Welcome to this week’s I Call Bullshit, a regular column on spin, pseudoscience and shenanigans. It’s a hairy one this week – does Yeti exist?

On a research trip to a remote Russian mountain this week, scientists found some hair and a footprint – and a ‘presumed bed’ - and declared they were now 95 per cent sure the mythical Yeti lives.

The Yeti legend is of a big, ape-like creature roaming the Siberian tundra, with wild fur but a hairless face. Reports of sightings crop up with Roswellian frequency – and coincidentally there have been several reports of alien bodies and UFO crash sites in the ‘hood as well.

The Guardian reports the local government says it has now “collected irrefutable evidence” of the Yeti.

There has been plenty of ‘evidence’ found in the past. Several explorers have found large footprints, but it’s more likely these are from an animal, such as a wolf or a monkey, but have been distorted as the snow melts.

There are a few grainy images and dodgy videos around, but it’s more likely these are of a bear, or a monkey - or a dude in a gorilla suit - than an oversized, hirsute hominid.

One ‘Yeti’ turned out to be a dishevelled Tibetan holy man.

Throw in the fact the scientists who gathered for the convention in the Kemerov region are Yeti ‘enthusiasts’, and I reckon you can call bullshit.

Take Robin Lynn, from Michigan in the US. She arrived at the conference fairly certain that they do exist. In fact, she says she has a family of ten living on her land – although over that way they’d be called Sasquatch or Bigfoot.

“I know they exist – I see them every day,” she said.

Ah well then, that’s settled, should be easy to track down and DNA test, then.

The Guardian, with the merest hint of cynicism, points out that “The Kemerovo government has hosted a number of stunts aimed at boosting the region’s reputation as a Yeti centre.”

Yeti tales have definitely earned their place within cryptozoology – the pseudoscience of “creatures thought to exist for which no conclusive evidence has been found”.

And yet - according to this wildly speculative article in Nature, the discovery of Homo floresiensis - the metre-tall hominids known as ‘Hobbits’ who existed on the island of Flores as recently as 18,000 years ago – raised hoped for Yeti hunters. For the first time, there seemed a real possibility of a genuine ‘homo’ species living at the same time as Homo sapiens.

From the sounds of that, and the fact that we are still discovering hitherto unknown species, there’s a sliver of possibility that something Yeti-like exists out there. But has it been discovered by the likes of Ms Lynn at the Kemerov conference?

I don’t think so. I call bullshit.

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    • Tubesteak says:

      12:23pm | 13/10/11

      It’s difficult to believe that something of that size could be living in an area that has been populated (albeit sparsely) for thousands of years and never being discovered until now-ish.

      ICB too

    • MarkS says:

      07:49am | 14/10/11

      There is a couple of greek lads who go to my local pool. Big, wild fur, hairless face. But I think I will avoid calling them Yeti’s.

    • majority says:

      12:24pm | 13/10/11

      Breaking news. Crazy nut jobs story not likely to be true.

    • marley says:

      12:26pm | 13/10/11

      Nah, not bullshit - just the aftereffect of vast quantities of Russian vodka.  I’m not quite sure what the excuse for the Michigan lady is.  Anyway, everyone knows Sasquatch only live west of the Rockies.

    • Kafir says:

      12:36pm | 13/10/11

      A half melted foot imprint in a snow is not evidence. However, strands of hair can be, as they can be DNA tested.

      In my opinion Yeti belongs to the same family as “honest politician” and “informed journalist” - the homo-oxymoronus.

      By the way, you can buy and own a Yeti if you have a large enough garage to keep it. I’ve been told by Jeremy Clarkson it is very civilised and reliable (http://http://www.skoda.com.au/yeti/).

    • Babe in the Woods says:

      12:42pm | 13/10/11

      Ah, I don’t know.  There are lots of strange creatures running around.  Look in any politician’s office.

    • KH says:

      12:45pm | 13/10/11

      The Yeti does exist in Russia.  He recently ‘discovered’ some ancient pottery whilst scuba diving.  I can’t believe no one noticed before now…...........

    • Statically Determinate says:

      12:45pm | 13/10/11

      I tend to agree with you Tory. It’s an exciting headline to claim evidence of the unknown, throwing attention at a region crying out for tourism, but rarely does science aid in proving said headline.

      Keeping that in mind, every now and then a new species or genus is discovered. A new species of crab or the like was discovered only the other week, threatening to shut down a development all but ready to go ahead.

      We may not have documented everything on this planet just yet.

    • natweeza says:

      12:46pm | 13/10/11

      Plenty of yetis at my work leaving pubes on the toilet seat. Keep it trimmed people.

    • Poindexter says:

      12:52pm | 13/10/11

      The Siberian “yeti” is called the almas in their local lore and the stories have been around for generations.With the recent discovery of the remains of the Denisovan hominids in Siberia and the Neanderthals sharing Eurasia with modern humans for some 10-15000 years it seems likely that stories of almas or yetis may be distant folk memories of a time when Homo Sapiens did share the planet with other hominid species.

    • Kika says:

      01:56pm | 13/10/11

      Gigantopithecus is another example and possible explanation for yetis.

    • old fart says:

      01:22pm | 14/10/11

      there is a gathering of neanderthals in NZ atm

    • hot tub political machine says:

      02:38pm | 14/10/11

      no no old fart. Its the rugby *Union* world cup. Its a gathering of neckless private school kids

    • neo says:

      12:57pm | 13/10/11

      I say we mount an expedition to find the Yeti, with Bob Katter in charge.

    • S.L says:

      01:02pm | 13/10/11

      The Yeti, Bunyip, Big Foot, a South American that hates Soccer, a female that hates shopping, a Greenie with a brain…........all ficticious B/S!

    • Labs (d)rool!!! says:

      08:44pm | 13/10/11

      I am a female who LOATHES shopping. I demand to be placed on a protected species list, and have the Gummint throw lots of money at me.

      (The rest, of course, are totally fictional.)

    • fml says:

      01:05pm | 13/10/11

      I am going to go out on a limb here and say the yeti does exist, you can buy me a coke when i am found out to be right. smile

    • Aitch B says:

      02:55pm | 13/10/11

      @fml

      I suppose you want one with the name “Yeti” on it. Probably a damned sight easier than finding one with MY name on it!! smile

    • fml says:

      03:51pm | 13/10/11

      I doubt they would have my name either!

      I blame the parents raspberry

    • iansand says:

      01:06pm | 13/10/11

      Of course, in the last decade or so, a new species of deer was discovered in Vietnam, although no one was actually looking for it.

      It is very easy to dismiss how easy it could be for a critter to be lost in an area until you know a bit about the terrain and vegetation.  A few decades ago I spent a bit of time in the wilderness of South West Tasmania.  I was sceptical about the possibility of the survival of thylacines until I went there, but now I have absolutely no problem believing they could survive (but accept that there is no proof).

      It is the same as yetis and sasquatch.  There are some pretty significant swathes of wild and unvisited country in Tibet and the US northwest.  It is possible that anything is in there.

      The only rational attitude is possible but unlikely.  Certainty of either extreme is the only bullshit.

    • Mahhrat says:

      01:26pm | 13/10/11

      I reckon the Yeti’s real.

      With all the climate warming, he’s coming down out of the mountains to avoid the snowmelt.

    • Kika says:

      01:48pm | 13/10/11

      Actually, Tory given that all over the world (yes even in Australia) there are stories about these sorts of creatures I’d say that if they don’t exist now, they probably did.
      The gigantopithecus was a species of a giant ape which lived in China roughly 300,000 years to a million years ago. Bones found indicate that it would have stood up to 3 metres tall and weighed up to 540kgs.

      Is it that implausible that some of them survived into the modern era and forced into remote areas away from humans?

      The Aboriginal stories of Turramulli and Imjins up north and widgees around the gold coast hinterland indicate that creatures like the Gigantopithecus lived in Australia.

      I don’t call BS. I’d say it’s possible.

    • Tory Shepherd

      Tory Shepherd says:

      02:15pm | 13/10/11

      Hey, Kika - I agree - that’s why I called bullshit on the current yarn but left it open for the future. Did you read the Nature link about the Hobbit? It’s really interesting..

    • Kika says:

      02:20pm | 13/10/11

      Yeah I did read up on the ‘hobbit’. Fascinating. If I lived another life where my parents were so rich I’d have a nice little trust fund to rely on I would have been a paleontologist or a paleo-anthropologist in a second.

      The hobbits could also have been like the tiny people the Aboriginal people believed existed in the Cape York -Atherton Tableland too.

      Amazing.

    • Mark G says:

      03:27pm | 13/10/11

      Kika,

      While your hypothesis that they may have existed during ancient times is probably reasonable (or at least impossible to disprove) what I disagree with is that sightings all over the world today demonstrations that they might still exist. The only thing that this situation proves is that human imagination and delusion have no bounds and these traits are common to people the world over. The same argument is used to promote the UFO/alien hypothesis.

      “There are millions of sightings the world over. Even if only 1% of these are true, it still proves the existence of [insert random creature or phenomenon]”

      Its a bad argument because it fails to come to terms with basic human psychology. That is that people perceive the world how their brains want them to perceive it. Common delusions run through populations because we interact with each other and pass on our experiences. This has become even more prolific in modern times due to TV, radio and internet. We perceive the world based on our past knowledge, experience and interactions. Put simply if enough people say they saw something or you bombard people with enough stories or vision of something, when they are in a similar situations they will perceive very similar things wether its a true and accurate account or not. Memory is even more distorted and prone to error.

    • Jason Smith says:

      12:08am | 14/10/11

      Hey Mark,
      prove they don’t exist…

    • Mark G says:

      07:52am | 14/10/11

      Jason Smith,

      Prove that unicorns, fairies, lepricorns…... dont exist. Do you believe in all of those too.

    • David C says:

      01:56pm | 13/10/11

      Is it that they are 95% sure or 97% of all scientists believe it to be true?
      Why didnt anyone think to leave a camera filming when they left the food etc out for it????

    • Joan says:

      02:30pm | 13/10/11

      Once again the yeti outsmarts man and all his fandangle, gizzmos and gadgets and disapears into the ether. hey and what about DNA testing???  Man goes dumb and stoopid when `faced` with a yeti.

    • Chris L says:

      06:28pm | 13/10/11

      “Once again the yeti outsmarts man” - Not really a tall order is it Joan? They probably received assistance from leprechauns.

    • fairsfair says:

      02:17pm | 13/10/11

      “I’ll tell you who stole those lunches. It was that damn Sasquatch”.

    • marley says:

      02:32pm | 13/10/11

      Now fairs, be nice - I come from Sasquatch country.  Never had any living at the bottom of the garden though.

    • Chris L says:

      06:29pm | 13/10/11

      Did they ever eat your homework Marley?

    • marley says:

      06:52pm | 13/10/11

      @Chris L. -never - that was the bears.  But my grandfather used to swear he’d almost seen a sasquatch once.

    • Horns Up says:

      03:05pm | 13/10/11

      They’re myth.

      If they actually existed they would need to exist in a population large enough to sustain breeding which means that there’d be plenty of spore for us to discover which we haven’t.

      Big Foot, The Yeti, Yowies all bullshit.

      \m/

    • SimpleSimon says:

      03:56pm | 13/10/11

      Was going to make the same point. There can’t just be 1, there has to be enough to breed ongoing. I’ll struggle to believe they exist until I see a toddler Yeti run in front of my car chasing his Yeti-soccer ball.

      P.S. \m/0_o\m/

    • Horns Up says:

      07:26pm | 13/10/11

      Too true!

      oh and lol @ your PS.

      \m/

    • Mark G says:

      03:07pm | 13/10/11

      We are still discovering new species and have not found every species on earth. That is true. But we are not finding new large land mammals and nothing similar to a new primate and certainly not anything similar to a Homo species. The species referred to in the new discoveries are things like the crabs you mentioned. Other discoveries are things like deep sea fish, insects like butterflies and beetles, some small animals and so on.

      In cases like this I actually take offense to the mis-use of the word scientist. I certainly question the credibility of an apparent scientist who sees the remains of an animal’s bedding, territorial marking behaviour and animal footprints and automatically comes to the conclusion that this is 95% proof of the existence of yetis. Could possible be anything but a yeti? how about a bear? ICB on that even before you acknowledge the fact that one of the American experts already thinks she lives with bigfoot. A scientist is someone who uses the scientific method. Not just someone who has read too many sci-fi books with the occasional glance at a science text book.

    • Peter j says:

      03:07pm | 13/10/11

      Giant squids didn’t exist either till e few years ago when they videoed one. I don’t think the human race knows or has discovered absolutely everything there is yet.

    • old fart says:

      01:27pm | 14/10/11

      ICB, they were on voyage to the bottom of the sea when I was twelve years old, probably before you were born

    • Yowee says:

      03:10pm | 13/10/11

      Graaahhhhh. I am too alive.

      Every doubting thomas makes one more of us die

    • Mark G says:

      03:30pm | 13/10/11

      Does that mean that when everyone stops believing in you, the last of you will die out? That’s convenient.

    • Marty says:

      04:16pm | 13/10/11

      If only all of our crazy beliefs were ‘validated’ by gramp’s pube?

    • Kika says:

      04:50pm | 13/10/11

      Guess what? Hate to break this to you, but Gramp probably doesn’t have any left! My nanny told me when you get old they all fall out.

    • David of Adelagado says:

      05:25pm | 13/10/11

      Don’t we all wish it was true.

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      07:18pm | 13/10/11

      I know it’s late but when I saw the “abominable Snowjob” header I thought you would be leading into how both sides of the political fence have “snowed” the voters into believing that they are smarter than the people smugglers and illegal immigrants.  Look at the result we have got today.  Bring on the Europe catastrophe they say by their actions.  Get rid of both groups of them I say, and bring on the next generation of pollies.  This lot are hopeless. 
      By the by:  I guess I will now have to wait until tomorrow to comment on this issue. 
      Now back to the hairy ones.

    • Julia the Conqueror says:

      07:31pm | 13/10/11

      The Yeti are the sacred animals of the Liberal party.
      The Yeti are the rulership elite of the Liberal Party

    • Fran Smith says:

      08:24pm | 13/10/11

      Spoken like a true neanderthal…

    • Kath Grant says:

      08:45pm | 13/10/11

      I’m visiting the ACT and went to question time today.  i watched Tony Abbott strut around in a very manly sort of manner and I wondered Julia, I really wondered.

    • Mark says:

      01:03am | 14/10/11

      The Wollemi Pine had supposedly been extinct for about 65 million years till a clump of them turned up only 30-40 kms from civillisation. And they’re just trees - they cant hide and they can’t hear anyone coming. They just stand there.

    • Lostie says:

      05:33am | 14/10/11

      Also, there weren’t hundreds of people looking for the Wollemi Pine.

      No one was setting up cameras, traps etc in Wollemi Pine country hoping to catch one strolling by.

      Don’t get me wrong, this doesn’t disprove it - but as it remains there is no rational or logical reason for believing that that the Yeti (assuming that you mean that large, ape-like creature) exists in the modern world.

      Then again, humans have a pretty poor record when it comes to relying on evidence when it comes to making decisions about reality - we insist on hope (the refusal to accept reality), respect faith (the beleif in a thing in the absence of evidence or despite evidence to the contrary) and spend billions on fanciful, unsupported snake oil salesmen (alternative medicines etc).

      I’ll stand on the side of reasonable, evidence based opinion and watch from there - as evidence changes so to will my opinion.

    • Al says:

      06:48am | 14/10/11

      Yes, 30 to 40kms from civilisation, in a very inaccesabile area that had not been visited regularly by people. (Last I knew they needed helicopters to be able to get into the area where they are at to study them).
      The likelyhood of a Yeti like creature remaining undiscovered for so long with no compelling evidence is very remote (but not impossible). Of course the same could be said for T-rex as well.

    • Mark says:

      12:34pm | 14/10/11

      I’m not sure the of these number of people (or their intellectual calibre) is much of an argument for or against. Nor is the accessibility of the area - last I checked, the Trans Baykal was the most inaccessible area on earth. The Tunguska event went off without barely anyone noticing in these parts.

      The only good argument for it not being out there is that we had fossils of the Wollemi and we have none of Yeti/Bigfoot/whatever. But again, the presence of fossils isn’t a given and it is possible that a hominid could slip through the geological record.

      Homo Floriensis guys - If you can have little people…

    • old fart says:

      01:18pm | 14/10/11

      maybe they got confused and were after chrissy pine?

    • Cry in my Gin says:

      11:26am | 14/10/11

      My alfoil hat just fell off. Now the voices are getting louder. Yeti’s are the least of our problems people.

    • The righteous one says:

      01:15pm | 14/10/11

      I’ve been waiting to pun this,  Maybe it isnt awild Yeti, maybe it was Putin there, couldnt help my self ,sorry Tory

    • The righteous one says:

      01:20pm | 14/10/11

      “On a research trip to a remote Russian mountain this week, scientists found some hair and a footprint – and a ‘presumed bed’ “

      What a load of crap, I found all of this in my backyard last saturday, as well as a droping, it was just the bloody dog

    • Robert Smissen Of rural SA says:

      03:02pm | 14/10/11

      The Yeti legend is of a big, ape-like creature roaming the Siberian tundra, with wild fur but a hairless face. Reports of sightings crop up with Roswellian frequency – and coincidentally there have been several reports of alien bodies and UFO crash sites in the ‘hood as well. I think I saw some in an AFL change room too.

 

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