So our new Prime Minister is a working woman with no kids. What of it?

Caricature of the founder of psycoanalysis Sigmund Freud with actor Jean Harlow, 1935, by Miguel Covarrubias

Just as Gillard’s de-facto status brings into the public forum discussions about the institution of marriage, (and if you missed Bettina Arndt’s extraordinary polemic yesterday, it’s here), so too her choice to be child-free shifts the focus to working mothers.

Unfortunately, the discourse surrounding the working mother/child-free woman debate has - as these kinds of discussions often do - the potential to degenerate into a polarised argument.

Visiting scholar at the ANU School of Social Sciences and blogger, Dr Melissa McEwen, nailed it on her Godard’s Letterboxes blog post, ‘An Open Letter to The Australian Media’. 

“Career-versus-children is not a binary scenario. Let us not advance the idea that childlessness is a pre-requisite for career success, or that the only reason you would not have children is because you want a career. There are many successful women with careers who have children, and there are plenty of unsuccessful ones who don’t. People choose to have or not to have children for many reasons, and sometimes it is not a choice. Let us not create another binary which limits women and men and their opportunities. Also, not having children does not make you hostile, unsympathetic or un-empathetic towards families. And let’s face it, many of the advisors, colleagues and public servants who will surround her and advise her and support her will have families. So let’s not jump on the she-is-being-anti-family-because-she-doesn’t-have-one line if the opportunity arises.”

When Gillard appeared on Australian Story in 2006 she spoke about her choice to remain child-free. She said, “When I thought about these things I guess I thought either-or. You’re working at this intense high level or you’re having kids. And that doesn’t mean there isn’t a perfectly fine way of doing it differently. So when you watch the women around you, and Michelle’s (O’Byrne) one of them you know, Kirsten Livermore, Anna Burke, Tanya Plibersek, there are a number who are just putting together looking after kids and having great Parliamentary careers. I’m in awe of it, but for me I don’t think I could have done it like that. I can understand it all at an intellectual level and I do admire it but I think I just emotionally would have found that all very tough.”

Gillard’s response is measured, well-considered and supportive of both choices. Yet, as a working mum, simply raising the issue makes me question the choices I have made. I have that ‘either-or’ conundrum playing on high rotation as part of my own interior monologue - when I run late for the school pick up, or miss an assembly, when I bring work home, when I check emails while making dinner…or the myriad other ways I feel I drop the ball because I am spread too thin between the worlds of work and parenting. I wonder if I should have chosen one or the other. I wonder if I am doing a bad job as a mum. I wonder: Am I screwing up my kids?

And so I find myself (once more) in the realm of mother guilt. Not a nice place to be.

Thankfully though, through the happenstance of online community sharing, I have been awakened to a new wave of parenting - the Free Range Kids.

As a card carrying member of this group once said to me, “There are actually very few ways you can screw up your kids.” I thought he was simply pushing his agenda. Turns out, he might be right.

The Wall Street Journal published a piece recently which looked at several studies in order to reveal some interesting findings about the impact of parenting on economics, happiness, and the way our kids turn out.

In this piece Bryan Caplan surmises that, “Decades worth of twin and adoption research says (that) parents have a lot more room to safely maneuver than they realize, because the long-run effects of parenting on children’s outcomes are much smaller than they look.”

Caplan says behavioral geneticists have found that, “The effect of upbringing on morals is quite superficial. Parents have a strong effect on which religion and political party their kids identify with, but little on their adult behavior or outlook. Some, but not all, twin and adoption studies find that parents have a modest effect on tobacco, alcohol and drug use, juvenile delinquency, and when daughters (but not sons) start having sex.”

Wow, that’s heady stuff. Enough to make a hapless working helicopter parent loosen the apron strings a little. Maybe my kids will be okay after all, even if I miss their athletics carnival because of a deadline.

While I wholeheartedly support our new PM’s lifestyle choices - and have long supported all who choose to be child-free - it’s also a comfort to think that for those of us who have hedged our bets the news isn’t all bad.

As Caplan concludes, “Once you realize that your kids’ future largely rests in their own hands, you can give yourself a guilt-free break.”

Jayne is also the editor of Sunny Days Magazine.

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    • Eric says:

      06:16am | 30/06/10

      As more and more evidence comes to light, it becomes apparent genetics and heredity have a huge effect on human behaviour and development. The old-fashioned _tabula rasa_ theories of academics in the humanities will soon be turfed into the dustbin of history.

      So too with the feminist myth that men and women are identical in nature, but only differ due to social conditioning. In fact there is a huge genetic difference between male and female humans - one whole chromosome out of forty-six.

      Continued research will reveal much more about the innate differences between people which have hitherto been ignored for ideological reasons.

    • Erica says:

      08:41am | 30/06/10

      Of course males are different to females….that’s why we call them the opposite sex!

    • Phil says:

      09:12am | 30/06/10

      Eric. Do you set your alarm to be first in each day.

      I actually agree with part of your statement. Men and women are not equal. That doesnt mean that they should be paid less, treated any differently in a work sense, or like second class citizens. (you might have had a bad experience, and as I say often people need to look into the other person first before jumping into bed for instant gratification)

      (although if in future you watch if Abbott give it to Gillard all the feminists will be coming out of the woodwork to say he hates women, when in fact she chose a bruising career, therefore must expect to get bruised occassionally)

      I am so blessed as I have a fantastic wife who is also an awesome mother of our children, and she has many great qualities I dont. She takes great pride in her role in their life as do I. I also have some qualities my wife does not. In my opinion my daughters get the best of both worlds. A soft and caring mum and a dad to teach them about the real world, business, money, men (that part is a warning)

      I am probably a tad harder, but any punishment always comes with tons of love. Not one day does by without them feeling loved, even if I am away on business. They know they are my world, and I will do anything I can for them, but they must have respect and abide by rules.

      Our decision to have children was well thought out and planned. Hey I would love more children (wife not too keen for more) but is has not happened and I am so happy with the ones we have.

      I chose to downgrade my career just after my second was born, as I was seeing less and less of them and that did not please me. I dont want to be succesful with bad children or children who dont know their dad. It has been tough financially for a few years but we are getting back to where we were, its just that I see far more of them now than I ever could if I had stayed.

      I respect others views that for whatever reason have no children, its just that I could not imagine my life without our children.

      Personally I dont care that Ms Gillard has no children. It may effect others vote, (she wasnt getting mine nor was Rudd anyway) but it would not change my voting either way.

      My wife and I try and impart good teaching to our daughters, morals, manners, discipline, love, compassion, friendship, tolerance and acceptance to name but a few.

      I feel they will be well grounded, and any signs of getting off track are dealt with immediately not allowed to fester and become issues.

      Being a parent is the most selfish self satisfying thing I do. I love doing it. It makes you feel good, knowing they appreciate everything you do.

    • DJ says:

      09:40am | 30/06/10

      and of course Eric is first to put that feminist attack on, well done.

    • JJJ says:

      07:15am | 30/06/10

      I think all kids can be screwed up… if they choose to be. I still meet 50 year olds who blame their course in life on their childhood

      I believe that choosing NOT to have children is harder than having children if you aren’t too sure. I admire Gillard for her choice. Better to be ‘not a parent’ than a ‘not-good parent’.

    • Old Clive says:

      08:59am | 30/06/10

      Having worked with people most of my life I would say that the majority of them are not screwed up but I have to say that recently on the box I have seen a lot of screwed up people and most of them seem to be involved in politics, poor old Kevin was well and truly srewed wasn’t he, he trusted in the wrong people. He is fortunate that his wive and children stood by him and they actually looked geniune, more than I can say for a lot of the other actors on the Canberra stage.
      Persophone, where are you, I miss your educated BS.

    • T.Chong says:

      09:19am | 30/06/10

      Very true Old Clive. Rudd was screwed, much the same as Turnbull was, and Nelson before him, and as Abbott will be, post election defeat.
      Politics is a nasty game Old Clive, best just to stay on the sidelines, and Punch out the wisdom via the keyboard, right gang ?  wink

    • DJ says:

      09:43am | 30/06/10

      some people sadly always need someone to blame, be it their parents, government or society doesn’t matter. What they need to do is take a hard look at themselves and wonder what THEY did to get them to this place. I believe that we rule our own destinies and choices and no one put a gun to their head and told them to turn out this way, just because they blame their childhood doesn’t mean it is actually to blame, it’s along the same lines as the men and women who beat their partner and blame the other one for their lack of control

    • Old Clive says:

      10:09am | 30/06/10

      Chogee, well put, it looks as if this mob is repeating history in every way, they are proving to be as ineffective as they say the previous government was. Howard did last 10 years. Rudd 21/2. Gillard ?.

    • Luke4 says:

      10:26am | 30/06/10

      T.Chong - I don’t think Nelson, Turnbull or Abbott are sitting Prime Ministers about to go to an election.

    • Phil says:

      10:28am | 30/06/10

      DJ Good call.

      I used to blame my parents for some things, but as I got older and wiser, I learnt to take responsibility for my own course rather than blame them, and promise myself not to repeat what I felt were the mistakes they made with me with my own children. Hence I chose a lesser career path, close to home, which is only now starting to pay off.

      Many successful people I know immigrated to Australia many years ago and worked hard. Success will not come without it.

    • Annie says:

      08:00am | 30/06/10

      This is something I have always struggled with.  For me I’ve always felt damned if I do work (bad mother); damned if I don’t (can’t afford to live).  Mother guilt resides permanently in my psyche.  I missed lots of things at school, felt the stares of the “mums” that turned up for everything and sometimes felt the sting of the angry words from my children.  Now that they are both out of school and young men working, I look back and don’t think my working altered the outcome of who they are.  Life is full of disappointments and having some when they are young is not going to scar you them life. In fact it helps to prepare them for the path ahead.  I like the people my boys have turned into and don’t believe me working or not working has had anything to do with it.

    • Holly says:

      08:02am | 30/06/10

      The headline is about Julia but the article is all about you.  Why would we be interested?  Please try not to disguise your own personal musings in this way.

    • KH says:

      08:23am | 30/06/10

      As one of those women without children, I can safely say we aren’t all going to be Prime Minister.  Some of us will have fairly mediocre careers, in a fairly mediocre industry.  Personally, I’m not unhappy with that - I have plenty of other things in my life to keep me happy.  I am certainly not unsympathetic to ‘families’ (whoever they are), and if anything ever happened to my siblings and their partners, I would be more than happy to take on their children, as I love them. 

      Some of us just don’t want babies.  I really don’t understand what is wrong with that - sadly I have come across a few people who shouldn’t have had them, and we have all read about those ‘families’ where children are abused, beaten, and even killed by their so called ‘parents’, which I would have thought was a lot more disturbing than worrying about someone who doesn’t have children.  Perhaps people could spend some time on that problem instead of this non-problem.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      08:24am | 30/06/10

      I thought Bettina Arndt’s piece and her 15 minutes of air time on Sky News yesterday was quite bazaar. for someone who puts herself on a pillar she certainly lives in a cacoon. The article and her rant on Sky News was more about demonising men than it was childless women.

    • T.Chong says:

      09:24am | 30/06/10

      The backlash at Fairfax,  500+ replies, probaly so shocked dear old Bettina, that the only way she could try to regain some feminist credentials was to appear on the tube, and engage in a little bit of misandry.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:49am | 30/06/10

      Gillard’s dismissal of family values , religious faith , marriage and general Australian tradition , is a gamble on her part , not one that the usual tennant in the top office would take.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      09:24am | 30/06/10

      Where did she dismiss family values??? is this some preconception of yours that not having children is somehow dismissing family values??? very wierd!!! And where does Australian tradition fit into that, wake up boy and take a look around, smell the roses while your at it.

    • Kate says:

      09:57am | 30/06/10

      Just because she is an unmarried, child-free atheist doesn’t mean she has dismissed religion, children and marriage. She has just honestly stated that these things are not for her, and in the case of religion she said that she respects other people’s beliefs. I don’t see how that undermines anyone else’s life choices.

    • KH says:

      10:34am | 30/06/10

      Bob Hawke was one of the most popular prime ministers ever, and he was an atheist.  Just because you don’t have children of your own, does not mean you ‘reject family values’, or anything else for that matter.  That is as stupid as any other generalisation you care to come up with.

      In any case, when did she ‘dismiss’ these things?!  All the other responses like yours just proves that some people only hear what they want to hear, but they aren’t really listening.

      And its ‘tenant’.

    • Steely Dan says:

      10:38am | 30/06/10

      @ Wayne Fehlhaber

      Gasp!  The audacity of an unmarried, childless and non-religious woman to run the country!  She’s acting as if there’s not even a state religion, laws requiring all relationships to be sanctioned by said religion, and compulsory impregnation of fertile married women! 

      Oh, wait…

    • Take religion back out of politics says:

      11:30am | 30/06/10

      People bag out K Rudd for having press conferences outside church, T Abbott for his staunch catholic views and now we have someone who says that she doesn’t need religion in her life and you can’t please all the people all the time. I guess. Wayne there is a reason we separate church and state and that is to stop fundamentalists making the laws. She has to govern for all, not just the few that feel religion is most important. The great thing about this country is you have to right to belong to any religion you want and that includes opting out all together. I believe in God and that’s my choice. If I want spiritual guidance. I’ll go to my Priest NOT my Prime Minister

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      06:59pm | 30/06/10

      Rob :  The community has high values Rob , and voters tend to believe that a Prime Minister should support those traditional morals that are the basis of the family unit . Make no mistake Rob , the electorate really does have high expectations of their Prime Minister.

      Kate : I made no mention of Gillard being unmarried , childless or an atheist . You simply assume those are the basis of my comment.

      KH :  As i said to Kate , i made no mention of Gillard being childless. In fact i think it would be improper to do so.  It seems to be on your mind.
      Thank you for the spelling lesson.  oh just so you know , you should use capital letters in referencing Prime Minister.

      Steely Dan :  Well , they are problems the P.M. will have to address even though they are of a personal nature. It all matters to the traditional electorate .

      Take religionback out of politics :  I could not agree more my friend , but what i am telling you is that the electorate looks for those traditional values in a prospective Prime Minister.
      It is a P.M.‘s office that Gillard aspires to , not a pulpit , however , let me make it clear that the communities making up the electorate believe she should have certain standards.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      01:18pm | 01/07/10

      Wayne Fehlhaber says:06:59pm; Sure! but the community has moved on from the principles your trying to pin them on. May have been the case in the 1930’s but where way past that, make no mistake about that fella

    • Shelley says:

      08:55am | 30/06/10

      If Gillard was preggers today she’d want Abbotts maternity scheme.

      And those bloody scrapped childcare centres!

    • Daryl says:

      08:58am | 30/06/10

      If she performed at parenting the way she has performed in government, then chances are they would be very screwed up! She’s managed to screw up the school building scheme which resulted in a parliamentary enquiry into rorting and over charging. Then you can add to that all of the other failures of her government like the insulation fiasco and the border protection mess, the record foreign debt, the burnt surplus, the rising interest rates as well as the backflips on things like child care facilities, removing the private health tax rebate, the ETS and now the super tax on certain profits. Perhaps if she sc rewed up kids she’d have spared the rest of us!

    • Against the Man says:

      09:08am | 30/06/10

      Have a child, not have a child is a personal choice. Married, not get married is also a personal choice. We live in a society that allows such free choice and I think we are lucky for that. But both children and marriage require a level of commitment. I don’t trust this fake PM, she back stabbed her boss Kevin ‘the worst PM ever’ Rudd and she talks a good talk without any results. She like Rudd do a good PR job on themselves but it just masks the fact that incompetence is such a big part of their working style.

    • jojo says:

      09:11am | 30/06/10

      Maybe the issue should be addressed from the point of view of career fulfilment.  I really think that it pretty hard for women to have both - career and children - the number of women originally employed in interesting, intellectually stimulating roles that have returned to work part time to work on ‘special projects’ far outweighs the number of women that have been able to return to their career the way it was.  While I’m not saying that it doesn’t happen - the corporate world is littered with the bodies of frustrated part time working mothers who have been given some meaningless task to do because their full time job has now been given to a child-free worker - male or female.

    • DJ says:

      09:49am | 30/06/10

      what about children and job? I mention it as I don’t have a career, I have a job that pays my bills and allows me to buy stuff I want, I certainly wouldn’t classify it as a career and am able to work from home as long as all my stuff gets done and am logged in for 8.5 hours doesn’t matter if it’s consecutive I get full pay and can be at home with bubs

    • Larry Bailey says:

      09:19am | 30/06/10

      The research mentioned is worth nothing unless it is across the board research which is not possible, I deal with and have direct contact with a large number of kids, I do not believe that kids turn out bad by themselves but ARE products of their environment, that does include parenting but again that includes all aspects of their early childhood and even if the child takes the wrong course, given the right circumstances even that can be turned around, I do not and will never believe that a child is inherently bad.
      But I do believe given the chance Julia would have been a great mum, although her idea’s differ dramatically from mine, she (I am sure) has a good sense of right and wrong which is the main essence of what a child needs from their parents

    • DJ says:

      09:53am | 30/06/10

      I am a big believer in Nurture over Nature, kids aren’t born one way or the other and we as parents start molding them into little people, but teachers also mold, friends, coaches, relatives everyone has a hand in making an impact on a childs future

    • Rosie says:

      09:49am | 30/06/10

      Good Luck to Ms Gillard!

      Personally, when women choose an intense high level career over having children I feel they are missing out on the best part of being on this planet.

      Having children whether naturally or through adoption is a bigger challenge than becoming the most powerful person in this world. In the 21st century all the opportunites are there to have both. Now I am not saying that you should have children for the sake of having children because I wouldn’t have been able to have the intense high level career and two children without the support of my parents. Without the legacy of good solid family values my parents inherited from their parents I think my children would have been screwed up. Today my daughter, a mother of two with an intense high level career manages very well with our support. She admits she couldn’t be a stay at home Mum and is a better Mum pursuing her career with our help off course!

      My grandchildren have delighted me and I like the feeling that I have come from good stock and will leave behind a legacy that I inherited from my parents which will be passed down generation after generation.

    • DJ says:

      11:39am | 30/06/10

      and that Rosie is your opinion, I am like you and love kids and see them as part of my future, but some people don’t, she has made her choice and good for her.

    • Rosie says:

      12:25pm | 30/06/10

      DJ what’s is your problem?

      Isn’t the reason we make comments here to express our opinions & didn’t I recognise our nation’s first red hair, unwed, aethist, female Prime Minister’s choice to remain childless by wishing her “GOOD LUCK”

      I’ll repeat what I read in today’s Courier Mail:

      “Now that Julia Gillard is PM, I would ask her to stop speaking to her fellow Australians as if we have an IQ smaller than her shoe size. It is disconcerting to be lectured to in her penetrating nasal voice!”

      I have nothing against the woman but detests the way when every time she speaks she undermines my intelligence. We are not all gullible!

      “Game On if it came to having and rearing children in the 21st century” Challenge her anytime!

    • DJ says:

      12:52pm | 30/06/10

      Sorry Rosie, it read as sarcasm, my appologies

    • Jenni says:

      09:51am | 30/06/10

      As a single woman of 37, I have “chosen” not to have children, mostly because I know I cannot afford to be a stay-at-home mum. I have *wanted* children since I was very young, but after much thought and deliberation of the options to me, realized it was not something I wanted to do unless I could commit to it 100%. This is not to disparage working mums or dads in any way, I think it is a very personal choice, and this was mine. It wasn’t a matter of sacrificing having kids to further my career, I really couldn’t give a toss, I’d be very happy to never work in paid emplyment again. It was just an economic reality that if I had a child, I would still need to work, and that’s not something I personally wish to do.

      Choosing to have children and choosing how to raise them, or choosing not to have children are all very personal decisions. I don’t believe there is a right or wrong decision, it’s up to the individual to weigh the options. Gillard did this when she decided not to have children, and (like myself) I don’t believe it makes her less capable of understanding families and being empathetic to their needs. It’s pure snobbery to spout the line “oh but you don’t have children, you couldn’t possibly understand.”

    • Von says:

      09:56am | 30/06/10

      Women have more choice today than ever before but what they don’t always have the the support of others in their choices.
      Interesting re adoption, so it is the genetics count most after all! Just what adoptees always knew! Time to seriously start taking that in to account in the treatment of adoptees and in stopping international and domestic adoption.

    • Kylie L says:

      10:47am | 30/06/10

      Great piece smile As a psychologist, I do believe that parents can screw their kids up somewhat- I see it over and over- BUT I also believe that kids are more resilient than we give them credit for, and that learning to deal with disappointment/life’s knocks is an important part of growing up, of being a fully realised and functioning human being.
      As a mother I’ve suffered guilt for years at sometimes having to put my work briefly before my kids- the odd sports carnival you mention, mainly. That said, I’ve also learnt that guilt is a wasted emotion unless you use it to change: If you feel bad, change your practices OR change your mind set, don’t just feel guilty. I love my work, so I’ve had to make peace with the fact that that fact means I won’t always be mother of the year… having accepted that I really do feel freer to enjoy the wonderful chaos of working and parenting.

    • Mayday says:

      10:51am | 30/06/10

      I agree completely with Julia’s view as to why she didn’t have children, it is emotionally tough and I see the scares of that battle regularly as I work in a local Long Day Care Centre.
      Mum’s who are stretched to the limit trying to get out of the centre and off to work and the children who are left with limited emotional support.
      Satisfaction at doing a good job whether it at home or work should be paramount as this promotes good mental health for the whole family.
      I hope Julia pushes for more friendly work places and hours for both mum and dad and she keeps pushing down the carer ratio’s in centres so when a child is upset there is someone available to give comfort and care.
      Alcohol and drug abuse, domestic violence and poverty are all more likely to cause problems for children rather than whether or not mum works.

    • Adam Diver says:

      11:06am | 30/06/10

      Of course kids will be OK. Society plays a large part in raising them anyway and I think many people ignore how much genetics really determine the outcome of people.

      However “Maybe my kids will be okay after all, even if I miss their athletics carnival because of a deadline” the kids will be fine but I suspect you will not. Having kids is so selfish in that you indulge in thier lives and live through all thier highs and their lows as if they were your own. So the kids will be fine but you may well regret your decisions of work over family when you are older and realised what you have missed. Just sayin..

    • Seano says:

      01:18pm | 30/06/10

      “Just sayin.. “

      So people who don’t want kids should have them on the off chance that they might be lonely in old age. You make perfect sense Adam.

    • Blinky Bill says:

      11:47am | 30/06/10

      I think it is great if a lot of you sheila’s don’t want to have kids. It means that we can take in a lot more boat people to populate this vast continent.
      It also means if you lot have good jobs and pay more taxes we can have a lot more moolah to give to the boat people.
      Have a nice day!!

    • Rosie says:

      12:44pm | 30/06/10

      Blinky Bill

      Excellent simple thinking but please can people like myself who chose to have children and is now enjoying the fruit of my labour live in a separate state? The boat people can mannually build a division wall like the “The Great Wall Of China”  Work for the Dole” policy will work very well here!

    • OldGirl says:

      02:46pm | 30/06/10

      I have a child, I would have had more but I couldn’t and no IVF in those days. But I am just one person in this great big world we live in, others have different views from me and some just don’t have any desire for children. That does not make me right and them wrong it just means they have different views. Julia’s desire to pursue a career is her choice and the right thing for her.It would be a very boring world if we all thought the same. Many women have children who don’t want them and these are an example of some of the children people like DOCS try to protect. Far better to admit and stay true to yourself than to have damaged children in this world. I am not a feminist, if I had to be labeled it would be a humanist, I truly believe in rights for all. Good luck Julia and if you read this remember one thing, stay of good humor. Australians love to laugh, we are a weird and wonderful mob. There has been to much aggression of late, let it slide you by.

    • Helen says:

      02:49pm | 30/06/10

      When some bloke gets promoted to high office (again) and we get headlines like “If Gary had kids would they be screwed up?” and comments like “Personally, when men choose an intense high level career over having children I feel they are missing out on the best part of being on this planet”, then we’ll know we’re getting somewhere. hmmm

    • 6c legs says:

      03:21pm | 30/06/10

      Thank you for posting that.

      sorry, but i see these sort of articles as nothing but subtle white anting.
      Not to mention that I must contact all the CLAN (care leavers aust network) and give them the good news - that they really didn’t have their lives destroyed by abusive gaurdians/carers - am sure that they’ll be delighted to know…/sarc…

    • Badger says:

      02:51pm | 30/06/10

      Getting a bit Long In the Tooth to have Children isn’t she ?

      If She manages to have a Child and bring it up, let’s hope it does not Inherit That Shocking Droll of a Voice of hers AGHHHHH. and the AAAAAAAASssssssss.

    • Dan says:

      04:33am | 01/07/10

      A nasty post, just like the one below it.

    • Badger says:

      03:16pm | 30/06/10

      If it’s a REd Head, do what should be done as we always said.

      Red Heads should be Drowned at Birth.

      As there quality of life is limited to live in the Shade for the rest of their lives.

    • 6c legs says:

      04:35pm | 30/06/10

      All this picking on colour is beggining to get a little old! I’m sure that Ms Gillard is big enough and ugly enough to look after herself,  the constant mention of her hair colour (and with it her skin tone) and all the smart ass comments like “Badgers”  is making me extremely uncomfortable.

      How is it different to making rude remarks re a black or Asian person?
      Guess what, IT ISN’T!

      This country needs to stop kidding itself that it isn’t racist. Mainstream US media, gawd even Faux news, wouldn’t condone or publish offensive tripe like “Badger” (and plenty of others) have posted since last Thursday. Punch mods need to up their game - and not just by not publishing my, or any comments that point it out.

    • Pedant says:

      08:20pm | 30/06/10

      “Red Heads [sic] should be Drowned [sic] at Birth. [sic]”

      I propose people with poor grammar and punctuation should be summarily executed so that readers can improve “there [sic]” quality of life.

      I’d rather listen to Gillard’s “...Shocking [sic] Droll [sic] of a Voice [sic] ” than sully my retinas with poor literacy.

    • Brad Coward says:

      05:08pm | 30/06/10

      I’d imagine that her partner is going to end up screwed up….unless he has easy access to a pair of ear plugs !  Fran Drescher speaks Oxford English by comparison !

    • Chris says:

      11:02pm | 30/06/10

      Forget about any kids Julia might have had what about the poor child force to be raised by Conroy.

 

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