In this week’s ICB, The Punch calls bullshit on Shadow Immigration Minister and regular Punch contributor Scott Morrison, for citing a thing called the Social Cohesion Index at yesterday’s National Press Club address to show that Australia is going down the gurgler under Labor.

Flimsy boat, flimsier logic.

There are any number of indicators which Morrison might’ve chosen to bolster that increasingly popular thesis. Yet he chose an obscure, little known indicator, and if you ask us, there’s a sneaky reason why he did it.

Morrison, in short, was dog whistling. In a speech littered with references to asylum seekers, the Member for Cook thundered “it is a real concern that social cohesion in Australia has declined by 8.6% since the Labor government was elected. His inference was clear: All those illegal immigrants are tearing us apart.

The embarrassing thing is, Morrison didn’t even get the stats right. The Punch contacted the report’s author, Professor Andrew Markus of Monash University today. He wasn’t aware that Morrison had cited him overnight, but he kindly pointed out that the 8.6 decline is in fact since ’09, not since Kevin ’07, as the graph on page 11 of the report shows.

In fact, Australia’s social cohesion actually went up in the first two years of the Rudd government. Oops.

Before researching this piece, my strong instinct was to call bullshit not just on Morrison, but on the index itself. As a former full-time sports journalist who has waded through the cricket’s mind-boggling Duckworth Lewis system and the baffling World Golf Rankings, I know a statistical dog’s breakfast when I see one.

But no, let’s give Prof. Markus some credit. He launched the Scanlon-Monash Index of Social Cohesion in 2007, in an attempt to measure Australia’s pulse through the social science lens, with the type of rigour applied by economists.

His goal, put really simply, is to question Australians on their perception of how our society functions. He does this by quizzing them on five indicators – sense of worth, sense of belonging, participation, acceptance and social justice & equity.

Obviously, the results will always be open to conjecture, or even ridicule, a fact Prof. Markus concedes. After all, stating that we’re 8.6% less cohesive is a bit like saying we feel 3.2% happier than yesterday, or that George Clooney is 4.8% handsomer than anyone else over 50 (even though the Clooney thing is probably about right).

But in his defence, Prof. Markus says “you can use it to get some indication of change, especially when a whole range of indicators are moving in the same direction.”

And right now, that’s exactly what’s happening. As the Professor says, “the Index highlights that this is a society under strain and stress. Morrison has to recognise the contribution to those stresses caused by the combative way the Liberal party is playing politics since Tony Abbott was elected leader.”

Nice work, Scott. You cite a figure which largely reflects your own argument, and the demeanour of your party. You stir the pot, the pot boils over, then you cite the stats to prove that Labor dunnit.

While Scott Morrison didn’t invent community resentment towards boat arrivals, he is in a position to make it worse, and it’s a bit rich to cite a social cohesion index to argue that it’s of Labor’s doing

If it wasn’t for us meddling kids Scott, you would’ve gotten away with it. Sorry, but we call bullshit.

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    • Elphaba says:

      12:59pm | 31/03/11

      Yeah, before reading this article I would have called bullshit on a Social Cohesion Index as well.

      I don’t think the country is ‘going down the gurgler’ under Labor.  True, they’re making a hash job of governance, but I think most governments from here on out are going to face similar problems.  I think Scott ought to be pointing the finger at some of the more hysterical media (people like another Punch blogger, David Koch, for example) for fanning the flames of people’s paranoia and panic.

      Honestly, I know that 99% of the stuff Sunrise reports on is total bullshit, but just watching used to make my blood boil.  I can’t imagine how people who actually believe that tripe must feel.

    • Tom says:

      01:37pm | 31/03/11

      David Koch may be a knob but he wrote a very enlightened piece on the punch a few months back that described his own family’s multicultural past and was very supportive of the concept. Just sayin’.

    • john says:

      01:44pm | 31/03/11

      @Elphaba
      “I don’t think the country is ‘going down the gurgler’ under Labor.” 

      Wow even blind feddy can see Australia IS going down the gurgler.

    • Chris L says:

      01:45pm | 31/03/11

      I think the default position should be to call BS on all political, statistical and mainstream media statements. Then allow the few accurate samples to demonstrate their worth.

    • Elphaba says:

      02:31pm | 31/03/11

      @Tom, he also wrote about how breakfast journalism is ‘serious’ journalism.  Just sayin’.

      @john, maybe we’re just going through a cycle.  I’m a little more optimistic.  Spruiking doom and gloom isn’t going to make people feel better.

      Just my thoughts.

    • Sue says:

      02:42pm | 31/03/11

      Agree with all of that Elphaba except that I think Labor are doing a pretty good job of governance now.  It’s only Abbott who tell us they aren’t.  ONly silly people believe him.  82 pieces of legislation passed since last September sounds like a lot of governing is going on.

      Sunrise ... urgghh!  I no longer waste my time on it.

    • Elphaba says:

      03:10pm | 31/03/11

      @Sue, I disagree.  I have an enormous beef with the carbon tax.

      But again - just my opinion of them.

    • Jade says:

      06:03pm | 31/03/11

      Haha my blood boils every time I watch sunrise too.  Glad I am not the only one.

      I don’t think the country is going down the gurgler, but I don’t think its going anywhere great at the moment either (with all these new taxes, cost of living, housing affordability, infrastructure, health… etc)  I think it would be much better when labor are out of government.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      08:57pm | 31/03/11

      John where were you in December 1975? ? ? Oz was in the same place then

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      08:58pm | 31/03/11

      Sue that’s quantity not quality 82 bits of drivel

    • john says:

      09:39pm | 31/03/11

      @Jade australia is definitely cactus, and if you haven’t noticed so is the rest of the world. The end of the world is not some nasty nuclear exchange, its a slow painful end, environmentally, economically, with social decay, some wars, poverty, resource depletion as icing on the cake some natural disasters on large and small scale simultaneously everywhere.  Have a nice day. smile
      p.s sunrise is just torture to top it all off.

    • Jade says:

      09:48pm | 31/03/11

      @ John, you shouldn’t be so pessimistic, its not way to live! smile

    • Steve of Cornubia says:

      01:01pm | 31/03/11

      If ICB means “I Call Bias”, then I’m calling you out, Sharwood.

    • jeffb says:

      01:19pm | 31/03/11

      Where is the bias? That he actually did some fact checking?...

    • Shane says:

      01:29pm | 31/03/11

      @Steve of Cornubia
      Er, do you know even know what bias means? Sharwood is reporting factual errors in Morrison’s “speech”. That’s not biased.
      Just because you don’t like what he’s saying makes it wrong. Although that’s usually what most peope screeching about bias really mean. Idiot.

    • Bobster says:

      01:36pm | 31/03/11

      Too right, Steve. It’s high time people realised that anyone in the media who criticises the Liberal Party is biased.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      01:38pm | 31/03/11

      How is it bias to point out that a politician has got his or her figures wrong?

    • bobw says:

      01:39pm | 31/03/11

      Wow, stinging rebuke from Steve there.  Feel the burn, Sharwood!  Of course, Steve hasn’t managed to point to a particualr instance or evidence of “bias” - but hell, he’s called it, so it’s gotta be there.  Well done Steve.  Keep it righteous.

    • marley says:

      02:41pm | 31/03/11

      I don’t think the “B” is for “bias” - I think it’s for “bulls*t”.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      03:44pm | 31/03/11

      Anyone else think that “feel the burn Sharwood” makes a good marketing line for that brand of tasty curry sauces?

    • Seano says:

      06:09pm | 31/03/11

      If conservatives continue to scream bias everytime they disagree (or more particularly when they are caught out) then if they ever are the victim of bias no one will believe them. You can only scream wolf so many times.

    • mle says:

      09:01am | 01/04/11

      Bias? On an opinion piece? Heavens no!

    • Evan Findlay says:

      01:02pm | 31/03/11

      Your kidding me Anthony, a Liberal Party, right wing racist is dog whistling. Well, who would have thought. And who would think that a Liberal Party hack would be inciting the red necked element in our society with lies and mis-truths.
      I just don’t believe it! Not this Liberal Party, their as clean, honest and wholesome as Johnny Howard.

    • James1 says:

      01:22pm | 31/03/11

      ICB on this comment.

    • The Guardian says:

      01:34pm | 31/03/11

      Well said Evan,however you forgot to add that the National Press Club is weak as piss and not one “Journo” asked him about the reports of his idea in shadow cabinet to exploit the “muslim” factor.By the way the whistles are available from the Menzies Institute,Corey Bernadi and 2GB however be careful you don’t choke on one (small parts).

    • DS says:

      10:57pm | 31/03/11

      Indeed. Great post. :D

    • Richard says:

      09:30am | 01/04/11

      Its not a great post. He is implicitly accusing senior shadow ministers, high-ranking, respected members of the parliament, of being racist.

      That is a serious crime, so one would suspect he is going to back up his unfounded assertion with some evidence. But no, there is no evidence, because he is just spouting rhetoric and lies.

    • Knemon says:

      01:11pm | 31/03/11

      “The embarrassing thing is, Morrison didn’t even get the stats right” - That’s not embarrassing, it’s par for the course, it’s how the conservative side of politics operate. It’s a hangover from their beloved master John Howard, feed the public enough lies and they eventually believe them.

      Who is Scott Morrison anyway? From limited observations one could be led to believe that he is nothing but a xenophobic conservative bigot, full of hate for his fellow beings. The only good I can find in him - he is not related to me, and if he was I certainly wouldn’t brag about it.

    • Richard says:

      03:57pm | 31/03/11

      Scott Morrison is none of those things. He is not xenophobic, he is not bigoted, he is not full of hate for his fellow beings. All of those descriptors are an absolute smear, and you should be ashamed of yourself for perpetuating this rabid smear campaign against the character of Scott Morrison, without any evidence or reason to think so. You’re just parroting the vicious notions pedalled by left-wing thought police who decided that Morrison was doing too good a job of pointing out the government’s ineptitude and had neutralised somehow.

      As I said to you yesterday Knemon, you can think for yourself you know, you don’t just have to buy the line being pushed the media unquestioningly.

    • Knemon says:

      04:30pm | 31/03/11

      @ Richard - I’m sorry if you disagree with me - I can only call it as I find him, a totally obnoxious Human being.

    • Phil says:

      05:18pm | 31/03/11

      Knemon, sounds like you are “full of hate” for this particular being.

    • Tedd says:

      01:19pm | 31/03/11

      Gawd, not more rhetoric from Scotty school-boy making spurious links.  On data that has only been gathered since 2007 (so conveniently no ability to compare to the previous Coalition govt).

      Poor Scotty-boy: he’s just befuddled.  No wonder the NSW Coalition couldn’t get its act together when he was state director.  He should stick to “PC gone mad” on a range of things he normally wouldn’t.

    • AdamC says:

      01:19pm | 31/03/11

      I had a quick look at the relevant Mapping Social Cohesion Report. It’s purpose is not especially well articulated (I would argue that concepts like ‘social cohesion’ are far too vague to be measured anyway) but it seems to have a particular emphasis on Australia’s response to ethnic diversity and immigration. In that sense, it is no surprise that the metric has been going south in the last two years, as people are less likely to remain pro-immigration when they have boat arrivals oozing out of their ears.

      The responses to some of the general well-being questions were actually incredibly high, with most respondents being very happy with life in Australia. It kind of puts pollies’ pandering to the ‘Life’s so hard’ brigade into persepective.

    • Steve says:

      01:20pm | 31/03/11

      I call bullshit on a journalist claiming to have looked behind the methodology of a study or index that can be used for a headline. It would be the first time ever. 

      I mean, as a profession journalists rarely look a gift news story in the mouth and ask if its credible.

    • Bobster says:

      02:54pm | 31/03/11

      And when they do, you reject it. Hard to please, aren’t you?

    • Gregg says:

      01:21pm | 31/03/11

      Come on Ant, I’ll call you on BS too for with
      ” “it is a real concern that social cohesion in Australia has declined by 8.6% since the Labor government was elected. His inference was clear: All those illegal immigrants are tearing us apart. “
      Not too many of us probably listened to the speech so we do not really know how in or out of context duckworthy your claim on Scott is.

      You have not linked his speech so we can check but give us a link to a graph and we get a report front page with 46 pages in which to find the graph!
      And if we’re 8.9% less glued together since 2009 rather than 2007, that’s even worse and might just show how more people are realising just how lost are Labor, Tony not kicking them about until last year and they need it severely.

      Have you scored a new flexi screen LT bargain and got your kid some of those squeezable pens?

      I reckon we need the third umpire on this so can you see if Pauline is available.

    • The Guardian says:

      02:02pm | 31/03/11

      Scott,Tony..? Sounds like you work with these idiots Gregg or perhaps have an admiration.Ah lies damn lies and statistics.

    • Steven says:

      02:12pm | 31/03/11

      I think that this was covered in Ant’s concluding theories i.e. stirring a pot till it boils over and then blaming someone else. Very Machiavellian move on the part of Scott Morrison… a good BS pickup i would have thought.
      Just wondering if Ant had a chance to scan the BS meter over Ricky Pontings press conference yet.

    • Luke says:

      01:38pm | 31/03/11

      Scott Morrison is of course the man that wants to base immigration on religious grounds. This ‘man’ who claims to be a christian has no credibility. I call bullshit on him as a person.

    • Knemon says:

      02:36pm | 31/03/11

      @ Luke - You call bullshit on him and I will help pour it on him. Christian - LOL. The guy swims in bullshit.

    • Richard says:

      03:59pm | 31/03/11

      No, you made that up, and as usual Knemon just accepts anything at all unquestioningly.

      The smear campaign against Morrison is hysterical. I honestly hope everyone isn’t as gullible and accepting of media smear as Knemon obviously is…

    • n_dude says:

      11:52am | 01/04/11

      I accept it as it is based on what I see of the person. It is also a tactic that Howard used to neutralise the Pauline Hanson factor. Hence it has some precedent in the Liberal party.

    • The Badger says:

      01:46pm | 31/03/11

      This is what we expect of a party bereft of ideas, with a one trick pony as leader and NO as the answer to everything?
      Change the leader, change the quality of the debate = better outcomes for Australia.
      Reject the right wing lunatic fringe and return to the centre.

    • one trick pony says:

      02:41pm | 31/03/11

      The Badger - How dare you make comparisons between me and Tony Abbott, I’ve never been so offended….....

    • The Badger says:

      05:31pm | 31/03/11

      Perhaps you are twins separated at birth?

    • Gregg says:

      08:23pm | 31/03/11

      All you ever jear is No Badger but then its groundhog like so what would we expect!
      If you took in ” No, that’s not working and this is our policy ” , you might be more open to there being other ways to do things rather than just keeping on with failure and then the government embarassing itself on the International stage courtesy of Gillard, Swann, Bowen and Rudd, the new dream team is it?

    • The Badger says:

      11:26am | 01/04/11

      Gregg you spell jeer with two ee’s.

    • TheRealDave says:

      01:57pm | 31/03/11

      I wonder how hight he ‘Social Cohesiveness’ would sky-rocket if morons like Scott Morrison would stop screaming about Muslims under your bed wanting to behead you, rape your dog, steal your women so they can put them in burkas and destroy your way of life every 5 minutes.

    • Tedd says:

      02:33pm | 31/03/11

      To stop his nonsense, Scotty would have to go all PC
      - that won’t happen.

    • Richard says:

      04:04pm | 31/03/11

      Scott Morrison has never screamed that Muslims under the bed want to behead you, rape your dog, steal your women so they can put them burkas and destroy your way of life. He has never done it once, let alone every 5 minutes.

      Do you guys see how far this smear campaign against Scott Morrison has gone? You the the hysterical lengths it is now being taken to?

      None of it is true, absolutely none of it. Scott Morrison is a victim of a hate campaign being waged to discredit him, and not a single one of their allegations against him has proof behind it.

      Please don’t buy this media smear campaign at face value critical thinking fellow Australians. They are making up bull-dust to try and smear Morrison because he is doing a good job. Please don’t be gullible enough to buy it.

    • Erick says:

      04:26pm | 31/03/11

      Well said, Richard.

      If anyone is dogwhistling, it’s those who hate Scott Morrison, the Liberal Party, and Australians in general.

    • Phil says:

      11:54am | 01/04/11

      Yes Erick. It must be that if you hate the Liberal Party and Morrison, you must hate Australia & Australians aswell.

    • HongKongPhooey says:

      12:31pm | 01/04/11

      I think Richard is Scott Morrison

    • hot tub political machine says:

      01:30pm | 01/04/11

      I was thinking a relative

    • Janet says:

      08:56pm | 01/04/11

      No Sad Sad Reality, Muslims don’t want to destroy our way of life and only an ignorant bigot would alledge that. BTW, what makes you think that decent people share your way of life?

    • PTom says:

      02:13pm | 31/03/11

      Morrison justing following the so-called scar mongering health expert that pull figures out of air and clam then to be bad.
      Like the recent BS when they compared to a ham cheese toast sandwich at 400 to new KFC burger with a massive 465 Cal had me laughing. Note 1 Big MAC is 576 Cal.

    • john says:

      02:46pm | 31/03/11

      @ PTom “new KFC burger with a massive 465 Cal had me laughing. Note 1 Big MAC is 576 Cal.”

      Subway Super Classic Italian foot long is 1,336 cal

      And the killer Quadruple bypass burger (almost 1kg of beef) 8,000 calories….....now that’s funny.

      See…. KFC in comparison is healthy!!

    • Aitch says:

      02:19pm | 31/03/11

      Well done Sharwood. Good to see the Punch doing some basic, useful journalism.

    • Anthony Sharwood

      Anthony Sharwood says:

      04:04pm | 31/03/11

      Onya Aitch. You should have seen the editorial meeting this morning!

    • Erick says:

      02:27pm | 31/03/11

      I call bullshit on the whole concept of “dogwhistling”. It’s just a cheap tactic that commentators use to accuse people of saying something that they have not in fact said.

      A moment’s thought exposes the absurdity of the idea. Supposedly, “dogwhistling” is a secret code that only racists can detect. Yet we have all sorts of lefties claiming they can hear the “dogwhistling”. Logically, therefore, those who complain about “dogwhistling” must be racists themselves, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to hear it.

    • The Guardian says:

      03:09pm | 31/03/11

      Lost the plot Erick? Your comment is an articulated version of ...“I know I am but what are you”

    • James1 says:

      03:12pm | 31/03/11

      I would have thought you recognise dogwhistling very well Erick.  You have an uncanny ability to pick up anti-male dogwhistles in discourse that others (myself included) think is perfectly innocuous at first glance, until the subtext is pointed out.

      Is that a type of dogwhistle?  Or is there a substantive difference which I am too tired and headachy from work to pick up?

    • hot tub political machine says:

      03:19pm | 31/03/11

      Erick, if I can detect someone lying does that mean I am a liar?

      If I can hear an agressive tone of voice behind polite words, does that make me aggressive?

      I also think you have dog whistling as a concept slightly off from its original definition. Yes everyone can hear it, but you can deny that is what your saying when called to account. Its hard to legally pin someone down on the connotations of their speech, when they can claim all they meant was the denotations. Even though, you me, Mrs. Bloggs and her dog - all know exactly what the language connotates

    • Erick says:

      03:38pm | 31/03/11

      Fair enough then. You’ve convinced me. Dogwhistling is a serious and acceptable concept.

      I therefore proclaim that I can take any statement made by anyone, and declare that it means whatever I want it to mean.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      04:10pm | 31/03/11

      Look at it this way Errick, If I give a girl a diamond ring in a champagne glass and say “This is for you” is it unreasonable of her to think I might be proposing? or should she just take it at face value and say “Thanks. Its a nice ring and champagne. Next round is mine”?

      Is it unreasonable to say that communication can contain implict messages, symbolism and connotation or is communication pure denotation?

    • Duff says:

      04:36pm | 31/03/11

      Erick, there really isn’t any whistle.  Or dog.  Perhaps you’ve pointed out a flaw in the analogy, when taken literally, but the concept the phrase is intended to encapsulate is still very real.  You’re smart enough to know it, to.  You’re just being argumentative.

    • Chris L says:

      04:47pm | 31/03/11

      Erick you’re being deliberately obtuse on this one. (not a dog whistle)

    • Max Redlands says:

      06:27pm | 31/03/11

      I think Erick has a point and I don’t believe it is too pedantic.

      @ hut tub “Is it unreasonable to say that communication can contain implict messages, symbolism and connotation…?”

      No it’s not unreasonable but nevertheless one ought to be careful. As you say it is “ïmplicit”.  That is: what is said is interpreted for its “ïmplied” meaning and with that comes (at varying degrees) the interpreter’s subjective view of things.

      As Richard points out, what happens next is the implied interpretation supercedes what was actually said.

      The dogwhistle turns into a Chinese whisper.

      It has the potential to be dangerous and damaging (imho).

    • mel says:

      06:46pm | 31/03/11

      Erick says: “I therefore proclaim that I can take any statement made by anyone, and declare that it means whatever I want it to mean.”

      Isn’t that what you do anyway?

    • hot tub political machine says:

      02:45pm | 31/03/11

      My social cohesion research analysis (which is at least equal to, if not more, credible than Morrison’s) shows that social cohesiveness in Australia would be vastly improved if Mr. Morrisson admitted his conduct has been unworthy of parliament and retired.

    • Tedd says:

      03:07pm | 31/03/11

      “unworthy of parliament”?

      As it is or as it should be?

      Certainly his conduct has been unethical and divisive.  Perhaps he likes his Xtianity as sectarianism.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      03:42pm | 31/03/11

      As it should be Tedd, sadly not as it is

    • Richard says:

      03:50pm | 31/03/11

      “Certainly his conduct has been unethical and divisive.”

      No. What’s been unethical of late is this smear campaign against the character of Scott Morrison, when he’s done absolutely nothing wrong.

      I suspect its actually because he’s done his job of pointing out government failures so well that there has now been a coordinated smear campaign launched against him by leftist elements of the media.

      There is no evidence that he is racist or divisive, he is simply expressing the views of a majority of the electorate. If that’s not PC enough for you, then I suggest you are the one with the problem, not him.

    • Tedd says:

      05:14pm | 31/03/11

      Richard, it has been leaked out of cabinet that Morrison was wanting to use Muslim-baiting as political point-scoring a few months ago, as well as his subsequent public comments on Islam and Muslim immigrants, and he has also been whining that immigrants, including non-christians, are no longer given a bible.

      He grand-stands regularly on these issues.

    • Richard says:

      05:40pm | 31/03/11

      Tedd, the cabinet “leak” was an unsubstantiated allegation, which was roundly denied by all involved parties. It can be given no credible weight. Try to submit that sort of hearsay as evidence in a court, you would be laughed at.

      What other evidence do you have? That he questioned the use of public funds to fly illegal immigrants all over the country and back again, in order to attend the funerals of their relatives who themselves died unlawfully attempting to enter our country?

      Well newsflash Tedd, as a shadow minister its his job to question government spending of public funds. If he wasn’t doing his job, then you could criticize him, but when he does do the job he has been assigned by our parliament to do, its unfair of you to criticize him for it, just because your an easily outraged bleeding heart who can’t handle the expression of other people’s views if they don’t agree with you.

      And how is a complaint that immigrants are no longer given a bible evidence of xenophobia or bigotry? I’m not a christian, yet I was given a gideon’s bible at high school. Its come in handy for all sorts of things, such as propping up a lounge chair when one of the feet fell off, and a myriad of other uses. I even saw a video on youtube which proved that the bible is quite an acceptable medium for making spliffs. Why should new immigrants be deprived all of these advantages by not being given a bible anymore? Morrison was trying to get immigrants a better deal, that certainly doesn’t constitute evidence of bigotry or xenophobia.

    • Miki says:

      03:07pm | 31/03/11

      Somewhere in a deep dark Liberal dungeon there is a large vat where; hubble bubble toil and trouble,  they ferment immigration rhetoric, xenophobia and wouldbe/ministers. Well maybe not, but…. Ruddock, Vanstone and Morrison.. you’ve got to wonder where they find such overwhelming toxicity.

    • Squeeze says:

      03:08pm | 31/03/11

      “Morrison has to recognise the contribution to those stresses caused by the combative way the Liberal party is playing politics since Tony Abbott was elected leader.” 
      Abbott can’t play ICB?
      Every step Labor takes to the left, the opposition can afford to take a step to the right and not lose the middle ground.
      It’s lucky few of the punters listen to parliament on ABC News Radio.  The index would plummet.  For a while at least. Until those punters got used to all the shouting from both sides.  Such theater. 

      Hands up who has at least one friend or family member who sticks their head in the sand and refuses to watch the news or pay attention to politics because they find it too depressing? Maybe the index is saying that they can’t hide from bad news anymore.

    • MarK says:

      03:30pm | 31/03/11

      “Nice work, Scott. You cite a figure which largely reflects your own argument, and the demeanour of your party. You stir the pot, the pot boils over, then you cite the stats to prove that Labor dunnit.”

      This wins the stupid comment of the year award to date.

      Amazing.

      The Liberals warn that relaxing the border protection laws would lead to a rise in irregular maritime arrivals.

      Nah say the left.

      People will die at sea.

      Nah say the left.

      People will die in detention.

      Nah say the left.

      People will have have to be housed on shore.

      Never say the left, Christmas Island is a white elephant, never be filled

      What a farce.

      Pointing out the obvious and directing peoples attention to a failure of mammoth proportions in policy where there are now 6000+ people in detention - vastly more than under Howard EVER - is not stirring the pot.

      Gillard lied about East Timor to smooth the issue in the election campaign. Gillard duped the msm into believing she had the mining tax the ETS and boat people all ticked off and managed pre election.

      You guys fell for it then and are tripping over yourselves now to cover it up.

      Call bullshit on a real bullshitter.

      She has red hair and is owned by Brown.

      Talk about the real bullshit.

      Pathetic attempt at your own strawman. Look at the nasty right wingers. All this is their fault.

      Is that your message Ant? What a joke.

    • Anthony Sharwood

      Anthony Sharwood says:

      04:31pm | 31/03/11

      My very simple message MarK, is that Morrison used an inappropriate set of stats to make a point.  Not only that but he got them wrong.

      As I said in the second par of my piece, there are other measures he could have used to demonstrate Labor’s failings, measures which do not (as the academic explains) reflect the public response to a political climate of his own party’s making.

    • Sam says:

      06:04pm | 31/03/11

      Good to see your back MarK, missed your comments. As usual i agree with 99% of what you say. Keep it up!!

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      11:42pm | 31/03/11

      You morons, refugees asking for help is nothing to do with frigging border protection.

      If it did you dingbats the refugee convention for the protection of refugees would have been called the border protection convention to make sure refugees are left behind to be slaughtered.

      Jesuse weeping I do get sick to death of you ignorant clowns.

      Why on earth you lot think that people who seek protection deserve to be abused the way we do is beyond me but one can only hope that the Afghans read your filth.

    • MarK says:

      12:03am | 01/04/11

      Oh I Call Bullshit Ant.

      The theme of your piece and one which you hark back to in the reply, is that of accuracy.

      Shall we examine that then?

      Here is a link for all the readers to the actual address. I find it quite a good speech.

      http://www.scottmorrison.com.au/info/speech.aspx?id=191&page=0

      Here is the print version

      http://www.scottmorrison.com.au/info/speech.aspx?id=191&page;=-1

      All 5,284 words of it.

      Now I will let you readers scroll through to find this offending piece of trash that has Ant so worked up. That’s it…..keep going.

      Right near the end.

      I will reprint it on all it’s ugly detail

      “It is a real concern that according to the Scanlon-Monash Index, social cohesion in Australia has declined by 8.6%, since the Labor Government was elected. “

      All 26 words of it.

      Look at the context in which it was used. Preceding the misstatement of the 8.6% (shock) which should have been 7.4% (OH THE HUMANITY) were these lines


      A successful big community depends critically on strong families and social cohesion.

      In that same CPAC speech in 1977 Reagan said;

      Families—not government programs—are the best way to make sure our children are properly nurtured, our elderly are cared for, our cultural and spiritual heritages are perpetuated, our laws are observed and our values are preserved.

      We fear the government may be powerful enough to destroy our families; we know that it is not powerful enough to replace them Menzies held the same view. In his Forgotten people radio broadcast in May 1942 he said:

      The home is the foundation of sanity and sobriety; it is the indispensable condition of continuity; its health determines the health of society as a whole.

      And it was John Howard that introduced the community based Family Relationship Centres.

      Family breakdown is a principal cause of poverty and disadvantage in this country. I can think of no greater national goal than keeping families together. “

      Hmmm

      Yeh

      All that dog whistling. I can see it now.

      “My very simple message MarK, is that Morrison used an inappropriate set of stats to make a point. “

      No. Your simple message is you want to see something that is not there and hunted hard and long to parse out a sentence from a 5,000 word speech and then scrambled to make a point by using the sentence out of context.

      Let us see. You have linked index that Scott blatantly manipulated to make a racist point. What else? Oh that’s right the Duckworth Lewis system and Golf Rankings.

      But not the speech?

      Could it be because if anyone dared to look they would find what I have?

      Let;s not stop there. What was theme again.

      Ahhh yes accuracy and truth. So you write

      “the Member for Cook thundered…blah blah blah”

      Thundered?

      Lol what?

      26 words out of 5,000 is thundering?

      I see….........well I don’t but I am sure you get the picture.

      You also write “There are any number of indicators which Morrison might’ve chosen to bolster that increasingly popular thesis.”

      Well what are these?

      “We are now through the looking glass of economic policy under Labor, where new taxes are pro-market, re-regulation of labour market is modernisation and defict, debt and cash handouts are economic conservatism.

      Added to that, Labor’s old world view that Government should be at the centre of our economy has re-emerged. “

      and

      “In recent debates I have been appalled by the lack of confidence that the Government has demonstrated in the sound mindedness of individual Australians. “

      Plenty of other numbers too. Lots of them in fact. It is a plethora of facts.

      to be continued….

    • MarK says:

      12:09am | 01/04/11

      continuing on


      So lets see your response to me.

      “As I said in the second par of my piece, there are other measures he could have used to demonstrate Labor’s failings”

      I Call Bullshit on that.

      Reading your piece you make it seem that the whole speech was about the quoted decline in the one index. He thundered it remember? Read the speech. Makes a mockery of your poetic choice of words.

      And then of course the last bit. Love it.

      “...measures which do not (as the academic explains) reflect the public response to a political climate of his own party’s making. “

      Yeh the academic that wrote such unforgettable titles as “Race: John Howard and the Remaking of Australia”

      It is merely the academics assertion in this case that not surprisingly meets your own desire to find a causative link at all costs between Morrison - dog whistling - xenophobia.

      Opinions vary and given sciences awesome record of late with the AGW lies and hysteria I would have thought a healthy bit of critical thinking would be in order on any case on any person that claimed to be an academic.

      Gosh. Gillard went to sea ffs with a landlocked member of her party from a marginal western Sydney seat to demonstrate her strength of will to fight off the hordes of illegal immigrants.

      Dog whistle?

      Good god Ant she did all but scream to the centre “look at me manning the guns to repel the hordes” and yet you with the help of the good professor seem to think this is all a sly and Machiavellian plot by Morrison and those nasty conservatives to appeal to the red necks and be sneaky racist pricks because he got a percentage wrong. Deliberately I guess because that extra 1.2% from 7.4% to 8.6% makes all the difference.

      Labor are the ones getting “tough” on this issue. Labor are the ones with 6,000+ in detention and the blood of 200 lost at sea around their neck. labor are the ones that should explain why globally claims for asylumn are down but are up here…..so much for push factors bullshit.

      labor are the ones embarrassing us internationally with the wet dream of a East Timor detention centre.

      And Scott got a percentage wrong. Well booyah.

      Really. I love how you put the really important bits front and centre and don’t exaggerate their importance.

      Pull the other one.

      You over reached.

      You have been caught.

      Forget bullshit. I call shenanigans and reserve the right to chase you with a broom.


      @Sam. Hi. Been in hospital. Stupid motor bike accident. Try not to believe that much of what I say. Probably not healthy.

    • Richard says:

      09:42am | 01/04/11

      Hi MarK, hope you heal up well~ we’ve all missed you here.

      You have really hit every nail on the head hard. This ludicrous situation, where we’ve had multiple suicides in detention this week, we’ve had the Timor solution lie which was used blatantly to win the election exposed and ridiculed by our regional peers, and yet here on the punch it seems, the most newsworthy story for them to write about is nit-picking Morrison for saying a single sentence in a 5000 word speech!

      Where was expose last week about how asylum seeker claims have fallen everywhere in the world in 2010, every where in the world bar Australia, where they shot up 30%? How come you guys didn’t think that story was newsworthy, but that a small snippet from a Morrison speech was newsworthy?

    • Luke says:

      03:39pm | 31/03/11

      “ICB: The stats that show we’re ripping apart”
      Is that a full sentence? ICB?
      “The Punch calls bullshit? That doesn’t sound correct?
      ICB again? This one’s new to me as well.
      Is this kewl talk or something?
      My God where have I been?

    • richo says:

      03:40pm | 31/03/11

      While Scott Morrison didn’t invent community resentment towards boat arrivals, he is in a position to make it worse.

      The pollies have created this ‘problem’. I had never heard of this ‘issue’ until the politicians decided to make a big deal of it. The community resentment is thanks to shock jocks and loud mouth pollies preaching to the ignorant.

      In my own community I have witnessed well adjusted open minded people suddenly turn on boat people like it’s the biggest issue ever faced. Apparently they are going to ruin our town, may I point out I live in a small town where immigration is not an issue, actually the population around here is in decline. Yet somehow people have formed the view we are being swamped by boat people, it all comes back to the Abbott’s, Morrison’s and even Gillard’s of this world telling these narrow minded country folk they are being invaded. If it wasn’t so sad it’d be funny.

      Also it’s interesting to see in the NSW state election, Pauline Hanson ran an anti-immigration campaign. Did anyone else think it was funny that the majority of her votes came from regional areas, the places where immigration is not an issue. I wonder how those regional people became so fearful of immigration, when it in no way impacts on their lives.

    • Richard says:

      03:42pm | 31/03/11

      There is a massive smear campaign being waged against Scott Morrison at the moment I’ve noticed. First there were the leaks that Morrison had allegedly tried to suggest that the Liberals exploit anti-Islamic sentiment in the community, and now this sort of thing.

      In my opinion, a shadow minister for Immigration should allowed to do his job of pointing out failures in government policy, and make comments about the prevailing sentiments in the community, without being accused of dog whistling. Its a smear to imply that people are racist when there is no credible evidence of that being the case.

    • Cate P says:

      04:54pm | 31/03/11

      Morrison’s doing an ICB on the govt’s detention centre mess and the truth hurts.  He’s doing well.

    • chelle says:

      04:54pm | 31/03/11

      Richard have you actually been watching, listening or reading what he has been saying ? Either you havent and are just saying this out of a biased view (probably similar to his own) or you have but have only been taking in that which suits you and ignoring vast amounts of what he has said. Observation of what someone says does not mean ‘smear campaign’. Stop being an apologist for this xenophobic and bigotted man.

    • Richard says:

      05:22pm | 31/03/11

      I have been listening chelle, I don’t don’t believe Morrison is xenophobic or bigoted. Those descriptors are slurs and smears, where is your evidence? When has he said “foreigners are evil”? He never has. He is the victim in this situation.  The paltry evidence that Morrison is xenophobic or bigoted would never stand up in court. Hearsay and innuendo, is that the best you’ve got? Pathetic.

    • Bruce says:

      05:36pm | 31/03/11

      Richard: This is the way minority parties work. When they do not get their way, everyone else is bigoted, lieing or just unfair.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      06:39pm | 31/03/11

      LOL, it’s all a left wing media conspiracy, a frame I tell ya. The fact that Scott Morrison used dodgy statistics and got them wrong has nothing to do with it. Scott Morrison is not a xenophobe, just a dumb ass who would fail first year university.

    • chelle says:

      08:29pm | 31/03/11

      I spend enough time watching question time and listening to what is said. I also watch entire interviews and panel discussions he is on. Any video of those would be clear evidence to any fair minded people in a jury in the court. Another thing is i havent said he has said foriegners are evil . Putting words in my mouth a typical far right wing trait that shows no observational skill just an attempt to try and smear what has actually been said with made up bulldust.Mabye you should try watching without blinkers on richard. 

      @bruce ... nothing to do with minor parties getting their way just that when someone from whatever party when they are bigotted, etc ... they should be called on it.

    • Richard says:

      10:23pm | 31/03/11

      “I spend enough time watching question time and listening to what is said”, and exactly what is it that is said chelle? You haven’t given an example, you haven’t provided any evidence at all. Apparantly you just get a “vibe” from Morrison every time he talks, and that is enough to convict him for the crime of xenophobia.

      Well that’s not the way it works. You’re just casting vague, nonspecific aspersions against the man, because you personally don’t like him, and then you accuse ME of putting words in people’s mouths… You’re the one putting words in Morrison’s mouth! You’re the one attempting to smear Morrison with made up bulldust!

    • Rosie says:

      03:46pm | 31/03/11

      Big Deal!

      So Mr Sharwood for Punch found a “mistake” of bringing people together in society in this case “cultural diversity” referring to asylum seekers!

      Thank God it was a “mistake” on Scot Morrison’s part and not a big fat Juliar Gillard Labor PM “lie” to keep Bob Browne happy, Gillard to remain in power and Australians to be fooled into thinking that Australia wasn’t going down the gurgler under this Govt.

      I listened to Scot Morrison and what I heard was a very passionate and caring Australian doing a job he was elected to do, the way he sees fit. I therefore do not believe your assumption he was pot stirring. “You stir the pot, the pot boils over, then you cite the stats to prove that Labor dunnit.”

      Pot stirring is what the media should avoid as we have enough coming out of the two major political parties, the Minority Govt trying desperately to remain in power and the Opposition who represents at least half of the population believes that this Govt deserves to be booted out.

    • Cate P says:

      04:02pm | 31/03/11

      You could just as easily say the range of indicators are showing a society under stress since 2009 because people began to feel uncertain about the government’s performance and direction they are taking us in 2009, when Rudd’s honeymoon was over; continued downwards after Rudd was booted by Gillard, then continued down with Gillard’s lacklustre performance and is continuing trending downwards with her post-election decisions.  Doesn’t sound like bs to me, sounds like a lot of worried voters.  But hey, I’m not a professor, what do I know?

    • Squeeze says:

      08:11am | 01/04/11

      Professor is a job title, not a qualification.

    • CB says:

      04:18pm | 31/03/11

      Change it to ICBM - I Call Bullshit, Mate!

      Much more Australian, and you get to put a rocket up it.

    • Hamish says:

      04:27pm | 31/03/11

      I call bullshit on this article. It’s a blatant attempt to denigrate Scott Morrison by attacking a statistic he uses rather than having the balls to just say you don’t like him or disagree with him.

      If the index is down since 2009, it is still down under the ALP. The fact that it wasn’t under Rudd but under Gillard is hardly a big deal.

      Where’s the ICB article on the East Timor solution? That whole thing was complete and utter bullshit bought completely by the media when it has been obvious for at least six months it was never going to happen.

      Putting this piece in the ‘ICB’ category is a clear editorial mistake. The Punch should know better than allowing partisan opinion to masquerade as a quirky ‘keep the bastards honest’ article. Amateurish at best.

    • The Guardian says:

      04:40pm | 31/03/11

      Hamish you do realize this is a News Ltd site don’t you?To say “The Punch should know better than allowing partisan opinion to masquerade as a quirky ‘keep the bastards honest’ article. Amateurish at best. ” shows your complete ignorance mate.

    • brian m says:

      05:05pm | 31/03/11

      73.5% of statistics are just made up.

    • richo says:

      05:30pm | 31/03/11

      I heard it was 74.6%.

    • Rod L says:

      10:22pm | 31/03/11

      Nah, its 73.5% of statistics are just made, up by 74.6%. Forgot the comma.

    • Col. of Blackburn says:

      05:28pm | 31/03/11

      In the 1950’s and 60’s there were NO ‘boat people’. People waited their turn to join the immigration queue to come to Australia. They all went to a ‘Migrant Hostel’ and eventually went into mainstream Australia. We still had an operating Migrant Hostel in Springvale until the late ‘70’s. All non-citizens who commit an Indictable Offence should be deported back to the country they came from

    • Warren says:

      06:33pm | 31/03/11

      Yeah, as long as they weren’t black or Jewish. The ‘good ol days’ ay Col.

    • Michelle says:

      06:58pm | 31/03/11

      If you smear everyone who questions immigration as “dog whistler” then you’re not a journalist, you’re a ideologue bent on shutting down debate and the shame is on you, not Scott Morrison. It’s fascist groupthink masquerading as journalism. It subtracts from our knowledge and turns the media into an agent of open-borders propaganda rather than freethought and critical thinking. The shame is on Sharwood for shutting down debate by demonising his opponents.

    • michael j says:

      07:21pm | 31/03/11

      YEAH well i missed the start of the address to the press club so i didn’t know the speaker was a serving senator ,but after 10 mins i thought who the hell is this FASCIST dick-head so it looks like it is again ,mudcrabers,bikies and fishermen
      next election,,,,,,,

    • The Badger says:

      08:19pm | 31/03/11

      Morrison a xenophobe?
      What’s next? Bolt a racist?

    • Dan says:

      11:00pm | 31/03/11

      Indeed, although according to Bolt; he ‘abhores’ racism! LOL! He should be a comedian.

    • Johnnt lib says:

      10:11pm | 31/03/11

      John Howard quote ‘We are victims of our own Decency’..Poignant

    • JT says:

      10:36pm | 31/03/11

      So he said 07 instead of 09, call the executioner!. What a load of crap this column is. Whether the stats are relevant or not really is in the eye of the beholder (personally I call BS on the idea of social cohesion) but I do not see how it was inappropiate to use them.

      As for the speech, I believe this is the speech he gave so everyone can go read it and judge it for themselves:

      http://www.scottmorrison.com.au/info/speech.aspx?id=191&page;=-1

      He says and I quote ‘‘It is a real concern that according to the Scanlon-Monash Index, social cohesion in Australia has declined by 8.6%, since the Labor Government was elected. ‘’

      This part comes 3/4 of the way through the speech and long after he has mentioned numerous and relevant statistics illustrating the failures of the Labor government.

      Anthony Sharwood I call bullshit on this pathetic excuse of a column.

    • steve parker says:

      11:08pm | 31/03/11

      Yeah sure - and was Gillard dog whistling posing around with Bradbury on that Navy interecept boat? Clown - one sided clown.

    • Zac says:

      12:08am | 01/04/11

      Australia is going down the what? For the last four years it has had one of the highest growth figures in the world. It has not gone into recession when the rest of the world has. Australia has one of the lowest unemployment rates in the world as well as the lowest levels of debt as well. Why is everyone so negative all the time. By the way, the so called “boat people” issue receives far too much airtime in Australia. The hysteria around the amount of arrivals is indeed staggering. There are countries in Europe that are dealing with more arrivals in a week, than what Australia receives in a year and yet there is nothing but compassion for them. It does not make front page news and the only political parties out there making news are the far right extremists.  I think Australians obsessed with this issue need to stop this “fortress mentality”, read section 116 of the Australian constitution and realise the only prerequisite to live in this country is to abide by the laws of the land…and nothing else.Arriving by boat seeking asylum is not an” illegal act”. That is why it is protected by an international convention.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      02:43am | 01/04/11

      What about the red hairs lie,
      Media dont talk about it much.
      Although im noticing a change in tact from Sky news who seem to be going harder on labor now. Maybe an order from Murdoch to switch to Abbott, think Rupert can see the writing on the wall.
      This gillard led party has got to be the worst labor has ever Produced, and DEFINATELY the worst in Australian political history.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      08:44am | 01/04/11

      You can bitch and call bullshit all you like, Ant, as long as someone actually stops the boats and I can’t see Joolya doing it, despite promising to. 
       
      How’s the East Timor processing centre coming along?

    • Tedd says:

      09:42am | 01/04/11

      The Howard govt did not stop the boats.

      The boats stopped independent of the Howard govts actions as there was a world-wide drop in refuge movements at that time - the most significant reason being a drop in Afghan refugees because the Taliban had been neutralised.

      see table 5.1
      “No of asylum applications in industrialised countries, 2000-2004”

      here - http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/arp/stats-01.html

      Region ...... 2000 ...... 2001 ........ 2002 ..... 2003 ......... 2004
      Europe ... 475,400 .. 492,390 . 481,720 . 396,780 . 314,260
      Can/USA .115,160 ..148,380 ..139,770 . 105,720 .... 77,860
      Aus/NZ ... ...14,620 ...13,970 ..... 6,860 .... 5,140 ....... 3,680

      and NZ started taking more in 2003-4 -
      http://www.aph.gov.au/library/intguide/sp/settlement.htm

    • Richard says:

      10:07am | 01/04/11

      Then Tedd, how come asylum applications in industrialised countries fell in every country in 2010, except Australia, where they rose 30%?

    • Ryan says:

      10:36am | 01/04/11

      @Tedd: how convenient for Howard and what an amazing co-incidence that the boats stopped coming exactly after TPV’s were introduced.
      You can fool some of the people some of the time Tedd.

    • Rob says:

      11:12am | 01/04/11

      “... How come asylum applications in industrialised countries fell in every country in 2010, except Australia…?”

      Bulls$#t.They didn’t. Refugee applications went up in the US, France, Germany, Sweden, and Belgium by more than they went up in Australia in 2010. What, did you think repeating a lie would make it more true?

      At least *somebody* bothered to produce some evidence, namely:

      http://www.unhcr.org/4d8c5b109.html

      But maybe those governments have tree-hugging, latté-sipping, lefty Presidents too? Like… Nicolas… Sarkozy…

      The short-black sipping, righty, bleeding brains of this country still don’t get it. The only way to stop the boats would be to destroy them all before they arrived. Or maybe if we invaded Indonesia and Sri Lanka, possibly we could then stop them before they left?

      The far-right megalothymotics really are clutching at sophisms. There is nothing wrong with the current arrangement of using excised-terrritory processing centres and we should be building more of them.

    • Tedd says:

      11:53am | 01/04/11

      Richard is being a troll for Scott M, the Lib-Nat coalition, the far-right, or all of these - probably was out there with Tony addressing the troops. Ya could call him their “b!#@h”

    • Tedd says:

      11:32am | 01/04/11

      Ryan,
      TPVs were introduced in 1999, long before the boats temporarily stopped.

      “As at July 2003, over 8,500 people have been granted TPVs in Australia. The vast majority of these people are from Iraq and Afghanistan.”
      http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/docs/resources/ppapers/pp-tvp-qanda-sep03.pdf

      Richard,
      Are you saying Howard is having an influence in 2010 in all those industrialised countries?

 

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