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Emma Jane

by Emma Jane

08 Mar 05:45am

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Ever wondered about the origins of all that stuff you’re wearing and eating? Australian school kiddies have. And – according to new research – gazillions of ‘em think cotton socks come from animals and yoghurt comes from plants.

The world according to the yoof of today. Pic: Digitally altered

Since this jaw-dropping news broke on Monday, the international commentariat has erupted with mighty geysers of parent-bashing, school-bashing and just a little bit of (metaphorical) youth-of-today-bashing.

Certainly I shudder to think from what part of a cow, sheep or hirsutely testicled boar a schoolchild thinks it is possible to extract a pair of socks. And what about these yoghurt trees? Growing alongside the butter bushes, custard vines and cheese slice plantations, are they?

But while tch tch-ing about student ignorance is always enjoyable, the awkward truth is that no child is going to be knowledgeable about the make-up of modern food unless they also happen to be an industrial chemist.

Inspect the ingredient lists of your grocery items and you’ll see that, in many cases, the numerals outnumber the words.

Right this minute I am reading the fine print on the side of my new box of lightly crumbed frozen calamari rings and I have absolutely no idea where they came from.

The wavy blue box design and drawing of an octopus makes me want to say “ocean”. But what of the full 50 per cent of this product which turns out to be not squid? The acidity regulators 450 and 451? The flavour enhancers 627 and 631? The thickeners 1420, 1422 and 1414?

Children – and also grown adults – could be forgiven for thinking such products are actually harvested from late blooming calculators.

Equally mystifying are the origins of my creamy ricotta cheese pastizzis which claim they are proudly handmade according an authentic recipe.

Their constituent parts, however, include acidity regulators, ascorbyl palmitate and tocopherols concentrate from soy. Call me old fashioned but I don’t remember the last time any of my authentic Italian recipes called for a cup of di-glycerides of fatty esters.

Interestingly enough, my low-fat, low-sugar yoghurt with the “no added artificial colours or flavours” label has the most inscrutable contents page of the lot.

It is chock full of the goodness of preservative 200, mineral salts 341 and 452, sweeteners 951 and 950, acidity regulators 330 and 331, natural colours numbers 160a and 120, as well as thickeners 1442, 440, 406 and let’s not forget scrummy 410.

“No added food” is a more accurate descriptor. Just as the correct answer to the “where is yoghurt from?” question should be “vaguely adjacent to the idea of a cow”.

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    • TChong says:

      05:23am | 08/03/12

      This “survey” of a whopping 300 kids is just a “woe is me” stunt from the farmers union.

      Reply

    • sittingoverhere says:

      08:56am | 08/03/12

      I was just about to comment on the sample size. Glad that someone beat me to it.

    • Jack says:

      09:16am | 08/03/12

      There are around 3.1m children’ in Australia, where we define them as being between 8 and 18 years old. Given that, at a 95% CL and 5% CI, that sample size isn’t actually as inadequate as most battlers think.

      Of course, it is still a stupid biased survey by a group of self interested douchebags.


      (also, they are focusing too much on the first four and less on the important things: “More Year 10 students correctly identified the origins of pasta, cotton socks, scrambled eggs, yoghurt and pearl necklaces.”)

    • TheFarmer says:

      09:48am | 08/03/12

      The survey was done by Australian Council for Educational Research, not a farming group. 

      Also how did you come up with 300 kids.  I get 900 which is the nearly the same sort of number they use for a nielsen poll.

      Quote from article “in total, the research surveyed 900 rural and urban students from 61 schools across the states over almost four months to last October. There were no participants from the ACT or the Northern Territory but 22 primary teachers and 31 secondary teachers took part”

    • Jack says:

      10:07am | 08/03/12

      He came up with ‘300 kids’ because the Tele article says ‘The survey interviewed 150 Year 6 students and 150 Year 10 students in schools across Australia’.

      Reading the Sky News article on the same topic and you get a vastly different picture.

      And as for ‘it was done by ACER’, you leave out the part where it was commissioned by… the Primary Industries Education FOundation. Aka, the NFF having another whinge.

    • LaDiva says:

      12:34pm | 08/03/12

      Pearl necklaces?

      Never mind.

    • acotrel says:

      05:41am | 08/03/12

      I wonder why so much preservative is added to our food? Anyone with a heart condition knows to stay away from party pies, unrefrigerated orange juice and Brown Bros Crouchen and Riesling.  It is added to almost everything.  The other thing I wonder about is why Coca Cola is always sweetened.  Some of us hate sweet shit ! If it is not sucrose that is added , it is sorbitol or saccharine - whatever, it is disgusting.

      Reply

    • marley says:

      06:19am | 08/03/12

      I suspect preservatives are added to foods to, well, preserve them.  To keep them from going bad.  Anyway, if you’ve got a heart condition and eat party pies, I reckon the fat in the pies will get you long before the preservatives do.

      As for Coca Cola, it’s supposed to be sweet.  Its full of sucrose and fructose and always has been. If you don’t like"sweet shit” why would you drink something specifically made to give you a sugar hit?  Drink lemonade or something instead.

    • Trumpster says:

      07:10am | 08/03/12

      To stop it from killing you.

    • Sarah says:

      09:01am | 08/03/12

      Hi Acotrel

      My flatmate adores Brown Brothers Crouchen Riesling.
      I personally gag everytime I can smell it.

      I’m curious though - why is it bad for people with a heart condition?

    • Kheiron says:

      12:02pm | 08/03/12

      I think people often mistakenly believe such food additives are chemically concocted synthetics that are harmful to eat.
      Preservative 260 ,though, is acetic acid which could be present with the addition of vinegar.
      300 is ascorbic acid, an anti-oxidant also known as Vitamin C.

      Plus I can guarantee people wouldn’t eat pork without sulphur. No-one likes to eat grey meat.
      Even your salt shaker wouldn’t work without an anti caking agent.

    • Anubis says:

      02:01pm | 08/03/12

      I remember reading an article a while back (can’t remember the source) where undertakers commented that they have been able to reduce the amount of embalming fluids they need to use because bodies no longer decompse as rapidly as they used to. Apparently this is a result of the sheer quantity of preservatives now present in the foods we eat.

    • Reality Girl says:

      03:35pm | 08/03/12

      spot on acotrel,

      they add preservative because most things are laced with enormous amounts of sugar instead of preserving things with vinegar like they used to do

      you are so wrong marley, the sugar and additives in the party pies will kill you before the fat does, that is the whole tragedy of modern food, we are eating more and more low fat, high sugar products and guess what, getting more and more obese but because sugar is so cheap, the food manufacturers keep dishing it out to us in record amounts and then marketing the shit out their low fat products.

      Obviously, you don’t want to live on just fat, however, sugar is way more insidiously dangerous

      although acotrel, marley is right there are other bubbly options to be drunk without sugar, soda water and mineral water come to mind

      khieron, you may be right that some food additives are not bad for you and i know it is now illegal not to list them on the labels, however, couldn’t manufacturers list them in a way that the non scientific can read, lets face it, they are not all harmless things like vinegar, 621 for instance is msg but they won’t list that any more cause it has such a bad rap, so let’s be honest, for every nice additive, there are probably two or three nasties in there

      now to the point of the survey, whoever funded it in the first place, don’t you think it a little worrying folks that our kids are getting such a shitty education that they don’t know cotton is a plant and dairy comes from cows, i mean, we teach them to be politically correct but we don’t teach them the basics about what they are eating or where they are living, any survey calling for better education has to be a good thing don’t you think

    • Craig says:

      05:50am | 08/03/12

      Yoghurt is actually bacteria poo.

      Reply

    • ronny jonny says:

      06:29am | 08/03/12

      Here’s an idea, stop buying food that comes in boxes or cans or is “fresh” frozen. Buy the ingredients and make it yourself. Buying a cardboard box of frozen “squid” and then complaining about it pretty dumb. Buy yourself some squid and bread and make your own, it is very quick, simple and easy. I notice that a lot of the packaged foods these days are things which are actually very easy to make yourself. What does this say about us? Are we too lazy or stupid to make cheesey maccaroni? Or chips? Or fry a piece of fish? Don’t blame the manufacturer, they are giving you what you want. last time I looked you could still buy meat and veggies in the shop.

      Reply

    • marley says:

      07:31am | 08/03/12

      Yeah, well,  my thought on reading this article was that if kids only ever see squid in freeze packs and yogurt in neat little tubs with the berries mixed in, its no wonder they think milk comes from cartons and not cows and socks grow on bushes in the wild.

      And if you have difficulty explaining to your child what all the additives he’s eating really are, perhaps you should consider preparing food that doesn’t actually have additives in them.  It’s quite surprising really, how few additives there are in tomato pasta made with fresh cherry tomatoes and a bit of olive oil, or in fresh squid breaded at home and pan fried, or in natural yogurt you make yourself.

    • Mahhrat says:

      06:31am | 08/03/12

      And this is why you balance your work life to allow you the time to make everything yourself.

      If only chips weren’t so damn tasty ...

      Reply

    • ronny jonny says:

      07:05am | 08/03/12

      I find it is quicker to make something at home in my own kitchen that to drive to a take away shop, wait around and then drive home and eat it. It is very easy to produce a healthy, tasty meal in less than 20 minutes.

    • James1 says:

      08:31am | 08/03/12

      That’s why you call ahead before you go to the takeaway, ronny.

    • ronny jonny says:

      08:51am | 08/03/12

      But doesn’t it go soggy while it’s sitting waiting for you?

    • James1 says:

      09:29am | 08/03/12

      Not if your departure is well timed.  You get the hang of it after a few trips.

    • Mahhrat says:

      12:13pm | 08/03/12

      What amazes me is that there isn’t more non-pizza delivery shops in the Hobart area.  You’d think we’d do a roaring trade in home-delivered take out like Asian etc, but apparently not!

    • Markus says:

      09:38am | 09/03/12

      Mahhrat you’re missing out big time.
      I live in the burbs but can think of about 10 Asian places (Thai, Viet, Chinese, Indian) in a 2k radius.
      All but one deliver, and I’ll let them slide because they’re about 100m walk from my place.

    • ronny jonny says:

      06:40am | 08/03/12

      My dad worked in a milk factory for 26 years and he refused to eat yoghurt, saying it was nothing but off milk. Ahh dad, you funny old man

      Reply

    • SteveKAG says:

      06:47am | 08/03/12

      “the awkward truth is that no child is going to be knowledgeable about the make-up of modern food unless they also happen to be an industrial chemist.”

      So you need to be an industrial chemist to teach your kids where cotton and yoghurt are from?  Seriously!

      Reply

    • marley says:

      07:36am | 08/03/12

      I think the point might be, that she’s not talking about “modern food” but about “packaged food.”  Modern vegetables, grown in soil, aren’t all that different from their counterparts of 50 years ago.  A piece of dory today is probably pretty much like a piece of dory my grandfather ate.  But if you’re going to rely on the contents of the freezer section of the supermarket, well then yes, you probably do need to be a chemist.

    • SteveKAG says:

      10:26am | 08/03/12

      Unlike Stephen Smith, this Steve can admit when he is wrong and i admit i made an error in posting this, i wish to thank Marley for showing my the stupidity (yes sheer dumbness on my part) of putting in a post like this and unreservedly apologise to the author for misrepresenting the intent of the article.  If it was anyone else beside spunk rat Emma Jane I am not sure i would be this forth coming though, is that ok to say this on internation womens day?........anyway side tracked.  Marley you are right and i retract.

    • marley says:

      11:17am | 08/03/12

      @SteveKAG - umm, I wasn’t arguing with you but with Emma Jane and her concept of “modern food.”  I think if you see food as something that comes in a package, her article makes sense - otherwise, it doesn’t and you’re entirely right.

    • maureen askham says:

      07:06am | 08/03/12

      Few journalists or others will bother to examine critically the terms of reference for the ADF ‘Abuse’ inquiry. Instead they will focus on the headlines. Sexual abuse is a very charged term and so is abuse. They have powerful impact. To most reasonable people there is a vast chasm between abuse and harassment or improper conduct. Abuse is many orders of magnitude higher than minor harassment. Many people will get the impression from media headlines that there were 775 cases of very serious misconduct involving abuse, possibly sexual. Instead the terms of reference define as abuse the following: ‘sexual and other abuse—such as bullying, harassment or intimidation—(and related matters) in Defence‘. Very very broad. Related matter? Harassment can include not promoting someone if there is a mere allegation of unfairness. Hands up anyone who has been in a workplace over the last 60 years in which there has not been an incident. The term harassment has been expanded over the last decade or two to include most forms of improper conduct. In one fell swoop minor workplace misconduct becomes abuse. This is disgraceful! It is disgraceful that our media do not scrutinise this attempt to smear the reputation of our ADF.  Yes defense should be held accountable. Yes its culture should be scrutinized. No it should not be subject to a gender jihad or witch hunt. If Israel bombs Iran and we have a serious war we will be putting our lives in these people’s hands. Many experts think Smith is simply not up to the job. The biggest irony? Smith’s treatment of Kafer would probably be considered abuse by the terms of reference. Perhaps someone should have him disciplined. But then he would never submit himself to such a broadly defined offence. Pure hypocrisy.

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    • ronny jonny says:

      07:40am | 08/03/12

      yes yes, but what has this to do with yoghurt growing on trees?

    • Blind Freddy says:

      08:34am | 08/03/12

      “Yes its culture should be scrutinized”

      I’m guessing that you must be refering to yoghurt “culture”?

    • St. Michael says:

      01:50pm | 08/03/12

      Indeed, Stephen Smith has confessed to eating Yoplait.  That completely disqualifies him for Defence.  Defence Ministers are Winston freakin’ Churchill, man.  Defence Ministers need to chew rivets and shit nails.  Defence Ministers are meant to be the epitome of Authority Equals Asskicking.  A good Defence Minister should be able to take Colonel Miles Quaaritch, mech included, with nothing but his bare hands.  Defence Ministers should be taking all their diplomacy lessons from Leo frickin’ Nidas from 300 and kick enemy ambassadors into big black pits.  If you’re Defence Minister and you can’t personally whip an entire division of your own troops into line with nothing but a piece of birch and some gaffer tape, you’re a pansy who doesn’t deserve to be in the job and who can damn well go to the back bench to quietly suck on your baby-food Yoplait along with Kevin Rudd and all his mates. smile

    • Rowdy says:

      07:11am | 08/03/12

      You mean yoghurt doesn’t grow on trees???

      Then what have I been eating every morning for the last year????

      Reply

    • ronny jonny says:

      08:54am | 08/03/12

      Birdshit.

    • Sharon says:

      07:45am | 08/03/12

      And what about those chicken nuggets, or veal parmiagana?

      Even more disturbing is the way that most parents, teachers and the food industry continue to hide the inconvenient brutal truth about factory farming, bobby calves, and slaughterhouses, lest it upset children so much that it puts them off their lamb chops and milk?

      Perhaps the education process should also include visits to these facilities? Shouldn’t children know the whole truth about where and how the food they eat arrives on the supermarket shelf?

      Our society rejoices in the sowing, nurturing and harvesting of plant foods, but clearly the same cannot be said of the truth behind animal products.

      Reply

    • Blind Freddy says:

      08:37am | 08/03/12

      I agree. The meat producers should educate the meat-eating kids and show them how sausages are made.

    • Mumma Mia says:

      09:23am | 08/03/12

      Seriously ? And at what age do you suggest we take the kiddies in to see animals being slaughtered in front of their eyes ? Perhaps it can be a kindy excursion ? And just in case they still don’t “get it”, we can make the trip to the slaughterhouse a ‘hands on’ experience aswell..you know, get them reeeaalllyyy involved !

    • ronny jonny says:

      09:31am | 08/03/12

      Sure and while we are at it get them to educate the kiddies about the environmental disaster that is monocultural vegetable and cereal farming. The land clearing, the poisons, the loss of habitat, artificial fertilisers, dear me, it goes on and on. Get over yourself vegoes.

    • Kirsty says:

      09:47am | 08/03/12

      The local primary school here takes a class to see how sausages are made every year.  In high school ag classes raise chickens or lambs and then take them off to the slaughterhouse to see how it is all done then eat the end result.  It’s quite the experience.

    • Thirsty says:

      11:25am | 08/03/12

      @Sharon
      Can we also take the little kiddies to the park to see how homeless people live, or see how carers of the disavantaged live? That way, when they grow up, they wont have a problem paying some more taxes to take care of these such people
      Or would this just be a leftie scheme dreamed up by the same poeple who want our kiddies see where their food comes from?
      Fair dinkum, we have the strongest and strictest animal husbandry rules anywhere in the world, lay off your bullshit about animal welfare, start talking about the real welfare issue facing us, fellow humans that cant care for themselves for one reason or another
      Or is it OK for humans to suffer, as long as poor Daisy the cow gets a nice warm bed of a night

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:55am | 08/03/12

      @Thirsty

      According to Kirsty it is already happening in some places- and it’s “quite the experience”.

      And your idea about educating children on homelessness etc. would also be a good idea- well done!

      Knowledge is power.

    • Kirsty says:

      01:47pm | 08/03/12

      Yes @ Blind Freddy, might be a rural thing but they have always done it around our region.  A few kids faint or get emotional but most realise that at the end of the day they will get to eat the results.

    • Al says:

      03:46pm | 08/03/12

      Just do what my father did, take them out hunting feral animals (particularly goats) and once shot have them participate in the dressing of the carcass.
      Didn’t make me vegetarian and actualy was good education on anatomy (‘so thats where the vital organs are in a goat’).
      This from the age of around 6.

    • Reality Girl says:

      04:11pm | 08/03/12

      sorry thirsty but why should a human who will do nothing to help themselves be my priority rather than the cow

      i am not a vegetarian and i do support homeless charities, however, i do care that farmers, slaughterhouses, etc try and treat animals humanely while they are in their care and i do not see why caring what happens to animals disqualifies me from caring about humans

      you can do both you know if you have enough brains to think about more than one thing throughout your lifetime

      and you are right ronny jonny, the vegos need to realise their wheat products (which make me sick) kill more animals (especially wildlife) through poisons and habitat loss than me eating a cow does so whilst humane farming and killing practices should be the norm, eating anything can lead to environmental or animal welfare concerns.

      Humans should stop rejoicing in the fact that our population is climbing, throw out religions that advocate human growth just to get more followers, put a condom on and practice a little less rejoicing in producing more little clones of themselves, if everyone stopped at two to three kids worldwide, we soon have zero population growth and then a gradual decline in human population, putting less pressure on both animal based and plant based farming practices to keep producing at mega rates

      There would also be more time and dollars available to educate children properly so they did know where yoghurt came from, what conditions animals are and should be farmed under and what sort of damage large scale crop farming does to the land and then make informed choices as teens and adults about what they want to eat

    • JC says:

      07:59am | 08/03/12

      I remember when I was sure that spaghetti grew on trees. I was 5 or 6 at the time. I learnt that this wasn’t the case. As for packaged food these day, eat it without reading the label, ignorance can be bliss smile

      Reply

    • Ally says:

      08:59am | 08/03/12

      What, it doesn’t? Next you’ll be telling me that meatballs don’t grow on trees either. That song, On Top of Spaghetti, has a lot to answer for.

    • ibast says:

      08:09am | 08/03/12

      My thoughts were “and?”.  Seriously there’s nothing new here.  My kids know because I choose to educate them in this regards, but most city kids don’t know.  It’s been that way for a few generations.

      Reply

    • marley says:

      01:45pm | 08/03/12

      I’m willing to bet they haven’t been taught where food comes from because their parents don’t know either.

    • stephen says:

      08:15am | 08/03/12

      Jalna yoghurt is OK ... well, the vanilla flavour one is anyway.
      Real vanilla, too.

      Yoplait thinks it’s real special ... it decided to withdraw advertizing from 10’s The Circle because of what those 2 said on the program 5 days ago.
      (It’s throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Now that’s Yoplait.)

      Reply

    • Tel says:

      09:19am | 08/03/12

      Pic: Digitally altered?? You gotta be kidding me!

      Reply

    • amy says:

      11:12am | 08/03/12

      so kids not knowing were food comes from is the downfall of everything? pfffffy

      granted alot of parents are lazy and cheap food is the most uneathly

      Reply

    • Jem says:

      11:49am | 08/03/12

      Wool comes from animals.  It’s not entirely strange that kids might not know cotton is a plant but wool is an animal product.  Socks are socks, why was it specifically “cotton socks”. 

      My daughter thinks money comes out of a machine, and it took a lot of convincing for her to accept that my work puts money electronically into my bank before I can take it out of the machine in the wall.  Part of a conversation as to why Mummy has to go to work - to get money.  Money comes from the hole in the wall, not work   smile

      Not sure it’s the biggest drama in the world that children have less knowledge about processes that are not commonly seen any more.  We drive past the dairy that produces the milk I buy my daughter, but I cnat’ impagine a lot of kids in urban areas can say the same thing.  Kids take what they do know and they reason things out.  Not sure I’ve ever bothered to explain how socks are manufactured - it’s not exactly earth shattering stuff that will be vitally important in her future.

      Reply

    • Jasmine says:

      01:53pm | 08/03/12

      They don’t read anything but Facebook and Google and they can’t write with a pen or pencil, either.

      Reply

    • Ginger Mick says:

      04:12pm | 08/03/12

      I could go a parmy right now!

      Reply

    • Joan Bennett says:

      06:42am | 09/03/12

      Grow your own food or buy it from an organic shop.  The fresh food section is about 3 times the size of the packet / jar section, but in supermarkets, it’s the other way around.  That way your children will understand that food doesn’t come out of packet, except in exceptional circumstances.

      Reply

    • Alan Pevie says:

      06:46am | 09/03/12

      Politicians and bureaucrats alike should be alarmed if not ashamed that they have done absolutely nothing to prevent or stop “food” manufacturers polluting what humans eat. No wonder people are sick and cancer spreads daily. Shame shame shame. Alan Pevie. Adelaide.

      Reply

    • Mariah says:

      02:47pm | 11/07/12

      ha ha hayoghurt a face mask parehps? or even a wall paint? a cement for building blocks the uses are endless!i laughed out loud my house has been cleaned to day and at approximately 4.45   fifteen minutes after my girls are home   it will be uncleaned a little less professionally and more quickly than you can imagine!

      Reply

    • Rustyglitter says:

      03:59pm | 14/07/12

      I met two food chemists once. They said that they would never eat bacon, salami, blah blah even if they were paid huge amounts of money.

      Reply
 
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