Humble pie is a real food. Modern derivatives of it are mainly sweet, but the original dish was something like shepherd’s pie, only made with animal entrails rather than meat.

Chow down

So that’s the recipe if you need to serve it up, and there’ll be many ruing their failed election result predictions today. Including me. Offal, yum.

But whatever about numbers of seats there were a range of predictions and arguments about the risks and opportunities in the campaign for both sides that never materialised. So here, totally subjectively, in no particular order and without pointing fingers, is a list of the top 10 campaign theories put about by smartypantses of all persuasions that turned out to be wrong. Please add your favourite wrong predictions and analyses in the comments.

1. Tony Abbott will self-destruct. Never happened apart from a little wobble on Work Choices at the start of the campaign. And it’s not as if he wasn’t given the opportunity to say something outrageous. He walked around with microphones in his face for five weeks and never even looked close to saying “shit-eating grin”. He spoke at length on abortion at the Brisbane people’s forum and managed not to repeat anything like his remark that the rate of abortions was a “national tragedy”, saying instead that he thought people should be having more babies because it was good for the country.

2. There will be a “Gillard factor” because she’s a woman. That Julia Gillard didn’t unite a woman’s vote says much about mainstream Australia’s view on gender equality. After some initial excitement about having a woman in The Lodge, any Gillard factor was supplanted by questions about policy and whether, as the Liberal campaign put it, the government should be given another go. Support for Labor got a small bump for Labor in Victoria, where the PM lives, and South Australia, where she was raised, but there was no detectable Gillard factor nationwide.

3. It’s the social media election. Aside from catching yourself up on the latest campaign developments by checking in on the Twitter #ausvotes social media was pretty much useless in this campaign. The leaders didn’t use it much - Tony Abbott (or whoever tweets for him) managed a total of two tweets the entire five weeks, both on the same night. The reason for this, I’d argue, is not because politicians are dinosaurs and “don’t get it” as the digirati like to think, but that social networks, especially Twitter, have very little reach or influence with undecided voters in marginal seats. For power hits in the best places for pollies to concentrate their energies remained radio, television, and print.

4. High poll ratings for The Greens will fail to translate to votes. It’s a convention that the Greens primary vote tends to be over-represented in the opinion polls. Some argue is because they don’t have the volunteers available to show up at polling booths and hand out how-to-vote cards; another view is that people find it easier to tell a pollster they’ll vote Green but it is a different mattter to commit to it on the ballot paper. This year, particularly in the Senate, it has been different. The polls had the Greens primary vote support at between 12 and 15 per cent, and they have secured 11.9 per cent. In the Senate they have 12 per cent or more of the vote in most states.

5. Labor will be returned for saving the economy from the GFC. No further comment required.

6. Abbott is too conservative to be considered a serious alternative PM. Abbott’s outspoken views on the monarchy, the aforementioned abortion issue and sex before marriage, are well-known in the community because he has been in active politics since the republic referendum. The fact that he came within an ace of becoming Prime Minister shows how he managed to grow into his role as opposition leader and present a credible alternative.

7. The election will be won and lost in NSW and Queensland.This one is mainly true, especially for Queensland, but in an election this close results in seats in other states including Tasmania and WA are critical too. The shock prospect of Labor losing Denison to independent Andrew Wilkie could yet prove decisive, as could the result in the Hasluck in Western Australia where the Liberals’ Ken Wyatt is ahead of Labor by a slim margin. Labor also grabbed a couple of critical seats in Victoria.

8. The NBN is a vote-winner. Broadband was the stand-out policy area where there was a chasm between the parties. It appears to have paid off for Labor in Tasmania, where the government got a hefty swing to it in Bass, but the National Broadband Network, despite featuring heavily in the Labor campaign from the start, never really captured the public imagination for very long.

9. Wyatt Roy was too young to be taken seriously. The votes aren’t all counted yet but it looks like the 20-year-old is in. On Channel Nine Laurie Oakes called Longman for Roy, saying he had won when “just about everybody thought he wouldn’t”. Good on him. Showed “just about everybody”, didn’t he?

10. It’s the economy, stupid. This is a political maxim of sorts, made famous when it was a catch-cry of Bill Clinton’s campaign advisers in his 1992 run at the US presidency. The argument is economic vision and strategy are the critical determinants in who wins an election. I’d suggest there were other factors at work in this campaign, particularly in Queensland where the Rudd factor worked heavily against the Labor party.

That’s my unscientific list. Tell me I’m wrong (again) and add yours in the comments - what other crazy theories were people shopping in the last five weeks?

For the record, I tipped the Liberals to win by 2 seats. And I don’t like offal.

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    • Eric says:

      05:53am | 23/08/10

      I nominate all the pundits who said Tony Abbott was unelectable. Some handy lists here.

      http://bit.ly/dCuA4k http://bit.ly/9Hyqor

      On what grounds can these supposedly impartial “experts” retain their credibility?

      I have to admit my own prediction was wrong, too. I thought Labor would win a bare majority.

    • TimB says:

      07:43am | 23/08/10

      I agree. On that note I also nominate any Punchers who used the same word. It just indicated that their predictions were driven by their one-eyed beliefs rather than actual logic.

      Oh and anyone who reckoned Labor were going to get an increased majority. Fantasy land dwellers the lot of them. Labor was always going to take a hammering.

      Personally, I took the easy way out and predicted it would be close but didn’t know who would win. As it turned out the election was close, and no-one knows who won! I’m counting that as a win for me smile

    • Sherlock says:

      09:19am | 23/08/10

      Eric says: I nominate all the pundits who said Tony Abbott was unelectable. Some handy lists here.

      I really hope the moderators let me post all of this   All of these were originally published as comments on “The Punch”

      Seano says:  07:54am | 23/06/10
      Tony Abbott’s secret 700k loan shows that one of the many reasons he is unelectable

      Seano says:  08:03am | 20/07/10
      Abbott cannot be trusted because he is untrustworthy and therefore unelectable.

      [mods - list clipped because it just goes on and on making the same point.]

    • Seano says:

      10:43am | 23/08/10

      As ever Sherls you’re funny.

      But you have seen the result haven’t you? Despite Labor self destructing and Abbott being on his super best behaviour the current tally stands at 72 Labor and 71 Liberal.

      He still couldn’t get it across the line.

    • CSallen says:

      11:15am | 23/08/10

      Seano you must still be watching channel &‘s election coverage.
      Liberal is in front by one seat (72 to 71).
      http://vtr.aec.gov.au/
      Although it’s a useless lead anyway unless someone from Liberal takes the GG some tea and scones and asks to run in minority.
      Take the Green preferences away and Labor got caned no matter which way you look at it.

    • TimB says:

      11:21am | 23/08/10

      @ Seano, You miss the point. The very fact that Tony has gotten this close should be enough to show whatever reasoning you had to be wrong, but I know you’re not going to let it go until the result is beyond all shadow of a doubt.

      The latest prediction from the ABC site has the final count being 73-73. Assuming the 3 ex-Nat’s put the wishes of their own electorate first (like they’re supposed to) they’ll side with the coalition. 

      Assuming all this (And I’m not saying it’s definite by any means) Tony Abbot will be Prime Minister. If and when that happens, can you please finally admit you were wrong & your predictions were not based on sound logic.

    • Sun Tzu says:

      11:22am | 23/08/10

      Seano, if that’s your standard, then Gillard is “unelectable” too.

    • MarK says:

      11:51am | 23/08/10

      Note to Seano….neither has any other first term opposition come so close to winning a mandate. This is the first government since Scullin to not win outright.

      It is a pretty damning statistic given the Great Depression Scullin had to fight.

      The real issue is how do either side claim a mandate to do anything?

      This was an unmitigated disaster for Labor, the more I think about it it is probably worse than losing for them. Wt least with a loss they could try and look at themselves and improve. This half a win is neither honourable or a relief. The backroom boys will claim a victory by sayong they saved a loss Rudd would have led to while the people at the coalface losing their seats and trying to form anything remotely resembling stability will be saying WTF?

      NSW will just look on with a knowing smile when they dump Julia and move onto their 3rd leader soon.

      Been there done that.

    • SkepDad says:

      12:13pm | 23/08/10

      Eric, one can be impartial and still be wrong. 

      I impartially stated that Abbott was unelectable at the beginning of the campaign, and over the course of it gradually changed my view.  He surprised me greatly, and it’s obvious that he surprised a great many people in the same way. 

      I didn’t see many people stating that he was unelectable in the final weeks.  *That* would have been partisan nonsense.

    • Sherlock says:

      12:46pm | 23/08/10

      Seano says: As ever Sherls you’re funny.

      I was doubtful that the mods would post the lot as it did go on and on but only allowing two quotes ruined the effect. At least five would have been funnier. I found over 30 examples of you declaring Abbott as unelectable just searching this site alone. I wonder how many I would have found if I broadened the search

      You now appear to be mixing up the definitions of the terms “unelectable” and “not elected” There is a huge difference.

      One other quick note to remember in any future political discussions. In 2007 I voted Labor in the senate, on Saturday I voted Labor in both houses. So remember that any comments I make in the future I make as a Labor voter.

    • Mitzi says:

      12:47pm | 23/08/10

      C.Sallen…the Governor General is Bill Shortens mother-in-law. How’s that for political engineering on behalf of Labor?? If there turns out to be a call for both parties to present their case to her on being able to secure supply, as in being able to govern, which side will she choose?? Labor are as bad as the communist regime in North Korea & will stop at nothing to get power.

    • Just Sayin' says:

      12:47pm | 23/08/10

      @ Skepdad

      A truly impartial person changes their view when they get new information.  Which is exactly what you did.  But, for the record, both Abbott and Gillard are clearly electable, as they both one their seats convincingly and were both elected to the leadership by their own parties.

      I’m happy to say that all of my overarching predictions were accurate… so far:
      1. Hung parliament
      2. Labor to have a large swing against them on primaries (no-brainer)
      3. Labor to have a marginally higher 2PP than the Libs
      4. Greens to take balance of power in the Senate (also a no-brainer)

      I’ll have to wait and see on the others:
      5. Libs will form government
      6. We’ll be back to the polls in less than 3 years

      I didn’t do so well on many of my seat-by-seat predictions.

    • Seano says:

      02:09pm | 23/08/10

      @TimB - How can I be wrong if Abbott has failed to be elected? Oh I forgot when you have the attitude of a divine right to rule close enough is good enough. You fail basic logic.

      @Sun Tzu - thank you captain obvious, but I can see that it’s a hung parliament.

      @CSallen - with everything that went wrong for Labor and right for Abbott still didn’t win champ.

      @MarK - I don’t remember arguing that the result on the weekend was anything other than a disaster for Labor. All I’ve said was the result might turn out to be good for all of us with both parties having to lift their games and the Greens “keeping the bastards honest” and pointing out that the triumphalism is arrogant and stupid considering the electorate has demonstrated that they’re not particularly happy with either side. The only party that can be happy with the result on Saturday are the Greens.

      @Sherls - you voted Labor?  Bollocks. You’ve never once said one positive thing about any Labor policy ever. And yet you voted Labor, bollocks.

    • RIM says:

      02:33pm | 23/08/10

      He was always electable, spin duds in Labor and media just wanted as many as possible to believe otherwise. The game’s not over yet, 72/72 was last fluctuation on AEC http://vtr.aec.gov.au/Default.htm with only very few postals showing as received but not counted. 2 million uncounted votes could change the whole ball-game!

    • TimB says:

      02:43pm | 23/08/10

      @ Seano, I asked you if you would admit you were wrong IF AND WHEN Abbott becomes PM. You fail basic reading comprehension.

      And as for your inane comment about Sherlock, you had the same “lalala, I’m not listening” response to me when I told you I’d voted Labor in 2003. How can anyone expect to have a rational discussion with you if you automatically dismiss anything that spoils your pre-concieved viewpoint?

    • Sherlock says:

      03:06pm | 23/08/10

      Sherls - you voted Labor?  Bollocks.

      Sorry Seano but it’s true. In both the House of Representatives and the Senate. Labor for the both of them. Add that to Labor in the Senate in 2007 and that make my voting ration three out of a possible four in favour of Labor.

      Taking in both federal and state elections since I turned 18,  I’d say my Lib/Labor voting ratio would be very close to 50/50.

      You might want to remember that in future before designating me as a one eyed liberal supporter.

    • Eric says:

      03:35pm | 23/08/10

      So, Seano, if Tony Abbott manages to form a minority government, will he still be “unelectable”? My guess is that you’ll stick to your sinking boat, and say yes.

      But then, the official Labor Party line is that we don’t elect the PM anyway. So that means every Prime Minister is “unelectable”!

      There comes a point when misused words simply become meaningless.

    • Seano says:

      04:24pm | 23/08/10

      @TimB - Sorry mate it’s your logic that’s in question. The greater voting public have not elected Abbott and his party to rule the country. This despite Labor shooting themselves in the foot, knifing a popular PM and running a poor campaign. Abbott remains unelectable in the face of all that. That he might get the job through deals with the independents is meaningless. His party wasn’t elected, he hasn’t got a mandate and he’ll be nobbled anyway. But hey you rant on champ, rant on.

      @Sherls - A one eyed liberal supporter is someone who only ever sees the Lib side of the argument, that’s you champ despite the pretence.

      @Eric - Well he wasn’t elected was he Eric? Did or did Abbott not fail to win the election. Abbott is clearly unelectable when in the face of all the problems Labor have had (admittedly largely self inflicted) he could not WIN. People want Abbott about as much as they want Gillard and it doesn’t look like they particularly want either of them. You conservatives can pretend that this is a huge win for you but the only party that can claim that are the Greens.

      Who ever the independents go with will be nobbled. And I personally don’t think that’s a bad thing as both parties have become more focused on getting elected than doing a good job. That should be the message that both sides take from this. But hey you pretending not losing is a big win, f you want to talk about meaningless start there.

      And whoever takes the poisoned chalice of a minority government is likely looking at one very difficult term.

    • Eva says:

      04:57pm | 23/08/10

      Skep Dad,

      I agree with you about Tony Abbott. I began the build up to the election viewing him the way the media wanted me too…...an idiot.

      But by the end I was very impressed by him as a man. Either we got to see the Real Tony or he had an excellent team of image builders. I cannot say the same for Julia Gillard. I had wanted her for PM since even before the 2007 election. Did we get so see the Real Julia in this lead up…....I don’t think so. She was scripted, covered in stage make-up to hide the wrinkles and even had gel tips added to her fingers. I became disgusted with with the image she was forced to take on.

    • TimB says:

      05:56pm | 23/08/10

      Oh I give up.

      Seano drones on repeatedly about Abbot being unelectable but completely ignores the fact that the exact same thing can be said of Julia Gillard.

      He drones on about one-eyed supporters whilst completely ignores the fact that his own posts support Labor no matter how bad or idiotic their actions are.

      He drones on about everyone else’s logic being flawed yet claims things like “The greens had a huge win” with their one seat gained, whilst simultanously claiming the Coalition gain of 13 seats and the destuction of Labor’s majority doesn’t count as a win of any kind.

      I stongly suggest the rest of us just let Seano drone to himself fom now on. Constantly pointing out all the flaws in what he writes is tiresome.

    • Seano says:

      07:33pm | 23/08/10

      @Timmy - and yet you’ve failed to point out a single flaw.

      Since the result where have I suggested that Gillard is anymore electable than Abbott champ? Neither are electable, that’s what the voters are saying. I’m happy to accept that why can’t you?

      What I have argued is that my position that Abbott is unelectable has been proven, he and his party have not been elected to govern despite Labor’s awful performance.

      You have yet to challenge this logic because in your limited mind a draw is somehow a win.

      PS. Please feel free to ignore my comments, as yours obviously lack any insight they wont be missed.

    • Nicole says:

      07:48pm | 23/08/10

      @TimB, good idea. Seano has a mind like a steel trap…..always closed. I reckon you’d have more luck bashing your head against a brick wall.

    • Roja says:

      10:38pm | 23/08/10

      How can any of you bang on like you won? If you support either side you are supporting a loser no matter how much you play with the semantics.

      If labor gets power, it’s with nationals and pretty much has to concede the mining tax among other conservative policies.  If the Coalition get power, they face the greens in the senate and will have to yield to the left on who knows what.

      Australia decided emphatically… they both suck equally badly.

      Final result… 1-1 draw with a rematch in 3-12 months.

      In good news, Fielding lost.

    • Seano says:

      04:48pm | 24/08/10

      @Nicole - perhaps you need to come up with a point to challenge my arguments.

      @Roja - exactly both sides lost. But the big winners (besides the Greens) might be all of us as the majors reassess and hopefully start forming policy on the basis of what is good and right rather than only thiking as far as being re-elected.

      I’m glad Fielding is gone too.

    • Roja says:

      12:41am | 25/08/10

      It’s funny that before the election because I wanted Abbott to lose, to me that surely meant I wanted Julia to win. 

      After the election, it appears that I got my two wishes - Abbott lost and the NBN will be delivered in at least some form. 

      To add to that I am warming to the idea that the parties are largely dissolved for three years, all politicians are to immediately represent their constituents instead.  See how that goes.  It’s apparently what Australia really wants.  Well, they don’t want what was offered that’s for sure.

      Sadly for a true democracy such as that we would require a useful head of state, such as a president.  Instead we have a ceremonial position that is so pointless it can be performed with no conflict of interest even when a son in law is involved in the election.

    • MarK says:

      08:03am | 23/08/10

      I was seriously guilty of thinking the green vote would not translate into the number of votes they actually won.

      It is a good thing really. Maybe people will ask them some real and hard questions now

    • Hamish says:

      12:39pm | 23/08/10

      I too was guilty of believing the Green vote would go back to about 9%, but they still got less than the polls suggested. I think it shows the extent to which traditional ALP voters are disengaged. Really, it is laughable that the ALP may form government after having such a massive swing against them and a primary vote of less than 38%.

    • Darin says:

      01:54pm | 23/08/10

      I don’t know how much this affected the Green vote (if at all), but the turnout in the seat of Melbourne is currently only at 70% (with 42 of 49 booths reporting). Such a low turn out rate could be the result of Greens voters staying home.

    • Just Sayin' says:

      04:43pm | 23/08/10

      Strange theory Darin - the only seat the Greens win and you speculate that the Greens were staying home instead of voting?  If it does have a lower turnout (I don;t know if this is true, but I’ll take your word for it) it would more likely be Liberal voters who couldn’t be bothered, knowing full well that is was always going to be a contest between Labor and the Greens.

    • Polly Waffle says:

      08:13am | 23/08/10

      Both major parties should eat humble pie and reconsider their philosophies which usually help themselves and not Australia and its people.  A hung parliament is thenew broom which might just actually bring some truth and honesty into elections.  Journalists take note too.

    • Tom says:

      10:41am | 23/08/10

      Absolute rubbish - the election was a major victory for the Coalition, they have in one term turned around one of their biggest losses to a bloke who for much of his first term had the highest approval ratings on record.

      To actually be in with a chance of forming government is an amazing turnaround and one that shows the coalition to be a formiable team

      yes there will be a new broom - Katter is an absolute fruit loop and who ever governs the country is in for a rough time, having got legislation through the house of reps they will then have to negotiate with the greens

      we live in interesting times - lets just hope there are not exernal shocks to the system - we will be in serious trouble

    • Rosie says:

      08:19am | 23/08/10

      Those of us with old fashion family values weren’t taken seriously with the intelligentsia section of our society.

      I kept that at the back of my mind and proof to that was what happened here in Townsville. We had Julia Gillard make quick visits to Townsville, Wayne Swann I am certain was here at least 4 times and Kevin Rudd the last week of the election campaign. Townsville was the starting point where the NBN was going to be rolled out for North Queensland and we were hearing it everyday during the campaign.

      The Labor candidate Tony Mooney is well known but not liked much here because of his past and that is the reason he lost. He campaigned well and it was well funded and nothing more could’ve been done to help him win against the Liberal candidate, a decent guy who wasn’t well known but was Tony Mooney’s apponent.

      I think the same thing happened in Longman with Wyatt Roy, people weren’t going to be fooled and baited with all the Labor spin but believed in their own judgement that Roy was a decent bloke who believed in himself and was going to do the right thing for them. Age didn’t matter once they got to know him.

    • Gregg says:

      08:25am | 23/08/10

      My Liberal Legs eleven was rather optimistic but maybe it was optimism that swayed enough voters and I’ll just claim it as an ambit claim.

      On your Pie Contents Colg, some interesting thoughts were held during the campaign and my views still are:

      1. Tony Abbott will self-destruct.
      ” Didn’t expect it would happen and though there could have been some better answers, maybe we ought to thank KOB a little for helping out with some practice for he always grills Tony pretty severely and though many may consider Tony running on empty re NBN, KOB’s performance was really a belittlement of himself. “

      2. There will be a “Gillard factor” because she’s a woman. Support for Labor got a small bump for Labor in Victoria, where the PM lives, and South Australia, where she was born, but there was no detectable Gillard factor.
      ” I agree there was a factor and disagree it was not detectable.
      The result for Labor would likely have been worse without the factor but how long she remains will be interesting. “
      And who will replace her!
      Shorty Capone with MIL GG!

      3. It’s the social media election.
      ” Any elections have media factors and this one no different. “
      Bloody good actually that twitter wasn’t on the team for it’s just so shallow.

      4. High poll ratings for The Greens will fail to translate to votes.
      ” The polls are usually close enough for all parties, so don’t know why they would not be expected to get votes and mostly from disillusioned Labor voters which makes their failure all the more pertinent. “

      5. Labor will be returned for saving the economy from the GFC. No comment required.
      ” What do you mean No Comment needed!
      If anything their claim on that needed to have more strips torn from it as it is a myth formed from the largely immeasurable. “
      And the worst is yet to hit others and us
      http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2010/s2987864.htm

      6. Abbott is too conservative to be considered a serious alternative PM. he came within an ace of becoming Prime Minister shows how he managed to grow into his role as opposition leader and present a credible alternative.
      ” He may yet be PM soon enough “

      7. The election will be won and lost in NSW and Queensland.This one is mainly true,
      ” Yep, NSW a little and those Mexicans did let my legs call down “

      8. The NBN is a vote-winner. Broadband was the stand-out policy area.
      ”  Labor played it for all they could but do we know just how much has been thought of their claims “
      Interestingly a look at http://www.nbnco.com.au/ will see fibre to just 93% indicated and a lot re what service people will get being left to others! the RSPs so do we really know what we’ll get and what it’ll cost?

      How about some investigative journalism into what the network will be and what will the household costs be re connection and what the RSPs will provide!
      It all still looks just a bit vague.

      9. Wyatt Roy was too young to be taken seriously.  Good on him. Showed “just about everybody”, didn’t he?
      ” Yep and he still isn’t claiming victory “

      10. It’s the economy, stupid. This is a political maxim of sorts, .....The argument is economic vision and strategy are the critical determinants in who wins an election. I’d suggest there were other factors at work in this campaign, particularly in Queensland where the Rudd factor worked heavily against the Labor party.
      ”  Agreed and Queenslanders also do not like the idea of their fishing being even further restricted “

      Going to be interesting just what might happen and will Gillard be attempting to get an early writ from the MIL of one of her cronies just for the hell of it?
      Would that show too much GG bias!
      We’ve been in caretaker mode for five weeks and so another week or so is not going to be of any great impact.

    • Moggy says:

      01:01pm | 23/08/10

      The fact that the Governor General is Bill Shortens mother-in -law is something that was not widely broadcast. I only found out about this yesterday & I am a follower of media critique on politics.  How was this allowed to happen? Having to decide which parrty to hand the treasury to will put an enormous burden on the GG if there is a truly hung parliament at the end of the count.  IF she hands the chalice to Labor there will be an outcry that will equal the French revolution. And if she hands it to the Libs her family will stop speaking to her.

    • Ribald Gadfly says:

      02:04pm | 23/08/10

      Moggy - Bill Shorten became her son in law after she became GG.
      Even though I’m from the Liberal (big L) side of politics, I don’t see a problem here.

    • Bobster says:

      02:49pm | 23/08/10

      @ Moggy and Ribald,

      I don’t think Bryce has a conflict on interest but it could be seen as such. With things on such a knife edge it wouldn’t be a bad idea to stand aside just so the question can never be asked. We’ve got enough legitimacy problems as it is and if this becomes a constitutional issue then it wouldn’t hurt for her to stand aside.

      Maybe we can make Katter GG and hold a by-election in Kennedy to give a clearer indication of who should govern?

    • Michael says:

      05:06pm | 23/08/10

      Notations that Quentin Bryce is Bill Shorten’s *mother in law* seem to destroy the notion that she’d favour Labor almost by direct reference!

      Although if we’re going down this rather silly line of thought, shall we reopen the old chestnut that Kerr was described as the CIA’s “man” in Australia, and that his reason for chucking Whitlam was because Whitlam had wanted to divorce the Australian intelligence bases from the US?

      Really, people - sit down and have a careful think about all these silly theories.  The Governor-General is basically a public servant, complete with her own manual of instructions, being the Constitution, and her own policy document, called “Parliamentary convention”.  By convention she has to act on the PM’s advice (save some exceptional circumstances) and if anyone’s going to play her role dead straight down the line, it’ll be Bryce *because* there are these silly theories going around.  Don’t any of you remember how government departments work in practice?

    • Roja says:

      05:05pm | 24/08/10

      The GG doesn’t decide, she merely represents our Head of State’s interests - you do remember our beloved leader is the Queen don’t you?

    • Adam Diver says:

      08:28am | 23/08/10

      Colgo, you were punished on your wyatt roy quip in the last post. I think it shows how out of touch the political analyst and journos are from mainstream australia. Not that they can help it, it is just that a schism has occurred.

      I also think it has revealed some clear bias on the left particularly the childish attacks on Tony Abbott. A look into his past, and his performances and it was obvious that he could grow into a role, but for 9 months we were all guilty for waiting for him to catastrophically implode.

    • iansand says:

      09:52am | 23/08/10

      The Press Gallery is in an incestuous relationship with the pollies - the pollies feed the chookss and the chooks lap up their easy “news”.  Life is so easy that they dare not rock the boat.  Press Gallery membership should be limited to terms of 12 months.  After that there should be compulsory re-exposure to the real world for a year or so before they are allowed back.

      If the independents really wanted to immprove governance in this country they would lobby for a “public figure” defence against defamation actions.

    • Judith Vinn says:

      10:51am | 23/08/10

      The Media kept away from Mr Abbott and no hard questions were put to him. favouritism he definitely was shown, and while ever my bum points to the ground when I’m standing you will not convince me other-wise.

    • Billygus says:

      08:31am | 23/08/10

      I don’t think KRudd’s demise was a big factor in Qld. He had a 10% swing against him in his own seat!! In Qld, the Federal election the LNP fought on State based issues. Says 2 things. 1) Qld Labor has a real problem. 2) Fed LNP has a real problem in Qld.

    • Chris says:

      09:53am | 23/08/10

      It was 4% wasn’t it?

    • Tails says:

      10:26am | 23/08/10

      I thought it was 9.1%

    • Randal says:

      11:06am | 23/08/10

      The swing was 9% on the primary vote and 4% after preferences, there was a 2% swing on the primary to the LNP candidate and 7% swing to the Greens, after preferences this totaled a 4.1% swing to the LNP.

      See clear as mud our preferential system!

    • Joolz says:

      09:01am | 23/08/10

      I knew they would go badly in qld because we are angry. But I couldn’t really say anything about the rest of the country.

      And I didn’t think Australia would elect a woman. Never underestimate the Australian publics misogyny. Me included and I’m a girl.

    • Dwgw says:

      09:23am | 23/08/10

      I cant believe the dumb people in NSW Central Coast. They spent hours stuck in a traffic jam because of the incompetence of a Labor Govt and yet they didn’t punish them. I know its a state issue but the money comes from Federal coffers.
      They were the ones who let NSW down. Those two seats and the Gov would have changed. At least give him a go, he couldn’t be much worse and after all the last three years have gone relatively fast.

    • Wayne Kerr says:

      09:57am | 23/08/10

      Dwgw, I agree with your comment.  I live on the Central Coast and when I went to vote I knew those seats would go to Labor just by looking at the majority of people actually voting i.e long term welfare recipients. Sad but true.

    • Pip.m says:

      10:03am | 23/08/10

      The Gillard/Rudd Government have only had less than three years in Government and the GFC occurred which took up a lot of their time.  If you are blaming them for roads, shouldn’t those roads have been built 12 or 13 years ago with Federal money?  I am well aware that the N.S.W. Government have let the people down and they should go in March at the next election but don’t blame the Gillard Govt for your roads.  There was 12 years of Liberal inaction on infrastructure.  Put the blame where it lies!

    • Super D says:

      10:11am | 23/08/10

      One thing that the Robertson result demonstrated was that getting rid of Belinda Neal was a very astute move.

    • The Scarlet Pimpernel says:

      11:29am | 23/08/10

      Wayne Kerr

      I was thinking the same thing about South Australia. They now have practically no industry, the head office of their last major company (Santos) has, or is about to, move and the entire state is a basket case.

      if it wasn’t for Qld and WA bankrolling their dole payments, most of them would starve to death. No wonder they voted ALP.

      Cannot understand the Vics, though.

    • dsyew says:

      12:15pm | 23/08/10

      you mean, re elect the Libs and have them farm out the road to private industry? then have the road delayed regularly from lax maintenance or the delay actually building it, and pay an ever increasing toll to use said road? something like that? where is your evidence of the Libs ever investing in any meaningful way in infrastructure? do we need to recall the mess Howie made but you somehow look back on with rosy vision because you got a house when the market was good or something equally inane?
      as to the other comment on here about welfare recipients [i know it wasnt yours dw]... all the welfare recipients being as you say ‘long term’ certainly wouldnt have been plugged into education or further training under Howards 4 TERMS or they would by now not be welfare recipients. defunding the hell out of education leads to this sort of problem.
      and who are the welfare recipients voting for anyway? wouldnt they, in your mind and with your stereotyping, love Howard’s baby bonus? hoping for another inane policy gift from abbott?

    • brad says:

      09:32am | 23/08/10

      Your comment:
      Agree with all your comments apart from the NSW and Queensland statement - it was lost in those two states - to say otherwise is untrue

    • Amy says:

      10:13am | 23/08/10

      I agree, as Dwgw said before, if the people of the Central Coast had voted the way we anticipated, we really would have woken up Monday morning with Tony as PM.  Those two seats changed the election.

    • Tails says:

      09:59am | 23/08/10

      I’d just like to know what all those people who said they were going to leave the country if Abbott got in are going to do?

      May I suggest they move to Tassie?

    • Moggy says:

      01:11pm | 23/08/10

      Nahhhh….....make them get a job instead!!

    • Joe Blow says:

      01:55pm | 23/08/10

      I think I saw Richard M, Holly and Rob de Charteris at the airport this morning ...

      A few other notable absences from ‘The Punch’ today ...

      Perhaps for each Labor barnacle that leaves teh country we could accept another immigrant?

    • Old Hack says:

      10:04am | 23/08/10

      Election was won in Queensland more than NSW.  largelay a backlash against the incumbent Labor State Government. The Rudd factor was minimal.  If it was sympathy for kevin why did he have more than a 4 percent swing aginst him.  The LNP ran an almost totatly State-focused campaign.  It was noticeable in Bowman where local Lib member spent a fortune on signs and mailouts that he dropped pictures of Abbott after the first week and campaigned on issues over which the Federal Governement has no control.  he was clever though he simple picked all the hot loacl issues susch as publicc transport, road corridors and koalas and said he ‘sopported” the popular position.  The most significant, and sad result from the ele4ction was the complete death of unbiase, informative reporting and the rise and rise of the US-style sloganeer.  As a former journalist of more than 40 years experience, I suggest we have a minute’s silence for the death of informed reporting and the rise of the cult of personality.  Even the old stagers such as oakes thought their opinion was reporting.  But what’s really scary is that someone like Bob katter could hold the fate of the nation in his hands.  As they say . . . interesting times.

    • TheRealDave says:

      03:36pm | 23/08/10

      Here here Old Hack!

      As a fellow Queenslander I wholeheartedly agree. Labor copped a pasting in Qld due to local State Qld issues.I wouldn’t be surprised if NSW - especially in Sydernee, was the same.

      For once, years of incompetence and downright imbecile state oppositions has played into the federal Libs hands smile If the State LNP parties in both states were any good they would have been in office years ago - they aren’t so we are stuck with Labor governments.

      I think if anything the big thing to come out of this Federal election is that the average punter can’t tell the difference between State issues/politics and Federal issues/politics.

    • Alexander says:

      10:15am | 23/08/10

      Labor lost the election.  Liberal did not win the election.  Neither party showed any real Leadership or Vision during the campaign.  It was an almost entirely vanilla experience of un-enlightened selfishness. 
      Without a good spectacular distraction it was very easy to remember how many times both sides of the political divide have simply lied to all of us and then told us later it is our fault we didn’t understand their promises were worthless.
      One of the big points of difference, the NBN, Labor could not market because it comes packaged with the monumentally stupid Great Firewall of Oz.
      Personally I blame Labor’s moral bankruptcy on the issue of refugees for much of this damage.  It set the tone for the whole campaign to be a game of “Spot the Difference”.

    • frank robb says:

      10:38am | 23/08/10

      “Julia has nothing to worry about, she’ll win, in fact I predict by a landslide”

      Made by a looney laborite talkback caller to 3AW on Friday

    • judith Vinn says:

      11:08am | 23/08/10

      I used to live at Chittaway Point on the Central Coast and I take offence to saying they are mostly welfare people, you snob DWGW,. The free-way gets packed because of the hoard of people that moved up from Sydney. Governments can only build so many roads, land is scarce or haven;t you noticed.Every home now-a-days has three cars, dads, mums,and at least one of their kids, no amount of roads can cope with that. Regards the traffic jam on the free-way that time was caused because some idiot bought the wrong crane in the first place (people like you and me) and also one didn’t have the right tools, Governments fault, I think not, Wake Up you snob

    • Just Sayin' says:

      12:59pm | 23/08/10

      Land is scarce in one of the least densely populated countries on earth?  Sounds like pretty strong evidence of poor planning and poor government policy to me.

    • TheRealDave says:

      04:43pm | 23/08/10

      Sounds to me like governments - of all favours - let Developers run amok for the last 20 years putting housing estates in everywhere and never built any infrastructure to support them. Something we should have been doing all along when we had that huge surplus they like to crow about. But they didn’t and thats why things have gone to poo.

    • fehowarth says:

      11:29am | 23/08/10

      The jams were there under the coalitions.  So were the run down schools which now have been upgraded.

    • SkepDad says:

      11:57am | 23/08/10

      I’d like to add a furphy that was obviously taken to heart and acted on by the candidates themselves:

      “The public are stupid enough to be manipulated by fear and smear”.  Can we put that one to bed once and for all?

      Colgo on the social media thing, I do think it was influential but not directly.  The unwashed masses and the pollies don’t rate twitter and blogs, but they read the paper; and journos do trawl social media for stories and opinions.

      Nowhere was that more evident than the anti-filter campaign, which started as grassroots opposition, with ideas and soundbites refined and shared online; and was eventually picked up by journos, forcing both sides to take public positions.  Mainstream opposers (e.g. Ludlam and EFA) were very involved in the online debate.

      Not an election-swaying issue by any means, but the twits do have a certain indirect influence.  Not to mention that the #ausvotes tag was the best way to stay abreast of all the various wonks on election eve (unless you have six tellies)!

    • Peter says:

      12:04pm | 23/08/10

      I’ve analysed this election and I think KARMA won the day. The major parties told us before the election that “they” elect PM’s and we just vote for which party we want..

      Well, that process of electing PM’s has been taken out of their hands and has been given to 3 Independants and 1 Greens..

      Now Bill Shorten and co. you tell us again who elects PM’s? Karma beautiful Karma. You can’t beat it…

    • 6c legs says:

      12:05pm | 23/08/10

      gunna be a heck of a bonfire this Guyfawkes night in Bass - when the libs burn all those thousands of Steve Titmus signs, and perhaps stevie himself. lol (pity they won’t toss erica betz onto it with him… )

      I’ve got to munch down, coz i didn’t give the locals enough cred.  I thought that they’d just do the usual and vote for the ‘guy with the most posters’ - as used to happen pre-pulp mill - the pulp mill and all that’s gone on with it has taught even the most apathetic politically minded in Bass to pay attention to who they vote for! (not that GL is “anti” but the local punters want genuine, not slick, and Titmus is so slick he’s slippery)

      Congrats to Geoff Lyons.

      (BTW I worked on the opposition campaign.)

    • Dave says:

      12:34pm | 23/08/10

      When not to predict against a once-in-a-lifetime event:

      “Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but we won’t get a hung parliament on August 21”.
      Mumble Blog
      The Australian
      13 August 2010

    • Darin says:

      02:03pm | 23/08/10

      I was going to add poor Mumble to the list. For someone keen on pointing out how others had masquarade irrational opinions and rear-view analysis as universal rules in politics, he clung strongly to the idea that there was no realistic possibility of a hung parliament.

    • Drew(Darlinghurst) says:

      01:17pm | 23/08/10

      Before the election Tony Abbott was a Crazy Catholic

      After the election Tony Abbott is a Crazy Catholic

      How any member of the Liberal Party could campaign for a Roman Catholic is beyond comprehension .......all those Lib’s from the 50’s and 60’s would be rolling in their Grave.

      Gillard Minority Govt ...here we come !!!

    • Peter says:

      01:34pm | 23/08/10

      Drew, i wouldn’t underestimate the negative impact on Gillard and her athiesism. It was certainly an issue for some people i knew…

    • Macon Paine says:

      01:53pm | 23/08/10

      Drew most people simply dont care about a persons religion, most people I would hope aren’t that bigoted. A lot of catholics would have voted for atheist Gillard as well remember.
      I think a Gillard minority govt is on the cards but it will be so dysfunctional we’ll be back to the polls within 12 months.

    • James says:

      01:22pm | 23/08/10

      Where’s Brian?

    • Nicole says:

      01:37pm | 23/08/10

      Eating his humble pie !

    • Joe Blow says:

      01:58pm | 23/08/10

      God doesn’t like atheists ......

    • James1 says:

      02:21pm | 26/08/10

      I’m pretty sure that feeling is mutual.

    • Alan Pevie says:

      02:04pm | 23/08/10

      Last time I voted Labor with Rudd. This time I voted Liberal with Abbott. Suppose Gillard wins Government. How many of her promises do you think she will deliver? Will her Government have sufficient funds to pay for another
      World Financial Crisis ? Can she stop the boats ? Can she pay for anything.
      Alan From Rostrevor SA

    • Stewart Henstock says:

      03:21pm | 23/08/10

      The “boat people” and the swing against Labor in the Penrith by election will pave the way for a massive swing in NSW against Labor.
      As i see Labor won Lindsay and i’m still stuck on the M4,however i’m using my time to locate the invading boat people… haven’t seen any..but eh.

    • Tripper Smurf says:

      04:13pm | 23/08/10

      I know a lot of people voted against Gillard cause of what happened to Rudd in QLD…  I was one of them, however if there was another election I reckon some of these people would think again after seeing that Abbott could nearly get in.  They didnt call him the Mad Monk for no reason whatsoever now did they?

    • Steven says:

      04:20pm | 23/08/10

      This result shows the lack of intelligence of Queenslanders and those from NSW who cannot distinguish State politics from Federal politics

    • marley says:

      05:15pm | 23/08/10

      Hmm.  You can understand their confusion.  After all, it was the NSW faction backroom which was largely responsible for rolling Rudd, and then there was the federal ALP promise to intervene in state matters by backing the western Sydney rail project.  Maybe the lack of intelligence and inability to distinguish State from Federal politics lies within the ALP and not the poor voter.

    • Stewart Henstock says:

      05:46pm | 23/08/10

      Actually it shows your lack of intelligence because the 2 are the same.
      State and Federal Labor are run by the same factions.

    • Drew(Darlinghurst) says:

      04:25pm | 23/08/10

      A Minority Abbott Govt is NOT WORKABLE. As The Greens in July( when the new senators enter parliament) will have 9 SENATORS taking the balance of power.

      No Liberal Minority Govt could work with a Green Senate.

      BUT

      A Minority ALP Govt Could due to similar ideological stance.

      If….the 3 Conservative Independents support Abbott….we will be back at the polls VERY VERY SOON.

      For a CHANCE at Stability I’m supporting an Gillard Labor Minority Govt.

      OK…..thats my 2 cents worth.

    • nosthow says:

      04:42pm | 23/08/10

      Well said Colgo ! I tipped Labor and gave the Lib cheer squad heaps ! Poor little buggers came in hook line and sinker. the Australian people have thumbed their nose up at both parties Liberal and Labor. Democracy was the real winner on Saturday - we said to both parties we are giving you both a C minus and a notation of “Can do much better !”

    • Stewart Henstock says:

      05:48pm | 23/08/10

      There was a swing to the coalition…you’re an idiot.

    • Fred says:

      05:20pm | 23/08/10

      Green VOTES were substantially up in urban Brisbane - protest vote for sure, but about what exactly? In Brisbane and Ryan ( 21% and 19% respectively)  the Coalition"s deceitful “Stop the Boats” mantra and letter drop insulted a well educated, travelled and tolerant cohort whose members know the law, have an eye on Australia’s international reputation and understand the facts - the relatively insignificant number of asylum seekers coming by boat rather than by plane. They comprehend why Tamils and Hazara are fleeing persecution and sympathise with them in the fairminded way we think is a national value.

      Our governments since the Tampa election in 2001 have betrayed and shamed us all by not educating the ignorant, the bigots, the xenophobics, and not only in western Sydney, who are the toxic tail which wagged the dog in this election. The Coalition again exploited them,  and Labor was unprincipled in not protecting the vulnerable just like last time. Only the Greens challenged Hanson/Howard policies.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      06:27pm | 23/08/10

      Humble pie is a real food. ....t the original dish was something like shepherd’s pie, only made with animal entrails rather than meat

      Unlike most these days which are cows hooves, dicks and lips.

    • cityboy @ Sydney says:

      10:56am | 24/08/10

      The biggest furphy was Abbott claiming it would take “generations” to pay of the national debt (a mere 6% of GDP).  Labor said from the beginning it would take just 3 years, as it probably will, but didn’t hammer this point hard enough! Why?... well of course that’s another story…........

    • tony reynolds says:

      04:27pm | 24/08/10

      rudd swan and gillard saved us from ‘recession ’ !!!!! life is wonderful for us all !!!! this is the biggest load of [ bulls….t ] spin i have ever heard . recession is defined as 2 quarters of negative growth , dec 08 neg, but the march quarter saved us all [and them ] by showing a .4 % [piddling]  increase . thank god all those people in small business around australia have been saved, and now they can take comfort in the fact that they’re arent really struggling to make a living or attempting pay off the overdraft [usually secured against their family homes] and pay staff wages before they recieve a cent themselves that with the increase in staff super going to 12% life for them under a gillard socialist gov. is going to make life so much better !!!

    • FUTURE OF AUSTRALIA! says:

      10:46am | 27/08/10

      Sick of people going on and on about Tony Abbott and abortion well ateleast he is consistent not like Ms Gillard who so varied her position on late term abortion to the womens Weekly for political expediency!  Gillard was not consistent in the WW, as to her firmly entrenched Emilys list beliefs that abotion should be on demand till the moment of birth!
      yes its alright for Gillard to be all for choice so long as its her own choice and her view that she is so imposing on others
      well she imposed her view formed a view to remove Krudd
      so its time the public wake up!
      why should a group of dominating man axing left leaning women like Gillard Roxon amd Wong run the show
      the unborn are our future!
      Gillards mother was so very obvioulsy pro life about Gillard and now we have to put up with Gillard as PM well hopefully not for too much longer
      This election was not about womens rights its about the future of 22 milion Australians and Gillard is but one of those.
      So independents hope you can see that for the future of Australia that we need a pro life PM that is Abbott and not an anti life one that is Gillard!

 

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