Much has been said and written about the wisdom of Kevin Rudd’s glistening mega-slug on the apparent evil that is tobacco.

At least this chimp has the decency to buy its own. Photo: Reuters.

As a parent, it does seem sad that a future generation of child smokers will now be priced out of the market. And while the jury might still be out on the links between smoking and illness, the Government has clearly thrown its lot in with the “it certainly appears to be quite dangerous” crowd.

I have no background in medicine so I will leave this part of the debate to others. But I do know this – I just paid $17.50 for a packet of Marlboro Reds, and no, you can’t have one of them.

If one good thing can come from this latest assault on the smoking class it’s that social smokers will finally become so uneasy about shamelessly bludging their way through the night at the pub or a party that they will either start forking out for their own fags, or stop smoking properly.

Social smokers are an irritating form of humanity, like those tele-evangelists who spend their days thundering against pleasures of the flesh, only to sneak off whenever they can to a cheap motel to engage in illicit sex acts.

The social smoker keeps a handy mental checklist of all the professional smokers in their circle of acquaintances. With a couple of drinks under their belt they feel no qualms about repeatedly hitting you up for gaspers throughout the evening. They often have no real interest in talking to you, rather they just recognise you for what you are – a real smoker – and will make just enough chitchat to get a dart and a light before sliding back to the conversation with their actual friends.

As cigarette prices have soared over the past five years, a new trend has emerged – the stranger who asks to “buy” a cigarette, which is always a false offer, as few smokers are going to be so stingy as to take the cash and will instead just roll their eyes in defeat and hand one over.

It’s bad enough being under siege from government. It’s worse that we’re under siege from almost everyone we know too.

As any decent smoker will tell you, it now quite possible to blow fifty bucks in one day on cigarettes, largely for other people. Most pack a day smokers will edge up their intake when they have a drink. The problem is, so do all the social smokers. If you get to the pub with the remains of a packet you bought that morning, you will buy another one as back-up to sate the needs of the casual faggers, then realise at the end of the night that you’ve only got a couple left and need another pack for the morning. That will be $52.50, thank you sir.

Jeremy Clarkson recently wrote a terrific column about the sheer horror committed smokers endure when they realise their full pack of 20 has quickly dwindled to 10 upon arriving at a party where the social smokers crawl out of the woodwork at the first sweet whiff of smoke.

Setting aside this evil brand of stress, it’s now becoming a cost of living issue in Australia.

For the first time, today’s little purchase has really made me stop and think about chucking it in. It’s an absurd amount of money for such a low-return vice. It would be cheaper to buy a brand new CD every second day for the rest of your life than to keep doing this.

If we can have a Quitline for people who really don’t want to smoke any more, the tobacco industry should set up a Commitline for those who clearly still do want to smoke. In fact maybe the Government should do it, as there is a real danger that economics is about to trump psychology in determining smoker behaviour. As either a matter of price or principle, those of us who pay our taxes once an hour outside on the footpath might jeopardise this revenue stream by ditching it once and for all.

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    • Fiona says:

      03:30pm | 03/05/10

      To accompany the growing disdain for social smokers, I have identified three fundamental elements of our society which will be lost forever with the smoker:

      1. The flirtatious smoker - the sly giggle and knowing nodes exchanged between stranger smokers in the doorway / courtyard / back alley of a pub, with the possible exchange of carnal knowledge or at least mobile phone numbers at the end of the night.

      2. the chivalrous smoker - the gentleman who offers his lighter while you fumble for yours in your handbag.

      3. the escapee smoker - most often used in front of parents-in-law , whereby the smoker can at least duck out for 7 minutes reprieve during dinner or other social situation.

    • Anti Major Mistake Man. says:

      04:05pm | 03/05/10

      @ Fiona, you left out the chivalrous nonsmoking gentleman, who ever on the lookout for a score, would whip out his trusty lighter for a lady, if he thought he might get lucky.

      i was never in that group because i hated the stench of stale tobacco a bit too much & could always find enough nonsmoking women, but many of my male friends & acquaintances did.

      @ Penbo, like Colgo before you, what about your friendly, local, neighbourhood, chop chop dealer? They are out their on every street corner along with all the other drug dealers.

    • AdamC says:

      04:28pm | 03/05/10

      Fiona, I miss number 3 the most having recently quit. In fact, about the only time I feel like a cigarette is when I am trapped in a boring social situation or something and remember how easy it used to be to extricate myself ...

    • Jeff from Meroo says:

      12:43am | 04/05/10

      Fiona you forgot the “I Just Quit” smoker.  What they mean is “I just quit buying smokes” but somehow that last bit fades away as they ask for your lighter too. 

      The saddest thing is that the non-smokers don’t realize how Australian culture is disappearing bit by bit.  Most haven’t been West of the Blue Mountains and wouldn’t have a clue as to how much these easy target tax grabs change things.

      Reminds me of a song by John Williamson that includes the line “there’s so much more to be understood before coming out here like Robin Hood, the Do-Gooders do more harm than good without really knowing the Isa” and it makes me wonder how those that push _their_ way of life down my throat welcome the Bible Bashers when they come knocking on a Saturday morning preaching their version of “the Word of God”.  Somehow I seriously doubt it is very welcoming.

      The Nanny State has taken our freedoms to make informed decisions regarding how we live our lives bit by bit.  Like the Nazi’s that transformed Germany from a nation in peace to a war monger bit by bit 70 years ago, I wonder if we’ll wake up from this one day and realize how very silly we were to let the Government rule every aspect of our lives.

    • bella starkey says:

      03:41pm | 03/05/10

      I stopped all forms of scabbing about a month ago.

      What started off as “can i have a cigarette” was turning into “can i have some change for a bus fare” or “can i have a drink”. No more! I said. If you would like to consume luxury items like tobacco, beer and public transport you go and find the means to pay for it.

    • MelD says:

      02:31pm | 04/05/10

      exactly right, I don’t even give to good friends, if they want one I tell them there is a machine over there or a servo down the road go get your own packet

      If someone is willing to pay me $2 for a smoke then cool

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      03:42pm | 03/05/10

      David, so spot on about the social smokers and the strangers.  Soooooo infuriating.  As for those giving you money, how useless is that at a party, when you actually run out of the smokes? Hello? You then have to consider leaving the party (if you can) to get more. Go figure.  Just as an afterthought though, I wonder what the Government will excessively tax when no-one smokes anymore?  Alcohol, takeaway food or any fast/convenience food or basically anything that we enjoy that the wowsers think is not good for us.  I think if we committed smokers had put up more of a fight we might not have reached this stage.  I don’t smoke anymore as of 2 years ago but I will never begrudge another person their enjoyment.  Smoke on!

    • Libbie says:

      03:57pm | 03/05/10

      Yes smoke on David and ensure your children attend your funeral years before they should have to.
      Bag the Government as much as you like, but this time around they’ve got it 100% right.

    • WKH says:

      07:47am | 04/05/10

      Yes Libbie, tax the smokers and they will quit, tax the resources sector and they will expand…all makes sense to me….NOT

    • Cam says:

      11:44am | 04/05/10

      @Libbie You must be champing at the bit to pay your share of the $3.5b reduction in tax revenue should the government succeed in their stated aim. They haven’t got it 100% right: the government speaks with a forked tongue.

    • Samantha says:

      01:50pm | 04/05/10

      I like to think of myself as the responsible social smoker and make sure I bring my own pack for the night although I do often forget the lighter. 

      And Libbie I hope you never eat any take away food as according to the government this is just about as evil as those dirty smokers and their nasty little habbit.  You wouldn’t want to ruin the effect of your sanctimonious little speeches by clogging up your arteries and forcing your children to attend your funeral any earlier than they have to now would you?

    • MelD says:

      03:06pm | 04/05/10

      Not to mention Libby if you drink alcohol as well, that’s bad for you in excess too

    • Matt Morris says:

      03:43pm | 03/05/10

      Bravo Penbo!

    • iansand says:

      03:44pm | 03/05/10

      I think you should stick it up Mr Rudd and quit.  That will defeat his cunning plan.  Who cares if it is the outcome he says he wants.  He’s a politician, and always says the opposite of what he means.

    • Mark says:

      09:14am | 04/05/10

      Hahahah nice one ian

    • Mick says:

      03:50pm | 03/05/10

      I don’t smoke. Hate it and fear I wouldn’t have the application to do it in this anti-smoker world and rather enjoy wearing that shirt I wore for a night at the pub again without having to wash it.
      But I completely appreciate the lot of the committed smoker. If you have a vice, it might as well be one that doesn’t really hurt anyone. And if you don’t blow smoke down the throat of a small child or light up in a lift, I don’t believe you’re hurting anyone. Smoking is up there with coffee and a few beers after work as far as its offensiveness as a vice.
      I support the anti casual smoker cause. While we’re at it let’s get rid of vege-quarians (vegetarians who eat fish - it’s still an animal you tool!)

    • Helen says:

      11:03am | 04/05/10

      [rather enjoy wearing that shirt I wore for a night at the pub again without having to wash it. ]

      Ewww.

    • wolf says:

      03:53pm | 03/05/10

      It would be hilarious to see the governments response should everyone quit tomorrow. My guess is that once the government realised how big a hole they would have in the budget they would start charging quitters with tax evasion.
      That and start taxing all hell out of junk food.

    • Peter says:

      03:53pm | 03/05/10

      People who smoke OP’s (other people’s) smokes are the worst. To me they are like beggars on the street asking for a bus fare even though they have the money….

      You gotta love Rudd’s ethics though. A surprise tax on people, he wouldn’t even give them the luxury of planning around their next pay day. A slimy act by a slimy Government…

    • Jom says:

      04:25pm | 03/05/10

      Are we gonna do anything about this slimy government?

    • Peter says:

      04:46pm | 03/05/10

      @ Jom… All we can do is vote… And I won’t be voting for this Government…

    • Hermano says:

      03:53pm | 03/05/10

      You forked out $17.50 for a pack of smokes?
      PT Barnum was right:  there really is a sucker born every minute.

    • Peter says:

      04:06pm | 03/05/10

      Right Hermano, and I bet every purchase you’ve made in your life has been a wise one….

    • AFR says:

      04:15pm | 03/05/10

      Not sure what the point of smoking is - its expensive, makes you stink, makes you look old and haggard, harms other around you, and will most likely provide you with a painful premeture death, not to mention that you are no more than a common drug addict. We all have our vices, but none are as pointless as this activity.

    • Peter says:

      04:45pm | 03/05/10

      @ AFR. I’m not for one moment suggesting smoking is good, but why pass judgement on one vice and not another? If people want a premature death, then it’s up to them. We don’t need people constantly telling us what’s good for us and then legislating away our freedoms in the process…

    • Vicki PS says:

      06:29pm | 03/05/10

      @AFR:  You’re letting your prejudice show without knowledge to back it up.  Of course, that’s exactly what people do when they swallow tobacco nazi propaganda hook, line and sinker.

      The point of smoking is that it (and these are medical facts):
      .  improves mental acuity and enhances cognitive performance
      .  reduces anxiety and can relieve some of the syptoms of depression
      .  is an intensely pleasurable activity.

      However, as you have so delicately underlined, smoking is a ferocious addiction, more difficult to kick that heroin and virtually every other commonly abused substance.

      Fortunately, from a social perspective, smokers generally acknowledge their weakness, unlike smug abstainers who presume themselves without failings and therefore unassailable.  Love to know what *your* vices are, AFR.

    • Nic says:

      07:46pm | 03/05/10

      or a junkie, just like an alcoholic or a smack addict

    • MelD says:

      03:13pm | 04/05/10

      AFR - maybe my skin didn’t get the memo on old and haggard, I have been smoking for 10 years and people keep telling me I am lying when I tell them my age, they say to me no way you what 24 right? I have to get out my drivers licence to prove that I am nearly 30, not all smokers get all the symptoms or side affects, like not all smokers will get cancer.

      jogging makes you stink also should we ban that, and indian food comes out your pores which is gross on the packed train.

    • Elphaba says:

      04:06pm | 03/05/10

      I’m with Hermano - $17.50?!  Yikes!  I agree though, for that price, you’ve got an excellent reason to tell social smokers to sod off.

      I loooove Jeremy Clarkson. smile

    • Joan says:

      04:07pm | 03/05/10

      Some people pay that or more for a bottle of wine/vodka drink it,  then get into a car and kill or maim another.

    • Nicole says:

      06:52pm | 03/05/10

      Ahhh yes Joan, but alcohol is a more socially acceptable drug than tobacco - and in Australia, a society of condoned alcoholism, no government is going to TOUCH alcohol.

    • persephone says:

      09:10pm | 03/05/10

      Nicole

      forgotten the alcopops saga already?

    • BTS says:

      04:08pm | 03/05/10

      I wouldn’t recommend smoking your CD’s.  Probably contain that same materials, but at least it’s got to be harder to light.

      As for the social smokers…what you can’t say no, you can’t have a cigarette?

    • Nicole says:

      04:19pm | 03/05/10

      So true Penbo, it drives me insane too, so I’m going to share my secret. Start rolling your own, because when these little scabs ask for a fag, watch the horror on their face when they see a pouch of tobacco. It’s hilarious. They will do one of two things, either move on or ask you to roll it. That’s when you say ‘you want to smoke, roll it yourself’. It works about 98% of the time. It’s a hell of a lot cheaper too.

    • Nicole says:

      10:03pm | 03/05/10

      PS -  Penbo and anyone else who chooses to take my advice. It’s a three paper rule. If they can’t roll them after three attempts, bad luck, no more papers. Nasty hey?

    • Meg says:

      10:12am | 04/05/10

      Even better - smoke Menthols!

    • Christian Real says:

      04:20pm | 03/05/10

      Lung diseases and cancers are the end result of smoking this addictive drug called tobbacco.
      Why should the non smoking taxpayers have to help foot the bill when these people get hospitalised and need urgent medical treatment because of them destroying their organs by smoking.
      I chose not to smoke because, it is a waste of money and it has no beneficial qualities to assist any of the body functions.
      While some people choose to smoke, other people that don’t smoke should not be subjected to smokers blowing smoke all over them or around them.

    • Zeta says:

      06:10pm | 03/05/10

      The drug is nicotine. Tobacco is a plant, and harmless until you dry it and smoke it.

      As for non smoking taxpayers, why should I have to pay for school when I hate children and have none of my own?

      And although smoking does cause cancers, it does have beneficial qualities.

      Nicotine enhances concentration and memory due to the increase of acetylcholine. It also appears to enhance alertness due to the increases of acetylcholine and norepinephrine. Arousal is increased by the increase of norepinephrine. Pain is reduced by the increases of acetylcholine and beta-endorphin. Anxiety is reduced by the increase of beta-endorphin.

      It just happens to cause cancer as well. Don’t act like it’s the end of the world.

    • Peter says:

      06:42pm | 03/05/10

      I love that line Zeta… To these misguided do gooders who actually believe they are subsidising smokers in the health system, i will tell them too that I hate their kids, but im paying for them to go to school…. That’s great.. Keep up the good work!!

      You know Zeta, if I go to hospital with cancer, the doctor will tell me it’s because of smoking. If a non-smoker goes to hospital with lung cancer the doctor will tell them it’s genetics.. Im not saying smoking is good, but the health sector even denies that smokers have genes…

    • Ally says:

      07:24pm | 03/05/10

      Zeta… just remember… that snotty nosed little kid annoying you at the cafe today may be the doctor that saves your life when you are older (thanks to your taxes)!

    • Peter says:

      09:24pm | 03/05/10

      @ Ally, seems to me like your the one doing the trolling at the moment smile

    • Dan says:

      09:37pm | 03/05/10

      Yes, Zeta, it ‘It just happens to cause cancer as well.’ However for all of its supposed benefits, its causing cancer (among other things) kind of outweighs them. It is completely absurd to talk about any benefits smoking causes as if to suggest that they are equal to the negative consequences.

      Personally, I have no sympathy for smokers. Especially, when the response is ‘I hate children and I have none of my own’, which is incredibly silly, or when people try to justify smoking from a health point of view.

    • Peter says:

      09:52am | 04/05/10

      @ Dan.. Smokers have children to you know… The point Zeta is making is you expect smokers to pay more in tax, even though they save the country a fortune as confirmed by Nick Minchin on ABC Q&A last night, but you also expect strangers to pay for your kids education.. No one is asking for your sympathy, smokers, just like you, want to be left alone to enjoy their lives. It’s bad enough they smoke, we don’t need people like KRudd to make their lives miserable…

    • MelD says:

      03:19pm | 04/05/10

      Smoking DOES NOT cause cancer and lung disease in EVERY smoker, genetics play a large part of it, it’s Russian Roulette with smoking, will I get Cancer or not, it’s like a game!

      Why should my tax dollars pay for people to be kept in nursing homes? Why should I be paying taxes to help teenage mothers or single parents who pop them out to get the benefits? why should I pay for retirement?

    • Peter says:

      03:57pm | 04/05/10

      @ MelD, if you pay attention to this forum, there are actually a lot of people here who believe they are entitled to other peoples money.. I usually get called names by them like “troll” and other things, and it’s actually them trolling around asking for money and other handouts.. Its quite funny…

    • MelD says:

      04:41pm | 04/05/10

      @ Peter, thanks for the clarification, you are correct it is funny.

    • Louisa says:

      04:52pm | 03/05/10

      Eating ear wax is probably a heath hazard as well. God knows what the man does in private!

    • A Bo says:

      07:36pm | 03/05/10

      Stares at his own reflection, I suspect.

    • Jacki says:

      05:44pm | 03/05/10

      I gave up smoking 2 weeks ago.
      I used Champix to do it.
      I got to week 3 and laid off the tablets.
      Have not smoked since, I did not get the last pack of Champix

    • MelD says:

      04:44pm | 04/05/10

      Wow! 2 weeks! milestone.  I quit for 9 months in 2005 and I am back on them again. Quitting again once I finish this packet, will see how we go

    • Bennymac says:

      05:55pm | 03/05/10

      The high cost of smokers on our health system always gets brought up when a tax increase on cigarettes is implemented, i find it hard to see how this could be the case. Smokers spend their lives paying a disproportionately high amount of tax, and often, at around retirement age, die of cancer or heart disease, the perfect scenario for the government of the day. Non smokers on the other hand spend their working life paying less tax, retire, then spend 20 years receiving the old age pension, subsidised transport, pbs medicine for age related diseases, maybe a hip replacement or a few years in a dementia ward, before dying in a hospital, on the public purse, the same as a smoker. Can we afford to support a society where everyone lives to the age of 90? Do it for your country and the next generation Australia, wash down that bucket of fried chicken with a marlboro.

    • iansand says:

      07:10pm | 03/05/10

      Altruistic suicide, albeit slow.

      I’m convinced.

      Actually, I’m not.  Everyone dies.  Smoking accelerates the process.  Any respectable epidemiologist will still say your genes are the most significant factor in age of death.  “Smoking causes….” is statistical legerdemain and we are looking at small years over a long lifetime.

      Mind you. smoking is still a foul, antisocial indulgence and anyone with an ounce of empathy would do it inside a diving bell.

    • Gavin says:

      07:25pm | 03/05/10

      I’ll go one better, Bennymac. I work and pay for private health cover, and I smoke. The expediture imposed on the public purse for my sins will be minimal to nil. Perfect.

    • MelD says:

      04:38pm | 04/05/10

      If they really wanted us to quit they would make the aids to quit cheaper then the packets, I looked at the cost of all these Quit aids and nearly fell down

    • Brodie says:

      07:11pm | 03/05/10

      I’ve been ciggie free for nearly two years now.  No extra cash in pocket though…..it;s all gone on extra booze, with my mouth now free more often. Hang overs are not as bad though.  If you;re thinking of giving up and want to have fun doing Eg smoke whilst breaking the addiction, read Alan Carrs Easy Way to Stop Smoking - It works!

    • Daniel says:

      07:23pm | 03/05/10

      The tax on the cigarettes had to be so steep because Howard was in bed with the tobacco companies as they were donating to him. Rudd is doing the right thing.He has to slug them heaps because Australia is 10 yrs behind because of Howard.

    • Julia says:

      07:33pm | 03/05/10

      I respect your right to not give me a cigarette when I am drunk and bumming them. In fact, I think the last time I bummed a cigarette was in 2006. But I can’t remember because I was drunk at the time.

    • Nic says:

      07:43pm | 03/05/10

      while the jury might still be out on the links between smoking and illness..

      David, what are you smoking?? the link has been made so clearly that you would have to be a stooge to deny it.

    • penbo says:

      08:07pm | 03/05/10

      i was wondering if anyone would take that seriously nic. it was my own little science experiment

    • Gary Cox says:

      08:37am | 04/05/10

      I know a bloke who pretty much chain smoked until he died at 95. He used to drink a fair bit of booze too.  I’m not saying the link isn’t there, but its obviously not a given that smokers die early from cancer.

    • Peter says:

      02:38pm | 04/05/10

      Gary, according to the Government you don’t have genes because you smoke… If a non-smoker gets sick, its genetics, if you get sick, its because you smoke…

    • Grant says:

      07:44pm | 03/05/10

      Huh?  what ! ?!  Really?

      “And while the jury might still be out on the links between smoking and illness”.

      Its not up for debate the links have been factually proven.  we really need a on Stewart in Australia, cause this is starting to feel like fox news.

    • Union Thug says:

      08:10pm | 03/05/10

      Thanks for not posting my comment.

      You lot have become so precious lately.

      I thought this website was about free speech, debate, different ideas, etc.

      Clearly, however, criticism of the authors is not allowed.  I don’t care.  I still think this is yet another whinge wrapped up as “commentary” or “opinion”.

      The fact is, Dave, that if you don’t like scabs, then just don’t share you ciggies.

      You great sook!  I expected better.

    • Richard Tuffin says:

      08:13pm | 03/05/10

      Penbo.  Are you saying Rudd was right???

      No seriously, are you??

    • Union Thug says:

      10:05pm | 03/05/10

      *Groan*

      You’ve become just like Piers!

      You wait until I whinge - making me a hypocrite - before you post my comments.

      Maybe I should take some of my own medicine (ie, stop whinging)? 

      Over due.

    • X Smoking Gun says:

      10:13pm | 03/05/10

      Smoking should be free.  But smokers would have to live in a commune and hopefully go up in smoke together

    • Peter says:

      10:48am | 04/05/10

      I would love that.. Smokers through their teenage years develop outstanding social skills through their lives and are actually very kind, loving and non-judgemental people.. You describe a paradise to me…

    • N says:

      11:31am | 04/05/10

      Yes Peter, all the smokers I have had the pleasure of meeting, via the ciggie of course, have been chatty, pleasant and non-judgemental. Unlike the rest of the sanctimonius twits. I did quit for two years but then resumed as I was stuck with thesanctimonius twits while everyone else was outside. My grandparents chain smoked into their 80’s and I would rather die in my 70’s - 80’s than live to be 100 surrounded by, you guessed it, sanctimonius twits!

    • Peter says:

      12:01pm | 04/05/10

      @ N, they are lovely aren’t they, and we have people picking on the for absolutely no reason.. Krudd is just a bullie boy, who still struggles to get his own way….

    • MelD says:

      04:47pm | 04/05/10

      Peter and N, I agree. i have met the best people outside smoking, when my company joined with others the only ones who got to know each other quickly were the smokers lol

    • Peter says:

      06:38pm | 04/05/10

      @ MelD, what we are seeing now from non-smokers is the jealousy they had of smokers in high school and their ability to mix well with people and socialise… This is a hate campaign Mel, it’s got nothing to do with health.. These are jealous bitter people we are talking about…

    • Beverley says:

      10:48pm | 03/05/10

      Did anyone see the discussion on QandA tonight. Don’t worry about smoking because Nick Minchim belives you are doing us a favour because “smokers save us taxes because they die young”. I am still seething at his comment particularly when he seemed to think he was funny and repeated it.

    • papachango says:

      12:32pm | 04/05/10

      that comment was of questionable taste, but he is right. Smokers should be allowed to smoke without anyone giving them crap about it, provided they accept the consequences to their health.

    • Peter says:

      01:34pm | 04/05/10

      I’m a smoker, i was not offended because it was true.. If you seeth over the truth, well so be it.. But just acknowledge that smokers have been subsidising you for many many years.. Be thankful to them..

    • Jimbo says:

      11:33pm | 03/05/10

      Like smokers or hate them you can’t go by the fact that its legal to smoke.
      The polls have shown Rudd has taken a hit, many wanted the ETS, and you can bet many of those polled were smokers. Whoever advised Rudd that smokers would not care about paying more needs to be sacked. Every week smokers go to buy cigarettes they will be reminded, that they have been singled out to pay this tax and will vote with their hip pockets.

    • facepalm says:

      12:44am | 04/05/10

      Penbo, how about you take some advice from Nancy Reagan - JUST SAY NO.

    • Mick says:

      07:34am | 04/05/10

      If smoking is such a dreadful thing, then why isn’t it banned like Marijuana or Heroin?


      Oh, sorry it’s not banned because the Government use it as a way to fill their coffers.

      And no, I don’t smoke.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:41am | 04/05/10

      Tony Abbott has not opposed the inrease in the cost of cigarettes and tobbacco, so he must condone and approve of the Prime Minister putting the price up.
      And another liberal,Senator Nick Minchen encourages smokers to keep up the habit because dying saves the health system money.
      Does the Liberal party care any more for Smokers? the answer is no, in fact they care less.

    • Mark says:

      09:27am | 04/05/10

      This is quite probably the most pathetic attempt to transpose a labor tax hike onto the opposition I have seen.

      Let me see if I can play.

      Gillard has no kids. Therfore she hates kids. Therfore she is not family friendly. Also as kids likes puppies Gillard hates puppies. Since she hates puppies she is for the extermination of all puppies.

      Thus, without a doubt Labor stands for anti family puppy killing.

      Ucwatididthar?

      Keep them posts coming Christian they provide my comic relief throughout the day.

    • papachango says:

      12:50pm | 04/05/10

      In contrast to his supposed small “l” liberal values, Malcolm Turnbull proposed a tax slug on smokers last year, so yes, the Libs have form on this too.

      Smoking is an easy tax revenue target for all governments as no-one but smokers will complain (and even then not too loudly), and the demand is relatively price-inelastic.

      Minchin put it very crudely, but he was actually expressing more real liberalism than Turbull - I thought he was the arch conservative. Basically he’s saying that if prople want to end their lives earlier by smoking, it should be their right.

      Put it another way - apparently in some valley in Ecuador they live to 120 and one of the things they do is drinking a cup of their own urine every day. That might make you live much longer, but is it really worth drinking your own p—s every day?

    • kp says:

      08:59am | 04/05/10

      When I was a young smoker, (I don’t smoke anymore, gave up very young, thank god), when one of those “scabs”  that David is talking about, came up to me and tried to bot a smoke, well guess what, I got clever and I used to have two packets.  One was full for me for the night, and the other had about 1 in it.  So that when someone came over and asked me if they could bot a smoke off me, I would show them the packet and they would feel so guilty that they would leave that one for me and go to the next poor sucker.  Worked a treat !!!!!!!!!!!  You should all try it some time, that is if you are still stupid to be smoking still, but that’s your call. grin

    • Becx says:

      09:04am | 04/05/10

      I am shamless and cheap enough to take the money when offered for smokes.  Why should I constantly have to pay for other people who are too cheap or lazy to buy their own.

    • sneakers says:

      09:14am | 04/05/10

      I had a guy hand me $3 for a cigarette the other day. Silly me, I gave $2 back claiming it was too much.

      Lesigh.

    • Give it up says:

      09:36am | 04/05/10

      It is sad to see so many trying to justify what actually is a filthy, harmful addiction.  I too was stupid enough to smoke as a young person, but wise enough to give it up when I realised what it was doing to my health, to say nothing to health and well-being of those around me.

      I saw my father spend 8 agonizing months in hospital having both legs amputated - they desperately tried to save a knee so he could have artificial limbs hence the long period. No he did not have an accident, nor diabetes, non-drinker too - smoking closes the arteries. He was 70 at the time - he lived another 11years most of it in a wheelchair, dying a horrible death of lung cancer with secondaries in the liver at 81. It took a terrible toll on my mother’s health caring for him.

      His legacy to me from his smoking, (and he was a wonderful father in every other way), a childhood plagued with nose, throat and chest problems and asthma for life. 

      So he lived to 81 - but at what cost? It is not a quick death, it is a slow, agonising death after many years of debilitating disease.

      There were many others in the wards at that time having limbs off for the same reason. Some of you smokers should take a walk through a surgical ward at your hospital.

    • stephen says:

      09:45am | 04/05/10

      First CD off the rack, Penbo, is ?

    • Mind your own biz says:

      01:51pm | 04/05/10

      I don’t need to walk down a surgical ward to tell me what smoking is doing. I don’t need to consult the photographs on my packets for a guide to the future if I continue to smoke. And I don’t need a sob story to convince me of the effects smoking will probably bring. I do want and demand peace about it, and in fact, I love the fact I have to walk outside to a smoking area away from non smokers as it provides me relief from the condescending lectures about the pitfalls from my own vice.

      It’s like me walking up to a parent in a shopping centre and expousing the virtues of tighter discipline on their offspring for the good of society - it’s just not my place.

    • MelD says:

      04:55pm | 04/05/10

      There is nothing more annoyingly sanctimonious than a reformed smoker that tries to force others to change, they are as bad as born again christians. FREE WILL people, if we want to smoke it is still LEGAL to do so.  Alcohol also makes people smell really bad and offensive but I don’t see anyone bagging them out.

      We ALL know it is bad for us, I really doubt if you went up to a smoker and told them it was bad they would look at you funny and say “wow I had no idea”

      so you quit, great. leave the rest of us alone

    • Give it up says:

      06:17pm | 04/05/10

      Sad lot you are. Suffering to keep tobacco and cigarette companies rich. My father by his doctor was warned 17 yrs before his legs were amputated “give up or end up in a wheelchair” - like you he though cigarettes were his “friend” - he found out the hard way and if you continue sadly you will too. I only tell you this because I would hate to see someone else go through what my Dad and his family had to. But - hey you know best. Your choice.

    • Thisismylife says:

      07:02pm | 04/05/10

      That’s your experience in life!! I have my own life and I am not living my life on your bad luck. My grandfather smoked from 12 years old he died at 98 from a broken nose and with his dying breath he asked for a cigarette and I lit him one!!

    • unrecognized smoker says:

      09:40am | 04/05/10

      “Social smoker” this is the person living with the smoker!!!! I should know

    • Gavin says:

      01:41pm | 04/05/10

      Solution? Don’t.

    • MelD says:

      04:58pm | 04/05/10

      If you are not smoking yourself then that is passive smoking, if you only smoke when you are out that is social smoker.

      If you don’t like it move out

    • Peter says:

      09:55am | 04/05/10

      I saw some Australian National Union guy on ABC Q&A last night. He said that even though he’s a social smoker (read, im a scumbag and I beg other people for smokes cause I don’t want to pay for them myself), said he supports this tax hike (obviously cause he doesn’t pay for his habbit)... No doubt being from the ANU, if this was Abbotts idea, it would have just been a dreadful tax targeted to a victimised group…

    • OhBugga says:

      10:51am | 04/05/10

      Abbott did suggest this weeks ago!  And the union is the AMU. he would not get his ciggies for free, but unlike us he would had prior knowledge and could have had time to stock up. Abbott came out with this idea weeks ago and he wants to target the disabled, bet Rudd goes for them next, poor buggas. Its like hes gazumping everything Abbott suggests.

    • Geoff says:

      12:17pm | 04/05/10

      David Penberthy says ” the jury might still be out on the harmful effects of smocking “
      Methinks Penberthy and the other head in the sand smockers ought go to ANY hospital and take a look what smoking causes. I’ve seen the affects first hand what smoking does and you don’t die overnight. It is a slow and painful death.
      Even the tobacco industry are admitting ( finally ) that smoking is no good for your health.

    • MelD says:

      05:00pm | 04/05/10

      But if non-smokers can die of the same illnesses and they call that “genetics” how then can it be diffinitive that smoking causes these? environment also plays a part in it and since not ALL smokers get these then you can’t say they all will

    • Peter says:

      07:37pm | 04/05/10

      @ Geoff, this might come as a big surprise to you, but smokers know smoking is not good for them. There are a lot of things that aren’t good for us. Should we introduce a “sun tan” tax, cause you could get cancer from that.. Actually that would be a great idea, tax a sun tan at $500 a month and we’ll stop people from going to the beach.. If you don’t believe that targeted taxation doesn’t restrict freedom of certain groups, then there is one right there that proves my point.. I don’t want you protecting my health Geoff, because you can only do that by taking away my freedom. I’d rather die than live in a police state…

    • papachango says:

      12:52pm | 04/05/10

      While we’re at it, what about those so-called ‘passive smokers’?

      Those tightwads can jolly well buy their own too - don’t they realise how expensive smoke is, even second hand! wink

    • Jacqui S says:

      01:29pm | 04/05/10

      Oh please, all of you sanctimonious non smokers, get a grip on yourselves.  Anybody would think that smokers are worse than kiddy fiddlers the way you lot carry on.  I smoke.  I pay tax.  I pay tax on my ciggies.  I have health insurance.  I don’t smoke inside my house, I don’t smoke around non smokers.  Why don’t we start having a tax on unhealthy food? I agree with Zeta - I can’t have children, yet constantly see my tax dollars going to baby bonus schemes, family tax schemes and welfare schemes.  Why should I have to pay for other people’s kids?  Why don’t we start having a tax on unhealthy food?  Why are my taxes going towards giving fatty boombas lapband surgery?  No one is going to pay for my eye laser surgery, and no one is going to pay for me to give up smoking if I choose to do so.  (Not that I would want to join the bunch of bullying, unhumorous bunch the non smokers seem to be).  I fully believe that if the government (any government, not just this one) truly believes that smokes are sooooo bad and terrible for us, why don’t they MAKE THEM ILLEGAL?  Oh, because they won’t get a gazillion dollars in tax from them.  Also, EVERYBODY dies.  I intend to live my life and be put in my coffin looking like I had an interesting, exciting life, with all the wrinkles and scars and awful bits to prove it.  I don’t care about smokers wrinkles, I don’t care about laugh lines and wrinkles, and I don’t care if I look OLD.  I’ll be dead, you know, like what happens to ALL OF US.  I hate to mention that you don’t get a prize for dying in pristine condition, or having lots of plastic surgery, or from stuffing your body with tofu.  You just DIE, there are no door prizes.  I am much more concerned with getting as much fun and enjoyment and contentment and happiness out of life as I can before I die, and to try to make sure that I treat all those that I love and care about as well as I can.  Just out of curiousity, what the hell are you people going to pick on (and what is the government going to put a mega tax on) after the last smokers either give up or just drop dead?????  How are you all going to cope with no one to point your holier than thou fingers at?

    • Peter says:

      02:47pm | 04/05/10

      @ Jacqui S, your 100% right.. I reckon, after my 24 years of smoking, my 22 years of working and paying tax, my 22 years of having private health insurance, my 22 years of paying various other taxes, stamp duties, rates, etc etc and the $300 I’ve claimed from medicare, i think i have more than paid my way.. I don’t have a choice about subsidising other peoples lifestyle, but they punish mine. I have to have an operation to fix my Jaw in a few weeks, because this is orthodontics, i fully expected I would pay for my braces, but thought operation would be covered by medicare.. well it’s not, and that’s another $5,000 i have to fork out. Its hardly an elective thing, its a quality of life issue that has affected my speach and my ability to eat properly… I don’t think ive whinged on this forum about getting welfare like others do, but jeez, if you add up what i’ve paid in taxes, it hasn’t even earnt me the right to an operation that will repair my speach and the way i eat…. But these sactimoneous non-smokers, think they deserve more from me…

    • Peter Jackson says:

      03:01pm | 04/05/10

      Well done on coming clean Penbo. Smokers are treated like leppars these days. Just read Clarkson’s article and can relate with a lot of that. For example when I’m with a group of new people, ie. wife’s work friends I always wait for someone else to light up first as I don’t want to be subjected to the daggers (often from fat people who are probably going to die of a heart attack long before I die of lung cancer). But you’re right you do need to stock up, when at a party I might think a pack of 20s will do me, but I’ll take two packs just to be sure I do get 20, yes it does cost you, but what the hell do you do? The alternative is to become one of them.

      I can’t believe you smoke Marlboro Reds though, that’s some pretty heavy shit.

    • Ray says:

      04:27pm | 04/05/10

      I guy asked me for a smoke the other night in the pub, I said if you buy me a Pint I will give you 2. He was happy to do so and didn’t bother me again!

    • DavidO says:

      11:29pm | 04/05/10

      People still smoke?

    • Here for a good time not a long time says:

      07:42am | 07/05/10

      Yes thats right!  They do..  And all the while they smoke, they save you and the rest of the country from having to pay billions in extra taxes.  Soon as there are no more smokers left, the government will want this money from some other source.  And believe you me, this WILL come from the NON smoker.  Governments LOVE money and they will do anything to get it from you, fairly or NOT.

    • HelĂ©na says:

      08:31pm | 05/05/10

      apparently they vote too :p @DavidO

 

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