Welcome to this week’s I Call Bullshit, a regular column looking at spin and shenanigans, skulduggery and pseudoscience. This week we’re having a crack at Kylie Minogue’s honorary doctorate.

Kylie in atypical sartorial splendour. Pic: Getty Images

A UK university has awarded the Singing Budgie a doctorate in singing. Pardon? Did you say it wasn’t for singing? For music? No? Health Sciences?! Are you serious?

A doctorate is the highest academic degree in any branch of knowledge. So you’d want to be quite… knowledgeable, wouldn’t you?

Former PM Paul Keating received an honorary law doctorate recognising his economic and legislative reforms.  Journalist and author Ross Gittins recently got a Doctor of Letters, letters being his tools of trade.

I can see that Kylie, who lip-synced lyrics that were apparently easier than learning your ‘a b c’s, has made a long and outstanding contribution to pop and 80s hair and anodyne acting and hotpants, and maybe deserves a Doctorate of Music, or Arts, or Popular Culture (is there such a thing?), but Health Sciences? I Call Bullshit.

Minogue suffered breast cancer, and singlehandedly did plenty to raise awareness of the disease. The number of younger women who went for check ups (when usually they wouldn’t need to worry until later in life) soared.

Put another way, many younger women with very little chance of developing breast cancer worried needlessly and potentially accessed dangerous diagnostic techniques.

Just to be clear: Breast cancer is an awful, often fatal, very common disease that has destroyed many lives – and awareness is crucial. Regular mammograms, understanding of the genetic likelihood of developing it early, being taught how to check your own breasts and feeling comfortable about seeking further advice if you notice a change, these are all very important. But there is such a thing as misplaced ‘hyper awareness’.

Minogue was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2005, when she was in her 30s.

Age is the biggest risk factor for breast cancer – the older you are, the more likely you are to develop it. One in nine Australian women will be diagnosed with breast cancer by age 85. The average age of first diagnosis is 60. Take a look at this graph:

From the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare

Women can get breast cancer young – and it can be a particularly aggressive form. Most don’t. And all those women worrying and checking thanks to the “Kylie Effect” aren’t just harmlessly making sure they’re alright.

They’re propping up a burgeoning industry in breast cancer health clinics, many of which use unproven and inaccurate technology.

Some lives may be saved. On the other hand, some women may be wrongly given the all clear. Research has found Digital Infrared Thermal Imaging has a poor cancer detection rate – just 25 per cent.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission says women are being mislead into believing new technologies such as thermography are alternatives to mammograms.  They’re not. But they are often targeted at young women, for whom mammograms do not work because their breast tissue is too dense (young women who are genetically at high risk can have an MRI test done in a hospital).

Minogue is great on stage, but I’m not sure her health sciences knowledge is up to scratch, and I’m not sure her effort to raise breast cancer awareness was all for the good. ICB.

Never mind, at least the university got its name splashed all over the media.

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    • S.L says:

      12:30pm | 06/10/11

      A honorary doctorate to the Singing Budgie?
      The same person when asked her views on South Africa in the 80s famously said “save the white Rhino!”
      Who will get the next one…...... Rob Oakshott?

    • neo says:

      12:57pm | 06/10/11

      Well, she probably deserves it more than Obama did his Nobel Prize.

      Congrats Dr Minogue!

    • Plumbob says:

      01:48pm | 06/10/11

      Likewise Al Gore

    • Wag the Dog says:

      03:01pm | 06/10/11

      Nobel Peace Prize for Steve Jobs

    • Bruce says:

      10:29pm | 06/10/11

      Hey Kylie ! Nice hat. Does it match the shoes ?

    • Retired Soldier says:

      07:04am | 07/10/11

      Not a bad effort for a woman who can barely string a sentence together. I bet her family will be so proud that their little girl is now a Doctor. It says a lot about the value of Degrees these days. At least Keating and the others were educated.

    • scumbag says:

      12:35pm | 06/10/11

      You’re being bitchy Tory. Stop it now, right now. And get a new hairstyle! It’ll make you feel better. Typical shiela.

    • Tory Shepherd

      Tory Shepherd says:

      01:29pm | 06/10/11

      Ha, thanks, scumbag! I didn’t mean to be bitchy, but it genuinely does concern me that people are making wads of cash out of cancer scares, thanks to all this hyper awareness!

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      02:50pm | 06/10/11

      I’m with Tory, I don’t like the human papilo virus injections either because there is absolutely no evidence that anyone has ever been prevented from get cervical cancer because of it.

      HPV is one of the least causes of cervical cancer yet they are making millions giving girls injections with limited testing.

      If people are going to get cancer they will, and the cancer industry rips of people all over the world to pretend otherwise.

      As for Kylie, can’t sing, can’t dance, can’t act.

      She and her sister are well packaged no talents.

    • Chris L says:

      04:07pm | 06/10/11

      I like Tory’s hair.

    • kelly says:

      08:21am | 07/10/11

      @Scumbag, that’s bloody rich. Telling Tory she’s being a bitch and then a dig at her hair.
      I Call Bitch on you scummy.

    • PsychoHyena says:

      08:27am | 07/10/11

      @Marilyn, except the injections are provided free-of-charge to girls while they are going through school. When the immunisation was first released it was also free, in fact the doctor who developed the immunisation insisted that it be provided free-of-charge because of its importance.

      @Tory, sure there was an increase in the number of women getting mammograms, but considering that from the age of 18 it is advised to get yourself checked for cervical and breast cancer regularly, is it really a bad thing? Honestly raising awareness that this could affect younger women was highly important, look at the number of younger women who have been diagnosed early as a result and they’ve been able to have it treated without surgery.

    • It Happens says:

      09:04am | 07/10/11

      Marilyn is obvious tlaking about something she has no idea.  HPV is responsible for just about all cervical cancers.The current vaccine(s) are against the two most common forms of HPV which CAUSE, yes CAUSE 70% of cervical cancers! I take it you wouldn’t know an oncogene from a pair of Levis.

      We all know 60 year olds are secret Kylie fans who used to watch neighbours so its likely that awareness was also raided in this section of the community as they are the most likely to buy the “gossip” magazines it was published in.

      No one is ever going to give Kylie a job where a PhD is required.  Speaking as someone with a PhD, If Kylie’s raising awarness has saved a single life its worth having a few extra letters at the end of her name.

    • Kassandra says:

      03:05pm | 07/10/11

      @ Marilyn Shepherd

      I am struggling to reply politely to your ill-informed comments about HPV, cervical cancer and vaccination. It is not comparable to breast imaging techniques in young women to screen for breast cancer. Try a quick google and you will find plenty of information such as:
      http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/HPV

      There are over 150 HPV viruses which can cause papillomas, or warts, hence their name. Most are benign and self-limiting but there is overwhelming evidence that persistent HPV infection with some types can cause a number of cancers in humans.

      There are two approved vaccines available which are both highly effective against HPV types 16 &18; which cause around 70% of cervical and anal cancers. One is also effective against HPV types 6 & 11 which cause 90% of genital warts.

      These vaccines have the potential to prevent 70% of cervical cancer. Cost is not a factor in this treatment and nobody is making millions out of it. Sadly only ignorance and prejudice will deprive some young women of the protection it can provide to them.

    • St. Michael says:

      12:37pm | 06/10/11

      ...like your average university actually provides anything in the way of true “higher education” than your average TAFE college does?

    • Reg says:

      01:48pm | 06/10/11

      True… I’d much prefer to be treated by a doctor who has received a certificate of medicine from their local TAFE… forget the university degree.

      Muppet..

    • Smith says:

      08:24am | 07/10/11

      Missed out on your bachelors because of drunken tom foolery did you petal. Twat.

    • Kika says:

      12:40pm | 06/10/11

      Oh well… it’s no skin from my nose whether she has a doctorate or not. I can’t say that I really see her as being the number 1 breast cancer advocate around. When I think of breast cancer advocates I’d think of Jane McGrath, Kim Walters, Olivia Newton John… Kylie doesn’t rate. Maybe she does in the UK. I don’t know.

      I agree though - I remember when she was diagnosed I found a lump and insisted on getting an ultrasound done. It was nothing, just one of those byproducts of the menstrual cycle. And mammograms also don’t work on young people nor older women with smaller breasts because they work by clamping down on the tissue, so it’s very useful if you have long saggers. Pardon my language.

      My gripe about the whole thing is why does breast cancer get so much focus? They have advertised themselves well. But what about bowel and lung cancer which both kill more Aussies, men and women, per year. And prostate cancer? And skin cancer… my uncle just had a big melanoma cut off his back. His 12th or something ridiculous. He was a child of the 60’s and 70’s in the pre-sunscreen days and is now paying heavily for it. Unfortunately the rest of his family were olive skinned and could cope a little bit more with the sun so he’s paying for their sun exposure now.

      I’d like to see the brown ribbon appeal - to raise awareness of bowel cancer.  It’s not as glamorous as talking about pretty things like pink ribbons and ladies breasts, but it kills more people and should be taken more seriously!! Often by the time you’ve got serious symptoms it’s well advanced.

    • MK says:

      02:05pm | 06/10/11

      The Pink tide makes we want to puke,
      I will deliberatley source substitute prodcts if what i was going to buy gets infected by the pink scourge.
      It was great you wrote that artilce Tory, but was long overdue and the trickle of such articels are washed away by the mighty pike tide,

      Michael slater should have got a bloody medal for playing hiis little violin in the background during a breast cancer promotion.

      skig cancer might not be sexy, but it does get a fair plug
      I have had skin cancer depsite being more careful than 99% of pupulation 99.9% of the time (i am paying and will continute to pay for basically two days one in 2000, one in 2004)

      lung cancer is kind of covered by anti smoking campaigns
      also a lot of press

      prostate cancer gets a whisper
      but bowel cancer was almost unheard of (in the media)
      though there were handful of good ads, was it last year
      about the guy talking about his colonoscopy expereince

    • Markus says:

      02:30pm | 06/10/11

      Apparently breast cancer lobbyists are absolutely reviled by all other foundations, as they regularly hijack meetings and functions raising money and awareness for other afflictions, trying to turn the focus to breast cancer.

    • fairsfair says:

      03:06pm | 06/10/11

      They discussed the “Pink phenomenon” on Gruen Planet last night. You should try and catch it on ABC2 tonight if you missed it. It was rather interesting though tainted with a bit of PC crap. I am a bit like you MK - I find myself avoiding pink things because I am sick of it. It was discussed last night that the branding makes people less likely to actually give money to that charity as a formal “donation” and that on some products (like an $800 sewing machine that is pink) only $5 goes to the charity. A $35 bottle of vitamins, 10c.

      It just seems like a modern age scam sometimes, to the detriment of others.

    • Shane* says:

      03:21pm | 06/10/11

      Today, Steve Jobs died of pancreatic cancer.

      Around 550 Victorians die of pancreatic cancer every year. It has a survival rate of 6%.

      Around 700 Victorian women die of breast cancer every year. It has a survival rate of 89%.

      Now, that huge disparity in survival rates is largely due to the excellent work of campaigners in years gone by. And I also acknowledge that breast cancer affects more people. But can I please ask the incredible un-PC question: Isn’t it time we started investing money in other cancers too?

    • Shane* says:

      12:49pm | 06/10/11

      Her Doctorate hould have read “for raising awareness of a disease everyone was already aware about, and for perhaps making life difficult for people committed to efficient population screening.”

    • Mitchell Meek says:

      12:50pm | 06/10/11

      In many instances, the idea of an ‘Honorary’ qualification is justified… the examples your cited are perfect illustrations of this. Kylie’s, however, is completely abhorrent. Completely unjustifiable, and an affront to those individuals who are working incredibly hard in MEDICAL CIRCLES to develop more effective treatments and determine cures for diseases such as cancer.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      09:36am | 07/10/11

      I’m with you Mitch…
      It’s bloody hard work to complete an Honours year let alone a Masters and then a PhD. To be a Dr. is to have achieved the highest standard in an academic field to which the recipient has had to added NEW knowledge. You don’t get a PhD for regurgitating knowledge already in the academic arena.
      Honorary Doctorates really suck, reducing the very prestige of real doctorates. There must be another way to acknowledge service - perhaps she should have been awarded a knighthood or a peerage - a hereditary peerage perhaps.
      Then again very few honorary PhDs actually use their honorific in deference to the real PhDs. Take the Billy Connolly (Hon. Dr) and wife Pamela (PhD Dr.)

    • Bruce says:

      12:06pm | 07/10/11

      Meek: Agree. If these desparate universities want to give these recognitions away, maybe they should call these recognitions something else. eg a community award etc. Those that persued a Phd etc taking many years to complete, would rightfully be ‘miffed’.

    • James1 says:

      12:51pm | 06/10/11

      I’m seriously considering returning my own doctorate after hearing this news.

    • adam says:

      12:52pm | 06/10/11

      ffs Tors.

      It’s an honorary doctorate not a real one, she’ll accrue no benefits and it doesn’t affect anyone else in a material way.

      When did the world develop this undercurrent of stroppiness?

    • Freeman says:

      01:14pm | 06/10/11

      depends on your political leanings. many who would scoff at the thought of minogue earning this title would hold Al Gore up as an expert in AGW science.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      01:55pm | 06/10/11

      @Freeman

      Apple + Pear = Raspberry?

    • Chris L says:

      04:13pm | 06/10/11

      In an alternate reality Tory expressed admiration for Minogue and her doctorate… and Freeman still implied that was a typical lefty stance.

    • iansand says:

      12:53pm | 06/10/11

      A lot of the time honorary degrees are about publicity for the institution granting them.

    • Ed says:

      01:50pm | 06/10/11

      Really…?

      In other groundbreaking news, water is wet…

    • Cyn says:

      03:22pm | 06/10/11

      @ Ed, Hilarious!!!!!!!!

    • iansand says:

      06:11pm | 06/10/11

      I laughed so much that the tears ran down my legs.

    • TomZ says:

      01:02pm | 07/10/11

      iansand, a good perspective.
      @Ed, however witty, I thought your comment was a little bit unwarranted. I have seen far more banal observation masquerading as insight on this site.

    • Erick says:

      12:54pm | 06/10/11

      Hey, if Barack Obama can get a Nobel Peace Prize just for being elected, anything is possible.

      Too many honours are purely political in nature.

    • James1 says:

      01:21pm | 06/10/11

      Really?

      What about Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr (etc) Chomsky?  He has something like 80 honourary doctorates, as well as a real one.  Surely those 80 honourary doctorates can’t be political?

    • stevem says:

      03:17pm | 06/10/11

      I wonder how many doctorates Chomsky would have if he made equally valid comments from the right rather than the left?

    • Chris L says:

      04:34pm | 06/10/11

      None… and he’d have his real one taken away ‘cause conservatives don’t need an education to know better than the experts.

    • Jason Todd says:

      06:33pm | 06/10/11

      Chris L - That comment brought a tear to my eye.

      Perfectly executed sir.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      09:40am | 07/10/11

      OOOh Chris - nice.

    • Audra Blue says:

      01:05pm | 07/10/11

      I suspect that the Dean has a monster academic chubby for the popster and that’s why she got her doctorate.

    • TrueOz says:

      12:54pm | 06/10/11

      She should be so lucky,
      Lucky, lucky, lucky…

    • fairsfair says:

      01:26pm | 06/10/11

      I’m spinning around.

    • adam says:

      01:40pm | 06/10/11

      doin’ the locomotion
      ( with an image of fairs in hotpants in my head)

    • fairsfair says:

      02:04pm | 06/10/11

      careful adam… it can not be unseen!

      Better the devil you know.

    • St. Michael says:

      03:36pm | 06/10/11

      Course it can be unseen, if you step back in time.

    • TrueOz says:

      04:30pm | 06/10/11

      ...too much…

      ...‘cause I just can’t get it outa my head…

    • Kassandra says:

      01:02pm | 06/10/11

      Honorary degrees are an insult to everyone who managed to get into university and who then had to study and pass exams to get theirs, often involving significant sacrifice as well as a lot of damn hard work. Going on to a doctorate generally involves earning a Master’s equivalent qualification first and then spend years on a research thesis. Demeaning to the whole idea of university.

    • Mark G says:

      11:29am | 07/10/11

      Kassandra,

      Absolutely agree, it lowers the value of study. A lot of degrees are already struggling with credibility issues due to the devaluing of qualifications. Why continue to allow these bastions of academic achievement to be destroyed by blatant celebrity culture. If she deserves a doctorate, where is her thesis? Even honorary doctorates used to require work that was the equivalent of a thesis. Honorary doctorates use to be for recognition of academic work that was done outside of an established university that represented the equivalent of a thesis. Charity work is NOT academic. Neither is work that simply increases awareness of a disorder/disease. I agree that Kylie deserves some recognition for her work but not an academic qualification. It’s like making a professional footballer a doctor of sports science.

    • Derr says:

      01:03pm | 06/10/11

      Well Tory, do you think that might be probably why they call it ‘honorary’.... You don’t necessarily have to be an expert in the field.  I sure wouldn’t want Keeting representing me if I was on charge for a serious crime..

    • Tory Shepherd

      Tory Shepherd says:

      01:33pm | 06/10/11

      Law degrees can be applied in plenty of different ways, and I can see how Keating’s practical knowledge of legislation could earn him an honorary degree. I just don’t see Minogue as having the same practical knowledge of health.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      01:05pm | 06/10/11

      Honorary Doctorates are not, and never have been for academically knowledgeable people – such people already have academic honours. They are for people who have succeeded in non-academic fields. It’s a way of Universities paying respect to learning through life experience. So it shouldn’t really be a shock that a pop musician has an honorary doctorate. Look through all the airport novelists, sports people and actors who have them.

      Danny isn’t really an extraordinary case.

    • Tory Shepherd

      Tory Shepherd says:

      01:34pm | 06/10/11

      Hot tub, I’d understand that if it was in her field, but health sciences is just not her field by any stretch of the imagination.

    • Shane* says:

      02:24pm | 06/10/11

      The Dalai Lama has around 15-20 Honorary Doctorates, is an honorary citizen of about 12 countries, and is a professorial fellow many times over.

    • Mark G says:

      02:37pm | 07/10/11

      ‘Honorary Doctorates are not, and never have been for academically knowledgeable people – such people already have academic honours. They are for people who have succeeded in non-academic fields.’

      Incorrect. Honorary doctorates were originally introduced to reward people who have demonstrated significant academic achievements independent of an educational institution. This occurs in such areas as private enterprise and government. It allows the recognition of doctorate (or thesis level) work that wasn’t completed as part of a certified university program.  It rewards the achievements of a person who is clearly qualified to hold a doctorate, without having to go through the full processes of formally completing university sponsored work/research. IT IS STILL AN ACADEMIC QUALIFICATION. This has since been destroyed by certain second rate tertiary institutions and their publicity stunts.

      ‘Look through all the airport novelists, sports people and actors who have them. ‘

      This is only because the variety of areas that you can receive a doctorate in has expanded. None of the above mentioned people have a doctorate in science or medicine. This in itself is an issue because it is eroding the prestige of the qualification. Bachelors degrees have already reached a point were there not worth the paper they are written on because of the myriad of useless qualifications that you can now get a degree for.

    • Anna C says:

      01:14pm | 06/10/11

      I thought she got an Honorary Doctorate for hot pants wearing. Silly me, thanks for clearing that up for me Tory. It’s amazing how far lack of talent can get you now days.

    • slc says:

      01:17pm | 06/10/11

      It’s from a crappy little Essex University….no big deal

    • Kika says:

      01:27pm | 06/10/11

      OI! Don’t mess with Essex innit!

    • Wag the Dog says:

      01:19pm | 06/10/11

      Noice hat.

    • bella starkey says:

      01:40pm | 06/10/11

      Seriously! Can you just buy those?

      I would also go the cloak, love a good cloak and hat combo.

    • Esteban says:

      01:21pm | 06/10/11

      I heard on the radio today that the “Kylie” effect had resulted in a 20 fold increase in women reporting for mamograms. Sounds like a lot but that was what was reported.

      Everyone has an agenda and the breast cancer people simply want to leverage off the “Kylie” effect for as long as possible. That is their sole focus and the ends justifies the means.

      I am sorry for those that feel it demeans their doctorate work but it might save some lives. It is a bit like people who think gay marriage demeans marriage in general. Your feelings are to be set aside for the good of the majority.

      We live in an era of spin and self interest groups. There is so much BS every day in our lives. An honoury doctorate for Kylie is not the worst example. Besides she looks as cut as a button in that mortar board.

    • Jason Todd says:

      06:45pm | 06/10/11

      Double edged sword there Esteban, if you have 20 times the number of people reporting for testing that may or may not be nessessary, you clog the system for those that genuinely need it.

      Having said that, I have no real problem with an honorary doctorate for Kylie. Some university thinks that she deserves it - I suppose it’s their call.

    • KH says:

      01:31pm | 06/10/11

      This is like giving Erick an honorary degree in womens studies. Bwahahaha.
      The whole concept of ‘honorary degrees’ is a crock.  I mean seriously, what university would think they are gaining anything by awarding dimwit pop singers PhD’s?

    • St. Michael says:

      03:38pm | 06/10/11

      Erick at least has had some tangential association with gender-based issues.  That’s sort of the point of the whinge.

    • fairsfair says:

      01:32pm | 06/10/11

      Ah good on her. She got the message out at the time. I had a cancer scare at 20 - it was terrible. Because I was so young my appointment (ultrasound not Mamogram as I was told that they are essentially innefective on younger breast tissue) was cancelled about three times and on the day it happened I arrived at 9:00am and waited for over six hours and was continually referred to “as the young girl”. Nobody took it seriously. Thankfully, there was no reason too, but they weren’t to know that the lump I could feel wasn’t cancerous, or pre-cancerous even.

      If her experience saved one young girl, or helped change the attitudes of people toward young women presenting with symptoms - good on her.

      I also wonder if anyone has thought about the fact she may just very well do a great deal for the cause without seeking the publicity for it?

    • adam says:

      02:03pm | 06/10/11

      good to see you pulled through Fairs, when in hossy for a substantial burn I was constantly refered to as hamburger, somewhat reductive

    • Soos says:

      02:59pm | 06/10/11

      Better be careful there FF, you might upset those people who love nothing better than to put others down, for whatever/no reason.

    • fairsfair says:

      06:20pm | 06/10/11

      Couple of burnt buns eh adam? wink

    • Greg says:

      01:40pm | 06/10/11

      Well said Tory.

      This is one reason why I am supportive of Lance Armstrong’s Livestrong foundation. It covers all cancers, not just fashionable ones involving boobs or kids. But also much less fashionable ones, like pancreas, kidneys and sphincters.

    • mick says:

      01:41pm | 06/10/11

      It just goes to show that money and fame buys all.

      Having worked my backside off for an engineering degree it galls me that universities anywhere in the first world are allowed to give out degrees which have not been ‘earned’ like lollies to famous or wealthy people.  A degree is an acknowledgement of academic achievement, not position.  It cheapens the work of many people who devote years of their life attaining such qualifications and it should not be permitted.  Governments who fund universities need to take note.

    • Sheela Shanks says:

      01:49pm | 06/10/11

      Your only jealous Tory. Kylie is pretty and you are plain.

    • fairsfair says:

      02:03pm | 06/10/11

      Kylie is looking more and more like Jocelyn Wildenstein each and every day. I certainly wouldn’t take offence to this one Tors!

    • James In Footscray says:

      02:04pm | 06/10/11

      On the contrary! We love Tory!

    • James In Footscray says:

      02:05pm | 06/10/11

      On the contrary! We love Tory!

    • NicoleG says:

      02:10pm | 06/10/11

      You’re right Sheela, Kylie is pretty. Pretty FUGLY.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      02:15pm | 06/10/11

      ICB on this. I’m an Adelaide boy and have seen Tory out and about once (I’ve never spoken to her in case anyone is wondering). Plain she is not.

    • Zeta says:

      02:07pm | 06/10/11

      Getting an honorary doctorate from the 107th best university in England is the academic equivalent of a happy meal toy. Anglia Ruskin is the English equivalent of Bankstown TAFE.

      Their only notable alumnus is 2007 Glasgow airport bombing terrorist Kafeel Ahmed. Maybe they’re just trying to improve their patronage.

      Honorary Doctorates are only truly meaningful from a respected institution. Like, if Cambridge gave Kylie an honorary doctorate it would be meaningful. But seriously, I sent away for a Doctorate in parapsychology and chaos magic from the Miskatonic University. You can get them for postage and handling.

    • St. Michael says:

      03:39pm | 06/10/11

      How’d the field trip to Antarctica go?

    • James1 says:

      03:39pm | 06/10/11

      I respectfully disagree.  If Cambridge gave her an honorary doctorate, not only would it not be meaningful, it would rob every other Cambridge honorary doctorate of all meaning at one fell swoop.

      Honorary doctorates are like the primary school principal’s award that is given to the kid from government housing for not fighting for two weeks.  Although I am sure you can analogise honorary doctorates better than I can, Zeta.

    • Audra Blue says:

      01:17pm | 07/10/11

      Does Bankstown have a TAFE now?  Crikey, they’ve come up in the world!

    • Mahhrat says:

      02:14pm | 06/10/11

      I’m just forever grateful she didn’t get cancer of the derriere.

    • Bob says:

      02:18pm | 06/10/11

      It ranks alongside Sir Les Pattersons doctorate of laws from Cambridge.

    • centurion48 says:

      02:25pm | 06/10/11

      OK. Enough is enough. Emma Jane opined about bosoms and now Tory writes about Kylie, the soft porn queen - who probably wasn’t who Emma Jane had in mind - and her association with breast cancer.
      It must be Breast Cancer Week so we are being assailed with titty stories. I hope next week isn’t Drug-crazed Housewives Week.

    • Chris L says:

      04:44pm | 06/10/11

      What if they were bored and horny drug-crazed housewives?

    • Mark G says:

      02:45pm | 07/10/11

      Makes for some good soft porn documentaries though.

    • Ian1 says:

      03:21pm | 06/10/11

      Considering the work Kylie does with the terminally ill, and through the countless experiences she shares with those in hospitals, Kylie could easily conquer a thesis on the benefits of music in healing patients.
      Be fair Tory, she may well have earn’t it.

    • James1 says:

      03:42pm | 06/10/11

      Then she should do exactly that before accepting it, like those of us with real doctorates had to.  In the interests of fairness, naturally.

    • thatmosis says:

      03:23pm | 06/10/11

      When I first heard about this I thought hell I dont even like her singing and WTF but after delving into the work that Kylie does for Breast Cancer Awareness I think she deserves the award. As for you, the little green eyed monster, you have shown that any woman who gets something you dont is open to attack, get a real job and leave her alone. Bitchyness doesnt become you although your pretty good at it. Just think if you actually did something instead of slagging people off you might even get a reward, .like the Almost Human Award.

    • andre says:

      03:40pm | 06/10/11

      Ha ha ha ha !!! Excellent!!\
      This shows in which direction so called science is doing the locomotion..

    • MD says:

      04:04pm | 06/10/11

      You are now aware Dr. Dre has an honorary doctorate, and should be known as Dr Dr Dre.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      04:19pm | 06/10/11

      hahaha, brilliant.

    • toorak tutor says:

      04:26pm | 06/10/11

      if kylie minogue got a doctorate in medical science then the doctorate course in medical science must be much easierr than the bachelor of medical science and master of medical science

    • TheHuntress says:

      06:01pm | 06/10/11

      I find this so incredibly insulting to all those wonderful people I know or have had the pleasure of working with who have achieved their doctorate. I find it especially insulting to my friend who is currently slaving away in a lab at all hours and desperately trying to make enough cash to pay the bills so he can hopefully get the ball rolling towards a treatment or cure for mesothelioma and achieve his doctorate. I might tell him to give up on the lab and just start wearing hot pants and singing pop songs…it almost seems he would have more dignity in doing so than the current route of achieving a doctorate.

    • John says:

      07:40pm | 06/10/11

      Such a hateful article…tall poppy syndrome is alive and well in Australia. To ‘have a crack’ at what is a serious issue is shoddy journalism at its worst. If the women helped get some women to get checked then what’s to hate? Let your poppy’s grow tall Australia..stop hating. To keep looking and dwelling on the negative spin is sad indeed!!

    • Against the Man says:

      08:10pm | 06/10/11

      I don’t think this is tall poppy syndrome, just an opinion by Tory. Countering that opinion is likely the best route to take John.

      I don’t see the hate. But to each his/her own.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      08:57pm | 06/10/11

      Tall poppies should be burned lest they make opium….

    • Brian says:

      10:00pm | 06/10/11

      Is it slow news day for The Punch? I hope Kylie will sue you over some discrimination law like Andrew Bolt has been.

      Trying to take away the credibility in terms of Kylie promoting cancer awareness is probably the cheapest act of all to be suspicious of their charitable motive. Kylie may not be an active promoter publicly, but she does a lot of charity privately.

      By the way, Tory, you have got one fact VERY WRONG. Kylie DOES sing live in concert. It’s just that in the UK, if you go on a television live show, the show producer asks you to lip-synch.

    • stephen says:

      06:24pm | 07/10/11

      Thanks for that Brian, and getting all festered about Kylie’s boob-charities is like seeing a bloke with his dick falling off promoting anti-gravity : I mean, what are yer gonna do, heh ?

    • Sarah says:

      10:55pm | 06/10/11

      I agree with Tori. I think things like this undermine the people who earn their degrees.

    • Seamus says:

      06:48am | 07/10/11

      The green-eyed monster raises its head.

    • Average Joe says:

      07:20am | 07/10/11

      Tory, IC your article B. As you say: you don’t know if her health sciences knowledge is up to scratch and you don’t know if her efforts to raise beast cancer awareness was all for the good. So why slag off at her today? Maybe tomorrow. when you ARE sure, would be more appropriate?
      Meantime why not focus upon something significant such as the openingof the A league this weekend? omb
      Love your gap by the way grin

    • John says:

      07:29am | 07/10/11

      I use to have some respect for people with the title “doctor”  or Professor but now they can all go and get lost.If any tart can be called a Doctor then I will call myself GOD.

    • Simon says:

      02:45pm | 07/10/11

      John, an honorary degree from any university does not give the recepient the right to use the term “Dr”. Remember a PhD is a Doctorate of Philosphy, not Medicine, lets not get carried away. The happyiest day of my life was receiving my PhD and i don;t think that this ‘story’ takes away from that at all.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      09:59am | 07/10/11

      John, It’s unusual for an Honorary PhD to use the honorific. Etiquette precludes the use - ever heard other honorary PhD actually use it?

    • stockinbingal roo says:

      10:29am | 07/10/11

      I acknowledge the efforts in obtaining a degree but those people must not think that it makes them a better person than those who do not have a degree. It’s acedemic snobbery. Please think yourselves lucky that you were in a position, (financially and socially) to have the opportunity to study.

    • Jay Bird says:

      11:34am | 07/10/11

      Having toiled for years to complete my own PhD, I nearly wept when I saw Ms Minogue in her cap and gown.

    • kitteh says:

      02:10pm | 07/10/11

      I have a Ph.D in health sciences. It took me five years to complete. During that time I was battling with a serious health issue myself, living on a scholarship that amounted to less than half of the minimum wage, working two part-time jobs and volunteering at my university. Since I graduated I have worked in a series of research and teaching positions with no job security and very poor pay. My situation is by no means unique, either. Australia treats scientists with such little respect that most of them leave to work in the US or change fields entirely. I personally know of many bright and successful researchers who have given up their beloved career and retrained in order to support a family or save for retirement.

      I can’t ask for sympathy - it’s the vocation I chose. But my point is that awarding a degree in health sciences - yes, even an honorary one, and yes, even one from a fourth-rate institution - to Kylie Minogue denigrates the field even further. It is simply laughable to compare her achievements (and I might add that her involvment in the field was spurred by her own experience) to the scientists that are at work ‘in the trenches’ for nothing but their passion for the field. They have earned their title through their 18-hour days, constant battle for funding and years of further education - you don’t stop learning just because you get a Ph.D. We shouldn’t be making this into a joke. At a time when fewer and fewer bright young students are entering the field, we simply can’t afford this.

    • Anthony Leach says:

      04:53pm | 07/10/11

      No one ever had a problem referring to Charlie Perkins as ‘Doctor Charles Perkins’ after he received his honory doctrate.

    • stephen says:

      06:08pm | 07/10/11

      Yeah but look at the school that gave it to her ; it’s about as relevant as the one that gave Marcus Einfeld his PHD in Jurisprudence : a tin shed in Nebraska.
      And it’s nice that she apes on that she just loves footy, holdens and parramatta road and everytime I see her pic, she’s winding herself around a wog/tennis coach with more hair on his chest that R. Dipeodemenico has on his back and she calls Oz home only when she wants us peasants to know she made it big.
      If she don’t live here, she ain’t an Aussie.

    • Sunny says:

      08:53pm | 07/10/11

      I’m prepared to call Kylie’s ass Dr Minogue.

    • Kim says:

      11:54am | 09/10/11

      Tori: do me and other young women with breast cancer a favour. Come and sit in the breast clinic I first sat in at 31 when I was diagnosed with breast cancer. You would be amazed by the amount of women in their 20’s up to
      early 40’s who I sit with and have discussions about articles like this which do NOTHING for those with breast cancer or other cancers. Why does breast cancer get so much attention? Because they are mothers, wives, sisters, aunts, grandchildren and grandmothers. I’m not sure either if you have sat in palliative care when a woman is surrounded by her children knowing she will die before they even reach high school. It is heartbreaking. I don’t care either way if Kylie has a doctorate or not or even if she deserves one. I’m too busy trying to
      fight each day, because now at 35 (4 years into treatment) i am tired, over it and always wondering when it will come back, having my breasts removed, sick of being in menopause, sick of articles like this that do nothing for anyone. I too dislike the way companies have jumped on board the pink wagon. I have to go
      to the supermarket and be constantly reminded of my cancer. You go
      To the supermarket and come back and write articles like this. Your article does more harm than good for breast cancer and the people that have to live with the life sentence. People of all ages need to be aware because whatever cancer it is and who you are it does not discriminate. Those young girls you point out who have become needlessly worried and got checked? Heck, I may have been one of those. Thank god I did not listen to I’ll informed articles like yours. Come speak to us breast cancer folk and ask
      us personally how we deal with each day and what we think of these issues.

    • Celeste says:

      12:44pm | 11/10/11

      Just to make it clear we are talking about Kylie and the fact that she recieved a docterite right? So why is it that the article, that started fab ended up in a hissy fit over the fact that women were checked for cancer?
      Just because maybe 100 more people were checked means that maybe 1 more life was saved, it’s worth it isnt it?
      I don’t see K-Rudd getting the word out there on breast cancer, or even the Australian Priminister. If one person wants to get out there and make a horrible cancer known than good on them. You do what Kylie’s done for women with cancer than turn around. Sour is not a pretty look after all.

    • Claire says:

      09:01pm | 10/11/11

      Tory is it this way your parent raise you to trash those nice people who had real talent? It not Kylie fault the university awarded her a doctorate. Are you jealous of her success. I have never heard her and her sister trash any body. What example are you giving to this new generation. As a role model to young people are you promoting how to trash others the way you want them to trash you. If you trash your life don’t teach other to trash their life too.

    • Oldmanwinter says:

      07:43pm | 22/11/11

      Let me get this straight. The treatments are “Free”, the cancer foundation needs “Awareness”, Young women can be diagnosed at their age but its harder to do…. and Kylie serves up a large tray of test bunnies who have a 3 out of 4 chance of getting good news.

      Positive (early detection)
      Negative (all clear)
      False Positive (trauma but not fatal)
      False Negative (only bad one I can think of)

      And yes yes there are other cancers and there is legitimate research in all of them, as well as funding. But I would assume you would be bitching about them too if they suddenly got their ribbon and became a marketing ploy.

      Lastly instead of being part of the problem by withholding information from the general public and just CBF getting involved. Build awareness of these other illnesses and start your own charity/ribbon parade? Its great to be a weekend warrior isn’t it?

 

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