming majority of left leaning 20 somethings.

    • Mal says:

      11:16pm | 26/10/10

      dumbest article ever on the Punch

    • Seano says:

      11:25pm | 26/10/10

      I despise Howard and everything he stood for but throwing shoes at him was pretty stupid and unoriginal.

    • thatmosis says:

      06:42am | 27/10/10

      (for the record, I finished watching the ‘Vampire Diaries’ on Channel Go! and settled in for the night browsing online).
      That just about says it all for this journo. Here we had the chance to see one of Australias top PM’s in action and our journo who wrote the above piece was watching a frivolous show . How the hell can one comment on something they havent seen with any chance of being taken seriously. The clown that threw the shoes showed the world that he and his partner had the combined IQ of a road kill and were about as clean. John thought it was a lark and the reaction of the people there who jeered Gray and his partner said it all. This was the mindless action of someone who has never done anything for his country and is just a waste of space and oxygen as is the supposed piece of journalism above by someone that didnt even have the decency to watch the show. Go back to watching your mind numbing American crap and leave the real journalism to people who know what they are talking about.

    • Sam Chowder says:

      06:45am | 27/10/10

      The shoe, I believe, was of the slip on variety, proving this despicable airborne crime was premeditated.  Audience members with these clearly radical slip on footwear, should not be allowed in the studio and entered into a terrorist footwear database.

    • rod sexton says:

      07:19am | 27/10/10

      The bigger insult to the viewer was having David Hicks on the show. This guy is Australia’s number one jerk.

    • TimB says:

      08:31am | 27/10/10

      Damn straight.

      Howard’s response to Hick’s question should have been simply this:  Hicks was a traitor to this country and should have been left to rot in Guantanamo. No apologies or explanations necessary.

      IMO The second he joined up with the Taliban, he turned his back on Australia, and automatically gave up any rights he had as an Australian citizen. The goverment wasn’t obliged to do anything to help him at all. 

      He should think himself lucky that he got off so lightly and stop his bitching.

    • Steve says:

      08:52am | 27/10/10

      So the ABC & Q&A must now have an audience to be relevant. You blame the program for the shoe throwing incident when in fact it is a mark of great shame and distaste that this person can get headlines (which is what he wanted) for a disgraceful act on a former PM.
      A person who has no voice, needs a haircut and is obviously inherently ‘dumb’ has now been given national headlines for a mark of tremendous disrespect.

      If this is the best Australia can produce then i fear for our country, thankfully we still have people like John Howard to rise above all of this and lead us.
      Don’t blame the program blame the thrower of the shoes and possibly even his parents.

    • Chewy says:

      09:01am | 27/10/10

      Like everything on Aunty almost every Q & A panel is stacked to the Left, so is the crowd, so is the host.
      You only have to compare the hostile reception from the stacked audience for the likes of Andrew Bolt to the cheers for the likes of Tim Flannery..
      And before some smarty comes and says “nooooooo ABC is bias towards the Liberal party didnt you see that ANU report?”  I say “Oh yes the report done by the now Labor member for Fraser and former ANU proffesor”.

    • JulesG says:

      01:05pm | 27/10/10

      Could it be that ABC viewers are more intelligent, informed and opinionated than your average, commercial and spoon fed TV audience. As such, your average ABC viewer will naturally lean to the left because it makes more sense than the 50’s style dogma preached by the conservatives. Who, after all, are only interested in managing money and maintaining the differential between them and us; perpetrating the class system with them at the top. It’s not bias, it just looks like bias. It’s just the vast unwashed masses finding a voice and seeing right through the conservative agenda of divide and conquer and of rulers and ruled.

    • John Goslino says:

      09:22am | 27/10/10

      Disagree with the premise and indeed purpose of the article, as is my democratic right ( - :  Democracy works at different levels.  Q@A is simply a forum for public expression and discussion, and hopefully not a filtered one.  The integration with Twitter is a very useful way to support wider engagement, this kind of thing should be applauded.  The shoe-throwing protest action showed democracy in action, though any act of violence should not be supported.  And who said that the ‘mainstream’ (including viewers of ACA and vampire shows) actually know better or are of more value than the minority (err, watchers of Q@A, less ‘junkies’) anyway?  Quality policy and discussion is not a numbers game nor necessarily derived just via Senate politics.  Julie Novak represents a right wing conservative think-tank, that tends to be anti-ABC, so the comments are no surprise and frankly, of little value to those of us out there who are non-aligned, and simply want to learn and contribute.  We need to think outside the square if we are to improve what we get.

    • JulesG says:

      09:52am | 27/10/10

      You can’t compare previous Q&A’s to what occurred on Monday night. There was no panel for a start. It was dedicated to JH and his irrelevant ramblings because he wrote a book. It was not about the issues of the day with questions that were relevant and pertinent that would normally be delivered to a panel of people with diverse qualifications and views. It was a showboat for JH and a chance to explain why he did what he did, albeit 3 years after he was chucked out. Who gets a chance like that and why should they? It’s such a shame that the shoes missed, there’s too much political idolatry coming from the right wing loonies and as far as I’m concerned, JH is the one that should be locked up for visiting his Dickensian, Menzian , anti democratic rubbish on our beautiful country and taking us on the US driven wild goose chase in Iraq. It was a poor show on the part of of Q&A for airing such biased and one sided, out of date nonsense and in the format they did, too. I’ll brace myself for the ensuing conservative barrage - shall I? Have a nice day.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      02:04pm | 27/10/10

      No barrage mate, just sympathy & a suggestion that you get your doctor to increase your meds

    • Jane Wallace says:

      10:58am | 27/10/10

      Have you enjoyed John Howard, a Shoe In from the 1930s?
      Do you remember key dates
      October 26 1985
      November 12 1955
      October 26 1885
      November 12 2015?

      Do you believe in the Power Of love?
      Whats wrong,McFly?
      You’re Yellow/

      Back To The Future
      25 Years Ago,today
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    • Russ says:

      11:00am | 27/10/10

      I reckon it was a set up job. Howard will do anything for publicity. Scenario. He hires Gray to throw the shoes. Look at all of the free publicity. The Lying Little Rodent is the most corrupt politician in Australia’s history. Why would the leopard change its spots? I was a Liberal supporter until he came along. It will take a lot to get me to even listen to a Liberal. Independents for me from now on.

    • Andrew says:

      01:48pm | 27/10/10

      Russ, how can you see to write this comment while you’re sitting in a cupboard with a tinfoil hat on your head?

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      03:35pm | 27/10/10

      Can I interest you in one of our light weight Titanium hats, its what all the really hip left wing loonies are wearing

    • Sadiq Farris says:

      04:05pm | 27/10/10

      Q &A should be telecast for 30 minutes each week day at 6 pm seven days five days a week on ABC 1 or ABC News 24 instead of the bum DRUM!.
      Only Conservatives,Liberals, rednecks,  church goers,maneating barflies,married masturbators, and other welfare recipients can stay awake at 2130 Monday Nights 9.30 pm to watch Q & A

    • Nicole says:

      07:07pm | 27/10/10

      I think I can speak for both left and right here. We can stay awake until 21.30 because unlike yourself, we haven’t downed a cask of cheap wine and had 50 bongs. Try not to overindulge and you might make it until elevenish.

    • Sadiq farris says:

      04:09pm | 27/10/10

      Bob Brown was Dux Of Blacktown High and now Greens Leader.
      Peter Gray saw red ,was not yellow, threw his colored ( Blue? ) shoes at John Howard who turned white!

    • newnewshound says:

      04:02pm | 01/11/10

      While ‘QandA’ mightn’t be to your liking, Novak, it’s enjoyed by more than half a million others every week. Let’s not be derided because we find it more entertaining than ‘Vampire Diaries’. If nothing else it gives us political ‘outsiders’ an opportunity to see how the ‘insiders’ perform when stretched to provide more than a five-second grab on the nightly news.

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