Welcome to this week’s ‘I Call Bullshit’, a weekly look at the strange twists and turns of the human mind. 

Suspicious minds?

It’s not surprising at all that conspiracy theories have shrouded Osama bin Laden’s death. Before the dust had settled from September 11 crackpot ideas started surfacing, the most persistent of which is that it was an ‘inside job’ carried out to trigger the war on terror. People love to doubt the official line.

And it took mere cyber seconds – in this crazy interweb-connected world of ours – for people to start speculating that Osama was not dead at all, the whole extravaganza just concocted to boost Obama’s election chances. Or an alien plot. Or something.

Conspiracy theories are fascinating little critters, partly because they reflect a deep cynicism towards the powers-that-be (an often deserved cynicism, it has to be said). Also because sometimes there’s a kernel of truth to the theory, as though the tinfoil hat wearers have subconsciously realised there’s more information ‘out there’ but just got the details wrong.

They’re also fascinating because you can never, ever, dissuade a conspiracy theorist – and the mere act of trying can actually shore up their belief.

So, for example, I’m calling bullshit on the popular idea that Osama was not killed this week in Pakistan. But I reckon that’ll just ‘prove’ to those who think there is a vast plot that the Murdoch press is in on the con.

For any conspiracy theory – Roswell, the grassy knoll, you name it – there is evidence. It’s just a matter of interpretation and if your brain has already set off down a particular path, all evidence points the same way.

With Osama’s death there’s a whole stack of ‘reasons’ people might think it’s not true.

1. Osama’s been believed dead before, only to spring forth like a deluded, bearded jack in the box with another chilling video. He’s this elusive enemy who’s been the subject of rumours for years. For some, it must be hard to believe he’s really gone.

2. The US been happy to work with people who have subsequently been declared enemies. Their hands are not clean.  And their reasons for going to war were not pure.

3. The Whitehouse has confused their narrative by backtracking, changing details, adding new information, altering the story. That OBL was unarmed when he was shot was just one example.

4. They buried him quickly and quietly at sea, ostensibly so his body would not provide a focus for propaganda, or violence, or… something. They got rid of the corpse with undue haste.

5. They’ve declared they won’t release the pictures of dead Osama – even to reassure skeptics that he really is dead. They say it will inflame tensions – as though killing him didn’t already. However, Reuters has published photos of the blood-spattered bodies of the others. The reasons the Whitehouse are giving don’t quite add up.

There are plenty more where those came from. But mostly, people just don’t trust the word of the US Government, or our government, and they sure as shit don’t trust the media.

So they piece together their own story.

Despite all of that, I reckon he’s dead. Because ultimately you have to make a choice, and the more extraordinary claim, as they say, needs the more extraordinary evidence.

The official story makes more sense than the conspiracy. The idea that they could keep Osama alive somewhere and for no one to find out; or that they never even caught him and he’s still out there somewhere taping his next message on an iPhone, means you have to believe that they were willing to lie to the world and risk getting caught.

It meant they – all the people involved in the operation – were willing to risk fatal retaliation just to boost their President’s popularity. You need some pretty good evidence for deception on such a grand scale.

The releasing of the pictures have become the focus of this specific conspiracy theory. But if he wasn’t dead, they could mock up the best darn fake death pics the world has ever seen, couldn’t they?

So I reckon he’s dead. But something’s a little fishy here. I’m prepared to have ‘bullshit’ called on my ICB, and I’m pretty sure you’ll oblige.

172 comments

Show oldest | newest first

    • Bikinis On Top says:

      01:53pm | 05/05/11

      The Anzac Day Anzac Day Rugby League Test Between the Kangaroos And Kiwis will be played at Osama Bien Laden Stadium.
      Welfare Recipients, Children and Americans free .
      Obama Barack is leader of the free world. And America is the leader of the free world

    • NSW says:

      01:57pm | 05/05/11

      9/11 was an inside job.

    • Trumpster says:

      03:59pm | 05/05/11

      No it wasn’t.

      Between conspiracy and incompetence, choose incompetence. It’s much more common.

    • Nick Buick says:

      09:15pm | 05/05/11

      You think the people who run this world are incompetent? What the hell does that make the rest of us?

    • Trumpster says:

      08:22am | 06/05/11

      Nick,

      Some of them, yes. The point is that conspiracy requires careful planning and meticulous organisation. In my experience Governments aren’t capable of the level of organisation required to pull off a conspiracy. However, there are plenty of incompetent people that just stuff up, ad when they do wacko’s are more than happy to shout ‘conspiracy!’.

    • Nick says:

      10:13pm | 07/05/11

      Israel controls all of America’s Banks, The Federal Reserve, Wall Street, Treasury, The Federal Judiciary and all of their major media (with the exception of Murdoch - who is still 1 qrt Jewish)...

      These people appear pretty damn competent to me.

      “By way of deception, thou shalt do war” - Official slogan as featured on the Mossad Logo.

    • Tubesteak says:

      01:57pm | 05/05/11

      Okay, I admit, I’m Osama bin Laden.

      No, wait, I’m Ben Hur. Nope. Elvis. Nope, an alien.

      Okay, the real truth is, I’m an alien of historical significance that’s been parading as Elvis who lived in a cave for a while and my name is Terry Wrist and my mum is John Lennon.

    • Ben81 says:

      02:15pm | 05/05/11

      You are now on a list somewhere.

    • jeremyf says:

      02:33pm | 05/05/11

      I am Spartacus!

    • Spartacus says:

      02:53pm | 05/05/11

      I am jeremyf!

    • Rick says:

      02:56pm | 05/05/11

      No I’m Osama and so is my wife!

    • Matt F says:

      03:05pm | 05/05/11

      which wife!

    • Spartacus says:

      03:28pm | 05/05/11

      No I am Spartacus!

    • Tubesteak says:

      04:00pm | 05/05/11

      Ben81: I’m also on a comments page. That’s like a list.

      I am Spartacus’s saddle bags from when his horse bolted around the arena and parted the Red Sea.

    • Dave-o says:

      04:31pm | 05/05/11

      I’m Can Do Campbell

    • ronda says:

      04:38pm | 05/05/11

      osama is alive and we are all dead !?!

    • LoveFest says:

      12:26pm | 06/05/11

      We have already tracked all of your IP addresses….

    • Bikinis on Top says:

      01:59pm | 05/05/11

      Osama’s Home Videos were better than the Graceland videos.

    • Elphaba says:

      02:00pm | 05/05/11

      Yep, I think he’s dead.

      The problem with the 9/11 conspiracy, like the moon landings, is the sheer number of people involved in each event.  Are you telling me that all of them can keep a secret that big?  Come ON! 

      Releasing photos/videos/DNA reports will not matter, because conspiracy buffs will only see what they want to see.  He’s dead.  Move along…

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      02:08pm | 05/05/11

      Two words. Manhattan Project.

      Thousands of people worked on it, no one knew about it until Hiroshima was vapour.

    • Blurry Vision says:

      02:34pm | 05/05/11

      Ummm
      Perhaps the people in Alamogordo might differ with you.
      The first nuclear weapons test of an atomic bomb was conducted by the United States Army on July 16, 1945 close to the little town of Alamogordo New Mexico.You think they might have noticed this?
      Little Boy exploded over Hiroshima on August 6, 1945
      Fat Man exploded over Nagasaki on August 9, 1945.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      03:17pm | 05/05/11

      Blurry Vision, I’m sure they were told it was a strange weather phenomenon. And in 1945, that passed for scientific evidence, as it probably would now.

    • Septimus says:

      03:32pm | 05/05/11

      Sadman,

      You are damn funny!  The only thing that would ruin this for me, is if you actually believed what you say, otherwise…

    • Elphaba says:

      03:38pm | 05/05/11

      @SSR, different time.  News wasn’t as all pervasive as it is now.  We’re tapped into what is going on in the world.  I’m quite sure that ‘no one’ outside the Manhattan Project not knowing what was going on is a bit of an exaggeration.

    • Rob Adelaide says:

      04:06pm | 05/05/11

      Sad Sad Reality tells us that the Manhattan Project was an example of people keeping their mouth shut.  Well, maybe, but also it was a time of declared war, many of the workers did not know what they were actually working on (not all were scientists) and mostly, email, satellites, iphones and television etc did not exist.  Therefore, it was much harder to get the message out.

    • Septimus says:

      04:36pm | 05/05/11

      Sad,

      Manhattan Project:

      Led by USA, involved the UK and Canada (incorporated their experts in design)

      Evenutally the project employed 130,000 people.

      Research and Production took place at 30 different sites.

      Cost $2 billion dollars (in 1942).

      To make an Atomic Bomb…and according to you…NO ONE knew about it.

    • Septimus says:

      05:04pm | 05/05/11

      rachel,

      I say Osama was killed by Navy Seals.  How is this any more credible than your video.

    • Nick Buick says:

      09:32pm | 05/05/11

      Hundreds of people work on secret projects all the time. Hundreds of people were involved in the Osama take-down - planning that took months, possibly years. Did you know anything about it? What the hell do you think the CIA does? or the NRO or MOSAD? Secret stuff… it’s what they do.

      Why do you think the US and the UK were both conducting ‘training’ exercises of the exact scenarios of 911 (an NRO training excersise involving a plane crashing into the pentagon 5 minutes before a plane hit the pentagon) and 77 (a large Scotland Yard training excercize involving multiple tube station bomb attacks across London on the day multiple tube station attacks too place across London) at the exact times the actual events were occurring - many of the people involved probably didn’t even realize they were participating in a real world scenario. 

      You think some people in a cave on the other side of the world organised this? All I’m saying is the official versions don’t add up - not by a long shot.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      10:07pm | 05/05/11

      @Sadsack. The soviets knew all about the Manhattan Project way before the first detonation. To say NO-ONE knew about it, displays a remarkable ignorance of history.

    • n_dude says:

      12:29pm | 06/05/11

      No he was taken alive and is locked away in a secret location where they are conducting secret experiments on him, some of which involve anal probes.

    • Tim says:

      02:01pm | 05/05/11

      Well seeing as how the American story has changed every five minutes for the last few days it entirely plausible that he’s still alive.

      Release the videos, release the photos.

    • Rick says:

      03:01pm | 05/05/11

      Not much point releasing photo’s of a headless corpse ......although the facial recognition software apparently had no trouble with half a face…...and the DNA sample could have they made a mistake and recovered one of the brothers instead?

    • Kika says:

      02:08pm | 05/05/11

      No, Tory. More like it’s easier to believe what the US wants us to believe. That the world is safe, they won, Osama is dead, let’s just get along in fixing our economy again. Trust America, keep spending, we won’t fail.

      Lies, lies lies. All lies. It’s far too convenient, don’t you think? This close to Obama re-election, the absolute and final collapse of the American economy? They need to find a reason to get out of the wars. How? Don’t admit defeat. Get the information that Voldermort (sorry, OBL) is really dead and we’ll make people happy by finally saying we completed the mission so let’s go back home again.

      AS IF they would have pulled out of Afghanistan without a few “USA! USA!“s.

      As much as Julian Assange is a crackpot, he did teach us a valuable lesson. Don’t take anything governments say at face value. And this whole story is part of it. It just doesn’t make sense.

    • SimpleSimon says:

      03:06pm | 05/05/11

      Yes it does, it makes perfect sense! They were going to find OBL sooner or later, and you crackpots would have come up with the “convenient” excuse no matter when it was.

      And nowhere has America said “the world is safe” - exactly the opposite, they’ve been warning of retribution and upping security everywhere. They’ve also committed to staying in Afghanistan until the the rest of the mission is complete, as have our Government.

      This isn’t a case of people believe something because the US wants us to, it’s people like you refusing to believe something just because it’s the Americans and the government who said it.

    • Jade says:

      03:19pm | 05/05/11

      If they think the war is over, they have another thing coming.  OBL’s people will get revenge when we all least expect it.

    • Stace says:

      08:02am | 06/05/11

      Kika says: “This close to Obama re-election”.

      The next US presidential election is due in November 2012. That’s 18 months away, more than enough time for this to fade in the memories of Americans who are losing their jobs and houses and struggling to feed their families.

      ICB on bin Laden’s death being deliberately timed to boost Obama’s re-election chances.

    • LC says:

      09:24pm | 06/05/11

      Obama’s re-election is, what, 1 1/2 years away? That gives plenty of time for this to be forgotten in the public’s mind, especially when the US’s economy collapses once and for all and people start losing their jobs.

      And the US has never said “now that Osama’s dead, we are all safe”.  Infact, they have put all their military bases and foreign embassys on high alert in case of retaliatory attacks.

    • jg says:

      02:16pm | 05/05/11

      There are a lot of very, very strange people out there.

      And I mean, really strange.

    • Rick says:

      03:03pm | 05/05/11

      And your one of them

    • Erick says:

      02:17pm | 05/05/11

      Conspiracy theorists use the opposite of Occam’s Razor. Instead of looking for the simplest theory that fits the known facts, they look for the most complicated one.

      It’s antilogic.

    • Kika says:

      02:39pm | 05/05/11

      Well, here for ‘anti-logic’... there’s no body, they keep changing their stories, they have every reason in the world to pull out of Afghanistan and it’s easier to say ‘we killed him’ rather than ‘he’s dead already’.

    • Elphaba says:

      03:41pm | 05/05/11

      To borrow the medical diagnosis analogy - when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.

      Hahaha, Kika, the fact that you believe in conspiracy theories is not a surprise at all…

    • Jason Todd says:

      03:51pm | 05/05/11

      Not the point that Erick was trying to make I fear.
      Which of the possible explanations is the simpler one?
      That the US government through two separate (and opposing administrations) has orchestrated a conspiracy and kept the death of one of the greatest enemies of America a secret, and in their back pocket to use as a “get out of jail free” card whenever the sitting president should choose to use it. A “get out of jail free” card that was then not used by Bush to secure his own parties re-election despite plummeting approval ratings, but turned over to the ‘other side’ which was then not used through all of the GFC and other outcry, only to be pulled out and dropped at a supposedly ‘too convienient’ time over a year before the next election, and before much of the campaigning has begun in earnest?
      Or is it more likely that intelligence came to light, an operation was planned and executed, the outcome announced, and more details have been released as the situation becomes clearer?
      As far as the changing details go, we are talking about a major, cross border, covert operation that occurred a little more than three days ago, which is no doubt still being resolved, and people are shocked that the details have changed? In a perfect world, the flow of information might be perfect, but it isn’t here.

      Besides, what did people expect them to do with the body? Bronze it, frame it and hang it on the wall of the oval office?

      This whole thing is just like the birther argument. There is a certain segment of the global community that would not believe ANY evidence that was released to support it. Photos and video would be accused of being doctored and the conspiracy theory would just keep on rolling..

    • stephen says:

      08:15pm | 05/05/11

      Well, I don’t agree with that ‘razor’ thing anyway Erick, but these conspirators are actually looking for a reason not to believe that America is winning.
      They discredit this event because they have spent the last 2 years on this site bagging a black President. And even then, they really hated Obama because he was American, but were expecting enough racists in this country to ‘come on board’.
      Tough.

      America will win because they invented the type : Capitalism.
      After bin laden’s death, Americans will spend, the housing market will settle, and Barack will get a second term.

    • gorinosho says:

      08:19pm | 05/05/11

      Ok Erick, consider this. On 9/11, three buildings fell into their own footprint at freefall speed. Only two of them were hit by planes. The reason we were given, is that the jet fuel (burning temp 1200 degrees) melted the metal (melting temp 2800 degrees). If steel melted that easily, we’d have real problems running cars, let alone airplanes. Building 12 dropped exactly the same as the other two - AS IF demolished.  If you can find any example EVER where a building of that size (about 15 stories?) has collapsed uniformly in that fashion as the result of a regular fire, then I will eat my words. You want Occam’s Razor? The simple explanation for what we saw is - DEMOLITION.

      Similarly, the London tube bombings…we are told the response was slow because “coincidentally” a security exercise was being undertaken at the same time, which was based on the premise of attacks on those SAME trains and buses. Actuaries calculate the probability of a real attack occurring at the same time, by chance, in the QUINTILLIONS to one. Again, Occam’s Razor. The simplest explanation is that there was no coincidence at all. To believe otherwise defies logic and probability.

    • Cry in my Gin says:

      01:08pm | 06/05/11

      Erick is Osama in drag, when he is not Germaine Greer.

    • Jim says:

      04:28pm | 06/05/11

      If the Whitehouse says the sky is red, it’s an illusion we see it blue… people who complain about it will be called conspiracy theorists… When Nicolaus Copernicus said the earth wasn’t the center of the universe he was also called a conspiracy theorist…. Interesting is the fact that the world evolves BECAUSE of people who have the wits AND the courage to QUESTION things… but unfortunately the herds just believe everything the media tells them no matter how fishy the story is !!

    • Gladys says:

      02:17pm | 05/05/11

      I can’t help but think Inner City Bypass when I see ICB. Then I wonder why on earth, an Adelaide based journalist would care (twice even) about a 10 year old piece of infrastructure in Brisbane.

      Then I realise what you’re talking about and I’m back to normal.

    • Danny B says:

      11:30am | 06/05/11

      Glad I’m not the only one.

    • Anne_N says:

      02:24pm | 05/05/11

      Apocalypse anyone?

      “Osama bin Laden’s death was announced exactly eight years after George W Bush made his now infamous ‘Mission Accomplished’ announcement. Even spookier, it happened 66 years and 6 hours after the world learned about the death of Hitler. That’s 666.”


      http://uk.news.yahoo.com/osama-bin-laden-conspiracy-theories.html

    • Ash says:

      06:42pm | 05/05/11

      wow, three numbers in a row!!! maybe if you get 4, you win a prize!!!

    • Mouse says:

      11:59pm | 06/05/11

      No, that’s 8666

    • St. Michael says:

      02:25pm | 05/05/11

      It’s this simple: people who think the government can execute any sort of conspiracy have not worked in, or have no knowledge of how incompetent, government actually is.

    • marley says:

      02:58pm | 05/05/11

      Well, having worked in government, I can fully attest to this conclusion.  The secrecy would last about as far as the water cooler or you kid’s kindergarten class.  And some goof in a uniform or in the Pentagon would have put clips on YouTube and told their closest 750 friends on FB (after swearing them to secrecy of course).

    • Carlin says:

      03:39pm | 05/05/11

      You don;t need to tell everyone the real deal to ake them players in your plan. Useful idiots.

    • dontbelievethetruth says:

      04:52pm | 05/05/11

      orwell-1984…

    • Mick says:

      02:28pm | 05/05/11

      I think the reason they dumped the body so quickly was because it would raise too many questions.  Like;

      Why does he have so many bruises?
      Why are his fingers broken?
      Why does he have electrical burns?
      Why is his toe missing?

    • HappyCynic says:

      04:28pm | 05/05/11

      Actually the most interesting reason I’ve heard was OBL was buried so quickly (or sank) as a sign of respect to his religion.  Muslims are required to be buried as soon as possible after death and the soldiers didn’t want to make OBL a martyr to 1.6 billion muslims by disrespecting his corpse.  Sure OBL was a disgrace to his religion but he was still a religious man and deserved to be treated in death according to his customs, whether you like them or not.

      That seems the most politically profitable reason to bury OBL so quickly.

    • Ryan says:

      05:10pm | 05/05/11

      @Mick: ... and what is that bacon wrapped pork chop doing in his dead mouth?

    • Rock says:

      08:54pm | 05/05/11

      Mick,
      What would you have done with the body? Strapped it to the top of a car and paraded it down every street in the USA? Sold it to science? Put it in the main recreational room in the White House and thrown darts at it?

      In reality I hope that they buried him in respect for the Muslim faith which calls for burial as soon as possible after death. They had nothing to gain from keeping the body and everything to lose. If he is still alive he will release a video which would be the downfall of the US President and cause the worlds greatest embarrassing moment. In fat it would destroy the US’s credibility in one foul swoop.

      So there are only two plausible solutions, he is dead or the US is holding him in jail. The fact that even his daughter is saying that he was killed says something about option 2…..

    • Wallaby says:

      09:09pm | 05/05/11

      I think they should have had him stuffed and nailed to the front door of the Pentagon. They could have used his nuts as door knockers.

    • SM says:

      02:35pm | 05/05/11

      the only way the US could be lying about it is if Bin Laden was already dead, given how criminal they’d look if he is still alive and ever reared his ugly head again

    • John says:

      02:35pm | 05/05/11

      Hey it wasn’t necessarily an inside job, they could of outsourced it to a foreign intelligence agency that did the work for them. I’ll highly doubt American Nationals would rig up WTC towers with explosives or Islamic Radicals. The way i look at it, was that the original planes were hijacked on the cover of a terrorist exercise by a foreign intelligence agency, transponders were turned off and landed on some private airport. While these planes landed other remote controlled planes took off for the towers. 2 hit their targets while one that was to hit WTC 7 was shot down by a US fighter jet by mistake. Its strange how these terror attacks seem to happen when there are terrorist exercises. Like on 9/11 and 7/7. Be very suspicious, nothing seems what it seems.

    • Aitch B says:

      02:48pm | 05/05/11

      “The way I look at it….......”

      Yeah…... right.

    • Benrama says:

      02:59pm | 05/05/11

      Then again, perhaps it was exactly as it seems and you just need a hobby.

    • James1 says:

      03:01pm | 05/05/11

      Yeah.  Because that makes way more sense than thinking that the 9/11 attacks are exactly what they appear to be.  All you need to do is ignore 98% of the evidence and wham!  The truth is exposed.

      Erick, you are right about the antilogic.

    • james says:

      03:07pm | 05/05/11

      Sure is strange that in a country where education is complusory we still end up with so many idiots. What happened to the pilots who died in the four plane crashes? Explain that one genius.

    • Septimus says:

      03:28pm | 05/05/11

      remote controlled planes hey…

      Where did the ‘shot down’ plane crash or id it vapourise after being struck by the fighter jet?

      Thanks for entertaining us today John, you have been most unbalanced.

    • John says:

      05:33pm | 05/05/11

      When you look at the situation how it occurred using non-official means, this seems the most plausible. If you have WTC 1,2 and 7 rigged up with explosives. You don’t want any failure on this do you. Just imagine your faith relying on Islamic radicals to hijack two planes with box cutters and then have them fly them into the towers. You would be thinking, what if they fail? What if the crew over powers them? What if the US military shots the plane down. So you go ok, use remote controlled planes, as nobody can over power the crew, and a machine isn’t going to care about its self destruction.

      Where a human being might back out of flying straight into a building. I mean think about it, Why go to all this work? to fly planes into the towers? You might kill 50 people max. What does the WTC centers have to with Islamic hate of the US? I’m sure they would of never though the towers would collapse. When you look at it, you start to think there was no benefit for Islamic extremism. The target was not america, but the target was the minds of the Americans and the event had to be as destructive as possible. It targeted the pentagon as means to manipulate the US military to come into the war, the towers were brought down via explosives in order for Americans to see the death and destruction.

      The primary aim was for the US military to mobilize into middleast,and to generate anger and resentmen, and justification for US troops to move to Afghanistan. Then they once again manipulated the American public into invading and bombing Iraq under false pretenses once again. using the Al-Qaeda fiction once again to justify its occupation. In a dictatorship, the leader just says we are going to war, in a Democracy manipulations of the mass’s and government sponsored terror, creating fiction enemy’s are the tools for mobilizing troops. The problem with this, is that the mass’s live a lie.

    • Warren says:

      06:09pm | 05/05/11

      John is an exponent of “truthiness”.

    • Stiffy says:

      10:52am | 06/05/11

      hey John do you have post it notes,  maps with arrows and penciled dot tings for highlighted places or any yellowed old 9/11 newspaper clippings and photos stuck on the walls of your room? Do you sleep under a pyramid to learn all this? Someone ring for an ambulance please.

    • Rohan says:

      02:54pm | 06/05/11

      Hey John
      Were they remote control passengers phoning their loved ones as the planes crashed into the buildings or were they in on it as well. Think they might have mentioned being marched off one plane to another on a deserted airstrip don’t you? Or maybe they all have 10,000,000 as a bribe and are living on an island somewhere? Do you even look for holes in your argument before posting? Because all I can see when I look at your argument is hole!

    • Seano says:

      02:37pm | 05/05/11

      All that releasing the photos will do is cause these nutjobs to change tact. So why bother?

      They’ll just scream fake or they’ll find a way to reinterpret some innocuous detail in a completely bogus way and then present this as proof of some greater conspiracy. There’s nothing to be gained.

      “Keep an open mind – but not so open that your brain falls out”.

    • John says:

      02:49pm | 05/05/11

      It’s doesn’t matter anyway, because 9/11 truthers don’t believe Osama Bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks. Even if they did kill the real Osama Bin Laden and had evidence, it’s still meaning less.

    • The truth is out there says:

      03:21pm | 05/05/11

      “9/11 truthers”
      HAhahahahahaha

      From this day forward you shall be known as Little John in memory of the size of your intellect.

    • Will says:

      03:56pm | 05/05/11

      Seano and The Truth is out there, nice work I laughed out loud.

      The problem with arguing with an idiot is they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

      You can’t reason with the irrational.

    • Ash of Canberra says:

      02:42pm | 05/05/11

      You failed to mention one option. He’s been dead for years.

      Erick claims this is against the principles of Occam’s Razor. Wrong. He’s dead, which is why no-one could find him. He’s dead which is why there is no evidence being produced of his death in this attack. He’s dead which is why no-one’s heard from him in years.

      The question is why did this occur so close to the election. Why did this occur just days after the U.S. Supreme court announced that big business has the same rights as an individual in the court of law. Why did this happen in Pakistan so close to a military base.

      Occam’s razor. This is not to get out of wars but to get into them. This isn’t about America but the World Banks. Who wins in all this? Not America, not Israel, not Pakistan. The World Banking Elite will win.

      If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot, stamping on a human face… ... forever.

    • James1 says:

      03:10pm | 05/05/11

      You might as well ask why this happened so shortly after the royal wedding while you’re dragging in irrelevant matters.  It seems you need to rethink your interpretation of Occam’s Razor.

    • Close to the election? says:

      03:10pm | 05/05/11

      Yes Ash
      Really close to the election.
      18 months is close to you?

      I’ll leave the boot image for you to imagine.

    • Chips Ahoy says:

      04:20pm | 05/05/11

      If I’m in the Taliban and Osama died years ago, I’m releasing evidence of that right now. Put those shady Amercians right back in their box. Why are they not doing that Ash? Why?

    • Jason Todd says:

      08:18am | 06/05/11

      Ash - What if this had happened six months ago? Would you accuse it of occurring close to the election to secure votes? Or of occurring early in his term to cement the idea of Obama being a competent president?
      The ruling on the US Supreme court granting individual first amendment rights to corporations happened ages ago.

      Also, if he has been dead for so long, why has it not been publicised? Why did those in the know not state it to prevent US forces for searching for him? Why do we have Osama’s OWN FAMILY stating that he was killed recently? In your view, we are talking about a lot of different factions with a lot of different goals co-operating in a coverup in the hope of achieving different outcomes. How is that simpler than what we have been presented again?

    • Petty Officer Knemon (CVN-70) says:

      02:48pm | 05/05/11

      Osama Bin Laden is still alive…he is currently being held in the brig on board the USS Carl Vinson - he’s being used as a punching bag for stressed out navy personnel.

    • stephen says:

      10:05pm | 05/05/11

      What about a bag for latrine ?
      (First time i seen a turd turn up it’s toes, heh ?)

    • yup yup says:

      02:54pm | 05/05/11

      A top U.S. government insider who worked under five different presidents, Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”.

      Former US Navy Captain Pieczenik, served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior - a man who hunted terrorists for the US government all over the world….

      He says Bin Laden, whom he personally met, died from marfan syndrome in late 2001, and the entire account of his supposed murder on Sunday is a total fabrication.

      Can you call BS on him too Tory?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjtNiTm99e8


      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”.  - Adolf Hitler.

    • James1 says:

      03:13pm | 05/05/11

      Firstly, that was Goebbels, not Hitler.

      Secondly, in order to believe that one fellow, you need to CB on hundreds, if not thousands, of others.  Why do you think this fellow right, and everyone else wrong?

    • Septimus says:

      03:20pm | 05/05/11

      Except one of the first lines on his wiki bio says:

      “He is an outspoken conspiracy theorist concerning the war on terror.”

      His own website says his identity is ‘classified’ which makes him a wanker.

      IF he were dead 8 years ago, why do you think the Bush administration wouldn’t have declared so and take whatever mileage they could out of his death?

    • Carthage says:

      03:24pm | 05/05/11

      I’ll only believe him if Bolt does.
      Bolt is my hero and the best denier in Oz
      If he can fool Bolt then I believe him.

    • yup yup says:

      03:40pm | 05/05/11

      I stand corrected James - I always thought it was Hitler.
      Did you listen to the interview in full?

      Septimus, the definition of conspiracy theory is “A belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for an unexplained event. ”

      Every person working in intelligence would have these beliefs… it’s hardly a reason to dismiss anyone. He has worked most of his life in intelligence - the word ‘classified’ is consistent with this.
      Did you listen to the interview in full?

    • yup yup says:

      03:44pm | 05/05/11

      Speaking of Bolt ... from his blog

      ” The deputy leader of Canada’s second-biggest party smells a conspiracy: (The) deputy leader of the NDP, Thomas Mulcair, drew gasps when he said he does not believe the United States government has photographs of terrorist Osama bin Laden….

      ”I don’t think, from what I’ve heard, that those pictures exist. And if they do, I’ll leave that up to the American military,”

      Asked again whether he thinks the photos exist, Mr. Mulcair said: “No, I don’t think they do. If they’ve got pictures of a cadaver, there’s probably more going on than we suspect in what happened there.”...

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WLmumH4RyNY

    • Septimus says:

      03:56pm | 05/05/11

      yup yup,

      Yes I listened, he sounds like he might be related to John (here on this blog).

      Having worked for the Government is no testament of character, intelligence or even sanity.

    • Septimus says:

      04:18pm | 05/05/11

      yup yup,

      What makes you think politicians are rational people?  You didn’t mention the part how his party totally disowned his statement.  Any reason for not mentioning that?

    • HappyCynic says:

      04:39pm | 05/05/11

      @yup yup.

      Yeah the guy’s known as a conspiracy nut and an author of fiction (this equals an over-active imagination).  Also some sites say he only worked for 3 presidents, not 5.  I might also add he was born in the 1940’s, this makes him a senile old conspiracy nut.

    • James1 says:

      04:40pm | 05/05/11

      I did, yup.  Whilst doing so, I compared what he was saying with the statements being made by the US government, Al Qaeda, and others, and found the weight of evidence tilted against Mr Piecsenik.

      But then, that is how my mind works - I tend to focus on what a large number of credible sources say, rather than the words of one person with some unusual perspectives.

    • yup yup says:

      05:26pm | 05/05/11

      Septimus,

      You are trying to discredit his info based on what?
      He worked for the govt?

      That is a quote from the bolt blog, as indicated.

    • yup yup says:

      05:41pm | 05/05/11

      James,

      I thought he came across as credible and someone with insider knowledge of the highest order in US intelligence. He is older and perhaps at this stage of his life has nothing much to lose by speaking out. His interview was frank and on the other end of the spectrum to the bullshit and spin we are fed by our politicians.

      The US govt has a history of false flag events.

    • Septimus says:

      06:08pm | 05/05/11

      yup, yup,

      “A top U.S. government insider who worked under five different presidents, Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”.”

      Yes based on the same assertion by yourself that he MUST have credibility because he worked under five presidents or do those rules only apply to yourself?

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      02:56pm | 05/05/11

      Well OBL was declared dead by Benazhir Bhutto in 2007, Dubya said in 2003 that he was not interested in OBL, OBL retired years ago and if we want to be picky KSM is in Gitmo being tortured for the attacks on the US and KSM and OBL hated each other.

      So did they both think up the same grand plan and if they did who acted on it.

      the complete lack of interest in the millions of dead, displaced, maimed and orphaned and widowed Afghans and Iraqis because of lies and bullshit though makes me sick.

      The attack on Afghanistan was devised under Clinton and approved by Dubya in July 2001 and it was really all because the taliban would not sign off on a pipeline across Afghanistan from the Caspian Sea.

      Anyone who does not know that now lives in a land of grand delusion.

      OBL had nothing to do with the Bali bombings, that was a purely Indonesian long standing “war” where some westerners got in the way.

      Our white man’s obsession with our own self importance in the scheme of a planet where we are a minority is pathetic.

    • Krys says:

      03:39pm | 05/05/11

      No Marilyn Your self loathing hatred of Western culture and civilisation is pathetic.

      As to the bombing in Bali you say Westerners got in the way? So let me get this straight your saying that Westerners were not the target of the attack?
      please expand on this

      this should to be interesting.

    • james says:

      03:47pm | 05/05/11

      I was wondering when Marilyn would show up with one of her profound insights. And exactly which long standing “war” in Indonesia do you allude to? I was not aware Bali was at war with anyone.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      05:05pm | 05/05/11

      “Our white man’s obsession with our own self importance in the scheme of a planet where we are a minority is pathetic.”

      Bullshit, there would be no developed world with all the advancements and progress without ‘white man’. If we were to disappear overnight, I would honestly give the world a year tops before it were completely and irreversibly screwed. Is whitey important? You bet sweet cheeks. Stop the self hate, it really is pathetic.

    • Nick Buick says:

      09:43pm | 05/05/11

      Wynston Cruso

      Actually the Muslims invented astronomy, astral navigation, The Arabic numeral system, the agricultural revolution, and the first machinery (windmills)... Just say`n.

    • Ben81 says:

      03:04pm | 05/05/11

      More of an interesting secret revealed than a ‘conspiracy’ but they didn’t do a thorough enough job of destroying the helicopter that crashed.  Turns out to be some kind of secret stealth variation of the Blackhawk nobody outside the US military seems to have known about.

      Pics here
      http://defensetech.org/

    • Rev says:

      03:25pm | 05/05/11

      Whoops…didn’t do a proper job of destroying that on the way out, did they?

    • Septimus says:

      05:26pm | 05/05/11

      Guess they were in a rush…

    • Rosie says:

      03:10pm | 05/05/11

      Bullshit or not but we kowtow to the Americans. I am sick and tired of the games being played out by our Government, Labor or Liberal because we can’t have our own foreign policy without US approval. Republicans want Australia to become a republic even before we get rid of our reliance for approval from the US.

      I was talking to an Iraqian who said that he and his family are Christians. He was in the military so I just presumed he and his family left Iraq because of Saddam. Surprise, surprise he said that Saddam was a good man. His version of a good man was if you were good to Saddam he would be good to you. The people Saddam killed didn’t do the right by him. He left Iraq after Saddam was captured because as a Christian he and his family were the outsiders and subjected to being attacked.

      Even more surprising he hates America and said that his father told him; “God is up there and America down here.”

      Great we have Christians and Muslims leaving their homeland because America interferred now I call that bullshit.

      Are we going to have Pakistanis, lovers & haters of Bin Laden leaving Pakistan because either way they are not going to be safe anymore in their country of birth.

      I am lost, I use to believe that we needed America to feel safe, now I am not sure anymore. I think it is China we need for without their money who is going to buy all our natural resources???????? If China goes burst, don’t we go burst as well??????

    • Rev says:

      03:28pm | 05/05/11

      A guy in the Iraqi military who was a fan of Saddam?  SHOCKING!
      I particularly like how Saddam can kill those who did him wrong, I mean, why else would you be a dictator.

      1/10 for the troll.

    • Rosie says:

      04:14pm | 05/05/11

      Rev

      Did you read my comments and couldn’t comprehend? Not my fault but I don’t deserve to be given 1/10 for trolling. 

      I wasn’t trolling it was factual and my right to be post my opinion.

      I would allow this man into the country because he is a bloody good builder working extremely hard for his and his family’s well being. He was allowed into the country legally and didn’t break any laws. He built my verandah and I couldn’t be any happier! He doesn’t rely on the Govt for any hand outs.

      My last paragraph does concern me. I am now cynical about America and am apprehensive about China’s rise in power and our reliance on them for a good economy.

      My point was Saddam known to me as a dictator was liked by this Iraqian who now blames the US according to him has made Iraq worse off then before.

      If you decide on a rebuttal, the least you could do is read the comments and if you don’t understand ask for a clearer explanation.

    • Tammy says:

      04:27pm | 05/05/11

      @ Rev

      You got 0/0 for your troll. Yes I heard the same thing from an Iranian man; “God is up there and America down here.”

      “Great we have Christians and Muslims leaving their homeland because America interfered now I call that bullshit.”

      I think what Rosie meant is that Muslims and Christians can use America’s interference as an excuse to get out and head for Australia. The word was great.

    • Kevin says:

      05:04pm | 05/05/11

      Tariq Aziz, Saddam’s foreign minister, was a maronite christian.  Most christian’s were forced to leave Iraq after the US invasion as the ensuing anarchy unleashed the fundamentalist muslims who had been hitherto suppressed by Saddam’s secular regime.

    • Rosie says:

      06:00pm | 05/05/11

      Thank you Kevin, very much appreciated. I tell the story to a lot of people and like me couldn’t understand how anyone could say that they didn’t want to leave Iraq but had to after the US captured Saddam.

      As I said I don’t know what to think anymore and starting to think that we should stay away and allow these countries to sort themselves out without any interference from the western world.

      So are we there for democracy etc or is it just for strategic reasons?

    • DaveinPerth says:

      10:29pm | 05/05/11

      Iraquian! Outstanding.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      03:13pm | 05/05/11

      It is impossible to confirm the identity of someone using DNA as the US claims.

    • Septimus says:

      03:35pm | 05/05/11

      You don’t know much about DNA analysis then.

    • Roswell Gazette says:

      03:20pm | 05/05/11

      Bin Laden was seen this morning with 402 of his kids at the Beatty Park aquatic centre in perth, 26 of his wives then wisked the kids home and he went straight to a cfmeu meeting to discuss ongoing terror tactics on wa builders an developers

    • Maddy says:

      03:24pm | 05/05/11

      Tory,

      Sorry, anyone who believes OBL is dead is just as loony as someone who thinks he is alive.

      Lies, BS, mis-information and innuendo is the order of the day when it comes to any government line.

      I just chuckle to myself about this whole sorry business. We live in a seriously f***** up world.

    • JAZ says:

      04:11pm | 05/05/11

      Maddy I couldnt agree more ...
      Whether everyone thinks conspiracy theorists are nuts or not , it doesnt matter what anyone thinks. Because we’ll never be told the absolute truth about anything anyway. People that research and investigate stories and events and dont accept what the official line is , I take my hat off to you.
      All of these different people that post on here are generally educated and bright people it amazes me that so many of you tow the official line when there are so many unanswered questions . Not only about Osama’s death but an enormous amount of issues and events that have happened throughout history. As long as people dull or bright tow the official Government line or what the media decide we need to know the more mis-information and lies we’ll be fed. At least ask questions , if something doesnt feel right , more often than not   IT ISN’T !!!

    • bella starkey says:

      04:32pm | 05/05/11

      So, we are crazy no matter what we think?

    • Maddy says:

      05:06pm | 05/05/11

      @bella

      No, I am saying that there is no way to possibly know. Anyone who believes what they are told by the US government is deluded. Any one who believes Al Qaeda is deluded. Its madness all around, perpetrated by people with mad agendas.

    • Septimus says:

      05:28pm | 05/05/11

      bella,

      That appears to be a ‘yes’ then…

    • Markus says:

      03:29pm | 05/05/11

      “Sorry, anyone who believes OBL is dead is just as loony as someone who thinks he is alive.”
      That only really leaves us two potential truths: OBL is either a zombie, or Schrodinger’s cat…

    • Gavin Smith says:

      03:55pm | 05/05/11

      Nicely done! That’s the third day in a row for me that Schrodinger’s cat has come up! Somewhere in the world, there’s a cat in a box.

      I love conspiracy theorists at any rate. They make the world more amusing. If only the world could be so easily manipulated. I might one day be king because of it!

    • Truther says:

      03:35pm | 05/05/11

      Who cares about OBL
      I want to see the birth certicate and maternity records re the delivery of Trig Palin.
      If the CIA and the Seals can get OBL surely thay can get these records too.!!!!!! 
      Should be a piss in the parrk for them.

    • Jase says:

      03:35pm | 05/05/11

      Dude the conspiracy theory isn’t that he is still alive, it’s that he died way back in 2001-2002.
      Just go and ask Steve Pieczenik can anyone honestly call him a nutjob?
      Extraordinary claims… and blah blah, you know, the Carl Sagan line.
      So where’s the extraordinary evidence to any of this “we got him” BS?
      I think it is very likely he’s been dead for a long time.

    • Will says:

      03:37pm | 05/05/11

      I never buy into conspiracy theories but I always thought JFK’s assassination was not explained with the one shooter, Lee Harvey Oswald.

      Maybe I am a crackpot.

    • Septimus says:

      04:04pm | 05/05/11

      OMG! OMG!

      Where’s John.  John! John!  Pay Attention!

      John Fitgzgerald Kennedy
      Lee Harvey Oswald
      Osama Bin Laden
      George Walker Bush
      Barack Hussein Obama

      Your theories about 9/11 and the War on Terror…these people ALL have three names…everything falls into place for me now…I have a new reality.  It all fits!!!!

    • bikinis on top says:

      03:46pm | 05/05/11

      I thought only Julia Gillard lived at Graceland.
      Is Graceland where Trolls live?

    • Andy says:

      04:11pm | 05/05/11

      I’m looking forward to the wikileaks leak of the Operation Geronimo video taken from the helmet mounted camera on top of Specialist Beat-Off. Will be sweet as. Call of Duty - Beat Off.

    • Journeyman says:

      04:15pm | 05/05/11

      I’m not into conspiracy theories but The Zietgeist raised some uncomfortable questions about 9/11.

      I’ve tried to find evidence that refutes the claims made in The Zeitgeist but there doesn’t seem to be much available apart from vague assertions that ‘it wasn’t a conspiracy theory because that’s crazy’ or official reports that avoid a number of issues and/or provide dubious explanations. The film cites a number of scientific and engineering arguments that as far as I know haven’t been explained. The scientific impossibility of aviation fuel burning hot enough to vaporize the jet engines at The Pentagon site being one of them.

      Does anybody know of a credible source that refute the arguments presented in The Zeitgeist? I would really like to see them so I can put this to rest in my mind. Like I said I’m not interested in being a conspiracy teory believer about 9/11 but I need evidence to support this not just lazy dismissals without basis.

    • Curious Cat says:

      07:25pm | 05/05/11

      @JourneyMan this discomfort has also existed in my mind since watching The Zeitgeist some time ago.  I’d love to here some credible refute of the posed science/ engineering. 

      To question is dangerous it seems… I have come to the conclusion that you must unquestioningly prescribe to the mainstream media argument, or be labelled as a nutty conspiracy theorist.  There’s no middle ground where one may logically or inquisitively ponder the grey areas.

      Cheers

    • neil says:

      08:23pm | 05/05/11

      Creationists claim there is no credible source that refutes their nutter ideas.

      You may believe red is red, I claim red is an illusion created by aliens. I challenge you to find a reputable source that discredits my claim.

      If you can’t, does that make me right.

    • Curious Cat says:

      10:52pm | 05/05/11

      Touche.  To maintain one’s right to free though and speech seems to be the concerning issue here.

    • gorinosho says:

      01:22am | 07/05/11

      I’ve seen The Zeitgeist movie too (it is available free, legally, on several websites) and it does ask some of the more interesting questions. I too would ask anyone with evidence to explain some of these anomalies to come forwards.  The response of people such as neil to lump “9/11 conspiracy theorists” in the same box as creationists, or to dismiss them out of hand, is disingeneous at best, and intellectually slovenly by any account.  The claims of the creationists are easily refuted - there is ample contradictory evidence, and the evidence supporting evolution is compelling. The creationists have a vested interest in believing as they do because they want to go to bed at night knowing their Cosmic PoppaMummy is looking out for them, but more intelligent people can think about religion and spirituality without any need to resort to such childish effigies.

      I would suggest that the complete failure to refute the concerns of those who do not entirely believe the 9/11 official line, such as the position taken by neil, is no more valid than the position of the creationists, only instead of a Cosmic PoppaMummy, you’re nuzzling up towards a new Political Paternalism, where Big Daddy is going to keep the baddies out from under your bed. 

      neil, if the concerns of people who have seen this evidence are so easily dismissed, be a good bloke and explain to us why.

      1. When, in any place, any where, any time, has a large office building collapsed upon itself at freefall speed? Even after being blown in half, the target of the Olkaholma bombings stayed standing, and several large fires in skyscrapers have never caused this sort of catastrophic structural failure. Until 9/11.

      2. If you buy the aviation gas story as the basis of these extraordinary events, why did Building 7 meet the same demise, when it was not hit by a plane?  It dropped vertically, same as the other two.

      That’s it. If you can answer those two questions to my satisfaction, I’ll stop believing that explosives were used at the WTC.  So come on deniers, surely if all these stories are bullshit, it won’t be hard to find some reasonable answers. Will it??

    • Amanda says:

      04:19pm | 05/05/11

      It’s not ‘conspiracy theory’ to think freely and independantly, yet to listen to the media over the past 48hrs you’d think it was illegal or insane to have doubts or to question anything.

      People are right to demand proof, to question what the lazy modern media industry tries to present as fact. Need anyone remind you that as a so called ‘journalist’, it is NOT you job to reguritate what you are ordered to - it is YOUR JOB to do the work of investigation and get proof, get to the truth of matters not to buy everything fed to you without question.

      I am pleased that people are prepared to examine if not critically analyse information before taking in on board as fact, in fact it gives me hope for the future that maybe we will not end up the monominded monoculture of consumerist robots with a society led by overprivilged well pacified ingrates who cant think for themselves.

      Questioning the information being fed to you is as healthy, natural and the right thing to do as it is to question what your eating from your dinner plate at a sleazy resturant. In a times of deception, duplicity, secret keeping, misinformation and outright lies….it is imperative.

    • polza says:

      04:23pm | 05/05/11

      has anyone considered the fact that Osama Bin Laden may have never even existed in the first place?
      Oh wait but he has a wife and kids and other terrorists who can vouch for his existance. or so we are told… by the same people who tell us these other stories full of inconsistencies…

    • Alice says:

      04:34pm | 05/05/11

      I wouldn’t call myself a conspiracy theorist, but I am not in the habit of believing things if there is no evidence. Thus far, the US government hasn’t provided any. As you’ve admitted in your own article, too much of it doesn’t add up. That’s not to say that I think he’s alive - I think the most likely scenario is that the US received intelligence that he died some other way (possibly of natural causes) and decided to cash in on it.

      The US didn’t have to release any photos to prove his death - they could’ve put his body in a bunker somewhere and invited a group of journalists to come and inspect it. No photos allowed, but it would provide independent verification that he was dead. The US says that they didn’t do that because he needed to be buried within 24 hours - but they’d only need a couple of hours to do the above. There’s a throng of foreign journalists already in Afghanistan and Pakistan covering the war, and you can bet that a bunch of them would’ve been there with bells on to inspect the body, if invited.

    • Mr Speaker says:

      04:40pm | 05/05/11

      Every time i see these types of conspiracy theories, I’m reminded of this…

      Bart: So finally, we’re all in agreement about what’s going on with the adults. Milhouse?
      Milhouse: Ahem. OK, here’s what we’ve got: the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people—
      Bart: Thank you.
      Milhouse: under the supervision of the reverse vampires—
      Lisa: [sighs]
      Milhouse: are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner.

      We’re through the looking glass, here, people…

      Ahh the Simpsons, they really do cover EVERYTHING don’t they grin

    • io io so off to work I go says:

      04:49pm | 05/05/11

      Just because Gillard is a filthy liar doesnt mean Obama is

    • Dan says:

      04:51pm | 05/05/11

      Senator Scott Brown, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee

      “Listen, I’ve seen the picture. He’s definitely dead. And if there’s any conspiracy theories out there, you should put them to rest.”

      but then

      “The photo that I saw and that a lot of other people saw is not authentic.”

      Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world/osama-bin-laden-dead-us-has-the-body/story-fn8ljm6z-1226048335673#ixzz1LSS5JDV

      Trust isnt something that is gained by your position in society its gained by your past actions. America is like a dying star clinging onto anything it can.

      Everyone needs to think for themselves.

    • dan says:

      07:23pm | 05/05/11

      RR-not sure if you read my post properly in the context of this conversation, I know they are fake, unfortunately Senators and other political mouth pieces don’t check the facts before stating quotes

      like “Listen, I’ve seen the picture. He’s definitely dead. And if there’s any conspiracy theories out there, you should put them to rest.”

      Which has profound effects on people who take everything a political mouthpiece says at face value? So not sure, why you repeated my post back to me…
      ..

    • Maddison!!!!!! says:

      04:02pm | 06/05/11

      Why would you write that?
      your saying you saw a picture that you knew the person was dead but you also knew it was OBL!!
      what a time waster!! people like you are annoying!!!!!!!

    • Septimus says:

      05:31pm | 05/05/11

      I am invited to the Memorial, so I am guessing it’s legit.

    • Torkona says:

      05:45pm | 05/05/11

      i am not very happy that the photo is the likeness of the King, Elvis.  Liking these two people is offensive.  I get it, where everyones resufes to believe Elvis has actually died, but still find swapping his head and putting Bin Laden in place isnt cool.  Couldnt u choose Hitler instead?

    • Jesse says:

      05:45pm | 05/05/11

      I think you’d have to be completely stupid to believe the US government’s line on this. It’s all way to convenient and it solves WAY too many problems for the US as a crucial time. Now the can go into Pakistan whenever, Obama gets reelected and America “wins” and is the good guy again.

      The truth will come out - in like 50 years when the official documents are released. I reckon he’s probably been dead for years, they were just saving the killshot for when it was needed.

    • Septimus says:

      06:13pm | 05/05/11

      Killshot?

      Needed for what?

      Why didn’t Bush take it, if it existed?

    • A Sane Man says:

      05:46pm | 05/05/11

      Am I the only one who has thought about this crap properly? I mean seriously, some of these “theories” have absolutely no leg to stand on when compared with common sense (especially 9/11 conspiracies).

      Even then, what if one of these conspiracy theories turns out to be true? Osama isn’t dead, the WTC were actually brought down by rockets hidden by hologram jets (seriously heard this one before), or that Ronald McDonald does actually exist. You find some extraordinary piece of evidence which proves your point. So what then? You alone know the truth ... but who really gives a sh*t?

      Knowing something like that doesn’t even matter. You try and spout your theories and people laugh at you or disown you, make a mockery out of you. Your quality of life cannot be improved simply by knowing that 9/11 was an inside job or that Osama isn’t real, nor can you influence other people, nor can it make any difference in the world.

      So just stop trying and you’ll be much happier for it. Trust me.

    • dan says:

      06:22pm | 05/05/11

      WOW thanks so much sane man, so blindly following what another person tells me is my guide to happiness and acceptance. Heres me asking questions when storys dont make sence like a silly duffa and all I had to do the whole time was stick my head in the sand and say “yes sir”. I feel better already, Cheerz mate..

    • C'mon now! says:

      06:06pm | 05/05/11

      I really am surprised by the amount of people on here who WON’T question because they’re worried they’ll be labeled as a CT.  Haven’t our Govt’s lied to us enough over the last 10 years to warrant/demand questioning?  I don’t care whether OBL is dead or not - It won’t resolve any current circumstances.  I fear more for our future when people blindly believe what they are told by Politicians/Media/Corporations etc.  Our Govt’s must be held accountable for their actions and the only way to do that is to keep questioning.

    • DC says:

      06:07pm | 05/05/11

      Anyone remember the first Gulf war?

      Anyone remember “Nurse Nayirah” and how she told The Congressional Human Rights Foundation that while she was volunteering as a nurse in a Kuwait hospital, she saw Iraqi soldiers removing babies from incubators and leaving them on the floor to die.

      The world was outraged by what she had witnessed.

      US Senators along with the President of the United States, George Bush Snr, used her account as a basis for going to war with Iraq.

      The problem was that the entire story was made up by a public relations company being paid big money by the Kuwait Government.

      Nayirah was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States.  She was not a volunteer at the hospital, and she only witnessed one baby outside of an incubator, and that was only for a moment.

      And yet, the world fell for it - hook, line and sinker.

      There were people within the US Government who knew it wasn’t true, but it suited their objective of going to war with Iraq.

      Whether it’s the Gulf of Tonkin “incident”, the “rescue” of Jessica Lynch, the death of Pat Tillman, or even Iraq having WMD’s, or Colin Powell finally admitting that he was misled by some in the Government as to WMD’s - the US knows all about propaganda and how to use it to their advantage.

      The fact that the US Government - who watched the events unfolding in real time - can’t make up their own minds as to what happens shows that there’s a hell of a lot more going on then they are letting us know.

      Oh, and I normally don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories, but there is something dodgy going on here.  One way or the other.

    • Septimus says:

      07:33pm | 05/05/11

      John,

      You realise you just provided a link to an article which accepts that the US killed Osama (as in the SEALS as in recently)? 

      Do we take it you now accept that this is the case and that what you have been saying all day, is no longer true?

    • John (The Real) says:

      08:51pm | 05/05/11

      Septimus im a different John. I might start using the real John as I have noticed thier is a left wing nut as well named John.

    • brian m says:

      09:32pm | 05/05/11

      If he’s not dead then the Yanks are going to look rather stupid if he pops up on Al Jazeera’s Sunrise Show one morning.

      Give me a break. He’s an ex Obama.

    • brian m says:

      09:35pm | 05/05/11

      Or maybe even an ex Osama

    • John (leftist, tin foil, nutter, on the meds one.. says:

      09:37pm | 05/05/11

      What are you on.
      Here is the video WTC 7, borough down by explosives on Sept11.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-WZpXiEKAo
      Even the news reporter knew it was going to come down..

      Better view
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&feature=related

      You even have the owner of the building stating to pull it! Like it was already wired up! on Sept11. You think those other towers were ready also???? of course!!!

      This the crime of century and i can’t believe they are getting away with it with evidence right in everyone’s face’s. This has to be the highest government cover up, media barons going along with it. There are tons of video’s on you-tube, you could sit for there weeks, watching it all and the documentary’s. Do you realized I’ve have spend like 8 years watching 9/11 documentary’s, reading and reading. The evidence is over whelming, it’s not funny!
      You see a fire in building, and you can predict a collapse? If you know it’s rigged up ready to go!! of course!

    • Septimus says:

      04:07am | 06/05/11

      Sighs…

      Tin Foil John…The reporter knew it was going to collapse because she had expert advice from officers on the scene that it was going to do so.

      Pull…might refer to ‘pull out’ ‘pull the men out’ from fighting the fire.  Is that possible at all? (either way the audio is not clear)

      Let me spell it out…WTC7 collapsed because it suffered catastrophic damage as a result of another bloody great building falling on top of it.

      I don’t know of anything that falls horizontally.  It’s called gravity.

    • Macon Paine says:

      12:06pm | 06/05/11

      Thanks John I needed a good laugh!

      That there are people doltish enough to believe that tripe you have parodied is sad but it doesn’t really matter anymore. With the death of Bin Laden the 9/11 untruth movement is finally vanquished:

      http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=208021

    • Conspiracy Rules says:

      10:04pm | 05/05/11

      Having read the conspiracy comments on this thread and others over the last few days, I think I have the complete story now, thanks to all those bloggers who are apparently “in the know”. Educated (or not) guesses filled in the few details I could not gather from the conspiracy posts. Here we go:

      Osama bin Laden died more than a decade ago. Just prior to his death, he pre-recorded video clips that were to be released on TV at set intervals, taking responsibility for, among other things, the future WTC bombing (which he had absolutely nothing to do with).

      A decade later he was found again by the cruel imperialist forces of the United States and gunned down mercilessly, while sitting at his home with his family, having kebab for dinner and watching an episode of “Friends”. Even though he was completely unarmed and repeatedly tried to surrender, he was ruthlessly shot dead, again and again.

      After killing bin Laden and dumping his body in the ocean, he was taken to a secret US base where his body was frozen in carbonite. It was later moved to Washington where it now hangs on a wall at the Oval Office.

      The twin towers destruction was orchestrated by the US government. The buildings were brought down by explosives, not by any jets crashing into them. This is quite obvious as the openings in the side of the buildings were not large enough to account for a jet airliner (I know this for a fact, a friend of my brother’s nephew has an uncle who met the person who climbed up there to measure it – definitely too small). The airplanes shown on TV were digitally added to the footage by DreamWorks just before the explosives were activated. The mayor of New York then channelled federal funds to bribe all the residents of the city to claim that they actually saw planes hitting the towers (this also explains the huge deficit the US is now facing). Not being content with this bastardy, the vicious US authorities located some innocent freedom fighters who were taking flying lessons (to dust the crops at their uncle’s farm) and accused them of planning to fly their planes into buildings! Imagine how this must have offended the families of those God-fearing folks!

      To give more credence to the fake story pinned on the al-Qaida human rights activists the Americans gathered together several hundred people and shot them all dead, claiming they were passengers on those non-existing airplanes. George W Bush, wearing a large cowboy hat, shot them all himself with his pistol. I saw it with my own eyes.

      The 9/11 accident at the Pentagon was just that, an accident. While working on a highly secret and highly immoral weapon that targets exclusively Muslims (it kills any Muslim within range, then interrogates them for any secrets, and finally buries the body not using a proper Islamic burial), the weapon unfortunately went off when a Saudi prince came for a visit (he is now a martyr). The forces of evil quickly set the scene as if another plane was crashed into the Pentagon by the peace loving, human rights activists of Al Qaeda.

      Recent years have seen other appalling weapons developed by the US. In March 2011 they successfully tested a tsunami making machine off the coast of Japan. It is apparently going to be used for subduing the democratic Taliban regime by sending powerful tsunamis down their long err.. coastline.

      The real reason for the US harassing the Taliban I’m not too clear on, but I understand there are several possibilities: 1) the Americans wanted to annex Pakistan and Afghanistan for their empire, 2) because of the OIL (everybody knows Afghanistan and Pakistan have the largest oil fields in the world, they just haven’t been discovered yet) or 3) they hate them just for being Muslims.

      I think this about sums it up nicely.
      Stay tuned for more updates we’ll undoubtedly get tomorrow from people “in the know”.

    • Jason Todd says:

      09:58am | 06/05/11

      You sir, deserve an award. Best laugh I’ve had all day.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      10:43am | 06/05/11

      Oh sure, that’s what they WANT you to think

    • Nick Buick says:

      10:54pm | 07/05/11

      No you’re actually right… Osama Bin Laden is a mastermind genius who orchestrated the entire 911 attack including the US government running a NORAD exercise of a hijacked plane hitting the Pentagon just minutes before a hijacked plane supposedly hit the Pentagon - including the flying of said plane into the Pentagon in such a way as to hit the building without its wings touching any of the lamp posts on the way in, and instantly vaporizing without a trace. It also happened to collide with the pentagon in exactly the same section of building that was conducting an audit into two TRILLION dollars of missing funds that was announced by Donald Rumsfeld on September 10th 2001 (the day before September 11 - gosh his timing is impeccable isn’t it?).

      Osama also caused 3 high-rise buildings to collapse from fire - an event that has never occurred before or since in the entire history of high-rise fires, including one building (WT7) that was never even hit by a plane. Buildings that were insured for just such an event only 8 weeks prior to doing so… by Larry Silverstein, a guy who used to run brothels for a living (what a nice guy). So cunning was Osama that he was also able to ensure the planes emitted traces of military thermite onto the support beams in the basement of the buildings in such a way that they were cut at 45 degree angles, all within a fraction of a second of each other to ensure the entire tower fell into its own footprint at free-fall speed… not once… not twice… but three times in a row… and despite this catostrophic event, Osama wasn’t quite careful enough as it seems one of the hijackers accidentally allowed his passport to fly through the fireball (which vaporized steel) through the collapsed building, flutter down to the foot path where a waiting investigator could find it laying on the pavement to identify the hijackers…

      Osama then went out and bought himself a million dollar mansion in the capitol of Pakistan where he lived comfortably with his family without anyone noticing for over 10 years before the USA finally stumbling upon him shooting him dead despite having ample opportunity to take him alive, then immediately dumped his body at sea and destroyed all evidence…

      Yeah I can see how all that is perfectly plausible.

    • Al says:

      12:13pm | 08/05/11

      Nick, It is so good to see there are still people who really believe in these conspiracy theories. Please stick to your beliefs. Without you guys, what are we going to laugh at?

    • Nick Buick says:

      10:09pm | 08/05/11

      Yeah laugh it up, Chuckles…

      It isn’t outrageous to believe Israel / the Mossad are capable of running a false flag terrorist attack to kill Americans and alter US foreign policy. Israel has been caught time and time again running such operations. The USS Liberty and The Lavon Affair are classic examples of Israelis being caught, red-handed, attacking and murdering Americans and attempting to blame Muslims for their own benefit. The World Trade Center Bombing in 1993 was also highly questionable when it was revealed the explosives used by the Muslim bombers were provided to them by the FBI and the vehicle used for the car-bomb was hired by a Mossad agent.

      The Mossad logo actually says: “By way of deception we shall do war.” If only I was making this up…

      Learn your history, Al, it’s a hoot.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      11:10pm | 05/05/11

      For the non-believers, I have some questions.
      1. If you are not convinced OBL is dead, why should I care? (really! Take a count of how many ppl care what you think. You’ll only need one hand, and you should have enough fingers left over to count your IQ. And you’ll have the other hand free. So business as usual.)
      2. Even the slowest of wits should be able to grasp that a gravesite, video, pics, whatever, will have a radicalizing influence on the marginal fundies out there. The kind with no education, no hope, no prospects. The kind that are just looking for a good reason to turn themselves into a not-so-smart bomb. That means more dead Aussies, Kiwis, poms, sepps, etc. My question to you is, How many Aussies are you willing to sacrifice to see your video? 100? 50? 10? Just give me a number? If the number is zero, then refer to Q.1.

    • OchreBunyip says:

      10:17am | 06/05/11

      One way to tell if someone is lying is if the story is neat and unchanging. If there are inconsistencies and clarifications the narrative matches more closely how we recall real events. Add to the process of recollection, the distortion as the message is passed from one person to another and it is easy to see how the retelling of an event gets fragmented.

      The image of OBL fed to us by the media and government talking heads convinced us of the necessity to change our lives, now I want to see if we have the will to change our lives back. OBL was just one man but he was turned into the bogeyman for the world and was a symbol of US impotence in the face of determined resistance.  The US can feel better about itself and hopefully Australians can regain our sense of purpose and our desire for freedom from onerous government control and surveillance.

    • Maddison!!!!! says:

      03:57pm | 06/05/11

      Wahh Wahh Wahh!! everyone have a cry , we are never going to find out if his dead or alive , im just thinking & hoping to myself his dead just so the world has one less scu*b*g to worry about!!

    • jesicca says:

      03:03pm | 19/04/12

      The horror scprit with you greedy #OWS guys just seems to write itself. It’s getting to be almost old hat to recount the daily #OWS rapes, deaths, suicides, assaults, thefts, hypodermic needles and human waste running in rivers in our city streets. So now you can add paralyzing New York City traffic, shutting down bridges and subways packed with honest citizens just assuming their lives, chasing down little grade school children and assaulting police officers. 3 concepts foreign to the liberal mind .. 1. A quote from the late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 2005: “You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.” 2. You would expect a conscientious person, of whatever degree of intelligence, to reflect on the strange contradiction involved in denying people the right to unearned wealth, while supporting programs that give people unearned wealth. 3. If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one. If a liberal doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat. If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church. A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it’s a foreign religion, of course!)If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his. Sincerely,Recovering Liberal PS. The American soldier is what a real hero is and I am constantly in awe of their honor and integrity.  God bless each and every one of you!

 

Facebook Recommendations

Read all about it

Punch live

Up to the minute Twitter chatter

Anthony Sharwood

Dementor doing a good job for sweden #sbseurovision

Anthony Sharwood

Ukraine song pinches chord progression from The Verve's Bittersweet Symphony. Fo real #sbseurovision

Anthony Sharwood

RT @GerardDaffy: @antsharwood all the talk over there is the grannies will win.they entered to get a church built,feelgood story

Anthony Sharwood

These peole insult my grandmothjer, who was born in minsk, belarus #sbseurovision

Recent posts

The latest and greatest

We don’t deserve this huge, exciting scientific project

We don’t deserve this huge, exciting scientific project

I’d like to be able to say that sharing the world’s largest radio telescope with South Africa…

Mining money talks the loudest in Australian politics

Mining money talks the loudest in Australian politics

When North Queensland Liberal MP George Christensen got the idea of launching a new political organisation…

Please enter your password

Please enter your password

Help! I’ve succumbed to a crippling modern illness that can strike at any moment. Symptoms include:…

Nosebleed Section

choice ringside rantings

From: They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

Michael S says:

"A teacher at Geelong Grammar had criticised her for using words that were too long, which had left her confused and had made her doubt her ability to write essays. She became ''quite distressed'' when her English marks began to fall." I can sympathise. My scholastic mentors conveyed to me a causal relationship… [read more]

From: Welfare for breeders is a bonus for everyone

Change Up! says:

I have no problem paying my taxes. As a single, childless person on a very decent income, I can afford it and not have my life severely altered. Plus I understand that my taxes paying for things like schools, childcare and infrastructure is ultimately a good thing. A better community is better for me… [read more]

Gentle jabs to the ribs

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

A private school girl’s family is sueing her elite, extremely expensive private school for not… Read more

243 comments

Newsletter

Read all about it

Sign up to the free daily Punch newsletter