Are you reading this piece using wi-fi? You wouldn’t be if Australian scientists had not invented technology that wirelessly connects computers, TV sets and phones across the planet.

Cumulonimbus clouds and stratocumulus extensions over New Brighton Beach. If it wasn't for science we'd still be calling that 'get the hell out of the water'.  Photo: Kathryn Lynch.

Australian science has led to the development of Relenza – the first drug successful in treating the flu -  meaning that fewer Australians suffer or die from it every year. In a typical Australian winter, around 1,500 deaths are attributed to the influenza virus.

Australian science has given us climate-ready crops. Crops that will make sure families can continue to place basic food items on the table despite changing weather patterns. Crops that give us wheat to export when other nations fall short, and that keep our balance-of-trade figures looking vaguely respectable.

Australian science feeds our economy and gives a country like Australia, with less than 0.5 per cent of the world’s population, the edge we need to compete and stand on our own two feet.

Australian science has even improved Anna Bligh’s chance of re-election in 2012. Through the tumult of January, the floods then Cyclone Yasi, Anna Bligh showed leadership.

Hour after hour, day after day she delivered accurate briefings that saved lives. Why? Because the Bureau of Meteorology, one of Australia’s esteemed scientific organisations were critical in giving her the facts and figures she needed to respond to the impending disaster.  Years of data collections and analysis of trends paid off.

The Bureau of Meteorology runs on a shoe string yet the work done by its scientists touches the lives of all Australians, every day – be it in newspapers, on radio, or on the nightly TV news. 

Another of Australia’s premier scientific organisations, the CSIRO, also runs on a shoestring.  In the 2010/11 Federal Budget they lost 129 staff members.  This situation is not new.  For years CSIRO have had to do more with less.  For weeks CSIRO scientists have been taking industrial action after failing to win a modest pay rise.  It’s about time.

Most Australians would be broadly aware of CSIRO – perhaps it is best known for its diet books, perhaps as that organisation that delivers Australian science, but few would be aware of specific innovations produced by them. It’s not widely known that it was CSIRO scientists who developed technology used in wi-fi connections installed in computers around the globe. 

Even fewer would be aware of the income this innovation delivers to the Australian economy.

It is this sort of return on investment that the Gillard Government, committed to the productivity agenda, should embrace.  Yet CSIRO scientists are forced to take industrial action to have their contribution to the economy and society duly recognised.

The Labor Government has increased funding for the science and innovation sector by 34 per cent, and we know most of that funding has gone towards research infrastructure – indisputably a worthwhile investment.

But the next challenge is to increase the size of the research workforce and provide the profession with job security - a key factor in workforce retention and essential to delivering quality research.

As the recent Excellence in Research for Australia (ERA) process demonstrated, world-leading results are in fields enjoying consistent support over the medium to long term, rather than stop/start funding.

Lack of job security is not limited to scientists in CSIRO. Too many Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies members recount their journey on what is best known at the post-doctoral treadmill – years spent jumping from grant to grant trying to gain promotion to the ever-elusive academic post that can offer a little more recognition. 

But even at more senior levels a researcher’s job is still only as secure as their next research grant. 

With more than 70 per cent of health and medical research workforce already missing out on project grants and threats to cut $400 million from the National Health and Medical Research budget come May, the future is hardy looking bright.

It’s a cruel irony that Australia – in the midst of a mining boom made possible by technology developed by scientists enabling exploration and processing of precious minerals; and in the midst of the biggest roll out of optic fibre made possible by the work of physicists – is failing to reward the women and men who make innovation and the productivity agenda possible. 

President Barrack Obama in his most recent State of the Union address mentioned science five times, innovation nine times and technology nine times.  His words were backed with substantial funding increases to American science. 

In straitened financial circumstances, the conservative PM of Britain, David Cameron, quarantined the science budget from cuts acknowledging that sectors that deliver economic growth need more, not less investment. Yet in Australia science is still treated as a cost, not an investment.

The need for Australian science to inform critical decisions about our economic and social well-being is not diminishing. 

Like the data that allowed Anna Bligh to save lives, we need world-class scientists to continue to work in Australia so informed decisions can be made about how we transition to a low carbon economy, and how we keep health expenditure in check. 

The solutions to lowering greenhouse gas emissions and the solutions to fighting cancer do not lie in the Australian Parliament, nor in high polluting industries, they lie in the minds and work of scientists across the globe. 

What the Australian Government must decide is whether it invests in those people and those solutions.  Surely it shouldn’t have to come to industrial action for logic to prevail.

Anna-Maria Arabia is the CEO of FASTS, Australia’s peak body in science and technology representing more than 68,000 scientists Australia-wide.

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    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      05:56am | 11/04/11

      Sorry Anna-Maria, the ALP and Coalition don’t “do” science. It interferes with their middle class welfare and pork barrelling…..

    • Tedd says:

      09:10am | 11/04/11

      Most of the world doesn’t ‘do’ science or rational thinking.

      Politiicans, as a collective, do it less.

    • Vaunted says:

      09:35am | 11/04/11

      I’m prepared to wager that there are more professional scientists and engineers that support the Coalition than support the scientifically illiterate Greens.

    • Joan says:

      09:55am | 11/04/11

      So right Shane…..just this morning a report on AM RN ....the withdrawal of funding to a program which assists teachers to teach science at Primary school level.  Gillard`s passion for education only extends to financially support builders of school halls.

    • Chris L says:

      12:26pm | 11/04/11

      But Vaunted… don’t you also think that universities are lefty breeding grounds? Where do these right wing scientists get their qualifications?

      PS Anna-Maria I fully agree with you and would support any government that encourages research and innovation.

    • Luce says:

      12:49pm | 11/04/11

      Aren’t the government on track to cut funding for medical research by something like 50%?? Its absolute madness! Do they not realise how important it is? Along with many other areas of research of course.

      @Chris L, yes universities are lefty breeding grounds, but that’s mainly confined to the arts and related faculties. Science students, who have on average 4 times the contact hours of an arts student, have much better things to do with their time.

    • Joan says:

      01:14pm | 11/04/11

      Chris L…the lefty-breeding grounds in Universities are fostered in the Arts, Law , Humanities faculties….the serious science, medicine,engineering student is just too busy dealing with real facts and data no time for airy fairy ideas of arties. Science, medicine, engineering have provided solutions for the world for advancement .... it is the politician that abuses that knowledge for personal advancement in the name of national interest eg Gillard giving money to Climalogists research to support Carbon Dioxide Tax

    • Chris L says:

      06:19pm | 11/04/11

      “Aren’t the government on track to cut funding for medical research by something like 50%?? Its absolute madness!”

      Something you heard on the grapevine or do you have a link Luce? If you are concerned about this being a posibility (I find the thought concerning too) you may want to add your name to the petition at researchaustralia.org

      I noticed Sophie Mirabella has nothing to say on the subject. You’d think she’d be screaming such news from the rooftops. Either it’s not true or the shadow minister for science is not doing her job.

    • acotrel says:

      06:56am | 11/04/11

      So are now scientists going to be recognised as managers just like engineers, and step up to take their rightful place alongside them? The professions are similar but the way scientists handle uncertainties is different.  Some areas are much better led by scientists.  If nuclear power ever comes to Australia, installing engineers as section leaders could ensure disaster!  The pay rates for the two professions should be the SAME! And the practice of prescribing required quals for jobs to include acceptance by their various institutes should be amortised so that jobs of the same type are open to applicants of either profession. The situation has been wrong since an arbitration decision in the mid-sixties recognised a false claim about engineers being the managers, and a 10% loading was granted.  Since then scientists have been systematically ousted from many jobs they were performing quite well!

    • Jason Todd says:

      09:00am | 11/04/11

      From your lips to god’s ear Acotrel. Those of us in the trenches wearing white coats salute you.

    • The Other Martin says:

      12:27pm | 11/04/11

      Wow are you guys for real? This type of pay rate harmony nonsense went out with the ark! The pay you get is controlled by supply/demand and the economic return you generate for your employer. If there is no economic return them perhaps you should think about redeploying yourselves to an area where there is one e.g. mining. THat way the supply of specialists in you r current area will dry up and who ever is stumping up the cash will have to increase remuneration.

    • Jason Todd says:

      12:50pm | 11/04/11

      Martin; Come on.  Way to quash my daydreams first thing on a Monday morning. I know how the world works as well as the next man, but sometimes it’s fun to play pretend.

    • Bilby says:

      02:40pm | 11/04/11

      Of course scientists and engineers treat uncertainty differently. We (engineers) actually have to apply the theories in the real world that you lot produce in the lab. If the uncertainty in a particular algorithm is not within acceptable bounds, we simply discard the algorithm. No need to worry about something that isn’t good enough yet. That’s your job wink

      Btw I also see science and engineering as symbiotic professions. Science would be pointless without engineers turning theories into action, and engineering would struggle without the support of scientists.

    • acotrel says:

      08:36am | 12/04/11

      @Bilby we live in a world where some ride on the backs of others!

    • acotrel says:

      08:45am | 12/04/11

      @Bilby
      ’ No need to worry about something that isn’t good enough yet. ‘

      That statement in itself is an indication of the difference in our thinking.  You guys seem to live in the black and white world of thirty year old kids!  The fact is that nothing is ever ‘good enough’.  Every measurement has an inbuilt error, and that applies to all those black boxes that we supply to you.  When the errors become significant the danger is that you guys still believe the readout!  Life isn’t simply about plugging numbers into formulae, sometimes you need to understand what you are doing! You can’t always go and ask a tradesman for advice!

    • Bilby says:

      10:50am | 12/04/11

      acotrel - At some point it has to be black and white. Is it good enough to be useful, or not? I agree that is where we differ. An insufficiently well developed science that is clearly distinguishable from magic is of no use to an engineer.

    • acotrel says:

      11:58am | 12/04/11

      @Bilby The reason we teach you statistics is so you can handle uncertainty, and variation.  Are you aware if the maximum permissble uncertainty of measurement which applies to measuring equipment?  It’s usually one third of the measurand. There is no black magic, either the devices meet the criteria or they don’t.  Your quality management system should cope with that?  Similarly in the materials engineering areas, prototypes must be recognised, and statistically proven, so that the risk of failure is minimised to a tolerable level.

    • Aaron says:

      12:14pm | 12/04/11

      I’d say the biggest thing for us engineers is that if we were to use an algorithm with some uncertainty (I should point out that I’m still actually a student), we’d be fired, and never allowed to work in our industry again. The point of the engineer is to take the science and apply it in the real world. That’s the biggest problem with engineering, is that we’re limited by money.

    • Jooliar says:

      12:32pm | 12/04/11

      You scientists want some funding? First deliver me a tax. ... What is that? ... Global warming? Never heard of it. ... ETS? Now your talking buddy!

    • Anne71 says:

      01:59pm | 12/04/11

      @Jason Todd: I often think that the only way a scientist could ever get real recognition and serious Government funding in this country is if he or she was to win a few Olympic gold medals first, or a couple of Grand Slams.

    • Bilby says:

      03:06pm | 12/04/11

      acotrel - “There is no black magic, either the devices meet the criteria or they don’t.” Would that not be the black and white referred to?

      For a decade or so my work was entirely centred on the uber sexy world of digital measurement systems so I do know a little something about uncertainties. Developing software and machinery for batch testing medical devices under TGA and FDA guidelines requires a certain statistical rigour and understanding wouldn’t you say? To be honest I’m not sure what we’re arguing about, but thanks for the ride wink

      Aaron - As acotrel says there is always uncertainty. As a general rule of thumb, all sensors are shit, which means that any data that we get has to be carefully dealt with so as to minimise the errors. During the R phase of R&D, most of my time was spent providing statistical evidence that my process/device produced *acceptably accurate* results. In the real world, that’s the best we can do. It’s those pesky “other” factors that aren’t in the equations we use at uni that cause all the trouble.

    • acotrel says:

      07:14pm | 12/04/11

      @Aaron Uncertainty is a fact of life, learn to deal with it before you make a mistake which destroys your professional reputation.  Every number you insert into any algorithm has an accuracy and precision associated with it. And that’s reflected in the output - ‘garbage in, garbage out’!

    • Jason Todd says:

      12:14am | 24/04/11

      Anne71 - I’d love to, but my lab coat is hard to run in.

    • ZSRenn says:

      07:13am | 11/04/11

      Perhaps if the CSIRO started delivering the Carbon Usage figures of 21 metric tonnes / capita that the government are using for the calculation of the Carbon Tax and not the 17.5 metric tonnes / capita that their research shows this government might be willing to allocate more money to them.

      It just seems crazy to me to invest so much in infrastructure but to sack the work force needed to operate said infrastructure. To have our leading scientific research unit totally ignored in the implementation of such important tax legislation.

      Is this another example of the solid economic credentials of the Gillard government or a case of if you don’t like the message shoot the messenger?

    • Super D says:

      08:10am | 11/04/11

      How can you say this government doesn’t support science.  At his 20/20 summit Kevin 07 announced that Australia’s scientists would be inventing a bionic eye.  Have you guys done that yet?  I’ve seen plenty of bionic eye news from overseas but not a peep from Australia.  There is a real risk that despite Kevin’s instructions someone else will invent it first. 

      So you did wi-fi and Relenza but I don’t need a bionic eye to see that you haven’t done much for us lately.  If you think you can just kick back on your past achievements you should have a chat to the Aussie cricket team.

    • Daniel says:

      09:21am | 11/04/11

      Bionic Vision Australia released a press release a few days ago stating what progress has been made in this area. You can access all of BVA’s press releases and other news at their website smile.

    • Giac says:

      12:35pm | 11/04/11

      Super D, are you for real?

    • ILR says:

      10:12am | 12/04/11

      Do you refer to Kevvie’s 20/20 summit where the keynote speakers were Hollywood celebrities???

    • ILR says:

      10:12am | 12/04/11

      Do you refer to Kevvie’s 20/20 summit where the keynote speakers were Hollywood celebrities???

    • Jess says:

      09:34pm | 12/04/11

      You’re funny ‘Super D’.

      Did Kevvie give the scientists a deadline?
      Do you REALLY think that something as innovative and technologically advanced as a bionic eye is only going to take a few months?

    • Fed Up Scientist says:

      09:19am | 11/04/11

      Super D…if only we had been able invent a bionic brain…there may have been hope for people like you…

    • Jason Todd says:

      01:25pm | 11/04/11

      I think SuperD may be beyond hope. If (s)he thinks that scientists sit around on their hands all day, maybe (s)he should talk to some. Just because a constant flux of game changing discoveries aren’t rolled out every day doesn’t mean there aren’t scores of people working tirelessly every day to make the world a better place a little bit at a time.

    • acotrel says:

      08:33am | 12/04/11

      @Jason Todd
      I like your style.  I didn’t think there were any of us left working in the salt mines!

    • Jason Todd says:

      10:22am | 12/04/11

      @ Acotrel. Oh, there are still some of us around subjecting ourselves to the daily grind. Though I’ve been under the flourescent lighting in the lab for so long, I’ve lost all track of what time it is outside.

    • acotrel says:

      11:23am | 12/04/11

      Jason Todd At least you are using your brains as they are intended to be used.  I kept attending night classes to age 57, it gives you versatlity which helps you escape, and apply yourself to alternative forms of employment.  I virtually retired at 57, then found myself a job as quality manager/technical writer in an engineering company.  Got them thru to ISO9000, set up their computer network.  But the best job I ever had was recently, when I supervised 12 work for the dole people, smashing concrete, and laying pavers.  You lead by example, and it was just lovely!

    • skepdad says:

      09:25am | 11/04/11

      86% of people surveyed support banning Dihydrogen Monoxide.

    • Tedd says:

      09:44am | 11/04/11

      That’s water of a ducks back to its proponents

      (especially the hydrologists)

    • Trumpster says:

      09:44am | 11/04/11

      Yes, that’s a dangerous chemical, but the risks are manageable.

    • skepdad says:

      09:45am | 11/04/11

      and… you can ignore that (or, mod, please remove).  It was meant for another post.

    • Hannah says:

      10:14am | 11/04/11

      *snigger*?
      Of course you could have used the less offensive word *snicker*, but being conservative you just had to get the last 6 letters in didn’t you.
      smugger

    • fairsfair says:

      10:47am | 11/04/11

      @hannah, WTF?

      That is the dumbest thing I have ever sighted on this website.

      snidiot.

    • NicoleG says:

      11:28am | 11/04/11

      ‘Hannah’ my arse. Lets try Badger. You dressed up in drag today?

    • Likes Joining Dots says:

      11:47am | 11/04/11

      Hannah, a sterling effort. I think you’ve pipped Sarah Bath for first place in the ‘Out There Stakes’ and a close second for trolling - but the day is still young, hang in there.

    • TimB says:

      12:32pm | 11/04/11

      Wow. I’ve seen some long bows drawn before, but that has to be the longest.

      Do us all a favour ‘Hannah’, go play in traffic.

    • Hannah says:

      01:17pm | 11/04/11

      TimB
      Your reply looks like you are denying the dog whispering you were doing.
      fairsfair and NicoleG heard the whistle and came running.

      Well done

    • MarK says:

      02:14pm | 11/04/11

      ...dog whispering…”

      ROFLMAO

      Yeh take that Tim you dog whisperer you.

      What is he charged of Hannah? Making dogs piddle on people who are not WASP’s?

      Damn dog whisperers. Hate them all. Making their dogs poop on my lawn.

      Bastards.

      brb going to erect a strawberry to derail this argument. Those strawberry arguments get annoying eh.

      Bad whisperer Tim bad.

    • TimB says:

      02:45pm | 11/04/11

      LOL MarK, “whisper”. I didn’t even realise that. Nice pickup.

      I apologize for whispering. I am contrition itself. I promise to only dog shout in future.

    • fairsfair says:

      03:52pm | 11/04/11

      oh the hilarity.

      Robert Redford eat your hear out - TimB is in town.

    • fairsfair says:

      04:01pm | 11/04/11

      hear….. oh no :(

      another comment fail by fairsfair

    • NicoleG says:

      04:42pm | 11/04/11

      Dog whisperer? Well that’s a new one. Interesting.

    • Hannah says:

      06:46pm | 11/04/11

      Caught me a couple of dog whimperers in my net it seems.

    • MarK says:

      08:01pm | 11/04/11

      “Caught me a couple of dog whimperers in my net it seems.”

      Nah.

      You post in haste and with anger and hate. Hence you make errors of the glaring kind.

      Slow down. Smile. And don’t be do hateful.

      Two things will happen.

      1. You will be happier as a person
      2. You will not a fool of yourself.

    • Bilby says:

      08:03pm | 11/04/11

      TimB is actually Cesar Millan?? Kudos to you old man!

    • Jools says:

      09:25am | 11/04/11

      maybe there needs to be a second part to this article. The government reduces funding because although we discover and develop scientific “finds”, the sales and marketing go offshore to overseas multi-nationals who then profit from them. Unless we complete the last phase here, I can’t see any point in the taxpayers of this country subsidising overseas multinationals.

    • Tubesteak says:

      09:44am | 11/04/11

      That depends on whether you see it as a purely commercial endeavour or something that needs to be done to enhance our living standard.

      We already give enough money to the lower and middle classes for absolutely no use or reason (baby bonuses, paid parental leave, family tax benefits, the dole etc) so why not give some to scientists who are actually doing something useful for us all.

    • acotrel says:

      07:32pm | 12/04/11

      @Jools Almost every scientist is subservient to the engineers in most companies.  If he invents anything , it must get past the black and white juvenile thinking, before it gets considered for commercial exploitation!

    • Harold Kinross says:

      09:45am | 11/04/11

      I thought the foundation of coalition policy was that business and market forces would solve every problem they choose to acknowledge.

    • Bob Larkin says:

      11:36am | 11/04/11

      Nothing seems to have changed regardless of which Government is in power. Liberals sneer because they connot understand why some scientists do not go for the quick dollar, which the libs do as soon as they see a potential earner, and laboor just doesnt understand the concept of science. So until scientists learn to prostrate themselves at the Church of the Holy Dollar and appoint business agents as soon as they graduate, all inventions will still go offshore. Did anyone mention IVF or Cochlear in the list, Stump jump plough, the ute. Nothing changes

    • Bruce says:

      05:34pm | 11/04/11

      It is little wonder many of our “Science” graduates end up in jobs and universities overseas. Some countries like Denmark value the sciences and pay better than we do in Australia.

    • acotrel says:

      07:26pm | 12/04/11

      @Bruce.  The main reason scientists are underpaid in Australia was the mid-sixties wage case which esconced engineers in the lead roles in every organisation.  In my Applied Chemistry course we werre taught only one subject directly associated with leadership in industry, and in later years it disappeared from the science courses. The role of scientists in Australia is always as ‘backroom boys’ propping up the engineers!  It’s obviously much different in the UK and other countries! I hope the CSIRO scientists have a win.  It’s long overdue.

    • Jacqueline says:

      12:32pm | 11/04/11

      Anna—Maria Arabia has true Labor credentials. She worked for the Rudd Government and for Kim Beasley, why wasn’t this disclosed in this article? It’s the same old faceless people pulling the strings.

    • Chris L says:

      12:54pm | 11/04/11

      If the article had been attacking the coalition specifically, then maybe that would have been relevant. As it stands the article looks pretty balanced on the political scale, so I’m not entirely sure what you’re getting at Jacqueline.

    • MarK says:

      02:09pm | 11/04/11

      Errr Jacq it is in her bio which you get to by clicking her name.

      I am a conservative. Everyone knows that. This is an opinion site. Everyone should know that.

      Putting a bio link in at the top of the page os more than enough disclosure. Much more than necessary imo.

      You are viewing this on the web. Position cursor, hold down left mouse button, highlight text/name/porn fetish, right click highlighted text, click the search google tag.

      It ain’t that hard - even if you cannot click the bio link.

    • David says:

      12:51pm | 11/04/11

      Ah yes, science. Take a look at article in today’s Advertiser. Geography is going down the gurgler in favour of subjects which are seen as making you more employable. Geography is going the way of history, humanities, non-Asian languages (and even Asian ones are taking a hit), Classics, the Arts etc. Science is the supreme ruler in the world of education. Nothing else matters.
      Is it just possible that science matters too much right now and other things do not matter enough? Kids don’t read as much as they used to because there is “too much else to do”. They don’t know the joys of picture books except in a controlled environment. They get given social issues clap-trap to read in the primary years and progress to vampires but not outstanding literature for children. They can text rubbish but they cannot write a sentence in plain English.
      Science needs the Arts and until we recognise that we can forget all the searching for the Holy Grails of Science and with it the Holy Dollar. It will be more like the Holey Dollar.

    • Steve B says:

      02:10pm | 11/04/11

      Forgetting the generalisations of the current generation for a minute, Science will always be more important than most other subjects apart from business and legal because it will always be needed. Btw Geography is a Science and very employable if you’re somewhat competent (see Mining for example).
      If your worried about your childrens or societies childrens reading and writing skills, I wouldn’t blame “science” like some 1400’s Inquisitioner, I would look instead to the social groups surrounding the children.

    • Chrissy says:

      02:17pm | 11/04/11

      My question is why Geography, History and English have been dumbed down to the extent that they are. Even when I was at primary school in the 80’s, we repeated the whole Captain Cook/First Fleet year after year - it wasn’t until high school that the syllabus. Grammar was dropped from my school as I was going through - there one year, gone the next. School days have gotten shorter, more subjects are included, and so the time necessary to give students a good grounding of these subjects in primary school, so that they can continue putting them into pricatice in high school, just doesn’t exist.

    • andre says:

      12:58pm | 11/04/11

      Climate change science is not a science it is kind of religion. In 2007 when Kev was riding to the PM job on the backs of the faithful, there was “global warming science”, now the global warming changed to “climate change science”. Climate has changed many times in history and there is no evidence for global warming .March this year was the coldest March since 1994. Religious Labor has a need for a carbon tax ,that is why “climate change science” supporting climate change tax is much more desirable.
      Taxpayer’s money should be directed to support operational science dealing with reality and producing technology we need. Religious issiues like Darwinism , Big Bang issues or “climate change science” shluld be supportet only form the pockets of believers.

    • John says:

      02:42pm | 11/04/11

      Since when are Darwinism and Big Bang issues a religious pursuit? This is complete nonsense, Andre. Both are a pursuit of where we came from and is a trait of science-the search for truth. Climate Change caused by humanity is a reality. Only the religious seem to deny this- a bevy of flat-earhers who don’t want to open their eyes and see what is happening around the globe. The statement that March was the coldes since 1994 is indicative of the stupidity that seems to dominate so many today. Taks one event and expand the results so as to deny the obvious.

    • Tedd says:

      06:50pm | 11/04/11

      Joh, the Big Bang has been a religious pursuit since the theory was advocated by a Belgian priest, physicist, and astronomer Georges Henri J.E. Lemaître, and since it was consistent with a creationist viewpoint.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaitre

    • andre says:

      10:19am | 12/04/11

      John you are truly religious man! !
      Any scientist knowing what science is, will tell you that what happened in the beginnning is beyond scope of science because It can not be tested in laboratories. The same applies to belief about evolution. A statement that birds evolved from dinosaurs or humans and chimps evolved form some legendary ancestors is a statement of religious faith,not science.

    • John says:

      01:01pm | 12/04/11

      So, Andre, evolution is a religious belief is spite of the overwhelming evidence that supports it. All you have to do is take the time and walk into a good museum for all the evidence you need. And now that the genes are able to be mapped out, the evidence is even more compelling-hardly religious faith.

    • Bob says:

      01:17pm | 13/04/11

      andre: Science is confined to what can be done in laboratories?

      Link?

    • Pete says:

      02:33pm | 11/04/11

      Your own science could do with some updating: Relenza’s a bit of a flop and of minimal/no benefit in influenza, despite the CSIRO’s scare campaign that saw it stockpiled by the government (and now thrown out as it’s out of date!)

    • Past scientist says:

      02:41pm | 11/04/11

      Thanks for the article, science (and the problems with the industry) is often ignored. People won’t study science or be in science (and I speak from experience as a past medical researcher) because you have to study for a long, long time (BSc + Hons + PhD = min. 7 years, most take 8-9) to be paid badly (your looking at 60K after the min. 7 year so of “study”, most of which is free slave labour around the clock to your lab), receive little to no funding or recognition and have no job stability (no permanent jobs in my medical research at least). Competition is high as uni’s pump out kids with science degrees but there are no jobs (as the government won’t fund it). Funding bodies are run like businesses; they are only interested in research that will develop a drug, a vaccine etc. There is no curiosity driven science anymore, which is what generates some of the most amazing discoveries by chance (think of the discovery of gravity, radiation, atoms etc - todays scientists have no time to think they are constantly writing to funding bodies all year round just to survive and have no time to do actual science!). In regards to women leaving science, it is because there is no support for women who want to have kids (like many industries). Working part time is not an option, and again, you have to work extremely hard (weekends and after hours is the norm) just to stay competitive for that one year contract every year. Its not worth it for most people. Their love of science is killed within 5 years of working in it.

    • MF says:

      04:10pm | 11/04/11

      I agree with this on some level. There’s no job security and you spend 80+ hours a week at work and most of that time is spent writing grant applications and not doing actual science.

      However, that being said…That’s really only relevant to those working in academia. Scientists are employed in industry. And while I’m dealing with postdoc burnout myself, it’s more a frustration with academia than with science in general. I probably will leave academia when my current short term contract expires. I’ve had enough of the grant agency shenanigans - the NHMRC and ARC are a joke. However I probably won’t leave science. There are options outside of the university system. And overseas.

      And the government is still scratching their heads wondering why our best and brightest are leaving and creating this brain drain? It really doesn’t take someone with a PhD to figure it out.

    • Past scientist says:

      09:45am | 12/04/11

      MF I agree with you about their being options with industry. Unfortunately those options are few and far between. I left research 2 years ago and still haven’t been able to secure anything as a scientist in industry (only assistant positions that you don’t need a degree for). Its highly competitive as all the ex-researchers flock to the good conditions. I don’t blame them. Good luck getting out of research. I know many who have tried and failed. I am giving myself another 6 months of trying then I am not sure what to do after that. I love science and want to stay in it but it is just so hard to get a good job in.

    • Amanda says:

      07:50pm | 11/04/11

      I’m all for actual Science - the objective ( or objective as humanly possible) discovery and methodological investigation of ‘stuff’.......but….. the science-for-cash-and-profit industry still needs to learn common sense and self restraint and has yet to show to the world that it has learnt that ‘just because we can - we dont necessarily have to DO’. 
      That includes everything from advanced weapons of mech and biochem warfare - courtesy of DARPA “scientists” - right down to nanotech and everyday tech such as WIFI, as even they are just ‘technologys’ we humans are beta testing for them ‘in the name of science’ without individual informed consent and without awareness of the wider consequences….and worse..with no right or ability to say NO.  When ‘science’ as an industry grows up and stops manipulating choice, skirting human rights and stops doing things that undermine these two things…I’ll be the first to start helping to fund it.

    • Bikinis On Top says:

      07:53pm | 11/04/11

      science is the opposite of religion.
      science is about rational thought ,logical reasoning, proof , evidence, testing of ideas and experimentation.

    • Bikinis On Top says:

      08:17pm | 11/04/11

      students don’t like science as its badly taught, its too hard, and it doesn’t lead to jobs.

    • Tom says:

      09:51pm | 11/04/11

      The biggest problem with science is that like everything. Any scientific opinion is available if the price is right.

      It used to be in the 90’s that you only every came to a fight armed with a lawyer ... today lawyers are passe and the new black is a pet ‘scientist”, one with the prefix Dr is good, Professor is better, Dean is excellent and if you can score yourself a Vice-Chancellor you’ve hit the minor jackpot, a whole Centre or Excellence (CoE) or Co-operative Research Centre (CRC) or the CSIRO and the jackpot is so big Packer’s shareprice suffers double digit negative growth for the quarter ...

      When it comes down to it scienist are no different from the rest of society just another group of wage slaves demanding a larger and longer slurp on the taxpayers tit ...

    • Jess says:

      08:28pm | 12/04/11

      Next time you have a headache and take some kind of pain relief for it, don’t forget to thank the ‘group of wage slaves’ that developed that pain relief for you

    • All beyond me, but appreciative says:

      11:06pm | 11/04/11

      I am constantly disheartened by the amount of trivial statistics based science studies that appear to suck away research funds from “proper science” but are very popular with politicians.  I want scientists to be boffins in white coats, dabbling in the difficult subjects the rest of us are too stupid to understand.  Having a stab at understanding big things is important, I do not want severe spectacled social scientists breaking down how many hours people watch TV while eating and the like.

    • fed up says:

      12:10am | 12/04/11

      every dollar that is wasted on paper pushing policy wonks who have taken over the public sector and entrenched their employee entitlement abuse is another child victim, another enhanced cancer, another student left behind and another scientific breakthrough developed and commercialised somewhere else.

      i think it’s time decimation was brought back. every 10th non-front line public servantt gets the sword. if we eviscerate the fat there will be more bucks in the game for things that actually matter.

      i think it’s amazing that in australia we develop so many innovative and applicable technologies: power to the achievers. but in europe they are poking little holes in the fabric of the universe.

      ah well, we’ve got beer, beaches and a leadership fed by self indulgent unions. go us.

    • Dr B S Goh says:

      06:42pm | 12/04/11

      What science do Australia need??

      The Australian Chief Scientist has recently resigned because the PM has not met with her or asked her advice on the No 1 scientific issue facing Australia namely global warming.  The former PM Rudd did not then use the Chief Scientist in a serious manner on global warming.

      Instead we see the PM, ALP and Greens being fully seduced by hocus pocus economics theory which do not pass the simplest test of system theory. The economics theory used need the assumption that the Australian economy is a standalone and isolated economy so that jobs will not move overseas if costs of power are increased.

      Furthermore the hocus pocus economics theory assumes that inovation can take place quickly so that coal power can be rapidly replaced by a blue sky imaginary renewable energy source.

      In fact to move from coal power to such an ideal green power source a quantum leap in new energy source is required and this is the guts of the hocus pocus..its a dream.

    • Sri says:

      08:55am | 13/04/11

      As a PhD physics student, I’m continually shocked by the lack of funding and encouragement by the public and public sectors towards physics research. Biology and Chemistry are the main staples of the CSIRO and private research facilities, and are certainly more highly valued and better taught in the secondary schooling system from what my younger brothers tell me. I’m afraid I’d have to emigrate to the United States, Western Europe or Asia in order to apply my craft as a physicist.

    • John Ray says:

      10:03am | 13/04/11

      Scientists would get more respect if they kept out of politics —as with the so-called global warming. 

      Tony Abbott will get in one day and what do you think he will do to the funding of the Warmists at CSIRO and BOM?

      Warmist scientists have got no brains

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    • Jamie says:

      11:59am | 03/02/12

      Australia has been in big trouble regarding the next generation of scientists for at least two decades now. Bikinis on top mentioned part of it; it’s hard, the salaries are comparatively bad, the mechanisms for promotion are shocking, there just aren’t jobs (huge oversupply and dismal salaries) and the institutions that produce many scientists (universities) have degenerated into moribund quasi-governmental scroll factories. Students used to be generally unaware of these aspects, and science was well funded, so society benefitted indirectly, but not now. Science has fallen into the “rationalisation” trap for the past 20 years and has been slowly, progressively gutted. An Australian undergraduate education in science is a joke. Attempts to put a “quality” bumper sticker on this joke via TEQSA, AUQA are illustrative of the navel-gazing-as-productivity desperation. I certainly feel for Anna-Maria, trying to sell kids a science career is a losing battle as they now know it’s a lousy profession. Living grant to grant and being beholden to yet another constantly shifting (and hugely burdonsome) quasi-political research metric, while career progression is via processes that are simply so shocking (40 page c.v’.s, panels, star chamber exercises of ego)....it speaks for itself. Good luck trying to sell that junk as a good career.

 

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