It took just hours for the media to finger the villain responsible for the shooting of US Democratic congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.

The now-infamous crosshairs image

It was Sarah Palin what done it, officer. And other Right-wingers just like that witch.

Such is the deranged hatred that so many on the Left feel for the former Republican vice-presidential candidate.

The New York Times was one of the first to smear her, even before the alleged shooter of Ms Giffords and the murderer of six bystanders had been publicly identified as 22-year-old Jared Loughner.

It implicated Ms Palin because nine months ago she’d posted a ``controversial’’ map on her Facebook page showing where Democrats were running for re-election.

Gasp: ``Those Democrats were noted by crosshairs symbols like those seen through the scope of a gun. Ms Giffords was among those on Ms Palin’s map.’‘

Well, case closed.

And so Markos Moulitsas, founder of the influential Left-wing DailyKos website, tweeted, ``Mission accomplished, Sarah Palin.’‘

Jane Fonda likewise insisted Ms Palin ``holds responsibility’‘, as did ``the violence-provoking rhetoric of the Tea Party’’ movement she’d encouraged - a movement that’s just a grassroots protest by middle-class Americans against big government and record deficits.

Nobel laureate Paul Krugman also used his newspaper column to smear Ms Palin, saying Ms Giffords ``might be a target’’  because she was ``a Democrat who survived’’ an election challenge from ``a Tea Party activist’‘, and ``was on Sarah Palin’s infamous `crosshairs’ list’‘.

Fellow Leftists in the Australian media gobbled the bait, hailing Ms Giffords as a martyr to Ms Palin and the Right.

Here is the ABC’s Jane Cowan on AM: ``Political candidates, especially those aligned with the grassroots Tea Party movement, have increasingly invoked violent imagery. A campaign website by ...  Palin put gun targets across several congressional districts including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords’ and urged voters to `reload’.’‘

The hunger to blame Ms Palin and her political kind is palpable and no evidence is needed to proclaim her guilt.

As Michael Tomasky of Britain’s Left-wing Guardian exulted, the shooter ``went to considerable expense and trouble to shoot a high-profile Democrat, at point-blank range right through the brain. What else does one need to know?’‘

That was sufficient ``to see some kind of connection between [Right wing] violent rhetoric and what happened in Arizona on Saturday’‘.

But there’s a few things wrong with this narrative. It’s false, it’s foul, and it’s savagely hypocritical.

For a start, there’s zero evidence that Mr Loughner, the alleged shooter, is a Palin supporter or took any notice of what she said about Giffords or anyone else.

On his MySpace and YouTube pages he never mentions Palin or health care, the issue on which she attacked Giffords.

Both sites suggest he’s simply deranged, raving about bad grammar, thought control, ``conscience dreaming’’ and a ``third currency’‘.

A typical post on MySpace on December 30 gives the temperature of his mind: ``With every day on torture, the hours are my painful isolation; these dreams, which are realistic, vehemence feelings of greatness finally!’’ 

Just add a gun to that explosive mixture of megalomania and angry failure and ... boom.

Still, if you think it worth trying to detect a political orientation in Mr Loughner’s shattered thoughts, you’d have to conclude it’s sure not Ms Palin’s.

He was not a Christian, and his favourite film clip is of an American flag being burned. He denounced the US Constitution as full of ``treasonous laws’‘.

Simon Mann, of The Age and Sydney Morning Herald, led his report on Monday by implying Mr Loughner was a neo-Nazi, noting his victim was Jewish and he’d listed Mein Kampf on his YouTube page as one of his ``favourite books’‘.

What Mr Mann failed to add is that Mr Loughner also loved A Communist Manifesto.

Another problem for the blame-Palin brigade is that Mr Loughner’s hatred of Ms Giffords seems to pre-date Ms Palin’s rise to fame.

Caitie Parker went to school with Mr Loughner, and played in the same band with this ``loner’’ she describes as ``Left-wing, quite liberal’‘.

She claims: ``He was a political radical and met Giffords once before in 07, asked her a question and he told me she was stupid and unintelligent.’‘

So Ms Giffords was shot by a madman with Left-wing notions who disliked her long before Ms Palin hit the scene. Yet Ms Palin is to blame?

Still, are her critics right to deplore the violent rhetoric of political debate in the US today?

Perhaps, although we should be clear there’s no proof this rhetoric affected the deranged Mr Loughner, who is far more likely to have been influenced by violent movies and violent music.

We should also accept that politics is properly a contest of ideas and has long invited the language of war by all sides, which is why I have on my blog not just Palin’s ``crosshair’’ graphic but examples of similar Democratic Party maps with bulls-eyes over Republican candidates.

But does this alleged culture of trash-talk really date from Palin’s rise, and who are the worst offenders?

In fact, no president has been more vilified than the Republican George W. Bush, who was even shown being assassinated in one gloating film.

And guess which president said this: ``If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun’‘?

Whoops, that was Barack Obama - and which of Palin’s critics objected?

Ms Palin herself seems more sinned against than sinning. The kind of commentators now accusing her of a nasty tone are the kind who falsely accused her of calling President Obama ``Sambo’‘, and of only pretending to be the mother of her disabled son to cover for her eldest daughter.

They sat by when TV host David Letterman joked that Palin’s 14-year-old daughter was ``knocked up’’ by a baseballer during a game. They said nothing when Leftist comedian Sandra Bernhard warned Ms Palin she’d be ``gang-raped by my big black brothers’’ if she entered Manhattan.

Now these people demanding a more civilised discourse accuse Ms Palin of inspiring a murder, when all the evidence suggests she’s guiltless.

So Ms Palin’s accusers lie, and so foully that they commit the very hate speech they piously claim to deplore.

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    • Eric says:

      05:00am | 12/01/11

      Now watch the lefty commenters smearing Andrew Bolt with their hatred ...

    • KH says:

      06:46am | 12/01/11

      Well, he will spill this kind if crap out in public - what else should he expect?

    • Tracey Conlan says:

      08:36am | 12/01/11

      Perhaps it might be nice for Bolt to show concern for those killed rather than Palin

    • RT says:

      08:54am | 12/01/11

      No hatred. When Bolt comes to Punch, I just don’t read. I thought I’d read the comments, but got no further than your (predictably) first comment.

    • Ryan says:

      08:57am | 12/01/11

      @Tracey Conlan: you mean like those left wing columnists did within hours pointing the finger at Palin? The word “hypocrite” springs to mind, but then again I remind myself that that is the basis of the left mantra.

    • acotrel says:

      09:06am | 12/01/11

      ‘But does this alleged culture of trash-talk really date from Palin’s rise, and who are the worst offenders? ‘

      Who cares? It seems that both sides of American politics were playing the same game.  Just as Julia Gillard plays Tony Abbott’s game!  If politiciands generate enough hate, the sort of thing that happened Tucson will happen, when the loonies get going! Sarah Palin must take her share of the blame!

    • Bri says:

      09:26am | 12/01/11

      @ Tracey Conlan
      Exactly, but right-wing bigots generally only show concern when their own ideology is attacked. They care nothing about the loss of human life.

    • Sherekahn says:

      09:39am | 12/01/11

      Really Eric, you don’t usually describe valid comment as “hatred.”
      Andrew Bolt and half of America will try to muffle the reality that Sarah Palin is an hysterical clown of American Politics whose map with gun-sights accompanied by unscrupulous comments was in some part responsible for the tragedy of the shooting.
      Perhaps Andrew Bolt is not bright enough to realise that America can, and has previously, manipulated events to show ‘black as white’ in its affairs.
      Julian Assange has a more realistic view of the capabilities of the USA and its forces of evil.
      You may remember Hilary Clinton ‘skated very near the verge’ when she was hoping to get chosen as the Democratic Candidate for the Presidency.

    • Sal says:

      10:01am | 12/01/11

      @ Eric, how early to you have to get up every morning to ensure you can be first with your same-old comments, every day?

    • Hamish says:

      10:07am | 12/01/11

      Sherekahn, you say ‘was in some part responsible for the tragedy of the shooting’. I assume you have evidence of this?

      You don’t? What a surprise.

      There is, of course, plenty of evidence the gun sights motif had nothing to do with the shooting. But hey, why let the facts get in the way of an opportunity to denigrate a strong, conservative female leader? What is the deal with lefties and their hysterical crusades against right-wing women anyway?

    • jf says:

      11:08am | 12/01/11

      KH says: 06:46am | 12/01/11
      Well, he will spill this kind if crap out in public - what else should he expect?

      Exactly which kind of crap is that KH? I am no fan of Palin. As a conservative myself, I abhor that sensible, moderate, liberal, open-minded, pragmatic approach to politics is tainted by her extremism. However, Bolt’s article is accurate. Alternatively, how about a rebuttal rather than “nyah, nyah, you’re a Nazi”.

    • Reg says:

      11:18am | 12/01/11

      @Hamish, auto-suggestion doesn’t provide facts but that doesn’t reduce it effectiveness. This is NOT a court of law, nor does the US work to our laws. Guns are king in the US and every second person has a license to carry.

      While I’m here, would you please provide the “clear evidence that the gun sights motif had NOTHING to do with the shooting”?

    • ann j says:

      11:25am | 12/01/11

      RT shame you didnt read it coz time will tell that Loughner history is of the left wing

    • ann j says:

      11:29am | 12/01/11

      yes Bri like the right is now responsible for north korea or burma i dont see many left “bigots” screaming about murder and torture in those countries in fact the radical left supports these regimes. so give a break

    • Hamish says:

      11:52am | 12/01/11

      Alright Reg. There is no evidence this guy ever saw the motif. He has never mentioned it. He has never mentioned Palin or the Tea Party. He had already had run-ins with Giffords as well as other local authorities before the mid-terms (in fact as early as ‘07). For someone supposedly with political motives, this guy killed everyone except the suspected assassination target, including a nine year old girl. He had a history of mental illness and was known to authorities.

      The most logical conclusion, this guy is just crazy.

      If you’d like to continue to blame Palin, fine. It’s a free country. Just realise the belief is based on exactly the same bigotry you would accuse Palin of.

    • Reg says:

      01:02pm | 12/01/11

      Just as I thought, all supposition with not a bit of hard evidence. Same as you accused others of not having. One rule for Hamish and different for everyone else eh. <rhetorical>

    • TimB says:

      01:14pm | 12/01/11

      Reg you do understand the failure of logic behind your demand to ‘prove a negative’ as it were?

    • Hamish says:

      01:25pm | 12/01/11

      Reg, some supposition, some hard evidence. Far more than you’ve brought to the table. You believing Palin must be to blame is based on no evidence and not even any supposition. It’s clearly an article of faith for you which makes it very hard to debate the issue with you.

    • Bobster says:

      01:55pm | 12/01/11

      Just build him a church and get on with it, Eric. Enough timewasting.

    • Reg says:

      03:31pm | 12/01/11

      Hamish I have never said anyone was to blame, how could I without knowing the facts? So please stop making assumptions that are as wrong as your logic. All I have supported is the contention that several right-wing entities from Palin to Fox have worked energetically to create violent confrontation in the US community. Don’t bother putting up the school-yard argument, “they did it, why can’t I?” and treat the situation on its own merits The facts in this case that are quite clear is that there has been a strong right-wing movement openly conspiring to bring violence to the US community.  Deny it if you can.

    • Joel B1 says:

      05:25pm | 12/01/11

      WHAT!  Having spent too much time on ABC sites (and Crikey *spit*) I’m shocked to see that Bolt doesn’t have devils horns sticking out his head!

      Is that like TV adds 10lbs but loses devil horns?

    • Andrew says:

      12:15am | 13/01/11

      Why do people persist with the asinine labeling of everybody and everything as either ‘left’ or ‘right’?!  How can anybody hope to summarise the vast number of issues and opinions of politics with such a simplistic scale?  And even worse, why do people then feel the need to jump to the defense of ‘their’ candidates and whatever they do?  Well, the answer is simple - human nature makes people very reluctant to admit they are, or ever were, wrong.  And so if you voted a certain way, then that IS the best party, and nothing they do could EVER be wrong!

      But this entire line of thought is wrong.  There are hundreds of issues in politics, and I probably split them half and half with the major parties (well, more like 20/20, since both are downright stupid most of the time).  On social policies I’m quite ‘left of centre’, because I believe in personal freedoms and progressive thinking.  However financially, I’m fairly conservative, and like a government that can balance it’s books.  I also don’t like the welfare state, and high taxes.  Ultimately, I’m forced into a situation of voting for a party or candidate that (at most) agrees with me on maybe half of the important issues facing this country, and that annoys me.  Presently, the Labor party is doing it’s best to lose my vote, by continuing it’s financial irresponsibility (when I had such HIGH hopes for Rudd, the ‘financial conservative’) shown over it’s entire history, while at the same time actively working AGAINST socially liberal policies (internet filter, anybody?).  The liberals, on the other hand, elected Tony “bible-bashing” Abbot as leader, a man whose personal views are so off the map that I couldn’t bear the thought of him representing our country.  So it’s lose-lose for me.

      In America, the situation is even worse, to the point that people actually REGISTER as belonging to one party or the other.  And then agree with EVERY SINGLE POLICY that party puts forward, no matter how ridiculous or against their own interests.  But I doubt Mr Loughner was really in this category.  He seemed politically ignorant, and to call him ‘left-leaning’ is probably tantamount to calling him ‘young’.  Did he prefer Palin to Obama?  Who knows.  Maybe he had a secret crush on her, and ached to do her bidding.  More likely he hated all elected officials equally, and in his delusion thought that they all needed to die.

      No, I don’t think Palin was to blame for this event.  However the ridiculous nature of US politics in general, yes, quite possibly.  But of course Sarah Palin is a very stupid, dangerous woman for so many other reasons..

    • Who is Eric? says:

      04:23pm | 13/01/11

      Eric, do you have a life?  Or a job?  You seem to be the first person to respond to every piece on this website.  Are you paid by someone to make obviously biased comments?  Are you Rupert Murdoch, or the former Special Minister of State?

    • Reg says:

      04:51pm | 13/01/11

      The person whose name I may not mention is the Judas Goat.  You know, the one who beckons all his brethren to follow him to the slaughter but steps aside at the last minute leaving them to their fate.

      However on more serious things, Andrew, a very thoughtful letter, I just have a couple of points. First the idealism of newly elected government is always foreshortened by the realization that -compromise- is the name of the game. We out here have little idea of how limiting that can be unless it gets so acute that it is obvious the government is stacking the books in their own favour. The other point is social services. We may disagree with the allocation to unemployment and the rest, but it may be money well spent if it reduces crime, keeping the courts free and the jails empty.
      If you see that as black-mail, then unfortunately that is the price of freedom in a Democratic society that believes that the quality of the community is a measure of our success or failure. 

      In the US it is the Democratic Party that tries to lift the quality of society, while in the ever Republican Florida and Texas, they strive mightily to improve society by executing people and their jails are still full.

    • Chris Ford says:

      10:17pm | 13/01/11

      Eric - He’s a devout, extreme-right wing idiot, who’s idea of somebody that is “centre left” is Putin and Tito.

      Nobody smears A-Bolt - he kicks himself in the head time and time again.

      Palin and co-conspirators are wound-up tightly on their hate politics - they love it.  You, I, and he doesn’t live there to see all the sniping that goes on.

      He can’t even say a kind or thoughtful word for all those who DIED!

      The man is an idiot - I wouldn’t give him a job polishing my shoes..  If I did, only the right one would be good enough to wear.

    • Tracker says:

      10:47pm | 13/01/11

      I wonder if anyone shops at Target ? If so do you realise you could be implicated in any shooting within at least a 4,000 mile radius ?... according to Democrat reasoning. Makes about as much sense as crosshairs on a map.

    • Radagast says:

      06:33am | 14/01/11

      Shouldn’t it be titled: “Deranged Right are never wrong” It seems to me that no matter how bad it is, it is always justified because the political right see themselves as doing the work of God. When are you guys going to wake up and see the nose in front of your face?

    • Fred says:

      07:48am | 14/01/11

      If the jackboot fits, wear it.

    • alex k says:

      09:21am | 14/01/11

      The overwhelming amount of divisive political rhetoric coming out of the US is to blame. Any fight requires at least two parties and one of those parties has to start the fight. Mr Bolt seems to ignore this point.

      Fox News, Glen Beck, the Tea Party and Neo Cons have all been fanning the fire.

      Free speech is being subverted buy the ignorance and arrogance of the right’s “win at any cost” mentality.

      Poorly educated Americans are being barraged with “mis-truths” by the extreme right in an effort to win votes.

      I have been educated enough to know when to turn off the TV, many Americans haven’t.

    • Robb says:

      05:45pm | 14/01/11

      Palin also wrote in the article in question that her followers “should not retreat, but reload and fight”.  I think that certainly adds to the theme created by the cross hairs on the map.  I really think you would be more at home back in South Africa, Andrew.

    • Reg says:

      07:08am | 15/01/11

      How interesting you should say that Robb. I listened to Mr Bolt for the first time yesterday and he has a speech impediment that made me wonder if it was a fumbled attempt to remove a South African accent.  I’ve no idea about his background but the coincidence is rather startling.

    • Pelu says:

      07:40am | 15/01/11

      Eric mate, I am a leftist. Not one of those that Andrew loves to hate. And I don’t hate Andrew. In fact, I appreciate having Andrew around for those days I am down and I need a good laugh. Those days I open up Andrew’s page and -invariably- I have a good laugh and my day changes. Thanks Andrew, keep up the good work! Is too hard to try to find shorts of “The Three Stooges” so Andrew fills that void for me. Cheers.

    • Mark says:

      08:51am | 15/01/11

      Have you ever actually watched ‘Fox News’? ....although it hurts me to use those two words together ....there must be some sort false advertising law that should prevent them from calling it that…

    • doug z says:

      08:19am | 16/01/11

      @Reg, would you please provide the clear evidence that there are no fairies in my garden?  All I can do is say that there is no evidence that there are fairies in my garden.
      This is my first time on this blog and what strikes my most is that it is impossible to have a rational discussion with the hard left.  When people are incapable or logical or rational discourse, what else ARE they capable of?

    • Robert Gregg says:

      11:15pm | 16/01/11

      I had a dream , in it Glen Beck , Andrew Bolt and Sarah Palin were the leaders of the new free world where only the rich could vote , only white people could have wealth , and anyone who disagreed with their mantra would be forced to watch Fox News which only carried positive stories about them and reinforced the negative message about those there folks who were poor or coloured who’s only purpose was to make the rich conservatives richer ..... oh I had a dream or was it a nightmare.

    • TChong says:

      05:10am | 12/01/11

      Dearanged Left , is it Andy?
      More like the hate filled lunatic right with its message of hate to any and everything that opposses the the conservative sociopaths mantra of self, self and self, backed up with the real or implied lethal force of firearms.
      Not all conservatives ( like most Punchers) are overcompensating gun loons, but how many gun lovin misantropes are there who dont identify themselves with Right ideologies. ?
      No connection at all Andy?

    • AnthonyG says:

      07:39am | 12/01/11

      Don’t worry Andrew, we put up with this type of dribble every day. We all have to put up with useless corrupt governments because these dills do not make governments accountable.

    • Ryan says:

      08:43am | 12/01/11

      Hey Chongy, how about this, his friends describe him as a rabid lefty, just like you.. here is an even more interesting thing, how about this for a conspiracy theory.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPTYuVsFKgs
      yesterday I did in fact notice that giffords youtube page was subscribed to the shooters.
      Today this has been removed.

    • Mike T says:

      09:20am | 12/01/11

      I Despise political violence, but messages of hate and political violence are MUCH more common from the lunatic left. So if you want to make this a left vs right argument i think the most would agree that the “shoe throwers” win the violence argument hands down.

    • Peter says:

      08:08am | 14/01/11

      @ Mike T, i’d rather throw a shoe than drop a few bombs here and there. For violence, the right don’t fall that far behind..

    • MrMac says:

      05:14am | 12/01/11

      Wow.  A Rant-for-Palin!

      Hate speech and manifestations of it - like cross-hair symbols - are what people are generally commenting on, Andrew: only fanatics like you take it 2-3 steps further.

      Loughner seemed deranged and psychotic in the short clips of his.

      Crime perpetrators belief system are irrelevant, whether they are individuals like Loughner or leaders of ‘a Reich’.

      Andrew, were the hairs on the back of your neck also cross(ed) when you wrote that?

    • Steve_of_Cornubia says:

      09:30am | 12/01/11

      Wow, talk about missing the point. You couldn’t - or wouldn’t - see it?

    • MrMac says:

      11:51am | 12/01/11

      I got the main point, Steve, I just commented on a couple of others

    • Sir Ronald Bradnam says:

      05:46am | 12/01/11

      you cant blame SP for the shooting agreed, however, would you really want her to be president, I thought not.

    • Ryan says:

      08:39am | 12/01/11

      Anything is better than Obama, and I mean anything!!

    • Sir Ronald Bradnam says:

      11:50am | 12/01/11

      anything but obama and palin and a clinton.

    • Reg says:

      05:35pm | 12/01/11

      Sir Ronald, I am aghast but not surprised that one raised to the garter would find Ryan’s inferred violence acceptable. Perhaps you’re not a real knight of the realm but just another poser. wink By his intimation, Ryan is a very bad person.

    • Ryan says:

      09:02am | 14/01/11

      @Reg: whatever you say Reg, no use arguing with delusion.

    • Heaht says:

      03:30pm | 14/01/11

      is obama really that bad? He repealed don’t ask don’t tell, Awaarded medical benifits to 9/11 victims families, tried to get some universal health care in place all the while guiding america through its worst economic climate since the depression. Is this really what you would call a poor performance?

    • Reg says:

      09:10am | 15/01/11

      @Ryan. Are you now withdrawing your assertion that ANYTHING is better than Obama? Even assassination?    *

            Ryan says:

            08:39am | 12/01/11

            Anything is better than Obama, and I mean anything!!

      You were certainly emphatic enough about it, squandering TWO exclamation marks. I shall hence-forth consider your failure to defend your assertion as a loss for you and your faux-liberal nutters, and a win for sanity.  As displayed by the magnificent though ever humble lefties.

      I repeat, ... you verry bad mon.

    • Faz says:

      06:07am | 12/01/11

      No matter how you employ your straw man tactics, Andrew, two points make you look a fool. One: the ‘no, they’re not meant to be crosshairs’ were pulled down from SP’s website. Two: a mainstream politician in Australia wouldn’t think of using such imagery because of it’s implied violence.

      There may be some commentators who have pointed the finger at their favourite ‘whipping boys (and girls)’, but looking beyond the easy catchphrase and the partisan politics (aka your stock in trade), is a call from all sides to lower the tone of the rhetoric and for Americans to ask themselves some tough questions about guns and violence.

      It’s so hard to imagine that happening though because there are so many people like you in the US who make their money out of biffo.

    • Andrew says:

      03:07pm | 13/01/11

      The trouble for AB here is Faz, this is not his usual site. On the Andrew Bolt World fan club page, those who would criticise him are torn apart by his standing army of acolytes.

      Here in the slightly more real world his arguments are shown to be as deep as a sheet of A4 paper, and the majority of people do not have to take crap from the little Bolters.

      Check out his site. He criticises a lack of dams in QOLD, before the bodies have been found. He complains of the lack of warning for Toowoomba, despite the fact that all the rain fell in less than an hour. In fact the only thing he does not do is praise the current QOLD government for their response to date. Methinks there is a trend starting to occur.

      Right = good

      Left = Bad.

      Cheers

    • doug z says:

      01:59pm | 16/01/11

      “Here in the slightly more real world”

      I fear that you are right that this site does represent the real world.  How very tragic.

    • Michael says:

      10:12pm | 16/01/11

      Andrew, you’ve somewhat proved the point that Bolt makes frequently. If his arguments are so shallow and so easy to deconstruct…..why didn’t you do it - you know, here in the ‘real world’?

      Nothing that you’ve said here actually addresses any of Bolt’s arguments, just raging against his popularity and comments that he’s made which aren’t to your particular taste. Are you just disappointed that Loughner was found to have photographed himself in a red G-string and not robed in a stars and stripes one with the second amendment tattooed on his chest and a GOP membership card tucked down the front?? Or are you upset that Bolt points out that the murderer was a legitimate non-political nut bag and the claims against Palin are moronic at best??

      And just so you know…...in the ‘Andrew Bolt World fan club page’ he actually has praised the QLD government for their response. I’m sure that disappoints you no end.

    • Jimmy says:

      06:11am | 12/01/11

      The best is the ad - pulled very rapidly- which showed a democrat candidate pointing a rifle at point blank range at Palins head. Very quickly glossed over. Or Obama’s numerous comments involving violent rhetoric such as knives, guns etc.Already the spin is on in the largely leftist media to rationalise away their early rush to judgement. Irony is that it is mainly left wing nutters who are responsible for most of the political hatred talk - like this guy who shot these people. This example illustrates the lack of decent journalism on the ABC. Time we ditched a lot of those posturing idiots.

    • Seano says:

      07:47am | 12/01/11

      “The best is the ad - pulled very rapidly- which showed a democrat candidate pointing a rifle at point blank range at Palins head.”

      So the Left self corrected something that was wrong and did it in quick time. What’s your problem.

    • acotrel says:

      09:15am | 12/01/11

      ‘Land of the free, home of the brave’?  Free to bear arms, free to threaten politicians with death?  The yanks need to take a long hard look at themselves! It’s not about the left or right of politics in Australia.  I suggest that if an Australian citizen made the sorts of comments that Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh made, we’d be quickly visited by the AFP!

    • ann j says:

      11:22am | 12/01/11

      no way acotrel thankfully we still have free speech in oz unlike all the countrys in europe who have been led into big brother controlled enclaves by the left of politics. which thankfully are starting to see sense.

      The only problem with america is the avaliabity of guns.

    • Jim says:

      06:22am | 12/01/11

      Get ready to feel the hate from some of our more radical Labor fanboys today Andrew!

    • James1 says:

      09:15am | 12/01/11

      I have no love for Sarah Palin, Jim, and I am far from an ALP fanboy.  The type of anti-intellectualism espoused by the likes of Palin worries me, expecially considering it turns its back on a rich tradition of intellectualism in conservative politics.  There is nothing wrong with being smarter than other people - indeed, it is a sign that you have worked harder, and will go further in life.  This is something that conservative politics used to, and should continue to, cherish.

      On topic though, this event and its aftermath is an indictment of both sides of politics in the US.  On the one hand, we have the left using the actions of a lunatic to smear the right, while on the other we have the right desperately trying to pin this on the left, while calling the left out for its douchebaggery in blaming Palin.  Bolt offers a perfect example in his piece above - where he claims it is “foul” for the left to blame Palin, at the same time as attempting to imply the left owns this, because Loughner likes the Communist Manifesto.  It seems to me that neither side is going to come out of this smelling of roses, and that this will be a good time to occupy the political centre, or at least the regions close to it.  As nearly all of us do in our wonderful country.

    • AdamC says:

      09:36am | 12/01/11

      James1, I think I agree with you that Bolt is trying to have it both ways here. However, I still think, for want of a better wording, the left ‘started it’, so have to wear the backlash at their ghoulish opportunism.

      You are also right about the increasing populism in US politics, especially in the republican party. I wonder if that isn’t because so many big issues nowadays are so complicated. People never used to have to worry about the vagaries of the banking system, for example.

    • James1 says:

      10:22am | 12/01/11

      I agree on populism in the Republicans, but the Democrats have their own version.  I think all that “hope and change” rubbish being spouted during the 2008 elections was the Democrat form of the lowest common denominator politics we are seeing from the Republicans at the moment, just channelled into a different area to appeal to a different crowd.  Put another way, that is the way the Democratic Party reduced these complex issues to neat political soundbites.  Why worry about the vagaries of the banking system and its complexity, when you can just promise some vague change, that apparently gives people hope?  This populism is, I would argue, the main source of the discontent with Obama’s presidency and policymaking so far.

      On your first point, that is the very reason conservatives of all stripes need to stay above this.  The left did indeed start it - almost literally while spent cartridges were hitting the ground in Arizona - but if the conservatives can stay above this blame-laying business, they can score some serious political points (to indulge my Machiavellian streak for a moment) as well as stand on principle, and restore some dignity to conservative politics in the US, so distorted by the Palins and Tea Partiers of that country.

    • papachango says:

      11:59am | 12/01/11

      Bolt only mentioned the Communist Manifesto, to highlight how the ABC and Age omittied this tidbit. Though he can’t resist the line about ‘left-wing notions’, he hasn’t over extebnded like the US lefties, whose case against Palin is incredibly weak and baldly hypocritical.

      All that aside, what would ne nice (but I don’t suppose it’s gonna happen) is if both sides of politics agree to tone down the rhetoric. Not that it will probably do anything to stop nutjobs like Loughner, but it would elevate the debate from some of the childish insults they currently have.

    • yanky says:

      02:24pm | 12/01/11

      My uncle voted Dems and fought in Vietnam, against communism. Get a dictionary, WE defeated communism.
      Sarah Palin has ‘blood on her hands’, like joolia-lolz

    • Vaunted says:

      06:40am | 12/01/11

      You’ve hit the spot, Andrew. The same people who piously deplore hate speech and sheet this whole tragedy back to Palin and ‘right-wing shock jocks’ have no problem with the use of ‘conga line of suck holes’, calling the PM an ‘arseliker’, hoping Bindy Irwin gets laid tonight, and manufacturing subtle terms of abuse like ‘deniers’.  The man was mentally deranged, surely it should be left as that.

    • Nafe says:

      08:42am | 12/01/11

      You on target Vaunted and Andrew.

      One thing i never get is who people can call the “Tea Party” violent. Every clip, video, picture i see of the tea party members are that they are a mixture of White and Black, middle aged to elderly and have never seen violent footage of them. The violence occurs from their anti-fa, communist black-bloc style protesters who try to intimidate and end up causing the riot.

    • katea says:

      06:43am | 12/01/11

      Andrew Bolt - are you after Rebecca Mansour’s job.
      All your talking points defending Snowdrift Snooki come straight fron the Sea of Pee (Conservatives4palin) website.
      How anyone can defend that map in a volitile political arena is amazing.
      No matter if it did or did not influence what happened in Arizona it is just WRONG.
      And Sarah knew it was wrong because within hours of the shooting it was removed from her website.

    • Brad of Bentleigh says:

      06:58am | 12/01/11

      How does that map differ from the one produced by Democrats with bullseyes?

    • katea says:

      08:09am | 12/01/11

      Yes I am disgusted at all these maps.
      They are all wrong.  They are stupid. 
      And I hope our politics in Australia never falls to this level.
      I notice that Mr Bolt has only put up half the image that was on Sarah page.
      It did name names. 
      Then she bragged about its success after the midterms.
      With her high profile she should use it to better the country not make it worse.  Retreating and NOT reloading might help everyone.

    • Freeman says:

      08:56am | 12/01/11

      “How anyone can defend that map in a volitile political arena is amazing”  wow, how hysterical.

      You’ve really missed the point, Katea. the article gives good examples where left wing commentators have unfairly vilified Sarah Palin, even implicating her in the shooting. that’s unfair and unprofessional. You can’t do that even if you don’t agree with someone. let’s have some accuracy from our commentators!

    • n_dude says:

      11:31am | 12/01/11

      Two wrongs do not make a right. The use of violence - left or right - is plain wrong.

      The jist of this article that it is hypocrytical of the left ot blame Palin is correct to an extent. And until the full facts come out we should not jump to any conclusions. However, I think the use of such strong and violent retoric on both sides of American politics needs to be looked at seriously.

    • papachango says:

      12:04pm | 12/01/11

      These maps are (with 20/20 hindsight) possibly a bit over the top, but this sort of language is used in politics and business all the time - people set targets, have aims, talk like a straight shooter, shoot from the hip, or make sure they have plenty of ammunition for a debate. There are wars on drugs, wars on obesity, even ‘crusades’ for social justice reform.

      Will we now see a ban on all firearm and military related expressions, and maybe do baseball ones instead (bases are loaded, hit a home run, three strikes and you’re out). Then what if some nutter attacks a politician with a baseball bat - will then ban baseball analogies?

    • P says:

      07:43am | 14/01/11

      eskimo. those democrat maps were targetting states, not like the palin map that targetted specific candidates.  also, the “target” image used by the democrats was not an image associated with the aiming of a rifle at somebody. if you think the democrat target image is the same then all target stores are inciting violence as well.

    • David LD says:

      06:50am | 12/01/11

      Methinks you doth protest too much.

    • Tom says:

      09:18am | 12/01/11

      Methinketh, the ABC did protest too much. Thanks for pointing it out Andrew.

    • KH says:

      06:56am | 12/01/11

      Sarah Palin is quite possibly the most stupid, ignorant lunatic the USA has ever produced as a politician.  To go around suggesting that the way to deal with people is to shoot them - whether it be democrats, or Julian Assange, for example, is irresponsible to say the very least.  You would have to expect that certain types of mentally ill people will take that to be a license to kill, and in a country which has a consolidated gun death rate of around 30,000 annually and shamefully easy access to weapons, its not hard to make it a reality.  Whether that was the case here or not is debateable, but that doesn’t excuse Palins and her right wing cohorts’  use of these kinds of tactics, which only appeal to the lowest of the low.

    • Vaunted says:

      08:21am | 12/01/11

      Well I’m sure you must be aware KW, of the old psychology truism, that ‘the faults you see in others are your own’. But then maybe you aren’t.

    • PaulB says:

      08:50am | 12/01/11

      No Vaunted, Palin really is that stupid, That you can’t see this after all she’s had to say says lots about your judgement.  The worse part is that she’s being well funded, like Bolt, to manufacture opinion among thicker conservatives.

    • Barry says:

      09:21am | 12/01/11

      Look at the maps above. Surprise, surprise, the democrats did the same.

      Aw shucks KH, you get it so wrong, so often. Is it starting to worry you?

    • papachango says:

      12:56pm | 12/01/11

      Palin didn’t call for Assange’s assassination or for that of anyone else for that matter - though she did make a silly comment about tracking Assange down like the Taliban. It was Mick Huckabee that call for assassination, and he IS a religious nut/lunatic.

      As for Palin, speaking as someome sympathetic to the small-government message of the Tea Party, yes she can come across as a lightweight at times and says stuff that makes me cringe. But if she’s so thick, why do you lefties worry so much about her, surely just give her enough rope and she’ll hang herself (is that ‘violent rhetoric’ now? If so, apologies. I was being metaphorical, nobody start a lynch mob, mmmkay?)

      I wonder sometimes if she’s actually a lot shrewder than we think. That much-mocked comment about being able to see Russia from Alaska was actually correct (Little Diomede Island, AK is 2 km from Big Diomede in Siberia), and in general she plays the lefties like a harp.

      She gets them so worked up and frothing at the mouth that they make absolute idiots of themselves with their appalling attempts to smear her, which generally only improve her popularity.

      I’m still not convinced she’d be fit for Pres, but its food for thought.

    • meinsydney says:

      03:38pm | 13/01/11

      Papachango,

      Are you seriously suggesting that educated people shouldn’t be frightened that a woman who thinks North Korea is an ally of the USA, Africa is a country, has a bizarre gun fetish and love for killing, calls for our citizens to be hunted down like Taliban, and thinks that dinosaurs were walking with man a few thousand years ago could become president of one of the most powerful countries in the world?  Wow.

      I thought Aussies were so above this sort of stuff…very disappointing to read the comments here.  Thankfully I seriously doubt Abbott or Gillard or Brown would ever condone this sort of violent rhetoric…and I`m pretty sure they all know that North Korea is not our ally.

      I`m not from the far left, voted for Abbott over Gillard and was a former member of the Liberal party, but I`m sure not stupid enough to try to justify Palin just because she`s a conservative..

    • Scarlett Street Rocker says:

      06:56am | 12/01/11

      What Katea said!

    • shane says:

      07:05am | 12/01/11

      You’re all as bad as each other. Left and Right, ranting and spouting the same tired old arguments as if doing so does anything more then make yourself and your ‘team’ feel better.

      General Bolt marshals his forces and slings the same old shit about lefties, whilst (insert leftie columnist) does likewise at the right.

      Nobodies changing anyone’s mind, no one’s really interested in doing so. Rant rant rant. I’ll just post my ‘vitriolic’ comment about why the other side are raging nut jobs, enjoy the little hit of endorphins I get from seeing my words ‘in public’ and then lie in wait, ready to launch some more spiteful bile at ‘the other side’ at the slightest hint of disagreement.

      The only different between Bold and any other commenter on this page is that he’s managed to build a career out of helping to re-enforce the tired old divide between ‘left and right’. Same for his left equivalents. Indeed their continued livelihoods and careers depend upon keeping their side gee’d up and eager to abuse.

    • Economist says:

      08:14am | 12/01/11

      Shane thanks for saying what I wanted to say. I’m glad to see there are some sensible people out there, but as you can see we have the same tired bloggers sticking to their side. Sure I agree you can’t blame Palin, but Bolt why don’t you be a real man and condemn this sort electioneering from your side, rather than defending it on the basis that the others hate as much.  Then you can really say the left are nothing but haters. This tit for tat nonsense is boring!

      Seriously your work ethic is commendable, but I find it highly amusing that you probably earn 5-6 times the average earnings of a working Australian, for simply expressing an opinion that half your followers could write. Journalism indeed.

    • Richard says:

      04:30pm | 14/01/11

      This is about the only intelligent comment on here.  I personally think that lack ofself awareness is the issue.  I would move to another country if I thought it would be any better.

    • Reg says:

      09:36am | 15/01/11

      How distinctly short-sighted chaps. Change for the better or for the worse is incremental, but you’re right in one respect Richard, “lack of awareness” is the issue, you haven’t got a clue.

    • MarK says:

      07:17am | 12/01/11

      You make some excellent points as always Andrew (I wait with bated breath for the outrage that statement will cause).

      I also have cooked up a good supply of popcorn to monitor this thread with. Should be a hoot.

    • fairsfair says:

      09:39am | 12/01/11

      MarK, I’d just like to commend you you your apropriate spelling of “bated” in this context. There is nothing funnier than people thinking that their breath has somehow had a lure or some form of herring/worm attached to it.

      I wish this article had’ve been posted under another name. That being the case everyone would at least be taking onboard that actual words that were linked together to construct a point - not poo pooing it purely because of who wrote it, but I guess ABolt is used to that by now.

    • Reg says:

      09:45am | 12/01/11

      If you only have ego feeding comments to make, then piss-off. More worthy comments are being deleted.

    • fairsfair says:

      10:30am | 12/01/11

      Well I do beg your pardon.

      I take it they are your comments being deleted Reg? Get over yourself champ. If you look at this entire issue, article and thread without party blinkers you would see it for how sad and pathetic it really is. I am shocked by some of the stuff being written here (from both sides), it is a poor reflection on us as a species the world over.

    • Reg says:

      11:11am | 12/01/11

      I do beg your pardon fairsfair, my comment was directed to the originator of the thread as I thought you’d have understood. I am prepared to forgive obsession with drivel (dribble) and even bated (baited), but I draw the line at the moderator protecting the interests of the faux-liberals. Especially the Judas Cow. I dare not mention his name as he has obviously issued a fatwa against any criticism from me.  Different thing altogether if MarK wants to feed his ego.

    • MarK says:

      11:21am | 12/01/11

      Hi Reg - umadbro?

    • NicoleG says:

      12:04pm | 12/01/11

      Did you get out on the wrong side of the bed Reg? Don’t get cranky at the mod because your comments and silly and not posted. And just how is MarK ‘feeding his ego’? Do tell.

      fairsfair, I agree. It’s just a thought, but why don’t we try blaming the nut-job who actually shot those innocent people? As far as I can see, it’s his fault.

    • TimB says:

      12:17pm | 12/01/11

      Aww poor Regina.

      Guess, what a few of my comments aren’t getting through either. I deal & roll with the punches.  And BTW, I agree with Bolt’s article. So much for your conspiracy theory.

      And FYI, I’m pretty sure it’s not Andrew who’s on moderating chores, it’s usually Lucy or one of the other editors. How silly would it be to allow an article writer to moderate their own stuff here?

      You’ve just got tickets on yourself.

    • fairsfair says:

      12:21pm | 12/01/11

      My bad Reg, sorry.

      I do actually agree with MarK though. Bolt has made some (and I stress that MarK also used the word “some”) pretty good points in respect to this rediculous issue. I think the whole situation is quite disrespectful to the lives of those people who have been murdered. They are certainly interwoven with some eyebrow raisers though, but on the whole I agree - this isn’t Sarah Palin’s fault and it reeks of beat up.

      As for the tone of MarK’s comment, thats MarK. Some of us love him for it - some hate him. That is why I enjoy the punch. I have to say being slightly rightly - I often think that this site is scewed to the left (just look at the manner in which the assylum seeker issue is repeatedly broadcast), but really it isn’t . Moderation is simply to weed out the insightment of hatred at a personal level. I find my comments only don’t get posted if I call someone something and I am actually glad they don’t. It is a stupid thing to it and I regret getting myself so worked up the moment I hit submit. This has to be the case otherwise there would be no posts here - look at some of the in(s)ane ramblings of some people that repeatedly get posted….

    • Reg says:

      12:58pm | 12/01/11

      Interesting that you accept that there is such a thing as a “beat-up” fairsfair because this suggests that such a thing can be used to motivate any susceptible individual. I hope you see the point of that one.  All we have to decide is which is beat-up and which is deliberate agitation. By the way, any of my comments that mentioned the Judas Goat were deleted. Eh Lucy.

    • fairsfair says:

      01:41pm | 12/01/11

      That bloody goat strikes again!

      I agree, and it is most definately coming from all sides. Which is the sad bit. It seems to be getting out of hand and even only contemplating the motivation behind both parties is slightly worrying. The good ol’ US of A is a little bit more political than our country, I just hope we don’t get like that. Our collective interest in this event, the response as represented by this article, the original issue to which this was written in response to and the comments made by the public, would suggest we are probably heading down that path though.

    • Shane says:

      07:27am | 12/01/11

      As if it’s not bad enough we are subjected to this fool’s idiotic rantings on a Melbourne radio station and newspaper (although, as it is the Herald-Scum, I use that term loosely), he is now officially going national. GROAN!!!

    • Nafe says:

      08:48am | 12/01/11

      I was hoping that Sky News would give him a gig. Imagine Bolt on at 8:30 and followed by Haddley at 9:30, Oh my, i would suggest Haddley wouldn’t last too long while Bolts ratings would sore

    • Ben81 says:

      01:23pm | 12/01/11

      One of the best things about it is being entertained by the likes of you, who don’t like what you hear because it rubs you the wrong way politically, and go on an angry tirade over Andrew Bolt without bothering to address a single point you’re supposedly angry about, vindicating a lot of what he says.

    • Reg says:

      03:20pm | 12/01/11

      That’s one of the gigantic problems here Ben, “comments” are just that and don’t have to be qualified. See some of Nicole’s inane scribblings. smile

      Matter of fact I think it’s time for a break until the school kids go back.

    • RobJ says:

      12:58pm | 13/01/11

      Nafe reckons “Bolts ratings would sore “

      Yes, he’s having a lot of success at MTR (/sarc) Their ratings are soaring….... Oh, wait a minute! I think if Bolt got his own show the ratings might make his fans realise they are nothing but a narrow minded, very noisy minority…

    • MatthewAU says:

      03:12pm | 16/01/11

      That’s OK Shane, you can still tune into the ABC for your 24 hour leftist PC biased, hypocritical and censored news feed.

    • Thirsty says:

      07:27am | 12/01/11

      Why is it that no-one from the right will answer a couple of simple questions:
      What did the Tea Party candidate mean when he said that if he wasnt elected, maybe his supporters should take up their 2nd amendment right to fight back?
      I was watching Fox News the other night before the shootings (its always a good laugh to watch right wingers trying to justify how balanced their reporting is….) and here was Glen Beck in a talk show type format saying how he felt that America was on the verge of a civil war, not north versus south, but left versus right…and talking up the possibility
      As usual, and this is true for both left and right, commentators like Andrew Bolt completly miss the point that others are saying. They have not said that the Tea Party and Sarah Palin caused this shooting, they said that if the rights language isnt toned down, this type of thing could happen as a result
      The right is trying to justify their actions with comparing personal threats of violence that they have spruiked to the Obama’s comment about national security…until they actually wake up to what they are doing, then this type of violence will certainly persist against elected officials, not just in America, but all democracy’s
      Just as a footnote, I highly recommend that you watch Fox News for a few hours, it is funnier than the Comedy Channel

    • Nafe says:

      08:59am | 12/01/11

      You have to watch Glen Beck from a right wingers point of view. He rates due to his language and his perceived patriotism. I am not sure if he truely believes that the USA is on the brink of Civil War. He makes viewers believes that he believes.

      I don’t actuually think Beck is saying he wants a Civil War. You need to listen to all he says not just your snippits between finnishing your bag of chips and opening a can of coke. He tells the conservitives to take things on themselves to make things better, He spruikes about needeing to help eachother.

      I think you should watch his Wilmington Ohio set he did, he is not the bad man the media portray him as being, and he isn’t as deranged as the hand pluched comments make him appear.

      But just like everyone, listen, but use your own common sence to make your own judgements.

    • Gary from the Alley says:

      09:11am | 12/01/11

      The shooter was a “pot head”, and heavy marijuana use normally triggers some type of psychosis. In this guys case it seems to have been paranoid delusions. It was clearly the USA’s casual view of drugs that led to this tragedy - guns were only the tool.

      Given that the right are strongly against drugs, they definitely shouldn’t tone down their langauage.

      Regarding 2nd ammendment rights, he was simply saying that citizens in the US have a right to defend their property if a leviathon tries to take it. What else are they supposed to do? America isn’t like Europe with a long history of tyrannical rulers. America was born free and conservatives want to keep that way. That is all.

    • Chris says:

      10:56am | 12/01/11

      No, Gary, *she*, Sharon Angle said that if they (the Tea Party/Republicans) didn’t get the result they wanted at the ballot box they’d resort to “second amendment remedies”.

      It wasn’t “if someone tries to take our stuff” it was “if we don’t get our way”.

    • Thirsty says:

      12:22pm | 12/01/11

      Nafe
      I dont drink coke mate, its normally a can of beer that I am opening

      I have been watching Fox News on and off for 3 years now (not just snippets) and find it one of the most entertaining channels around
      To see Glen Beck and Bill O’Rielly digging up the most extreme examples of left leaning fringe groups, then trying to paint a picture that this is descriptive of the entire left is just plain funny. They then sign off as being “fair and balanced”??
      Everytime someone gets on the program to talk about the extreme right, Glen and Bill cut them off straight away and say that this side of politics is covered by the “elitist left leaning CNBC and New York Times”, so they never talk about it, but they are “fair, balanced and unafraid”. Its just so bloody funny I cant but help watch it for hours at a time
      Andrew Bolt and Piers should become Australian correspondants to Fox, they are made for the job

    • Reg says:

      07:33am | 15/01/11

      Most astute of you Thirsty, so I’m sure you extend your delight by watching Jon Stewart take them apart each evening. In the US this program is a late summary of that day and so much more current. It’s almost worth installing a satellite dish to bypass the local stuff-ups.

      It would be on about 3pm our time so there’s not much excuse for the local networks screwing up. Well except for the day loss. It should be Tuesday to Saturday here but the channels would rather stuff-up the currency than have their routines messed around.

    • Tubesteak says:

      07:34am | 12/01/11

      Yes, it was stupid to blame Palin for this incident.

      Loughner is clearly a deeply disturbed person and what drove him to allegedly commit this is deeper than cross-hairs on maps or violent music and video games.

      It would be nice if we could devote some time to understanding his motives so that we can see the patterns in other individuals and therefore try to prevent it from happening again but knowing those Americanians they’ll probably sentence him to death before anything useful can come out of this tragedy.

    • Seano says:

      07:56am | 12/01/11

      Conservatives typical complain about violence in movies and especially computer games causing problems in our society but vehemently defend their own use continued use (particularly the Tea Party) of violent imagery to seel their “message”. They can’t have it both ways.

    • Nafe says:

      09:00am | 12/01/11

      How does the Tea Party use violence?

    • Seano says:

      12:54pm | 12/01/11

      Some examples would include targetting opponents with gun sights, the Rattle Snake mascot, the use of gun imagery in campaigns and references to sorting out the government with via “second ammendment remedies”.

    • Nafe says:

      02:12pm | 12/01/11

      Ahh so a couple of pictures makes the Tea Party dangerous thugs. Oh my, i think you need a lay down, this world is much too scarey for you.

    • Seano says:

      02:49pm | 12/01/11

      ““second ammendment remedies” suggesting the violent over throw of the democratically elected government using guns isn’t dangerous thuggery?

      Think first, then post.

    • MarK says:

      05:25pm | 12/01/11

      Seano one person in the Tea Party said that. It is not their “policy”.

      Gosh.

      I identify as a conservative, I bet you never guessed, and LOVE violent games and movies.

      I have no issue with them. None. I would prefer better ratings for the games that is all.

      gross generalisations will leave you looking a bit silly….like now.

    • Seano says:

      07:18pm | 12/01/11

      @MarK

      I was asked for an example and I gave one. There are plenty of others of ultra conservatives (mainly in the US) using violence imagery to sell their messages.

      “I identify as a conservative, I bet you never guessed, and LOVE violent games and movies. I have no issue with them. None. I would prefer better ratings for the games that is all.”

      Laugh out loud funny how your identify your personal attitudes with the whole conservative movement and then drop this little gem…“gross generalisations will leave you looking a bit silly”.

      Oh the irony.

    • TimB says:

      11:35pm | 12/01/11

      Nice try Seano. MarK didn’t do what you claim at all.

      All he said was *he* was a Conservative, and then point out he didn’t fit in yet another one of your oh so carefully constructed pigeon holes. He didn’t imply anything about all conservatives at all.

      Unlike you with your usual baseless generalisations of course.

      Honestly Seano, deliberate misinterpretations of peoples statements and silly generalisations- they’re bad habits of yours. You might want to drop them if you feel like being taken seriously any time soon.

    • MarK says:

      10:14am | 13/01/11

      What TimB said raspberry

      Really. When I say “I” I mean me. Singular. Solitary. Personally. Individually.

      Is it really that hard?

    • Seano says:

      01:19pm | 13/01/11

      “What TimB said”....is there a convention in town or are there two villages missing staff?

      “Really. When I say “I” I mean me. Singular. Solitary. Personally. Individually.”

      Really, well when I say “typical(ly)” I mean often. Many. A lot. Serveral. Generally.

      Is it really that hard?

    • TimB says:

      01:32pm | 13/01/11

      “Really, well when I say “typical(ly)” I mean often. Many. A lot. Serveral. Generally.

      Is it really that hard”

      No it isn’t. That’s why we’re accusing you of GENERALizations. Duh.

      I would be very suprised if even anywhere near even half of conservatives fall under the catergory you describe.

      Ohand PS:
      ““What TimB said”....is there a convention in town or are there two villages missing staff?”

      I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure MarK was using “what TimB said raspberry” as a way of mocking one of your other silly anti-conservative generalisations from the other week. Not surprised you missed that bit of subtle humour though.

    • Seano says:

      03:22pm | 13/01/11

      So you’re attacking my “generalisations” with the power of “generalisations”. Clever.

      PS. Your use of emoticons demonstrates how truly witty you are Timmy.

    • TimB says:

      11:05pm | 13/01/11

      My use of emoticons? I’m quoting MarK’s mocking of you genius.

    • Seano says:

      01:45pm | 14/01/11

      Needed the emticon though to reinforce the “laugh” did you champ?

      smile <Emoticon inserted because apparently right wing ranters need to be told where the jokes are>

    • Blazes says:

      07:59am | 12/01/11

      Totally agree, Andrew! Leftists never think before they talk - and therefore have no credibility.

    • Reg says:

      10:00pm | 12/01/11

      Your own credibility is dreary thin Blazes considering your failure to support your contention.

    • AFR says:

      08:06am | 12/01/11

      This is the same Andrew Bolt who all but called Gillard a murderer for what happened off Christmas Island?

    • Blazes says:

      08:48am | 12/01/11

      But Gillard WAS a murderer for what happened off Christmas Island - it was her policy that caused it.

    • Jamesco says:

      09:02am | 12/01/11

      It’s a national disgrace that she hasn’t been held accountable.

    • jaki says:

      09:51am | 12/01/11

      What happened at Christmas Island ? Oh yeah, that’s right, I remember now. Gillard and the MSM have “moved forward” from that minor incident. Best fogotten.

    • James says:

      11:21am | 12/01/11

      @ Blazes

      And it was the gun policy’s of right-wingers like Palin that allowed a mentally disturbed young man with a criminal history to walk into his local sports store, buy a gun and ammunition and murder several people in his local shopping centre.

      Therefore according to your range of thought Palin is INDEED a murderer.

    • papachango says:

      02:10pm | 12/01/11

      He said that she had blood on her hands not that she was a murderer. Perhaps a bit of a cheap shot but he had been saying repeatedly over the last two years that Rudd/Gillards changes to the bpat people policies will likely lead to tragic deaths.

      At the time the lefties were all saying ’ don’t politicise a tragedy’. The same people then leapt on a chance to declare Sarah Palin a murder provoker, without even pausing for breath to express sympathy for the victims or even condemnation of Loughner.

      Both things can’t be directly pinned on the political leaders but there is a much more demonstable causal link to the Christmas Island tragedy and asylum seeker policy, than there is to Palin and this shooting.

    • Dick J says:

      03:40pm | 12/01/11

      I think you will find that your statement about Bolt calling Gillard a murdurer is most untrue and a lie. Why do you propound such slanderous trash?

      He said the government was responsible for the deaths and the Gillard and the ALP policies were to blame.  Bolt said she and her government had blood on their hands. 

      Gillard response was “lets get the facts, its too early to play politics when people have died etc and how despicable that people would.

      Now compare Gillard’s response to what the left is saying of Palin. Seems most hypocritical

    • Bobster says:

      04:33pm | 12/01/11

      @ Blazes - That would be the incident where the continuation of Howard Government policy killed a bunch of people? Yeah, Bolt never flies off on unjustified diatribes.

    • TimB says:

      05:29pm | 12/01/11

      Bobster WTF?

      You honestly think Gillard’s immigration policy is a continuation of Howard’s? You can’t see the difference at all?

      No wonder you have so many problems with understanding the topic.

    • Blazes says:

      05:59pm | 12/01/11

      @ Bobster - even Gillard would admit that she has a different policy to Howard! No TPVs, no Naru detention centre, etc.

    • Cam says:

      08:06am | 12/01/11

      Part of the blame (and I stress part) lies with the media and politicians whose rhetoric contains violent undertones.  This includes Sarah Palin and Barack Obama.  By all means defend Palin from direct criticism; she didn’t pull the trigger.  But don’t defend the language and rhetoric used by Palin.  It’s not OK.

    • Mike T says:

      09:26am | 12/01/11

      Well said Cam. Think that sums up the issue well

    • Sherekahn says:

      10:55am | 12/01/11

      I’m sneaking in here to answer Hamish:
      “Sherekahn, you say ‘was in some part responsible for the tragedy of the shooting’. I assume you have evidence of this?”
      “You don’t? What a surprise.”
      Oh dear Hamish, I don’t have proof that the world exists but, I do believe I’m standing on something!
      Instinct takes care of many things by the time one reaches my age.

    • Hamish says:

      11:40am | 12/01/11

      Really Sherekahn, is that the best you can do?

    • TimB says:

      12:22pm | 12/01/11

      @ sherkhan

      Dude, the fact that you’re “standing on something” (as you say) might be considered proof the world exists.

      Unless you’re contemplating the possibility that we’re all a figment of your imagination.

      Really, that was a pretty weak argument. You cannot make a factual statement based on your “instincts”. It doesn’t work like that.

    • Reg says:

      08:57am | 14/01/11

      Will someone kindly assure me that TimB is a school-child, I would not want to treat him as an adult by accident.

    • Cloud Strife says:

      08:08am | 12/01/11

      Are you saying that putting crosshairs over Left pollies and encouraging people to ‘take up the fight’ does not encourage violence? Really?

      You are some kind of ignoramous.

    • Nafe says:

      09:03am | 12/01/11

      I didnt see you complain about this prior to this incident. Since when does ‘take up the fight” mean go and shoot your local Democrat?

    • Hamish says:

      09:23am | 12/01/11

      Cloud, the cross-hairs were supposed to be a symbol of ‘targeting’ particular areas which Palin felt were susceptible to falling to Tea Party candidates in the mid-terms. The Democrats have used the same motif before, as have I in media sales collateral - ‘target’ affluent consumers, for instance.

      The left and right in the US both use this kind of imagery.

    • AdamC says:

      09:31am | 12/01/11

      Well, Cloud S, given that there is no evidence (or even credible suggestion) that the AZ shooter was at all ‘encouraged’ by Palin’s crosshairs map, it seems you have no basis for your comment.

      Unless, of course, you know someone else who was incited to violence by the diagram. Do you?

    • Reg says:

      10:20am | 12/01/11

      In the US, putting cross-hairs on a target or person, means only one thing to the ignorami and ignorami are extremely susceptible to suggestion.  How quaint Nafe, if you haven’t seen suggestions that the portrayal of targeting might engender violence, then you’ve been distracted by overindulgence in manual manipulation.

    • AdamC says:

      12:16pm | 12/01/11

      Reg, it seems like you are just indulging your own prejudices. Crosshairs over a map and battlefield allusions aren’t incitements to vioence, even to the ‘ignorami’, whoever they are.

    • Sahara says:

      01:05pm | 12/01/11

      Cloud Strife if a simple picture with markings of any kind encourages you to any form of violence than I would advise you to seek professional help immediately

    • Lucius says:

      08:09am | 12/01/11

      I knew it wouldnt take long for right-winger bigot Andrew to come out of the woodwork to attack the “left”.

      Nobody was blaming Palin or the Tea Party , they were simply pointing out that both palin and the Tea Party INCITE hatred, fear and bigotry, which they DO. They were also pointing out that Palin has openly and actively told her supporters to lock and load and kill democrat politicions if they get in the way of republican progress - which she DID.

      The fact is the 2nd amendment in America has been twisted by the far right who believe in having guns not for protection from each other but for protection from their government who they believe will one day form a nazi-style state in their country, and eventually the world through what they call a New World Order.

      They are insane… like most right-wingers.

    • Hamish says:

      09:51am | 12/01/11

      Lucius, the Tea Patry does not incite violence. Do you even know what they stand for and how they developed as a grass-roots movement? Of course not. When you read the broadsheet media, I guess you don’t have to think for yourself. Also, Palin didn’t didn’t encourage anyone to kill Democrats. That’s just a complete fabrication. This kind of convenience store anti-American intellectualism is a national embarrassment.

    • Macca says:

      10:24am | 12/01/11

      @Lucius, “Nobody was blaming Palin or the Tea Party “

      I’m sorry, but this is just a complete lie

    • Bri says:

      11:02am | 12/01/11

      @Hamish
      The Tea Patry does not incite violence.? Are you living on another planet. here is a range of quotes from right-wing teabagger Glenn Beck who is known as the posterboy for the Tea Party:
      - ‘‘I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I’m wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. ... No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out.”
      - “‘‘I went to the movie this weekend with a gun. And surprise, surprise, I didn’t kill anybody!’‘
      - ‘‘You got to have an enemy to fight. And when you have an enemy to fight, then you can unite the entire world behind you, and you seize power. That was Hitler’s plan. His enemy: the Jew. “
      - “‘‘Every night I get down on my knees and pray that Dennis Kucinich will burst into flames.’‘
      - “‘When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I’m just like, ‘Oh shut up’ I’m so sick of them because they’re always complaining.’‘
      Quotes by Teabaggers:
      - ‘‘The Federal Department of Education should be eliminated. The Department of Education is unconstitutional and should not be involved in education, at any level.’‘
      - ‘‘My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.’’ (Anne Coulter)
      - ‘‘The only way to reduce the number of nuclear weapons is to use them.’’  (Rush Limbaugh)
      - ‘‘We need to execute people like (John Walker Lindh) in order to physically intimidate liberals.’’ (Anne Coulter)

    • Hamish says:

      11:07am | 12/01/11

      Bri, equating Glenn Beck with the entire tea party movement is the same as saying all left-wingers are like Pol Pot. I’ll take it if you will.

    • Lucius says:

      11:26am | 12/01/11

      @Hamish
      There is a huge difference between being a right-wing Australian and being a right-wing American, and a Republican would have no problems killing an Australian Liberal to protect America and his guns. You should really read up on the Tea Party and the GOP, and the history of right-wing fanaticism in America before making comments. Because compaired to american right-wing fanaticsm, the Liberals and australian right-wing conservatives look more like Greens voters!

    • Nafe says:

      02:17pm | 12/01/11

      Bri, How about a bit of context with each quote and you will then either get some credibility, or might feel a bit stupid about what your wrote. I saw each episode og Glen Beck program and heard his radio shows that these quotes came from. Show some context and you will be supprised that a one liner taken from someone doesn;t mean he’s inciting violence.

    • Abraham says:

      11:28am | 16/01/11

      The Tea Party (movement is) ‘a movement that’s just a grassroots protest by middle-class Americans against big government and record deficits.’

      If anyone truly believes that, then they are as ignorant as that silly Alaskan woman, and obviously as naive as A. Bolt.

    • James says:

      08:16am | 12/01/11

      Andrew Bolt,

      I’d like to ask you; Exactly how many left-wingers can you find out there who walk into churches, museums and political rallies and shoot people in the head?

      The Giffords shooting brings the tally to 19 total cases of american domestic-terrorism inspired by right-wing extremism since July 2008, Oh, excuse me: I meant to say “isolated incidents”.

    • Blazes says:

      08:50am | 12/01/11

      What about the left-wingers who killed tens of millions of people in Communist Russia?

    • Jamesco says:

      09:04am | 12/01/11

      Jared Loughner?

    • Hamish says:

      09:25am | 12/01/11

      Did you read the article? There is really not a lot of evidence to suggest he was right-wing at all. You shouldn’t post if you don’t read the article.

    • Jamesco says:

      09:53am | 12/01/11

      Did you read my comment Hamish there’s a ? after his name. There’s no evidence to suggest he’s not a leftie either. If you can’t keep up you shouldn’t post

    • Mike T says:

      09:54am | 12/01/11

      Hitler…...

      To put lay the blame of political violence on the Right wing nutters is just plain stupid james. Ever been to a heavily backed left wing political protest?? If you have i dont need to say anymore

    • James says:

      09:59am | 12/01/11

      @Hamish
      Given the fact Jared Loughner was extremely anti-government, anti-US currency (the same rhetoric that right-wing Glenn Beck spurts out) and believed the government was “out to get him” and trying to control his mind. This shows a mind that is extremely right-wing.  You wont find many lefties who think the government is trying to control their mind. It’s already been explained that Jared listing communist and facist books as his “favourites” was actually aimed to infuriate his parents who he had a bad relationship with - who are in fact Jewish.

      Also Jared tried to assassinate a DEMOCRAT congresswoman, not a REPUBLICAN.

      Some of you should actually read sources that arent newsltd, or biased towards the right-wing and actually look at the facts.

    • Lucius says:

      10:22am | 12/01/11

      @ hamish
      Actually there is alot of evidence. One extremely important bit of evidence that he did have far-right views is his obsession with grammar. His statements closely echo the teachings of a popular far-right tax-resister movement in America. Many of his seemingly random statements—on “grammar,” “the ratifications,” “the new currency,” and more—echo the teachings of the “sovereign citizen” movement, a right-wing school of thought alleging that Americans have been surreptitiously stripped of their God-given rights.
      Do some research before you comment please. wink

    • Hamish says:

      10:50am | 12/01/11

      Guys, believing the government is trying to control your mind is not right-wing, it is a paranoid delusion. Right-wing is not a mental illness. This guy was simply deranged. Why are you so desperate to claim he was right-wing when all the evidence points to the fact he was basically just crazy?

      Lucius, I’m right-wing and I have no problem with grammar. I’m not sure being anti-grammar can be applied to either end of the spectrum. Again, it is indicative of mental fragility if anything.

    • AdamC says:

      12:27pm | 12/01/11

      “The Giffords shooting brings the tally to 19 total cases of american domestic-terrorism inspired by right-wing extremism since July 2008.”

      But the AZ shootings probably weren’t inspired by ‘right-wing extremism’: there is certainly no evidence that they were. Your premise is based on a grotesque form of wishful thinking.

      And the premise that, because Giffords was a democrat her killer must be right-wing is a laughable nonsense. Have you heard of JFK, a leftist president killed by a left-winger?

    • Greg says:

      11:15pm | 13/01/11

      The facts are that most of the US political assainations or assination attempts in recent times have been performed by leftists, and they don’t care what party their victims belong to.
      US President John F Kennedy and his brother Attorney General Robert Kennedy both assassinated by leftists.
      US Presidents Ford, Nixon & Reagan all experienced attempted assinations by leftists.

    • Daniel says:

      08:25am | 12/01/11

      I don’t think Palin can be blamed for the actual shooting itself. But why she would make a map and have crossbow figures of her opponents is really a dumb thing to do. It’s ok to be on the opposite end of the political spectrum but to do that is just dumb. What’s more dumb is an Australian journalist trying to defend her too. Where’s Piers when you need him?

    • Yes we can says:

      08:25am | 12/01/11

      Obama’s threats “if they bring a knife to the fight we bring a gun” followed by “I want you to argue with them and get in their face”  and “folks in Philly like a good brawl” were equally as juvenile as the silly targets used by both sides in their advertising materials.  He’s made no attempt whatsoever to turn around American gun culture.
      So much for change you can believe in.

    • Reg says:

      01:25pm | 12/01/11

      JUST perhaps he was saying that if YOU bring a knife then your opponent will do the same, or worse? The escalation of violence pre-supposes a beginning despite the feint-hearted do-gooders who preach peace at all costs. It is well known that in the eyes of the gun culture an attempt to disarm them is provocation. What’s your next suggestion?

      I watched a Yank armament expert recently suggest that every American should have an AK47 in his armory. Bugger the terrorists, this is destruction from within.

    • Az says:

      08:34am | 12/01/11

      Hypocrisy and irony all on one rabid page.

      Andrew, only time and the US Judiciary will tell how culpable Palin’s aggressive political narrative was in this tragedy .

      Neither you or the “leftist” media you castigate can claim to know otherwise.

      Interestingly the Guardian piece you quote aims its vitriol not just at Palin but at the whole culture of Political aggression that has manifested itself in the US over the last couple of years – on both sides of the political spectrum.

      No matter how hard you try, you cannot convince me that using gun scopes on a campaign website to target your political opponents and using catchphrases like “Dont retreat - Reload” is a responsible or harmless thing to do.

      It is just inexcusably dumb, and underscores the dangerously hostile machismo Palin and her political affiliates have resorted to, particularly given that many Americans are armed.

      Her responses to this tragedy have been confined to glib condolence postings on Facebook and Twitter. A stark contrast to her her Democratic adversaries and even her Republican colleagues who have stood up and made public their disquiet on this issue - some Republicans even going as far as saying that they would not have made the choices she has made.

      Wether Jared Loughner was a Palin fan or not, the political dialogue of the US right, Palin, the Tea Party et all (and even some of the leftists) has got to change and where better to start than with a gun-toting, fear-mongering halfwit like Palin.

    • Claire Nixon says:

      03:57pm | 12/01/11

      Well said AZ.

    • Slim says:

      08:49am | 12/01/11

      Andrew has his very own blog and armies of supporters ready to battle commenters to the death. Why do we now have to have him on The Punch? It’s rabid enough as it is without adding the Bolter to the mix.

    • Jim says:

      03:47pm | 12/01/11

      We need some reality in here from time to time Slim, to balance out the utopian gibberish spewed forth by some of the latte sipping columnists and militant unionists.

    • Miko says:

      08:50am | 12/01/11

      Andrew – as usual you make some excellent points….but why waste your extraordinary intellect rushing to defend Sarah Palin.  She is clearly not responsible, but then I didn’t need to read your article to know that…but she is a dope…and it would be a disaster for the Republicans to back her as their presidential nominee.  Surely there are bigger issues out there, more worthy of your big brain.

    • Ryan says:

      08:51am | 12/01/11

      I think it natural and unsurprising from the low and disgusting left that would try and make political mileage from this sort of tragedy, its unsurprising since the left have a long history of producing psychopaths that have done unspeakable things to society. Here are just some of the left’s trophies, Hitler (socialist), Stalin (communist), Pol pot (communist) and just about any of these lefties in this list.. http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/2007/edition_02-11-2007/Dictators

      Lets not forget the left dishing us the worst governments in history in Australia.

    • Reg says:

      01:45pm | 12/01/11

      Can’t help a little giggle that Ryan does not regard himself as “low and disgusting.” Such authoritative and succinct evaluation. The “low and disgusting” Democrats did not need to make any political capital, the Republicans have been doing it for them for yonks. Since you mention the H word you might like to tick a few points in common from Fox News. Start with the rampant goose-stepping commentators, its tearful nationalistic oratory and the perpetual call to arms. But for their own fascist tendencies it would probably be sufficient to make even Big M and Big E fall about laughing. (Although I honestly don’t think Big E has a sense of humour.)

    • Ryan says:

      09:11am | 14/01/11

      @Reg: your summation would be smart if the big H was not a lefty socialist. Good try though.

    • Reg says:

      11:14am | 15/01/11

      Your sarcasm fits you well Ryan. So are you suggesting that a fascist is not right-wing or are you just hiding behind sarcasm again?  You continue with your string of failures. Praise from you is certainly no commendation.

    • Chris says:

      09:12am | 12/01/11

      From Slate:

      “First you rile up psychotics with inflammatory language about tyranny, betrayal, and taking back the country. Then you make easy for them to get guns. But if you really want trouble, you should also make it hard for them to get treatment for mental illness. I don’t know if Loughner had health insurance, but he falls into a pool of people who often go uninsured—not young enough to be covered by parents (until the health-care bill’s coverage of twentysomethings kicked in a few months ago), not old enough for Medicare, not poor enough for Medicaid. If such a person happens to have a history of mental illness, he will be effectively uninsurable. To get treatment, he actually has to commit a crime. If Republicans succeed in repealing the Obama health care bill, that’s how it will remain”.

      Yes it was wrong to lay blame, but nothing happens in a bubble. But hey, you’ve clearly proven that reckless right wing rhetoric isn’t directly responsible and I guess that’s all that matters.

    • Gary from the Alley says:

      10:38am | 12/01/11

      Or you could glamourise drug use in TV, music and movies and denounce personal responisbility.

      It’s always the combination of drugs and mental illness that leads to violence - mentall illness, guns and patriotism alone won’t do it - stop the drugs and alcohol.

      Mc Veigh used marijuana and meth also.

    • James1 says:

      10:59am | 12/01/11

      “It’s always the combination of drugs and mental illness that leads to violence.”

      Always?  That is quite a generalisation.  What about that fellow who shot the abortion doctor outside the church.  Or those fellows who hijacked planes and flew them into buildings?  I wasn’t aware that fundamentalist Muslims and Christians were so heavily into drugs and alcohol.

    • Gary says:

      11:43am | 12/01/11

      Fair call. I’m no expert but I don’t think a psychiatrist would diagnose the abortion clinic guy or the 9/11 terrorists as mentally ill as what they were complaining about was actually happening in reality,  i.e. they weren’t deluded. - which is not to excuse their crimes.

    • Andy says:

      02:15pm | 13/01/11

      Hitler was a vegetarian and did not do drugs or the like. Look how he turned out.

      All these bleating by the left to demonise the other side is typical of the kind of politics spewed by the likes of Maximillian Robespierre, Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, Adolf Hitler and the like. Facts do not need to figure in their diatribes (in this case, any tangible link between Palin and the shooter). Only horrible images (the fantasised raping of Willow Palin, for example) and lies, whether by omission (that the left use the same images as Palin and in an even more explicit sense) or otherwise (claiming that the shooter is rightwing when his friends have clearly stated that he is of an extreme leftwing bent).

      The only conclusion that can be drawn from this event is that the left are full of unethical haters, liars, hypocrites, barbarians, paedophiles and savages.

    • Simon says:

      04:59pm | 14/01/11

      Andy Hitler was on drugs and constantly led a debauched lifestyle, his political meatings might have been reasonably sobre affairs but the social aspect of Hitler was still that of failed artist who then went into the occult and psychotropic mind expanding drugs. From 36 onwards both him and Goering were almost permanently high.

    • Reg says:

      03:26pm | 16/01/11

      @Andy.  “The only conclusion that can be drawn from this event is that the left are full of unethical haters, liars, hypocrites, barbarians, paedophiles and savages.”

      Have you stopped taking your pills again Andy? Simon’s rebuke is rather mild under the circumstances, so we can only conclude,...as you do… that he would stand one pace behind as you vomit your rant at the assembled ranks of modern uniformed Fascists. A nice giggle.

    • Red says:

      09:26am | 12/01/11

      During last years elections in the U.S., Giffords was among Democrats targeted on Palin’s Facebook page through the cross hairs of a rifle. Giffords was also the target of a campaign advert by her Tea Party opponent, Jesse Kelly, a former marine. Palin fully endorsed the campaign along with all other Tea Party candidates. Kelly’s website stated “Get on target for victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly.” Kelly appeared on the site in camouflage gear holding a gun to promote the fund raising event. The use of such language in a country wher one can buy a Glock automatic pistol at a fair is extremly dangerous. Labelling the killer with a political term, liberal, leftist, fascist is meaningless.

    • Eleanor says:

      09:32am | 12/01/11

      At the very least, Andrew, can you appreciate that targeting your political opponents with crosshairs is in poor taste?

    • JT says:

      10:44am | 12/01/11

      You mean exactly like the Democrats have done numerous times over the years?

      Let’s be honest here, if you think the graphic of a cross-hair is an incitement for violence however it is used then you are a moron.

      To believe any of the so called rhetoric currently is to also believe that all forms of violent imagery be it computer games, tv, newspapers etc all incite violence.
      Do you people really believe that? or is it far more likely that mentally unhinged people will do mentally unhinged acts regardless of imagery, their delusions providing enough motive as it is. Look at Loughner, he believed the government used grammar as a form of mind control.

      It is therefore quite odious to suggest some 6th degree of guilt applies to Palin or any other person or group who has ever used such imagery or speech.

    • Eleanor says:

      11:12am | 12/01/11

      Holy strawman argument, Batman!

      How were you able to extrapolate from my response that I think it would be acceptable for anyone on the left side of politics to get away with using crosshairs to target their opponent’s electorates?

      I don’t believe the crosshairs were an incitement of violence. But I do think they were tacky and in poor taste.

      Or am I just asking too much to expect a little bit of decorum and maturity from our politicians?

    • JT says:

      12:29pm | 12/01/11

      Sorry Eleanor, my reply was directed more at the entire thread than you only. Let’s be honest though, I doubt very much you have ever raised the issue of decorum and maturity from our politicians when it was the other side using crosshairs et al.

    • Reg says:

      01:59pm | 12/01/11

      @JT ... “Let’s be honest here, if you think the graphic of a cross-hair is an incitement for violence however it is used then you are a moron.”

      JT the rhetoric of which you complain falls on deaf ears when you too indulge in the same tactics. Cross-hairs have about the same authority as any other public symbol. The meaning must be unmistakable, regardless of your attempt to tell us that only you have the answer. A STOP sign is an example you may not have considered. If it’s not obvious then it’s f***ing useless.

      “Let’s be honest” indeed and stop messing with our minds. smile

    • JT says:

      03:25pm | 12/01/11

      It’s so simple, Reg has the answer. Since he believes crosshairs incite violence, his own example the STOP sign can be used to stop violence. Why didn’t one of Loughner victims simply hold up a stop sign, after all Reg says the meaning is unmistakable so Loughner being incited to violence by the symbol of the crosshair would therefore have stopped by seeing the stop sign.

      Or maybe, Lougher being mentally unhinged had his own real and imagined reasons for doing what he did that has nothing to do with the rhetoric either side of politics uses daily since time began and as I said before it is odious to suggest some 6th degree of guilt applies to Palin or any other person or group of either divide.

    • Reg says:

      05:12pm | 12/01/11

      I didn’t say cross-hairs incite violence, I said they infer violence. Do you not know the difference? An inference that one should resort to violence equates with a suggestion, not a death threat for disobedience. In case you haven’t given it any thought, even a stop sign is only a suggestion you are free to disobey at your own peril. Fox News to far too cagey to offer a reward for assassination, they merely infer that such a one would be secretly venerated by their followers.

    • Simon says:

      05:34pm | 14/01/11

      Reg you must be the last remaining iconclast in the world, can’t imagine why it’s died out now the dark ages are over? Do you hate marketing too? Do you hate everything except poor no hopers and emotional intelligence?  Your actually endorsing closing down a country’s common cultural references because some people are too juvenile or deranged to see the point as it was meant .  Should Muslims be deprived of the Koran because some of them take it to far, should Germans be banned from flying the swastika because of Hitler, should Americans be denied the only cultural legacy they (the constitution) have because some cretinous imbecile with a drug habit misuses the privilege ?  The answer is no to all of these as you well know so give up the pathetic blame spreading and accept that Gifford crapped in her own nest as far as Loughner was concerned,  that whole sections of the community are to blame.  It’s as simple as democrat shot, democrat suckholes tried to gain mileage (again), democrats got caught being cheap and disgustingly hypocritical, democrats supporters worldwide invent childishly poor( the dog ate my homework) excuses as to why they, the morally superior left/sarc instantly tried to turn a slaying of one of their own into oh so desperately needed poll points.  Either way BO is gone and so is any thought that democrats stand for anything except getting into power for the sake of it.  Leftist dogma is just sounding so parochial in the 21st century it’s almost quaint, soon it will just be museum exhibits and weird littlle anachronists harking back to the glory days when the Clintons really meant something and Al Gore was still a human.

    • Reg says:

      12:01pm | 15/01/11

      Here we have the example of the writer wandering in the hills and valleys to emerge in tatters, too confused to remember what his goal was, when all the time all he had to do was walk across the bridge. Did you really write this rubbish Simon or is it computer generated?

    • ibast says:

      09:40am | 12/01/11

      Few thoughts.

      Firstly I see Bolt as one of the more reasonable right wing commentators and as such, despite being democratic liberal in nature, I quite like him.  He has, however, in recent times become more like Peirs and this article is an example of that.  He should be careful to remain reasonable or risk becoming irrelevant like Akerman.

      Secondly I agree with Bolt and other commentators that the media attacks on Pallin are often unreasonable.  Yes we know she’s not the sharpest tool in the political tool box, and yes we know shes a bit of an extremest, but why they feel the need to constantly aggressively attack is beyond me.

      Despite this, the comments blaming “Palin” are not unfounded.  The Tea Party has been running what is very much a propaganda campaign (in the traditional sense) and it is propaganda of this type that fuels these types of extremest responses.

    • Tombowler says:

      09:57am | 12/01/11

      Come on kids!!

      I normally like some of Bolt’s politically incorrect but indisputably true (if vitriolic) writings. This particular piece is garbage that creates false parallels between the aussie “left” and “Right” and the situation in the U.S.

      I’m a fairly right-wing Australian but hate the Republicans in the US. Why? The right in Australia is not a collective of unintelligent, uninformed, unimaginative and disingenuous slander, rhetoric and faux-patriotism (nationalism). 

      Australia doesn’t have the sort of tribal self-identification crap of one being a “conservative” or “liberal” that the U.S does and we are in general a much more cohesive, united and relaxed community because of it.

      America is domestically broken and it will be hard to fix. Look at Katrina versus Queensland? The U.S response to natural disaster ranges from excuses, incompetence, looting and the settling of scores by police officers through the tool of the handgun. In Queensland it’s co-operative, effective and considered response.

      One might draw parallels between the Brits under Churchill (“Keep Calm and Carry On”) and our current “stiff upper-lip” attitude.. (“What-ho chaps, fill the sandbags and all that… I daresay this flooding that has destroyed my entire livelihood and the economy of the state is all a bit tiresome really…”)

      Anyway, my point is we have inherited a much more genteel, reasonable and civilized approach to many things from the old empire than the U.S; who delight in brash hysteria alternated with jingoistic crap depending on the occasion. We don’t have the myriad problems of their internal politic and should be eternally grateful.

      It’s complete and utter bullsh#t to simplistically align our left & right with theirs. In truth I would think that Lab & Lib would align roughly with leftist democrats and centrist-right democrats respectively.

      Bolt; don’t over-simplify. Not everything that calls itself “Conservative” warrants an excuse from yourself.

      Punchers: Come on kids! Those defending Palin and those likening her to the aussie right or Abbott? Don’t give us conservative aussies a bad name!

    • Samson says:

      11:14am | 12/01/11

      Too true, the politcal right in Australia and America are two entirely different creatures. Most conservatives in Australia are centre-right folk (Andrew Bolt excluded) and don’t share much in common with the nutty folk of the ultra conservative right in the US (moderate Republicans excluded). Whatever one thinks about Palin’s responsibility in the Arizona shooting, it is really sad to see how low political debate in the US has sunk since the rise of the tea party.

    • Zeus says:

      07:24pm | 12/01/11

      @Reg,you previous post on this page seems to reek of Paranoia Fox,,maybe but the balance is in Aust ABC,strictly Labor and strictly Leftist and is a prime example of brainwash by media ,,sublime suggestion seamless PR and no real input politically except for alleged and yet unproven weather paranoia dialogue. A Bolt I believe is a moderate,the fact that he is not radical tends to annoy,which Is better than radical because it annoys the Left and the spineless Greens The lack of objectivity and violent reaction to scrutiny is a hallmark of the left,in fact Stalinist,,your preference I gather

    • Reg says:

      09:44pm | 12/01/11

      Hark ... do my eyes deceive me? Quoting Zeus the God of War; “A Bolt I believe is a moderate, the fact that he is not radical tends to annoy,which Is better than radical because it annoys the Left and the spineless Greens”

      Moderate? But he doesn’t annoy the faux-liberals? I call that biased but you are free to follow your own. I don’t normally read what he has to say anyway. Perhaps I should admire his tendency here to support the underdog? Most admirable, but rather telling about those he supports.

    • ibast says:

      02:34pm | 13/01/11

      Spot on.  Bolt is trying to connect the Democrats in the US with Labor here.  In fact the US Democrats would be outside of Australian politics at the moment.  In Australia our two major parties are a Conservative party and a Labor party.  The US democrats would have previously lived within the old Liberal party, but they’ve all died off since 1996.

    • persephone says:

      09:58am | 12/01/11

      It’s all so convenient, isn’t it?

      Politicians of any hue can say anything they like - and if a nutter takes it seriously, and nasty things happen as a result, their supporters will say ‘well, he’s a nutter. Who knows what goes on in these people’s minds?”

      Andrew, you’re always bleating about people taking responsibility.

      Whether Palin is a at fault or not, surely she should recognise the possible impact of her rhetoric on others and temper it accordingly?

      Or is it only the Left who you think needs to take responsibility for their actions?

    • MarK says:

      11:29am | 12/01/11

      Oh course not dear.

      That is why BoltA got a liberal member sacked just prior to the last Victorian election.

      Of course that never gets mentioned.

      It sort of makes the calls of his impartiality suspect, boorish, self serving and incorrect. And that just will not do will it?

    • Zues says:

      03:35pm | 12/01/11

      @peresphone ” Whether Palin is at fault or not” this is the icing on the cake
      Your brainwashed mantra reciting morons is exactly the type who buys a gun and cuts loose in a crowd, the type that dont think for themselves freedom of speech is not controlled by the labor party or anyone else ,,viva Wikileaks
      The fact that you actually consider Palin could be responsible and you cant recant now shows your shallow depth and the true Dullard you are,an ignoramus stupendous

    • Reg says:

      06:09pm | 12/01/11

      @Zues ...    “Your brainwashed mantra reciting morons is exactly the type who buys a gun and cuts loose in a crowd, the type that dont think for themselves freedom of speech is not controlled by the labor party or anyone else ,,viva Wikileaks’—- Careful Zues you’re sounding a bit brainwashed yourself. Just because ABolt says it is so, does not make it fact. He has belatedly grasped an emotional issue with which to beat both sides. In fact there is only ONE issue, the fact that someone in the US finds it advantageous to create violent political disagreement.

      It’s obviously Andrew Bolt who maintains that (some?) people are blaming Sarah Palin, otherwise he wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. In the US, freedom of speech is not controlled at all, but it is in Australia. Perhaps the originators of the Australian Constitution had the foresight to perceive the potential chaos of a Fox Network gone feral. Yes I do mean to infer, mad-dogs.

      MarK, I think you owe us an explanation.

    • Reg says:

      08:47pm | 12/01/11

      Nothing there to listen to but reading some of the comments it seems that the venerable A Bolt was doing a job for the faux-liberal as the faceless dissociated helper. The Yes Minister plod. I can’t tell anything from the disjointed Fascist input.  smile Thanks. Do better next time please.

    • MarK says:

      11:35pm | 12/01/11

      Reg says:

        08:47pm | 12/01/11

      “Nothing there to listen to..”

      Are you seriously suggesting you do not know what a hyperlink is or how to follow it? Really? Seriously? Laughable.

      http://www.mtr1377.com.au/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=7019

      Direct link.

      ” but reading some of the comments it seems that the venerable A Bolt was doing a job for the faux-liberal as the faceless dissociated helper.”


      No reading some of the comments means nothing. Yet you choose to comment as if you have listened to the interview.Classy

      ” The Yes Minister plod. I can’t tell anything from the disjointed Fascist input.  smile Thanks. Do better next time please.”

      What this means is even led to water you cannot find it.

      Wow just wow. Your opinion is based on bias and nothing less.

      Must be sad to be you.

    • Reg says:

      09:20am | 13/01/11

      Not at all, I told you that my perception was based on the limited impression the content offered, I made no attempt to conceal the facts or mislead you.  I cannot make an apology for the comments of the correspondents you referred me to. Thank you for the correction and comments which seem the more premature considering you were in possession of the facts.  I thought you office worker were supposed to be pretty good at joining the dots, why this obvious disparity?

    • MarK says:

      10:20am | 13/01/11

      Still can’t work out that internet radio thingy eh Reg.

      I love it. Because Reg can’t work the internet it didn’t happen.

      HAHAHAHAHA

    • Reg says:

      11:10am | 13/01/11

      Got to give it to you MarK, you hang your hat on the flimsiest of pegs. No matter the facts the reality was that the listeners had their noses rubbed in the fear of boat people invading their community from start to finish. Pretty obviously a set-up to make way for a better candidate. Anyone we know? 

      Anyhow absolutely no different to what the faux-liberals have been doing for ages. I guess the poor bastard was a sacrifice to reduce the heat on the rest of the fawning faux-liberals and such an obvious ploy to bring back some cred to the right-leaning Andrew Bolt. But mate ... it was rather evil of you to expose me to that waffling Joe Hockey piece.

      But at least he’s more entertaining than Sarah Palin, especially when asked if John Howard had screwed up.  *Stammer… splutter…  spit… *

    • Hamish says:

      10:00am | 12/01/11

      Good stuff AB. Another classic example of blatantly hypocritical leftist media schadenfreude.

    • Reg says:

      07:08pm | 12/01/11

      10am, I guess you’d only woken when your wrote that Hamish but don’t worry, just follow along blindly accepting Andrew Bolt’s insinuations. He has absolutely no idea what proportion of the US population fits his picture he’s just told you what he wants you to believe and like an unthinking zombie you follow along slavishly.

    • Sonia says:

      10:06am | 12/01/11

      The only good to come from this whole tragedy is that it has exposed the lack of depth to Sarah Palin. You will never convince the exteme right of this but moderate republicans (or anyone with a brain wel maybe not you Andrew but luckily you dont get to vote) will ensure she doesnt get the nomination in 2012. I blame John McCain. Hes the one who plucked her from obscurity

    • Craig Shannon says:

      10:58am | 12/01/11

      Well Andrew one thing seems well disregarded on this subject, the victim herself warned of this in respect of the Palin campaign so all other pundits aside, im prepared to take on board the person who gave a public warning about the climate being generated and then copped it point blank in the head. You just go on being a hero in your ivory tower mate and then one day you may remember the 9 year old victim in this and the country she is growing up with the Palins and the Fox New crap…you just keep making excuses for them all ..go on !

    • Jim says:

      11:17am | 12/01/11

      I don’t know why you bother Andrew, but I am extremely grateful that you do.

    • St. Michael says:

      11:33am | 12/01/11

      *Shrug*  Morons running around shooting politicians is nothing new, especially in the US.  Hell, JFK—a Democrat President—was gunned down by Lee Harvey Oswald (on the orthodox view of history, anyway) and Oswald used to hand out flyers in support of Castro.  John Wilkes Booth was a Southern sympathiser.  And the guy who put a bullet in Ronald Reagan wanted to impress Jodie Foster.

      The point being that ascribing cohesive, or even comprehensible, political motives to them either way is usually a dumb exercise because these idiots are almost without exception batshit insane.  Even as troubled as Eric, Shane from Melbourne, and Paul Neri et. al. might get about Labor and the Left I find it very hard to believe any of them would seriously consider picking up a gun and taking a few potshots at Julia Gillard from a convenient sniper position somewhere on the lawn of Parliament House.  (nosthow and fairsfair I imagine would probably do the same in relation to Tony Abbott.)

      The real issue here is that the cultural background in the US of owning guns or having ready access to guns.  And we’re not talking here about Bob Katter wanting to keep the foxes off his chooks, we’re talking about country whose lightest gun controls resulted in a state (Arizona) where you can still carry a concealed handgun for personal defence, including in church, as if it were the 1880s and you need to be ready to throw down against Clint Eastwood in the main street at high noon.

      The invective of violence coming from both sides of the line contributes to that.  If guns are available in a community without much legal controls, they will be brandished and/or fired in the air, usually with burning effigies somewhere nearby.  And to some extent the shooting is bitter irony: Giffords, as a supposed “moderate” Democrat, was against gun control.  When you combine that with the supposed “downhome-iness” of the politicians having town meetings and so on (something that hasn’t quite taken off as a local import here yet) you create an environment where this type of thing is primed to happen.

      It’s rather like having a rule that you’re allowed to smoke around a petrol bowser.  Sure, most of the time there won’t be a problem.  But the times when there are a problem, they are usually a BIG problem.

    • fairsfair says:

      11:51am | 12/01/11

      I totally agree. Though I would firstly like to point out that I am a fan of Tones but anti Nosthow wink

      The issue I see (in the politicising of all of this) is that in the event of past political assasinations the politician and their protection are usually the only intended targets and generally the only people injured/killed. In this event he was shooting at everyone. She was also not his first target. He killed a child before he got to her. That indicates to me that he was just insane and this was just a mass shooting at his local shopping centre. Did he even know that she was going to be there? Perhaps he did choose that location on her presence - but mostly only for notoriety. He has no links to right wing extremism as yet and probably had no care who it was - just as long as it was someone known.

      Like if I chose to shoot up Bondi the other week - The Hoff was there. It is not that I detest Baywatch and everything it stands for - could it just be that I would achieve maximum impact and notoriety? If this was intended to be his last hurrah (I am sure would have shot himself or assumed he would be shot - only that woman stopped him from reloading) he would have planned it to have maximum impact.

      He is one troubled b*stard and he has been removed from society, even though it is a bit too late. I totally agree about the gun control, but just imagine their reaction to the revocation or amendment to their “right to bare arms”. The first thing they would do would buy ammo. I can’t see it going as well as the voluntary buy back scheme that went on here.

      Tis a sad state of affairs, but how many times has it got to happen?

    • St. Michael says:

      01:16pm | 12/01/11

      @ fairsfair: Hey! Don’t Hassle the Hoff! smile

    • St. Michael says:

      01:48pm | 12/01/11

      @ fairsfair: P.S. Considering my own gleeful violation of Strunk and White’s corpses I acknowlledge it’s hypocritical to try and pedant-proof posters’ pronouncements (see what I did there?), but—it’s the “right to bear arms”, not the “right to bare arms.”

      Although neither term is really that helpful.  “The right to bare arms” is something women in burqas probably have to argue for in some of our more hilarious nations on the planet (think about it), whilst “right to bear arms” could either mean:

      (a) You have a right to conceive and bring to full term a Colt .45; or
      (b) You have a right to own the same rifles that Yogi Bear carries around.

      wink

    • fairsfair says:

      02:39pm | 12/01/11

      You know I did read that when I typed it and I was a bit confused for a couple of seconds, eventually going with the wrong choice. I did chuckle to myself at having the “right to wear a singlet”, but then I was also confused as to whether or not it gave one the “right to not manscape your arm hair resulting in grizzly arms”. Being a “lady” though I am shocked at how sexist that is

      I see grizzly bear arms is correct in this instance wink I say with the pedantic - it makes things interesting.

      That was funny smile

    • Reg says:

      07:47pm | 12/01/11

      @fairsfair, please don’t confuse me, should I be reading you with a John Cleese voice in my head of a Gloria Hard-Faced Bitch voice? It matters.

    • BennyBoy says:

      11:38am | 12/01/11

      I see your point Andrew. From my perspecive, If i was am American I would be a moderate Republican (I.e. pro-free trade, pro choice, social liberal). The language of Sarah Palin and the general vitriolic atmosphere of the 24/7 cable news culture creates hate and instigates extremists on both the left and right (most notably the right).

      I am not saying that she (or the Tea Party, Fox News or Rush Limbaugh) are to blame but they must shoulder some responsibility. The shooter was obviously deranged but the general social environment impacts on one’s state of mind.

      This also highlights the stupidity of the USA’s liberal gun culture. While it may be true that “People Kill People”, it is easier to kill someone with a gun than without. I would implore the American legislators to stand up to the NRA, restrict the guns and make America great again.

    • macca-d says:

      12:33pm | 12/01/11

      Totally agree with you, BennyBoy. 

      Deranged psycho + violent gun culture =
      Recipie for disaster.

      The blame for Americas violent gun culture goes back further than Sarah Palin, but she’s obviously not helping to solve that problem.

    • will saunders says:

      12:21pm | 12/01/11

      You stupid people, can’t you all see that Andrew Bolt prints this crap just to stir you guys up. He and the rest of mainstream media are doing a Zionism on you,  divide and conquer.

    • Tombowler says:

      01:13pm | 12/01/11

      “...doing a Zionism on you”

      Dude,  this is the sort of incoherent, psychotic crap that the gunman was known to spout…

      I ain’t going to any of those “community cabinets” in your electorate Mr Saunders. (I call you Mr Saunders because that is how you will doubtlessly be referred to in the media (or alternatively “The defendant”))  At least you’ll have to be bloody well trained with 5-shot mags in a bolt/lever/pump action rifle to get 30 shots off….

    • stephen says:

      01:01pm | 12/01/11

      Communism and neo-nazism are not only against each other, but more importantly, together, they are against Democracy.
      Shooting someone certainly is anti-democratic, and it may be a useless exercise determining what side of the political the shooter’s on.
      I agree with the writer, that Sarah is innocent of the charge of murder or its incitement, but not of mischief. (But she certainly has been mischiefed against : those comments on letterman’s show and from Ms.Berhardt’s gob should have been muffled). Those spots on the map do look like cross-hairs, and we do know America does like its advertized symbols, but the ‘deer-hunter’ visuals were un-wise.
      I think all those talk-show hosts should invite loughner onto a show, so that we can know just how indignant a talk-show host can get.
      Ms.Gifford, I hope, will be well soon.

    • Ryan says:

      01:44pm | 12/01/11

      @stephen: actually Stephen, Hitler was a socialist, in fact he was the leader of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party was he not?
      Socialism is less than a hop, skip and a jump from full blown communism and in comparing them in the political world communism and socialism would be like non-identical twins and democracy being completely unrelated.
      It is always stupefying to see the lefties of the world attempt to tag Hitler as right wing, just like Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mugabe and just about any other nutjob the world has ever seen. If only they knew what a low, disgusting, twisted lack of respect for human life they stood for.

    • St. Michael says:

      01:53pm | 12/01/11

      @ Ryan: it’s notable that Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore also rode the Leftie tiger into power, but then quickly shot it between the eyes once he was there.

      Most dictators gain power through or with the assistance of so-called workers’ parties or unions to begin with, mostly because they’re about gaining and holding power.  But once the dictator is in that position, the party becomes a competitor for power, and the explicitly (as opposed to practicality) altruistic platform of the party becomes an inconvenience.  Hitler didn’t let the trade unions stick around once the Nazis were in power—he carted them away just as he did with the Jews, Catholics, homosexuals and anyone else who opposed him.

    • James1 says:

      02:45pm | 12/01/11

      Ryan,

      In that case, Kim Jong Il is a democrat.  He is, after all, the leader of the People’s Democratic Republic of Korea.  If you believe what you do about Hitler, you logically must believe the same about Mr Kim.

      Hitler was a right wing authoritarian.  Yes, they do exist, and yes, Hitler was one.  Look at the Nazi Party and its policies, the coalition with conservative parties that it made, and its implaccable opposition to communism, and then try again, this time using some facts.  You could even look at much of Hitler’s own writing and speeches, as well as the speeches of countless other Nazi Party luminaries, for evidence that they did not consider themselves, and indeed were not, socialists in the sense that you are talking about.  National Socialism was an entirely different beast to Marxist socialism - indeed, it was set up in direct opposition to the German Socialist and Social Democratic parties, and to a lesser extent the German Communist Party.  If you had any knowledge of European history or political philosophy, you would understand this.  Hitler purged all of the traditional socialists (the Nazi’s left faction) from the Nazi Party in the late 1920s, after forging an alliance with conservative groups like the organisation that represented German veterans of the First World War.  Hitler also gained the support of President Hindenburg - a staunch conservative and traditionalist.  Indeed, Hindenburg largely gave his support to Hitler’s bid for Chancellor because of the growing strength of the Communist and Socialist Parties.

      If you have any evidence to counter this - other than your gullible acceptance of the veracity of the Party’s name - please present it.  Furthermore, I am sure that several academic history journals would love to peer review and publish this new evidence that you have brought to light.  What I find stupefying is that you accept such a name at face value, or that evil comes in both left and right wing forms.  Plus the staggering lack of knowledge about history and the world that such a position betrays.  That is actually quite scary - how can we expect to avoid another such as Hitler or Stalin if we don’t even understand what they stood for?

    • Ryan says:

      09:25am | 13/01/11

      @James1: nice try on Kim Jong ill, is that the very best you have? What party brought him to power.. oh yes the “Workers’ Party of Korea”, LEFT WING NUT-JOB. I never claimed that their policies after gaining election was anything other than their own twisted sense of governance, what I claimed is these nut-jobs ALL come from the LEFT of politics and remain LEFTY nut-jobs regardless of what psychosis they indulge in once elected.
      I know its hard to accept that you support a side of politics that has a long history of blood on its hands, keep washing.

    • Ryan says:

      09:29am | 13/01/11

      @James1: here let me quote you something

      “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”—Adolf Hitler

      Sounds mighty left to me.

    • James1 says:

      10:02am | 13/01/11

      Ah so you have one quote.  Stack that up against absolutely everything else he ever did or said, and it means nothing.  The historical records shows that Hitler did no such thing.

      I do not support the left.  I am just disturbed by the collective amnesia displayed by those on the extreme right about the nature of Nazism.  It seems like a vehicle for the resurgence and rehabilitation of far-right nationalist politics.  I am also disturbed by useful idiots rewriting history so as to bring the far-right back into the acceptable mainstream.  It is you who is trying to wash your hands, my friend.  Just accept that the far right is just as capable of evil as the far left, because that is the reality.  However from your previous posts on this site, I am well aware that reality and facts are just impediments to you forming an opinion.  You and your fellow far right nationalist apologists scare the crap out of me.

    • Reg says:

      08:45am | 14/01/11

      Ryan, you’re a fool. Selectively quoting Hitler will lead you to any political outlook that suited him at that moment. After WWI the defeated people felt they had been used by the Royalty of Europe. (See Russia 1918) The revolt against authority naturally led to aspects of Communism that Hitler turned to his use by siding with the people. That’s what the SA was about and why it had to be publicly repudiated once Hitler had seen that his attachment to the left, ( as you call it,) was NOT going to get him within cooee of being Chancellor. For that he had to inveigle his way into the good-books of the German banking fraternity. Yes German ... not Jewish, they were gone.  Your attempts at rewriting history are most disturbing but then what should we expect from a typically shallow faux-liberal.

    • Simon says:

      06:22pm | 14/01/11

      Sorry James and Reg but your both wrfong whether you and ” Academics” like it or not.  Hitlers policies were not inherently fascist( Mussolini)  nor was the direction of his governement, if anything he was just a better communist than Stalin.  Cold War historians tend to overplay their audience which invariably ended up being ex consripts.  During WWII it became apparent that the Allies were going to have to side with Russia whom they had just spent 20 years denigrating and oppressing supporters of.  After violently repressing communists during the depression it became sort of obvious that they would have to distinguish between Stalinism and Hitlerism if they wanted to have a credible working relationship.  Phase 2 started at the end of the war when America was borrowing Nazi experts and needed to pretend they were different to those evil Soviets.  Really it’s all somantics but it’s all socialism, socialism by plutarky or socialism by oligarchy whoo hoo big systemic differences.  Hitler was Socialist who liked uniformity and cleanliness, Stalin was a Socialist who liked individualism and security but both were socialists.  Only socialist idealists attempt to reorder society in an inorganic fashion.  Fascists tend to work with what they’ve got and achieve a sort of common standard among disparate groups(admittedly by persecution and banishment).  Modern western democracy is a poor but none the less legitimate descendant of the Fascist mentality not of socialism which is invariably just a another word for “theft by those in power”.

    • The Badger says:

      01:12pm | 12/01/11

      “It took just hours for the media to finger the villain responsible for the shooting of US Democratic congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.”
      No, the villain was captured as he attempted to - as Palin put it reload not retreat.

      You attempt to absolve Palin of any complicity in this by pointing to liberal criticism of her hateful language and her crosshairs image.  Excellent strategy Bolt.
      Your immediate and simplistic view that there is a no “connection between [Right wing] violent rhetoric and what happened in Arizona on Saturday” is ludicrous. Of course, it is early days and no one knows why this deranged person committed this despicable act. Perhaps the fullness of time will shed some light on his motivations and whether he in fact was influenced by Palin and the right wing media, but I think the sheriff had it right when he said such unbalanced individuals can be influenced by all the vitriolic rhetoric.

      “There’s no proof this rhetoric affected the deranged Mr Loughner” – No there isn’t, so you would like us to just ignore the likely hood that there is a connection between the hate filled rhetoric of Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly to name a few. These individuals appear to be your role models, so why am I not surprised that you would dismiss any criticism of them?

      Look over there, a leftie criticizing Bush
      You try to apportion blame to the left and level the playing field by pointing out examples of “left wing” hate. This is about Gifford and the role of the right wing rabble rousers who incite hate and violence. Your attempt to distract from the role Palin and the likes of Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly et al, is childish – Look over there, a leftie criticizing Bush.
      Right wing apologists like you are scrambling to absolve Palin and her cheer squad of any complicity.  Free speech in America does not allow people to YELL fire in a theatre and later use the “we were just joking” defence.

      To right wingers like yourself, the facts mean nothing as evidenced by your global warming nonsense. You lot have gotten a mainstream voice by arguing that the absence of your opinion no matter how ridiculous screams left wing bias. Well, most of us have had enough of your nonsense.

      The killing of these people in Arizona can be compared to the killing last week in Pakistan of a politician who disagreed with changes to Pakistans blasphemy law. Both perpetrators are clearly “sick” individuals that had access to weapons and hateful rhetoric. One got his motivation from radical Islamic clerics, the other from Fox, Sarah Palin’s, Glenn Becks, Rush Limbaughs and Bill O’Reillys of the world.

      To the Punch.
      To include an article from someone from the left side of politics who would argue that there is a direct connection between the violent rhetoric of Palin and her right wing cheerleaders and the events in Arizona would show a bit of balance.

    • Ben81 says:

      01:28pm | 12/01/11

      “Of course, it is early days and no one knows why this deranged person committed this despicable act.”

      Great so calm down, read something objectively for once, and perhaps realise that’s the whole point.  It’s a jab at those who tried to play judge, jury and executioner over it and made up their mind that it was Sarah Palin’s fault while it was nothing more than breaking news.

    • TimB says:

      02:08pm | 12/01/11

      Innocent until proven guilty. Ever heard of it Badger?

    • Bobster says:

      02:24pm | 12/01/11

      But we pay no attention to the mob on the right who ran straight out and blamed the left over the same incident?

      Both sides are as bad as each other. Bolt’s one of them and Bolt has no relevance to anyone interested in anything objective.

      The fact that he has appropriated the title “journalist” is a national bloody disgrace.

    • TimB says:

      02:49pm | 12/01/11

      Who went out and blamed the Democrats for the shooting Bobster? I’m interested to know.

      If you’re inferring Bolt did, I confess I have trouble seeing where he’s said that at all. Of course you do have your own special way of interpreting words so…..

    • Reg says:

      03:06pm | 12/01/11

      TimB since the spread of powerful arms in the US community, the police have been forced to adopt arms that will balanced the equation. (I hope you see the origin of the escalation. Imported arms.) This has resulted in the adage, “innocent until proven guilty” becoming old fashioned. Sure you can shelter behind the law but the reality is different. No doubt the slaying of those four police in Tacoma recently has resulted and an even harder approach to the armed gunman of Tacoma the home town of most US serial killers. I bet Sarah Palin is now a gun carrier if she wasn’t already and she has to commute via Seatac only 10 miles from Tacoma, a leftie town. All I can suggest to balance the equation is a machine gun attack on Fox News, no doubt its presenters would not mind dying in a hail of bullets for the cause they so clearly advocate.

      No, maybe not. .

    • TimB says:

      04:14pm | 12/01/11

      Reg, maybe it’s just because it’s late and i’m tired. But I’ll be buggered if I can find even a hint of a relevant point in your post.

    • Bobster says:

      04:23pm | 12/01/11

      Who mentioned Democrats? And what do the Republicans have to do with the price of eggs either, while we’re at it?

      Palin is a loudmouthed moron who would have known better if she was a politicians arsehole. She’s not and she didn’t, you won’t find any causal link but anyone with even a handful of functioning neurons might see this as somewhat of a warning about inflammatory rhetoric.

      The rapid right has a long, long history of inciting, be it accidentally or intentionally, nutcases to violence. It’s worth talking about.

      Now, you can do your own research, but there was a torrent from the right commentators in the US yesterday and the day before who were doing their level best to build a link to the left.

      Their findings: Jared smoked dope (must be a lefty, lefties love dope).
      Jared owned a copy of Marx - COMMUNIST!
      Jared owned a copy of Mein Kampf - COMMUNIST! (Although this continually confuses me as it is politically impossible to be both communist and nazi.)

      But in Bolt’s hurry to sling shit at the left for slinging shit at the right, he managed to miss all of that.

      Well, actually, we know he didn’t. He was well aware of it but omitted it intentionally.

      And for this reason, Bolt reminds me very much of a dog I owned as a child. She was dumber than a brick but as cunning as a shithouse rat. Just like Andrew.

      I’d trust the objectivity of his selective arguments for about as long as I could comfortably swim in a cesspit.

    • MarK says:

      05:31pm | 12/01/11

      Ok kids gather around.

      Read the post by Badger. Then read Reg’s post. Then Bobster’s.

      Then heed this lesson.

      Do not post when you are angry and filled with righteous indignation and ideological zeal.

      You end up incomprehensible and sounding plain silly.

    • TimB says:

      05:41pm | 12/01/11

      Bobster, the amorphous “Left” is not a specific person or group. It’s merely an idealistic stance. You can easily attempt to place a pesons beliefs on the political spectrum. And by that same token I wouldn’t care if they’d described the guy as “right wing”.
      But that’s not what happened. The first thing the media did was try and draw a link from the guy to Palin, and Republican/Tea Party rhetoric. Specific people, specific political entities, that they could blame. That is the issue.

      Show me where anyone has tried to draw a connection from this guy to someone specific on the Left or a specific party such as the Democrats. Then you might have a point. Until then you have nothing.

    • Reg says:

      08:34pm | 12/01/11

      Can’t help it if you’re a selective reader MarK ....    *

            TimB says:

            02:08pm | 12/01/11

            Innocent until proven guilty. Ever heard of it Badger?

      ‘cos MarK sure missed it. Now about that reference that has nothing to hear?  You still owe us an explanation mate.

      ...

    • TimB says:

      09:13pm | 12/01/11

      Reg again I have to ask:

      What the hell is your point?

    • Reg says:

      10:10am | 13/01/11

      Goodness gracious another faux-liberal who can’t join the dots.

      I’ll spell it out for you then. Your claim that the gunman is “innocent until proven guilty” is rather sad in light of the actuality.

      This is a marvelous principal which the escalating gun violence in the US has bypassed for all except the rich. I cannot see this gentleman’s family mortgaging to the hilt and beyond, to rescue their sibling. (I don’t recall whether Arizona still has the death penalty or not, I think it has.) They have it for the same reason that this poor political victim supported the gun lobby. Failure to do so threatened immediate political defeat and terminated any possibility of improvements.

      When a guy uses a gun in the US, he might just as well be waving a “shot me” flag, because everyone except the passive anti-gun Democrats, have guns. Unless he is rescued from the marauders he has few options, none of which, in reality,  include the “innocent until proven guilty” option.

      First, “Suicide at his own hand or by arrangement.”

      Second, “Death by cop.”

      Third, “An agonising capture followed by a plea bargain.”

      Total absence of any option of innocence. Now apply this principle to the flag-waving, gun toting Sarah Palin and friends. Arizona and WA might be a long way apart but if Sarah has riled any “filthy rotten leftie angst” she has in fact targeted herself. 

      We in Australia have adopted the same US plea-bargain path to avoid that awful cost of providing justice.

      Did you know that plea-bargaining is ILLEGAL in the UK? 

      Anyhow it all just another nail in the coffin of Australian justice as we seek to import the worst America has to offer, just to satisfy the fawning faux-liberals who can’t join the dots that show the trend is away from Democracy.

      To alter this situation in Australia is about as difficult as removing guns from the US scene. People clamour for revenge or the option of revenge, even if the accused is innocent and for no other reason than the fact that justice is too expensive for all but the rich upper class. Fortunately we have a situation where judges are appointed and NOT elected. This offers some protection but not that much.

    • Bobster says:

      11:09am | 13/01/11

      @ TimB,

      So you started that one by pointing out that there isn’t actually a registration form to join “the left”.

      Thanks for that.

      I thought it was an incorporated body - no wonder my demands to see the constitution have fallen on deaf ears.

      The bloke I’ve been phoning has probably been highly annoyed by repetitive phone calls.

      Bit of a non-sequitor to then insist it’s completely unfair that no left-leaning organisation has been tarred with accusations, given that you (correctly, for once) seem to believe no such central body exists.

      So you’re upset that the populist right bore the brunt instead of the radical left?

      Could I suggest that’s because it’s the populist right that has named itself “The Tea Party” and spent the couple of years running around talking about revolution?

      Of course, it may also have a bit to do with the right’s flacid attempt to make a left wing connection to the shooting by citing little more than his book case and some dope in his apartment.

      Don’t throw all the blame at the left.

      Both sides were just as bad, it’s just that your argument was so pissweak it never got much play.

    • TimB says:

      11:38am | 13/01/11

      Bobster, are you being intentionally dense?

      Of course the Left has representative bodies. In the US the main one is the Democrats
      . My point was, neither they, or any of their members was specifically targeted as to blame for this. Nor has anyone come out and said in general terms that “it’s people on the Left, or the Democrats that are responsible for this”
      All they’re saying is that the guy seemed to have Leftist beliefs. And FYI I personally am not blaming the “Left”. I’m going to blame the crazy guy with the gun. No-one else.

      On the other side of the coin, you have specific people and orgnizations (Palin, the Republicans, and the Tea Party) being blamed /personally for what happened. Are you able to see the glaring difference between the two situations?

      @ Reg, seeing as my previous response doesn’t seem to have gotten through, I’ll try again.

      You have misunderstood who I was referring to when I said “innocent until proven guilty”. I didn’t mean the gunman, they have witnesses to that, I’d say it’s pretty clear he’s guilty.

      Who I meant was Palin et al, the people who are being held indirectly responsible for the shootings. Badger is saying that even though there’s no proof of this, he still think’s it’s likely. And you’re using the same argument with the challenge “prove that they’re not responsible”.

      That’s not how proof works. You guys have to prove there is a conclusive link with hard evidence before you can claim Palin et al are guilty of anything.

    • Bobster says:

      12:33pm | 13/01/11

      Only read the first two lines of that one, Timmy.

      It’s still up in the air for me if you’re intentionally obtuse or if you were born that way, but I’m done.

      On the strength of that post, I’ve got no option but to declare you either a troll or a fool and I’ve no time for either.

      But if I may offer some parting advice, it’s learn to read. That was pathetic.

    • TimB says:

      01:25pm | 13/01/11

      I see Bobster. You’re another one of those people that sees when he’s lost the debate and decides “not to read” a post so he doesn’t have to admit it. You’re as bad as Seano.

      And FYI you don’t get to use phrases like “on the strength of that post” to conclude anything if you didn’t read said post as you claim. The phrase “learn to read” is even more ironic under the circumstances.

    • Seano says:

      03:41pm | 13/01/11

      Tiny Timmy I stopped reading your rant after you admitted manufacturing my arguments rather than reading and responding to what I actually wrote. Seemed fair.

    • Reg says:

      05:35pm | 13/01/11

      @TimB ... “Who I meant was Palin et al, the people who are being held indirectly responsible for the shootings. Badger is saying that even though there’s no proof of this, he still think’s it’s likely.”

      As I said, you can hide behind the law but in the heightened political gun climate reinforced by this tragedy, few are likely to escape the wrath of the motivated assassin, no matter how innocent you claim Palin is. The gauntlet has been thrown and the law diminished. If there is no attack on Palin it will be due to the moderation of those “hateful leftists” or because she hides her lovely ass in Alaska. As the days pass without a response, the case for Andrew Bolt apologizing to the LEFT becomes stronger and stronger. If a Palin attack happens, then Andrew can say “I told you so.”

      By the way, if AB finds it within himself to apologise for his horrendously incorrect image of the nasty left, it is only right and proper that you and yours come forth with a matching apology. How long should we wait?

    • TimB says:

      06:16pm | 13/01/11

      Seano that’s not what happened and you know it.

      Stop lying.

    • Seano says:

      08:53pm | 13/01/11

      I’ve quoted it to you before. I’m not interested in playing your silly games.

      Rant on your own.

    • TimB says:

      11:11pm | 13/01/11

      No you quoted me something that meant something completely different.

      Once again your double standards come to the fore:

      I attribute something to you that means EXACTLY what you said just slightly different wording and you have a big sook about how I’m putting words in your mouth.

      You then go on to do the same thing to me that you accuse me of by claiming claim I said something that I didn’t. And then you use a quote of mine that doesn’t even mean what you claim it does.

      You are, and remain always, a giant hypocrite.

    • Seano says:

      07:33am | 14/01/11

      You made up an argument I didn’t make based on YOUR ASSUMPTION of what I think and then proceeded to shoot that fallacious argument down to make yourself feel big.

      I’m not interested in talking to you any more until you grow up and find something sensible to contribute. I wont hold my breath, nor will I waste my time reading your childish rants until you do.

    • TimB says:

      09:57am | 14/01/11

      Pfft. No I took what you thought from based on what you’ve actually said. No assumptions, it was all there in black and white. So what if a few words change if they mean the same thing?

      And even when I use your exact words you still have an excuse as to why you won’t stand by them. You always have an excuse. Until you get to the point where you realise how incredibly wrong you are and instead of admitting it, you pull out the childish “I’m taking my ball and going home” tactic. Like just now. Like Bobster did earlier.

      You want to talk about growing up? Stand by your arguments as you make them instead of backpedalling away with excuses all the time.

    • Seano says:

      04:59pm | 14/01/11

      You made up my opinion and then challenged me on something I didn’t say. I’m not interested in you, your rants or your assumptions any longer.

    • Reg says:

      10:15am | 15/01/11

      @TimB… Tim please stop going on about others having double standards when you you write the following…

      Quote; ...“You have misunderstood who I was referring to when I said “innocent until proven guilty”. I didn’t mean the gunman, they have witnesses to that, I’d say it’s pretty clear he’s guilty.”

      Are you seriously saying that the gunman is all washed up with no presumption of innocence but the Palin-Fox Axis of Evil can claim the presumption of innocence because it can afford to?  Your quote I used initially was stand alone without any qualification and it could—and SHOULD—- have applied to all involved.

    • Tracy says:

      01:35pm | 12/01/11

      I wonder if any of The Punch readers will go out and…punch someone?? I mean…wow..look at the imagery! Two fists extending either side of the PUNCH word…
      Let’s just blame Cain and Abel, or Adam and Eve and accept it. Now…I wonder whether I need a body guard to protect myself from a crazed boxer???

    • Bobster says:

      01:53pm | 12/01/11

      Conveniently missed the other half AGAIN, Andrew.

      The right did exactly the same thing, pointing to a copy of one of Marx’s books and Mein Kampf (that great lefty holy text) as proof that it was all because of the communists.

      And don’t forget about the marijuana! Jesus, all pot smokers are lefties and plenty in the Beck, Hannity (dare I say), Bolt camp have been bleating about that one too.

      Go back to carrying on about your “warmists”, at least your pathetic obfuscations there are worth a laugh.

      P.S, I’ve been missing you on the flood issue, man. Isn’t this proof you’ve been right all along about something else? I’m sure it is. Everything that happens is proof of your genius.

      Back in your box.

    • Jai says:

      01:57pm | 12/01/11

      The left defends the right to access violent films, video games, literature and pornography in the name of freedom of speech and choice and insists that there is no evidence that these materials cause violence, sexual assault, rape and murder. If that kind of pervasive, mass distributed, violent, degrading, hateful material can’t have an effect on attitudes and behaviour then I don’t understand how one stupid, bad taste little map can. I think this illustrates the utter hypocracy and selectiveness of the left. I’m no conservative but one thing I’ll give them is consistency. The left on the other hand is all over the place, forever contradicting themselves in their attempts to weasel their way around their blatant hypocracies.

    • Bri says:

      02:03pm | 12/01/11

      @Jai
      Yeah you are right, the right-wingers do have consistency… of being downright inhuman, nasty, bigoted, racist hate-filled a***wipes who want to force their views and beliefs on the rest of the population.

    • St. Michael says:

      02:05pm | 12/01/11

      Suggesting the Right is internally consistent is a bit interesting.  They uniformly support the right to bear arms, support the right to capital punishment by firing squad, gas chamber or electrocution (whichever is the cheapest option) but bleat on that a foetus is a life, life is precious, and that therefore you shouldn’t be able to abort, ever.

      Both sides are selective when they want to be, Jai.  It’s called politics.

    • Bobster says:

      02:08pm | 12/01/11

      Oh that’s easy. It’s because hundreds of studies have shown no link between violence and pornography or video games, and yet throughout human history vitriol has shown a massive tendency to provoke violence.

      It’s called empirical evidence and it is such a pain in the arse .

    • Reg says:

      02:33pm | 12/01/11

      @jai, ... “The left on the other hand is all over the place, forever contradicting themselves in their attempts to weasel their way around their blatant hypocracies.”

      Yes I’ve got to give it to you Jai, the US right-wing have been very consistent about diligently targeting their opponents.

      Quote;  “If that kind of pervasive, mass distributed, violent, degrading, hateful material can’t have an effect on attitudes and behaviour then I don’t understand how one stupid, bad taste little map can.” ??? I guess you’re referring to Fox News and its gang of four.  Speaking of weaseling, do you happen to have read that article by Andrew Bolt?

    • Luce says:

      02:46pm | 12/01/11

      St. Michael, can we just agree that Americans in general, left and right, are assholes?

    • St. Michael says:

      03:24pm | 12/01/11

      @ Luce: the problem being is that some of them aren’t, but their numbers are declining.  The Thoughtful American is an endangered species.

      Me, I like to remember Inspector Louis’ thoughts in Casablanca: “You mustn’t underestimate American blundering, Colonel.  I was with them when they blundered into Berlin in 1918.”

    • Reg says:

      04:08pm | 12/01/11

      Luce I must most emphatically disagree. There are far too many great and nice Americans to have the whole lot dismissed so. Far the nastiest come from the right who also hog the publicity machine. The living standards in the US are much lower than in Australia and many are forced onto the defensive. Throw in guns and drugs and the right to say anything without restriction, (Fox) and the mix is explosive. Most workers are convinced that the Republicans have the system rigged and refuse to waste their time participating in a rigged political machine. Exactly as the Republicans would have it.

    • Jai says:

      07:27pm | 12/01/11

      Bobster, there’s plenty of empirical research and other evidence, such as police, court and historical records that contradict your ‘hundreds of studies’ to show that violent materials can influence human attitudes and behaviours, both in civil life and during war and political atrocities. At the very least, these materials can create a social and political atmosphere conducive to violence and have a reinforcing, encouraging effect on individuals. Political vitriol also comes in many forms. What would you call a depiction of a man shoving a woman’s head down a toilet as he rapes her for example (Hustler magazine)? A tender expression of love for women? If it were a black man or a Jew with their head in the toilet the liberal left would be the first to call it hate speech. And that’s my point. There’s a logical disconnect on the liberal left if they can say that a picture of a map with crosshairs and some harsh, ignorant words bandied about in political debate can play a role in a man committing an act of horrendous violence, but mass distributed, gratuitously explicit and violent, sexist, racist, homophobic and degrading materials that saturate our society are completely harmless and have no influence whatsoever on human thoughts, attitudes or actions.

      I’m not a supporter of the political right, I’m not suggesting that that they don’t commit acts of complete bastardry or that their political vitriol had no impact on this crime. I happen to think that it did. I’m just saying there’s a certain consistency to the logic of the right, however demented and destructive that logic may be, based on their conservative, religious world view. The liberal left on the other hand is all over the place, chopping and changing with the wind according to whatever suits them at the time, apparently oblivious to their own hypocrisy and bastardry when it seems like their own, often self indulgent interests might be threatened. Yes, maybe that’s just politics. I just don’t like to see the liberal left getting up on it’s high horse about this incident when it’s so blatantly hypocritical about violent speech in other areas. It grates on my nerves.

    • Bobster says:

      10:57am | 13/01/11

      I’d like to see some of that evidence about violent video games. Apparently you’re the only one who’s ever managed to find it.

      As for vitriol, the right were out just as quick as the left. But, as I’ve said on here already, the left doesn’t have a moron poster child like Palin, who is so easy to kick.

    • TimB says:

      11:23am | 13/01/11

      I dunno Bobster. Stephen Conroy comes off as a pretty easy target to most of us.

      Although that’s mostly restricted to IT stuff.

    • fred firth says:

      02:11pm | 12/01/11

      Well thank goodness that Andrew Bolt has the courage to stand against the swelling tide of repression that is so eagerly embraced by Australian people who still think the Labour Party is the party for the people or Americans who think the Democrats have anything at all to do with democracy.

      I marched in protest when Gough Whitlam was removed from office. I voted for Harold Wilson’s Labour Party when I lived in England in the 1960’s. I was devastated when John Kennedy was shot, but in the past 20 years it has become evident that the principals that gave the Labour Party, and the US Democrats, the dignity and moral authority to rightfully claim power have been discarded and replaced with hollow rhetoric and shallow people.

      It was as if someone with aspirations of nothing but power said “I have an idea that I got from this book called 1984. It says this; You will be hollow. We shall squeeze you empty and then we shall fill you with ourselves. ...Let’s do that to the Labour party, just like the Democrats did in the US. We will call it moving the goal-posts.”

      So, now we have leaders who make decisions, affecting all our lives, based on statistics gleaned from constructs of special interest focused questions with pre-calculated answers; with the resulting consequence of divided public opinion. Instead of uniting the affections of society we end up with more and more isolation of the individual.

      Today our leaders, dance like marionettes on strings pulled by who knows what, or who, but one thing is evident, it isn’t us.

      The internet has taken the main stream media by surprise. The newspapers, radio and TV have been in control of our thoughts and responses for many years. Now the internet give a voice to all.

      Without the Internet, the Tea Party and Sarah Palin would have been ignored into oblivion. Control of the internet is so important to those who control our lives that any tactic for suppression will be employed. In Australia suppression will take the form of, well we must protect our children or with a national broadband network you will be able to download Justin Biba in 2 seconds instead of 5 seconds.

      In the US it takes the form of CNN asking a middle aged woman in the street “should all this hate on the internet be stopped to avoid another tragedy like the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords and the murder of six other innocent people?” What’s she going to say?

      As with many of the Saul Alinsky methods employed by the US Democrats today, the tactic is cheap and reprehensible and it makes fools of all who fall for it.

    • Stewart Henstock says:

      02:51pm | 12/01/11

      Without the Internet, the Tea Party and Sarah Palin would have been ignored into oblivion

      Interesting…but complete rubbish!!!!!
      Without the internet Obama would have been ignored into oblivion

    • fred firth says:

      05:09pm | 12/01/11

      Yes Stewart Henstock!!!
      I am sure the Internet did help Obama. It’s our last bastion of democracy; after all the Internet even allows nonsense one-liners from people like you to be posted.

      With regard to Obama, Oblivion is hard to attain when you have Oprah, Time, Newsweek and every part of the left wing print and TV media in your corner. Obama strikes me a good man who had to sell his soul to become president.

    • Luce says:

      02:25pm | 12/01/11

      Ms Palin’s words and actions may be dumb and somewhat provocative, but to suggest that they are the primary causal factor in this madman’s attack on Ms Giffords is a bit too much of a stretch.

      Like you say Andrew, he’s mentally unbalanced. A mind like that is much more likely to react to extremism and wild ideas, such as is present in Mein Kampf and A Communist Manifesto, then to Ms Palin’s comments, which are daft, but very mild by comparison.

      I don’t like Palin at all, I think she’s an utter imbecile, but that alone is not enough of a reason to hold her responsible for this horrible occurrence.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      02:46pm | 12/01/11

      This proves the need for universally armed Americans.
      I, for one, will not be satisfied until every able bodied American is carrying a Smith&Wesson;.

      As an added advantage, think of the TV that we’d get.
      Greys Anatomy - The Western.
      Friends - The Western.
      Simpsons - The Western.
      Biggest Loser - The Western.
      Judge Judy - The Western.
      Wife Swap USA - The Western.

      PLUS, if that weren’t reason enough.
      At the end of every news article -> SHOOTOUT !

      Send you cheques to the NRA today. It will be well worth it.

    • NathanRoot says:

      11:31am | 15/01/11

      Mate, could not agree more. Think of the countless tragedies that could be avoided if not only the crazy people had guns. But every single person! Every person waiting in line at a bank, for a taxi, at a bar or on the bus all with their fingers on the trigger….you know, in case some maniac start shooting people. Now that would be safety right there!

    • Stewart Henstock says:

      02:48pm | 12/01/11

      I’m indifferent to Palin but i’m amazed with all the idiots in Aust who believe all the left wing rubbish spouted about her and her family.It’s people like “you” that inbalanced people like the guy in Zona draw their rationale.

    • notSue says:

      02:50pm | 12/01/11

      It’s Andrew Dolt.. oops, Bolt.
      Saw a brilliant tweet today that suggested he be deployed to QLD to sandbag flood affected areas with his bullsh!t!  Best laugh I’ve had amidst all the devastation!

    • Sparky_XII says:

      02:58pm | 12/01/11

      I think across the board we can see the quality of political discourse and media commentary depress. Mr Bolt has simply acknowledged that the discourse and commentary has become simplified, exaggerated and aggressive.

      Naturally his want is to take the context of American political debate and view it through the prism of a shooting which resulted in multiple fatalities, then, apply a progressive-v-conservative “he said she said” spiel devoid of concern for the reality of the shootings before bringing it all home with a dig at Aunty. But what is the point of Mr Bolt’s thought bubble? It appears he likes to play dress-ups, and today like most, he really just wants to feel like he’s in the Bill O’Reilly, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh NeoCon big league…. Sorry Mr Bolt you’re just a bloke over here picking on the ABC.

    • Stewart Henstock says:

      02:59pm | 12/01/11

      As for Gifford ...if any political affiliation “is” responsible for her assassination attempt it would be the left because Gifford seems to be more right than left.
      Of course you all knew that…...right!

    • Adam says:

      03:09pm | 12/01/11

      So let’s get this straight Andrew… you are allowed to attribute these reactions to “the deranged Left” (of which apparently Jane Fonda is a satisfactory spokeswoman), but the individuals in question are not allowed to lay blame so broadly, despite being in the middle of a traumatic national event.
      Palin’s use of language/metaphor is inappropriate, as is the presence of “war” itself as a metaphor for just about every policy initiative, but this language came long before she did and Andrew is quite right in dismissing the suggestion that she is in any way responsible for this awful event. However, it is equally stupid to blame “the Left” - as if holding an ideologically “Left” view (whatever that means) somehow makes you deranged or a part of a Palin lynch-mob.

    • Chris says:

      03:44pm | 12/01/11

      I really do hate Andrew Bolt. I do, however, concede a point here. Albeit a very obvious one.

      While the Michael Tomaskys of the world are right to say that violent political rhetoric will ultimately be reflected in the nation’s culture, I think it’s ridiculous to suggest that the shooter was genuinely motivated by anything other than being a freakin’ nutbar.

      All this Palin bashing really bothers me because it’s only making her stronger. YES her overall philosophies and comments about being able to see Russia from her house are as disturbing as they are hilarious, but things like hounding her for calling Nth Korea an ally? It was just a daft slip of the tongue that could happen to anyone….well, most people.

      Similarly, blaming her for the Tucson shooting is just hysterical knee-jerkism (not a word? Is now) and not only does it add fuel to those who see her as a martyr but, as several people here have pointed out, it deflects attention from the real issue here - that several people, including a child, have been brutally murdered.

    • MarK says:

      05:21pm | 12/01/11

      Quite well said Chris.

      I am “on the other side” politically from you but I really am amazed at the vitriol tossed her way and the street cred Palin gets for free just because some idiots can’t keep their mouth shut and have to try to score a point about anything she utters.

      The focus on Palin is a ridiculous sideshow to a terrible event.

    • James A says:

      03:38pm | 13/01/11

      Hate is a strong word.  A ridiculous word to use against anyone whose creed you don’t share.

      What is it with the left and hate?  Can’t you stand an argument?  Or are you frustrated you are wrong?

      What is it that makes you hate someone?  Disturbing.

    • Andy says:

      10:08pm | 13/01/11

      Chris, you FAIL. Utterly.

      That seeing Russia from her window comment? Tina Fey, Palin IMPERSONATOR.

      Next idiot leftie. This one’s done.

    • Richard says:

      03:53pm | 12/01/11

      Yes, we can’t politicize a tragedy if it might have been caused by the left’s policies, but at the first hint of the shoe being on the other foot its game on.

      But what’s really amazing is the amount of power that liberal progressives are ascribing to Palin. They’re basically saying that Sarah Palin has the power to order the assassination of a political opponent, that she can order her horde of adoring, gun-toting right-wing nutjob sycophants to shoot some one and that her orders will be carried out.

      I don’t know if this assessment by democrat supporters is accurate or not, but what I do predict is that the political violence, the civil disorder in America, will worsen. The Tea Party are not the enemy, they are a real grass roots movement, they arose spontaneously and endogenously in opposition to the corrupt plutocratic bailouts, they are the true untempered voice of the people.

      The enemy are the elitists in both the democrat and republican parties. They will be challenged, there will be fighting. This situation has only just started to unfold I feel.

    • David the Atheist says:

      03:57pm | 12/01/11

      1. Loughner was a registered ‘Republican’ voter (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/zappaisfrank/jllrsc.jpg). He killed a politician (one which he has a long-term fixation with), even if he was mentally disturbed and barely coherent there was still an element of politics in his actions. Judging someone by their book collection is a fairly poor method for determining political persuasion. What is worse is claiming a more thorough assessment via this means by the inclusion of just one or two more books while ignoring several others, the data mining belies your bias Mr Bolt.
      2. Yes, both sides used combative or militant language/imagery, I think it is unfair to point at someone using such devices and claim they were directly responsible for the actions any particular individual takes. The language is reckless, especially in a nation with various levels of firearm availability and extreme elements. Consider a different example, that of Dr Tiller’s murder, Bill O’Reilly (talking head for Fox News) had delivered several stories over several years about Dr Tiller and his abortion service while frequently refering to the man as ‘Dr Tiller Baby Killer’, yet he acted with faux shock and sadness when someone did something to stop ‘the killing’.
      3. Only one side of US politics holds focus on the issue of the 2nd ammendment right to an ‘armed militia’, pundits, politicians and activists in the USA have played this issue to the point of recklessness. Individuals have threatened to turn up to town halls armed ‘the next time’, others have referenced a Thomas Jeferson quote regarding the natural manure for the tree of liberty being the blood of patriots and tyrants, nevermind the dude who attended a town hall meeting with a handgun strapped to his thigh, where the president was speaking. To claim a lack of violent imagery AND capacity is characteristic of ‘the right’ in the USA is dillusional if not dishonest. ‘The left’ on the other hand seem to fall far shorter in terms of violent capacity in the USA.

      Mentally ill or not, this tragedy (which includes the death of a child) requires two focus points for reflection. The first is mental health and the manner in which this individual fell through the system. The second is the language and imagery used my politicians and pundits in their campaigning to drum up support and establish division and fear. Sadly, in every democracy this responsibility ultimately falls to the feet of the people and it is of course the people who have rewarded such tactics in the first place.

    • rick says:

      04:38pm | 12/01/11

      The thing is David the Atheist, their language and imagery is expertly chosen by professionals to appeal directly to their target demographic, the majority of their constituents.

    • Craig says:

      12:16am | 13/01/11

      The registration is fake, but well done. Do a search and see how it’s being lapped up though!

    • rick says:

      04:11pm | 12/01/11

      Mein Kampf AND A Communist Manifesto AND mind control AND murder of unarmed people are ALL included in the price of CIA mind control assassination programs such as Project Monarch and its many derivations.  Imported into the USA, and Australia and many other places too, by ex NAZI scientists after WW2.  It’s existed for a very long time and is all about slavery, which was the openly practiced way of life for many in the US until it was made illegal.

      This is all well documented and admitted publicly, and denied too, by the various agencies and peopled involved and affected.

      It’s the most popular and well documented conspiracy theory in existence, there are none who haven’t heard of this one.

      Yet it doesn’t even rate a mention by the Author of this piece.

      ?

    • the Liberal Loafer says:

      07:10pm | 12/01/11

      Your comment:
      In Australia,the Democrats were once a great party
      On November 6 1999 the Democrats supported he Republicans in the Australia republic referendum.
      The Republicans vanished from the Australian political scene.
      Within one decade, the Democrats also vanished from the Australian political scene.
      Backward third world super power banana republic USA maintained the democrats and republicans.
      his Gabrielle Gifforde murder is what happens when warlike gun happy backward third world superpower banana republics maintain the now outmoded democrats and republican political dimensions.
      Sarah Palin is just the American version of Pauline hansen.
      I blame Labor for anything bad.

    • the Liberal Loafer says:

      07:20pm | 12/01/11

      Your comment:
      perry mason did it

    • Bird man says:

      07:57pm | 12/01/11

      There is a god! ... No there isn’t.  Prove it. No you prove it   See you can’t. There is a god. No there isn’t. Prove it. 

      Ad nauseum. (use above as template for favorite insoluble dispute fuel with Andrew Bolt article and repeat until one person falls asleep).

      Oh you did alrea zzzzzzzzzzz

    • The Badger says:

      11:32pm | 12/01/11

      If there is any good to come out of this tragic event, it is that Palin now has no chance of ever being on the ticket for President of the United States.
      She’s toxic toast.

    • Simon says:

      06:42pm | 14/01/11

      Your entirely wrong there buddy, her public persona has only improved and is now hurting the idiots that dreamt up this propaganda exercise, the democrats.

    • Blind Freddie says:

      09:13am | 13/01/11

      Deranged they may be, Andrew, and Left they may be too, but no amount of name-calling and labelling can take away the facts of the crosshairs and “reload” language that Sarah Palin was personally responsible for, and must therefore accept at least some of the responsibility for the consequences.

    • Darren Parker says:

      10:15am | 13/01/11

      Loughner was a HUGE fan of Anti-Flag. Here is an example of one of their songs -
      A billionaire chatting with his friends
      They’ve gotta stop and laugh
      “We’ve really got those suckers fooled,
      We’ve gotta ‘em trained like rats!”
      The riches plot, control your
      thoughts, to make you blame
      yourself
      “The rich are rich because
      they’re smarter than me..”
      You’re taught this is right,
      that it’s your fault
      KILL, KILL, KILL!!!
      KILL, KILL, KILL!!!
      KILL, KILL, KILL!!!
      KILL, KILL, KILL!!!
      They throw a war like a party saying,
      “It’s for a moral cause..”
      Telling you if you’re a patriot that
      “YOU BETTER DO WHAT YOU’RE TOLD!”
      You burn a flag, you’re gonna hang,
      Brainwashed nationalism makes you a tool
      They’re getting rich by selling
      weapons to both countries,
      You never think to question what you’re told!
      KILL, KILL, KILL!!!
      KILL, KILL, KILL!!!
      KILL, KILL, KILL!!!
      KILL, KILL, KILL!!!
      They’re gonna give you nothing
      They want to take way the
      little they call something
      You know you’re being used still you play along
      If you’re not complacent,
      You’re doing something wrong
      One day they’ll push to far
      That marks the beginning of their end
      We’ll being them crashing down
      until they’re all dead
      They’re all dead, they’re all dead!
      The time is growing near..
      Put the trigger to the man…
      Ok, let’s go, kill ‘em!
      KILL, KILL, KILL!!!
      KILL, KILL, KILL!!!
      KILL, KILL, KILL!!!
      KILL, KILL, KILL!!!
      KILL, KILL, KILL!!!
      KILL, KILL, KILL!!!

    • Dogma says:

      12:17pm | 13/01/11

      In a web thread Andrew Bolt would just be classed as a troll…maybe a ‘journalistic’’ troll is the new job title…

      The deranged right, finger pointing at the deranged left…

    • Sean says:

      12:25pm | 13/01/11

      Andrew I am of the right side of politics as well but fortunately I have the intellect to realise that some extreme right wing politicians are nothing more than a lower form of life draining a portion of the oxygen I wish to breathe. If I had the choice of discussing world affairs with my dog Max and Sarah Palin I would take my red setter everytime.

    • Craig says:

      01:19pm | 13/01/11

      The difference between America and Australia is this: in America the nutters shoot people, in Australia they write blogs.

    • Kath Grant says:

      08:58am | 16/01/11

      Craig I was just thinking how much hate and vitriol is being spewed in these comments when I came across yours.  It’s very troubling.

    • Del says:

      01:35pm | 13/01/11

      Just need to remember that the republicans love to say - we are hear figting to take America back…!  Far as I knew Obama was an US citizen oh and the republicans believing they own 911, hhmm I wonder who blocked the bill that related to relief for the first line workers of 911 the other week cause fat cat republicans did not get there tax cuts. But people like Bolt and other are annoyed like most things it is taking a black man to clean up the white mans mess!

    • Deano says:

      01:55pm | 13/01/11

      Well put Andrew… but, my, you’ve created a storm.
      The vituperative leftie trolls have shifted into overdrive. Not content with blaming the Tea Party Movement and Sarah Palin, they now seek to smear you as well. Just who lacks compassion here?
      If any one is to blame for this tragedy, it’s the politicians who pass laws permitting dangerous lunatics to walk the streets instead of being locked up for their own and everybody else’s good.

    • Reg says:

      05:54pm | 13/01/11

      @Deano ... “The vituperative leftie trolls have shifted into overdrive.” People who write such things reveal themselves as shallow easily swayed fools. Perhaps you should declare yourself as one of these dangerous lunatics worthy only of being locked up, because you made no contribution here.

      Well, other than that you’re a fool for Andy.

    • Pavlo says:

      02:16pm | 13/01/11

      Andrew Bolt, if someone didn’t like you, or disagreed with your views (political or otherwise), do you really think you’d be comfortable if, in the criticism they directed at you, they employed such visual metaphors as crosshair gunsights aimed in your general direction?

      Then to top it off they also employed language such as “reload” in their criticism of you? Surely you’d have to agree such tactics are inadvisable, in poor taste as well as incredibly unsettling for whoever it’s aimed at?

      I sure as heck wouldn’t like it – whether I’m left wing, right wing or north of centre!

    • JR says:

      02:36pm | 13/01/11

      Found: One dummy, size XL to suit adult. Please enquire within.

    • Peter Moreland says:

      03:06pm | 13/01/11

      Dear Andrew, It must be lovely getting paid for expressing the right wing bile you do on a regular basis. Thank god for the ABC, if people relied on you for their information they would have a seriously warped perspective. I find it hysterical that Sarah Palin, a woman who is patently a half wit, is a serious contender for office. Anyone can see that Palin’s Tea Party(Mad Hatter’s Party), whatever she wants to call it panders to the lowest common denominator. Andrew, maybe one day you’ll come up with an original idea and express an opinion on something that isn’t right wing drivel. Possibly hell will freeze over first. Do something useful, put down your keyboard and join Piers Ackerman helping with the flood situation in Queensland. Have you actually ever done anything productive for society?

    • James A says:

      03:33pm | 13/01/11

      You reply confirms what Andrew has mentioned many times.

      The left HATES to be questioned and the fraud of their belief system exposed for what it is.  The creed of spite and envy.

      You lost the argument spectacularly.

    • Reg says:

      09:03pm | 13/01/11

      Well done Peter.

      So it seems we have an Andrew Bolt fanboy in James A, a supporter of division and hero worship. Apparently you have never been conscious of John Howard’s discomfiture when asked the difficult question James. His policy was to brush it aside and change the subject.

      To bring you back to the subject, allow me to point out to you that Andrew Bolt is simply being an apologist for a poorly thought out Republican campaign to engender political violence and discord.  What sort of reaction could Fox and Palin reasonably expect if their plan came to fruition? It matters not one fig whether the guy did it all without the influence of Fox or Palin, it just happens to fall perfectly in line with their intentions. Let’s hope that after a reasonable period of no nasty left wing retaliation we can look forward to your idol Andrew Bolt eating extremely humble pie - in public- and in this place.

    • KJBeinke says:

      03:15pm | 13/01/11

      Deranged idiots do not need any ideas from Sarah Palin or other to carry out their evil.  Of course the looney left will point their finger a Sarah Palin as they will do anything to silence any critic who may even question their policies.  Unfortunately the lefties fail to realise their stupid business and economic destroying policies kill more people by lack of funding through their failed economic policies than any deranged lunatic can.
      Neither should be acceptable to society – but on the same hand, society gets the government they deserve.

    • Dave says:

      03:21pm | 13/01/11

      Its amazing how not only Andrew but so many commenters here seems to have forgotten about the most obvious piece of evidence that he’s not a liberal: “He shot a Democrat”

      You guys are aware that Democrats are the left wing party in the US?

    • Greg says:

      05:40pm | 13/01/11

      He shot a pro-gun Democrat. I suspect that it’s OK for proper left wingers to do that.

    • Reg says:

      08:24am | 14/01/11

      Your suspicion should not get in the way of your intellect but apparently it does.  In some US states acceptance of guns is a prerequisite for having any hope of election what-ever. Before one can change anything one must first get elected. This is the 101 of politics that seems to have escaped your flagging intellect. 

      Perhaps your’e not aware that the average person loses 85,000 brain cells a DAY and only regenerates 50, don’t squander what you have left.

    • James Milton says:

      03:31pm | 13/01/11

      The hypocrisy of the left wing liberal media in the states, with complicit help from the BBC has lead to this. Last year we saw the media falling over itself NOT to blame Maj Nadel’s murderous rampage on his religious beliefs. We also saw the same thing after the 7/7 terrorist attacks here in London. The media went out of their way to caution people not to make the connection between Islam and these terrorist attacks! Yet here, the left wing media has gone out of its way to connect Palin and the Tea Party to this attack. Just as we saw with Bush, who the democrats would rather have lost the war in Iraq to defeat Bush, we are seeing the same kind of derangement, where the left would rather hate Palin than deal with the truth, that this killer is a killer who’s ideology lies to the left. Finally, I wonder if the media would be going out like it is now if this was a Republican senator? Some how I doubt that.

    • Reg says:

      08:40pm | 13/01/11

      No-one had to point at Palin or Fox News, they advertised their own desire for violent political confrontation apparently without any in-depth consideration of how it might reflect upon themselves if their wish was granted. Now that’s really dumb.

      It’s amazing that your opening sentence seeks to free the loud-mouth US right from any responsibility, considering that their ranting fascism crosses our TV screens in Australia most every night and there’s every reason to expect it had a following in the deep-south.

      Of course the poor murdering bastard is crazy as a cut snake and the casual link to the political right merely indicates how they threw caution to the wind in pursuit of their viscous goal. Who the f*** suggested the anti-Bush forces would have welcomed defeat in Iraq, other than you and Fox?

      The difference is that the hateful lefties treated Bush with ridicule and disdain while the present anti-Obama forces talk violence and assassination.  Deny it if you can.

    • Carmel says:

      03:37pm | 13/01/11

      If you want to get into such partisan snipiness then move to the States Andrew.  We don’t need social commentary to degrade any futher here than it has already.

    • Angus says:

      04:03pm | 13/01/11

      Define left….Still haven’t actually heard it defined. Nor the right for that matter….

    • sam says:

      03:08pm | 14/01/11

      Right = The first ones in the lifeboat

    • Elephant says:

      04:07pm | 13/01/11

      It took just hours for Andrew Bolt to finger the villain responsible for the deaths of boat-bourne refugees off Christmas Island.

      It was Julia Gillard what done it, officer. And other Left-wingers just like that witch.

    • Greg says:

      05:42pm | 13/01/11

      Yes, but there is an important difference - Gillard was actually responsible.

    • J says:

      05:47pm | 13/01/11

      No shit because she changed a policy that was working…
      Anyone could see what the result of the change was going to be..

      Are you really that slow Elephant?

    • Sally says:

      08:09am | 17/01/11

      @Greg

      She was driving the boat was she?

    • pablo says:

      04:30pm | 13/01/11

      I notice Andrew carefully avoids quoting any of the right-wing hate speech that he believes doesn’t influence people.  Why is that Andrew??

    • vic says:

      04:32pm | 13/01/11

      If I posted pictures of you with crosshairs on your face calling for action or if I called for people to not back down from your garbage but to reload, you’d have me arrested quick smart you HYPOCRITE. What she said and her whole approach are morally and ethically reprehensible. You use violent imagery like that in a gun mad Counryr like the US, this is what happens. Anyone with half a brain can see the correlation unless they’re trying to score politically like you

    • Chris L says:

      04:50pm | 13/01/11

      “far more likely to have been influenced by violent movies and violent music”

      From one scape goat to the other eh Andrew? Smoothly done.

    • OsamaBinWhere? says:

      01:05pm | 14/01/11

      totally agree Chris,
      when all esle fails, andy points to his favourite causes of violence and ASSumes it must be them.
      carries as much weight as the “thoery” of intelligent design.
      could the kid possibly have been the by product of a consumer/image driven, right-ish wing, god fearing, kill or be killed society?
      one could ASSume…....

    • Aldous K says:

      04:52pm | 13/01/11

      Was Bolt deranged when he blamed Gillard for the Christmas Island tragedy?

      Is he ever NOT deranged?

    • James Milton says:

      03:42pm | 14/01/11

      Thing is.. it actually was Gillards fault. The existing policy was working great, there weren’t illegals arriving at a boat or two a week and things were going great wrt to illegal, unwanted, unneeded illegals. Julia then changed the rules, and it was just a matter of time before people died.

    • Too Funny says:

      05:00pm | 13/01/11

      lol Andrew Bolt criticising journalists for politcal bias.

      LOL

    • Chris L says:

      05:13pm | 13/01/11

      Cenk from the Young Turks would argue with you Andrew. They are a news commentary that openly favour Democrats (that is, they don’t pretend to be neutral like a certain “fair and balanced” network). They never shy from criticising their own side when called for.

      Cenk had this to say about claims that the Republicans don’t incite violence:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyqmZs0VoPw

    • GavinJ says:

      05:38pm | 13/01/11

      You make some valid points, but really its just typical scumbag politicians taking advantage of mass murder to further their political agenda’s, be it gun control, mud slinging, or whatever.  I would suggest that violence on TV would have a whole lot more to do with why some1 would find it acceptable to commit murder than a picture of a crosshair.  Interestingly the killer was a lefty, drug addict uni drop out.  Some people just cant deal with free speech.  Its those people who need to be locked up and medicated, rather than the rest of us.

    • Seano says:

      06:59pm | 13/01/11

      Equally as piss poor as faked documents claiming Loughner was a Republican are claims that he was a lefty.

      The last good friend he had before descending into drug use and likely mental health issues claimed:

      “He did not watch TV, he disliked the news, he didn’t listen to political radio, he didn’t take sides, he wasn’t on the Left, he wasn’t on the Right”.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7xLg2C2iI0

    • Alex says:

      05:56pm | 13/01/11

      Bolt’s suddenly changed his tune. Usually he’s busy defending hate-preachers from the US.

    • mrniceguy351 says:

      06:10pm | 13/01/11

      Mr Andrew Bolt,

      I read your column regularly and generally agree with most of what you are saying. But please do not align yourself with Sarah Palin and these right wing nutjobs in the tea party.

      Thanks

    • A Don says:

      08:45pm | 13/01/11

      President Obama called on ideological campaigners to stop vilifying their opponents. The only way to move forward after such a tragedy, he said, is to cast aside “point-scoring and pettiness.”

      Bolt, pay attention.

    • Andrew says:

      10:40pm | 13/01/11

      What I wonder is whether the fanatically adversarial nature of American politics is truly necessary. The Republican side in particular seems to behave as if a Democrat political victory is about as bad as a successful Iranian invasion of the USA.  This is obviously not the case, so why do they behave this way? I can only imagine it is their nature to do so, that they represent deep-rooted fears more than the Democrats.

    • MD says:

      12:03am | 14/01/11

      I live in the U.S. and I think this Bolt guy has missed the point entirely.
      I do not see anyone blaming Palin directly, what I see, is a mention of her web ads and its “way to get the point across”.
      The infighting is on both sides, but as in any Country there are some that cannot separate intended messages from reality.
      I think what people are saying and using Palins ads as an example, is just tone it down, don’t be so over the top or don’t use such “In your face” type of bickering,  These so called leaders can get their point across by just saying they do not agree with another parties values or decisions, but always remember the Majority rules, speak your piece, but honor the system which made this Country one of the Greatest in the World.
      Some politicians cannot get that in their head…its all about their beliefs not what the majority of people want….

    • used to watch him and thought to myself that if he says:

      05:01am | 14/01/11

      well written Andrew, reading some of the comments in this post leaves me amazed at how a lot of people here in australia hate Palin…the question is…WHY?
      she has no power to do anything here in aust, so why all the hate for her here.
      Obama has power to hurt aust, but how many people hate him?
      when he was running for the top office, I

    • Adam says:

      06:17am | 14/01/11

      Hey Andrew, did you forget which country you live in?  Why do we give a damn?  As much as you personally might wish differently, Australia is not the 51st state of the U.S.A.  Half of Queensland is underwater and you decide to do a “pool lil’ Palin” editorial?!?...if you love america that much, go live there, I doubt many Australians will miss your particularly hysterical type of editorialising….and I’m sure you’ll fit right in on FOX news.  As a very conservative, right wing free market devotee, I think the republican party are a bunch of nutjobs, and I would never want that kind of close mindedness here.  You and all your mates that keep acting like Australia is “Little America” should just move already - most Aussies, regardless of political persuasion, are repulsed by the thought of following Americas lead and would much prefer to look to Europe for our values.  So go defend Palin over there, because we don’t give a damn here!

    • Ravi Lulla says:

      06:41am | 14/01/11

      Thanks Andrew for pointing out polarities in the use of rhetoric. It is the principal tool for politicians to associate what message they are sending .
      Yes in times of emotional or financial crisis we look for people to blame and like it or not these associations become stuck as dogmatic messages like a slogan.
      Of course it depends which side we are on. And whether I like Palin or not is not the point, she has the right to incite, blame and spread her message and stir up her vote bank and so do people who are now in shock and think that she is responsible for this rhetoric.
      Thats what we call a Democracy Andrew

    • Tea Bagger says:

      08:22am | 14/01/11

      Nice work Andrew..Sarah Palin has a lot to answer for..her ‘blood libel’ speech clearly demonstrates what a right wing nutcase she is. If she is innocent of inciting violence then why did she remove within minutes of the shootings her infamous gun sight map targeting politicians who voted for health reform??

      Lets see how you spin Sarah’s latest insensitive gaffe??

    • Reg says:

      12:27pm | 14/01/11

      It’s worse than you think TB. Sarah was only enunciating a speech written by another of her Republican luminaries. The inclusion of the “blood libel” comment illustrates a serious problem in the ranks, as well as in the head.

      For those out of the loop, the comment is Jewish and the intended victim was Jewish.

    • James says:

      09:13am | 14/01/11

      Andrew Bolt, the naughty little boy who likes to make a stir.

    • Daniel says:

      09:15am | 14/01/11

      2 words. Tea. Party.

    • Lunaticleftee says:

      10:02am | 16/01/11

      @Daniel..two more…spot on!!

    • Roland says:

      09:43am | 14/01/11

      Well, the fact that Loughner already disliked Gifford sets the stage, but for paranoid schizophrenics (who notoriously imagine special messages and orders coming to them via the television) the “crosshairs” and the “re-load” advertisements are tailor-made to fit into the delusions of one who is not only deranged but has a gun fetish.
      Definitely sufficient to push such a person over the edge.

    • Jimmy.G says:

      09:45am | 14/01/11

      This article is gold bonded ,Bolt is spot on the looney left in the US are way more off the mark than the Right.its a shame we cant clone Reagan,his predictions on foreign policy and the Islamification of the West,and political correctness were so correct and were nearly 30 years ago. Palin has got to be a better leader and economist than Obama whose quasi Socialist agenda has ruined the US and the power balance worldwide. Politicians use speech as a weapon but to blame Rhetoric for senseless crime is an act of ldiocy. As Robert Heinlein said ‘‘If guns cause crime then matches cause arson’’ so true and if political speeches cause a deranged individual to kill then what next no speeches .Cascading erosions of personal choices and freedoms abound ,in the Obama administration and in nearly every Australian state. Democcritus must revolve in his grave at high RPMs.

    • Chris L says:

      11:55am | 15/01/11

      Would I be correct in assuming you’ve never listened to Palin giving a public address? (except for this most recent one where she actually sounds intelligent. I will be interesting to see if she can keep that up.)

    • Herb says:

      09:50am | 14/01/11

      Andrew never fails to amaze…What seems strange however is that Andrew failed to implicate Julia Gillard as leader of the plot to discredit Palin. You are slipping mate!

    • Suzie says:

      10:01am | 14/01/11

      Mr Bolt, I would like to know whether the vitriol, spewing from your mouth, burns your oesophagus?

    • A Brain says:

      10:48am | 14/01/11

      Palin has a lengthy history of violent, hateful and inciting rhetoric, as do many of the various tea party factions and their members not to mention conservative politicians.

      Does the author think a foolish idiot making a youtube video, or posting something on a no account blog or in comments on a no account blog, has the same effect on society as political figures and Fox news hosts making the same comments? Really?

      I wonder, did the author intentionally neglect to mention Palin aids trying to explain away those crosshairs as being surveyors symbols in the aftermath of the Tuscon shootings? Pity Palin’s own tweets were on record to point out that this line of defense was a blatant lie. Or perhaps, that the site the map with the crosshairs was on, was suddenly taken offline after the Tuscon shootings? If there was no connection, why were these steps taken?

      Pitiful. SarahPac would like to thank the author. Don’t retreat, reload.

    • keef says:

      11:07am | 14/01/11

      i don’t get it… what has this got to do with left or right wing?  these people said some really stupid stuff and deserve to be criticized… but what’s with bringing your political agenda into it? they said stupid things because they are stupid, not because they have left or right politics this classic Bolt “straw man” logic

    • Sir Osis says:

      11:45am | 14/01/11

      And the Anger hate and bile in this column is fuelling the civil war atmosphere.

      Its become less about “Lets work together to do great things” to “My chosen side is always right, and your chosen side is always wrong and must be destroyed” from BOTH sides of the political spectrum.

      Maybe China has it right, only having one party.

    • KRud says:

      11:45am | 14/01/11

      I don’t think anyone gave a toss about Palin before you piped up. Your the one thats deranged Bolt!

    • Alasdair Kempton says:

      12:05pm | 14/01/11

      Bolt raises some interesting points: Notably, the state of mind of the individual who committed the crime. While you lot are busy stirring eachother’s pots about who’s political ideals Will Lead us To the Truth, perhaps it’s worth actually removing politics from this and look at the mental history of the guy concerned?
      Also: Regarding politicians of ALL types - they’re like bananas, they start off green, then they turn yellow, and there’s not a straight one in the whole bunch. I mean their office term is all of 4 years, so they’re primary focus isn’t on changing the world, or making their country a better place, it’s about getting re-elected. Liberal or Labour, Republican or Democrat. That’s their focus. Smaller parties tend towards trying to make changes but the moment they’re in power for any length of time you’ll see the same thing happen…

    • Sophie says:

      08:17am | 17/01/11

      Spot on Rob.  Apparently every single thing in the entire world these days is related to politics.

    • Ron Hall says:

      12:19pm | 14/01/11

      “Delusion and the Labor liars”, would make a good book,,SIR OSIS we have only” one party” with a minority in “POWER” .  Bolt is keeping the basterds honest.

    • Tone says:

      12:33pm | 14/01/11

      Why does politics always seem to bring out the most petty and immature in human nature, whether it be extreme right wing or left wing? 2 sides of the same coin. Radicalism, Narcissism, Judgment, Anger, Reactive Pathetic Name Calling etc…Dark ages supposedly ended hundreds of years ago….

    • Carmel says:

      08:20am | 17/01/11

      It’s so that they can sit there all day and argue amongst themselves and not have to do any hard or real work.

    • Ness says:

      01:26pm | 14/01/11

      Well said Andrew! Agree completely with your asssessment of the whole sorry and disgraceful saga.

    • Garry E says:

      02:53pm | 14/01/11

      You are all losers. Get over yourselves and live life WITH each other, in peace, happily. You all make me sick, and its people like you, ALL of you, at all levels of society, that have made the world what it is today. Grow UP!

    • Reg says:

      07:12am | 15/01/11

      Yeah and I bet you’d be the first to beat up some stupid kid for kicking over your letter-box.

    • Jim of the north says:

      03:31pm | 14/01/11

      Looked for a definition to the term ‘deranged Left’ and only found a picture of Andrew Bolt.  His lips are brown and his eyes are too.

    • Jackie says:

      03:54pm | 14/01/11

      I don’t have much time for Sarah Palin, however she is hardly the only or the worst offender using overheated political rhetoric on either side of politics. Seems to me that the left have a very nasty line in it too. Which side of politics was wishing rape on Palin and her teenage daughter again? Which side of politics has put Republican pollies’ pictures in crosshairs. On their faces,  not on a map of their state.  Classy stuff from the Obamaniacs. I firmly believe that both sides need to look at what they are saying. I also think that this business of being left or right is also made way too much of. Speaking for myself, I am liberal about some things and conservative in regard to other issues. I think the reality is that the same can be said for most people. The other factor is that this man seems to have had a grudge about Gifford that started way before Palin’s map. Crazy is as crazy does, alas.

    • Dennis says:

      04:01pm | 14/01/11

      The vitriol and untoward debating has actually occurred from both the left and the right. The tone of the US congress during the Obama administartion as well as the later part of the Bush administration did/ has lacked civility and is why there has been little bypartisnship.
      However, you cannot link a persons remarks (whether it is Palin, Limbaugh or Beck) to the killing of those innocent people. That was caused by a deranged lunatic and people need to be held accountable for their own actions.

    • MK says:

      04:31pm | 14/01/11

      You would call it hate speach and arrest a muslim for saying that kind of stuff, but not a white christian right wing American.

      Which is it you hypocrite!

    • Rodger Brook says:

      04:36pm | 14/01/11

      Well done again Andrew for revealing the tructh and the facts. I am sick of the luny lefts controlling the main line media. The best example is they never expose the facts against global warming when they arise.

    • punin10dead says:

      05:02pm | 14/01/11

      Palin’s maps had gunsight targets and her slogan was “Don’t retreat: Reload!”  That’s quite different from the other maps posted here in an attempt to point the finger back… it’s just a Tu Quoque fallacy… sorry.

    • Chris says:

      05:22pm | 14/01/11

      The left all love to promote their tolerances except when descibing those who do not agree with their agenda. Then they are ALL Stupid, Bigots, Racists, etc. etc. I guess this is just part of the left “hypocrite” mantra. Alas, God loves all and he is the final judge! Hate will consume you.

    • punin10dead says:

      06:12pm | 14/01/11

      You can find examples of hate speech on the left, I won’t deny this, but I think it’s obvious that the right has a much larger corporate-funded megaphone and the hate speech there is far more prevalent by comparison.  There are also cases where the connection between violent acts and right-wing hate speech has been proven. (see below)

      —-

      “There is some evidence that Fox’s murder fantasy culture has already helped to spark violent action. Reporting for Media Matters, journalist John Hamilton tells the story of Byron Williams, a Beck devotee who engaged in a shootout that injured two California Highway Patrol officers in July. After his apprehension, Williams told police he’d intended to travel Oakland California to kill people at the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU.

      In a jailhouse interview in which he described the right-wing media sources that informed his views, Williams returned again and again to Glenn Beck:

      “I would have never started watching Fox News if it wasn’t for the fact that Beck was on there. And it was the things that he did, it was the things he exposed that blew my mind.”

      Among the things Beck did, according to Hamilton, was attack the Tides Foundation in 29 separate Fox News shows in the 18 months leading up to Williams’ foiled mission to Oakland.”

      http://www.alternet.org/media/149496/fox_news:_the_no._1_name_in_murder_fantasies

      —-

      The Missed Warning Signs

      A 2009 study warned that the rise of right-wing extremism could spur violent attacks. But the report was attacked by Republicans, including now-Speaker John Boehner.

      Two years before the Tucson massacre, the Department of Homeland Security warned in a report that right-wing extremism was on the rise and could prompt “lone wolves” to launch attacks. But the agency backed away from the report amid intense criticism from Republicans, including future House Speaker John Boehner.

      http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/11/homeland-security-study-warned-of-right-wing-extremism.html

    • Brad says:

      06:14pm | 14/01/11

      Since when was the tea party a grass roots movement?  They are an unfortunate group of people being used by big business.  Similarly, a media controlled by few also “abuses” its readers by attempting to report opinion as fact and slanting news to their own agenda.

    • Dave (yes me vile one) says:

      08:49pm | 14/01/11

      Now guys ,including you poor facile Eric ,Bolt doesn’t read your comments
      Not because he can’t read (it’s thinking he has a problem with)
      It’s just that as soon as he has disgorged him self of his vile tripe (none of which he understands) he’s off to his regular mutual felchathon with Piers Akerman
      It’s then straight back to the cupboard under the stairs at Uncle Ruperts isn’t it you vile person

    • Dez says:

      09:08pm | 14/01/11

      What an absolute hypocrite you are A Bolt! Within hours of the tragic Christmas Island boat tragedy, you immediately put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the “left wing policies” of the current Australian government.
      Whereas in this blog you are attacking the same knee-jerk reactions from a very small number of left minded news organisations/politicians. You have no credibility whatsoever.

    • NotCool says:

      10:03pm | 14/01/11

      Hang on a sec, why did Palin use gun sights again? Is Bolt saying it’s ok to place gun sights over politicians? Wow. Regardless of whether the killer was a supporter of Palin, it remains that using gun sights over rival politicians is very irresponsible in a nation of gun owners. Bolt should think before posting.

    • Bianca Hare says:

      10:05pm | 14/01/11

      Not many people like Bolt. I wonder way??? He is just like “quick fix Tony” has an answer for every problem in the world. Problem is those answer are not very well thought out and usually backfire on him. A bit like this funny article of his.

    • Reg says:

      09:52am | 15/01/11

      Bianca as you know there are people who have killed, just for the notoriety. Mr Bolt does not care whether he is loved or hated, as long as he is not ignored. Murdoch has the same fetish and of course Fox News is his tool.

    • Samantha says:

      10:58pm | 14/01/11

      Yet another piece of slanderous demagoguery from a man with no intelligence and no integrity. According to Bolt the political Right can do no wrong; even when they murder people or incite the stupid and brainwashed to do their violent bidding. There is nothing “loony” about seeing reality for what it is; for understanding the difference between empirical facts and the spin of lying bigots; for having a grasp of political economies, human behavior and psychology; for discerning realistically, the probable and actual, from the Right’s neo-con and neo-liberal mythologies and hysterical delusions. It is the morally and intellectually bankrupt that are peddling the radical far Right’s damage control propaganda (the “blood libel” spin) campaign against those who speak the truth, want to investigate, and hold those responsible properly accountable. No one is “loony” for choosing not to be a naive puppet of Right-wing ideologues like Murdoch and his ideological warriors like Andrew Bolt; for choosing not to be led like the cretinous muppets populating the Teaparty movement or those brainwashed, “rank-n-file”, automatons of the anti-democratic G.O.P.

    • Earl J Wagadoor says:

      11:41pm | 14/01/11

      Sorry but Jane Fonda said what? The same Jane Fonda who visited North Viet Nam during the Viet Nam war and was video’d sitting in the seat of an anti-aircraft gun used to shoot down US planes by the Viet Cong. So using her logic can we take it that Jane is accepting responsibility for all the US aircraft shot down after she sat at the gun? Really creditable Jane.

    • Cousy says:

      12:33am | 15/01/11

      I hope that none of you mindless fools are old enough to vote yet. If you are, then God help this countries bleak future. Stupidity and ignorance are the norm in Australia now. Very sad but a fact. Educate yourselves. Learn to think, evolve and then think clearly before you speak.

    • Katherine Grant says:

      04:15am | 17/01/11

      I should proof read-carefully before I submit a comment if I were you.

    • Stephen says:

      04:43am | 15/01/11

      ... and the deranged Right is in utter and complete denial ...

    • Jlo says:

      06:11am | 15/01/11

      This is purely a “baiting” exercise.

      The media love baiting Sarah Palin - you can pretty much guarantee that she’ll come out with something entertaining that will allow them to sell more of the advertising that their TV station and or newspaper depends on.

      This situation is so tragic, it’s really sad that it’s been turned into a baiting ploy.

    • pj says:

      08:02am | 15/01/11

      Do I really need to point out the obvious hypocrisy of Andrew Bolt here?  He shakes his fist at the “deranged” left for using a tragedy to point the finger at Palin.  I seem to remember a certain News Limited journo taking about 5 minutes to point the finger at the left for the Christmas Island tragedy and the floods.  I suggest AB holds himself to his own standards?

    • Robin says:

      12:00pm | 15/01/11

      The left in the USA are feeling threatened. Their livelihoods and their beliefs are under attack from middle America who are peed off with their tax monies being squandered by a cabal of lawyer led spendthrifts in Washington.All you leftists who attack Fox News as being far out, forget that these are the views of middle America. America is bankrupt. Very soon it will be paying 60% of its tax monies on interest payments. The infrastructure is collapsing as government can not afford to maintain vital bridges roads etc. because of mining we in Australia have avoided the same pitfalls but if there is a downturn in china we are in for one hell of a shock. As was stated a long time ago Australia is a luck country

    • pj says:

      02:26pm | 15/01/11

      Nice Robin…What you fail to acknowledge is that it was George Bush which led the American economy down the toilet, what with war and the GFC.  If you are going to make an argument, make sure it doesn’t come back to bite you.

    • punin10dead says:

      07:39pm | 15/01/11

      Robin says: “who are peed off with their tax monies being squandered by a cabal of lawyer led spendthrifts in Washington.”

      Do you mean the people wasting so much money on corporate wars of aggression based on lies and deceptions?  Then I would agree, and then there’s corporate welfare, corporations not paying any taxes, tax cuts for the wealthy, etc.  These are all Republican policies that squander away our tax dollars on things that aren’t helping us and only opening the frontier for corporations to control other country’s natural resources; a policy that contradicts everything America supposedly stands for.

      Robin says: “All you leftists who attack Fox News as being far out, forget that these are the views of middle America. “

      Fox News is the voice of the Republican Party.

      Robin says: “The infrastructure is collapsing as government can not afford to maintain vital bridges roads etc.”

      This is because of tax cuts for the rich, wasteful military spending, and a general policy of what Reagan called, “starving the beast.”  The idea being to starve any programs that serve the public interest until they fail and then exploit their failure to have them eliminated.  In other words, anything that doesn’t serve corporate interests is regarded as “government waste.”  This policy continues to this day.

      The agencies that are designed to protect us from corporate abuses are taken over by corporate representatives (Republicans) who work to dismantle them.  The people watching Fox News are being hypnotized into believing that Republicans are doing things in the people’s interest, but this is proven false by the facts; something conspicuous by their absence on Fox News.

    • underdog says:

      01:18pm | 15/01/11

      The argument posed in the piece above is largely negated by the fact that Fox News, the Palin/Republican media mouthpiece, has issued a memo to its presenters to tone down their rhetoric in the wake of the shooting.

      This seems to be an admission that the rhetoric of this side of politics has been extreme to say the least, and possibly provocative to the lunatic fringe of society (many of whom seem to hang around and post comments on this site all day).

      Whether you can draw a direct link or not, public perception is the key issue here. And on this count, the Palin/Tea Party/Fox News side has well and truly lost the battle on this one.

    • Shayne says:

      05:51pm | 15/01/11

      Whoo!  The Andrew Bolt is on The Punch, I am so so so happy!!  He’s a man after my own heart!

    • Fiona says:

      08:23pm | 15/01/11

      I agree. smile he is the man!

    • pj says:

      09:08am | 16/01/11

      I feel very sorry for you both.  Andrew Bolt is like a parody of a conservative journalist, controversial for the sake of selling newspapers.

    • barker@usq.edu.au says:

      08:11pm | 15/01/11

      For gods sake Bolt - we are in the middle of the worst natural disaster in Austrialia’s history and all you can do is push your unrelenting blinkered hard line right wing agenda - do you think people in the lockyer valley give a toss about what you think the ‘left’ are doing in America - you really are the personification of the latte sipping urban right wing elite - you really should get out more - ever considered getting a shovel and helping out!!!

    • jj says:

      06:54am | 16/01/11

      i cant quite work out, if your brand of right wing hatemongering is for real, if it is a cabaret song and dance , a circus, a car crash ,wanting rubberneckers to :look at me, pay attention to me” or if you just need a psychiatrist….................................then again you ould be getting paid to be controversial, yeah id say its the last one stan zemaneck ..oh i mean piers ackerman, no Andrew Bolt.  i dont know whos worse the people who write this hate or the people who read it and believe its actually real

    • Macca says:

      07:47am | 16/01/11

      ... How the deranged Right pointed at the deranged Left pointing at Palin. “Left” and “Right” is absurd. Those who want change, and those who don’t? Those who value traditional social values and those who don’t? Pul-lease…

    • Bruce says:

      08:14am | 16/01/11

      I think Andrew Bolt and Sarah Palin should make beatifully deranged right wing love and leave the world, a better place for all of us!

    • Bobbie says:

      08:52am | 16/01/11

      Wasn’t it the delightful Mr Goebbels who said “Repetition is the greatest form of propaganda”? Isn’t this what the media is dishing up day in day out, ala Fox News? I admit I sometimes watch that channel for short periods, mainly for comic relief, and despair as to where this is all going!! Be very afraid when you hear this common thread of “silly left wing conspiracy” statement from all of these right wing loonies on mass.

      Interesting quote with some relevance to what is happenning

      “The Id seeks instantaneous self-pleasure and carries desire- and basic human drives. It does not allow itself to think logically about situations.
      Therefore, propaganda is typically primitive or innate in it’s form.”  Is this why they all come out on mass with rubbish like it is all a left wing conspiracy? Don’t be fooled.

    • James says:

      10:22am | 16/01/11

      Well I’ll stick to blaming the republicans for ensuring the US education system is garbage, and that morons and unstbale freaks have easy access to automatic weapons.

      But I’m sure Andrew has a reason why that all makes sense.

    • EM says:

      11:03am | 16/01/11

      As someone who’s firmly in the centre, I think all you extreme lefties and extreme righties are equally deranged, equally hypocritical and equally blind to reality and truth.  If you can’t see that there are two sides to every story and that there’s no such thing as black and white (only shades of grey) then I’m sorry but you’re opinion is irrelevant and you should give yourself a good hard kick in the face.  Time to wake up you left and right extremist idiots, you’re destroying this world for the rest of us with your brain-dead ideologies…

    • LC says:

      12:05pm | 16/01/11

      It’s just Andrew Bolt people, move along, nothing to see here.

    • Johnny says:

      03:50pm | 16/01/11

      The yank liberals claming all their rights to amendments on the US constitution is the main problem. Go for it Andrew and bash these bunch of lefties. Maybe have a look here and see that their argument is dumb. From memory one of the Australian governments advertised something years ago using gunsights but I can’t locate it. But I did find this one:
      http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/23/2224866.htm

    • Reg says:

      06:16am | 18/01/11

      Here your are little Johnnie, a US correspondent who should be right up your alley ....

      from   ...  teabaggingforjesus

      “Be afraid, be very afraid. Jesus and his apostles are coming for you liberals, and Jesus takes no prisoners.”

    • shenzencowboy says:

      08:57pm | 16/01/11

      The deranged right points at the left.

    • Reg says:

      10:52pm | 16/01/11

      Actually I’d have thought all the deranged would be the relatives of the slain. Stricken with grief followed by a mental clarity that only an assassination could bring. So that’s three groups, the left, the right and the grief stricken. It seems Bolt A, is obsessing over politics to the exclusion of the victims.

    • Reg says:

      06:36am | 18/01/11

      Heavens-to-Betsie, that over-zealous sheriff again, all the victim of the shooting did was shout “You’re Dead” at a teabagger and he gets charged with “intimidation and disorderly conduct.”  I wonder what could have caused the poor distraught Mr James Fuller, 63 to indulge in such hateful leftie excess?

      Ask Bolt A he will know, he knows everything.

    • paul says:

      10:05pm | 16/01/11

      have you ever noticed how all the shock jocks, both on radio and in print are always right wingers, spitting hatred crap, inciting people to march on establishments.

    • Reg says:

      11:40am | 18/01/11

      Here’s another example of what they’re really like on the US right, referring to Palin’s Facebook comments..

      But as one commenter pointed out, Palin’s people left up a comment that celebrated the death of 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green. “It’s ok,” the comment read. “Christina Taylor Green was probably going to end up a left wing bleeding heart liberal anyway. Hey, as ‘they’ say, what would you do if you had the chance to kill Hitler as a kid? Exactly.”

    • STEJ says:

      11:35am | 18/01/11

      Bolt, because of your status as a conservative commentator, if you were to say “It’s sunny today” the leftys woud disagree while the rightys would worship you, regardless of whether the weather was or was not sunny.

      Your opinion piece had me agreeing - because it is true, the leftys jumped the gun on this one, using it for political point scoring - until you mentioned the ‘alleged’ killer would have been influenced by violent music and movies. That claim is quite ridiculous, especially since you’ve spent your whole opinion piece building on your claim that he is a political lefty radical.

      Also, regarding the ‘alleged’ shooter, you don’t seem to give him the benefit of the doubt, seeing he is only ‘alleged’

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