With the re-emergence of asylum seekers arriving by boat to Australia as a major issue in this country it has led to an accompanying rise in confusing politics.

Sometimes refugee boats can look quite charming in the right light

The average observer can be left lost by the bedazzling display offensive and defensive political tactics and what it all means, so The Punch has put together a users guide of boat people politics.


Tough but humane:

Nobody has quite gotten to the bottom of what this phrase, formulated by the Government to explain its policy, actually means. Scientists in Switzerland have constructed an atomic “tough but humane” collider and are currently clashing the two words up against each other at the speed of light to find the solution. So far the closest they have come to an answer is that you can leave 78 asylum seekers on a boat in the sea off Indonesia for days on end, but give them a good brand of bottled water to drink.

We’re in full control, except when Indonesia is in charge:

The question as to who is in charge of the boat and its human cargo is somewhat unclear. Kevin Rudd is yet to properly answer this question. The Government has been very keen to make it clear that it is fully across and in control of the situation at hand. That is until the Indonesian Governor says that the boat people aren’t welcome, and then it’s the Indonesians’ problem. “Indonesia has an abundance of patience when handling these matters,” Kevin Rudd told question time yesterday, well they’re going to need it.

If you’re the Opposition attack whatever you can, even if you don’t have your own policy:

This is a line that Kevin Rudd was hammering in question time this week, and he’s basically right. Initially the premise of the Opposition’s attack on the Government was that because of softer policies on asylum seekers, abolishing Temporary Protection Visas and softening aspects of mandatory detention, it had “opened the flood gates” to asylum seekers. Now they want guarantees on whether there will be women and children locked up behind bars. And they want to know when these people will be processed. There are even questions about whether the Oceanic Viking is over capacity, which begs the question as to what they do with the left over people. But despite these helpful reminders the Opposition won’t say what it would actually do, it won’t endorse TVPs or a new Pacific Solution preferring the “it’s Kevin Rudd’s problem” line. The closest one can get to a Coalition policy on this issue is that they don’t stand for what the Government does. Maybe that makes them “humane but tough”.

The Greens and Paul Howes will take the boat people:

Both the Greens and Australian Workers Union national secretary Paul Howes have been vocally making the case for accepting all boat arrivals with open arms - with Howes sticking it to his own side of politics over the last week.
Some may point to the fact that it’s all very well for the Greens and Paul Howes to advocate a first come first serve type of immigration policy given they don’t have to be responsible for it. Then again if Paul Howes and the Greens were running the country it’s likely they wouldn’t have to worry about people wanting to come here anymore.
When all else fails send in the army, or Wilson Tuckey:

Sending in the army worked to some degree during the Tampa crisis and outspoken Liberal MP Wilson Tuckey has been advocating just prying these belligerent asylum seekers from the Oceanic Viking by force. Surprisingly the look of sending in troops to force off 78 rather desperate looking men, women and children from a boat with rifles is not one that Kevin Rudd is keen to foster. Perhaps the Liberals could kill two birds with one stone by sending Wilson Tuckey aboard the Viking to lecture the asylum seekers off the boat, thus getting him out of Canberra and inventing the toughest asylum seeking policy yet: “the Tuckey Solution.”

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    • watty says:

      06:53am | 30/10/09

      Obviously you are more politically astute than most otherwise you wouldn’t be “putting pen to paper”

      The Opposition apparently had a “solution ’ which worked.

      Labor has a “solution” that doesn’t work.

      As Turnbull and Co. are not in Office it matters little what their policy is or even whether they have one or not.

      Ditto “Global Warming”

      But supposing the Opposition did have a solution…would the egotistical Rudd accept it and say he was wrong? Pig’s a*** he would.

      Your gratuitous remark about Tuckey was a fair indication of your tacking to port in your political ideology just as your failure to even mention the Hawke/Keating aNiMaLS propoganda unit earlier this week

    • Old Clive says:

      07:00am | 30/10/09

      Of course Rudd could have just gone on with the scheme that he had inherited, but as we have seen he thought that he could do better and just like everything else he has touched he has stuffed it up. The truth hurts at times but we must all face reality at times. There is always some person who is better at doing things than you. I say again where were the policies when they were in opposition and if they had been as efficient in opposition as they are in Government maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess that they say we are in now. OH the beauties of an uneducated mind.

    • Phil says:

      07:11am | 30/10/09

      Give them a choice, get off in Indonesia or set sail for Sri Lanka, Pretty easy solution really.

      Tuckey is right. But K Mart Spine Kev doesnt have a backbone, its easier to be a wimp and do nothing as its popular.

    • Murray says:

      07:35am | 30/10/09

      Kevin Rudd will be more concerned about having a dip in the polls than worrying about asylum seekers. I bet he wishes it would all just go away, especially in the lead up to his grandstanding he’s so excited about in Copenhagan. I guess his cover this time will be Indonesia’s fault not his. He always has an advisor or economist or Ken Henry or some agency that he says advised him and his Government. It’s a shame he can’t have some guts and stand up and take responsibilty for anything.

    • Nick says:

      07:59am | 30/10/09

      Why do liberal supporters keep posting their nonsense that Howard had a scheme that worked? Every statistical analysis of boat arrivals, asylum seekers or illegal immigrants shows that nothing works. Even the Telegraph recently editorialised on accepting this realisation. Stop dealing in myth, liberal posters…or is mythology the only thing you can cling to given the empty desert that is opposition policy…on anything!

    • Georgia says:

      07:59am | 30/10/09

      Everyone in the last couple of daysw as concerned about the boatload in Indonesia while another asylum seekers boatload was intercepted this morning and will go to Xmas Island. What a joke!  This is going to happen very often unless our pathetic government does something permanent to keep these unauthorised people out of our country!

    • Carol Lester says:

      08:11am | 30/10/09

      Rudd needs to stand up and take responsibility for this Austalian Customs Boat full of asylum seekers. He can’t just have them overcrowded obviously bouncing around in the ocean, while he has a stand off with Indonesia. Stand up Rudd and accept this boat and process these people. Face up to the fact your policy is failing and do something and change your policy quick before this continues and happens again and again and again! Asylum Seekers have it all over you and your policy. Time to eat humble pie and reintroduce some of Howards previous policy that worked. What your doing is becomong worse than the Pacific Solution of the previous Government. And God help you if one the children jump overboard!

    • Eric says:

      08:12am | 30/10/09

      Nick, people point out that the Howard Government’s plan worked because it actually *did* work.

      Boat people arrivals declined drastically as Howard put his policies in place. Now, as Rudd has undone those wise and humane solutions, we are being inundated with a growing flood of illegals.

      You can hide your head in the sand if you like, but the voters can see what’s happening.

    • Sherlock says:

      08:18am | 30/10/09

      Poor Nick. An ALP cheerleader in denial. Wasn’t it easy screaming about human rights when you were in opposition Nick? Unfortunately when you’re in government you can’t live in this perfect little fantasy world and you have to face the facts of reality.

      Howard put in a scheme that was damn tough but it stopped people hopping on a boat because it signalled we weren’t going to accept all and sundry with no limits.

      Rudd changed that policy and is now having to face the consequences and he’s discovering that spin doesn’t work when you’re facing the immediate problems of human desperation.

      As Watty above pointed out, it doesn’t matter what pseudo plan Turnbull comes up with. It’s not the opposition’s problems it’s Rudd’s.

      Screaming about the opposition is a standard Rudd tactic meant to divert attention away from himself. It’s a tactic that he uses almost daily because it’s a simple tactic that unfortunately our simple media falls for everytime.

    • Jenny H says:

      08:19am | 30/10/09

      Nick - you have a short memory mate, Labor just spent 11 years without a policy or a credible Leader and now they are in Government their policies are beginning to amount to ZIP. As they did for the 11 years prior to the last election. Howards policy did work, which must be hard to accept for you. For Rudd to keep saying the opposition don’t have a policy, is laughable when his own policy is a failure.

    • watty says:

      08:23am | 30/10/09

      Where have I gone wrong Nick?

      The illegal boats slowed then halted under Howard.

      The illegal boats are arriving at a regular rate under Howard..

      Hardly a myth?

    • Sandra says:

      08:44am | 30/10/09

      Attempting to put focus on the Opposition over this debacle is desperate and this time that tactic will not work. Rudd stop playing Australians as fools, YOU have caused this mess, now YOU fix it. After all it’s YOU who is the Prime Minister not Turnbull.

    • charles says:

      08:50am | 30/10/09

      To some extent I have some sympathy for Kevin Rudd in this situation (although that would never extend to actually voting for him), however he is also being hoist on a petard of his own making.

      Our main problem with these illegal migrants is that we have a weak-kneed public service in the department of immigration, supported by an equally weak institution in the UNHCR, who are too terrified/politically correct to actually classify these people as they really are, which is economic migrants seeking a better future here.

      The problem is that their motives are so clear to even the most detached observer, and the majority of the Australian public, that this has generated a repugnance for these illegal migrants as their actions runs completely at odds with what most people would regard as a fair go.

      Kevin Rudd knows they are trying to game the system, but he cannot repudiate them as he should as he has previously used this issue to his advantage when playing adversarial politics with the Howard government.  Consequently he is now caught in a mess of his own making, but he is not getting any help from the UN or the Australian public serv ice in this matter either.

    • Alex says:

      09:02am | 30/10/09

      How on earth did Howard’s policies reduce the number of boat people?  Do you honestly believe that these asylum seekers have an clue to what our border protection policies are?  Or that the thieves and criminals that put them on boats and send them here, actually care if they make it or not?

      Reality is no border protection policy is ever going to deter them coming here, so why don’t we just treat them humanely and process them.  If they aren’t genuine refugees, then they get deported, and if they are genuine refugees, that what is the issue with accepting them into our community?

    • Di says:

      09:17am | 30/10/09

      I agree with Phil,
      Solution: Tank up and set sail for Sri Lanka and leave them at the doorstep of their own country. Problem solved.

    • Kim says:

      09:20am | 30/10/09

      Wake up Alex, Howards policy did reduce the number of boat people. Don’t believe everything the Rudd Government tells you.

    • Jason says:

      09:30am | 30/10/09

      This has nothing to do with the opposition.  Whenever Rudd is faced with a problem exceeding his skills or understanding, he (and his media lobbyists like Nick) start attacking the opposition.  It’s a diversionary tactic and nothing more, designed to distract us from the total failure of Rudd’s policy.

      Kevin07 stood for election on the grounds that he could run the country and we are still waiting for some tangible action rather than rhetoric.  Time to step up Kev.

    • bob says:

      09:51am | 30/10/09

      The great saviour Chairman Rudd promised to deliver the poor confused and disillusioned left-wingers from the scourge and evil of the Howard reign into a new and enlightened compassionate socialist utopia. And after one populist apology gave them hope that blood had well and truly begun to pour freely from our theretofore razor-wire imprisoned hearts, the great saviour has since remained resolutely unapologetic about his tough (but humane..) ‘policies’ on human rights issues. Living in denial of reality and facts never felt so hollow, and it would all be hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic.

    • leonora says:

      09:55am | 30/10/09

      @Alex 10:02:  The illegals know from minute to minute what our border protection policies are (or aren’t).  There is a fifth column in Australia which sees it as their job to subvert the law by passing such information on.

      You are p***ing in the wind when you claim that “no border protection policy is ever going to deter them”.  President For Life Rudd may think he can ride two horses at once, but the fact is that the illegal opportunists who try to queue-jump the genuine refugees will only keep trying if they now have reason to think they can succeed.

    • rogerm52 says:

      10:02am | 30/10/09

      Does it really matter what the opposition proposes,they are not in government. It was ever going to be so for the Rudd mob,finally the b/s has to stop & hard decisions made, this is the time for the Jelly Back P.M to acually stand for something concrete.Can That happen ?,not a chance,it will of course be some elses fault . Rudd is just proving that history is right again, the ALP can win the occasional election but they simply can’t run the joint

    • Nick says:

      10:30am | 30/10/09

      ...Howard put in a scheme that was damn tough but it stopped people hopping on a boat because it signalled we weren’t going to accept all and sundry with no limits….

      Yeah right: check out how many of the “Pacific solution” detainees were Not granted asylum and did not end up in Australia.

      Check out the number of illegals arriving by plane after the temporary visa policy was introduced. It increased!

      My point is that faced with a world wide movement of peoples as is occurring today, governments of any persuasion are faced with a problem. There are no simple solutions so stop huffing and puffing and realise that Australia’s problems in this regard are minuscule in relation other nations.

      BTW, Charles, re ‘economic migrants seeking a better future here.’ Thank God for all of these Irish and Scots in the 1850’s onwards and the Greeks, Maltese, beautiful Balts, the Snowy workers etc etc that have made this nation. We are all ‘boat people’.

    • Luke says:

      11:26am | 30/10/09

      Hey Nick -  well if the number of illegal arrivals dropped coming by boat but increased coming by plane then obviously Howards border protection policy worked.  The issue is these people are jumping on sinking boats and risking their lives on the high seas to get here. At least Howards policy made them stop that, and get on a plane, a much more humane way to get here and no lives lost on the flight.

    • Jane says:

      11:37am | 30/10/09

      Phil: Indonesia is not a party to the 1951 Convention on Refugees or the 1967 protocol. They have no obligation to take refugees. We, however, ARE parties to these two documents. Staying (ie, living permamently) in Indonesia is not an option. Refugees who do end up there find themselves in a legal limbo as they are processed by the UN and given no aid by the Indonesian government, which, to be frank, has rather more problems than we do - they have internally displaced people of their own to deal with.

      We signed the covenant, we agreed to abide by it. Deal.

      Also, Leo, Indonesia does not have a governor. It has plenty of provinces that have governors, but there is not one for the entire country, since it’s a republic. Perhaps you mean to say the Banten Governor? Or the Indonesian President? Remind me why we decided that news websites didn’t need subeditors again?

    • Marina says:

      11:38am | 30/10/09

      Thank you Nick!!!!

      I suspect the vast majority of the posters on here are your typical all green and gold, true blue aussies, whose only insight into the rest of the world is a contiki trip through europe in their drunken teens to the sound track of INXS. Truly cultured! [note sarcasm] As u can see from the quality of thier posts.  Unfortunately opinions are like arse-holes and everybody’s got one!

      Charles - you know nothing about what these people have been through. You know nothing about the camps, and the ‘hollocaust’ transpiring in Sri Lanka right now.  They are nor merely economic migrants, they’re trying to save thier children from being kidnapped and raped and tortured at the hands of the Sri Lankan military. The world doesn’t know what’s going on on that tiny island. If only the media could report what’s happening there so you could understand that they truly face persecution - dying on that boat is a much more humane option that going back to Sri Lankan for these asylum seekers.

      Or maybe you would like to tell my friend whose neice has been in a ‘refugee camp’ in Sri Lankan because she is Tamil, but has been missing for the last six weeks. She’s 13, her father was removed from them when they went into the camps, her mother has no idea where she is .... in the camp, taken while sleeping. [my doesn’t sound too far fetched from the concentration camps hitler set up does it now] If her family were lucky enough to hop on to the Viking, you would call them economic migrants too?

    • Kate says:

      11:55am | 30/10/09

      Nick, as many have said, K Rudd is all at sea with this, he is far too busy trying to win over the young generation to develop any firm policies that will in essence save this great nation from take over from the likes of assylum seekers. Rudd it’s time you stopped Tweeting and get this country back to it’s former glory. Howard must just shake his head at the unravelling of his stance on the tough issues! Get a spine Rudd and make a few hard choices, running this country is not about opinion polls and being “mr Popular’ it’s about implementing policies that protect our current and future generations!

    • SM says:

      12:09pm | 30/10/09

      Who on earth do these people think they are?  Refusing identity checks.  Refusing to leave the boat and abide by the rules of the country who contributed to saving them when they were in distress.  If they’re genuinely fleeing Sri Lanka to escape repression etc, they’ll bloody well do as they’re told, if they want any help at all.  It’s akin to someone who has no medical insurance being rushed to a taxpayer funded public hospital by a taxpayer funded ambulance and then expecting to be able to choose which doctor will treat them. They don’t call the shots.  As was posted earlier, 2 choices - get off the boat and do as you’re told or you’re going back to Sri Lanka. 

    • Susan says:

      12:42pm | 30/10/09

      At the end of the day, we can be as tough as we like about boat people, but they come based on what is pushing them away from their home country, not what is pulling them to Australia. An interesting statistical analysis on the role of push vs pull factors can be found here:
      http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/10/19/push-vs-pull-asylum-seeker-numbers-and-statistics/

      Asylum seeker numbers in Australia have historically, and continue to, fluctuate roughly in line with what is being seen in other wealthy nations. What has changed in the last six months is not an increased ease of getting here, but an increased desperation to get away from where they were.

      The arrival of boat people has historically been associated with poverty and poor conditions overseas - that’s why in the 1980s the boat people came from Vietnam, in the early 2000s they were from Afghanistan, and now they are coming from Sri Lanka. The country of origin facts simply do not stack up against economic opportunism, these people are coming from war-ravaged and desperately bad situations.

      I don’t profess to know the answer, but I believe that the name of the game for now should be processing as fast as is possible, with a guarantee of an initial decision within, say, three months if you bring your paperwork. No guarantees without it. This would make bona fide refugees less likely to destroy their paperwork. It may even make those who aren’t easier to spot (if you give those who are genuine refugees no reason to play act, the non-genuines would in theory be the only ones acting suspiciously), and make those who are rejected less compelled to go through a myriad of appeals, because the system is transparent and the probability of overturn low. Just a thought.

    • Zeta says:

      12:43pm | 30/10/09

      To the tune of ‘I’m on a Boat’ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iUjx4_X1qA (SFW version)

      I’m on a boat Kevin Rudd, take a look at me
      People smugglin’ boat on the deep blue sea
      Settin fire to the bridge, no food in my throat,
      You can’t stop me mother****er cause I’m on a boat!

      Take a picture Stephen Smith, I’m on a boat, bitch
      We drinkin Janz Cuvee, cause we gettin so rich.
      I got yo Hansards, and your release copies,
      I know you weak on border ‘tection yeah you aint no Howard

      I got Tuckey so mad he doin flips and shit
      The AWU is throwin bitch fits,
      This ain’t no Tampa, this is real as it gets
      I’m on a boat mother****er, don’t you ever forget

      I’m on a boat and, it’s goin fast and
      I got a Special Protection Visa Applica-shan
      I’m tough and humane, just like Petro Georgio,
      If you send us home, we’ll throw kids at you! 

      F*** Indonesia, I’ll stay on a boat, mother****er
      F*** the Greens, we don’t catch planes, mother***er
      I’m on the deck readin the Oz mother****er,
      We gangsta people smugglin super heroes mother****er!

      Hey Ruddock, if you could see me now (see me now)
      Arms spread wide on the starboard bow (starboard bow)
      Gonna fly this boat to Centrelink somehow (For my dole cheque now)
      Lisa McCune. yo sea patrol, can’t stop me now!

      Yeah, never thought I’d be on a boat
      I’ve memorised your laws by rote
      Yo DIC! You’ll never board me
      Never thought I’d see the day
      When yo Visa laws would ever change
      Believe me when I say, I’m sellin tickets on ebay.

    • fehowarth says:

      12:44pm | 30/10/09

      Maybe when another boat sinks with the loss of more than 350 lives, the boats will again stop coming as they did in Howard’s day.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      12:50pm | 30/10/09

      Enough dicking around. This has been covered a million times over -  turn the boat around and push it back to whenst it came.

    • Alex says:

      12:59pm | 30/10/09

      @Susan.  Exactly.  My point.  Everyone says it was Howard’s policy that reduced numbers.  Rubbish.  Someone provide me with evidence.  I am willing to bet that the decline in people being taken to detention centres (if there even was one, rather than just a reduction in reporting so people didn’t know about it) will also line up with a decline in the conflict that the boat people were escaping.

      So tell me how can one attribute that to policy rather than a reduced desire by people to escape.

      Sorry my head isn’t in the sand, and I am neither a Howard supporter nor a Rudd support.  I vote for the best person for the job.  Learn to look at situations without political bias, or bias of any kind, it might mean you open your eyes people.

    • Tom says:

      01:48pm | 30/10/09

      Carl Palmer, you just made my week. Whenst, forsooth!!!

      Oh bugger me, WHENST!!!!  Can’t stop laughing - thank you.

    • Garry says:

      01:49pm | 30/10/09

      Question, Lets ask a basic questions, Indonesia does not want them and refuse people helped in Indonesian waters to land - are they denying asylum seekers or racist too? or are we the only people who are? This is no attack on Indonesia, far from it, my aim is to remind people Australia is not alone with a problem, bring the argument back to what are we going to do. Stop bickering and playing the Mr. Rudd or Mr. Turnbull political showboat game and tell them what we want done.

    • Badger says:

      01:49pm | 30/10/09

      What is wrong with them going to India, they look Indian to me,ore even Malasia/Indonesia.


        I could Stop the Smuglers in their tracks,just take the Smuglers,( if you can catch them) and the Skippers out side and shoot them,don’t put them up       in   the Darwin Hilton Gaol, that’s a holiday for them

    • Eric says:

      02:37pm | 30/10/09

      Badger, you have a good point.

      In fact, there is a Tamil dominated area in India, right next to Sri Lanka. Why don’t the boat people go there?

    • Nick says:

      05:01pm | 30/10/09

      Gee Luke, I didn’t realise Howard’s policy was born out of compassion: stop them risking all on leaky boats and let them all in by plane. The problem of course is that every liberal supporting poster thinks Howard stopped illlegal immigrants, when as you suggest he simply changed the method of arrival… for humanitarian reasons???? Changing the method of arrival is hardly testimony to a succesful policy to “decide who comes here…’

      Hey Badger, you will probably have more success in tracking down the smugglers if you could spell the word!

      ...What is wrong with them going to India, they look Indian to me,...

      Wow! the level of sophistication of Howard supporters never fails to amaze me. The whole problem with the Howard period is that he unleashed the likes of your attitudes and pandered to them.

      Why wouldn’t Sri Lankans want to come top Australia? Sri Lanka was a British colony as were we. Sri Lanka is a member of the Commonwealth.Sri Lankans have high levels of education, and educability as witnessd by the numbers of Sri Lankan Australians in our selective schoools. Sri Lankans speak English. Sri Lanka’s national sport is cricket.

      Couldn’t we use a few Murali’s or Jayasurya’s?

    • Glen says:

      05:46pm | 30/10/09

      The people smugglers and bat people do not have to understand the polices of Australia, all they need to know is how to manipulate the system and that they will get in.  To stop them all you have to do is stop them being successful “refugees”.  The message will quickly get around.  To do this you have to make some hard decisions.  The first is “do we allow people to queue jump”.  If we do then criticaly examine their claims and have no compunction to send back any that are not genuine refugees (i.e. economic immigrants, terrorists).  If we don’t the we send them to a camp (somewhewre secure that does no give them extra rights to use against us) and take the refugees that have been waiting for years in UNHCR camps.  In my view if you take the boat people you are cruel, misguided and hypocitical.  The “78” in Indonesia have broken every rule in the book and still they have the “misguided” on their side.  They have managed to galvanise a disgust in the people of Australia that few have before them but they do not care as long as they get onto our permanent residency welfare, bring in the families they deserted and have better life at our expense than they could have had at the 1/2 dozen countries they passed through on their way to Australia that would have given them safe haven.

    • kEiTHy says:

      06:02pm | 30/10/09

      When will the libs learn that appeals to Racism won’t work anymore as the apology split them! Rudd played the wedge from day one and you can’t win with the old rallying call!! SMART AY?!?

    • Phil says:

      07:00pm | 30/10/09

      ZETA

      Thats the best laugh ive had in ages.

      Well done.

    • Louise says:

      08:12pm | 30/10/09

      I have not read anywhere, in these comments, from someone who has lived in fear in their home country and had to leave. Leaving family and what they know to try and live in a country a country they know little about.  Mostly I have read racist comments with little thought of walking in anothers shoes. 
      Thank you Marina, Kate ,Susan and some other who have shown   some humanity toward others who have had lives that we who have grown up in safety.

    • Sam says:

      08:58pm | 30/10/09

      I can’t believe that people are claiming the opposition party policies aren’t important. So basically until next election the oposition party just has to sit back and say “we don’t agree with the Labour party”, then we can all vote for the opposition without needing to get into any of the fine print!?

      Yes, it’s Rudd who’s in a mess at the moment, but if you don’t want to know about the oppositions policies then how can you sit there and claim they’re going to do any better.

      As Susan mentioned, it’s not our leaders or policies that bring asylum seekers, it’s dependant on the state of the asylum seekers origin. We do need to be clearer on where we stand, but the failings of the UN aren’t helping. We need to make a tougher stand for the sake of asylum seekers who are going through the appropriate measures in seeking asylum in Australia. Should those who apply for asylum properly through UNHCR suffer and wait even longer because of those who seek asylum illegally?

    • Matthew says:

      07:21am | 31/10/09

      Quick SuperKev, time for another $900 for to divert the attention away.  Oh and a statement on how you want to take control of something the states are doing wrong.  SuperKev, a jack of no trades and master of none.

    • bob says:

      09:18am | 31/10/09

      Easy solution. One refugee in - one overstaying visa Pom out.
      Empty boat of refugees - then have a nice and happy welcome party - fill boat with English after doing a walk through of city pubs and driving them to the wharf front. Wave goodbye and wish them all luck. Then start Republic referendum and remove unsightly union jack from pretty looking flag. Many problems solved.

    • Tricia Plummer says:

      09:28am | 31/10/09

      Well now we hear Rudd and his Government are planning to spend millions of dollars on expanding the detention centre on Christmas Island. Unbelieveable, considering Rudd used Howards detention centre on Christmas Island as political point scoring exercise to help him win Government. Rudd stood up there on his podium before the election and kept hamering away at the Australian public that Howard had wasted millions of dollars on the Christmas Island detention Centre. Of course Australians fell for Rudds speal, desperate for a change in Government. Rudd in his arrogance refuses to reopen Baxter which is sitting in moff balls, and would rather spend millions more on expanding Christmas Island, just to save face. The big bad inhumane Howard as Rudd painted him obviously had more brains and guts to do what he knew had to be done.Rudd should apologise to Howard for all the slandering he did, just to win over the public and defame Howard. Mr Rudd for the first time as PM has to take some responsibility, he can’t blame the Previous Government or his advisors or Ken Henry or anyone else. At some stage he has to actually make decisions and WOW it looks like he really has no idea how to do that. Howards policy worked, and now Australia is beginning to see that. Building a bigger detention centre is not going to stop the flow Mr Rudd!

    • RJP says:

      07:56pm | 31/10/09

      @ Marina….“They are nor merely economic migrants, they’re trying to save thier children from being kidnapped and raped and tortured at the hands of the Sri Lankan military….”  Really???  Then why are there mostly strong young men on these boats…?  And they certainly don’t look like frightened refugees to me.  Where are their women and children…?  Back in Sri Lanka?  I wonder why these big brave loudmouths ran…?  You seem to have all the answers…enlighten us!

    • Isabel says:

      08:31am | 01/11/09

      International Maritime Law required the nearest vessel, which happened to be the Oceanic Viking, to go to the aid of the boat in distress. International Maritime Law required that the Oceanic Viking, being in Indonesian waters, take the rescued persons to Indonesia. The Australian Government has no jurisdiction over the fate of the persons on board other than to deliver them to an Indonesian port. As I understand it, the Indonesian Government was/is prepared to house these persons as they do others found within Indonesian territory. The persons refuse to leave the ship. The only person with the authority to physically remove them from the ship is the ship’s master. Okay, the ships’ master is employed by the Australian government., but the ship’s master has to comply with a higher authority which is International Maritime Law.

    • Paul Hyland says:

      10:54am | 01/11/09

      Personally, I think it looks jolly unsafe for a boat that small to carry so many people at once.  The Rudd government should put legislation in place to ensure boat safety.  This would stop so many boat people turnng up at once, and it would be easier to process smaller groups of foreigners at once.

    • RJP says:

      05:09pm | 01/11/09

      Not to mention that these “boat people” had resided in Indonesia for a number of years….and the fact it was the Indonesian’s who asked us for assistance…how about, from now on…we DON’T pick up ANY-ONE….if they CHOOSE to vandalize their boat when they see a vessel, that is THEIR problem…as for Indonesia…they KNEW these ppl were from a detention center in Indonesia…....cut all funding to this very deceitful country…they are soooo corrupt…send these Sri Lankans back to their own country…as for all the dooo-gooders who will fight for them to come here…YOU will be responsible for the carnage they will create here in Australia when they get residency and start to spread their hate against us…just as you are responsible for the letters of hate sent to our fallen diggers families by a radical f*cktard…you, the do-gooders are also responsible for comments from that radical coward thanking “Allah”  for our bush fires, etc…do you honestly believe that these radicals are going to favor YOU…?  Hahahaha…think again you fools….They only care for those who will sacrifice anything for their cause….!!!

    • Andrew Smith says:

      08:46pm | 01/11/09

      Copyright Mort Sahl, but can envisage headline, “Nuclear holocaust, more boat arrivals, house prices expected to rise” 

      I have concerns that in Australian media and politics the populace in Australia is led down these cul de sacs due to Liberal Labour wedge issues that should not exist (unless you are racist or flat earther) while more pressing issues of the day are not addressed e.g. ageing population, regional development, skills shortages, environment sustainability i.e. our massive carbon footprints and urban planning i.e. addiction to cars etc.

    • Glen Andrew says:

      10:02pm | 01/11/09

      Now we hear that they have been in Indonesia for up to 5 years.  Rudd is looking hypocritical and all the people supporting him and pleading that these 78 blackmailers are looking like gooses.  Send them back to either Indonesia or SL, under no circumstances should they be allowed into Australia, ever.

    • John says:

      02:44pm | 02/11/09

      Rudd just wants to water down the white population of Australia so that it can be dominated by the new world order elites.  People are stupid for supporting this dirty traitor.  As for those whites who want more immigrants from ANYWHERE, they seem to have no problem replacing whites with non-white immigrants.  They make me sick.  They strike me as traitorous selfish SOBs.  If these baby boomers were not so darn selfish, maybe THEY would have had more children.  But now that THEY desire benefits from the system, as they retire, the say, “To hell with future generations, and cultural strife, I want was is MINE, so bring in immigrants of any type to pay taxes so that I can get benefits.”  I would rather see the childless baby boomers DIE with no benefits, and no sorrow for them.  Good riddance to a USELESS generation of takers.

    • Katrien Pickles says:

      02:46pm | 03/11/09

      https://www.getup.org.au/files/campaigns/asylum_myths_factsheet.pdf

      read the facts for yourself and make your own mind up. Ignore the political catfight and learn the real facts about real people enduring REAL hardship and facing very real death if we don’t take on our fair share of responsibility.

      We are lucky to be born into a country where we do not feel the need to put our lives into the hands of people smugglers. Some people are not so lucky.

      This is an international problem.  Are we Australians so small-minded as to forget the majority of our ancestors also arrived by boat???? Who are we to judge asylum seekers??

      Have your own opinion, but don’t believe for a second that going back to past policies will make this situation any better. There is a reason they are PAST policies. Let’s work together to think of new, sustainable policies which take into account humanitarian and international issues. This is our future! This country’s population is going to expand regardless of immigration policies. We may as well look to how we can address a larger population (both Australian born and through Immigration) rather than squabbling like children…

 

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