Next week New Idea will feature a half-naked George Calombaris on the cover. “I want to be a role model for all the short and stocky men out there,” he says. Meanwhile, Hugh Jackman reveals all on the cover of the Australian Women’s Weekly about how to stay fabulous in your 40s.

“I’m doing it for all the insecure men out there,” he grunts between his 112th and 113th rep. “You too can look like this!” Of course, this is all happening in a parallel universe. Generally, men don’t feel the need to take off their clothes for the cover of a magazine. So why do some women?

Stick to the bare facts…

This wasn’t what the suffragettes had in mind when they fought for women’s emancipation all those years ago. Emmeline Pankhurst, speaking at the Women’s Franchise League in 1889 didn’t say: “One day, women will be able to remove their clothes in public and be judged on how hard they work out at the gym. What a glorious day that will be!” Let’s start with Deborah Hutton’s cover shot.

The TV personality is blessed with natural beauty: A glorious mane of hair, symmetrical features and an athletic frame. Her attributes are enhanced by a personal trainer and a bevy of beauticians _ all at the fingertips of a woman with the means to afford them.

She wrote that she did the photo shoot: “Because lack of body confidence is such a big issue for so many women.”

There’s no doubt Hutton is a smart, charming and savvy woman. I called her while on air at 2UE last week and asked: ``Most 50-year-old women don’t have the money or time to look as good as you do. This photo doesn’t depict a middle-aged body. Can you see how this might make women feel inadequate?’‘

“I don’t understand why women would feel like that,” she replied. “I work hard at looking this good.”

I thought that was my point. In the words of Erica Jong, women are their own worst enemies. As the deputy editor of the Australian Women’s Weekly, Bryce Corbett wrote in his column: “I think we (men) are less inclined to feel that one man’s attractiveness is somehow a slight against the rest of us. The sight of Brad Pitt’s abs don’t send me into paroxysms of self-loathing”.

The same week, New Idea published a cover shot of Julie Goodwin in her swimmers. I think it’s tremendous she did the shoot, “for all the little teapots out there - short and stout. We should all be comfortable in our own skin”.

Most middle-aged women are shaped more like an apple, pear or hourglass than the stick figures we see in magazines. And yet, once again, our worst enemies come out of the woodwork.

Goodwin was criticised by social commentators for allegedly pretending it’s fine to be overweight.

“It fascinates me that my health can be commented on by someone who has absolutely no medical data on me,” she wrote in her blog. “Not my blood pressure, my fitness, physical strength, activity levels or genetic predispositions.”

While I applaud the MasterChef winner for challenging the “cookie-cutter mentality that thinner = healthier” I think it feeds into the judgment of women based on looks alone. Goodwin is a great cook, loving mother and popular performer. But now the media will routinely reprint the body shot, stripping her of any complexity of character.

Hutton has a rare gift of reaching through the camera to the audience sitting on the lounge at home. But instead she’ll be remembered for her “t and a” rather than talent - and the hydra of criticism that reared its ugly heads.

“When is the persecution of women by women going to end?” asked one blogger. ``Some of us are fat, some of us are thin. “So f*#king what?”

Perhaps more worryingly are the opportunities lost. Instead of arguing over whether one should strip off for women’s magazines or commenting on each other’s bodies, we should use our time more productively.

It could be spent reading a good book, playing with the kids, painting a beautiful picture or building a career. Women are still struggling to reach the upper echelons of the business world. Do we really want to be seen as decorations?

Occasionally I read the news on TV. But I work hard to improve my skills rather than my appearance. Whenever I’m tempted to spend an extra half hour at the gym or beauty salon, I glance down at the poem taped to my desk. Here it is, paraphrased.

“To laugh often and much; To win the respect of intelligent people; To leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or a redeemed social condition; This is to have succeeded”.

You won’t find wise words like that in a glossy women’s magazine.

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    • Tubesteak says:

      06:22am | 11/01/12

      Women are measured by their looks. For most of them it’s all they have to offer. Women like Hutton used it to get their foot in the door. Not much point lamenting that once their looks have faded

      Men are measured by their wealth and status and personality and perceived value from other women and social gravitas and hair and abs and shoulders and biceps and quads and calves and a thousand other things.

      The difference is men don’t feel the need to drag other men down to mediocrity in order to feel better about themselves. We don’t need to have fat appreciation clubs and statements about feeling better about ourselves if we don’t look like Hugh Jackman

      Men don’t need to see a photo spread of George Costanza under the headline “short fat bald poor and proud”. Men accept their status in society and either choose to elevate it by doing what’s necessary (hit the gym and climb the corporate ladder) or not bothering and settle for what they are and be content with that

      Maybe it’s time women grew up and did the same instead of trying to lower everyone else’s standards

    • Iggy says:

      07:55am | 11/01/12

      Looks is never all anyone has to offer, I think this comment says more about your own shallowness.

    • Fiona says:

      08:01am | 11/01/12

      Thanks for the one dimensional assessment of women. I think you’ll find that some men think like you and others value us for our sense of humour, cooking, ability to have an intelligent conversation,  mothering, nurturing etc.
      There’s plenty of self conscious men out there, picture the short man, the balding man (why else would we have the Ashley martin clinics?) and there’s the fact that anorexia etc is rising amongst the male population too.

    • Roscoe says:

      08:04am | 11/01/12

      Agreed. We get judged on our looks and everything else- a good looking woman only needs her looks to get her through life quite comfortably, riding on the coat tails of the man who supports her.
      I know so many attractive women who have cruised through life on their ability to smile sweetly when required - try doing that as a man, good looking or otherwise! We WORK to get what we want in life - like Tubesteak says, try accepting it is what it is, it has been for centuries- and lift your game instead of dragging med down to your level.

    • Yuri says:

      08:08am | 11/01/12

      @Tubesteak

      You raise an interesting point: Historically women have had only one means of competing for attention i.e. their looks. Men have the options of looks, career, money, personality, sporting prowess etc. Women thus have to resort to bringing down other women to get ahead, whereas men just have to choose a different field to compete in.

      Obviously these are just some generalised musings from me; it could simply be that men don’t care and are able to accept how they are.

    • Tim says:

      08:08am | 11/01/12

      Iggy,
      attractive women are taught that they can get exactly what they want by using their looks from an early age.
      Thus they usually don’t have to develop other attributes such as personality, work ethic or accountability.

      It’s not suprising that some people think that looks is all they have to offer, because it’s all they ever display.

    • Jade. says:

      08:21am | 11/01/12

      Don’t feed the troll. Tubesteak just wants a bunch of angry women to respond to him, it turns him on.

    • Erick says:

      09:04am | 11/01/12

      I think I’ll just leave this here.

      *ducks*

    • bec says:

      09:22am | 11/01/12

      No, dudes never fight or criticise other dudes about anything.

    • Mike says:

      09:26am | 11/01/12

      This particular statement: “The difference is men don’t feel the need to drag other men down to mediocrity in order to feel better about themselves” was observed during physcholgical studies in children as young as 3 years old.

      When groups of little girls were given one toy, it was observed that if any one girl got sole possession of the toy, it was instinctive for the other girls to start to cold shoulder and ignore that girl, until she became upset and gave up the toy. This behaviour was not replicated in groups of little boys, they tended to try and snatch the toy away periodically, but otherwise just continue to play with each other.

      Physiologists concluded that females tend to use their communicative and social networks to actively destroy perceived competition amongst their fellow females. This behaviour manifests itself in older females when you find yourself actively gossiping, degrading and isolating a certain female in order to achieve whatever purpose.

      Interesting how young this behaviour presents itself huh?

    • Tom says:

      09:37am | 11/01/12

      Jade and Iggy, Tubesteak is echoing the author’s original post. Why not gather around at a point of agreement? Tracey Spicer’s articles are always insightful.

      Let’s celebrate that, for some, their contribution and leadership can extend beyond sexual attractiveness or hating the opposite gender.

    • Jane says:

      09:42am | 11/01/12

      No one needs to see a photo spread of George Costanza or George Calombaris.

    • Jade says:

      09:57am | 11/01/12

      @ Iggy… beauty & the Geek… enough said!

    • Mark says:

      09:58am | 11/01/12

      others value us for our sense of humour, cooking, ability to have an intelligent conversation,
      HaHaHaHaHaHa good joke

      @Mike, that sounds like an interesting study, do you have any links to the source?

      I really cannot understand why the media continues to drive this gender wedge between us.. We are different to each other in many, many ways but at the end of the day, we all have a different combination of the same personality traits. It’s the combination and degree of extreme’s that make us feel a need to identify with a powerful collective.
      Do you think debates about gender issues evoke such a strong reaction from an androgynous being or someone who has had sex transformation surgery? I rekon they might give a good perspective on the matter, seeing both sides of the coin.

    • Yagmur says:

      10:03am | 11/01/12

      @Jade, you hit the nail on the head.

    • Miles says:

      10:07am | 11/01/12

      As generalised & stereotyped as it may be, Tubesteak does have a point.  All you righteous people disagree may not like it, but take a long, hard look at society today and you will see his words reflected everywhere…  I’m not saying I like it, but ideaology and reality are different things.

    • Fred says:

      10:13am | 11/01/12

      I’ve known a tonne of effeminate and lowlife so called men who put others down in order to build themselves up. Actually, a tonne is 1000 kilograms. So make that 10-20 tonnes.

    • Mark says:

      10:16am | 11/01/12

      Oh blah, blah, blah. The people who are in control of the editorial of these magazines are women. You are your own worst enemies. These same arguments have been made almost weekly for the last couple of decades and women still see the need to exploit other women.

      As for Julie Goodwin, she, and only she, made the decision to appear in a swimsuit on a magazine cover. She is, actually, carrying excess weight. No one needs in depth medical records to know this. This doesn’t make her a bad person, mother, or chef, it means ... she is carrying excess weight like a lot of people, but unlike most people, she decided to appear in a national magazine in her swimsuit. So don’t bitch and moan when people comment Julie, you knew it was coming and counted on it.

      Just one last comment. Here is another article from someone proporting to care about women’s rights while yet again staying in the safe territory of what has been written before. Last year a young Australian woman was raped while working in a resort in the UEA, and after reporting it to police, was jailed for more than six months because she had sex outside of marriage in a Muslim law country. Her basic human rights were stomped and spat on. Let me repeat that she was RAPED. There was not one single mention of this from Tracey Spicer or Tory “can I make racist or anti-Christian comments to get my click rate up?” Shepperd who prefer to get angry over magazine covers (actually, there was not one mention of this travesty from any female columnist). Maybe the two of you could delve into some real journalism now and again because crap like this article is actually what is demeaning to women.

    • Sonja says:

      10:34am | 11/01/12

      As a gender studies student women are under pressure all the time to look and feel good….how about the blokes?? Does it matter anymore….do we need Deborah Hutton to speak up for the masses personally I am tired of it all!! I think we need to look at our values and enhance that no one is the same….even if there is the ‘white elephant’ in the room and we are all intelligent and beautiful…being naked on the cover of the womens weekley brings a whole new dimension to a magazine who’s demographic is that of housewifes!  Is the weekly going for a new saucy image and creating a new demographic for its readers????

    • Sigmoid says:

      10:37am | 11/01/12

      Men accept their status in life? What utter crap. Men compete with each other in just about every field you’ve mentioned and they’ll proudly mouth off about the last time they ‘smashed someone’ to win. Some will even resort to violence or complete underhanded bastardry in the office, pub, sporting activity, car or gun club 7 gym to go ‘one up’.

      George probably has had a penis extension anyway.

    • Karen says:

      11:14am | 11/01/12

      In response to Mark 11.16 am:  You are absolutely right about your final comment.  Of course neither Tory nor Tracey wrote about this travesty of human rights - it would be too “culturally sensitive”.  Telling it like it is isn’t part of left-wing philosophy.  Thank you for raising this point in the context of this article - it is a very valid one.  For what it’s worth I think Deborah Hutton is amazing and should be very proud to be the successful person she is and to look like that at age 50.  She is someone to admire and is an inspiration, and every bit a “real woman” as any other woman out there.  Sure, she may have more time and assistance to work on her naturally good looks, but you know what, good for her!

    • Markus says:

      11:25am | 11/01/12

      @Sigmoid, that is exactly what Tubesteak said.
      Men compete against each other with what they have, and if they don’t have what it takes to compete, they either go out and get it or exit the game.

      They don’t whinge that the government, the media, advertisers, society etc etc should change the rules to better suit their personal strengths.

    • Mr Unnattractive says:

      01:01pm | 11/01/12

      Agreed Tubesteak, as a man who has horrendous luck with the ladies I must say that there comes a time where everybody just have to accept their personal shortcomings instead of trying to sugarcoat it with affirmations like “Big is Beautiful” and “I am a strong and beautiful __ and need nobody by my side”.

      I am a firm believer in the ladder theory, and I know my place. I am plain looking, not the least bit charming (I can’t flirt even if my life depends on it), and lead a very normal and boring life…. Of course that doesn’t mean I just give up and let the world step on me. I’m blessed with a house, nice car and a good job (now in my mid 20’s). Am I actively seeking for a partner? No. I have pretty much given up on finding that one person who will be attracted to me in ways I find meaningful. Does this mean I have given up on life’s pursuit? No, I am now trying my best to increase my wealth even further so I can pamper myself as I get older. It’s definitely not my ideal life scenario (I would definitely prefer to have a partner to enjoy it with), but hey, I play with the cards I am dealt with the best I can.

      So yeah ladies, don’t pretend or lie to yourself about what you aren’t. Just be grateful for what you have and work with it. Definitely don’t put others down so that you can make yourselves feel better; it’s a vicious cycle.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      02:24pm | 11/01/12

      Erick - “The best way to never score with a woman is to show too much interest in her.” gold. The funniest things are always the true ones.

      You’ve given me an entertaining distraction from my work today, and for that I thank you.

    • Matt says:

      04:51pm | 11/01/12

      >2012
      >putting ketchup in the fridge

      I seriously hope you guys don’t do this

    • amy says:

      06:03pm | 11/01/12

      I really wish some people would just pull their heads out of their ass and get some perspective

      ie: you cant make sweeping statments to account for an entire group (51% of the popluation in this case) and ones personal experience does not count for statistics and facts

    • Jordan says:

      09:31am | 14/01/12

      Women might be judged by their looks in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney and in the Entertainment Media - but in the real world - where the other 6,912,357, 989 people on the planet reside - a woman’s looks is of little relevance.

    • Jess says:

      06:44am | 11/01/12

      I agree. Saying to women that we’re beautiful in all shapes and sizes still places emphasis on our looks, as opposed to our skills, intellect, creativity, and actions. This is what’s wrong with the recent Dove campaign and the adoration of women like Deborah Hutton and Helen Mirren for example. The focus is still primarily on looks rather than talent, intelligence etc.

      Why is there such a strong focus on beauty above all else? What if a woman is drop dead ‘ugly’ according to this arbitrary standard that’s been set? So what? I think of women like Patti Smith. Sloppy , non-descript clothing, doesn’t wear make-up or heels, grey streaks in her unstyled hair and she’s one of the most creative, intelligent, dynamic and interesting women on the planet. *That* is beauty in my book.

    • Audra Blue says:

      11:37am | 11/01/12

      Declining civilisations always place a high emphasis on looks, beauty and the superficial.

    • Homo Sapien says:

      02:29pm | 11/01/12

      Beauty is not arbitrary, it is comination of characteristics that indicate to prospective (wannabe) mates that the person is healthy and worth mating with

    • Jess says:

      06:45am | 11/01/12

      I agree. Saying to women that we’re beautiful in all shapes and sizes still places emphasis on our looks, as opposed to our skills, intellect, creativity, and actions. This is what’s wrong with the recent Dove campaign and the adoration of women like Deborah Hutton and Helen Mirren for example. The focus is still primarily on looks rather than talent, intelligence etc.

      Why is there such a strong focus on beauty above all else? What if a woman is drop dead ‘ugly’ according to this arbitrary standard that’s been set? So what? I think of women like Patti Smith. Sloppy , non-descript clothing, doesn’t wear make-up or heels, grey streaks in her unstyled hair and she’s one of the most creative, intelligent, dynamic and interesting women on the planet. *That* is beauty in my book.

    • Kika says:

      09:37am | 11/01/12

      It’s always been that way. We’re still a long way off from judging each other based on our skills rather than our personal grooming and upkeep standards.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      10:09am | 11/01/12

      What about drop dead dumb, uncreative, skilless women? You are still judging.
      But its after all a matter of taste said the monkey as he devoured the soap.
      I’ve heard blokes (and not Just Kevin Wilson) extoll the virtues in beauty and character of women I would not go near with my Tony Abbott’s dick.
      And of course it depends on age - as a teenager no girl is more beautiful than the one the puts out ...

    • Dogbolter says:

      10:19am | 11/01/12

      I’m drop-dead ugly. I have a face like a run-over rubbish bin, and a body to match. However, I worked as a jillerooo on my parent’s station, then got a degree in information technology and now work as a web designer with my own business. I’m also a volunteer firefighter. I sometimes feel upset that we are judged on looks and not on merit. I’ve worked with women and found them to be catty, vicious and bitchy simply because I know how to turn a computer on and they don’t. I can’t understand it because working with computers is not hard, then I feel sorry for them. Yeah, I may never ‘get my man’ or have kids (hate them, don’t want them) but I have my own house, my own business and all the tech toys I want. I have to stand up with the guys here and state that most women are bitchy, catty and judge people purely by looks. They bitch and moan about not having money, being held back by the glass ceiling, anything except the fact that they themselves are the reason for their own failures. All I did was work out what I loved and went for it. I fought all the way, but I consider it more than worthwhile.

    • Dogbolter says:

      10:20am | 11/01/12

      I’m drop-dead ugly. I have a face like a run-over rubbish bin, and a body to match. However, I worked as a jillerooo on my parent’s station, then got a degree in information technology and now work as a web designer with my own business. I’m also a volunteer firefighter. I sometimes feel upset that we are judged on looks and not on merit. I’ve worked with women and found them to be catty, vicious and bitchy simply because I know how to turn a computer on and they don’t. I can’t understand it because working with computers is not hard, then I feel sorry for them. Yeah, I may never ‘get my man’ or have kids (hate them, don’t want them) but I have my own house, my own business and all the tech toys I want. I have to stand up with the guys here and state that most women are bitchy, catty and judge people purely by looks. They bitch and moan about not having money, being held back by the glass ceiling, anything except the fact that they themselves are the reason for their own failures. All I did was work out what I loved and went for it. I fought all the way, but I consider it more than worthwhile.

    • Cookie Monster says:

      10:39am | 11/01/12

      Dogbolter says:11:19am | 11/01/12

      In you description it’s not just the women basing their judgements on your looks its the men as well - two sides of the same coin.

      I also have plenty of male friends who bitch and moan about not having money, and bitch and moan because they didn’t get promotions - the genders so alike in some areas -

    • Leah says:

      04:50pm | 11/01/12

      Wow, Dogbolter. Yeah, I can see how non-bitchy you are compared to those other women who “can’t turn on a computer” or are “held back” by glass ceilings. Not.

      You’re right that most women are bitchy and catty… including you. While they’re busy judging you on your looks, you’re busy judging them on their career, intelligence, and/or life decisions.

    • Catatonic says:

      08:48am | 12/01/12

      Well, Dogbolter, seeing that you’re obviously a troll, I’m gonna troll right back at you:
      The only reason why you achieved any kind of success is because you were mistaken for a man.
      Cheers!

    • BJ says:

      06:54am | 11/01/12

      No-one can make you feel inferior without your permission. If you are fat, say you are fat, without getting all defensive. Women wil be equal to men when fat chicks have nicknames like tubby, gut and chubs.

    • Mahhrat says:

      07:31am | 11/01/12

      TAF TUG was my dad’s.  I’m mud guts.

    • Em says:

      08:13am | 11/01/12

      Oh come on, why does it all come down to the fat chicks?  Grow up and start acting your age instead of your shoe size.

      Men will be equal to women when gits like you allow us to show our true qualities rather than just our B/W/H measurements or the symmetry of our faces.

      ANYONE can be made to feel like shit if they are subjected to the abuse long enough.

    • Markus says:

      09:05am | 11/01/12

      @Em, you already have the ability and the right to show all of those qualities.
      What you don’t have the right to do, however, is to determine or prioritise which of those qualities the men you desire should and should not find attractive.

      Nobody, man or woman, has or should have that right, any more than they should have the right to tell other people what to think.

    • TS says:

      09:05am | 11/01/12

      Act your age not your shoe size. Wow that is such a cringe worthy comment Em. Did you post this comment from 1950? Haha

      In anycase you missed BJ’s point that men are obviously judged on their appearance however deal with it better.

    • Chris L says:

      10:06am | 11/01/12

      Where Em missed the point by the widest margin was the fact that this isn’t about what men think about fatties, it’s about how women react to fatties and, most importantly, how female fatties feel about being fatties.

      My suggestion to Em is to grow up yourself and get over it. You’ll feel better when you do, Tubby grin

    • Tim says:

      06:55am | 11/01/12

      Yes,
      What those suffragettes really fought for is the ability of one woman to criticise another woman based on their own life choices.

      Well done Tracey

    • JustSaying says:

      08:55am | 11/01/12

      Naomi Wolf (my favourite feminist) has said that we have achieved equality only on the terms of men (well OK, certain historic male dominated constructs ). Where the standard of beauty in assessing women’s fitness and role in society was once implicit, it is now made totally explicit. Where once women only fretted about her looks in private, she is now able to fret in public. Nothing has fundamentally changed, only the ability of women now, not just men, to further the interests of an old established order.  Not sure why this should be the case, except that maybe there is something in the old established order that speaks very fundamentally to who we are as a species within the context of evolutionary biology or sociobiology.

    • Markus says:

      09:53am | 11/01/12

      @JustSaying, so essentially what Naomi is saying is that 80 years of fighting for equal legal and employment rights for women has not magically changed tens of thousands of years of evolutionary human behaviour?
      Stop the presses.

    • MarkS says:

      12:11pm | 11/01/12

      @Markus
      A feminist admitting that gender is more than a social construct is news. Feminist ideology had it that men & woman where the same & all differences were as a result of culture.

    • Mayday says:

      07:21am | 11/01/12

      The magazines make lots of money from advertisers who flog their often useless and overpriced goods to gullible people, mainly women.

      If the WW is putting Ms Hutton up as the poster girl for fifty year old women well a large majority of us will have lots of catching up to do.

      We will have to buy lots and lots of products in order to make us feel better about ourselves, to try and live up to some unattainable standard.

      I’m with you Tracey, working on our inner selves is much more important than the shell we live in, after all beauty is only skin deep.

    • Chris L says:

      10:14am | 11/01/12

      I’ve had a browse through a couple such magazines (medical clinic waiting rooms should include playboys in their selection damnit!) and they seem to contain nothing more than vacuous gossip, questionable “facts” and laughable quizes. While I can see how engaging in some thought-bereft dross can be entertaining (I satisfy that need with movies containing senseless violence) I don’t see how an intelligent person can actually equate any real world value to such glossy toilet paper!

    • Biggy Love says:

      07:31am | 11/01/12

      I wish my 50 year old neighbour looked like Deborah Hutton. Everytime she’s out in the backyard sunning herself it makes me think of a road-baked canetoad.

    • St. Michael says:

      11:26am | 11/01/12

      Newsflash: Deborah Hutton is your neighbour.

    • Tator says:

      01:49pm | 11/01/12

      That sounds like the old duck who was Mary’s neighbour in Something About Mary

    • Barge Arse says:

      09:12pm | 11/01/12

      I reckon Deb could do with a couple of good tattoos.  That would really show how “equal’ she is with us blokes and, Biggy Love, then you could shout over the fence to her, “show us ya tats!”. A nice butterfly on her left tit would be great, but it would look like a Bogong moth when she is 80.

    • jay smith says:

      07:31am | 11/01/12

      I remember the super rich Gai Waterhouse referring to the PM as disastrous looking, while pictured representing the nation’s shared grief following the tsunami.  Women are their own worst enemies, especially when the likes of the multiple-drafted face of Waterhouse gets quoted as if she is something credible.  i don’t know many working women (especially a PM who works 16 hours a day) who have the time or inclination to be so precious, and they shouldn’t be pressured to fit ‘the standard’.
      Women are their own worst enemies, definately.

    • James Shaw says:

      08:57am | 11/01/12

      Yeah male politicians never get criticised about their appearance - I bet you never heard John Howard criticised for his bushy eyebrows, bald head or being short, Kim Beazley for being overweight, Barry O’Farrell for being overweight, Mark Latham man boobs, Peter Costello’s chin, Tony Abbot for wearing speedos.

      Seriously do you actually think before simply regurgitating clichéd responses? Male politicians are considered free game and are criticised for appearance far more than female politicians where it is considered taboo. Wake up to yourself.

    • Tom says:

      11:39am | 11/01/12

      The difference is that the male pollies knew their physical “challenges” and lived with it. Howard would rather have been taller but he was sort of locked in. High heels were out of the question.

      Underneath it all, most blokes would prefer to look like Brad Pitt, but they don’t so they live with it.

      If you really want to criticise males, sometimes they are too accepting and become slobs while wifey works her guts out at the gym.

    • Tony Smith says:

      12:43pm | 11/01/12

      Tom whilst I agree with most of your comments, you must certainly get around with a different circle of friends then me. Out of the ten sets of couples that my wife and I do a lot of things together with (nearly all have had kids) I would say one female is in excellent shape, 2 would be considered decent weight, 4 would be overweight and 3 are very overweight. On the other side of the coin of the husbands 4 are in excellent shape, 3 are in decent shape and 2 are overweight. The real problem however is that if you asked the overweight women how they looked they would probably all say they are a “good weight”. The media seems to pander to overweight women so that someone who looks like Julie Goodwin thinks she is actually a healthy size, which is simply not the case.
      I appreciate that this is a small sample size however my observation is that the men lead far more active lifestyles than the women. An example is that we meet up all the time to play touch footy, cricket, fun runs etc. On the other hand when the guys are looking after the kids the women prefer to simply go for lunches and dinners. My wife always complains about it as she likes to be as active as possible. Anyway simply an observation.

    • jay smith says:

      12:51pm | 11/01/12

      Oops, James Shaw, I said something vaguely nice about the PM.  So very, very sorry. No need to be nasty in a debate - ‘wake up to yourself’?

      Yes, the Male pollies were criticised for their appearance, but my point, in support of the article, was that women’s public image and standing can be damaged by criticism about their looks.  The point is that male’s talents are not judged by their looks, even if they are ‘teased’ for their looks. It is possible for an ugly man to make it big in show business, difficult for a women (for example).  Look at the reaction to the X-Factor’s Susan Boyle able to SING - stop the press! - an ugly chick can sing, it’s unnatural and headline news!!! 
      Also, have you noticed the female TV news reporter are young twenty somethings - are you telling me that only young pretty girls study journalism?  Tracey Spicer would never got her job if she were ugly, no matter how smart or talented.  It’s a fact of society.
      Sorry again for saying something sympathetic about the PM. Peace.

    • Tom says:

      12:57pm | 11/01/12

      Thanks Tony, perhaps our age groups differ?
      However, just as a hypothetical, do you and your mates play touch footy, cricket, fun runs etc. to become more attractive to women? Or is it a social event that burns up a bit of pent up energy?

    • Al says:

      07:43am | 11/01/12

      Why does anyone pay any attention to any of the ‘womens’ magazines anyway?
      They are made too:
      1) Sell/advertise products and services.
      2) Convince women to believe they need said products/services.
      And the last point is one I got from a journalist who worked for a womens magazine, “We just make stuff up as long as it will sell”. Ever read one of those ‘what men want/think/feel’ articles in a womens magazine, high chances it was written with no input from any man at all (not even for research purposes).

    • Sean says:

      10:29am | 11/01/12

      Far and away the most logical point anyone in this thread has made.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      02:08pm | 11/01/12

      Exactly, if women want to stop being judged on solely their looks, perhaps they should stop reading brain dead magazines. Science and Game Informer are both good reads. Also, there are a few really funny creationist mag’s out there - try them all!

    • acotrel says:

      05:34pm | 11/01/12

      ‘‘what men want/think/feel’ articles ’  Just like fashion, probablt determined by gays, and what would they know about heterosexuality ? Where can I find a w oman who looks like Barbie Doll, and can actually communicate ,hold a sensible conversation ? From a male perspective sex takes care of the first 5 minutes, then you have to talk to them.  It doesn’t matter how good they look, nobody wants a snooty, poisonous, whingeing negative dill in their lives ! If I wanted that , there are plenty of jealous homosexuals around looking for partners .In my whole life, I’ve only ever met 3 women I’d want t o be married to, and I’m with one of them now !

    • Mitch says:

      07:44am | 11/01/12

      @BJ - you left off “fridge”, my new favourite fatty referral. “Hey fridge how yah going!?!” Good one hey?

    • Brett says:

      07:54am | 11/01/12

      I had a discussion with some friends of mine recently, trying to understand why women do what they do and wear what they wear. It seems not to impress or attract men, but to impress other women. As seen in the recent trend to wear high heels so high that you cant walk properly and your legs look like the hind legs of a racehorse (as does ones bottom). A friend told me that the first thing she does when entering a room is scan all the other women in the room and assess where she sits in the pecking order of attractiveness. Then she will look at the guys to see if any are interesting.
      On the same token, we men do seem to assess all women based on hoe attractive they are (at least initially). I have a friend who is an engineer, incredibly intelligent and after a few short years in her career (in the same field as me) can run rings around me. She works hard at work and hard on her fitness in her own time. She is not however, as genetically blessed as Deborah Hutton. When describing her to my single mates, thier first question is “is she attractive?” I think she is. “but is she good looking?”. A 100 years of “equality” or at least 100 years of working towards it, and women are still judged by the same criteria both by men and other women.

    • Markus says:

      08:46am | 11/01/12

      They do not dress to attract men as such, no. But they do dress to be attractive to men. As in, they do not want men falling all over them day in day out, but want to be safe in the knowledge that they could achieve that if that is what they actually desired.

      The knowledge that they are able to attract more, and better, men than other women is the part that impresses and/or instills jealousy in other women. That is the ‘pecking order’.

      Regarding your final point, ‘equality’ is not men being attracted to the same things women are. No woman has the right to determine what a man should or should not find attractive, just as no man has the right to do so for a woman.

    • Tony Smith says:

      09:01am | 11/01/12

      ... have you ever tried to set up a female with a guy on a blind date? Shock because the first question from women is whether he is attractive. Not sure what the point of this is comment was as that is pretty standard for both genders so that sounds like 100 years of equality is actually working.

    • Rossco says:

      09:38am | 11/01/12

      Have you told her how you feel about her Brett?

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      02:19pm | 11/01/12

      In short Markus, chicks are attention seekers for the most part, for the sole prupose of, well, getting the attention of me over that of other women for the simple reason of being able to say they’re better than someone else. Women like this are the least attractive. They automatically (to me at least) appear as though they have a face that looks like a forest fire that has been put out with a screw driver. In that sense at least, I look furrther than appearance in women for sure, as bad attitude = ugly in my books. Also boobs are good.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      04:02pm | 11/01/12

      I meant men, not ‘me’ specifically. Well that makes me seem creepy, awkward.

    • Miss H says:

      03:23pm | 16/01/12

      Weird. When I enter a room the first thing I do is scan for friends. Pecking order and attractiveness have nothing to do with it. Maybe your friend is a bit immature…. or has a phobia.

    • Kate says:

      08:04am | 11/01/12

      Interesting piece in so much as the blokes here are right. Women do criticise each other constantly. Tracey, you look fabulous so physical appearance is not an issue for you. Julie is great and so is Deborah. I don;t think the constant naked and near naked thing helps women but for mags it is a great sales tool. In fact female insecurity sells many a product. And whether your Julie or Deborah posing for a magazine cover is a reasonable move for those who need a public profile to earn their keep.

    • MK says:

      11:55am | 11/01/12

      I though it was a bit rich of Tracey trying to claim bonus points for apparently deliberately not obbsessing about her looks,
      when sorry
      Just take a look at the profile photo in the top corner of the article,
      a smile as genuine as the plastic/wax hamburgers they use in fast food commercials
      Super white teeth.
      you’re a news read Its a HUGE part of your job to look rpesenteable and aesthetically pleasing.

    • Elias says:

      08:09am | 11/01/12

      tracy spicer, you are amazing

    • Livin says:

      08:13am | 11/01/12

      I was standing in the queue at my local shops just after Christmas. On the stands beside the check-out every single cover of every women’s magazine was about body image. What does that tell you? We are being played! We are being preyed upon! Christmas and holidays and food and indulgence is what all the pre-Christmas magazines are about and then we feel guilty or made to feel guilty afterwards. It is time to detach our emotions from the barometer of corporate greed. We will never be happy if we let them tell us how to feel good or behave as a civl society!

    • Kika says:

      09:46am | 11/01/12

      I don’t think it’s as simple as that. If media represents snapshots of our culture, then the fact that people are buying these mags shows that we are interested in what the mags are trying to say. Mags are selling what we want and if we didn’t want to read it, we wouldn’t.  I think the fact that it’s so much in the media represents how much we are all thinking of the issue of body image.

      We are the ones who fuel the corporate machine, not the other way around.

      I mean how many times do you, or someone you know feel like they are judging another woman’s looks or weight during the course of a day? I know I do. I’m not going to lie. Only yesterday I saw a lady who was obviously dealing with some weight issues wearing a completely inappropriate dress which was too clingy. The fabric was so wrong. It showed every bump and crevice on her. Then she turned around and she was pushing a pram with two baby twins…. I didn’t know. My first instinct was to judge her weight and her dress sense.

      The question is… are we buying these mags to ‘appreciate’ these women’s bodies or are we buying them to have a gawk and say ‘OMG look at her! She’s a beast!’ (and in turn making ourselves feel good that we don’t look like that) and “OMG… she’s 40. She must be starving herself or can afford a personal trainer… she should put some damn clothes on. Biarch”.

    • Jem says:

      11:00am | 11/01/12

      @ Kika

      Do you mean judging their fashion sense or judging their entire personality, probable eating habits and lifestyle choices?

      It’s one thing to look at a person (male or female) and wonder why they picked that colour shirt to wear, or appreciate their style.  It’s another to look at someone, dislike their appearance and extrapolate they are a selfish, lazy, useless burden on society.  Or that the attractive, well dressed person is smarter and better than someone less well presented.

      Personally I don’t make any judgements about a person’s abilities or personality based on clothes or weight.  It’s incredibly ignorant to think you know everything there is about a person based on the tie they are wearing or the length of their skirt.

    • Kika says:

      01:28pm | 11/01/12

      @Jem - You may not but a LOT of people do.

    • Wayne Kerr says:

      02:14pm | 11/01/12

      @Jem

      It’s the old addage..“First impressions are the ones that last.” As Kika says a lot of people will judge others on how they’re dressed or how they present themselves.  This usually stems from past experience or stereo types.

      That doesn’t make it right but it reflects reality for the majority of people.  I try not to judge others as well but even the best of us do sometimes..

    • Paul Horn says:

      02:22pm | 11/01/12

      You know Kika being a woman only you can answer your own question. Women are obsessed with themselves and prefer looking at other women to men. This phonemona has been greatly exagerated by a “looks” obsessed media industry.

      Let’s face it Kika no woman between the ages of 15 and 55 would choose to be Condoleeza Rice over Paris Hilton. If that were not so why are the womens magazines filled with stories about vacuous celebrity beauties and diet regimes. Even day time TV is filled wth inocuous female tripe.

      Vast areas of shopping malls are dedicated to womens fashion as is the most expensive parts of the CBD. You women are obsessed with how you look. And the answer is simple! It is all about sex power, the greatest power any man or woman can posess without having to work ones butt off to obtain it.

      The power to walk down the street with half your arse on display and inflict an animalistic sexual response in a passing male. This gives you an exciting thrill all the while acting completely indifferent to the grunting neanderthall in your thrall. It’s wierd. All that effort and preparation just to be able to say to some halfwit ” Ha Ha deadshit - I’ve got the goods and you can’t touch em, looooser!!!” Not only that I can also act outraged at being treated as a sexual object. Oh the double standard.       

      I for one wished all females looked like Julie Goodwin then I could completely ignore the lot ot you and live a blissful life free from sexual provocation!

      Have a nice day.

    • Cookie Monster says:

      03:56pm | 11/01/12

      “I for one wished all females looked like Julie Goodwin then I could completely ignore the lot ot you and live a blissful life free from sexual provocation!” - I doubt alot of men would agree with you - sounds more like frustration than anything else.

    • Chris L says:

      09:14am | 12/01/12

      At least if women all made themselves ugly they can stop being upset at being admired for their bodies.

      Back in the sixties Star Trek had an episode (Is There In Truth No Beauty) about how we tend to think the best of beautiful people and the worst of ugly people. Good show.

    • Annabolical says:

      11:10am | 12/01/12

      @Paul, Firstly I think you’re completely off on your assumption about all women choosing to be Paris Hilton over Condoleeza Rice. I know my looks will fade (and already have very slightly as I’m pushing 30), and I’d much rather the status, intellect & respect that Rice has than the fleeting looks of Paris Hilton (who might I add is not terribly respected by men, or women).

      Also, I think you might find that the reason womens magazines are filled with stories about vacuous celebrity beauties, is because women simply enjoy gossiping about other women but this does not automatically mean that we want to be these other women just because we enjoy reading/gossiping about them! Half the time we are judging them negatively, or finding amusement in their looks/lives.

      In response to your comments on sex power, again I think you are making some incorrect assumptions. Most attractive women who dress up to flaunt their looks are not doing so to get off on laughing at the losers who get excited passing them in the street! Those guys are just an annoying side-effect of the presentation efforts, the aim is to get attention from similarly attractive men. Make more sense now?

    • Jimmy D says:

      08:21am | 11/01/12

      The only parallel universe here is the one you have chosen to live in Tracy. Men in movies, TV shows, music clips etc seem to always have their shirts off, in a state of undress and there is no outcry. Where is you demand that Home and Away stop having guys walking around with their shirts off or that they have ‘real men’ on the show with beer guts? In comparison to women, how many men in modelling / acting who are half naked are “plus sized”? I’d say outside of joke scenes which are meant to make people cringe the answer is none. Society has to put up with whinging women like yourself overweight / obsese women at every turn just so they can feel better about themselves. Society just generally accepts that it is acceptable for men to be half naked or naked right? However when a women is in less than fully clothed skin it is somehow oppressive, against her will, immoral or pornographic.
      Personally I could not careless if young guys have their shirts off on TV, magazine covers etc. It seems the problem is not with the women who are being photographed but those like you who should look at themselves instead of worrying about others.

    • Rose says:

      08:28am | 11/01/12

      One of the other problems women face is that these magazine shots are rarely honest. The positioning, the lighting and most importantly the photo-shopping, .all ensure that the average women will never be able to compete. The sad thing is that women know this and still try their damnedest to compete anyway.
      I think the idea that men don’t react the same way was pretty much the case for most men in previous generations, but more and more men are falling victim to this perpetual race to be just like the celebrities as well. Men are spending huge dollars on ‘muscle-building’ protein shakes, at the gym, at designer menswear retailers and increasingly at the beauticians.
      The Deborah Huttons of the world know that they are at the top of the beauty tree, and are just (knowingly) spinning absolute bullshit when they try and sell shots like these as empowering to women, or in anyway representative of the average woman. They are fully aware that the reason they earn their mega $ is not because they are genuine role-models, it’s because they look better than most of the rest of us. That’s it, that’s their talent, their occupation, their reason for being, and they make themselves sound even more out of touch when they try and try to pull off the “I’m doing it for all women” crap!

    • Markus says:

      10:21am | 11/01/12

      “The sad thing is that women know this and still try their damnedest to compete anyway”
      How is that a sad thing? When you set yourself a goal, even if you don’t necessarily fully reach it, achieving more than you would ever have had you not set that goal is a cause for celebration and self-satisfaction, not doom and gloom.

      As for the men you mention, they are spending huge money on those products mainly for two reasons:
      - they now have the money to do so
      - it achieves the desired result (as much as women try to deny it, they are as attracted to looks as men)

      The other main difference is that those men don’t give up just because Arnie will always be bigger than they could ever be.

      Sound, how anyone could even live with themselves with a mentality that not being the best at something is a legitimate reason to not even bother trying is just beyond me.

    • Miss M says:

      08:33am | 11/01/12

      Deborah Hutton and Julia Gillard (when she appeared In the WW) have been airbrushed to death. A little less fat here, a little less chin there, no skin flaws….......  For me it’s no more than a very fleeting curiosity.

    • doubletalkingjive says:

      08:34am | 11/01/12

      I have had many, many, in depth discussions with women regarding looks etc.  What women confess to their friends, but never in public, is that women are far more worried about what OTHER WOMEN think of them then men.  Most women don’t worry about if men think their cute as most men are willing to accept any number of flaws.  It is other women that are nasty, catty, picky, when it comes to fashion, weight etc.  Women dress for other women.  No regular man cares about the shoes you are wearing for instance.  Those ones that cripple your feet just to look good.  Men don’t care about all that make up, 2 hours in the bathroom, that is for other women.  So women, get off your high horse, and admit in public what you admit in private.  That your outrageous emphasis on the superficial is driven by other women, and your own superficiality, and not a lot to do with men.

    • Markus says:

      10:31am | 11/01/12

      They don’t care what regular men think of them, but they do care what the men they want think of them. How do you know which men they want? They are the same men that most women want.
      Hence why they care what other women think, as it is the other women who will be able to judge whether a woman would be more attractive to a particular man than other women.

      This is also why some women become particularly bitchy when a desirable man dates a girl that those women wouldn’t consider the most attractive. They just cannot compute that their judgement of what he would find attractive was so off, and try to rationalise it with claims like “she must be a giant slut, that’s the only reason he could possibly be going out with her”.

    • Tigger says:

      08:40am | 11/01/12

      “When is the persecution of women by women going to end?” asked one blogger. ``Some of us are fat, some of us are thin. “So f*#king what?”

      I agree. What I have found is that no matter what one woman does to try to feel better about herself, there is another woman ready to cut her down for it.

      “You won’t find wise words like that in a glossy women’s magazine.”

      So, instead of criticising her for appearing on the cover of it, why not change the concept of what a women’s magazine is, to contain more poetry and less “gloss”? Won’t sell? Umm, I wonder why that is?

    • Andrew says:

      08:41am | 11/01/12

      Next to this article is an advert for Vogue sub-titled “Beauty and Beyond”

    • Ms Average Looks and Income says:

      08:47am | 11/01/12

      A suggestion for next month’s WW cover… same shot of DH photoshopped to represent how she would look without the time and money to spend on working ‘hard to look this good’...  that would go some way to balancing this act of showing off and rubbing our noses in it.

    • TheBigMicka says:

      10:24am | 11/01/12

      Or the exact same Deborah Hutton photo with no photoshopping.  That pic just dosn’t look right to me.  Let’s boycott WW til they show the untouched original.

    • Jimmy D says:

      12:52pm | 11/01/12

      Jeez this is annoying. First fat ugly chicks whinge about that all models are photo shopped so it is not real. This comment is obviously garbage so they then fall back to if I had more time and money I would look that good. More time from doing what may I ask? Sitting on the lounge eating potato chips? Debrah Hutton has a full time job so how does she have any more time than other women?

      Instead of making excuses put down the bucket of KFC and go for a run!

    • Markus says:

      08:54am | 11/01/12

      If everybody stopped to think “will my actions make some women, somewhere, feel insecure about themselves?” nobody would do anything, ever. And some women would still feel insecure about the fact nobody is doing anything anymore.

      If you really want to help the sisters Tracey, quit the shaming tactics against any woman who not only looks physically attractive, but has the audacity to actually feel a sense of accomplishment in the work they put into achieving that. It is pathetic.

    • Timmy Tinshanker says:

      09:00am | 12/01/12

      Have to agree Markus, doesn’t matter what we do they will never be happy and always have something to whinge about. This is why men have no rights at the moment, we don’t whinge enough.
      I’m sick of girls looking at my six pack when i’m at the beach, i feel violated..

    • Clare says:

      08:55am | 11/01/12

      Totally agree with your article Tracey, and I felt the same conflict over the Julie Goodwin shot too…part of me said ‘Good on you’ the other part said ‘But why do women have to strip off publically?’ I can understand the need to be seen as attractive, thing is, women used to use CLOTHING to do that .  A well designed outfit will enhance anyone….very few can be as perfect as Deborah Hutton, or wish to spend every minute of their time working a trying to achieve some ideal of naked perfection.  Are we supposed to present ourselves as always sexual available to anyone who cares to look? Modesty seems to be a completely lost concept.

    • Harsh says:

      11:13am | 11/01/12

      I’d hardly call that bathing suit as ‘stripping off’. My word.  I thought I was a prude

    • Snake says:

      11:35am | 11/01/12

      “Clare says: Are we supposed to present ourselves as always sexual available to anyone who cares to look?”

      In short? Yes.

      Long answer? It depends what you want them to think of you. The fact is women are judged FIRST on looks, and THEN on other attributes. You require looks to get someone to get to know about the other attributes.

      Given that the males are the ones doing the hunting and mate seeking, they are biologically and instinctually designed to seek out attractive mates. Therefore it falls to the woman, who is the potential mate, to look as good as possible to attract the best possible male. Regardless of the silly social constructs feminists and fagboys construct, this is biologically engrained into us. This is how the world works regardless of what the “sisters” want you to do.

    • Sharon says:

      08:55am | 11/01/12

      I like your style Tracey.  When we relish education, a warm heart, the miracle that is the creation of life, a loving smile, a meal shared, playing with your kids, a friendly hug between women as much as all this cosmetic silliness, then we will all as a human race be better for it.  If women worked on their hearts, and brains as much as they did on their looks, the world would be a better place for our daughters.  I’m all for looking neat and tidy and well groomed, but sometimes .... sheesch, I wonder how far we have come.

    • John H says:

      08:59am | 11/01/12

      Naked and semi-naked women shouldn’t be on magazine covers? I beg to differ?
      Yours in eye candy,
      (sign here)
      :-]

    • fox says:

      09:04am | 11/01/12

      Another day, another leftist Punch feminist article.

      How about some balance for once?

      Is it too much for an article about mens issues? And not like the one the self-loathing feminist sympathiser Anthony Sharwood did last year.

    • SydneyGirl says:

      09:05am | 11/01/12

      Agreed. Take off your clothes - and its a good thing we have a society where you can do so and not be branded a whore - but don’t pretend its a blow for women’s emancipation.  Though its not entirely gender specific, male TV personalities do go under the knife and need to look young and fit or take off their shirt (or at least have a young girlfriend), its the demands of the industry. 

      “Women are their own worst enemies”. Can we lay this to rest. Its a furphy. We are all our own worst enemies. Our aren’t.  Its not some woman gene at work.

    • Kika says:

      10:28am | 11/01/12

      Chromosome. Not Gene.

    • Kika says:

      01:53pm | 11/01/12

      It’s not ‘genetic’ to be a woman. It’s a Chromosome… XX and XY?

    • lea says:

      04:51pm | 11/01/12

      As SydneyGIrl said, all of our genes are sorted and condensed into chromosomes.
      Therefore any difference in chromosomes (for this example XX vs XY) is a genetic difference.

      So whether we are male or female is genetically determined.

    • Siggy Peel says:

      09:14am | 11/01/12

      Lovely article. The so called women’s media is a strange beast and worth a wry comment or eye roll or two, but it doesn’t reflect life. We have so many things the sufragettes fought for.  The catty botox brigade are a minority.

    • Middle-aged-grump says:

      09:15am | 11/01/12

      Lets face it, when male or female of any age poses nude or semi-nude for a magazine spread; it is for the own benefit. They may need money, publicity, or to regenerate their flagging careers. The can harp on about doing it for others, or society in general all they like. They may even believe it to a minor extent. It is all garbage; it is for themselves, no others!

    • Eleanor says:

      09:17am | 11/01/12

      I never did understand this. Thanks for pointing it out, Tracey. I appreciate it was pretty gutsy of Sarah Murdoch to do a cover shot without Photoshop, but she still looked gorgeous. The message I took away from it was “See? She’s still naturally stunning!”

      Beautiful people being beautiful doesn’t exactly bolster the waning confidence of us mere mortals.

    • Nass says:

      09:22am | 11/01/12

      Have to agree with your article, if Deborah Hutton thinks she’s representative of the average 50 year old woman, she really is a moron.  As you say, most women that age are probably working full time, probably have kids still at home etc etc, so as if they’d have time to work out everyday. And even if they did, they most likely still wouldn’t look like her!  Bizarre that she thinks she’s helping women’s body issues.

    • Rose says:

      09:28am | 11/01/12

      The other problem with photo shoots such as this is that they are orchestrated to produce the best possible photo, and after all that effort they are then photo shopped to remove any possible way they could be referred to as natural. Unfortunately women know this and still try and compete with these images, ridiculous! The other unfortunate thing is that men are in fact catching up, they are spending increasing amounts of time and money to get ‘the look’. ‘Muscle building’ protein powders, gym memberships, designer clothes, beauticians, all attract the men caught up in the hype as well.
      Deborah Hutton and her ilk are fully aware that they are genetically blessed, and they have the income, time and resources to overcome any minor imperfection, and what they can’t fix will be photo-shopped anyway. In no way d they represent the average person, they know it and they deliberately try and push the ‘I’m just like everyone else’ crap in order to sell products that, in most cases will not make any noticeable difference. They are the snake-oil salespeople of the modern era.

    • Debbie says:

      09:32am | 11/01/12

      What bugged me about the Deborah Hutton cover is that it was photo shopped. No one really looks like that as 50 with no wrinkles and perfect smooth skin. Rather than help women, I think it makes a lot of people feel inadequate and hopeless, as if they could ever look like that. I thought what Julie Goodwin did is great, good on her for doing the photo shoot, and who cares if she is overweight.
      It is so much more important what you do with your life, rather than obsessing about your looks. As we grow older all our bodies will change and age, as they should, that it part of life. Whether you are slim or overweight, beautiful or not so pretty, we will all look older and our body shape will change, skin loose its elasticity and start to wrinkle. Its life. Being happy with who you is far more important in life and living your life, rather than worrying about every kg or wrinkle, will lead to a far more beautiful person on the inside.
      Sure I could loose a few kgs (well more than a few actually) but I do work I love, have a great family, work out a few times a week to improve my health, have a crazy busy life and am generally a pretty happy person, that is so much more important.

    • Taylor says:

      09:35am | 11/01/12

      I’m usually not a fan of these sorts of articles but I agree with you, Tracey. I do not see the point in this depiction of ‘amazing’ and ‘incredible’ bodies.
      It does nothing but serve the subject/s with a massive ego boost and , for a plethora of reasons, leaves much of a readership momentarily impressed and inspired but ultimatley unable to emulate what they see.

    • bec says:

      09:36am | 11/01/12

      I can guarantee you that Deborah Hutton is not going to dip into her precious supply of fucks to give one to anyone making comment about her appearance.

      I hate the whole “women are their own worst enemy” lines, as if insults or attempts to undermine a person were only occurring within one gender. I personally don’t know if any woman I know has criticised my looks behind my back, and being that I have no right to control the thoughts of others, I give no fuck. It is, however, not women who feel the right to lean out of cars and shout things at me about my appearance. It’s always the same fucktard douchebag in a riced-up ute, fresh from a busy afternoon of having sex with whatever miserable Staffy halfbreed they own.

      It’s also not women who choose violent means in the majority of instances: men are statistically far more likely to be physically assaulted by other men, and nobody cries “men are their own worst enemies”. Nobody made stupid catfight noises when a friend of mine was assaulted with a glass bottle from behind, or complained about feminism ruining everything when he had to go into the hospital with a concussion and a gash in his head.

      Leave us with the gossip. That’s far less likely to leave us in a coma or on life support than the alternative.

    • Sydney Girl says:

      10:13am | 11/01/12

      CANNOT AGREE MORE.

      Men fighting and killing each other is brotherhood. Its being a man.

      A woman who criticises another woman = women are their own enemies. Never mind that if women didn’t co-operate civilised society may not exist.

    • Sydney Guy says:

      10:47am | 11/01/12

      That’s the way girls, completely ignore the issue of failings of your own sex and turn it around so the focus is on the opposite sex.

      Fucking pathetic.

    • bec says:

      11:13am | 11/01/12

      But… isn’t that precisely what you’re doing in your post, Sydney Guy? See, you’re ignoring the fact (yes, fact) that men are more likely to kill, and be killed by other men - far more than women are to be killed, or to kill, other women. You’re ignoring the hundreds of innocent young men taken to hospital every weekend due to some dickhead stranger punching or glassing them when they’re out for a fun night on the town. You’re ignoring the people whose lives are genuinely destroyed by an idiot with a short fuse who would rather cause physical harm than live with five minutes of inconvenience.

      Deborah Hutton and the Australian Women’s Weekly have nothing to do with my life. La Hutton is likely laughing at the uproar created while enjoying a freshly made foetus daquiri purely because magazines do exploitative things like this to generate outrage and make more sales.

    • Markus says:

      11:20am | 11/01/12

      To bec and SydneyGirl, of course men are men’s worst enemies. Men are competitive bastards, and many will step on anybody and everybody to get to the top. It is why the whole patriarchy theory is utter crap.

      The difference is that on the whole, men accept this reality, and deal with it as best they can. Short of demanding fair and just legal recourse, men are nowhere near as likely as women to make demands of everyone (government, companies, society) to change reality to suit them.

      Not all women are like this, but clearly enough are for crap like this to keep making money.
      There are several of these types of articles about negative body image on the Punch alone. Hell, a new cut+paste job is done pretty much every time a female celebrity gets her kit off.

      When was the last time you saw an article published by a man demanding a ban on Hugh Jackman, on the basis he builds an unrealistic expectation of men?

    • Snake says:

      11:41am | 11/01/12

      You and your “sisters” will have equality when you do what men do about fit looking men appearing on magazine covers half naked.

      Markus said it best - “When was the last time you saw an article published by a man demanding a ban on Hugh Jackman, on the basis he builds an unrealistic expectation of men? “

      Win.

    • AdamC says:

      11:42am | 11/01/12

      The reality, of course, is that people, quite naturally, compete with one another, especially with others of the same gender. The difference is that men are conditioned to compete with each other constructively, via team sports, debating, the arts, making millions of dollars, etc, while women tend to compete destructively, by taking each other down.

      A manifestation of this is the extraordinary cattiness women so often display about each other’s appearance. It is one of the few genuine and profound differences between the sexes. As a man, even a gay man, the idea of feeling better about myself by slagging off another bloke for having a face like a slate-layer’s nailbag just doesn’t occur to me. In the case of women, it is just de rigeur.

      And even the women who identify and object to this behaviour systematically misdiagnose the condition and misprescribe the cure. It is not a fixation on prettiness that is the problem, it is a fixation on being Queen Bitch by running down other women. That is what women should change. And the way to do that is to encourage team competition and friendly rivalry among young girls, just as we do with young boys.

    • SydneyGirl says:

      11:46am | 11/01/12

      @Markus, women as an organised group making unrealistic demands is a myth.  There are differences between women and women accept this. But if you read the comments here every day it is as if women are involved in a giant ongoing catfight while men are bonding and being good to each other. It’s these stereotypes that are objectionable. To be fair women indulge in stereotyping too.

      The stereotype of men in media is brutal, violent, inept, sex obsessed etc. These are stupid and I am often surprised that men don’t redress it and instead reinforce it (unfortunately the spokespeople for the male “feminist” cause have a simplistic women are b*tches argument which only puts them on par with the good sheikh on cats).

      Women examine the way they are portrayed and the way they are treated by society which is why there are articles in the Punch.  And its a good thing.

    • bec says:

      11:59am | 11/01/12

      Snake, I have never complained once about naked ladies on covers, nor have I asked for them to be banned. The article above didn’t even ask for them to be banned, so you won two things: jack, and shit, and jack left town.

      I actually don’t care about appearances. I don’t even know what Deborah Hutton *did* to justify herself a cover on any magazine. I’m more annoyed that people use this as an opportunity to degrade female relationships and friendships while ignoring the reality that male competitiveness is not always as healthy or about meaningful things, as you would like to argue it. There are plenty of dudes who will bitch about other men over the most pointless things. The kids at my school aren’t necessarily bitching about the other kid who actually achieved something - they’re whining about who has the sickest longboard, or who is lying about how good their car is.

      I am sure there are plenty of people who are shitty about other people regarding their appearance. As someone with a face like a dropped pie, I rarely get into any sort of discussion about someone else’s appearance. I will certainly talk about someone behind their back if their behaviour is completely questionable (plagiarism, insulting someone else, criminal behaviour), but who *doesn’t* do that in those circumstances?

    • St. Michael says:

      12:22pm | 11/01/12

      “Men fighting and killing each other is brotherhood. Its being a man.”

      Correction: that is how men are conditioned to behave by society from somewhere in the middle of primary school, but it is not masculinity in its fulfilling form.  Steve Biddulph goes into a lot of detail about this in his books.  Men view one another as potential physical threats first, and competitive threats second.  It is just as crippling as women viewing one another as competitive threats, and it has to change.

    • Markus says:

      12:26pm | 11/01/12

      “But if you read the comments here every day it is as if women are involved in a giant ongoing catfight while men are bonding and being good to each other”
      We are not saying that at all. We are saying that it is feminist groups that present a front of fighting for all women, and full support of each other in the fight for their freedom to choose.

      That men are refuting this claim as utter shit does not in any way imply that men are claiming the same unity amongst themselves.

    • bec says:

      12:29pm | 11/01/12

      I like the cut of your jib as always, St Michael.

    • Fiona says:

      10:28pm | 11/01/12

      Liked your comment st Michael.

    • Snake says:

      09:14am | 12/01/12

      @St Michael “and it has to change.”

      Why?

      It is biological, it is instinct. It has been that way for centuries and actually drives us in life, in career and in whatever aspirations one might have. Without competition, without challengers the world is nothing. A bunch of apathetic nobodies running around hugging everyone won’t really push the boundaries of human ability will it?

      But if you think it is possible that you might lose out on the sort of girl you might land because you earn a measly 50k while others are earning six figures, it might drive you to do something more. You can substitute girl for house or car if you like, it’s the same thing in the end.

      Same thing goes for women. Without the potential threat of losing their men to better looking, younger, funnier women everyone would be married to Julie Goodwin-esque behemoths being thankful for the robustness of their asses. We don’t want that do we?

    • St. ichael says:

      11:02am | 12/01/12

      “It has been that way for centuries and actually drives us in life, in career and in whatever aspirations one might have.”

      And it’s destroying men emotionally.  Not to mention physically.  It is the fundamental reason we have a lesser lifespan than women and poorer mental health outcomes than women—because we have an exaggerated sense of our own ability to cope and ability to deal with the world, meaning that we’re not primed to ask for help or reach out for assistance when we need it.  It is one reason why men in marriages live longer—the “nag effect” is well-documented, where a man is more likely to go and get medical help for a condition he’d otherwise ignore because his wife loves him, is worried about him, and wants him to be around for a long time.

      It’s not biological or instinctive, either.  Like I said, society conditions us to it from somewhere in primary school.  Watch a bunch of boys playing in most primary schools in about year one, year two or so; they’ll all happily hug one another, won’t thump one another incessantly, and so on.  That sense of brotherhood is ground out of them by the time they’re 14 or so - hug another boy when you’re that age and you’re begging for a belting or your bag getting stolen in most schools.

      And the reason it happens is because we don’t raise our boys, in particular, with positive male role models around them.  There are, substantively, no male teachers left.  Fathers are absent from the house 8-10 hours out of the day, which is most of their sons’ day.  Boys are under women most of the time.  Few, if many, female teachers are radical feminists, but it remains the case that a woman can’t teach a man how to be a man.  For that, a man will absorb the role models he has around him, and a poisonous relationship with one’s father, as most men have, is deadly for that.

      Part of it is also the industrial revolution - prior to men leaving the farms and working far away in factories, to a large degree they worked in the villages, with their male children among them. They were present.  Men were both providers and emotional models for their male sons (and their daughters, too).

      I don’t want to go back to the farm, of course, but we have to recognise this fact if we’re going to bring men’s health back up to parity with women.

      I don’t doubt masculinity encompasses the things you’ve mentioned Snake.  But it’s not the whole picture by any stretch of the imagination, and most men only realise that when it’s too late.

    • chuck says:

      09:43am | 11/01/12

      Why do so many women read such pap and actively seek out such role models anyway?  It also seems that those with a poor self image are those most willing to criticize those that are either “good looks” or pronounced media exposure (with or without clothes and golden locks).
      Those Venutians have something to answer for!

    • Anthropomorphic says:

      09:44am | 11/01/12

      Really Tracey? So your looks and golden locks didn’t propel you to the Ten newsdesk as a national newsreader? It’s easy to bleat self-righteous indignation when you have been dumped by a network because your skin has reached its 20-something used-by date, isn’t it? I would have far more respect for this article if it were written by someone of the calibre of The Age’s Michelle Grattan.

    • Frank says:

      09:51am | 11/01/12

      If the old adage ‘Women dress for women’ is true then conversely they must undress for them as well!
      Hutton and Goodwin knew full well that they open themselves for judgement on this however I think both will benefit greatly (commercially) from the exposure.

      As a mere male I don’t profess to understand the above, I have simply
      observed and marveled at the female race and what makes them tick….
      None of it makes sense to me.

    • thatmosis says:

      09:54am | 11/01/12

      I think your article is a bit biased, as she said she works hard to keep her body in shape, something most women and men find too hard and then criticise those who do. We are in our sixties and both of us work hard to keep our bodies in shape and we can feel proud when put up against those we see at the supermarket whose only exercise is lifting food to their mouths.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      09:54am | 11/01/12

      Yes, I don’t doubt Hutton & her ilk do “work hard to look like this”...But they have a number of advantages over Real Women!
      1) The Money
      2) The Time
      3) All those expensive fawning, simpering “personal trainers”
      4) The expensive Dietitians/Nutritionists.
      5) The even more expensive hairdressers
      6) Make-up artists
      7) The photo-enhancement techs who air-brush out even the tiniest wrinkle.
      Every single one of these ,alleged,celebrities is totally plastic. Let them go home and…
      Having been at work all or part of the day, do the following:
      1) Make sure the children have done their home-work
      2) Make an After School Snack for them
      3) Put on a Laundry & hang it out on the line
      4) When dry bring it in, fold it &, time permitting, do the Ironing
      5) Prepare the evening meal
      6) Set
      7) Finish up that now cold cup of tea or coffee they made when they got home
      8) Take a few minutes to sit down with their partner, have a drink & just relax.
      9) Serve that Evening Meal
      10) Get the washing up done by partner & children.
      11) Prepare the school lunches for the next day
      12) Answer the, seemingly, constant stream of questions from the children
      13) Make sure the children wash & do their teeth
      14) make sure they are all in bed when they should be.
      15) Intervene in childish arguments.
      The list is Endless.
      Then having done all that lets see just how beautiful, serene, coiffed & painted all those Pampered, Painted, Plastic Poppets (4Ps) are.
      Sure the 4Ps can look great. They have the time to have their bums made trim, taught & terrific through exercise or plastic implants. Yes, they can have, what their cosmetic surgeons consider to be the perfect nose, chin, perky plastic breasts. You name it they can have it. They have nothing else to do but work on their looks. They can afford it or their sponsors pay for it all.
      It is time the 4Ps were forced to do some real work.
      They have no knowledge of real life. Like themselves it is all phony.
      Give our Real, Normal, Stressed & Harrassed Women a break.
      They are wonderful - particularly as they so often have to put up with the crap some of us dish out!

    • Jenny Penny says:

      01:00pm | 11/01/12

      WTF? Since when is Debrah Hutton a billionaire you m0r0n? You live in a fantasy world if you think an Australian minor celebrity has access to any more resources than other middle class women.

      How about you stop being part of the obesity problem and start being part of the solution. EVERYONE CAN EAT LESS AND EXERCISE MORE!

    • Cookie Monster says:

      03:44pm | 11/01/12

      Oh please - quit your bitching. You’re acting like all these people have personal trainers, cooks, cleaners and nannies on the payroll. Most don’t.

    • Debbie says:

      04:10pm | 11/01/12

      Have to agree with you there Robert, Deborah Hutton is I believe single and does not have kids. When you are a well off single women, it is easy to spend heaps of time working out, getting loads of beauty treatments and time and energy o look after yourself. Once you add in some kids, a husband and a limited income, it gets much harder. I know, I have done both, being a well off single woman until I was 40 and got married and had kids. It is really hard to find time to schedule in exercise, I have finally managed to get back on track after several years, but it requires huge logistical nightmares, juggling picking up and dropping off kids, finding babysitters when my husband is away and takes a lot of perseverance to keep it on track, as there is always something getting in the way.  Life is real and most of us our doing our best. I just wish I had someone to airbrush out my wrinkles and double chin in photos!

    • mr pod says:

      09:57am | 11/01/12

      The airbrushing and tweaking of that cover picture must have started when she was 40.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      05:47pm | 11/01/12

      Oh man that reminds me of those modelling shows, you know the ones…..

      They look passable in their finished photo’s, but I wouldn’t touch any of them with a barge pole in reality. Women with image issues should watch those shows to get some perspective maybe, because I can tell you now they’re all fuck ugly in reality.

    • nossy says:

      10:01am | 11/01/12

      I say good luck to Deb Hutton for getting her gear off - she has a great bod for her age and many are just jealous as years of eating large chocky blocks from Wollies have put the weight on them. Deb Hutton - go girl!

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      10:01am | 11/01/12

      The mammalian males’ dilemma is quantity; the Homo sapien males’ dilemma is quality, (only allowed one till death ...) quality defined by someone else.
      I watched Bran Nue Dae and was delighted in the blatant bewitching sensuality of Magda and the beguiling uninhibited sexuality of the Aboriginal floosie.
      I’ve lived in remote communities and to compliment a bloke on the looks of his wife is a whoosh! Compliment him on the motherliness, caring provider and companion gets a grin from ear to ear. Different priorities.
      Not to say that beautiful women can’t be good mothers - just that perhaps we have our priorities wrong.
      By the way I too lust after to so called beauties while I’d rather be consoled in the ample bosom of a Willendorf Venus. And wretch that I am, I judge women as “want to bed; take home to mum; keep to raise children; etc ...”
      How frail we humans are!

    • Shane says:

      10:06am | 11/01/12

      Women judge women far more than men judge women. Almost no men would have picked up any of the magazines mentioned in this article, and yet they are the topic of huge online debates. Who started them? Certainly not the men who didn’t read them.

      Women, give yourselves a break.

    • Cookie Monster says:

      03:47pm | 11/01/12

      Shane says:11:06am | 11/01/12 “Women judge women far more than men judge women” - men judge women’s attractiveness everytime they look at one. It’s not a bad thing but makes your point a fail.

    • Chris L says:

      11:00am | 12/01/12

      @Cookie Monster - A friend of mine disagreed with me over whether men imagine having sex with every woman they see. I asked him if he shuddered when he saw a particularly obese specimen. He stopped disagreeing.

    • Dan Webster says:

      10:12am | 11/01/12

      Women are their own worst enemies.

      Beauty comes from confidence in ones self, nothing else.

    • Fred says:

      10:16am | 11/01/12

      I think it’s just PR gone wrong. As if she cares about how women feel about themselves. She’s a classic yuppy. She’s probably copped a lot of mean spirited behaviour herself and is indulging in some schadenfraude.

    • Sigh says:

      10:17am | 11/01/12

      Being a female I can tell you right now, i don’t care what men or women think of my style, shoes, make up etc. I dress and style myself the way I want too! I want to be and feel comfortable. I like what I like and buy what i want regardless of whether it’s “in” and “trendy”. Do you think I honestly care that somebody has gone and spent $1500 on a pair of shoes to try and look better than me? Geeeez! There are so many silly comments, and yes they seem to all be from men. Not all females out there are insecure enough to fall to this nonsense and I’m sorry gents, but if your female friends are dressing for other women and scanning the area before they sit down and they’re out there comparing their styles etc with others, this is more of a personal insecurity/issue/problem for them, NOT for all of us girls. Get over it!

    • Markus says:

      10:51am | 11/01/12

      You think you are in the majority of women with your attitude, but the reality is you aren’t. I really wish you were, but sadly it just isn’t the case.

      That this article and every other like it is written every time an attractive woman fronts a magazine is testament to the fact that a huge market exists for the obsession of women judging other women to either alleviate or feed their own insecurities.

    • bec says:

      11:16am | 11/01/12

      It may be the norm for you in your social circles, Markus, but there are plenty of people who *don’t* do the club circuit, or who don’t work in the sort of environment where people typically spend a lot of money and time on their appearances.

      In fact, if a woman like that entered our social circle, she’d be the statistical outlier - most of us are far too consumed with jobs, study, sporting commitments or family to really put a lot of time into appearances or to making comment over someone else’s looks. If she looked especially fancy in some way, we might get excited and ask for hints, but the truth is that there are plenty of people who just don’t give a fuck about the appearances of others.

    • Markus says:

      12:58pm | 11/01/12

      I am not a bogan. None of my friends are bogans. Therefore anyone claiming that there are a lot of people in this country who exhibit boganesque tendencies must be lying, or only looking in caravan parks and/or the MCG during a Collingwood home game.

      A ridiculous conclusion, no?

    • Roscoe says:

      01:00pm | 11/01/12

      Wow Bec - you sound seriously attractive. I bet you turn a lot of heads - too bad it’s with your foul mouth and hate the world attitude.

    • bec says:

      01:18pm | 11/01/12

      Roscoe, I’m not physically attractive. I can count on one hand the instances of criticism from women about this (and this would hold true if I lost four fingers in a thresher accident), but the number of men who have felt welcome or free to make unwanted comments is quite high. It doesn’t mean that most men do it, or it’s natural for men to be ill-bred fuckwits who never learned good manners - they are still in the minority of men I have encountered - but my worldview is remarkably positive. And despite what people upthread might believe, accidents of birth such as the genetic traits I inherited or my gender don’t determine the value I bring to the world.

      Markus, your point is not unreasonably made, but you seem to think it invalidates my own. It doesn’t. You are trying to say that the majority of women act in a certain way. I don’t believe they do. I believe your experience is more determined by the social circles you move in which are entirely different to my own. And being that my social circle is largely female, and that I am female myself and privvy to these conversations, I think my view holds a good deal of validity.

    • Markus says:

      01:58pm | 11/01/12

      @bec, I am not invalidating your claims.
      You are suggesting that as a result of the majority of your experiences among women not being like that, primarily those with your friends who share similar views to yourself, that this is representative of the majority of women.

      I am suggesting that the very fact that you have gravitated toward a circle of females who act in a similar way to yourself, and have chosen to avoid areas where such women do exist and act like that (the club circuit as a single example), that your experiences are statistically insignificant, and not representative of a larger proportion of the population.

      I, on the other hand, through my experiences that encompass not necessarily a larger number of women but definitely a broader range (you can’t exactly date multiple women from the same group of friends. Not without causing a shitstorm, at least), have found that this phenomenon of judging and ranking all women’s physical appearance, even within social circles, has been common to every group of women I have socialised with.

      Based on the other comments, this observation is clearly not limited to just myself, and attempting to invalidate the observations as having just looked in the wrong places for such women, without me having even mentioned the wide variety of different events that have led to such meetings and encounters, would be inaccurate.

    • Mark says:

      02:38pm | 11/01/12

      @Bec- Come on, how many times do you tell someone exactly how it is to their face?? That is a male trait which is why you would not have seen it displayed by more than a handful of women. Get real, women are bitches, stereotypes do not get made up out of thin air.

      If you do not fit into this stereotype then you must be an exception. Just because none of your friends do it does not make it unusual for other women to do it. People, especially adults, tend to limit their friends to like minded people so describing a social construct from the narrow POV of a social circle is, well, kind of naive.

      “but the truth is that there are plenty of people who just don’t give a fuck about the appearances of others.”
      I like this, but that doesn’t really apply to this debate now does it. We are discussing a trend. Minorities are usually the exceptions to the trend so would not apply to the statistics.

      You sound like an intelligent person, Bec. Unfortunately, no one else is and you need to put yourself in their shoes rather then your own. *Most* women bitch about others in an attempt to make themselves feel better. *Most* men go to the gym to get more chicks to make themselves feel better.. Get the point??
      Great people talk about ideas; ordinary people talk about things; small-minded people talk about other people.

    • Beth says:

      03:03pm | 11/01/12

      Well I do work in the sort of environment where people typically spend a lot of money and time on their appearances, as a beauty consultant in a large department store. However I don’t care about my own appearance or other women’s. My body has completely changed from having children but I don’t regret the fact that I’ll never look good in a bikini again, as I value other qualities much higher than looks. I don’t care what Deborah Hutton wants to do on the cover of WW, I don’t buy any of those magazines anyway, and I’d be much more inclined to if they had a sexy man on the front. I have not come across women judging each other based on looks since high school, and I mix with a lot of different social circles.

    • bec says:

      03:04pm | 11/01/12

      Mark, I tell people what I think to their faces all the time. The jobs I’m paid to perform directly involve giving people explicit feedback about their behaviour and academic performance. Furthermore, plenty of women say things straight to my face. I work in a department where my supervisors are women, and shit wouldn’t get done if they didn’t tell me directly. Parents who choose to enrol their kids in private education tend to be reasonably confrontational and direct in stating whether or not they’re happy or not with your services, and nearly all parental contact I have is with mothers. I don’t deny that as a generalisation, women are socialised to be non-confrontational, passive and indirect in communication, but it doesn’t mean that the socialisation necessarily sticks or persists after education, travel or life experience.

      Markus, my social circle is a remarkably broad one. As well as working in a large workplace, I have a large extended family, I participate in my local arts community, I study at a very large university and have friends from numerous backgrounds. I also went to an all girl’s school. My experiences are not statistically insignificant; the common denominator in all the people complaining about women being bitchy is that they’re pretty shit people as well. Water finds its level. People are generally in social circles that reflect their own quality of personality. I’m not even a particularly nice person - I’ve stolen my fair share of junk mail in my time - but as much as there’s the stereotypical bitchy female character, there’s always a reason she’s singled out as the villain or nemesis in real life and fiction: because *she’s* the outlier, rather than the norm.

    • Old bag says:

      07:44am | 12/01/12

      I like you, Bec.

    • Chris L says:

      11:08am | 12/01/12

      I know a number of women (quite admirable people) who, much like Sigh above, state that they don’t care what other people think of them. They still take an hour and a half to get ready to go out anywhere, even if it’s just shopping.

    • Sigh says:

      10:18am | 11/01/12

      Being a female I can tell you right now, i don’t care what men or women think of my style, shoes, make up etc. I dress and style myself the way I want too! I want to be and feel comfortable. I like what I like and buy what i want regardless of whether it’s “in” and “trendy”. Do you think I honestly care that somebody has gone and spent $1500 on a pair of shoes to try and look better than me? Geeeez! There are so many silly comments, and yes they seem to all be from men. Not all females out there are insecure enough to fall to this nonsense and I’m sorry gents, but if your female friends are dressing for other women and scanning the area before they sit down and they’re out there comparing their styles etc with others, this is more of a personal insecurity/issue/problem for them, NOT for all of us girls. Get over it!

    • Sigh says:

      10:21am | 11/01/12

      Being a female I can tell you right now, i don’t care what men or women think of my style, shoes, make up etc. I dress and style myself the way I want too! I want to be and feel comfortable. I like what I like and buy what i want regardless of whether it’s “in” and “trendy”. I go shopping by myself and I never ask my friends if my outfit “is cute enough?”. Do you think I honestly care that somebody has gone and spent $1500 on a pair of shoes to try and look better than me? Geeeez! There are so many silly comments, and yes they seem to all be from men. Not all females out there are insecure enough to fall to this nonsense and I’m sorry gents, but if your female friends are dressing for other women and scanning the area before they sit down and they’re out there comparing their styles etc with others, this is more of a personal insecurity/issue/problem for them, NOT for all of us girls. Get over it!

    • yojimbo says:

      10:26am | 11/01/12

      Has anyone picked up last months issue of Mens Health magazine? Because Hugh Jackman appears in it and discusses how to get the wolverine physique. Don’t worry Men are just as insecure as women, they jusy dont talk about it. This is why mens suicide rates are higher.

    • Markus says:

      11:34am | 11/01/12

      The men who bought Men’s Health magazine bought it to find out what the technique was in an attempt to emulate it as best they could in their own schedule, not to bitch about how unfair it is that he has the time to achieve it and they don’t.

      Big difference.

    • Chris says:

      11:53am | 11/01/12

      Spot on.
      For men it the constant messages telling/asking us are we buff enough, do we last long enough, are we big enough, rich enough, strong enough, tall enough etc.
      Ladies it’s not just you who are not judged on who you are and what’s going on up top. Men have it just as bad. All thanks to industries who are out there to make a buck and have no issue with telling us we are ugly, fat, dumb or what ever they can think of the make us feel RS.
      The other problem is we as individuals are our own worst enemy.
      For example.
      I have a lunch date this week and all I can think about it will she give me a chance or will she think I’m manly enough, too fat, will she think my job is not good enough or will the fact that I don’t own a unit or house and have considerable debt turn her off?
      The fact that I’m good at my job, trying to lose weight, working to pay off MY debt on my OWN and may not be the manliest guy around but can do almost anything around the house, from fix tap to build a fence, none of it counts 9 times out of 10.
      I’m sure there are women out there who think the same things from a female perspective.

    • Cookie Monster says:

      03:36pm | 11/01/12

      Markus - what a load of BS - women buy magazines all the time to emulate diets, exercise, clothing, etc. That is why the women’s magazine industry is so big. From reading your posts you have a warped sense of women. Maybe you just date a type - get away from the princesses and you will experience more. You’re far from the expert you think you are.

    • Markus says:

      04:50pm | 11/01/12

      @Cookie Monster, what I was getting at is that the motivation is completely different. Women buy those magazines, buy those clothes, try those diets out of fear and insecurity.
      “If you don’t do/buy X, you will become Y”

      The ability to exploit this is huge, that is why the market is so big and the money made exponential higher than the men’s market. Advertisers do not create this insecurity, merely exploit it. And claiming it doesn’t exist on yet another article demanding they stop doing it is going to be difficult.

      Compare that to men’s advertising, which is much more incentive based. Carrot on a stick if you will.
      ‘If you buy X, you will gain Y’
      While the former still occurs in men’s advertising (think the longer lasting sex ads), it is a lot more difficult to sell a product to men by exploiting their insecurity than by exploiting their desire to be rewarded.

    • Markus says:

      04:52pm | 11/01/12

      @Cookie Monster, what I was getting at is that the motivation is completely different. Women buy those magazines, buy those clothes, try those diets out of fear and insecurity.
      “If you don’t do/buy X, you will become Y”

      The ability to exploit this is huge, that is why the market is so big and the money made exponential higher than the men’s market. Advertisers do not create this insecurity, merely exploit it. And claiming it doesn’t exist on yet another article demanding they stop doing it is going to be difficult.

      Compare that to men’s advertising, which is much more incentive based. Carrot on a stick if you will.
      ‘If you buy X, you will gain Y’
      While the former still occurs in men’s advertising (think the longer lasting sex ads), it is a lot more difficult to sell a product to men by exploiting their insecurity than by exploiting their desire to be rewarded.

    • Cookie Monster says:

      08:54am | 12/01/12

      Markus - You need to take a step back and look at what your saying. You have held yourself as an expert on women but I see little knowledge on the subject.  Being a man I don’t really see a context in which you can place you’re steadfast belief in how women think other then observation. And women can say that they observe the same insecure motivations in men.

      With what you say about men purchasing for gain why baldy clinics, sports cars, hotted-up cars and men’s cosmetics if not to aid against insecurities. What do men want to gain? - being further away from their insecurities. It’s a fine line in your description of motivations though I don’t believe that women’s core motivation is insecurity.

      The sexes actually have more in common than you think.

    • Markus says:

      10:24am | 12/01/12

      As I said, there are some markets that are experiencing strong relative growth by exploiting male insecurity, but these are still a tiny fraction of the market relative to both the total ‘male’ product market, and their equivalent female market.

      “What do men want to gain?”
      If you seriously cannot even answer that question, I think any further explanation I attempt to provide is just going to fall on deaf ears.

    • cyc0tic says:

      10:27am | 11/01/12

      The problem is that the sisterhood is a poisonous pit of vipers. Women will never support each other, hence the reason for gossip mags stating star X has gained weight and now looks hideous. Star Y has lost weight and now looks hideous. I for one am glad I am not part of the fraternity of sisterhood, it’s a very fickle group putting everyone one down to prop yourself up. Women you need to learn to STFU and support your sisters, and stop belittling and berating each other.
      I am glad I am in the brotherhood of man, we can gain weight, lose weight nothing is said. We can be successful, or unsuccessful but you will still have your brothers supporting you. It’s time women learn something from us guys and learn to STFU.

    • KH says:

      02:04pm | 11/01/12

      ‘Fraternity of sisterhood’..............bwahahahahahahahaha thats funny…...

      I presume you mean sorority of sisterhood….........

    • Tammy says:

      10:37am | 11/01/12

      Women are vein, self centred creatures who think the world revolves around how much her man earns and how many affairs she can muster!

    • Tchom says:

      10:37am | 11/01/12

      Is the real problem that these magazine exist, or is that women let them get to them? As quoted in the article - “The sight of Brad Pitt’s abs don’t send (men) into paroxysms of self-loathing.” It’s not that Brad Pitt is absent from men’s magazines. On the contrary, men’s lifestyle mags almost always have some sculpted gym-junkie on the front who earns his living by working out - something most men simple can’t afford to do. But it doesn’t trigger the same destructive self-consciousness that it does in women.

      It is easy to blame the media for creating this unrealistic expectation, but doesn’t a large amount of the burden of blame fall on the people who buy into it? Is it Deborah Hutton’s fault if you feel intimidated by her?

      Anyone worthy of respect understands that judging someone’s value purely on their beauty is shallow and superficial. Surely the same rule should apply when you’re judging yourself.

    • Tchom says:

      10:38am | 11/01/12

      Is the real problem that these magazine exist, or is that women let them get to them? As quoted in the article - “The sight of Brad Pitt’s abs don’t send (men) into paroxysms of self-loathing.” It’s not that Brad Pitt is absent from men’s magazines. On the contrary, men’s lifestyle mags almost always have some sculpted gym-junkie on the front who earns his living by working out - something most men simple can’t afford to do. But it doesn’t trigger the same destructive self-consciousness that it does in women.

      It is easy to blame the media for creating this unrealistic expectation, but doesn’t a large amount of the burden of blame fall on the people who buy into it? Is it Deborah Hutton’s fault if you feel intimidated by her?

      Anyone worthy of respect understands that judging someone’s value purely on their beauty is shallow and superficial. Surely the same rule should apply when you’re judging yourself.

    • Kay says:

      10:49am | 11/01/12

      I agree with Ms Hutton - I also don’t understand why this photo would make other women feel inadequate.  It doesn’t make me feel so.  I am only a couple of years younger than Ms Hutton and have had four children - but I have maintained my figure, don’t drink to excess or smoke and protect my skin from the sun, and eat well and exercise regularly.  I think I look and feel pretty good as a result, but am unaware as to whether my feelings of adequacy make other women feel the opposite.  I think feelings of inadequacy come from within.

    • Ando says:

      02:38pm | 11/01/12

      Fair enough, I agree . You may also agree her claim to be trying to make women feel better about themselves is rubbish as well. Why didn’t she just appear on the cover in the raw, collect the money and get off the soapbox.

    • JT says:

      10:53am | 11/01/12

      Yeah I don’t read magazines, I don’t really care what other people think of me. I don’t wear make up, don’t wear heels or skimpy attire (well there was that one fancy dress costume but hey) when I go to the club or on the weekend. I don’t feel the need to compete with other women, I am not concerned with all that, some people like me and some don’t. if people have a problem with me wearing jeans and a t-shirt to the club so I am comfortable then that’s up to them

    • yojimbo says:

      11:06am | 11/01/12

      youre a bloke though right?

    • JT says:

      03:37pm | 11/01/12

      apart from breasts and lady parts absolutely

    • Pandabater says:

      11:01am | 11/01/12

      Womens magazines deliberately make women hate themselves because they sell the solution.

    • Debra says:

      11:01am | 11/01/12

      Thank you so much for your wise words. As a woman now in my fifties, it pains me to see the state of women in society today. During the seventies and eighties I campaigned long and hard for equality between the sexes. Now young women are using this equality to dress and behave like prostitutes, older women are still fighting the battle for affordable child care and maternity leave for all, we see women posing naked on the cover of magazines to prove they ‘have it all’ and women are still fighting the never ending battle of equality in the home with housework and child raising. It is a sad state of affairs that twelve years into the 21st century, this is the situation we find ourselves in!!!!

    • St. Michael says:

      11:37am | 11/01/12

      *shrug* This is what happens when you want the options but don’t want or engender the responsibility that comes with it.  Don’t get ashamed over it, men are still coming to grips with how their own masculinity can be responsibly used.

      It’ll sound contrarian, but in economic terms the ‘new loose’, if I can put it that way, is part of the reason a decent slice of the female population is attracted to the A-grade assholes of our society.  The article at the following link—http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/new-dating-game?page=1—was written by a female academic and goes into it with some surprising observations.

      What sprang out to me was this excerpt:

      “Wolf devoted her 1997 book Promiscuities to trying to remove the stigma from .??.??. promiscuity. On the one hand, she decried the double-standard unfairness of labeling a girl who fools around with too many boys a “slut,” and, on the other, she lionized “the Slut” (her capitalization) as the enviable epitome of feminist freedom and feminist transgression against puritanical social norms. Wolf’s point of view is today mainstream. It’s the underlying theme of Eve Ensler’s girls-talk-dirty Vagina Monologues, performed every year on Valentine’s Day on college campuses across the country. A chapter from Promiscuities titled “Sluts” has made so many women’s studies reading lists that term-paper mills sell canned essays purporting to dissect it.”

    • stephen says:

      04:41pm | 11/01/12

      Why some call others ‘sluts’ is because they are jealous : they know that mostly such a person uses sex as a reason to discard a childhood, (for whatever reasons, and sex, thus, is only a method) and such accusers know instinctively that sluts have more friends, (i’m not trying to be funny) and more friends equals more luck.
      Ever noticed that the luckiest people have lots of friends ? It’s true.
      Everybody would like more sex. (Tony Abbott’s front bench should be so lucky), and a word thrown at another like ‘slut’, should be understood like a word such as, say, at worst, a social-trope.

      And Naomi Wolf write too much.

    • blue stocking says:

      11:03am | 11/01/12

      Great article. The Deborah Hutton front page made my blood boil.
      A more typical middle aged woman’s body on the front page wouldn’t sell a single mag. Deborah Hutton, a woman whose entire existence depends on the beauty industry, has a better body than most 20 year olds i know.
      How is that helping in any way to spread acceptance of middle aged women’s bodies?
      All these women getting their gear off for the cameras with the noble ambition of racking up women’s lib points are really just helping to ramp up magazine sales.

    • Wickerman says:

      11:04am | 11/01/12

      Depends on what they are trying to achieve. If the goal is to be considered sexy, despite body shape/size/age etc., then for me, that is already been achieved. An overweight/bland/normal looking woman who is yet fun to be with (in & out of the bedroom) will trump a classically sexy yet vapid sourpuss every time. One measure (but NOT definitive) of how non “classical sexy” women are attractive to men, look at the number of BBW, MILF, GILF etc. pr0n sites there are out there. Or have I gone off topic?

      Also +1 to Middle-aged-grump comments.

    • Bern says:

      11:06am | 11/01/12

      And who really wants to look at naked women on the front cover of the Women’s Weekly? This is a desperate act to sell magazines. They have lost me until they clean up their act.

    • nossy says:

      11:20am | 11/01/12

      @Bern   it works Bern - i bought my copy this morning and turned straight to the sealed sectiom mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    • stephen says:

      04:19pm | 11/01/12

      Well, what does your wife say ?

    • Kim says:

      11:07am | 11/01/12

      Tracey, I think you make some good points in your article - and it’s by no means a secret that we have a long way to go when promoting healthy body image in women. What I find uncomfortable though, is the fact that women don’t seem to be allowed to want to look good, let alone actually look as great as Deb Hutton at 50. There is such hysteria around this issue, that it seems you can’t even comment on how a woman looks, for fear that you’re making the statement that her attractiveness is all she has to offer. I think women need to be given more credit. I think Deb looks beautiful and natural. Yes, she has a trainer and perhaps more money and time than the average woman, but I think I am smart enough to recognise that and understand that she might have more resources available to commit to keeping fit than I do. And that’s life. As women, we are outraged at the sight of women in magazines that have been photoshopped to within an inch of their lives, and plead to see something ‘real’. And when we get it (Deb Hutton said she had some sunspots removed in her picture), we still don’t like it. Deb comes across in the article as a warm, genuine person, but god forbid she be proud of her body too.  Some common sense and perspective is needed in this ( seemingly perpetual) argument. I am not outraged. Good on you, Deb.

    • Hard Working Sister says:

      11:14am | 11/01/12

      Sorry to say this but I know of at least one woman who used to take her clothes off for a living and has manged to snare a man worth tens of millions and now ‘lapping’ it up in a mansion on the other side of the Yarra doing nothing other than living off him, going on holidays he pays for and resting her globe-trekking feet while the maid that he pays for, keeps the home blissfully clean. Meanhwile, the ‘sisters’ who focused on all things ‘self-respect’ (education, respectable jobs, etc) , ( work really hard for a living, are expected to contribute financially to a marriage/relationship and perform 99% percent of the home chores - no maids in sight. Now, say what you will but I think the naked lass is actually smarter than the lot of us and you know what? I for one, take my hat off to her! Living the life of luxury because she dared to take her gear off to find a wealthy sucker. Good on her! As for Deborah Hutton, I think she looks fantastic and am not at all offended by the picture. Very tasteful ineed. I wonder if it would have been better received by the public if she were the subject of an Annie Liebovitz shoot?  Enough now, back to the grind for this sister.

    • Miles says:

      11:59am | 11/01/12

      Yes, but the moment her looks start to fade, the wealthy ‘sucker’ will replace her with a younger model.  He will always have his cash - infact it will likely grow.  She, on the other hand, will only have her looks for so long…

    • Catatonic says:

      09:41am | 12/01/12

      ... and half of everything after the divorce.
      Seriouly, people, this whole “pretty women get everything given to them on silver platter” says far more about shallowness of men than it does about shalloness of women.

    • LaDiva says:

      11:16am | 11/01/12

      Forget George Calombaris. How about a naked cover shoot of Manu Feidel? Now THAT would be a sight for sore eyes! YEEHAA!

    • kitteh says:

      11:18am | 11/01/12

      I was busily composing a post pointing out that you won’t see women with genuine achievements - Fiona Stanley, Fiona Wood etc - getting their kit off in the name of the ‘sisterhood’, as their work makes the statement that matters. Then it occurred to me that you don’t see Barry Marshall poncing it up on the cover of Men’s Health either.

      The issue is not that women cut each other down but that our society places a ridiculous value on how we look rather than what we do and who we are. In terms of looks, Deborah Hutton trumps most 50 year old women - but really, what has she done compared to a 50-year-old nurse, counsellor, or lifetime volunteer of either sex?

      Those that claim ‘she has every right to be proud of her body and the work that went into it’ are correct, but let’s not pretend that it is something she has done for the benefit of anyone but Deborah Hutton. Let’s also not pretend that looking hot is a noble achievement in and of itself. You can’t even hold it up as the essence of healthy living - Kate Moss is hot, but her heart health probably isn’t after a lifetime of smoking and drugs.

      Rather than cutting each other down because we don’t measure up physically, we should be rewarding those that really contribute. When I see Catherine Hamlin and her late husband Reg (look them up) on the cover of a magazine, then we’ll really be contributing to self image where it counts.

    • AdamC says:

      12:04pm | 11/01/12

      “The issue is not that women cut each other down but that our society places a ridiculous value on how we look rather than what we do and who we are.”

      Actually, women cutting each other down is the issue. The looks thing just enables the bitchiness. If ‘society’ was really so obsessed with how women look, we wouldn’t be in the midst of an obesity epidemic. Obesity aint attractive, trust me. The fact is, many women don’t so much care about looking good, but looking better than other women. And, if another woman looks better than them, they must be an anorexic nymphomaniac with a pethidine addiction who has been photoshopped. (That, or she’s just not a ‘real’ woman, whatever that means.)

    • Paul C says:

      11:33am | 11/01/12

      How can putting a glamorous, airbrushed middle aged woman on the cover help some fugly women’s image?

    • Dee says:

      11:33am | 11/01/12

      Why do we all get so upset about a woman making use of her assets? Would David Beckham be as wealthy and famous as he is if he didn’t look the way he does - and leverage it?
      Deborah Hutton is a beautiful woman and if she’s figured out how to use this to get ahead, then good on her. We all have specific skills, abilities or looks that we have been blessed with and the best thing we can do is make good and full use of them.
      Instead of knocking people down, rather take a leaf out of their book, make the best use of what you’ve been given, applaud those who do and we’ll all be a lot happier.

    • Surely says:

      02:48pm | 11/01/12

      David Beckham never pretended he was in his underwear to make men feel better about their bodies

    • Martin says:

      11:34am | 11/01/12

      Talk to a vision impaired or blind-since-birth person and you’ll gain a whole new perspective on people perception using all the senses minus sight whereby looks are taken out of the equation.

    • The Boogie Woman says:

      11:35am | 11/01/12

      I would rather hear the thoughts and ideas of women than see their bodies. That’s why I secretly support the idea of ‘the veil’ (loose fitting garments that cover skin and hide the shape).

      It takes the body out of the equation but we in the West are so busy reacting hysterically that we don’t stop to think what a great idea it is.

    • Al says:

      01:03pm | 11/01/12

      No problems with the veil as long as the person can be positively identified (such as having face revealed) in case they need to be identfied in the course of an official investigation.
      Either that or allow anyone who choses to go around and be completely unidentifiable to any potential witnesses.

    • Dave says:

      05:22pm | 11/01/12

      I am an expat in a Muslim country. You miss the whole point.  When you say you secretly support the idea of a veil do you mean that it is voluntary or compulsory.  BIG BIG difference.  And actually no one is stopping you wearing a burka now - so why dont you. In these Muslim countries the younger better looking girls yearn to be allowed to dress normally, so it does not solve the problem you want unless it is complulsory.

    • fairsfair says:

      11:44am | 11/01/12

      What I am most concerned about is that they didn’t even throw a towel down on that chair…

    • bec says:

      11:50am | 11/01/12

      What you don’t see, fairs, is the tub of babywipes they conveniently airbrushed out.

    • Barge Arse says:

      09:36pm | 11/01/12

      @Fairs, bet you wish you were a chair grin

    • Farken says:

      11:51am | 11/01/12

      Generally, men don’t feel the need to take off their clothes for the cover of a magazine. So why do some women? because they are attention whores is why

    • Sharon says:

      12:52pm | 17/01/12

      I wonder Farkin, have you ever ‘read’ a naughty mag? If you have then perhaps you should show a little more gratitude to the attention seeking whores in our society.

    • daniel says:

      12:06pm | 11/01/12

      Maybe it doesn’t represent a modern middle aged body, but it certainly represents a traditional human middle aged body. Humans used to the fit throughout their lives.

    • Luigi says:

      12:11pm | 11/01/12

      Narcissism is rife.

    • MarkS says:

      12:13pm | 11/01/12

      From a personal viewpoint, I wish to see more good looking women around my age on magazine covers. The teenagers they normally have make me feel creepy when I enjoy looking at them.

    • Kate says:

      01:06pm | 11/01/12

      Excellent point MarkS

    • Fog Badger says:

      12:24pm | 11/01/12

      The teeth & mouth seem detached from the head, as does the head from the body.

    • Con Postilitis says:

      12:27pm | 11/01/12

      Why on earth would anyone want to see a fat fish & chip cook in the nude ?

    • St. Michael says:

      01:18pm | 11/01/12

      Go to Google, type in the letters ‘BBW’, and you’ll see.

    • stephen says:

      03:21pm | 11/01/12

      Yeah thanks Mick ... now I want to see a fat fish and chip cook in the fryer.
      ‘Would anyone like a dim-sim ?’

    • Barge Arse says:

      09:31pm | 11/01/12

      Who? Pauline Hanson!!!

    • Truthdoctor says:

      01:04pm | 11/01/12

      The intelligent male is all too aware that modern Australian women hate each other, which makes them awful dramatic, unstable partners. Female camaraderie or ‘The Sisterhood’ as it’s better known, is the greatest myth in modern history. Where it exists you have beautiful supported women. In Australia you have all out war from age 7.

      An Australian females single aim in life is to be ‘better’ that her friends. End.

      How do I know? I am the sole male in a family of 8 women. A more fraught, destructive, comical, tear stained, maelstrom of perfume fuelled emotional madness it’s not possible to find. I’ve seen and heard it all. My role as senior diplomat brokered more peace deals that the UN.

      Girls: Want to find out how good your girlfriends are? Lose 15kg in weight and watch them all cut you off or bag you out.

      That’s Aussie women. Those who deny this are bare faced liars. Haters all of them, some are just better at hiding it that others. They pass this down from generation to generation.

      Ask a 17 year old Aussie girl about which of her mates is prettiest and sit back in amazement. Bile. Twisted angry bile.

      Aussie girl on her wedding day? Wow just wow. Guys, that’s when you find out how badly you’ve screwed up.

      I married a German. The idea of spending my life with another Aussie female made me think dark thoughts.

      Aussie girl: “Babe you look AMAZING.”

      Cue 1hr bitch session about the poor girls top/size/life/BF/family

      Hideous.

    • St. Michael says:

      02:52pm | 11/01/12

      “Ask a 17 year old Aussie girl about which of her mates is prettiest and sit back in amazement. Bile. Twisted angry bile.”

      ...you regard a 17 year old’s opinion as a reliable indicator of either a well-informed or unemotional comment on how women from 8-80 behave?

      Ask a 17 year old male with a Subaru WRX what he thinks the sexual preferences are of his contemporaries who drive Ford Falcons.

      As for living in a houseful of 8 females: ask a guy living with 8 brothers what he thought of his early life, and you’ll find similar chaos, albeit expressed in different ways.  It’s the overcrowding that’s the problem, not the gender.

    • Samantha says:

      01:27pm | 11/01/12

      Lets be honest here people both sexes when looking for a mate have specific criteria and being “attractive” is definitely one of them. I have seen wonderful women who are “tea pots” but have a career, are intelligent, funny and extremely sociable plus financially responsible and secure, BUT, because they do not fit the “look” that men find attractive (and I am aware that beauty is in the eye of the beholder) they have rarely ever been approached by men for a “date”. These women just get on wth life knowing that they have to make sure that they are happy human beings and accept that from natures point of view no-one wants to procreate with their gene pool (its a painful acknowledgement becuase everyone wants to share their lives with someone special).

      Its all about nature and the old savanna theory. Unfortunately these days it is so much in your face that beauty is the most important criteria.

    • timbo says:

      01:33pm | 11/01/12

      Scrape off the crust of civilisation and you basically find that both sexes are still dancing away merrily to the beat of our primordial drums.  Women often make disparaging jokes about how superficial men are when it comes to assessing what makes a woman attractive, noting that they never go beyond physical attraction/attributes. Yet most women invest an inordinate amount of time, money, energy - not to mention persona anxiety - tending to their looks, whether it be to appear physically appealing to men, or for the sake a fragile self-esteem based on beauty. On the flip side men can be just as insecure and women also incredibly superficial, despite all the scoffing to the contrary - it just takes different paths. Men’s zone of insecurity is their status/job/wealth, which ties directly into the ‘cave-provider’ mentality that drives many women to look past everything a man has to offer personally and zero in of financial blanket of security he can provide - doesn’t seem to matter how successful a woman is, because by and large they either aim up, or at least for parity, when it comes to pairing up. Not for nothing is it that women by and large are the ones who thrown labels like ‘loser’ around when assessing men, just as men have a tendency to quickly dismiss a woman because she doesn’t tick the appropriate boxes on physical attraction. So basically, despite all the civilised veneers, our genetic codex still pulls our strings in one fashion or another, and both sexes are just as guilty as each other when it comes to our raging insecurities and shallowness in regard to each other.

      PS - Does anyone have Deborah Hutton’s number?

    • Cate says:

      01:38pm | 11/01/12

      Keep you gear on everybody.  Going bare does nothing for your image or your modesty.

    • St. Michael says:

      01:46pm | 11/01/12

      ...but how do I take my shower?

    • Markus says:

      04:53pm | 11/01/12

      Shower Shortz - for the man who has nothing to hide, but still wants to.

    • Michael says:

      01:40pm | 11/01/12

      There are plenty of good looking middle aged men & women out there, there is no need to bitch if you think someone looks better than yourself. The question is, What are you going to do about it? Being fit and healthy takes more effort that going to the fridge from the telly for more wine/chocolate/beer. The beauty products advertised in the magazine with the tight 16 yo on the cover, will not hide the huge lumpy thighs or the gut sitting on you lap. What you do is up to you, and you only, face up to it.

    • Snake says:

      12:02pm | 12/01/12

      Michael, your comment is full of winning. Charlie Sheen would be proud.

    • Mark says:

      02:00pm | 11/01/12

      This has nothing to do with objectification or feminism and everything to do with money. If these ladies weren’t getting paid significant amounts for nude cover shots- they wouldn’t do it. Simple as that! There are no differences in the attitudes of men and women, money is the only denominator in the Western World. So, in essence, these ladies on the covers are “living the female dream”- do nothing, get paid. That is the life goal of a significant number of my female friends. My male friends, on the other hand- Get rich, get hot wife, get hotter/younger mistress.. Not so different goals in the end are they.

    • HeatherG says:

      02:14pm | 11/01/12

      I find it ironic that the link for this article on news.com.au was just to the right of a large photograph-Entertainment News headline with the tag “who’s got the hottest body.” The photograph was just of a woman’s torso.

      I don’t mind if people want to take their clothes off, but the industry dehumanising people in that way (male OR female)—seeing only their meat, not even their faces—is not so great. The implication there is not just judging on looks rather than personality, but also that the meat doesn’t have a personality.

    • Sarah says:

      02:37pm | 11/01/12

      If a woman works hard to look good whats so wrong with recognising that too? Hot women can be just as intelligent as some overweight woman that claims not to care about appearance. Besides,the latter to me is just an example of being lazy. You can be both! To me that’s more empowering.

    • That quiet guy in the cubicle says:

      03:52pm | 11/01/12

      “If a woman works hard to look good whats so wrong with recognising that too?”

      Nothing, accept when her not-as-attractive female colleagues have a go at her (by downplaying her achievements and spreading rumors about her). Unless this hot + intelligent lady has her wits about her 24/7 and a strong backing from other colleagues at her workplace; her beauty paints a target on her back. Have you seen office politics before? Oh those backstabbing, two-faced harpies…

    • Zopo says:

      03:18pm | 11/01/12

      To see how shallow women can be try and meet a girl when you are bald and tell me if inner beauty has a chance?

    • Leah says:

      04:44pm | 11/01/12

      I know a guy who was going bald by 19. He’s now 28 and been married for 7 years and has two children. Or how about my brother-in-law who is 24 and going bald and is engaged? Women generally don’t care about a guy’s hair.

    • timbo59 says:

      01:52am | 12/01/12

      @Leah. Oh Please! Go to any singles site online and look up the ads for women seeking men. Then note how many of the posters specify ‘must have own head of hair’.

    • Reed says:

      04:48pm | 17/01/12

      Yep, my hubby is 30 and has been balding since his early 20s. I find it incredibly sexy and masculine, and I wouldn’t care if he had no hair left on his head! Jason Statham anyone??

    • Rob says:

      04:07pm | 11/01/12

      People are judged on appearances. This isnt news, and if someone claims it is, they’re kidding themselves. We live in a shallow world. And I’m not talking only about women - men are judged shallowly just the same, although against other criteria.

      As for my own personal views; why not celebrate womens beauty? I like seeing a beautiful woman - its not hard to grasp. I also appreciate that same woman all the more if I’m given half a snowflakes chance in hell to speak with her to see that she has a brilliant mind as well.

      Why should we pretend that appearances mean nothing, and that we should cater to the lowest common denominator? About a million years of evolution have taught us to pursue beautiful women, only to see the last 50 years or so of feminism confuse the hell out of the men folk and attempt to immasculate them.

      Do women REALLY want metrosexual men?

    • Dementer says:

      04:29pm | 11/01/12

      Jealousy is a beast that comes in all shapes and sizes

    • Leah says:

      04:42pm | 11/01/12

      Wow, I used to admire her for her work with promoting adoption, but those comments make her sound really self-absorbed and up herself.

    • mysogyman says:

      05:23pm | 11/01/12

      I love looking at naked women but 99% of the time it erodes my respect for them and strengthens stereotypes of them being for the purpose of serving the male.

    • the digger says:

      05:56pm | 11/01/12

      hey guys, deborah hutton doesn’t really look that.  just sayin’.  that’s a lot of photoshop.

    • the beautiful girl says:

      06:01pm | 11/01/12

      she cannot affordclothes. thats how she got skin cancer  

      she cannot afford clothes
      she is perfection with excellence in mind,beauty, and personality

    • Whatever says:

      06:01pm | 11/01/12

      Um, Tracey, you’re perpetuating the attitudes that you want gone.  Hows about you don’t make such a fuss?

      My personal view is that the world shouldn’t go into such forore over a naked woman.  Everyone has nipples, they’re nothing special.  Everyone has an arse, that’s nothing special either.  Fifty per cent of the population - of every species - has female plumbing.  Why on earth does everyone make such a big deal about a naked woman?  The female body is seriously overhyped, no wonder so many men are scared of it.  When really, it’s just normal and boring.  So she’s naked.  So was I this morning.  Big woop.

    • Elsa says:

      09:10pm | 11/01/12

      Just wondering why mags like Penthouse and Playboy aren’t full of women like Julie Goodwin, Magda or Rebel Wilson ..... We keep getting told that men love ‘real’ women yet we are bombarded with female ‘perfection’ at every turn. Promotion girls, Indy girls, cheerleaders you name it. No fat chicks allowed. Or unattractive.
      Men are hypocrites.

    • Magnet says:

      10:40pm | 11/01/12

      Tracey Spicer, I will never look at you the same way again. Good on you.
      The whole narcissistic obsession that the mainstream media creates about how females look, is mere subjugation - it’s so we buy the myth of marriage, reproduction and the mindless pursuit of lerv, instead of developing our minds. It’s so we don’t question our goals enough, we don’t get empowered and we don’t learn - we’re in a little patriarchal media mousey wheel of life. It’s so we buy the cosmetics, clothing, exercise equipment etc etc ad naus. that will drive the collective “us” to these mindless role models. Does anyone with a brain really want to watch a program that calls people who are fat -” losers,” it’s denigrating and shameful - it’s a mindless distraction from the important things that are happening in our world.
      But we as women are empowered enough to turn that telly off, to take the dog for a walk instead, or read a book instead of a stupid, sexist magazine - we have the power to choose our society’s values with our own consumer choices.

    • Melle says:

      11:09pm | 11/01/12

      This naked woman is probably a lovely person.
      But she looks a bit odd, all scrunched up like that -  minus clothes.
      Her face?  Could belong to a nice-looking man.

      Anyway, she’s too old to be “posing coy”.

    • P. Thornton says:

      02:26am | 12/01/12

      Did anyone else notice that the above poster named dogbolter, after banging on about her tech savvy ways that have/will, no doubt, secure future security in all areas of her life, also double posted? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Luddite…

    • Pat says:

      03:54am | 12/01/12

      Elsa: “Men are hypocrites”.  andd in another comment you make “We keep getting told that men love ‘real’ women yet we are bombarded with female ‘perfection’ at every turn”

      I kindly suggest such comments seems to mirror some form of intimidation,  During my entire life I have tried to figure out what a ‘real woman’ was,,,,,,,,,,,,but then again , I made the choice even as a kid to be gay and never become involved with them. Granted, either sex will at times put the other sex down, Though when it comes to really putting the boots in, intriguing women can and will cut other women down with a stealthful, sly efficency which men cannot even ever start to compete with. One can stand back and see the formidable means a woman can use; and do at times to influence men. Everything from - playing the demanding,  discontented bitch caper (and forever blaming it on ‘the cycle’ ) to the ‘poor little me sob’ routine- and still be classed as a real woman. And then, get fellow sisters to support and commiserate with her. If a man enacted such an identical range of emotions, other men would judge him -  as everything , from a complete nasty utter bastard not worth knowing, to that of being a sooky wimp, As for the ‘perfection type’ - ‘Indy bimbos and cheer leader types’ that you mention, I suggest it is a false argument against men,  based upon both a degree of ‘projection and transference’  Have you not worked out that sensible men realize ‘glamor dollies’ are good to have a quick fantasy about, nothing more ? Most men - unlike a lot of women - do not get pre-occupied and consumed with ‘body envy’ - by strenuously comparing their own physiques. Medical facts prove that the greatest percentage of conditions caused by dieting,  occur in females. Men also generally see ’ pretty bimbos’  as ambitious , knowing ‘high maintainence types’  (with all the baggage that can bring and entail down the line to a male) .....which threatens the bejesus - the inner security - out of a lot of sensible guys. .

    • Matt says:

      09:59am | 12/01/12

      Great article Tracey, you hit the nail on the head, and I love your inspiration poem. Thumbs up all round.

    • Joan Bennett says:

      12:16pm | 12/01/12

      The only reason men are starting to be judged on appearance now, is the corporates realise there is a big gap in the market.  Think how much more money they can make selling all this cr*p that is supposed to improve your “looks” to the other half of the population.  People spend more money when they are unhappy and the best way to make people feel like sh*t is to objectify them.  You can say someone is not a good person and they’re like “whatever!”, but treat them like they are not a living being with thoughts and feelings etc for long enough and you will mess them up.  Before contraception, women were slaves to their biological functions (ie having to breed heaps), so the idea was they were purely physical.  Now that women have control over this with contraception and are doing more things in the working world, those clever marketers had to come up with another demographic to put down and, in turn, squeeze more dollars out of.  Simple, really…

    • Christo says:

      10:20am | 17/01/12

      Women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street with a bald head and a beer gut and still think they are dead sexy.

 

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