Evidence is now mounting that last week’s Newspoll poll showing a seven point drop in Labor support was a rogue result, with Essential Research’s weekly tracking showing no movement in the two-party preferred vote.

Harr harr…Jon Kudelka's spooky take on Rudd's boat people dramas in The Oz.

The Essential Report, that has Labor comfortably ahead 59-41, follows on the heels of Monday’s Herald/Nielson poll that was also steady.

Beneath the headline figures there are some intriguing sub-plots, with the public going close to welcoming the increase in interest rates, while continuing to rate the Prime Minister down on his handling of the asylum seeker issue.

The last week’s coverage of politics has been intriguing – based as it was on a premise that no-one actually quite believed – that support for the Rudd Government had collapsed under his handling of asylum seekers.

But if you want to understand how Rudd can be struggling on one issue, but still dominant in the polls you need look no further than his management of the economy.

This is the area of public policy where conservative parties are supposed to smash the bleeding hearts, but Rudd is defying political gravity.

You could argue that an recession-busting economic policy based on low interest rates and big amounts of public spending is always going to be an attractive proposition, after all who doesn’t want more money in their pocket?

Now that rates are beginning to increase, those same punters might re-evaluate their opinion of the government’s management of the economy.

But it seems that the threat of the GFC has instilled in the Australian public a degree of tolerance for government seldom before seen. Indeed, we seem to have entered a political netherworld where people actually equate rising interests rate with an improving economy.

Interest rates.

Poor old Mark Latham must be turning in his political grave – Rudd is actually deriving benefit from rising rates, even amongst Coalition voters.

What’s happening here? My read is that Rudd is reaping the benefits from preparing Australia for an economic crisis that never occurred.

Whether the collective adrenalin that comes with weathering a near miss gets him through further rate rises and mounting debt will be a further test of his Houdini-like tenure.

For the time being, the public appears to accept that Australia has managed the situation better than most, conferring the positive outcomes on the PM while being prepared to blame the negatives on the global situation.

Meanwhile, the asylum seekers languishing in Indonesian waters continues to be a storm cloud on the PM’s ratings, albeit one that is yet to dent the polls.

Asylum seekers.

For a leader who prides himself on taking the centre ground, the PM seems to, for the first time, be getting a few splinters from spending too long on the fence.

This is translating into an issue where the Coalition is actually rated at being better at managing – albeit from a low base of 27-23, with 38 per cent saying it would make no difference.

While the issue of the Sri Lankan boatpeople is likely to be resolved in the next few weeks, the broader question will be whether the incident, the first time the PM has been clearly on the wrong side of a public debate, does start to chip away at his stellar poll numbers.

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    • hoofman says:

      04:59am | 10/11/09

      I want to see all the Rudd haters post about how unpopular they think he is. Now, I’m no Rudd fan but it’s silly to be blinded by prejudice. On these poll results, an election held now would be a Labor landslide. Many Libs would lose their seats. If that included some of the Howard-era dinosaurs that appeared on 4 Corners last night that would be a good thing.

    • John A Neve says:

      05:42am | 10/11/09

      What ever party is in power, they make decisions I don’t agree with. However, when it comes to election time I look at the overall result.

      Polls only reflect the mood of the moment, they sell papers, but are a guide to very little else.

      To date I’d give this government 7 out of 10 and make my final decision on election day.

    • Dan says:

      06:42am | 10/11/09

      That’s not actually true John A Neeve. While the only poll that matters is the election, mid-term polls are incredibly important as a party with sufficiently horrible numbers has almost no chance of winning the election, and vice-versa. Certainly, polls can be munipulated, but correctly structured polls do say a heck of a lot.

    • Peter says:

      07:00am | 10/11/09

      I don’t think anyone doubts Labor will win the next Fed Election, even Turnbull admits that. But it will be Rudds second term that is going to be interesting when Rudd has to make us start paying the bills instead of playing Santa Clause. And well interest rates at the moment aren’t an isssue either at the moment they are still at the lowest of lows which any sane person understands. I t will also be intersting to see how high they will go next year when things are getting back to normal.

    • Joel B1 says:

      07:10am | 10/11/09

      Hi Hoofman, well maybe, but Rudd was sure running scared what with 14(?) interviews in three days.

      Now that’s a laugh!

      PS stop name-calling eg “dinosaurs” you loser.
      (see you don’t like it do you? maybe you think it’s “not-fair” to be called a loser?)

    • Eric says:

      07:12am | 10/11/09

      Peter @ 8.00am is right.

      Also, if the flood of illegal immigrants continues to increase during Rudd’s second term, it will bite him.

      Liberals don’t even like Turnbull. They will need a new leader before they can win again. But anyone who steps into the leadership before the next election faces certain defeat, so they’re better off letting Turnbull take the fall and then replacing him.

    • Isabel says:

      07:14am | 10/11/09

      Those with savings welcome interest rate rises. Not everyone has a mortgage.

    • Karen says:

      07:35am | 10/11/09

      I agree I dont think anyone thinks Libs will win the next election. But after 2 years of the post Howard euphoria, there are going to be a lot of issues for the Rudd Government. Australia will be starting to look at all the promises this Government has made and how many it actually has kept. It also will be clearer to see how much money the Rudd Government has or hasn’t wasted on ill thought out spending. The National Broadband Network has no financial or business plan which is going to be a big issue next year for them. The investigation into the school infrastructure programe shows total mismangement and a careless waste of money. The Federal Governments idea of having super clinics instead of your local GP will not sit well with most Australians. The amount of money spent on consultancy fees by the Rudd Government has gone through the roof, when before the election they told us they would cut these fees. The doubling in size of Christamas Island is going ahead without any financial plan or estimated cost. Strange that one, when you consider Rudd beat his drum pre election about how Howard wasted millions building it in the first place. Then of course the Border Protection Policy and asylum seekers? These are just a few things on a list of many which will come back to haunt Rudd after the next election.

    • Mark Ingles says:

      07:48am | 10/11/09

      Alot of issues with the Rudd Government have conveniently been swept under the carpet during his first term, as they have been cleverly able to keep the Opposition in the headlines and not themselves. The Opposition have it seems, at last woken up to this and are starting to put the Government into the headlines. As time goes on next year we will see more scrutiny of the last two years of the Rudd Government. It’s been all fanfare for Rudd so far, but I think voters next year are going to be taking a closer look at what Rudd has achieved and how well he actaully has done on spending our money.

    • Andrew Goff says:

      07:51am | 10/11/09

      Turnbull is an unelecetable placeholder… that’s just demographically obvious. Rudd is seeming increasingly flawed, but “on current polls” will have a majority after the next election big enough to ensure a third term as well. Not good for Australia to have any party so dominant, Labor or Liberal.

      @Joel: HTFU.

      @Dan: Polls can and do turn around. The question is: can anyone in the Liberal party demand the leadership of even their own party enough to change the climate? And would they take the massive personal political risk of taking over with a real possibility of the next election turning into a train wreck in a tsunami?

    • Andrew Goff says:

      07:51am | 10/11/09

      Turnbull is an unelecetable placeholder… that’s just demographically obvious. Rudd is seeming increasingly flawed, but “on current polls” will have a majority after the next election big enough to ensure a third term as well. Not good for Australia to have any party so dominant, Labor or Liberal.

      @Joel: HTFU.

      @Dan: Polls can and do turn around. The question is: can anyone in the Liberal party demand the leadership of even their own party enough to change the climate? And would they take the massive personal political risk of taking over with a real possibility of the next election turning into a train wreck in a tsunami?

    • hoofman says:

      07:59am | 10/11/09

      Joel B1 - are you one of Howard’s ‘dinosaurs’? If not, I’m at a loss to understand why you took offence, you thick-head. And no, I don’t mind insults from blog trolls. Goes with the territory.

    • Steve says:

      08:03am | 10/11/09

      The crucial time will come post-Christmas when it will really be ascertained as to whether the OZ economy is over the worst.  If small-business has a bad Christmas period then I doubt as to whether the unemployment rate has plateaued and the number of bankruptcies could be on the rise. I suspect banks have still been lending to people beyond their capacity to repay particularly if interest rates climb by another 2.00%.  As far as comments about not everyone minding about interest rates rising, I think there’s a greater air of confidence when rates are trending lower than higher and if you’re reliant on term deposit for your nest egg, then you’ll be waiting for a while for interest rates of substance. Why Turnbull doesn’t arc up against Rudd in relation to the proposed ETS is beyond me.  Whatever policy OZ adopts is going to have SFA impact on the world particularly if China and India don’t come to the party.  If Rudd is doing this to salve his conscience, then the damage to the working families disposable income suggests that they are going to be chanting the decades of the rosary for their penance for many years, if not decades, to come. If I was Rudd, I’d be going to an election as early as possible, as some of the policies adopted will come back to bite and if the so-called recovery is short-lived and replaced by a far deeper recession, Rudd will quickly become one of the most unpopular PM’s ever elected.

    • Wayne H says:

      08:35am | 10/11/09

      Your right there Steve, I think it will be mostly down hill from here. His popularity is starting to wane as reality for most is starting to bite. I have hopes that the people are starting to see through this ETS as well. It wont make one ounce of difference to a warming planet. It will hurt this country like nothing else ever has.  I am a believer in global warming just not the solution they are forcing down our throats. 7 Billion dollars gone each and every year! It is criminal and if Wrong Wong gets this one through god help us all.
      I notice this morning the deputy leader on Sky news state “the science is in”. What a foolish line that one is! The science is never in and changes daily. Get at em Barnaby! Save Our Country!!!!!!!!

    • Anna says:

      08:44am | 10/11/09

      Interst rates aren’t even an issue with voters at the moment, there still at historic lows as we all know. Ask voters half way through next year what they think about interest rates when there’s something to talk about, and all those first home buyers the Government threw there money at and prompted to go and get a home loan are coping. I can asuure you it will be a different story.

    • Muzz says:

      09:01am | 10/11/09

      Next year I can see - DEFAULT - DEFAULT - DEFAULT

    • Luke says:

      09:18am | 10/11/09

      Polling on interest rates at the moment is stupid, they’ve never been lower, what would you expect the polls to look like regarding this? I suppose Rudd needed some good polling somewhere. It’s like polling about “did everyone enjoy their $900 handouts”.

    • Warman says:

      09:42am | 10/11/09

      Wayne H - You are right that Rudd’s ETS won’t do much for a warming planet because the reduction targets are so low. Given that, it’s unsupportable to argue that ‘it will hurt this country like nothing else has’. That’s nonsense. It’s a tiny percentage of GDP, and mostly moved around within the Australian economy. Don’t be chicken little on it.

      You’re right on another thing though - the science is never ‘in’. It keeps coming in each year on global warming - and with each year, the evidence in support of AGW increases. No new research has cast any doubt on it, there is only wilful selectivity on existing data to support the ‘sceptics’.

    • MJT says:

      09:43am | 10/11/09

      The fact that Rudd has changed his stance on asylum seekers - because it’s negatively impacted his position on the polls - shows weakness of character. Just because the majority of Australians appear to have an unsympathetic attitude towards these poor people, doesn’t mean the government should too.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      09:45am | 10/11/09

      As PM
      Strongly Disapprove   - trending up
      Disapprove   - trending up
      Approve     - trending down  
      Strongly approve   - trending up

      Over the last year the PM popularity has pretty much remained unchanged.

      Don’t think I’d run out and call an election right now even though The PM is in front. There are a few election promises that they tried to address but have struggled. If nothing is changed in the opposition then they would be returned. By a landslide? I don’t know.

      As for MT – hopeless and going backwards. If Labour do call an election then I’d suspect they’ll kick MT & JB out – they’d have nothing to loose.

      Peter – I partially agree with your comment that “For a leader who prides himself on taking the centre ground, the PM seems to, for the first time, be getting a few splinters from spending too long on the fence” – just take out the “for the first time” bit.

    • N says:

      09:57am | 10/11/09

      I just polled a hippie store in Nimbin, 100% of people said they would vote green, guess it will be a green landslide win at the next election…. Stupid polling much like those in this article.

    • Craig says:

      10:39am | 10/11/09

      Australians never learn, rudd is the best ‘used car salesman’ pm we have ever had. well enjoy the down fall.

    • pc says:

      11:36am | 10/11/09

      Hi Steve - “Why Turnbull doesn’t arc up against Rudd in relation to the proposed ETS is beyond me. “

      Turnbull, and in fact the coalition, have a policy to support the ETS. They are currently in negotiations with the government over amendments which will then appear before parliament. So Turnbull doesnt ‘arc up’ against the government because he believes in manmade global warming and he believes that an emissions trading scheme is necessary to protect australia’s economic and environmental future. So did John Howard.

      Will these negotiations result in an ets? Probably not. Many members of the coalition have already said they will not support an ets, even if the amendments are made and Penny Wong has said that fiscal pressure gives the government little room to accomodate Coalition amendments.

      How will we get an ets? Unless the government get a double dissolution trigger which first requires another vote then we will have to wait until an election next year at which time Labor will be re elected and the ETS will get passed.

      So?

      Copenhagen is already being discussed as another Kyoto or worse another Munich. Ross Gaurnaut has said that if AUstralia’s emissions trading scheme is passed through the Senate before the Copenhagen conference it would send a strong signal to the world that we are serious about climate change. It is not China and India only we have to worry about but our American ally as well.The political impasse on the consensus on global warming is a failure of our politicians but it is also our failure. I have often heard it said that the government isnt getting more popular support because it has not made targets that people can come out for. But we the public havent made an effort to pressure the government. The politicians cant do it on their own. A good start would be to watch last nights four corners. An piece with all the characters. (Yes the greens are largely absent.?)

    • Patrick says:

      12:03pm | 10/11/09

      I think all this really says is that we are a nation obsessed by polls. One opinion poll comes out and its results will set the tone of the political debate for the next 1-2 weeks.

      What did journos have to write about in the years where we didnt have opinion polls comming out every week?

      I blame the rabid blogosphere, myself included, and its insatiable need for opinion polls to come out frequently so bloggers can say “HA HA WE’RE WINNING AND UR NOT!!1!” to their opponents

    • Keith says:

      12:13pm | 10/11/09

      LOL Patrick so true.

    • pc says:

      01:22pm | 10/11/09

      Patrick, I think its an interesting point about the power of the blogosphere.

      Do you think the Newspoll was done to teach the blogosphere a lesson? If so I find it hard to imagine some will learn. The blogosphere seems to have the power to help confound action on climate change - the dissemination of hoaxes, frauds, misinformation that those fighting action on climate change depend upon, but not the power to facilitate the consensus on action that exists.

    • Buster says:

      01:26pm | 10/11/09

      It’s a blip? Really? Kevin is hoping it is, but somehow I don’t think so.

    • Steve says:

      02:05pm | 10/11/09

      pc says:12:36pm | 10/11/09

      Thankyou for your reasoned and elaborate response.

      I’m not totally opposed to an ETS but it is completely fanciful to think that Australia would be able to set the trend for the rest of the world to follow.  The cost of adopting this policy may be easily afforded by the likes of Messrs Rudd and Turnbull and the verdelho (or is it still chardonnay?) sipping left-wing nimby socialists who thrived on accusing the Howard government of wedge politics.  The working families who were so easily seduced by the Rudd mantra would be left predominantly carrying the can in the event that an ETS was passed in its current state and would be rendered useless in the event that it’s not wholly embraced by China, India and our ally, the USA.

    • pc says:

      02:16pm | 10/11/09

      Buster, its a blip. It seems timed in order to dissuade the government from contemplating a double dissolution. Sure the boats would have turned up anyway, but boats had already turned up. Why the fuss now? The fringe of the coaition would do anything,  say anything, to prevent the passage of an ets before copenhagen. They know the ets will be passed if there is a double dissolution or not.  They hope that so long as its not before copenhagen, they can then hope that no treaty, or at least no sufficiently ambitious treaty will be agreed and then can then hail it as a defeat for the government. And this is their mistake. It will not be a defeat, just another setback and not for the government but the citizens (and non) of the world, and boy are we used to them. Those most against the ets do not seem most feaful of a double dip. Thats because they will probably retain their seats. The rest of the coalition are worried though.

      I’m sorry that I dont think the political careers of the coalition (or any party for that matter) are more important than the future of the planet, and Im sorry that Paul keating thinks a double dissolution is too clever by half, but what other alternatives are there?

      (It seems to me that most of the PM’s critics think he is too clever by half anyway. So what difference does that make? Also I notice these critcs are the same people that complain Malcolm isnt clever enough.)

    • Maureen says:

      02:22pm | 10/11/09

      Rudd has dilusions of grandeur, the world will not be taking alot of notice of what Australia or Kevin are doing. Kevin just thinks they will notice him. I saw a report from the states last week, where a US crongressman anounced to the press that Australia had withdrawn its diplomat from Fiji. A reporter asked back “Australia withdrew a diplomat from Fiji? and so what” unquote. Just shows how much interest the rest of the world has in what Australia does. Kevin is kidding himself, it’s all about Kevin not Australia,

    • pc says:

      02:39pm | 10/11/09

      Maureen. Is that report a reflection on the insignificance of Australia, Fiji and New Zealand or the narrow minded ignorance of an american journalist? If you think the former then why are you bothering to tell us?

      If australia isnt prepared to act (and compared to many other nations we are far behind, though we are also ahead of others), then why should any other nation? If we are to trust each other then we must negotiate in good faith? If we are to produce an effective and transparent treaty then we must trust each other.

      Hi Steve, “I’m not totally opposed to an ETS but…sipping left-wing nimby socialists who thrived on accusing the Howard government of wedge politics.”

      In that case Steve you have nothing to worry about. Opposing the ETS is not the same as opposing your fantasy of “left-wing nimby socialists who thrived on accusing the Howard government of wedge politics.”

      What you are opposing is action on climate change. No matter what kind of acrobatic logic you try to perform this is what you are doing.

    • pc says:

      02:50pm | 10/11/09

      Sorry in my last post I forgot to say that the most vulnerable australians are compensated under the ets. But Steve youre right. Wealthy australians should bear a fair share of the burden, and so shouldnt you be arguing for a more progresseive taxation system rather than opposing the ets?

    • Gemma says:

      02:51pm | 10/11/09

      so pc, you reckon newspoll have pulled a swifty eh! trust them and the coalition to try something like this. Conspiracies, I bet Turnbull is behind it all. I thought Rudd wanted to get it through before Copenhagen so he could grandstand, but after reading your post I realise now I am wrong. Fancy newspoll using these tactics to dissuade the Government from having a double dissolution. Thanks pc for your input, it changes everything now. LOL

    • pc says:

      02:59pm | 10/11/09

      Hi Gemma, Im afraid I find it hard to LOL just because someone said LOL. I find there needs to be humour rather than the attempt at humour LOL denominates. There is no conspiracy, merely the recognition of mutual self interest between political players. These players have little interest in me or global warming and every interest in talking about anything; from boats to the green conspiracy of world domination to the outrage at kyle sandilands latest outrage - anything other than HOW TO GET ACTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE?

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      03:34pm | 10/11/09

      I’m willing to bet that the next election will be closer than anyone thinks. It depends upon a number of variables- general state of the economy, Rudd’s willingness to make tough decisions, unforeseeable events (who could have predicted 9/11 and its impact upon australian elections?), state politics etc. There are more swing voters than ever before and they are highly sensitive on inflation (petrol prices, grocery prices, interest rates) as well as matters such as work conditions, immigration (which people are underestimating the impact), quality of life etc. As always demographics in the form of the geretocracy will have a major impact. (they got their bribe in the form of a pension increase, no exit taxes for withdrawal from superannuation etc.)

    • Glen says:

      04:01pm | 10/11/09

      These polls reflect the House of Representatives (what a misnoma that is) and they all forget the Senate.  Australia have almost always had a Senate that is not friendly to the Gov’t.  This is the case now and doesn’t KRudd hate it.  It is our saviour.  Imagine if all his wacko bills had passed a friendly Senate.  We would be broke and english would be a second language.  He is doing his best to make it so but we have the Senate to thank.  Let us hope it remains always unfriendly to any gov’t.

    • pc says:

      05:11pm | 10/11/09

      Glenn,
      The senate isnt being ‘unfriendly to government’ but obstructing democratically elected governance. I dont think that lets the government off the hook though, nor does it excuse myself or my fellow citizens from our failure to overcome a minority who only understand the politics of spite.

      Shane from Melbourne is right, any election in the future will be about more than just climate change but the longer it takes us to act then the greater the likliehood that all future elections will ONLY be about climate change.

    • JESUS! says:

      05:41pm | 10/11/09

      Newscorp owns half of Newspoll; gee-wiss what a shock Newscorp lackeys again wrongly push the pro-conservative line. Thank god, they’re the media arm for the coalition and any other rightwing nutjob. You people working for Punch must feel frustrated and embarrassed at the dictates of your overloads. I almost feel dirty myself writing on your site. I hope you’re well compensated for your degrading positions you’re put in. Can you tell us what the selection criteria is like getting a job at Newcorp and how much you have to forgo your values to earn a quid. At least you can have a long hot shower when you get home followed by a visit the confessional.

    • jim fish says:

      05:58pm | 10/11/09

      PC, how is the senate obstructing democracy? You do know that senators are elected, right? Therefore it’s part of democracy.

    • Joel B1 says:

      07:09pm | 10/11/09

      Here’s my Labor style comment on this report. (I’ll be providing sane and Labor-style comments in future, thanks to hoofman for the style tips!)

      The Labor born-to-rule elite dinosaurs have no idea, their policies are formed from these polls but the ALP ghouls and buffoons

       


      ... sorry I just can’t do it.

      Can anyone tell me why the Labor supporters, despite being in power, have to name-call? Inferiority complex anyone?

    • Glen says:

      09:54pm | 10/11/09

      PC:  I’ll add to Jim Fish’s comments that it is not just the Liberal and National parties that are objecting to the Labor gov’t's bills, it is lso the Independents and the Greens.  The Liberals and Nationals do not have the numbers.  There must be something wrong wit thyem if such a wide variety of democratically elected Senators are objectingto the bills.

    • Bobby says:

      07:52am | 11/11/09

      Rudd is a COMMUNIST!
      These polls are DRIVEL!
      More spin from the master of spin!
      Call an election and see what the voters really think of him!
      His pathetic and gutless handling of illegal immigrants!
      His brainwashing of the public with his justification for more tax based on global warming science fiction!
      His censorship of critisism of his government!
      The list is too long to specify all his failures!
      He has shown the true colour of his skin - RED!

    • Bob says:

      08:00am | 11/11/09

      Chairman Rudd is the WORST PRIME MINISTER in Australia’s history!!!!!!!
      Malcom TURNCOAT is also not a viable alternative. He need to be replaced! He is a Labor stooge!

    • Buster says:

      09:13am | 11/11/09

      It’s a blip – Rudd maintains lead with interest, in himself only!

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      03:28pm | 12/11/09

      The Tamils do NOT own the Oceanic Viking, the AUSTRALIAN TAXPAYER does! The Tamils are writing cheques their bodies cannot cash! (apologies to Top Gun producers).  Get them off that ship!!

    • Andrew Goff says:

      07:00pm | 16/11/09

      Didn’t the comments in this thread steadily get crazier and crazier as they went on. You can tell from the increased number of exclaimation marks and all capitals.

    • Jack says:

      08:31pm | 30/11/09

      I am not a Christian or a bleeding heart. I did vote ALP several times but am now informal.
      Queue jumpers in my opinion,should be reaturned back to country of origin immediately. No Lawyers, no Journalists, and if they are on a refugee list should be put to the very back of the list.
      I work for a living and I don’t want my taxes spent on importing tribal people with lots of money and plenty of aggression.
      I am a culturalist, and could not give a stuff about a persons race. Will they be of use to this country is the only question.
      We could be getting the creme de la creme we breed enough idiots in this country already.

      I have now given some deluded idiot a burst of emotionally based superior morality; ain’t I a good bloke.

 

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