If you read the headlines, late-night violence in Melbourne is out of control.

Just another night out on the beers in Melbourne.Photo: Mike Keating.

To a degree this is true, but we have little chance of curbing the problem with illogical solutions.

Take some of the measures proposed in the past fortnight, for example. Firstly, there was the party promoter who banned “metrosexuals” from the Ding Dong Lounge.

“We are really trying to push a party night that is a safe place to go and have a good time without worrying about safety,” the promoter, Scott Mellor, said.

Then, Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Simon Overland called for a price-hike on all booze- including wine and beer.

In his opinion, this will help limit the carnage. 

So, on one hand, we are blaming the booze for all the violence, while on the other, we are excluding people due to the way they dress.

Violent offenders come in all different shapes and sizes. They are from different backgrounds and - surprise, surprise - they all don’t dress in the same way.

By banning a section of society from a public venue, due to the way they dress, is condoning violent behaviour. 

Countless innocent people, not wearing tight jeans, have been attacked. 

If this becomes the new approach of clubs and bars in Melbourne, then we are in serious trouble. Luckily, at this stage, the Ding Dong Lounge is on its own.

Alcohol-fuelled violence is a well-worn phrase these days, but I have avoided using it deliberately so far.

Simon Overland’s proposal to hit drinkers harder punishes those of us who drink responsibly. Having a drink is not illegal if you are over 18 years of age, and neither is drinking too much. 

But, knocking out the guy standing next to you for looking at you is an offence. 

Consuming half-a-dozen beers does not turn a model citizen into a mindless thug. So why are we blaming the booze at every chance? 

Those who want to get intoxicated will still find a way. But we are concerned about what happens after that.

Adopting a zero-tolerance approach, similar to New York’s in the 1990s, would be beneficial. We just need to look at the history books.

It would make people think twice about their actions. Today, if you are a first-time offender, you are likely to get off lightly for a late-night hit.

New York’s zero-tolerance approach to its soaring murder rate, in the early 90s, is the perfect point of reference for our law enforcers.

For the record, 2605 murders were committed in New York in 1990 - the highest in its history - compared with 801 two years ago. Numbers don’t lie.

During this time, anyone found with a weapon was locked up immediately. Ditto other crimes. There were no questions.

In Melbourne, idiots are the problem, not alcohol. We must deal with offenders properly in the court of law - and avoid a soft-hand.

Times will change, prices will rise, new venues will open up and others will close, but we won’t idiot-proof this state.

Sadly, some of us simply have no regard for the well-being of others.

This will always be the case. That’s reality. But those in positions of power can be influential in driving change.

Blaming alcohol, solely, for a violent offence is a cop-out. It means offenders avoid accountability for their actions.

A minimum jail term must be established for offenders who inflict serious injury on another (perhaps a sentence between three and five years would be appropriate). 

Those who use weapons should also face more jail time, and be made to pay all of their victim’s hospital bills.

All nightclubs and bars need to be equipped with screening devices as you enter. This will cost money, but it will ensure venues are free of weapons.

We should also dispose of home detentions for violent thugs. One of the main aims of sentencing is to deter others from committing similar acts. If people know they will face a definite jail sentence, their thinking will change. 

If we hit violent criminals in the hip-pocket and with time in the cells, we will make some ground. There is no room for complacency.

Police are like speed cameras - they can’t be on every street corner all day, every day. 

But, our justice system must come down hard on offenders. It has a big role to play as we seek to take back Melbourne’s streets and make them safe again. 

If we choose to adopt an endless list of illogical remedies, the bleeding will continue - and it will only get worse.

I have not, personally, been involved in a violent encounter on a weekend. Call it luck, but I believe it is good management.

It emphasises the role parents play in this issue. Educating your child is crucial. There will always be a “hot-head” among the crowd, and there is no shame in walking away.

Stick with your mates, and you shouldn’t have a problem. Sadly, the less of you there are, the more chance there is you will be attacked.

Gangs still exist, of course, and some people, simply, regard a fight as a hobby.

And if it continues, most of us will stay home while the thugs have the city to themselves.

Is that what we really want?

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    • Dan says:

      05:23am | 27/11/09

      There is alot of evidence to suggest that the crime rate in NY declined not because of the ‘zero tolerance’ policy, but because it was naturally declining in the US anyway. It also alienated minority groups who were disproportianstely targeted.

      Melbourne is not New York. Zero tolerance is unlikely to work here, and nor should we adopt it. It’s an absolutist policy which doesn’t pay any attention to circumstances, is descriminatory and is often paired with mandatory sentencing, which is ugly and unfair. It is no more logical and fair than banning metrosexuals or having an alcohol tax.

      In fact: “A minimum jail term must be established for offenders who inflict serious injury on another (perhaps a sentence between three and five years would be appropriate). ” Absolutely not!! Why have judges? You can not treat all crimes as the same. Mandatory sentencing is disgusting, and I am delighted that Rob Hulls has ruled it out. Not all crimes/offenders are the same, and mandatory sentencing ignores this. A pretty good article, but you lost me when you brought up NY and mandatory sentencing.

      Plus, if someone was sober and/or intelligent enought to think about the ramifications (I could get this X number of years) they would be unlikely to commit the assault in the first place. Longer prison sentences may make talk-back callers feel comfortable, but they don’t work.

    • danj says:

      06:38am | 27/11/09

      Ice is a problem too. It is more likely to turn normal people into idiots than alcohol

    • danj says:

      06:38am | 27/11/09

      Ice is a problem too. It is more likely to turn normal people into idiots than alcohol

    • SM says:

      07:57am | 27/11/09

      If you are a violent drunk, you should be refused entry to any licenced premises, not just the one where you committed an offence

      Every licensed venue in Australia should be linked to a national “drunk trouble makers” database.  Entry to any venue at any time requires photo id.  The person is checked against the database to see if any previous offences have been committed.  If you are in a venue and you behave in an unruly manner, you are flagged on the database and subsequently refused entry anywhere else.  A rough guide as to penalties:

      Arguing when refused service - 3 months ban
      Instigating violence - 1 year ban
      Serious offence (ie; glassing) - Life ban

      The cost of implementation is borne by alcohol manufacturers and venue owners.  Venues must comply and enforce these rules at all times.  If not, liquor licence cancelled.  Rigorous checks are carried out by relevant government departments.  If venues chose to pass on the cost of implementation to drinkers, so be it.  I’ll happilly pay a bit more for a drink so as not to have to put up with animals.  Persons found engaging in drunken violence at cab ranks or in city streets are simply banned from every single licensed premises in the country for a period of time.  Maybe that won’t deter all of them, but at least the rest of us won’t have to put up with them

    • Eliza C Metcalfe says:

      08:29am | 27/11/09

      But on many corners in Melbourne speed cameras ARE there all day every day. Poor analogy.

    • axkman says:

      10:03am | 27/11/09

      I generally like Luke’s article, although I’m not rapt about minimum jail terms.  That’s what we have a judiciary for, to determine appropriate sentences.  And if the response is that judges are too soft, then there needs to be a dialogue between law makers and judges about expectations.

      The big issue seems to me to be about taking responsibility for your own actions.  Now, there’s no way you can legislate for that, but the penalties for not doing so should be clear.  Look, alcohol is not a problem - guns aren’t a problem, knives aren’t a problem, overpowered vehicles aren’t a problem.  They are what they are.  The problem is with fools who misuse them.  Again, you can’t force fools not to be foolish, but you can make the consequences of foolish actions very clear.

      I suggest a two pronged approach.  The national database for all those convicted of alcohol related violence with bans to be effectively enforced: I agree with SM on this point - the tariff may need to be adjusted, but the principle is spot on.  And punishment where it really hurts - in the hip pocket.  Substantial fines without the option of getting out of them.  Automatic deduction from wages or from Centrelink benefits until paid off - in full.  Jail to be a punishment of last resort; what is the point of a prison term?  It’s unlikely to reform a fool, but the knowledge of an ongoing reduction in income might just make them think twice.  Incidentally, how about applying this process to drunk drivers?

    • Craig Lambie says:

      10:18am | 27/11/09

      I have to agree with SM, that is a great idea.

      I would also like to say, that mandatory sentencing is not going to work…. sending violent people to jail will for these types of crimes will simply lead them further down that trail…
      Mandatory community service would be a better option.  For example, when these people are sober and on their own, they become “normal” citizens again, and should be made to do something menial and value adding to society.  For example picking up rubbish, or cigarette butts, sweeping streets, volunteering for N4Ps etc.
      That is what I think the result of any “misdemeanor” should be (littering, speeding, etc) as well as the violent crimes against other members of society.

      There are many different people in the world, and each one will need a different punishment in order to learn and grow into a “good” citizen.

    • Chris says:

      10:24am | 27/11/09

      ” Sadly, the less of you there are, the more chance there is you will be attacked” Yep this point is so on the money, cowards run rife in packs especially with some groups who dont see them selves as part of the broader Australian community. Its really gutless.
      “And if it continues, most of us will stay home while the thugs have the city to themselves” I reckon this already hapens in Sydney I know quite afew people who refuse to go to nightlife districts like Oxford street or Kings Cross after dark.

    • Terry says:

      10:28am | 27/11/09

      Most of the venues where violence occurs are rubbish anyway, if you go to those places you should know that there might be a fight and look after yourself. People need to start taking responsibility for themselves and there actions. If you got wasted and got in a fight that’s you’re fault and you should be punished, and if you drink in places that fights regularly happen in then you are more likely to get in a fight or be effected by one.

    • Andrew Goff says:

      10:59am | 27/11/09

      “In Melbourne, idiots are the problem, not alcohol.”

      Spot on.

      Don’t blame the venues… 100,000 people a weekend and maybe 100 idiots among them. So ban them. Scan ID to get entry and ban people. Jail terms for violent crime - the defence of “past good record” should not matter… if you commit a violent crime against another person you should go to jail. Likewise carrying a weapon.

      I’ve been going out clubbing for well over a decade and never once been in a fight. Please PLEASE don’t destroy our great city nightlife because of a very few dickheads.

      And, as an aside, I was in the city last night at 11:00pm… Swanston street was crowded, happy, all ages, genuinely having a great time. I begin to suspect that people who think the city is in crisis haven’t actaully eben out after dark in the Melbourne CBD for a long long time.

    • axkman says:

      11:08am | 27/11/09

      I agree with Craig Lambie that there is a lot to be said for community service.  But there are a couple of problems.  As it operates at present, community service is full of loopholes which are largely the result of inadequate supervision.  To be really effective will be costly in terms of maintaining supervision over people who do not want to do the sort of menial task involved and who will take any opportunity to get out of it.

      The other problem is to “make the punishment fit the crime”.  Picking up litter, cigarette butts etc. really bears no relationship to alcohol fuelled violence.  Now, if it could include cleaning the vomit out of public toilets, some from of heavily supervised work in hospital emergency wards or some other form of activity related to alcohol and/or violence, then maybe.  But just collecting litter - I doubt that that would have a big effect.

      I’m still a fan of heavy fines, enforced by whatever means is appropriate.  The Child Support Agency is able to get its money through the taxation system, why not for these types of offences?

    • SM says:

      12:10pm | 27/11/09

      @Andrew Goff

      regardless of what city you go out in, the ratio of idiots to non idiots is much, much higher than 100 per 100,000

    • Jamers Hunter says:

      12:38pm | 27/11/09

      axkman , you said it
      to help a friend i drove a booze bus some friday and saturday nights.
      boy am i over that !
      every trip there would be one or two or five or six trouble makeres. peeing out the windows yelling abuse at pedestrians or police (sic) throwing up on seats even breaking a window on the bus. as the driver ther is not on your own that you can do driving safly is the first priority not getting beaten up onself is also up there on the list.
      the idfiots wont take responsibility for thewir own actions
      they were out of control chjildren undiciplened with teachers like bus drivers unable to actually do anything.
      bring back the cane for kids and have the judiciary well aware of community expectations in sentencing.

    • Ricky says:

      01:59pm | 27/11/09

      A great article Luke.And right on the money.A zero tolerance policy would be an excellent idea.Personally i think if you are not inclined to act like a violent moron when you drink, then you have nothing to worry about.Alcohol was never the problem.The problem is those that shouldnt have a drink in the first place.We all know atleast one.

    • TLC says:

      02:51pm | 27/11/09

      So true.
      The best statement I read in years.

    • Knightyme says:

      02:07am | 29/11/09

      Further to my comment above.

      The DL smart card would also enforce a 0% blood alcohol limit for at least 50% of the time someone is on restricted Alcohol conditions.

      I say restricted, because I think it fair(ish) that they cant buy alcohol but their friends can.  The catch is that their friends are responsible for their restricted mate, and as such their Smartcard can also have a restricted placed on it if their mate gets into an alcohol related fight again.

      The restriction would be the full amount as if they themselves did the deed.  This will allow restricted people the chance to have alcohol on a night out, but will have at least 1 person being their conscious, and if their friends cant be trusted to moderate their friends they can simply join them in alcohol restriction and 0% blood alcohol - or not take them out to the clubs if they are not prepared to be a minder.

 

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