If Australian cities could be defined by an aroma, you might pick jasmine for Sydney, tropical rain for Brisbane, coffee for Melbourne. While Adelaide would probably stump for an earthy shiraz or a fragrant bunch of Ross roses, the sad reality is that for many Adelaide households the defining aroma is the sickly stench of bong water.

Monster heads. Source: Police Media Unit

The do-nothing culture of Adelaide’s sizeable unemployed underclass has been defined in large part by one of Australia’s greatest public policy failures – the liberalised cannabis laws which normalised the daily use of marijuana. Equally, the explosion in the size and reach of biker gangs in the City of Churches was fuelled by those laws, which for a long time enabled a virtual franchising of backyard dope production through hydroponics.

Even today, now that the laws have been tightened, there are more hydroponic shops in Adelaide per capita than any other city in the land. One website says there are more shops here per capita than any other city in the world, including Vancouver, where cannabis is decriminalised. According to one pro-cannabis website I read this week, there’s about 40 of these stores in the metropolitan area alone.

This means one of two things – that South Australians love nothing more than a home-grown tomato, or there’s still a hell of lot of people growing dope.

On the very rare occasions that I smell dope, such as at an outdoor concert the other night when a nearby stranger lit up a joint, I am immediately transported back to Adelaide in the late 1980s when cannabis was everywhere. The 10 plant rule was still in place then, a ludicrously liberal regime whereby anyone caught growing 10 plants or less, provided they weren’t also caught with drug-dealing equipment such as scales and money bags, could argue that the dope was for their personal use, and only receive an on-the-spot $55 fine.

It was ubiquitous throughout university, and when I started my career at The Advertiser, the six months I spent on police rounds provided a scenic tour of crime scenes at the many bongwater-scented households of our more depressed suburbs.

The landscape has changed in the past two decades – at least in terms of the law. Since then successive governments have wound back the laws, first from 10 plants to three, most recently from three plants to one. Under the current laws, that one plant may only be grown conventionally, in the garden or a shade-house, not indoors hydroponically and under lights.

The shift in the legislation reflected the growing use of hydroponics to maximise both the size and strength of cannabis plants.

The long-serving Labor MP and former Attorney-General Mick Atkinson told me that the liberalised cannabis laws might have seemed like a good idea at the time, but became a good example of legislation failing to keep pace with society change.

“My generation enjoyed their giggle grass at uni that they grew in their backyards or bought at the uni bar,” Atkinson says. “They never really came to grips with the high concentration of THC of modern dope because it had been bred to perfection with about eight times the THC in it. It had a far greater effect than was foreseen by the legislators of my generation.”

The result of leaving the 10 plant rule in place – and even initially stumping for the seemingly tougher three-plant rule – was that Adelaide could become the focus for the growth and distribution of the drug.

“In the words of some of the pro-cannabis websites, it made us the cannabis capital,” Atkinson says. “It was being farmed out by outlaw motorcycle gangs, turned into a cottage industry where people grew it and reported to their local leader who looked after distribution.”

Atkinson says that he does not believe SA should go further still and get rid of the cannabis expiation system, fearing it would mean that instead of issuing minor offenders with a fine for possessing a small amount of cannabis, police would probably let them off with a caution.

But he believes the problem lies with the sentencing patterns of the courts against offenders caught with moderate amounts of the drug.

“The actual penalties imposed by the courts are so low as to be an inducement,” he says. “The maximum penalties are huge but the courts regards cannabis as a second or third-order issue and sentence accordingly. This is where the change needs to come.”

It’s hard to bag the judiciary too much for taking this view, as it probably reflects a laissez-faire attitude which is held more broadly in the community.

The question is whether we are all too laissez-faire, particularly in SA. Dope has loomed larger in SA than anywhere else in Australia because it was so permissible for so long. Everyone I know smoked the stuff to varying degrees during their adolescence and emerged relatively sane on the other side. But there is now so much evidence of the links between dope smoking and mental illness that this laidback approach should really be questioned. Equally, the role of dope as the perfect accompaniment to a lifetime of couch-bound indolence means we’re effectively writing off its most enthusiastic users as potential contributors to society.

Atkinson again: “I see some households where usually a son has got right into dope and is now unemployable and also has a mental illness, living with his parents until they die, incapable of working.”

My guess is you’d see more of those families in Adelaide than in the rest of the country because of our weird, failed experiment.

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    • Eric says:

      05:17am | 05/11/10

      Would you ban alcohol too? It does far more damage to individuals and society than pot does.

      Hey, let’s ban everything that isn’t 100% healthy and safe! No more drugs, no more booze, no more sex, no more cars, no more meat, no more walking (you could fall over and get hurt!) ...

    • Macca says:

      07:20am | 05/11/10

      This odly flies in the face of Penbo’s recent articles where he called a fat tax ridiculous and argued that salt makes food taste good, which it does.

    • G says:

      07:49am | 05/11/10

      Couldn’t of said it any better

    • Ben says:

      09:31am | 05/11/10

      Exactly. Headlines are filled with alchol fueled violence and incidents every day. How many people are killed, bashed, assulated by the guy with long hair and a joint in his pocket?

    • remlap says:

      09:32am | 05/11/10

      Wow! Eric! A first… for once I totally agree with your opening gambit!

    • Benoit says:

      09:40am | 05/11/10

      You got that right, and while we’re at it, lets ban high sucrose foods and fast food and over processed junk…

      And since when does smoking pot make you an unemployable lazy couch potato… not everyone who smokes pot is that, nor is everyone who drinks a lout…

    • Tim says:

      09:43am | 05/11/10

      Its amazing that in the modern world that we live in the government still thinks that we arent intelligent to make our own decisions in life and that they know better. A free world? I think not.
      Fact is if its decrimanalised across Australia then the people who profit from this trade will lose out as it will essentially be worthless to sell.
      As for effecting peoples mental health, what do you think alcohol does? Its all about moderation.
      I know of people who have been smoking their whole lives and you know what, they have good jobs, live normal lives and contribute to society. They live in well to do areas, hold respectable postions, pay taxes and blend in to society. They are not criminals who go out stealing to feed a habit or sit at home on the dole or live in one of these “more depressed” suburbs.
      Its time for government fat cats to stop telling us what we can and cant do, whats good for us and making our desicions for us.

    • Beaver says:

      10:06am | 05/11/10

      Yes, and why doesn’t anybody listen? Coz the fat politicians, judges, well to do and senior cops could never live without their lunchtime booze or afternoon red. Damn, they sit around and make laws and policy for all of us while sharing a meal and boozing up. And then the same people line up for their coke, no pun intended, or have a little weekend heroin habit. The fact is everyone of us knows someone who drinks too much and we have all seen the results; death from a variety of causes, all painful. Alienation coz thy behave in an appalling manner when drunk. Yelling, screaming, physical violence, and then in the morning they ‘don’t remember what happened’. Families broken apart, lives ruined. So count the number of people you know like that and then count how many people you know behave like that when they are stoned.  So you think we have our priorities straight? The only solution is to make our world less painful so we don’t need so much to deaden the pain of life with whatever drug we choose. But that’s not likely to happen, is it?

    • Dougal says:

      10:16am | 05/11/10

      The government will never ban alcohol as it is a billion dollar industry, everything in moderation

    • Duncan says:

      10:24am | 05/11/10

      The whole alcohol comparison is a furphy. Alcohol is much more widely used than pot which is why, in total, it causes a lot of damage.

      You only have to look at the fact that most people decide to quit smoking pot after their early 20s but continue drinking for the rest of their lives to see their personal assessment of the effects: alcohol is no big deal, while dope saps your motivation and for some people, their sanity.

    • Bobster says:

      10:37am | 05/11/10

      @ Remlap and Eric,

      I agree - I would also be remiss if I didn’t acknowledge our first ever meeting of minds.

    • Shawn says:

      11:51am | 05/11/10

      Lets ban Eric first. To be honest, he sounds like he still lives with his mum.

    • PaulB says:

      01:15pm | 05/11/10

      Psychiatric Units all over the country are filled with people who thought there was nothing harmful about smoking dope.  Don’t believe me?  Want “Links”?  Go work in one for a while.

    • Bobster says:

      02:40pm | 05/11/10

      @ PaulB, and schools, offices, newsrooms, government departments, hospitals, police stations, mines, building sites and laboratories who thought there was nothing wrong with it and have suffered no consequences. Any proof that’s not anecdotal?

    • Austin 3:16 says:

      05:40pm | 06/11/10

      @Bobster

      Ditto

    • pat says:

      06:11am | 05/11/10

      You recommend increasing the penalities for being caught in possesion of a ‘moderate amount’ of marijuana as a means to reduce use of the drug.  This strategy has never worked anywhere in the world, and nowhere else in this country.  In fact the countries such as the netherlands and portugal where it is fully decriminalised have lower rates of use than we do.  A more sane approach would be to recommend the laws in the rest of the country be liberalised so South Australia is no longer the centre for production for the entire country and all the problems with organised crime that come with it. Making the drug laws harsher is an expensive and hugely innefective method to reduce use of a drug within a society, and will drastically increase the harms associated with it.

    • Ferret says:

      07:40am | 05/11/10

      What so your only response to the point that cannabis growing and use leads to illegal organisation setting up shop and committing crimes is to what… decentralise the growing to spread out the problem. So now each major hub will have its own little set up shop?

      I think you drank way too much bong water as a baby there

    • jace says:

      07:58am | 05/11/10

      Pat, i totally agree. Good call. Zero tolerance has never ever worked.

    • pat says:

      08:01am | 05/11/10

      So what’s your solution - make somethign already illegal more illegal, like that has been a massive success anywhere.  Newsflash Ferret - the cat is out of the bag, there is pot grown in every town and city in the country.

    • Glazwen says:

      08:07am | 05/11/10

      Prohibition in the US strengthened and created many criminal gangs that went on to invest their ill-gotten cash into far worse things. When something is illegal, only the criminals benefit from it. Legalize cannabis (tax it)  and educate people the way you do for alchohol. For my part, I’d rather be around people smoking dope than people drinking alchohol.

    • Buffy says:

      08:21am | 05/11/10

      It’s true - zero tolerance policies don’t work. If people are already breaking existing laws then they will break tougher ones too. So toughening the laws only punishes those that already adhere to the law.

      Yes the story of the boy with the mental illness who will never work is very sad. But there are stories like that all over the country, in places where the laws are tougher. So what’s your point?

    • Marc says:

      08:23am | 05/11/10

      Ferret,

      You miss the point.  The reason why there is crime is because of the legality of pot.  If all other states had the same laws as SA, then the market power of gangs to push SA weed is greatly diminished.

      Prohibition has not and never ever will work.  Stop trying to push a failed agenda with fear.

    • Matt Of Sydney says:

      08:27am | 05/11/10

      I agree Pat. The end result will only be that it becomes harder for the smoker to obtain it. Sound good? Well, at first maybe, but the reality of it is that the only people it will affect will be people who really were just growing one or two at home for themselves. The ‘Outlaw Bikies’ & ‘Organised Crime’ groups are exactly that - Outlaws.. They will do it regardless. The harsher laws will help them by removing competition & therefore meaning they can charge more for their product. That means more money & more power going to these groups, because lets face it - for every truckload of pot the police catch 3 or 4 more get through (if not more)..

    • Joan says:

      09:32am | 05/11/10

      Yeah let`s all blow our minds , let`s give it to toddlers to settle them down. While we are at it- no more speed fines… no more speed limits… people keep speeding so let them speed the faster the better,  let people booze up and drive ... too many laws, too many people breaking laws, so let`s rip up all laws , no more courts, no more prisons, it`s all ineffective so let`s all do as we please.

    • fresh thinking says:

      09:44am | 05/11/10

      @ Glazwen, I agree. Now that we can test drivers and riders if they are under the influence, why not tax and sell it? Perhaps it’s to easily grown by backyard gardeners for the gov to get a cut from every little bit.

    • Ben says:

      10:55am | 05/11/10

      Make it more illegal and watch the prices go up, the linked crime go up, and the criminal activity surrounding it further deepen.

      It is far more wide spread that most people realise and it will never disappear.

      Decriminalisation is proven not to increase usage in a massive way.  If anything the tight government controls that could be placed on it would lead to less strength, less illegal activity, and less issues with it.

      Plus the government could tax it and make even more money wink

    • mike says:

      01:06pm | 05/11/10

      Good one Joan,  what you said really relates to what is going on here..
      I always get a laugh at those who push strawman arguements.

    • Ferret says:

      06:10pm | 05/11/10

      I love you type of people “it isn’t working so why bother…” oh come on. You only have market because you have people to sell to. The problem with the current system is that they are targeting the dealers, so you remove one, another replaces it. Now if you remove the buyers, you have no market.

      It is about time you start targeting the user of illegal drugs, you remove the market, you remove the buyer.

      All of you complain how alcohol is so bad and that its impact on society is this and that. Heck, you are mostly right. So your solution is to release another drug into the market to replace it? Both have academic studies which show ill effect (do not push the medical use path, that is not what you talking about here so you are building a strawman for yourself) yet you praise one whilst hammer the other.

      Read http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rn/2006-07/07rn21.htm
      http://www.mhca.org.au/documents/MHCACannabisfinalLR.pdf

      Most of your arguments are using historical contexts where the targeted group is the dealer (whether it be alcohol, honey dew drops, watermelons or dope) you are effectively passing the blame of market creation from yourself to someone else. You commit the crime in possessing and consuming the drugs, you are the reason why gangs exist that sell the drug, you are responsible for their strength and money supply, you are a casual factor towards other crimes committed in maintaining the market money supply.

      Marc due to the nature of Australia geographic layout, by legalising in other states, all you will do is generate new illegal junkets within those states who will operate at that level. You don’t release the biggest problem you have in SA is you are out smoking your supply. That is what is causing the organisations to exist. Consider this, if you only smoked your one tree supply each, who would they have to sell the product too? You fail this simple concept. Oh wait “One tree isn’t enough” OK what is the medically accept level of THC that you should consume within a day/week? How much can one plant produce to match this? Give me this evidence first. Why you needed to INVITE the illegal dealing to supply your habit?

      Your arguments fail at the most simple logical steps and yet you expect the populace to up and applaud you? You resort to NIMBY methods and appeals to open handed shrugs as your excuse to allow another product onto the market.

      Get a better argument before you bother replying

    • pete stott says:

      06:20am | 05/11/10

      Funny how we have a massive societal problem with alcohol and no-one mentions Dan Murphys opening up everywhere. Giant alcohol warehouses, yep like many of our suburbs need that?

      We have swarms of fat people who are a massive burden on this society but its not politically correct to bag the fast food Macca 24/7 factories that serve up fat.

      Instead let’s go kick the stoners eh? Aussies love the easy targets don’t they Penbo?

      Bill Hicks on drugs
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZqYV9KKOZQ
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J10w3FuCwfQ

    • Dot says:

      08:29am | 05/11/10

      Well said mate, and the Bill Hicks reference is just perfect. What i find scary about heavy handed drug laws is that little Johnny down the road who is perhaps not perfect at school, could just be having a bit of fun with his mates and be treated like some drug fiend when all he was doing was being a young man. Zero tolerance only serves to push it underground which instead of helping actually makes the users, dealers and the products worse.

      Imaging paying $50, and in the $50 is some form of tax money for the government???? why not? Its happening with booze and cigs, i remember when heroin was legal. PS Michael Atkinson is a douch bag leviathan who needs to look at his own words, your a dinosaur mate, go away, you are no longer relevant. And you can take that to court and try and sue me as well, ill even give you the bong smelling shirt off my back.

    • Mike t says:

      11:03am | 05/11/10

      @ Pete.

      Lets for a second assume your evils around alcohol and fast food are correct. How is this then justifying legalizing pot??? surley it supports not doing so. Or is your argument fast food and alcohol destroy people so why cant pot be given the same opportunity.

    • Grumpy says:

      12:47pm | 05/11/10

      @ mike.

      because it becomes controlled and with that assumes the same responsibility by its user as do the laws that govern the use of alcohol and cigarettes. DUH! Alcohol is probably not that damaging to the actual individual using the drug, its the problems they cause to OTHER people that are the problem which is not so much the case with the use of, even excessive use of, cannabis. doooooooood. I use the drug and even i have a a judgemental attitude to its users. Idiots are born not made by smoking bongs..

    • Mike T says:

      02:53pm | 05/11/10

      @ Grumpy…...


      “because it becomes controlled and with that assumes the same responsibility by its user as do the laws that govern the use of alcohol and cigarettes” So your evidnece that it should be legalised is based on the fact that it can be controlled and also it becomes the responsibilty of the user. So should heroin then be legalised under the same preface??? Again im open minded to legalising it but your just giving me no argumnet to do so. Citing other things in our society that cause problems (alcohol etc) dosnet give your argument credibility, it actually takes it away.

      “Idiots are born not made” Correct, hence why govt makes laws for the lowest common denominator (guns being the perfect example). They make these laws to protect the idiots and also to protect us from them.

      Also, i think you err by citing the amount of problems that alcohol causes relative to pot. Alcohol consumption is MUCH more widley spread, so your argument dosent hold much water. Sort of like saying Cars and much riskier then hang gliders because more people die in cars…... did you see the logic with that one

    • albe says:

      06:31am | 05/11/10

      Legalisation if done correctly would encourage a health based approach, which could help to moderate people’s usage and open up non-smoking alternatives like vapor and baked goodies.

      But ultimately the law is really a side issue for people who’ll continue to make the smart choice of weed over alcohol. Its all about when the law will catch up with us. Fact is people will always want some sort of recreational drug… i know i’m doing the right thing by my body and the people around me by not choosing alcohol.

    • Tripper Smurf says:

      09:56am | 05/11/10

      Agreed…  Most people in my social group would prefer a smoke to a drink any day of the week… Its more social and there is less risk of some stupid git getting into a punch

    • Loretta says:

      06:35am | 05/11/10

      I think your view of Adelaide is out of date. We often complain The youth of Adelaide arent the fun loving pot heads they used to be. Its all alcohol energy drink cocktails and soy lattes now.

    • Ben says:

      08:05am | 05/11/10

      Agree Loretta, sounds like penbo’s stuck in 1995. As for Melbourne and coffee? Bad coffee maybe….

    • Rob says:

      06:39am | 05/11/10

      “there is now so much evidence of the links between dope smoking and mental illness”

      Would you mind pointing me to that evidence.  This is a serious question, you state there is an abundance of evidence but don’t even cite one?

    • Patrick says:

      07:32am | 05/11/10

      Rob there actually is a fair amount of evidence linking marijuana use to paranoid schizophrenia, see the Horizon documentary “Cannabis - The Evil Weed” for a fairly good rundown on the latest research from a few months ago.

      What David doesn’t mention, or doesn’t know, is the other side of the coin, namely that researchers in Britain have worked out a way to synthesize the other active part of the plant for use in medicines, and that it itself is the most perfect anti-schizophrenic chemical we’ve seen yet.

      Problem being that to get CBD - the other active part - to grow, you sacrifice your THC content, meaning that all these people growing hydroponically are actually really damaging their brains. It’s possible to get marijuana that has the perfect ratio, so you theoretically wouldn’t suffer symptoms of schizophrenia no matter how much you smoked, but most (idiotic) people grow for a target of 20% + THC these days, which is far too much.

    • Reg says:

      07:50am | 05/11/10

      The only solid evidence I have is that number three daughter, the “hope of the side,” lost her brilliant edge once she took to pot. She’s now driving taxis. No doubt there are some who are more susceptible to harm than others but besides that, I do not see the wisdom in deliberately dragging any smoke into the lungs, ever.

      I WAS impressed though, by the lady filtering it through water in treatment of a medical condition, which is also the only reason I’ve considered it for myself.

    • Jem says:

      07:56am | 05/11/10

      Patrick, it’s so not an evil weed. Evil alcohol and pharmaceuticals is more like it. Way bigger issues than pot, (ice, heroin, cocaine for example), a plant with alot of good properties. Millions use pot everyday and i don’t hear of many getting hurt. Alcohol tho is a HUGE problem, people drink driving, fighting, domestic violence. Everyone needs to think more about it, even if you don’t use it, why do you care if others do? It’s not hurting anyone.

      Australia is dragging behind the rest of the world (as usual) with laws regarding pot. America, Europe, Canada and others have such a soft approach on pot now, and it is working. Plus it really helps people with chronic pain issues. So much better than addictive opioids. A hand full of doctors around here have mentioned to a few people I know to use pot if it helps them. They just have to be careful about our outdated laws regarding it tho.

    • myne says:

      08:29am | 05/11/10

      The question when it comes to evidence is whether it’s correlation or causation.
      For example, it’s been shown that people with ADD/ADHD are more likely to smoke. They’re also quite likely to have parents that smoked.
      We can look at that and say AHAH! Smoking causes ADD.
      Or is it that the nicotine provides a therapeutic relief for ADD sufferers?
      In fact, the latter is more likely. The drugs used to treat ADD work on dopamine. So does nicotine.
      As Patrick says (below or above) at least one of the ingredients in weed works against schitzophrenia. So, does weed cause the schitzophrenic, or does the schitzophrenic turn to weed?

    • Max Vaunted says:

      09:05am | 05/11/10

      Rob, please don’t kid yourself. Apart from the numerous scholarly studies (see my post below, and others) on the negative psychiatric effects of cannabis, I can tell you about a close family friend who after taking up marijuana use as a senior schoolboy descended in just a few years from being a mentally balanced and sports playing school leader to being shot down dead in the street by police, the tragic culmination of a prolonged psychosis that began with his drug usage.

    • Kam says:

      09:06am | 05/11/10

      @Jem - You say “America” has a soft approach on pot? Not true. I think you are confusing certain STATE laws with FEDERAL law. While some states are relatively liberal in regards to pot, some states are down right HARSH. Dangerously harsh, as is Federal law enforcement. Feds are even able to prosecute those in states with relaxed laws simply because state law does not override federal. Id think twice before comparing us to the Americans. For every state you think is liberal towards marijuana, i can name you three more that will lock you up for 3 grams.

    • Susannah says:

      10:33am | 05/11/10

      @Max Vaunted - and I can tell you MANY stories about people who smoke pot and are not affected mentally in any way and MANY stories about drunken violent MURDERING people. I can name names if required as they’ve been in the newspaper anyway for their murders. One was my sister in laws brother, stabbed his housemate through the heart when both drunk because my inlaws brother was angry the housemate had put his beer cans next to his chair and not in the bin.  Not moving beer cans is reason for murder apparently but hey he was drinking, that’s not as bad as pot apparently.? You know ONE bad story about pot, I know a lot of good pot stories and many bad alcohol stories.  I left my husband who was a violent drunk. My older sister was with an Alcoholic who used to drink Metho and Raspberry cordial at his worst. He once chased her around the outside of the house firing shots at her. He threw my 8mth old niece, in her bath of water, out the loungeroom window because my sister had put her in the way of his view of the TV (except he wasn’t there when she did it).  What’s worse with Drunks is they don’t remember the next day!  Pot smokers are generally happy and relaxed people who are forced to purchase their pot via organised criminals or risk growing it themselves because our laws don’t allow it to be sold and taxed.  My dad died of cancer but we couldn’t legally get him any pot (vapour) to help him through the final month of pain so he was so doped up he couldn’t really even communicate with us :(  I even walked into a pub and yelled out in desperation “who can sell me some pot for my dying dad” and no one did, dunno if I looked like a police woman or something but I thought pot was easy to get at a pub.

      As for research about people with mental issues and pot.  Of the MILLIONS of people who smoke pot, what is the percentage of them with proven mental issues caused by pot?

      If people could grow their own pot there wouldn’t be a need for the “black market”.

    • Terry Wright says:

      11:25am | 05/11/10

      Just this year, Keele University in the UK researched the issue of cannabis causing mental health disorders. They found that while there was a 400% increase in cannabis use since 1980, the number of mental health disorders actually decreased slightly.

      If cannabis caused as many mental health problems as Penbo and co. are claiming, we would need 100 new hospitals just to deal with them.

      Just another biased beatup with no evidence. And quoting Michael Atkinson only further diminishes Penbo’s cause.

      It’s really simple ... dope does NOT cause schizophrenia or psychosis for 95% of the community when used in moderation. It does however increase the chances if you have a family history of mental health disorders or are in your teens. Alcohol causes far more mental health problems than cannabis but we never hear that argument.

      Articles like this are just hilarious. Nearly every problem mentioned is a result of prohibition - the very thing this article supports. Of course pot will be more visible in SA when it has very liberal laws but that would be fixed if the whole of Australia had similar policies. More people would wave around a joint in other states if they too had more relaxed laws.

      I am still amazed that articles like this get published. The science is in and you need only look to the CURRENT research to find the truth. Why does junk science and cherry picked research always get supported in the trash media?

      As you can see from the bulk of comments here, any rational person who has bothered to do a bit of research knows that articles like this are biased. You can’t argue with facts, science and history.

    • Super D says:

      07:01am | 05/11/10

      I’m all for people smoking as much pot as they can afford for themselves.  There is no human right to get taxpayer funded benefits to enable you to spend your life stoned.  The same applies for alcohol and even heroin. 

      The libertarian in me says if you can do it and not impact on anyone else either through your behaviour or through your need for taxpayer support then go for it.

    • Bob says:

      09:57am | 05/11/10

      Totally agree with the last paragraph. Ultimately, people should have the right to do what they want provided it does not harm to others.

    • sam says:

      07:02am | 05/11/10

      This article is pretty anecdotal. I expected better from you, Penbo.

    • steve parker says:

      07:15am | 05/11/10

      You have been away from the streets of Marion too long Penbo! One of Adelaide’s charms is its liberal lifestyle courtesy of people like the great Don Dunston. What would you have us become - like Ashfield, Richmond or Templestowe run by the Kennealys and Brumbys? No way my friend - let us quietly keep our laid back and pleasant lifestyle thanks very much. Another Kay Brothers Hillside shiraz for you David?

    • BJ says:

      10:01am | 05/11/10

      Liberal lifestyle? In Adelaide? Love my home town and all but is the most uptight city in the country. Melb and Syd are perhaps over-regulated, but at least have less ultra-conservatives. It is this that makes the dope issue an even funnier one.
      People know about it but there’s this strange taboo in talking about it. Yes mum all those greenhouses in Virginia are full of tomatoes…...........

    • steviep says:

      11:44am | 05/11/10

      ....and a 5 hour round trip to get to work if the trains and trams are working! Thanks but no thanks. As I said, another Hillside shiraz from Kay Brothers BJ, ten minutes from the centre of the City to beaches and Hills? You are only ultra-conservative if you yourself choose to be - no one makes you like that. PS. pass the potting mix matey.

    • Mayday says:

      07:25am | 05/11/10

      Very disappointed at the factual ignorance of the article, lazy writing or towing the government line either way wrong, wrong, wrong!

      The UK is way ahead in medical research and the social impact of the drug being illegal, California’s P19 legislation, even though beaten at the vote, recognised the medical benefits of the drug and the possibility of an industry which will bring much needed tax dollars.

      Take a few minutes and go to the Lancet website, good well conducted studies show that the incidence of schizophrenia is falling whereas the use of cannabis is rising and so that link no longer stands scrutiny.

      From a country were alcohol consumption is very high, excuse the pun, it really is a bit rich for the powers that be to go down the prohibition path again!

      the medical

    • Mike T says:

      11:15am | 05/11/10

      “:Take a few minutes and go to the Lancet website, good well conducted studies show that the incidence of schizophrenia is falling whereas the use of cannabis is rising and so that link no longer stands scrutiny”

      A bit of a long bow seeing to link the decrease in schizphhrenia with the increase in rising canabis. Whilst we do not know the caus of the disease we know the risk factorsh there are many. One of these risk factors is without doubt Pot acorring to almost all medical evidence.

      From a scientific point of view, a decrease in the usage of pot does not show proff of no causal relationship seeing that there is so many other risk factors that could have attributed to the decline in the disease.

    • Ryan says:

      07:30am | 05/11/10

      Prohibition benifits organized crime, police and detention facilities budgets, the media, terrorist organizations, and politicians who see tough on drugs as an easy crowd pleaser. Meanwhile billions of dollars are wasted, drug users become criminals, and our gaols are full, as we blindly follow the past agenda set by the U.S. The tragic irony is that much of Europe and now the U.S. are moving towards an end to prohibition, the failure of prohibition has never been more obvious. Our laws are supposed to protect us, not cause more harm than the ‘perceived threat’ The harm caused by alcohol consumption and cigarette addiction is so significantly greater than the adverse affects of cannabis use. It would be nice to hear some of the benefits of using cannabis, lets face it, why on earth would some states, like California in the United States of America be allowing this wonderful herb to be enjoyed as treatment for many ailments from Asthma to Anxiety, Cancer, Anorexia and Alzheimer’s to name a few.

    • nlc says:

      07:34am | 05/11/10

      An opinion piece with no facts to back it up. Interesting on the back of the article I read on this same site yesterday saying that alcohol does far greater damage to our communities than marijuana…. more damage even than heroin and speed!

      These “potheads” come from all walks of life, not just your couch-bound variety. Way to generalise.

    • Dave says:

      07:35am | 05/11/10

      Please state where you got your information that smoking dope causes mental illness. Let me guess… was it from a Govt website? Dont talk about stuff you obviously have no idea about, or at least check your facts from credible sources.

    • Reg says:

      08:04am | 05/11/10

      Just by way of comment and related to my previous input, I am NOT convinced that pot smokers are in a position to self-assess their loss or gain. Is that too incredible?

    • Nicole says:

      09:10am | 05/11/10

      @Dave, google canabis psychosis.

    • Sasha says:

      09:57am | 05/11/10

      Cannabis can cause psychosis, just as Alcohol can cause cirrhosis of the liver.

      Use either in moderation and you’ll be fine!

    • Reg says:

      12:22pm | 05/11/10

      Sacha, by comparison, cirrhosis of the liver is first, after long and excessive exposure to alcohol, and second, self debilitating.  Pot induced psychosis can have immediate and unexpected onset and is more likely to be injurious to others as well.  That’s apart from all the intermediate problems such as driving under the influence of either.

    • Bill says:

      07:36am | 05/11/10

      The problem seems to be unemployment and boredom, so why doesn’t Punch and its friends do something positive to deal with unemployment and boredom? Although I wonder why people in Adelaide support jokes like the Crows and Port Power, they do not deserve this type of criticism when they are having a hard time. Are the Punch writers ready to start to publicly oppose the ridiculous and one sided “level playing field” policies which have lead to greedy Australians and their overseas friends to virtually stealing our food security and manufacturing jobs from under our noses?
      I don’t think there has been a time in human history when drugs like alcohol and cannabis have not been in use, despite various prohibition regimes. All the prohibition is doing is making money for criminals and distracting Police and Customs staff from securing our country. Do some work to get cannabis and other drugs on the same legal and moral footing as tobacco, ie legally controlled but not socially acceptable. Ruin the criminals’ earning power and use the additional Customs and Police manhours to improve security.

    • pink panther says:

      07:37am | 05/11/10

      Wow, what an article, first it says it fuels bikie gangs and now its responsible for unemployment!

      I think 10 plants is a bit much but 3 - 5 is fine. It should be fined for public use, but, bong water my friend is emotional hyping of the issue.

      That would mean Canberra and the people and families that live there (yes I am reffering to politicians) are high…. o my god… its bong water and explains the policies we are getting!

      Get real, provided its only done in the home and not effecting the workplace then, S.A has it right.

      It reduces court, jail crowding, provides some revenue from fines, and all in all reduces the “facination” factor

    • Bazza says:

      07:38am | 05/11/10

      What else would you do in Adeliade anyhow, get stoned, nothing else to do is there????

    • James says:

      07:41am | 05/11/10

      Why do you hate freedom? The problem is that the laws didnt go far enough.

    • Jason Daniels says:

      07:42am | 05/11/10

      Cigarettes, alcohol and prescription drugs cause more deaths and lifelong misery than dope ever will. Would anyone trust any government to act in their community interest when they act with nothing but hypocrisy. This article was poorly researched and written. Did you spill YOUR bong water last night David?

    • Reg says:

      08:26am | 05/11/10

      I believe the term medication is intended to differentiate the legal from the illegal Jason.  But you’re right. Many of the side effects of medication are played down so they can be marketed for one particular use only. They warn against side-effects as if you should expect anything, there-by rendering the warning useless. I am currently in withdrawal from a medication that has a SIX month half-life. A heart medication that caused Thyroid damage and lung damage equivalent to asbestosis. Except that I believe pot causes heart rate acceleration, pot could not have been worse.

    • Jypster says:

      07:43am | 05/11/10

      “there is now so much evidence of the links between dope smoking and mental illness”

      Would you mind pointing me to that evidence.  This is a serious question, you state there is an abundance of evidence but don’t even cite one?”

      Also while you are reseaching this why don’t you put a bit more effort into it and see some of the studies they are doing where they using THC for the treatment of some mental illnesses ?  Balanced reporting is surely not that hard but then again this is an opinon piece

    • Max Vaunted says:

      07:44am | 05/11/10

      Rob, for one example please refer to the following paper: British Journal of Psychiatry (2001), 178, 116-122 “Psychiatric effects of cannabis” by Andrew Johns http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/reprint/178/2/116.
      The results and conclusions of this study state that “an appreciable proportion of cannabis users report short-lived adverse effects, including psychotic states following heavy consumption, and regular users are at risk of dependence. People with major mental illnesses such as schizophrenia are especially vulnerable in that cannabis generally provokes relapse and aggravates existing symptoms. Health workers need to recognise, and respond to, the adverse effects of cannabis on mental health.”

    • RGG says:

      08:36am | 05/11/10

      Alcohol doesn’t do any of these things.

      LOL jk yes it does ban all alcohol death to Dan Murphys

    • Pix says:

      08:47am | 05/11/10

      So does that mean we should ban alcohol because some people are susceptible to kidney disease? No drug, either legal or illegal, is 100% safe for 100% of the population yet those of us who enjoy pot are turmed into criminals for doing so.

    • Shane says:

      07:45am | 05/11/10

      “The sad reality is that for many Adelaide households the defining aroma is the sickly stench of bong water.”

      - Sorry David, but the ‘sad’ reality (which isn’t sad at all) is that this is happening all over Australia, and has been for along time. And the smell is awesome, such a lovely aroma. It is just a plant you know? You sound like you are talking about some disgusting chemical or something.

      Canberra also had the rule you were allowed to grow a few and it also had a huge influx of people growing indoor hydro on a massive scale so they stopped it. Sydney has to be the capitol of hydro pot tho, every week or so there is a bust on a ‘grow house’. Why the government doesn’t make new laws to put these big crime syndicates out of business is beyond me. All over America now the police are not even worrying about people with less than an ounce, it’s a small fine.

      Almost everyone I know and talk to would like to have medical pot here and also be able to grow your own for personal use, and if the government started to tax it and sell it legally, then the big crime gangs who set up large grow houses would be out of business, because everyone could buy it from a pharmacy say for alot cheaper and better quality than what they buy today off criminals.

      It’s so two faced when we all know alcohol is so much more dangerous and ruins so many more lives than pot (has anyone even died from just pot before?),
      and so does tobacco products, but those are allowed? Seems so weird. Get a bunch of stoned people together and they just wont to laugh and eat, get a bunch of drunks about and it can turn nasty and violent easily.

      But when doctors and pharmacies are allowed to hand out heroin pills (oxy contin and the like) and heroin addicts are allowed methadone legally and allowed to shoot up heroin in Kings Cross, and people are allowed to buy as much alcohol and tobacco products and trash themselves everyday legally, i find it very weird pot is still so very illegal here. Backwards thinking from along time ago. Zero tolerance has failed the world over, time to re-think the laws i believe.

      That so called evidence about pot and mental illness is such a load of !@#$, so many people take so many other drugs too like ice and all sorts of garbage and then when they go mentally psychotic they blame it on pot? And alot of thee people probably have or had mental issues before the drugs of any sort anyway. So many millions of people use pot and hardly any are getting hurt, even using it daily. So get real.

    • Sasha says:

      08:42am | 05/11/10

      Bong water stinks to high heaven and bongs are disgusting, but joints smell lovely!

    • albe says:

      09:07am | 05/11/10

      Vapor tastes better ! And makes the weed last longer, then turn the leftovers in cookies or joints raspberry

    • stu pid says:

      07:45am | 05/11/10

      So the problem is organised crime dealing drugs but you want to penalise some hippy who grows for personal use? Awesome.

    • Dom says:

      07:47am | 05/11/10

      Indeed there is not a lot to do in Adelaide if you are single, as the mindset of many is very conservative and has its fundamental beliefs set in religion and cultural dogma.  Similarly cultural expectations to conform are rampant depending on who your friends are and who you conform to.  The widespread use of cannabis is a very symbolic metaphor, as it represents the inner desire of many to expand their consciousness.  Banning the substance does little more than to limit an already very constrained culture, that would more than likely result in an increase in their intake of alcohol.  Placing taboos and restrictions on anything will also make it more desirable and worth more on the black market.  That is human nature.

    • Rossco says:

      08:17am | 05/11/10

      “as the mindset of many is very conservative and has its fundamental beliefs set in religion and cultural dogma.” I dont know which Adelaideans you have been talking to but a vast number I know are atheists. I know that Adelaide is referred to as the city of Churches but there is a vast number of new and old that disavow religion in general.

    • ps says:

      08:19am | 05/11/10

      “not a lot to do in Adelaide if you are single”
      Dom, you need to get out more. How about: bushwalking, surfing, swimming, music, camping, live music, botanic gardens, Morialta, Waterfall Gully, Flinders Ranges. No it’s not Sydney or Melbourne. If you don’t like it why do you stay? People who are bored are usually boring.

    • Bob Marley says:

      07:47am | 05/11/10

      Love the photo captioned “monster heads” showing a bunch of leafy plants no where near starting to mature

    • james says:

      08:16am | 05/11/10

      hahaha yeah moster heads? Not in that pic… Good call Bob.

    • Patrick says:

      08:37am | 05/11/10

      Yeah it was pretty funny, you can tell Dave’s not a smoker.

    • Bella says:

      08:45am | 05/11/10

      LOL i was thinking the exact same thing

    • Bernie says:

      08:52am | 05/11/10

      LOL you are right! I had to go back and look but there is no buds on that plant labelled monster heads.

    • Peter Tosh says:

      03:47pm | 05/11/10

      The Punch know what heads look like, they’re just playing dumb.

    • rufus says:

      07:49am | 05/11/10

      I think that’s the poorest article I’ve read on the subject of marijuana. Factless opinion. David, I’d say that you failed to establish that the SA laws have led to any harm, except that you really made no specific claim that they have done. You’ve claimed that they’ve led to increased use of marijuana (with no supporting evidence) but where’s the harm in that?

      We know why you haven’t provided evidence that the laws have caused harm, don’t we? It’s because the evidence shows that marijuana is not very harmful. Why don’t you be honest and acknowledge that? The most harmful substance of consumption by far is alcohol, and if any laws need tightening, it’s those laws.

      Why don’t you provide a case why all states should not adopt a law similar to SA, and treat people as adults by allowing them to use marijuana as they see fit?

    • Chris Pridham says:

      10:14am | 05/11/10

      “My guess is you’d see more of those families in Adelaide than in the rest of the country because of our weird, failed experiment.”

      Your guess? For crying out loud, I can guess.

      Is this what passes for journalistic rigour these days?

    • glenn says:

      07:49am | 05/11/10

      I would be interested to know how S.A.‘s alcohol consumption per capita is being affected. This interest in regard to cannibis consumption is not being instigated by the alcohol lobby by any chance.

    • JJ says:

      07:50am | 05/11/10

      Marijuana is far less toxic and less addictive than alcohol.
      Long-term marijuana use is far less damaging than long-term alcohol use.
      Alcohol use contributes to aggressive behavior and acts of violence, whereas marijuana use reduces the likelihood of violent behavior.
      Alcohol use is highly associated with violent crime, whereas marijuana use is not.
      Alcohol use contributes to the likelihood of domestic violence and sexual assault and marijuana use does not.
      Alcohol use is prevalent in cases of sexual assault and date rape, whereas marijuana use is not considered a contributing factor in cases of sexual assault and date rape.
      Alcohol use contributes to reckless behavior and serious injuries, and it is highly associated with emergency room visits, whereas marijuana use does not contribute to such behavior and injuries, and is seldomly associated with emergency room visits.

    • Ben says:

      07:50am | 05/11/10

      We should just cut off welfare to the lazy bums, unless they WORK for the DOLE.  (Anyone who is genuinely out of work, my sympathies, but I know that you wont mind working for the dole anyway, so this isn’t pointed to you).

    • amba says:

      12:52pm | 05/11/10

      lol i dont know if u have ever done work for the dole, but i can tell you - it is a joke. my ‘work for the dole’ many years ago involved me and a small group of people sitting on computers supposedly being taught how to ‘make a personal website’ using basically a template off another website and putting a resume on it… hmm informative. What about us parents at home, what should we do? i was made redundant when i was pregnant, i had no choice in my loss of job.  i am looking for work again but theres not a lot out there i can get and still be around for my daughter. What would be your solution there?

    • bassling says:

      07:50am | 05/11/10

      You identify a problem in modern strains of hydroponic cannabis with high levels of THC, I agree with that.

      Painting all cannabis users as long-term unemployed isn’t correct though. I’ve smoked for 21 years and have three uni degrees, a happy family and a great CV.

      I think the comments above mine criticising the role of alcohol in many social issues are correct. I’ve been assaulted by drunks, seen drinkers crash cars and fear for my safety on a Friday or Saturday night in the city.

    • Lisa says:

      07:51am | 05/11/10

      And guess what…...a crop has of 1720 plants has just been discovered in a National Park in NEW SOUTH WALES…....not Adelaide…..so I don’t think it really matters if there is a 10 plant rule, 1 plant rule or Zero plant rule - as those who want to make a business out of this will do so regardless no matter what the law states…

    • Reg says:

      08:33am | 05/11/10

      Lisa I can point you to two house within five miles of where I live in Sydney that were used for nothing else but growing pot.  Anyhow I understood from my potential supplier that NSW had a two plant rule.

    • Bob H says:

      07:58am | 05/11/10

      Cannabis is not my thing but I respect individual rights, for contributing members of society, and smoking cannabis is within reason.  Underclasses smoking the stuff regularly may be of concern but alcohol’s impact for couch dwellers would be a much higher concern as a de-motivator. 
      It should be “No job, no grog”.  That should get them going.

    • Bob says:

      10:03am | 05/11/10

      I applaud your balanced view!

    • SM says:

      07:58am | 05/11/10

      Yes David, if the government hadn’t de-criminalised pot back in the 80’s, no-one would be ableto get any now…

    • Bobster says:

      09:44am | 05/11/10

      Exactly. I remember it well. Until 1980 there was no pot. Pot is new. Before the 80s we had to make do with speed, heroin and cocaine - substances which have now been all but eradicated thanks to our air-tight drug laws.

    • Panther says:

      07:59am | 05/11/10

      This article was a giant waste of my time. We read the same exact words over and over again every single year yet they always fail to mention that canabis - when grown naturally - has health benefits. OR the fact that I do not know one single person who smokes pot YET I know that plenty of my friends’ families have been ruined by VB and other booze. This is exactly like the “girls are too thin” articles that mention that one in 9999 girls are getting sick because they are way too thin. Yet they do not mention that one in 3 (or something) is going to die at the age of 35 because of their daily maccas diet and 200kg weight.

    • Bill says:

      07:59am | 05/11/10

      Penbo, Can you please provide links to the evidence that large numbers of dope smokers are developing mental illness as a result ? From what I see large portions of the community still smoke the stuff at least occasionally, and most of them are successful business people or professionals like your good self.

    • Reg says:

      12:08pm | 05/11/10

      Bill can you provide links to prove that smoking pot is less harmful than smoking cigarettes on a one to one basis?

    • Liam says:

      08:00am | 05/11/10

      The definition of insanity is repeating the same actions and expecting a different outcome each time. When will people learn that until you address the reason people smoke, harsher penalties will not work to prevent usage. It has never worked in the past…

    • Simon says:

      08:05am | 05/11/10

      Sorry but there have been no studies that have directly linked marijuana use to schizophrenia, there is plenty of evidence that those bordering on schizophrenia will be likely to smoke marijuana but it has never been directly linked as a cause.
      Remember correlation is not causation.
      The Horizon documentary mentioned above does point out evidence that people under the age of 18 can be adversely affected from smoking it due to the fact that their brains are still developing however I see that as more of a reason for legalization. I remember when I was a teenager it was allot easier to get weed than it was booze because dealers didn’t care if we were over 18 where as the bottle shop did.

    • Terry Wright says:

      10:43am | 05/11/10

      Simon, you have the nail on the head.

      For those pushing the mental health agenda, they nearly always leave this important information out.

      It’s really simple ... dope does NOT cause schizophrenia or psychosis for 95% of the community when used in moderation. It does however increase the chances if you have a family history of mental health disorders or are in your teens.

      Just like violent drunks or those who get depressed from alcohol, shouldn’t drink, either should those who have a negative reaction to cannabis.

      BTW, the rise of stronger cannabis is a direct result of prohibition. If it was legal, we might have some control on THC and cannabinoid levels.

      This article is yet another ignorant, self serving attempt to fool people. It is called “drug hysteria” and championed by the media.

      Well done, Penbo!

    • IT Systems Admin says:

      08:07am | 05/11/10

      Pot doesn’t ruin lives. A poor aproach to life in general does that.
      How many top executives can you name that drink or smoke tobacco?
      I can name plenty of tertiary qualified, highly skilled workers and executives that smoke pot regularly (some of them on a daily basis). It’s just that it’s one thing they do… not the ONLY thing they do. And I’d be willing to bet that they’re all finacially better off than most people reading this.
      Moderation people. You wouldn’t consider it OK to be drunk while performing your daily tasks… so why do it stoned. Get stoned in your down-time. The rest of you nay-sayers need to lighten up.

    • Pushbiker says:

      08:10am | 05/11/10

      Intresting stuff from Atkinson, the bloke who tried to enforce bloggers to be identified, especially in SA, which runs not on the smell of bong water - but the stench of suspician of corrutption, by not having an ICAC.. ask him that?.. Bong heads, either self medicate or are driven nuts by the stuff.. Metally ill, through to strong weed.. The answer legalise, tax and control, will be worth billions and can keep the strong stuff illegal, thoug does require a sense of wanting to help the victims sad as though the SA govt seemingly has a commitment to keeping the poor poor, as they just keep on voting labor back in!!!!...........

    • Matt says:

      08:15am | 05/11/10

      I am happy to take a libertarian approach to marijuana but I must admit I find the pro-dope arguments quite amusing. In my (admittedly anecdeotal) experience, those areas where marajuana use is high are much poorer and suffer from other systemic social problems such as crime etc. In addition, those people that I know smoked a lot when they were younger are almost universally less successful (however you want to define it) than those who were abstainers and/or occasional users.

      It’s all very well to argue that people should be able to consume whatever the hell they want - I’m for that too - but to argue that Marijuana use is healthy and should be promoted is beyond ridiculous. Drugs really ARE bad, mmmkay - take them at your peril

    • sandra says:

      08:55am | 05/11/10

      How about this pro-dope argument then?:

      A study released last week by evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa that further confirms findings of previous studies that ‘smart people do more drugs’. It comes down to evolution- as humans we need to constantly evolve and adapt to our changing environments. According the the scientists it is the smartest of our species that continually push the boundaries (including drugs) that further our evolution. Repeated polls of users show (and, yes, this is a direct quote):

      ““Very bright” individuals (with IQs above 125) are roughly three-tenths of a standard deviation more likely to consume psychoactive drugs than “very dull” individuals (with IQs below 75).”

      So, Matt, honestly I have no idea how you judge success but I’m more than willing to bet that according to my personal I’m miles ahead of you in the success factor….smarter too :p

    • Matt says:

      01:46pm | 05/11/10

      Thanks for that info, Sandra. Just one question, did the study state that taking drugs increased the subject’s IQ? If not, I don’t see its relevance to the point I made. “Smart people” I knew who were habitual users of marijuana have fared less well in meeting life’s struggles than those “smart people” who were not. Those people who were less intelligent and were habitual smokers fared less well than those less intelligent people who were not. Ceteris paribus, drug use did not seem to help that small subset of people I knocked around with growing up. Funnily enough, the big drinkers seemed to have straightened out just fine. Your experience may differ, of course, and perhaps my sample is unrepresentative. That has been my experience however.

      Looking at the potheads I grew up with and where life has taken them has been the biggest single reason I can think of to encourage others to avoid habitual marijuana use.

      PS: I never claimed to be successful ... smile

    • Tripper Smurf says:

      02:06pm | 05/11/10

      @Sandra,

      I would love to get a link for this research as it would give me some proof to show the people who believe that I cannot have an IQ of 180+ and still smoke weed every day!  In fact my IQ has gone up over the last 15 years of smoking every day if you believe the testings!

      Thanks heaps ey!

    • Lee says:

      08:15am | 05/11/10

      I would like to see some of the supposed “evidence of the links between dope smoking and mental illness” that indicates that pot should be made completely illegal. How about the impacts of tobacco? Have a look at the following article with studies and references from The British Medical Journal.

      http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20030918/marijuana-smoking-doesnt-kill

      A great documentary to check out is The Union.

    • Bert says:

      08:18am | 05/11/10

      Having lived in 2 country towns in NSW, Canberra & now Adelaide, and having worked in Sydney I can tell you that it is everywhere, it is easy to get and you will NEVER stop it. As for the mental illness line, these people would have the same effects if they were taking excessive amounts of alchohol .It is in their genetic make up and any drug would trigger it off,

    • Kev S says:

      08:20am | 05/11/10

      If you are going to post claims about it causing mental illness then you need to use sources to back up your argument.

      The funny thing is that in recent research they have actually found the complete opposite to causing mental illness, And they have found that they only people who developed a mental illness from it were already susceptible and had a 95%+ chance of already developing it without the weed.

      Been smoking now every day for 6 years, Work in a professional field and earn $90,000+ Bonus’s. I think for a “Mentally ill Pothead” im doing alright, hey?

    • Lizzie Mack says:

      09:15am | 05/11/10

      So true Kev…. I’ve been smoking now for 35 years (yes thats thirty-five!) - am a $80k+ worker in a corporate field and have always worked during the day and smoked to relax at night!  Having a few joints is much more pleasant and healthier for my body than guzzling wine to get a buzz!  I chuckle at all the hype about what ‘dope’ does to ones mental capacity - well you would’nt believe the ideas I have come up with while ‘under the influence’ - e.g. drive thru coffee (and yes they are now a reality) for one…. I do agree that some of the hydro gear is a bit too much for young brains to handle but if we could ALL grow one or two plants outside we would all be much better off!  As for the picture - sorry David but they are only tips, NOT monster heads…!

    • Jaz says:

      08:21am | 05/11/10

      So far there is about 45 comments and 40+ of them are pro-pot. Very interesting.

    • Someone says:

      08:50am | 05/11/10

      yup

    • Reg says:

      06:11pm | 05/11/10

      Wot, none neutral, I think not. I notice also that the pro-pot are very much on the defensive simply because they are users. You still have to try your first joint completely blind to any pre-disposition to a bad reaction.  As one inclined to a swift reaction to any medication I feel that pot is ill advised for me and no doubt there are others. I keep coming back to the observation that 5% (?) of the population do not have the enzyme to convert codeine into morphine in the blood-stream. So Panadeine doesn’t work for them. What other variations may there be that cause problems with social drug consumption?

    • MJ says:

      08:23am | 05/11/10

      Hey DP even surgeon generals of the US state that MJ in not a toxic substance. Sure it causes minority of people some problems, but not the majority. The fact that it is illegal actually causes users more problems than the drug itself. If legal and regulated, it would not be a gateway drug as it would not be peddled by “dealers” who often peddle other substances as well. Your article is naive and ignorant and devoid of evidence. Legal cannabis will empower people to make informed decisions. Shame on you.

    • Tom says:

      08:25am | 05/11/10

      Legalise it, but don’t give job seeker benefits to regular users of it. Stops the criminal cartels and stops people from becoming the stereotypical lazy potheads.

    • Gwen says:

      08:25am | 05/11/10

      I am a mother of four and a grandmother of 6. God created this wonderful plant for our enjoyment and I have been using it responsibly for nearly 50 years. I do not go out robbing banks, bashing people or hoon drive. I am a contributing member of society who respects others rights and privacy. I wish the fun police would just relax and get off their high moral ground and keep there laws away from my body..

    • tripper30392093 says:

      12:27pm | 05/11/10

      Go Gwen you’re a mad nanna

    • Reg says:

      08:51am | 06/11/10

      I want to meet you Gwen, you sound like a really interesting person. smile

      I shared a room in hospital with a life-long pot grower, user and, I assume, supplier. A great guy, except at midnight when the nurse was slow leaving her cross-word to tend to his needs. His wife supported the lovely family and his kids were totally opposed to drug use of any sort.  He also told me he would be very angry if any of his kids took up his life-style. He even offered to help me with plant cultivation for which I shall remain ever grateful. I just didn’t want to put him to the trouble. Do you win at Bingo Gwen?

    • Bond, Rupert Bond says:

      08:26am | 05/11/10

      Throw in a few of the usual stereotypes like poor people, unmotivated high school kids, bikies, THC levels increasing and lets see if we can hype up a otherwise non topic. Epic fail.

      The idea of allowing people to grow a couple plants that are not allowed to be done through Hydro sounds like a really good policy (while going heavy on the real dealers). If it were applied uniformly across the country a lot of the money gained through the distribution would be eradicated.

    • Prickley Pete says:

      08:28am | 05/11/10

      Making drugs illegal only clogs up the justice system so that there is nowhere to put violent criminals. Why not legalise drugs? Have drugs professionally manufactured and easy to obtain, this would cut out the black market and current, potentially violent drug culture. The government would get it’s share of the pie through the appropriate taxes (of course). Having regulations would also cut out the back yard drug factories and make drug use safer. I find it hard to contemplate how drug use is any worse than alcohol usage.

    • So I Think says:

      08:29am | 05/11/10

      Bit of a problem when youve got crackpot legislators who apparently smoke the stuff.

    • cigs & alcohol kill millions says:

      08:30am | 05/11/10

      you should do some more research, google “Dr Lester Grinspoon” or watch a canadian dvd called “the Union” for a better understanding on the subject
      I can’t imagine to many bikers are watering plant every day do you?

    • simon says:

      08:31am | 05/11/10

      I’m not sure what your getting at with this article, maybe it’s some form of personal opionated vendetta. Marijuana is much safer than alcohol, virtually all the new studies prove this, I think your opinion has little validity.
      Marijuana should be legalised, I thought we were a progressive society, but alas we seem to be ruled by a nanny state mentality!!!

    • double standards says:

      08:32am | 05/11/10

      it’s the same as MDMA. the drug isnt hurting people. policing the crap out of its precursors makes criminals add volatiles… and THAT is hurting people. busting a kid at a festival for trying to have a bit of fun and soiling his dreams. thats hurting people.

      i would understand if the govt was sick of dealing with pot related violence, or pot related rape, or pot related health problems, or pot related sick days etc etc…. but these are problems relating to alcohol. not pot.

      im fairly sure (nothing about clinical trials is certain, especially govt funded ones), but im fairly sure the academic opinion is that there is a greater incidence of people with mental health issues self medicating with pot than there are pot induced mental illnesses.

      and if you look at the number of people self medicating with booze… then holy hell.

      im not saying what is right or wrong or even having a strong opinion. i just resent the double standard and the fear campaign, the failure in policy and honesty. i resent us enriching a bunch of gang members whilst users get turfed out by the system.

      but i really respect the efforts of front line personnel in dealing with the resulting issues. id just like a bit of honesty. very complex issue which isnt given the open discussion and honest treatment it deserves.

    • albe says:

      09:15am | 05/11/10

      all great points mate ... and yes even on music festivals lol the BDO has never been the same since the dogs started. Yes u can ‘work around’ them but its changed the vibe at those festivals for the worse imo. Too much aggro these days…

    • Ben says:

      02:23pm | 05/11/10

      Not to mention that now that the pre-cursors have been so heavily policed, Adelaide hasn’t had any ecstacy over the last 12 months that actually has a high level MDMA dose.  Which is sad as MDMA itself is relatively safe and causes no violence like other drugs.

      Now it’s all kinds of dangerous cleaners and other substances that are incredibly unsafe, that are put in as replacements to try alter the user so they think they’re getting something out of them.

      Yet the usage, while slightly decreasing, has remained high, and therefore through the police thinking they know best, have actually caused a lot of harm to those that use it.

      Well done SAPOL.  You’re now feeding the kids dangerous chemicals that no-one has tested and are so dangerous it’s not funny.  The damage and overdoses are on you.

    • brandon says:

      08:32am | 05/11/10

      just thought i might like to mention that it states in most research into the link between marijuana use and mental illness that the hardest thing to determine is whether marijuana causes mental illness in someone, or whether someone predisposed to mental illness is more likely to use marijuana.
      Much like the statement, does alcohol cause violence? or is someone predisposed to violence more likely to drink alcohol?

    • Tun says:

      08:34am | 05/11/10

      Im not a pot smoker, cigarette smoker or do any drugs, and i encourage people to do the same. But as someone who lives in Adelaide i can tell you, that Adelaide is actually fairly famous for its pot. Being also part of the music scene ive talked to MANY bands that have come here from other countries and added adelaide to their touring schedules for the MAJOR reason that they have heard we have the best pot. They are blown away by the quality of it.
      Is it something to be proud of? Maybe.. Maybe not. Do the people of Adelaide really care? No. All this article will do is spark more interest and more joints.

    • Pete says:

      08:35am | 05/11/10

      Tell you what - I won’t tell you what to do or how to live your life, and you can return the favour. I’m not into pot at all, but how about you stop opining about how people should live their lives. Especially when you start throwing out dubious references to ‘mental health’ issues.

    • David Aspinall says:

      08:37am | 05/11/10

      QUOTE - smoked the stuff to varying degrees during their adolescence and emerged relatively sane on the other side. But there is now so much evidence of the links between dope smoking and mental illness
      END QUOTE

      So either you didn’t take notice of your friends very well, or the evidence is incomplete and possibly bias. Amazing that within 2 sentences you manage to completely contradict yourself…which is it?

    • Dee says:

      08:44am | 05/11/10

      Count me as another for the decriminilisation of pot.

    • Bobster says:

      08:44am | 05/11/10

      David, wouldn’t the prevalence of the stuff across the entire country (it’s not just Adelaide - have you been to NSW’s north coast?) suggest the laws are out of step with the population. Wouldn’t that, in a democratic society, suggest the public is in favour of it and, therefore, be left to their own devices on it?
      I also question the links to mental illness. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, I just haven’t been able to find the proof. Does anyone actually have any empirical evidence of that (comparative studies don’t count)? Or is this just like South Australia’s fabled world leading water efficiency? A fact that has become a fact by virtue only of its constant repetition?

    • Luke S says:

      08:48am | 05/11/10

      Zero tolerance is not the answer. It has never worked and just results in a situation in America where a ridiculous proportion of the population is incarcerated over minor offenses.

      Look to the Dutch! They are closing prisons!!

      Now, Alcohol is a drug with the highest rate of harm and abuse to it’s user and it’s completely legal which is more bizarre in comparison to a drug which in you are unable to overdoses from and consuming too much just results in it’s user falling asleep. Alcohol is also a drug with highest impact to society in terms of spousal abuse, murder, car accidents, health (including mental illness OOOOOOO how about that?) and damage to the environment compared to ANY OTHER DRUGS. Heroin and Cocaine included.

      Cheers for your opinion though, just what the world needs is more unneccessary fear mongering from the media and I think you’ve done a great job!

    • Kooks says:

      08:49am | 05/11/10

      I love how everyone on here is saying ‘what about alcohol, cigarettes, etc…’. Even if those things do cause more deaths, problems, etc, it still doesn’t take away from the fact pot causes many problems as well. That’s like killing someone, then basing your defence on the fact someone else killed a 100 people and everyone should worry about them cos what you did isn’t bad by comparison.

    • RGG says:

      09:23am | 05/11/10

      What problems does pot cause then? The answer may surprise you.

      (hint: many of the ‘problems’ marijuana causes are directly related to the fact it’s illegal)

    • The Black Friday Baby says:

      08:51am | 05/11/10

      Try finding other ways of getting rid of the outlaw bikie gangs instead using the poor old dope smokers to do it. But you won’t will you? ‘Cause your too scared of them to take them on, so instead so you pick on the peaceful people instead. Your arguments hold no sway with me because I know smoking dope won’t cause aggression, or addiction. Can’t say the same about alcohol. And let’s not go into the problems that alcohol causes the liver, the brain and general functioning. Sorry. I won’t take the law’s view about cannabis seriously because I saw the damage that alcohol caused, and yes, I was the victim of domestic violence all because the creep drank. I hate alcohol with a passion for the damage it causes. Nor will I ever forget the terror I felt as a child confronting a man who was drunk everyday.

    • The Badger says:

      08:51am | 05/11/10

      Don’t believe everything the academics tell you about drugs, driving or anything else for that matter.
      These people suck their living out of state and federal coffers to offer advice and “research” that supports the views of the politicians and police.

      The referendum Tuesday to legalize marijuana in California was narrowly defeated. California’s initiative, which would have allowed adults age 21 and older to possess and grow small amounts of marijuana, failed 54 to 46 percent.

    • irony says:

      08:52am | 05/11/10

      last time i went to my dealers there were three people there buying that worked for qld health what does that tell you?

    • MarK says:

      02:17pm | 05/11/10

      That there were 4 idiots in the room at the same time with the dealers?

    • Tripper Smurf says:

      02:50pm | 05/11/10

      hahahaha, one of my old dealers was high up in QLD Health at the time.

    • Bobster says:

      10:07pm | 05/11/10

      @MarK What are you basing that on?

    • Glen says:

      08:53am | 05/11/10

      “But there is now so much evidence of the links between dope smoking and mental illness that this laidback approach should really be questioned.”

      For every single report suggesting a link between marijuana use and mental illness (and mind you, these reports suggest you have to have a history of mental illness in order to possibly receive this drug induced psychosis) there is a counter report suggesting the opposite.  It seems though that Australians, specifically, always pull out this argument.  Possibly because we have been bombarded with this propaganda piece in every marijuana related media story *cough cough*. I can tell you that I do not know one person, not one, who has self induced psychosis due to marijuana usage.

      It’s very easy to pull this out as a “matter of fact”, but have you personally looked into both sides of the argument?  I didn’t think so.  This is a propaganda piece, and investigation into who funded this research is a must from both sides of the argument.  Last thing you want to be doing as a “responsible reporter” is reporting biased “facts”, and overlooking counter findings.  This is a slander piece through and through, and completely biased, with zero responsibility or investigation.  The war on drugs doesn’t work, I would of thought after 30 years of leading examples from America you could have pieced that together by now.

    • Pot Head Baker says:

      08:54am | 05/11/10

      i have known for the past 10 years over 40 people who smoke pot. who got mental illness? my uncle who drinks alcohol and doesn’t smoke. and i dont know about most people who smoke pot but i do it until im high if stronger weed gets me stonded off 3-4 bongs instead of 5-10 thats less than half the smoke and much better for me. the evidence of mental illness is there but is weak at its best the main issues with pot are dependence and cost (not in SA) its a shame that right next door in melbourne i have to pay astronomical prices for something that i could just grow for free. P.S. ive smoked for over 15 years never been unimployed or had a mental health issue and my house doesnt smell like bong water i smoke outside

    • Gene says:

      08:58am | 05/11/10

      The photo captioned ‘monster heads’ actually features no ‘heads’ that are even worth mentioning and from that point the inaccuracies really start spiralling out of control.

    • Dave says:

      08:59am | 05/11/10

      There is no drug problem in Adelaide - everyone got some!

      I think the real issue that we have found with pot is the level of consumption.

      There is a huge difference between an occasional splif and those who are having competitions between bong smoke and oxygen for their lungs… I think the real measure of how much dope being done is not the number of hydroponic shops, but the number of takeaway pizza places!

    • Tommo says:

      09:01am | 05/11/10

      I think the people attracted to Smoking Pot, are people with nothign better to do, these kind of people are more supseptiable to mental illness to begin with. As someone stated above its Boredom and Unemployment, and a lack of self starters who get into a downward sprial that use drugs like pot, and in later life because of who they are get these mental illnesses…  Other people enjoy pot for a buzz… which is fine. Just make sure your head is straight before you use drugs.

    • Bobster says:

      12:20pm | 05/11/10

      I bet I make more money than you.

    • David Davidson says:

      09:02am | 05/11/10

      Here’s a cold hard fact: Pot’s always going to exist and the money will either go to criminal gangs or the government via tax. Pick your favourite.

    • Nick says:

      10:41am | 05/11/10

      Or to the friendly old bloke who lives around the corner from me.

    • IMHO says:

      09:04am | 05/11/10

      Good Lord Penbo. You think atheists should keep quiet about their views lest they offend the fragile Believers! Now you want more criminalisation of drugs, even though that’s never worked. Anywhere. Ever. You must think we’re all pretty fragile us Humans; you want to protect us from rigorous examination of our beliefs and the consequences of our actions.

      Needless to say, I don’t agree with you…but I guess you’re succeeding in getting me to comment on The Punch!

    • David Mudkips says:

      09:07am | 05/11/10

      Give one room of 100 people alcohol, another room of 100 people marijuana. See how differently they’ll act. Also, all cannabis health issues are temporary. Look it up from an unbiased source. Can’t say the same for liver sclerosis I’m afraid.

    • James Puff says:

      09:07am | 05/11/10

      I work full-time for a large well known australian organisation and I am a regular dope smoker, and yes I do live in Adelaide. So, what? When I smoke my weed it’s always inside my house and on my property, I work and pay my taxes, i pay my bills, I am not in debt, I don’t drink alcohol, I don’t smoke cigarettes, I’ve never been in trouble with the law, and yet I am supposed to feel bad because I get stoned every weekend? And you used to work for The Advertiser… why am I not surprised?

    • Mike T says:

      11:20am | 05/11/10

      No you should feel bad becaue your breaking the law. You should feel bad, becasue your more then likely you puchased the drug from a person that uses the money to support an uncontrrolled drug adiction. you should feel bad becasue the drug you purchased, more then likely, came from a local bikkie gang who uses the profits to bribe, assault and murder people who impede thier profit making abilities. Paying taxes is great, so is owning your house, but not sure how it gives you a free pass

    • James Puff says:

      11:55am | 05/11/10

      @ Mike T

      Actually Mike, my parents grow weed for our personal use, not evil bikies or unemployed drug addicts with no prospects or future. It’s funny isn’t it how hard it is for people like YOU to comprehend that normal, everyday people who work and live normal lives can also be dope smokers. You will find that these days it’s the everyday people who are growers for their own personal use - while the bikies are now concentrating on drugs like Ice which are far more harmful to society than a bit of weed.

    • Mike T says:

      12:34pm | 05/11/10

      Not hard for me to comprehend that normal people smoke pot. I know many normal people that also take Heroin, a few GP’s beleive it or not, does the fact they they are normal excuse them from breaking the law???. Also interested to know if you know the level of time that pot effects you for??? if so im assuming that none of your family drive a vehicile or perfrom at work with it in your system whilst effected.

      I am happy for you to make arguments around wether pot should be legal or not. But whilst it is illegal, i just cant cop your justification that its ok becasue you pay taxes/own a house/grow it yourself/are normal. These reasons dont really cut the mustard James as justification to break the law

    • mike says:

      01:14pm | 05/11/10

      And Mike T just highlights the reason why it should be regulated like alcohol and tobacco.

      Thanks mate.

    • Sam says:

      02:21pm | 05/11/10

      If you want to argue from a moralistic POV based on supporting criminals, decriminalisation is the best way forward as it removes their income.

      If a law only affects the perputrator, then the person should question the reasonableness of the law.

    • Mike T says:

      02:42pm | 05/11/10

      @ Mike…

      Which statement of mine highlights justification for regulation??? Did you actually read any of my post that was clearly about the illegalities of Pot??? if you are using the fact that i stated that normal people smoke as justification that Pot is harmless, well, you are going to have to do better then that. Show me some evidence rather then cite my post which has nothing to do with if it should be regulated of not.

      I think the problem with this disscussion is that it has pulled to many pot smokers out of the wood work…. If you need to start your post with “i smoke everyday and im fine” then chances are you are not fine!!

    • RenG says:

      12:02am | 06/11/10

      @ Mike T
      I don’t smoke pot and never have. I’m not against it, I’m not for it. I don’t care, but from what I can see here these ‘law breakers’ can at least spell correctly! As far as I am concerned, concentrating at school is far more important an issue Australians need to face than some harmless plant! So why don’t you go and have a cigarette, because it seems to me like you have the high stress levels of a person addicted to smokes!

    • Mike t says:

      03:02pm | 07/11/10

      @ Ren G

      Thanks for highlighting my spelling. That really put me in my place!!

      Also your point that money could be spent better in schools is ground breaking.

      And to point out pot is a harmless plant, thank you again. I must admit, before your ground breaking comment i was inclined to beleive all that medical mumbo-jumbo around it’s links to depressions and psychosis. How silly of me.

      Please feel free to make further points on my spelling as i beleive that it is way more important then disscussing issues on these sort of sites. I would also love some feed back on my font size if thats possible

    • RenG says:

      04:11pm | 07/11/10

      Haha, funny….you didn’t mention whether you smoke or not! So that must mean you smoke, which just proves you’re as bad as all the people who smoke marijuana! Also, if you drink alcohol you’re as bad as them too as booze is a drug! Oh and your font size is the same as everyone else has! Are you hiding something??

    • Jake says:

      10:57pm | 07/11/10

      @Mike t: It’s spelt “than” not “then”. wink

    • michael says:

      09:08am | 05/11/10

      newspapers and poliies
      what chance do we have??

    • MT says:

      09:08am | 05/11/10

      LOL. quoting Michael Atkinson? Sorry Dave, you lost all credibility after that…

    • mike tabloy says:

      09:12am | 05/11/10

      Jaz: of course they are ...  At a guess upto 50% of the population smoke pot or smoke it irregularly.  Tradeys, IT people, Lawyers, Police ( see recent article about police testing postive for drugs more than motorists), Firemen, you name the job, someone probably smokes it.

      Articles like these are relics of forced moralist thinking, not new generational knowledge..  I wonder what the wowsers and moralist controllers of our society are going to do when the United states has to back track on years of propaganda and legalises, Prop 19 in the states (legalisation, taxation and distribution) only lost by 3% ... 3%! ...  and they have two more votes comming up on it in the next 2 years. Considering half our drug laws are drafted from DEA recommendations, i’d say thats a pretty big focus on the hyprocracy.

      Also take note, the anti-pot people, are always the ones generalising, fear mongering, never backing up anything with facts and always at the ready to belittle anyone who does the opposite with slander…

      Cannabis is unregulated,  drugs that are unregulated are DANGEROUS, RE-Legalise it (as it was), tax it, sell it to 18+ only…  Much easier to keep it out of the hands of children, plus instead of the money going to blackmarket pockets, it can be funneled back into the health system.

      But i guess logic is to hard for the supposedly highly educated non-smokers keen on stopping anything they dont “like”

    • John McBeath says:

      09:14am | 05/11/10

      “Dope has loomed larger in SA than anywhere else in Australia . . ”  Really?  Have you been to Nimbin or Byron Bay lately?

    • NicoleG says:

      10:08am | 05/11/10

      Ahhh Nimbin. My husband was away working there a few months ago and there were kids getting off the school buss trying to sell him a 1/4, people in the pub trying to sell it to him there too. It’s an odd little place.

    • Bonky says:

      09:16am | 05/11/10

      How he gets from the aroma of the plants to sickly bong water,just shows what a slanted article this is.Who does this guy work for the alcohol lobby?We dont want people smoking weed when they could be joining the “pissed” society like most Australians.On another note how many deaths do we have to see from prescription drugs before theres some sort of inquiry.Oh wait a minute drug companies make millions from those drugs,bugger back to knocking the pot smokers.Anyone hear of death by Pot? i dont think it happens unlike alcohol and other drugs legal and illegal

    • trance says:

      09:22am | 05/11/10

      should just be legal everywhere, it’s no more harmful than alcohol despite what people say, when was the last time you heard anything about “pot related violence” or other malicious crimes that we hear about alcohol and other drugs almost daily?

    • Peter says:

      09:25am | 05/11/10

      No doubt I’m not the only one to reply here about being able to functional perfectly well as a tertiary educated professional and nightly smoker. As with anything you don’t abuse it and it’s fine. I like drinking coffee, but I don’t have 32 cups per day, neither should imbibe the same indulgent proportions of pot.

      After a few drinks it works great - lessens the desire for any more alcohol, settles you down and makes Australian Top Gear tolerable to watch.

    • Troy says:

      09:27am | 05/11/10

      so glad peeps r speakin up about this story. it is so wrong. lets pick on the (employed) dope smokers and let the (unemployed) junkies smoke ice and wak speed. first line in big letters “dope looms larger here than anywhere else” . go to holland to tell your story, go out in the field and see what ice is dooing. alcohol deaths is 20000 a yr. marijuana use is 0. and to adelaide smell is weed, then later in the story u said the “only “time u smelled it. dude u so out of touch. advertiser should geta story writer who knows whats goin on as thhis fella has no idea. we all laughed at work. also i like how he tryed to put the word bikies in there. i have never bought off a bikie. the whole story was bullshit except the bits tellin his story 50 yrs ago when he was younger . weed will be legal in australia in the next few yrs as its the only way to spped and ice. thats right its australia, we encourage ice and speed and herion, then give them methodone, herion rooms to wak it. there is nothing for weed smokers if they want to quit but there is everything for the junkies.

    • Mayday says:

      10:14am | 05/11/10

      Nicotine patches and methods suitable for tobacco addiction will suffice, its not possible to become physically addicted to cannabis but if you mix it with tobacco it will cause withdrawal problems as with ciggies.

    • Kagetsu says:

      09:27am | 05/11/10

      Ban all of it. Alcohol, cigarettes etc.

    • psychosis says:

      09:29am | 05/11/10

      everytime i wonder if my wayward youth has left me mentally ill i go for a sunday drive and remind myself that im not one of the millions currently sharing a group psychosis that im communicating with an invisible man in the sky who is watching my every move.

    • Reg says:

      02:41pm | 06/11/10

      Hahahahaha but suppose some of those are on the happy stuff as well. I’ve always wondered how some survive the sermon and how the Yanks get all those shakers gyrating. Must be something in the water.

    • Harquebus says:

      09:29am | 05/11/10

      Penbo wants to make criminals out of your sons and daughters because they smoke pot. Prohibition creates the black market and home invasions.

    • Macca says:

      09:34am | 05/11/10

      The failure of Adelaide to build a vibrant economy is why kids sit on the couch and smoke weed. The opportunities are limited, and Adelaide is a backwater, clowns like Mick Atkinson are big fish in a small pond acting high and mighty despite having achieved nothing for SA. Most of my friends including myself were raised and educated in Adelaide but to get opportunities have moved interstate or overseas and will not be returning.

    • tajjy says:

      09:37am | 05/11/10

      I would say Adelaide has the scent of Freedom.

      End Cannabis Prohibition.

    • John says:

      09:38am | 05/11/10

      CANNABINOIDS KILL CANCER!
      In 1974 the Medical College of Virginia was funded to find evidence that Marijiuana damages the immune system, but found instead that THC slowed the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice - lung and breast cancer, and a virus induced Leukemia.

    • steve says:

      09:44am | 05/11/10

      Penbo,
      Good grief, maaaaate. When did you get a blue rinse?

    • RenG says:

      09:47am | 05/11/10

      I was born in Adelaide and my family all live there too. I can tell you that EVERY SINGLE PERSON in my family (and other people that I know from Adelaide) all work in full time jobs, are respectable and wonderful people. I have met more losers here in Brisbane than I ever did in Adelaide so all you people bagging out South Australians can stick that in your pipe and smoke it!  Im sick of people speaking poorly of SA! oh and none of them are addicted to pot either!

    • rink says:

      09:48am | 05/11/10

      As someone who works 12 hour days in construction design, ie. I build your building, roads and bridges. I find it silly when Friday night rocks around and i boot up my X-Box and have a smoke I have to worry about the police knocking down my door, when myself and the police know they have better things to do.
      I can’t believe people still think that prohibition of pot will someday ‘work’.
      Weak article by another booze addled journo
      Any publicity is good publicity eh?

    • Mr Pod says:

      02:28pm | 05/11/10

      Ah.. so you’e the one who designed the Commonwealth Games car park footbridge?

    • Randy Marsh says:

      09:49am | 05/11/10

      cannabis has been around since the caveman era and hemp was used as the first material for clothing and hemp can also be used as a replacement for timber for paper usage and hemp oil can be used to fuel our cars (the timber industry and the oil industry what control our governments want cannabis banned for a reason)  also i have never seen evidence of the link between cannabis usage and mental illness and throughout the entire human history not ONE person has dies or overdosed on cannabis

    • mitchell says:

      09:49am | 05/11/10

      terrible article. prolonged excessive use of marijuana can and will most likely cause damage to the brain, but so will alcohol so whats your point?

    • Bob says:

      09:50am | 05/11/10

      There is a negative side to most drugs (including alcohol), and this article focuses on many of those associated with marijuana. However, no attempt was made to give a balanced viewpoint.

      The allegations that the drug trade is now exploiting these laws is probably true, but why? Could it be that having one state with relaxed laws, whilst the rest of the nation doesn’t, provides criminals with opportunity to make money?  Would the same situation exist if the entire nation had similarly relaxed laws? I suspect the illegal activity of so called ‘bikie gangs’ would reduce.

      Every drug has it’s downsides and some can lead to mental illness, but to draw conclusions from anecdotal evidence is flawed. How many of these drug-addled people with mental illness were already pre-disposed to mental issues? How many alcoholics already had underlying health issues which led to, or were exacerbated by, alcohol?

      Ignoring those who already had a predisposition to mental health issues, marijuana probably has little effect on overall mental health. As mentioned in the article, many people have consumed marijuana in their youth without detriment and gone on to lead normal productive lives.

    • Bob says:

      09:50am | 05/11/10

      Think about it, you legalise it that opens up a whole new industry of work for people.  Cultivating it, distributing it and selling it retail.  Not to mention how much money it would put into the failing economy.  I know id be quitting my job to become a full time grower! wink

    • Susan says:

      09:51am | 05/11/10

      I think the funniest issue here is the caption “monster heads”.  I presume whomever wrote that has no idea what a ‘monster head of marijuana’ actually looks like.

    • jimmy says:

      09:52am | 05/11/10

      the story about the kid is sad?? i have a mate that is the same. he has never touched pot though, he is still a lazy dole bludger who lives with his parents and hasnt had a job in near 5 years. its because he is lazy, not because he is stoned. if they dont want a job, seems the gov will pay for them to sit around anyway. if you want to get people motivated why not do a shake up of the dole system, they need to see if they dont work they dont get paid, they dont sit at home. why punish people who do there 8+hours a day and prefer a rollie instead of a beer to relax afterwards

    • Cheech says:

      09:56am | 05/11/10

      This is a bit off the topic but I think the workplace medicals are a bit tough on cannabis use. The current urine tests can detect traces of cannibis in your system up to 12 weeks after use and long after the effects have worn off. The same test detects amphetamine and opiate use but only if it has been used in the last 2-3 days. So if I have a few joints tonight I cant go back to work until February but I can shoot heroin through my veins and be sweet for Monday. The tests should only show if you are under the direct influence of the drug.

    • Jesse Jones says:

      09:58am | 05/11/10

      I smoke weed on a reasonably regular basis (2-3 times a month). I’m doing my degree part time, working a full time job, and a part time job. I don’t have a lot of time lately to relax and do what I want, but after a really hard day or a long week, I want a way to relax that will not give me a hang over the next day. I do not have any mental illness and I’m more or less a normal 22yr old. No law will stop me smoking pot if I want to. And no, the gateway theory is NOT true, i have no interest in touching anything else. I accept that maybe some people have a mental weakness that can be exasperated by cannabis, but many people also have weaknesses to alcohol, and it is exactly the same.. if it is going to mess with your mind/body, don’t touch it. Find something else. My 2 cents

    • Berni says:

      09:58am | 05/11/10

      Yes my drunken mother and step father beat me often when they were drunk, they also failed to protect me from their drunken friends. On weekends I went to dad’s house where he and my step mother were pot smokers, they would have their friends over sometimes too but no body ever hurt me there, no body did anything inappropriate to me there. The drinkers would steal (even taught me how to steal food from supermarkets for dinner), never skipped a meal at dad’s house and he would have nearly died if he knew about the shoplifting. Actually the only real problem I had at dad’s place was getting up in the morning and finding the packaging from the chocolate and crackerjack popcorn they ate while I was asleep- my problem was they didn’t share it.
      I would like to see the percentage of pot smokers who result in any life affecting mental illness and then be able to compare it to the number of people who end up with life affecting conditions due to, say,  medical stuff up’s or even just alcohol again as a percentage (but the alcohol stats would not be surprising i expect). Also from what I have read on the subject the people who develop mental illness have predisposing factors and THC is the trigger in their case BUT those predisposing factors may be triggered at any time by other contributing factors as well, meaning they are possibly going to suffer mental illness at some stage of their lives regardless of marijuana use .
      I have been around pot smokers and drinkers all my life and you are way more likely to see episodes of psychotic behavior in a drinker any day.

    • Mayday says:

      10:03am | 05/11/10

      David Aspinall @: 08:37am ET AL please read the following recent study backed by the British medical journal The Lancet. 

      http://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/opus1714/Estimating_drug_harms.pdf

      “The other paradox is that schizophrenia seems to be disappearing (from the general population) even though cannabis use has increased markedly in the last 30 years. When we were reviewing the general practice research database in the UK from the University of Keele, research consistently and clearly showed that psychosis and schizophrenia are still on the decline. So, even though skunk has been around now for ten years, there has been no upswing in schizophrenia. In fact, where people have looked, they haven’t found any evidence linking cannabis use in a population and schizophrenia.”

      The amount of political interference, bias and ignorance on the subject is breathtaking and I’m pretty sure the Hotel Association of Australia would be donating as we speak!

    • Chris says:

      10:04am | 05/11/10

      Regardless of what the media and government agenda is, the people of Australia should have the right to make their own choice. The option for Safe Access for users both medicinal and recreational should be explored. Restrict use to 21 yrs and over, have registered growers, provide users with an annual mental health check and survey, do not have dispensaries for criminal organizations to exploit, have harsh and severe penalties for crimes such as supplying to a minor, trafficking, DUI, transporting and distribution. Legislation should be centered around the individual having the right to grow and consume for personal use.  Double standards and hypocrisy from drug enforcement is antiquated and requires amendment. Yes, I am a user for over 15yrs. I have never been unemployed. Smoked and worked since the age of thirteen. Never been fired. I have never caused harm to myself or others because of my use. My biggest concern is being made to feel like a criminal in my own home.

    • loxy says:

      10:06am | 05/11/10

      As someone who grew up in Canberra it fascinates me that you made no mention of the only other place in Australia that cannibas is decriminalised. Was it perhaps because Canberra doesn’t support your theory that pot smoking produces high unemployment and mental illness? The reality is abuse of pot is no different to abuse of alcohol or cigarettes - all will lead to significant health problems and burden our health system. However, like alcohol, if pot is smoked in moderation the adverse impacts are slim to none. Pot should be decriminalised everywhere and put in the same category as alcohol and tobacco - this will take the burden off police for something that really is only minor and mostly harmless. The focus should be on education rather than incarceration.

    • John says:

      10:11am | 05/11/10

      I had 2 brothers who smoked dope a lot.. both ended up in jail then both committed suicide.

      The dope seemed to make them both mental cases. Before that they had been sports stars

    • Chilliman says:

      10:11am | 05/11/10

      Turns out we don’t really know as much about chemistry as we thought we did. Why do some drugs effect certain people one way and others another? We will probably never know. What we should do is be cautious in our approach to them. It is clear that much of the research is divided on the issue of pot, maybe one day it will be better understood and made legal. However at the moment we don’t have a great understanding of it and should approach with caution.
      Also as a functioning alcoholic I will say this: everyone keeps saying how alcohol is far worse than pot. However if you legalise everything we’ll see which causes the most problems.

    • Eric says:

      10:13am | 05/11/10

      I find the author’s quote of “My guess is you’d see more of those families in Adelaide than in the rest of the country because of our weird, failed experiment. ” quite offensive. Unless you have any evidence of this David, you shouldn’t be guessing or be making generalisations about the residents in Adelaide!

    • Grant says:

      10:14am | 05/11/10

      This is a bit of an ill defined rant like someone just venting off about something that annoys them. I’m sure that the failure of Proposition 19 yesterday in California was coincidental…:)

      The fact is that in most places in the world, the law enforcement authorities are losing interest in enforcing the growing of a plant, a law impossible to enforce. Even if more stringent penalties were in place, it is so very easy to grow.

      While there is some truth in the strength of the marijuana being greater, the consensus is that the increase is not that great. The other factor to consider is that people who smoke it every day develop tolerance to it anyway which is why some people can smoke and appear quite sober (they are). 

      Marijuana is part of society and is here to stay long term. Authorities can be liberal or tough, it will make no difference. I’d personally like to see it legalised as it just makes sense.  I mean someone not familiar with our society would find it ludicrous to see people being made criminals over a plant growing in their backyard. It sounds ridiculous and it is. If it were legal possibly people would have easy ways to enjoy it without smoking which is the chief hazard of Marijuana use.

    • One less reader says:

      10:16am | 05/11/10

      Wow penbo, i usually love your work but this piece is so wrong and out of touch it’s really put me off. One less reader. One more supporter for legalization.

    • HonkyTonks says:

      10:20am | 05/11/10

      The people that benefit the most from drugs being illegal are the people making the money from them - people in gangs, criminals who are usually violent. Remove the criminal element and treat drugs as a health issue, and society would probably be a better place.

    • Mat F says:

      10:22am | 05/11/10

      Congratulations to the author on demonstrating fine investigative journalism techniques and not resorting to petty, opinion based trash…..

    • Cheech says:

      10:26am | 05/11/10

      Some day pray that he will grow a farm barn full; recent research shows it’s not so darn harmful!

    • Brisbanite says:

      10:34am | 05/11/10

      Hey Penbo, I bet you have tried it at some point in your life. Where did you think it came from. It did not just fall out of the sky. Its just a plant after all.

    • Economist says:

      10:34am | 05/11/10

      You PRO-potheads are laughable. If you want the stuff legalised then it’s simple, apply to the Therapeutic Goods Association and demonstrate its medicinal value with proven scientific evidence (good luck with that), but that’s all too much work, you’re all probably too high.  Also pharmaceutical equivalents exist, but admit it you all want to sit around and actually smoke it rather than use the THC for medicinal purposes.

      To the I’ve smoked it all my life crowd and it’s done me no harm, yeah well some cigarette smokers can use the same arguments.  It’s pot luck. The fact is dope is a gateway drug. The fact is if your get in a vehicle and drive, you are under the influence (for all those arguing they function the same with it in their system - you’re joking).

      Sandra your study on smart people use drugs and “push the boundaries man” is hilarious. I’m curious do they stay smart? or do the drugs ruin their lives. From my personal experience with top University students, drugs do ruin their lives.

      The fact is, as Pembo points out, buds have gotten stronger, it’s not like to good old days of smoking peace pipes.

      Legalisations and decriminalisation may or may not reduce the crime associated with it (there is still illegal trading in alcohol and cigarettes, despite their legality), but you can’t compare us with Holland or other countries that allow the drug. I’m sorry, but in my opinion culturally Australians are not mature enough to handle it. You’ve only got to go to Holland to see how all the Americans, Brits and Aussies tourists carry on.

    • pat says:

      11:13am | 05/11/10

      So it’s Australians then, that’s your argument?  We just can’t handle it, it may be fine elsewhere to legalise dope without ill effect, but if it happened here we’d all just go crazy….

    • The Badger says:

      11:19am | 05/11/10

      “You PRO-potheads are laughable. If you want the stuff legalised then it’s simple, apply to the Therapeutic Goods Association and demonstrate its medicinal value with proven scientific evidence”

      A most excellent idea mist.
      Why don’t we do that for alcohol and cigarettes which are a few other drugs more socially acceptable and see if they get up?

      Your conclusion that dope is a gateway drug is hilarious. As is personal (from experience) observations on the strength of buds increasing. Perhaps you should toke a little less so you have a reference point that isn’t 9 miles high.

      I look forward to the day that you explain what it will take for you to “feel” that we Australians are mature enough to “handle it”.

    • loxy says:

      01:12pm | 05/11/10

      Economist I’m curious, what crime exactly is associated with cannibas because you never read about a pot smoker holding up a bank or robbing a shop or house to feed their habbit. The majority, if not all, are normal, every day people who have jobs, mortgages etc.

    • AdamC says:

      01:34pm | 05/11/10

      Economist, a very sensible comment ruined by a silly closing sentiment. Aussies go nuts in Holland because of the novelty of being able to legally smoke pot. Were pot legal in Australia, the novelty would end, along with both the tourist hijinks in Amsto and the illusion of Dutch maturity.

      I am not surprised that the decriminalisation of possession of pot has gone badly. It is a policy nonsense. Like many other of the left’s bright ideas, it actually creates the worst of both worlds. A combination of normalising consumption while still criminalising sale, distribution and production necessarily results in both higher usage and greater returns to criminal gangs who traffick in the stuff.

      Which of those is a good thing?

      PS, pot may be no worse than booze and tobacco, but it isn’t any better. If alcohol was invented more recently, it would probably be illegal too.

    • Economist says:

      03:15pm | 05/11/10

      Loxy, ever gotten in your car stoned, or worked on a building site stoned? That’s a crime. Are you more likely to have an accident of any kind stoned. I’d say yes.

      Adam C while the last line was a throw away comment, the point I’m making, to the likes of Badger and pat,  is Australians are large consumers of alcohol (though this is decreasing), yet other countries that have it legally available dont seem to have the same issues.  Compare us say with Japan who actually sell alcohol from street vending machines. If we did this in Australia there would be plenty of teens drunk at school. It’s about cultural restraint. I’d argue, and others clearly disagree, that many Australians would excessively consume.

      Ask yourself, if you had a smoke at lunchtime do you think if you went back to your workplace you’d be as productive?

    • The Badger says:

      03:33pm | 05/11/10

      Really mist
      the way you carry on.
      - ever gotten in your car after a few drinks, or worked on a building site after a few drinks? That’s a crime. Are you more likely to have an accident after a few drinks. I’d say yes.

      Ask yourself, if you had a drink at lunchtime (like executives) do you think if you went back to your workplace you’d be as productive?
      Do you think you would be capable of making decisions that could affect the livelihood of your employees.

      Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance.
      Confucius

    • David says:

      05:36pm | 05/11/10

      @ Economist

      @ Economist

      This paper,
      http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10080
      found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.

      “Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success,” says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. “It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does.”

      The reason Marijuana can be viewed as a gateway drug is because it’s sold by criminals who sell other drugs… make it legal and you put an end to that.

      The synthesised THC ( the fact that they bothered is proof of it’s value) you speak of Dronabinol (Marinol®) is not effective, expensive, hard to attain and has dangerous side effects.
      http://www.csdp.org/news/news/medmar_marinolCBS_080409.htm
      It also does not contain many of the cannabinoids active in the plant which can be grown easily for free.
      Check out
      http://www.documentarywire.com/the-business-behind-getting-high/
      @ 1h23min for a rational discussion of this topic.

      As for smart people staying smart… I’m pretty sure the Carl Sagan was on top his game… and after 12 years of smoking I feel a sharp as ever.
      As for you, your shoddy anecdotal opinions and stance on this matter do not speak very highly of your intelligence. Try some critical thought and backing up your opinions with facts and references next time. I’d love to attack your insulting a misguided opinion that Australians are not mature enough to handle legalisation… but I’m as out of time as you are out of touch.

      Catch up!

    • Economist says:

      11:45pm | 05/11/10

      Badger and David I’m far from a prude or ignorant. David Did you mean I lack intelligence or critical thought? You do know the two are different. You do know that opinion is generally anecdotal and you and your pro pot crowd have mainly cited personal experience as evidence? I’m just happy to point out issues that you’ve not considered.

      Sure evidence for cannibas being a gateway drug is mixed with studies showing either side (Yes David I can use Google to, doesn’t mean your intelligent mate)  This doubt is only going to encourage a government to be cautious.

      Perhaps I could bring your attention to NDARC http://ndarc.med.unsw.edu.au/ who do a lot of work in this area, they’ve highlighted that long-term users of cannibas, we are talking 20+ years here, are more likely to be hospitalised and show signs of addiction and dependency. So are all you cannibas users recreational, or like a smoker are you an addict? Is addiction itself harmful? So David you’ve been smoking it for 12 year, see me in another 20 and tell me if you’ve got any problems. And as I’ve stated personal experience is simply anecdotal.

      Badger as for the alcohol comparisons, we’ll there’s a legal limit that can be tested, but quite frankly if you turned up in my office half pissed or baked I’d certainly take note. If you’re pissed on a buiilding site you betcha you’d be in serious trouble. So what’s your argument? Are you saying one toke isn’t going to affect performance? Maybe not, but its a risk. I can’t quite recall the details but I’m sure there was a case recently where a young man killed a workmate (I believe he crushed him to death) after a few tokes. Do you think he regrets it? The argument cannibas doesn’t kill and harm anyone is absurd, and I’m the ignorant one? The reason you smoke it is because it does impair you that’s what you value. Oh but I forgot it’s a natural plant used for thousands of years. So are a lot of other substances natural but I wouldn’t outright smoke them.

      But Seriously David and co. I really couldn’t give a sh*t what you do with your lives and your choices. Nor could the Police because quite frankly they’ve got better things to do then chase rank amateur growers and smokers down (Sorry David they’re not treating you like criminals at all, just effectively restricting where you can do it).

    • The Badger says:

      12:54pm | 06/11/10

      Mist,
      You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
      However,
      Getting all your information about cannabis from government funded organisations whose funding and existence depends on reaching conclusions which provide support for existing legislation is not providing you with a balanced view.
      It’s like getting all your information about global warming from Andrew Bolt.

      Regarding these government funded agencies,
      As Upton Sinclair said
      “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.”

    • Wow the grass is really green dude says:

      10:37am | 05/11/10

      I am retired and at our local bowling club drugs are rampant, you can get anything you want and at a good price.  We are all at the end of the bookshelf so any long term side effects mean little, and it makes old age pretty neat.

    • Grumpy says:

      12:40pm | 05/11/10

      umm…id like to become a member of this club…where do i sign up? heh heh heh.. :D

    • Truckle the Uncivil says:

      10:43am | 05/11/10

      I’m fed up with the furphy about stronger hydroponic dope.  I’ve seen them and while it may be 8-10 times stronger they use much less than they used to.

      If there is a growing problem with mental illness it is likely because of the particular single strain that is being asexually reproduced by hydroponics.

      Genetic diversity is usually a good thing.  Genetic diversity has been eliminated by hydroponics.  At first cut I would say that that is more likely to be the problem.

    • DJ says:

      10:46am | 05/11/10

      Even if everyone in Adelaide smoked dope on a daily basis it would be nowhere near as damaging to society as ice is currently. Or alcohol or cigarettes for that matter.

    • George says:

      10:50am | 05/11/10

      Amazing that we in Australia can claim that we have the murder capitol, the drugs capitol, and the gangs capitol of the world. “One website says there are more <canabis> shops here per capita than any other city in the world, including Vancouver”. Right, Vancouver people, the wellknown city of Canabis ?? Come on. You could have said “more shops than Liverpool, Barcelona or Prague” and everyone would have believed you too. Let’s be honest, there is very little in Adelaide (or the rest of Australia) that would put us on a World biggest or largest list, except for Outback, and artificial lobsters, oranges and banana’s.  And if you make a statement, than don’t do it like FoxTV does (“Someone even claimed that”, “some people say…”), just give us facts and references. Otherwise don’t add it in your blog.

    • Herb Holden says:

      10:52am | 05/11/10

      Does anyone remember zombie grass,used to blow your brain sideways until it wore off,rumoured to be soaked in horse tranquilizer,not a good look really. .Similarly hydroponic dope is riddled with side effect chemicals,more likely the source of more angst than just your average T.H.C. dope. so just grow it organically and if it makes you paranoid just don,t smoke it.

    • Mike says:

      10:58am | 05/11/10

      Very disappointing and intellectually lazy article from a journo I greatly respect. Quoting Mick “let’s censor the internet and stop adults playing R18+ video games” Atkinson as an authority on the biological development of weed kills your argument stone dead, Penbo. A quick question - if today’s pot is eight times stronger than the harmless stuff from the ‘60s, did it really take hippies eight joints to get stoned?
      Or is it more likely that one mutant strain with ridiculous THC levels was seized once in the Netherlands and gave anti-pot crusaders the excuse to claim that all modern marijuana was so powerful it turned otherwise mild-mannered teens into insane sex-crazed dancing lunatics (TM Reefer Madness, 1938).

    • the Truth says:

      10:39pm | 09/11/10

      Stronger product means that you only need a little bit so the negative health effects of having to smoke “more” are reduced.

    • RL says:

      11:01am | 05/11/10

      Can see a couple of comments in here I agree with and some disagree with.

      The 10 plant rule was way to many plants, off 10 plants some people could grow a couple of kilos of dope.

      That for a lone smoker would take months upon months to smoke, so you can guess pretty safely that the person with 10 plants would have been selling some dope.

      But I have personally known dozens of people who have grown 1 or 2 plants, all for personal use, and the main reason they risked getting in trouble to grow it was that they want NOTHING TO DO with dealers and that sort of thing.

      So they risk being branded as a dealer just for growing a couple of plants (seeing as cops accuse basically every pot smoker of being a dealer), when really THEY DONT WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH CRIMS so they are growing to stay out of the cycle of having to score off bikies and scummers.

      If people were allowed to have a couple of their own plants then they wouldnt have to buy dope, they would have their own, which would cut down on the $$$ dealers and bikies and suppliers in general make.

    • Anna says:

      11:18am | 05/11/10

      I feel sorry for anyone who advocates using drugs (other than as prescribed). And there are too many people saying ‘it’s not as bad as alcohol and I don’t do alcohol’ as though one should replace the other.

      It frightens me that in this era where there is so much readily available research (as well as anecdotal evidence) to prove that all drugs (even those which are legal) can and do cause horrific injury to many parts of our bodies, people still take them.

      Have we really become a society that relies on drugs (including alcohol) to have a ‘good time’? Are we truly saying that we must stuff our bloodstreams with poisons in order to get through life? I think that paints a really sad picture of society today. Reading the comments on here arguing for the right to use drugs I am shocked; so many of you truly believe those actions do not affect society, that you are not affected by the drugs you take. Of course you are, why else would you take them? My own humble opinion is that no-one in their right mind would argue for the right to take anything that enables them to lose control of their body and mind, and be amongst general society, their workplace, and operating machinery and driving vehicles.

      Alcohol is bad, cigarettes are bad, cannabis is bad, heroin is bad, LSD is bad, methamphetamine is bad; prescription drugs are bad (which is why they are prescribed in controlled doses). All you need to do is look at long term users of dope to see the change in them. They, and I know a few, can’t stop thinking about and talking about their drug - it becomes like a God to them. It controls them; so they’re not controlling themselves.

    • Mr Mackey says:

      11:32am | 05/11/10

      Mmmm-kay….

    • psychosis says:

      12:30pm | 05/11/10

      anna, i think you need to separate your assertions between users and abusers.

      abuse of anything can cause harm. ethanol for example, the active ingredient in alcoholic drinks, is orders of magnitude more toxic than THC. An adult would have to smoke more 680kg of cannabis in 14 minutes to receive a toxic dose, in contrast death is possible with any one bottle of street legal spirits.  and strangely, its almost trophy worthy to claim that you drank so much in one sitting that you kissed the toilet. literally drinking yourself into a toxicity induced metabolic purge is considered acceptable social behaviour.

      you also need to differentiate between set and setting, that is the existing predilections of a user of a drug (are they happy, sad, excited, worried… are they physically large, in good health, slight, etc) and the environment in which the activity takes place (in a poorly ventilated night club for example, or sitting under a gum tree with friends).

      it helps to understand the broad characterisations of different drugs and their physical interactions with the human body - there are uppers (such as caffeine) depressives (such as alcohol), opiates (such as surgical morphine) and entheogens (such as mushrooms).

      Their interaction can be based on dosage, metabolic half lives, interactions with other drugs and a broad series of other factors.

      Impurities, introduced into the drug by dodgy manufacture or the desire to increase margins by producers, often play a strong role in the danger of drug use.  This is a direct result of their scarcity due to their criminalisation.  MDMA has been stated as responsible for overheating and self drowning to ameliorate the heat of the body in an already hot environment. In contrast, impure MDMA, possibly caused by improve police activity, has resulted in outright death of unsuspecting users due to the cutting of toxic impurities into the pill (not the psychoactive key ingredient).

      Every drug has the potential to cause harm because it is a substance which must be metabolised and this causes an interaction. Education via fear (media and government) and lack of education (ignorance and government) are your enemy in this debate, not drug users or drugs themselves.

      “It becomes like a God to them” ... that is a very heavy judgement for you as an individual to make. Perhaps long term dope users prefer to kneel to a plant rather than a statue in order to channel their existential angst but whether they are stuck in a church or stuck on a bong the desire to satisfy the impulse is the same.

      In any respect, abusers represent the minority of users and statistically you’re interacting with a drug user everyday. the sky isnt falling.

    • mike says:

      01:04pm | 05/11/10

      Animals do things to get high (use google).  Its natural, are you denying that humans should go against nature just because of morals enforced by years of christian dogma?

      I’m not surpised you are shocked, you have been brainwashed.

      Look at your last line, change “their drug” to “their religion” ... yeah…
      Its obvious you don’t even understand what “controlling yourself” means.

    • loxy says:

      01:07pm | 05/11/10

      Anna - every been accused of being a drama queen? Alcohol is far from a poison and in small doses actually has many health benefits. Pot has been used for centuries medicinally for things like period pain, cancer etc. The issue is not what it is but how you use it i.e. moderation versus abuse.

      Either way, you sound incredibly narrow-minded, naive and boring to me.

    • David says:

      03:05pm | 05/11/10

      “Alcohol is bad, cigarettes are bad, cannabis is bad, heroin is bad, LSD is bad, methamphetamine is bad; prescription drugs are bad (which is why they are prescribed in controlled doses).”

      Aside form sounding like a puritan, you also sound poorly educated and experienced on the history and use of neuroactive substances.

      “It frightens me that in this era where there is so much readily available research (as well as anecdotal evidence) to prove that all drugs (even those which are legal) can and do cause horrific injury to many parts of our bodies, people still take them.”

      Use of intoxicants is as old as civilization itself, probably older, there are documented cases of animals using intoxicants – look up Myrmecomany.
      Every society known to man has used intoxicants, some people suggest that the Innuits didn’t however they . The complex effects of drugs on individuals and society as a whole have both positives and negative.

      The endocannabinoid system was discovered long after the endorphin system, which was indirectly detected in 1801 when morphine sulfate was isolated from opium. Morphine’s mechanism of action remained a mystery until the opioid µ receptor was identified.
      That discovery begged the question: Why do humans express a receptor for an opium poppy (Papavera somniferum) plant compound? Scientists quickly identified endorphins and enkephalins, which are endogenous compounds mimicked by the plant compound. Similar stories abound in the field of neurochemistry.

      These and a huge number of ideas and discoveries can thank drugs for their existence. If you are interested (probably not) try reading about Carl Sagans’ (brilliant astronomer) experiences of smoking Marijuana.

      That said I am not advocating the use of drugs (although I have personally enjoyed their benefits without ‘horrific injury’) it’s up to the individual to decide for themselves. What I am advocating is the freedom for an individuals to choose what they do and don’t consume. Not to be treated as a criminal or vilified because I have a preference for an intoxicant that is not socially accepted over one that is socially accepted substance. Why should I be treated as a criminal for smoking, why should I live with a criminal record if I get caught smoking?
      “My own humble opinion is that no-one in their right mind would argue for the right to take anything that enables them to lose control of their body and mind, and be amongst general society, their workplace, and operating machinery and driving vehicles.”
      “All you need to do is look at long term users of dope to see the change in them. They, and I know a few, can’t stop thinking about and talking about their drug - it becomes like a God to them. It controls them; so they’re not controlling themselves.”
      I use Marijuana responsibly reassured by the fact unlike most other intoxicants I cannot overdose as you can on alcohol or even coffee. And I do not ‘lose control’, whilst smoking as I occasionally do when I drink.
      I am a long term user of dope (12 years), and see myself as a responsible and considerate member of my society. I have a full-time job as well as running my own business. I have many interests other than smoking and close relationships with my family and friends.
      In addition to these arguments there is the very clear example of Portrugal which decriminalized possession of all drugs in 2001.
      “Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success,” says Glenn Greenwald, “It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does.”

      http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization

      “Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it.” – Henry David Thoreau

      Learn more before you pass judgement on the choices lives of others.

    • Shama says:

      09:50am | 06/11/10

      @David, I hope you realise that Thoreau was a teetotaller and something of a puritan.

      The rules he was talking about were certainly not the kind you have in mind.

    • Josh says:

      11:21am | 05/11/10

      Decriminalise it!! Stop clogging up the courts with people who havent harmed anyone or caused any problems. Just because they smoke they get called a criminal. If it was decriminalised then im sure it would stop all the big gangs dealing it because it would no longer be profitable for them if everyone was able to grow their own for personal use.
      I smoke everyday, have done for over 10 years. I have no mental issues, i have always held down a job, im progressing in my career, make a decent income and i contribute to society. Yet in order for me to do what I like to do (smoke instead of drink), I have to pay dealers who I know are good people, but ultimately the money is going up the chain to someone in organised crime which will be funding god knows what!!

      LEGALISE IT TO STOP THE CASH GOING TO THE WRONG PEOPLE!

    • stephen says:

      01:11pm | 05/11/10

      To pay for dealers is really quite sneaky Josh. Why don’t you just give it up ?Are you that addicted to something that you gotta right stupid letters to blogs hoping that society will let you carry on your addiction (addiction, like panic, is a very primitive response), and later, when you’re hooked on turps, powder or bad hookers we’re gonna pick up the tab ? Doing something repetitively, especially a drug, reinforces in your mind an addiction, so that you become addicted to addiction. Your whole life becomes habit-forming, one stupid behaviour after another becomes normal.
      Hell, do something interesting, man.
      I got a couple of friends I have this argument with a lot. Gradually, their behaviour (and their wives have noticed it too), is exhibiting peaks and troughs. They have manic episodes. It’s gonna kill them eventually.

    • Dave says:

      11:22am | 05/11/10

      Another daily pot smoker here for the last 10 years, maintained a full time job and pursued the career I always dreamed of when I was a kid… oh, and I never touched any other illegal drug. Whats weirder is all my pot smoking buddies dont take anything else either, except alcohol. pot is far cheaper than alcohol and just as easy to get.

    • Andrew says:

      11:38am | 05/11/10

      Wow that is a lot of responses for people who want it legalised.

      As someone who does no drugs, why do you smoke it?
      But then I should ask drinkers why they drink too.

    • mike says:

      01:16pm | 05/11/10

      Why do people play sports?
      Why do people lift weights?
      Why do people play chess?
      Why do people play games?
      Why do people eat junk food?

      Why does it matter what a person wants to do if they are not hurting you, family or community.  If they are, lock them up.

    • Sam says:

      02:30pm | 05/11/10

      The honest answer is they like the ‘high’ or ‘buzz’. The escape from reality that both alcohol and pot provides.

      Its really that simple. Anyone that claims differently is just fooling themselves.

    • Justin says:

      11:47am | 05/11/10

      Well that explains the cast of characters I see on the train trip to Gawler when I’m over there.

    • David says:

      11:52am | 05/11/10

      Even someone with only the most basic grip on economics can see that the issue here is the fact Marijuana legislation is inconsistent around the country.
      The concentration you are referring to exists because the financial incentives to grow weed in Adelaide are high due to little risk of harsh punishment.
      Much of the weed grown Adelaide gets exported around the country generating massive profit for growers.

      The answer is NOT stricter laws and punishment.

      It IS coming to terms with the fact that Cannabis prohibition is unjustified and illogical. Marijuana is used and will continue to be used by a significant portion of the population both in Australia and globally. Make pot legal, tax it regulate it like other culturally accepted intoxicants. By doing this you stop generating massive profits for criminals and start utilizing for the benefit of the general public. Stop wasting money unfairly punishing those who have a preference for a substance that has been used for thousands of years by humans and is one of the least harmful recreational/medicinal substances known to man.

      Alcohol, Tobacco, Dexamphetamine, Ritalin, Valium, an almost endless list of neuroactive substance are all legal. There are also substance abuse issues with all of these. Excess is the problem, not the substances themselves. Many things can be abused food, driving (speeding), even self control can be abused (anorexia). This is not a reason to make all potentially risky activities illegal…
      some people can’t handle peanuts (anaphylactic shock)…
      should we make peanuts illegal?

      As for your insulting portrayal of the old clichéd stereotypes of stoners, you can see even from the anecdotal evidence presented in many of the posts here that people who consume Cannabis are quite often highly intelligent, well informed, articulate, free thinking individuals.

      http://www.documentarywire.com/the-business-behind-getting-high/

    • JK_13 says:

      11:54am | 05/11/10

      The stigma associated with the use of marijuana is ridiculous and is purely a scare tactic used by the government. It is simply too hard for the government to regulate, control and tax the personal use and growing of pot. So in turn what do they do? They make it illegal. To say that the use of marijuana is linked with unemployment and mental illness is preposterous. I currently work full time in a highly professional career and associate with many people in similar positions (teachers, lawyers, engineers etc.). We all dabble in the occasional smoke and have been doing so for a number of years. To say that it has affected how we function and operate in our everyday lives is simply absurd. We go to work, perform our duties to the best of our ability, have all been recognised for the good work we do amongst the community, go home and spark up a joint and call it a night. We’re not hurting anyone.

    • Tombowler says:

      02:18pm | 06/11/10

      Noone ever realises that they are being damaged by drugs until they hit a wall. Everything is fine, til it isn’t- so to speak. I’ve watched several friends over the years battle with various things and they all say the same thing “Nah it’s cool, I only do x on saturday nights- it’s not like im hitting it during the week” followed as night follows day by “Yeah man, it’s not like i need it tho, I only do it after work anyway” followed yet again by “Fuck you man! I can’t afford to pay you back and stay the fuck out of my life”

      Your fortunate not to be turned into a degenerate by it, much as I was with my dabblings in other things. No need to open the floodgates for everyone to have to try and pass that rather selective test.

    • Gra gra says:

      12:17pm | 05/11/10

      I’m a criminologist, recently retired, and have visited perhaps thirty different institutions in my career worldwide interviewing prisoners.  When I began my research it was for the purpose of gathering evidence of marijuana damage in those held in various forms iof custody. I failed. There was not one documented case of violence directly attributable to cannabis use, There were many cases of theft for the purpose of financing drug use, (thousands in fact), which of course would be eliminated were the laws relaxed.
      Many of the comments here are unfounded, and I’m reminded of something a smoker told me in London. He said, ” Those who cry loudest against the use of this particular drug are those who would love to try it but fear the legal consequences”.  “Righteousness born of envy”, is how the late, great Bertrand Russell described it.
      I have smoked for the last two decades, I’m in my seventies, and my critics would say I am at least as lucid as ever. They don’t agree with me necessarily, but they respect me as I do them. Perhaps those who don’t mind Governments who all, (support), alcohol use and tobacco use because of the enormous tax crop gained, should visit the hospitals and victims of crime groups and ask if any of them have been affected by booze, tobacco, or marijuana. I know how that particular survey would print out.
      I too am a Libertarian. Do that which you will, but not so as to adversely affect others. That’s all.

    • elle1606 says:

      12:25pm | 05/11/10

      Yes pot, its so horrible for you..
      I work in health care (aged care) and I find it amazing the amount of chemically based pills we shovel down people’s throats everyday
      morphine, tramal, oxycontin - who’s to say they are any better for you then rolling a bit of grass having a puff and letting go of the stress of the day. To be honest all the people I know who have a smoke are a lot less stressed, easier to be around and more enjoyable people - but still continue to work, maintain family life etc;

    • Amy says:

      12:55pm | 05/11/10

      As someone who goes into anaphylactic shock when she encounters pot (yay), it’s actually really convenient that the stuff is illegal - although it’s pretty widespread, my college dorm was a minefield back in the day.  I’ve never had the inclination to go to Adelaide (cept the surrounding wine regions, of course), so I don’t think it’s ever going to make my to do list.  It has, however, made my “Places to Avoid or Risk Dying Ungracefully” list, right behind Amsterdam and Nimbin.  Congrats, Adelaide.

    • David says:

      03:40pm | 05/11/10

      but you’re not suggesting that it should stay illegal because of this are you?

    • James A says:

      04:18pm | 05/11/10

      Amsterdam is a great city!  We are shattered that you don’t want to visit us too!

    • NicoleG says:

      05:50pm | 06/11/10

      @David, oh no of course she wants it legalised just so you can continue to enjoy your hooch intake and merrily walk around off your noggin. Don’t worry if Amy cops a whiff of your joint, starts turning blue, tongue swells up, airways swell up, heart stops beating and then she drops dead. You might get a little stressed, but a couple of billy’s should fix you.

    • John says:

      02:57pm | 05/11/10

      There is a lot conspiracy theories on here, mostly from people that say they smoke. Hmmm, maybe smoking pot does do something to your brain. There is no conspiracy. If smoking pot was safe and didn’t damage your brain, then the government would have legalised it and taxed the hell out of it, simple. Surely that alone susgests that it isn’t save.

    • psych says:

      05:04pm | 05/11/10

      Yes John point well made, the Government always gets it right. Just like divorce legislation, homosexual rights, conscription, land rights and whatever other issue you would like to discuss.

      No one is paranoid, we just have a difference of opinion over social issues. I think you’ll find the majority in favour of a more balanced view of marijuana in society hold a libertarian perspective, however dogma is definitely a greater force to be reckoned with.

    • Josh says:

      06:20pm | 05/11/10

      Is drinking alcohol safe and non damaging to your brain?
      Just because they legalised alcohol does that make alcohol safe?
      No! Look at the problems in society from alcohol. Drinking too much alcohol can kill you. Drinking alcohol every day destroys peoples bodies and lives and has a high potential to effect EVERYONE around them.
      Using pot CANNOT kill you. Of course ‘smoking’ anything isnt healthy in any regard and can kill you (there are other ways of consuming it), but the marijuana itself is not capable of killing you in its natural form.

      Making alcohol is a delecate process that can go wrong if done incorrectly and ending up with fatal results. Not everyone is capable of doing this , thats why the governemt regulates it, and tax the hell out of it.

      EVERYONE can put a seed in the ground meaning government has no way what so ever to control it and tax it. Its a looking after a plant. hardly rocket science.

    • Terry Wright says:

      07:16pm | 05/11/10

      This is a perfect example showing the quality of argument put forward by anti-drug zealots.

      Thirty minutes spent researching the issue would stop most rational people from making this silly claim

      I can’t believe that in 2010, some people will still argue with science, facts and history simply because they have an opinion.

    • The Badger says:

      03:14pm | 05/11/10

      The knowledge of the author in this subject is only surpassed by the caption for the photo.

      Take a look at the photo and caption and have a laugh.

    • Lerky says:

      12:57am | 07/11/10

      yes i love the huge heads in that picture. ><

    • loco says:

      03:23pm | 05/11/10

      is this article just an inducement to comment?

    • James A says:

      04:13pm | 05/11/10

      Where the hell did you live in Adelaide Penbo?  Just because you lived in sh*tsville and hung out with ferals doesn’t make the rest of us like that!

      I lived through the same time period here as you and now as then the same sort of dead-heads that smoked that cr*p smoke it now - as in any city.

      What a load of bollox.

    • Lisa H. says:

      07:55pm | 05/11/10

      Surely there’s no denying that dope is incredibly addictive.
      Some of the smartest people I know devoted most of their ingenuity and efforts into growing and smoking more and more of the stuff.
      Not really a long term strategy for a great life, though.
      And not so great for the ‘girlfriend’ who wants to get her life together, either.
      Try telling her that it’s just a social habit.

    • Who R U 2 Judge? says:

      05:13pm | 09/11/10

      “Is marijuana addictive? Yes, in the sense that most of the really pleasant things in life are worth endlessly repeating.”
      - Richard Neville

      http://www.dailysmoker.com

      Who are you to judge what is a great life? Even the process of growing provides imeasurable enjoyment and satisfaction to some. If they have nothing else in their lives I’d say thats a shortcoming of their personality or situation. Its all too easy to blame a plant.

    • A Dose of Reality says:

      12:23am | 06/11/10

      Coffee? Melbourne?  You have to be joking!  Worst sump water in the country, more like.

    • Wilko says:

      02:20am | 06/11/10

      LOL in the end we all have choice like with any substance we can use it or abuse it , the choice is up to us . I am all for smoking weed it is our life to do with as we please. If I want to get some perscription meds and abuse them well thats legal isnt it or same with booze but as i said it all comes down to the choice we make

    • Jesica says:

      05:51am | 06/11/10

      Seems like the majority of readers would like pot to be like alcohol, taxed and decrimed. Hopefully oneday it will happen, as the current system is a joke, catching people with small amounts at festivals and train stations with sniffer dogs is pathetic, such a waste of money and resources and it messes up someones life when they aren’t doing any harm.. Go catch some violent robbers or rapists.

    • James says:

      09:34am | 06/11/10

      Adelaide stoners will always find a reason to justify using pot.
      Just as those who think it leads to harder drugs, damages families and causes mental illness will advocate against it
      My theory if you use it and can function, work, contribute and are not a harm to society, go for your life. Sponge off of others while you hunker on the couch stoned as, then expect nothing from the government you despise and blame for your situation. Expect nothing from family that worked their lives away to give you an education food and a roof, and remove the sense of entitlement. You are only entitled to what you earn.

    • rocky says:

      09:38am | 06/11/10

      This article is poor and the plain reality is that pot is NOT going to destroy the modern world, governments and big business are ding an excellent job of that.
      Just legalise pot for heavens sake (right across the country) it for over 21’s and smash anyone who sells it or steals it. Get rid of the deadhead bikies for good because the penalities for all other manufactured drugs should go through the roof ( they are all rubbish anyway).

    • Moo says:

      10:08am | 06/11/10

      It is not incredibly addicitive to a large majority.

      How many people have smkoed it versus how many are addicited.

      Emotive statement is emotive.

    • Terry Wright says:

      12:02pm | 06/11/10

      Addictive? You forgot it’s a gateway drug, causes amotivational syndrome and produces “marijuana babies”. Just like ecstasy is addictive and causes holes in your brain. Or that ice/crack is instantly addictive. Or that dealers give free samples to school students so they will become clients for life. etc. etc.

    • Tombowler says:

      01:51pm | 06/11/10

      I love all these alleged peace-niks crapping on about how happy and safe weed is and how much better it is for society. If this was really true you would boycott your habit.

      Why? Because your 25 dollar jay bag bought from that nice dude with the sarong ends up putting capital in the coffers of organized crime gangs who don’t share the same soy-bean commune world view that you do.

      In fact it leads to the much more insidious importations of weapons, cocaine (from lethal mexican cartels responsible for more deaths than afghanistan in the past year) and precursors.

      By all means push for decriminalization but don’t try and reconcile your causal assistance to an evil, greedy and self-interested trade with some notion of positivity. The only way you can do this is to push for decriminalization while simultaneously boycotting your degenerate habits until such a time as you can be sure your money is not paying a mexican assasain to murder some poor share-cropping family who didn’t play ball.

      F%#@in’ hippys: no responsibility for their actions and a totally one-eyed world view.

    • Jonas says:

      06:48am | 07/11/10

      Tombowler > You seem to have no clue mate.

      “Why? Because your 25 dollar jay bag bought from that nice dude with the sarong ends up putting capital in the coffers of organized crime gangs who don’t share the same soy-bean commune world view that you do.”

      That is such a load of garbage! Maybe if we were talking about crack cocaine or meth or heroin, but we are talking about pot. If we buy from dealers it is only because we can’t buy it legally and taxed like alcohol and tobacco (and hillbilly heroin and methadone and lots of things).. The money goes to some guy who got away with growing some, it’s not going to overseas drug lords hahaha what planet are you on?

      “F%#@in’ hippys: no responsibility for their actions and a totally one-eyed world view”

      -As for that comment, the same applies to you and your view that it shouldn’t be made available and sold and taxed. Wake up man, you are the odd one out with David (the author of this article)

    • Tombowler says:

      03:34pm | 07/11/10

      Yeah righto Jonas… Keep telling yourself how harmless it is… Keep telling yourself that it’s all so victimless. What about that 35 year old mother who was ice-picked in adelaide a couple of months or so ago for her 8 plants.

      It’s typical lefty bullshit to divorce themselves from “real drugs”- failing to understand that the consistent availability of marijuana makes it a handy staple for organised crime in times when there is a drought in harder drugs. Also- the profit-risk ratio of marijuana is fan-fuckin-tastic.

      I got no problem with decriminalization of the stuff- you wanna toast your brain fckn go for it- but i do have a problem with stupid stoners buying weed, wanky hipsters buying coke and all of these muppets protesting the war in afghanistan with a failure to understand that international terrorism and organised crime use drugs as THE staple for the raising of capital. Marijuana and it’s rather innocuous, over-indulging dealers are simply another cog in a very deadly mechanism.

      Yeah a lot of your favoured plant may be sourced from some dude who grows it on his property but more likely it’s grown in a house rented under the name of someone dead or something by some characters who are less than concerned with your wellbeing or civil liberties and view all you morons as the ultimate suckers.

      Open your eyes fella- if you buy drugs from the benign distributors that form the low-end of the organised crime networks then you are contributing money to those networks. I don’t know why people espouse that “my body, my right” crap. I couldn’t give a sh#$ about your body and what you do with it- I do care about the insidious and inherently evil organised criminals that DO have a bearing on our day to day life.

      In Italy- once they gained power through drugs- the Ndreghetta mafia started up shop sinking boats of nuclear waste off the Amalfi coast for a bit of extra scratch. You stupid hippys can wear all the “this saturday im voting greens” t-shirts you like, but the cold hard reality is your a bunch of selfish hypocrites too addled by that haze to realise it.

    • Rebecca K says:

      08:08am | 08/11/10

      Tombowler - you are a drug dealers best friend.  You won’t find a drug dealer out there that wants drugs decriminalised, it would completely undermine their business.  What drug dealers really love is hysterical misinformed fools squealing from the rooftops about the evils of drugs, keeping the cash rolling in.  ‘totally one eyed world view’ eh?  oh the irony

    • B.Marley says:

      02:04am | 07/11/10

      Bulldust Pembo, Take away the smoke, meth gains ground, much more harm, much harder to treat.
      Wiseup all ye commentators….Ye would serve the community far better by incouraging decriminalisation, .....Lead the way David, End Prohibition End the Problem….................

    • Adelaide is a great place to live! says:

      12:12pm | 07/11/10

      Shame on you Penbo for using the moniker “City of Churches”, especially since you come from Adelaide.  You know full well that people in Adelaide loathe this title and NEVER use it themselves.  “City of Churches and Pubs” was the correct term coined by Anthony Trollope over 100 years ago in reference to the fact that, unlike the eastern states, people were free to set up and practice any religion they wanted.  This was coupled with the irony that there were as many pubs as churches.  Unfortunately these days, I’ve never seen this explained by anyone in the eastern states - they only use half the moniker to infer that Adelaide is a wowser city which is most definitely is not.

    • RM says:

      03:46pm | 07/11/10

      There is a big difference between use and abuse, regardless of the substance.

    • jonas says:

      06:08am | 08/11/10

      Tombowler > Well i can’t relate to any of your views,  but regarding the Adelaide mother who was killed, i think you might have some facts wrong, because she wasn’t ice-picked to death, she was shot, and it wasn’t pot related, she was robbed in her house several times prior to the shotting in her car and no pot was taken…. Also;

      “Supt Gray says four cannabis plants growing hydroponically in a locked garage at the home were not linked to the murder.”

      Be nice if you used real facts when going off about how bad pot is. I could easily provide vast amounts of stories relating to alcohol violence or problems from tobacco products leading to death and misery, but it’s not worth it, you are on a mission to tell us all how bad pot is and that’s fine with me, just seems odd. So many people use it everyday and are not brain friend as you again got wrong.

      Your views on anti drugs seem so extreme and you keep saying f!@#$ hippys’ and greens and such.

      You sound pretty agro and angry man, you have your right to your view, as weird and bizarre as they sound, but reading over the comments on here you seem to be on a pretty much solo mission against weed, not many other comments are really that against it, and truthfully i don’t understand why you would be, it hardly ‘toasts your brain’ as you say, and they money does not go over seas to criminal organisations from the sale of small amounts.

      I think you possibly are thinking of other harder chemical based drugs, or maybe you haven’t tried pot before and are just very against it so you come up with any crap you can? Whatever it is, crime will go on with or without it being decriminalised.

      I could pull a huge number of stories relating to legal drugs and people getting murdered, there is so much alcohol related violence that it is not funny, and people ending up in hospital, same with tobacco products and cancer and other lung and throat complications, and pot hasn’t killed anyone from it’s direct usage. So you keep on with your zero tolerance bulldust and how evil drugs are, and attacks on hippys and greens, good luck with it, join the ranks of bush, howard and nixon and so many other with such small minded, personal attacks on the use of it.

      America and alot of Europe and Canada have all relaxed their laws relating to pot use and they all allow it for personal use and medicinal use, so Tombowler you are probably going to have to get used to it, it’s not going anywhere, and it is used by multi millions of people world wide every second, omg the world brains are all fried! hahahaah your ignorance astounds me.

      Oh yeah and regarding your last point on Italy, this isn’t Italy, and you again attack hippys, i don’t know why but you seem to think only hippys or ferals smoke pot? Well i work for a very large IT company and have for along time and even the muslim technicians smoke it out of some weird pipe, and alot of others at work too, and none of us are hippys or brain friend. So again, wrong info my man, gee i see an underlying theme with your points, they all contain misguided, incorrect info. Try research more next time before you post please? Thanks.

    • me says:

      07:54am | 08/11/10

      Marijuana is not “decriminalised” in Vancouver….where did you get that from?  Perhaps you should do some research before you post things like that.  It reflects poorly on the rest of your “article” that you got such a basic fact wrong.

    • Tomo says:

      02:55pm | 08/11/10

      Rediculous. Typical uninformed, sensationalist, biased bulls**t that we always get from the Advertiser. Getting rid of the criminal organisations that profit from mass cultivation and distribution would be good, but you will never stop people smoking it and nor should anyone have the right to. People are entitled to their own decisions, if they don’t learn the risks of marijuana use than that’s their problem. Anyone who wants to learn the risks need only look for 2 minutes on the internet to do so, if they don’t than that’s their fault. People need to start taking responsibility for their actions and make their own decisions instead of looking to the government to do that for them. Unfortunately we live in a world mostly inhabited by fools so that wont happen.

    • The Civet says:

      05:07pm | 08/11/10

      DAVID PENBERTHY’s article is astonishingly old fashioned; in fact I had to triple check it to see if it had been written in the late 1960s. The next thing he’ll do is to start recommend cold baths for the people tempted to try Cannabis. Or ‘stop it or you will be going blind’ to anyone reaching out to touch it.

      How many times do people have to learn from history in order to stop repeating it? The Americans invoked Prohibition in order to stop people from drinking. And what, pray tell me David P,  happened as a result of this Prohibition? The sale of home-brewed alcohol rocketed, people like the late JFK’s father, Joe Kennedy, made a mega fortune. The Mafia and other organised crime made several killings-pun intended-and thousands of people went insane, blind, had rotting kidneys and livers par-boiled in the nauseous brews made from diesel fuel, turps, metholated spirits, and boot polish.

      You criticise people for not hating Cannabis. Why? To make a headline; to catch attention, or, have you decided to race the ‘Bolter’ to the bottom of the sewer? Or is it the old furphy ‘if you start with Cannabis you’ll end up on heroin’

      Any substance remotely relaxing can, with over- use, become addictive. However, as a woman, I’d far rather be on a train at night time with a carriage-load of cannabis toking men than being on a train at any time of the day with a zonked-out and brutal bunch of hoons.

    • Rocky says:

      09:33pm | 08/11/10

      Yep you’ve lost this one Penbo - so bring back the ten plants I say

    • The TRUTH says:

      03:49pm | 09/11/10

      The conspiracy has long been exposed…Dupont had Hemp outlawed in the 1930’s because it directly competed with Nylon. (Marijuana was the name given to confuse people so they could pass the law to ban Hemp).

      Yet we are still having this conversation… with wine there is a spectrum of people, from the civilized who like the odd glass of shiraz or cab sav through to wino’s who live for their daily cask of goon.

      What right does ANYONE have to tell me that I cant enjoy one of Gods finest gifts?

      The rediculous stereotype that people who enjoy smoking HEMP are hopeless druggies is really just a vehicle for governments to justify their war on drugs. Without cannabis prohibition their budgets v results would expose the war on drugs for what it is. A SCAM!  Prohibition didn’t work for alcohol so why do legislators continue to think it will be any different for drugs?

      If you seriously want to break the hold that organised crime has on the drug market then make it legal to grow HEMP everywhere… alongside your basil and corriander. The value of it would plummit hence breaking organised crime.

      Organised crime have too much to lose if it is legalised and are the biggest lobbyists to keep it outlawed.

      I really hope all you do-good hypocrites choke on your next glass of Riesling because you are just as much a druggie as anyone who enjoys a relaxing choof, or even a coffee.

      There IS medical basis for its use as demonstrated by the U.S goverments patent on the extraction of active ingrediants as a neuroprotectant and anti- oxidant. Google it!

      With peak oil about to hit in the next 100 years, the solution with a reneweable source of oil is hemp. With all the talk of a carbon tax and climate change, we already have a great carbon filter producing 4X the same area of trees…HEMP!

      Hemp seed is a source of food with protiens and omega3’s in the optimum ratio for human consumption compared to any other seed or grain.

      It really is a gift from God. “I give you EVERY green seed bearing plant on the face of the the earth….they shall be yours for meat” Genesis 1:29

      The time has come for this misinformation and sensationalism perpetuatiated by media and politicians alike to cease. To ban HEMP because people smoke it is like banning water because people drown in it.

      Mark my words….HEMP will save the planet.

    • Steven says:

      10:46am | 17/11/10

      Your story is LACKING a LOT of RESEARCH!!!

      Firstly NO study has ever shown Pot makes you go insane, if your all ready crazy then it might (only might) make a bad problem more worse.  Yet it can’t cause the problem to begin with.  20 years of studies coming out every year say this, every year the governments of many countries say “oh well they just need more time and money”, then after a repeat of reasearch is done newly elected politicans say the exact same thing.  They feel if they’re honest they’ll loose votes.

      Second the scare campain about all pot smokers are unemployable I heard in high school to try and scare me away from drugs.  It’s not honest, once you’ve met a pot smoker who’s paid off a house and raise a happy family you start to realise it’s the people who abuse drugs not use them who have a problem.  Just like we all know most people can have a drink of alcohol on the weekend, but those who get drunk every night are abuseing it and have problems in life.  It’s the exact same.  Some can some can’t.  There are plenty of unemployable drunks out there.  No difference!

      Keeping it illegal stops regulation, which inturn denies the governments and the community as a whole to control and set standards.  Decriminalisation is totally different, it’s still against the law and the Government can’t tax or regulate its sale or production.  Holland Portugal want to completely legise it.  Portugal’s conservative politicans & religious groups hated the Decriminalisation of all drugs.  Yet now those very same people are asking the UN to allow them to fully legaise ALL drugs.  Because they see how being allowed to have it in the open can get more people to seek help.  They realise drug regulation would give the government control over many social issues that every modern society currently has a problem with.  They also want to stop violent criminals getting rich (like bikies and mafia).  Plus drug information can start being honest and help people stop themselves before they loose control.  Instead of the fear campain that desinged to scare them off.  Which doesn’t work for most.  Honestly if fear did work as a solution then drugs would of died out in the 1940’s…  But they didn’t did they?  80 years the substances have been illegal, and for 80 years the amount and it’s their use hasn’t changed.

      So if you did some research you’d see the growing call for legalisation across the whole world.  Holland, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Mexico, Argentina, Czech Republic, (very soon/next year) Norway.  Have decriminalised ALL DRUGS!  Yes in Mexico you can have a small amount of cocaine and not be charged.  Medical Pot is found in Canada and USA (plus the above mentioned countires)

      Face it, you’ll never win a war on Human Nature, we’ve done it for 1000’s of years.  But all your scare campaines when people can now read the research themselves, and see the really bad research is always funded by companies or agencies who’ll profit from keeping them illegal therefore making them invalid.  People can learn from themselves something doesn’t add up. Sure many have problems with their abuse, while many more don’t.  I personally would argue only 1 of 12 have a problem and end up in rehab/jail/news.

      But we when a legal drug makes you sick enough to throw up, causes enough brain damage so you forget the night before.  Drains you body enough to cause a bad come down the next day, while causing bad liver damage.  Then also changes your personality more than any other drug so you do stupid things you wouldn’t normally do and wrecking lives from such bad choices…  It’s pointless fighting this war with a drug as bad as Alcohol for all drug users to compare with and say “At least I’m not a drunk”...

    • Confused says:

      12:33pm | 17/11/10

      You know what I find striking about the comments on here (and other forums)

      Those who want drugs to be illegal, only ever point to a single experience or individuals who have destroyed their life with drugs.  So there argument is keep it illegal because keeping them illegal limits these risks/issues.  That’s all, not much.

      While those who want drugs to be decriminalised or legalised point out lots of studies, experience, history, attitudes, proof or disproof from around the world.  So there argument is the law hasn’t worked and might be pointless and maybe even make the situation more dangerous.  That’s a lot of examples and arguments.

      I was brought up to hate all drugs, I thought all drug users became addicted and jobless…  Yet I’m older and wiser and I don’t see that.

      An example:  A guy here at work got busted with Pot; he was repeat offender and already had an order on him when he was last caught so he went to jail.  This man had full respect of everyone here at work, he did his job well, showed up all the time, rarely had sick leave, he also had a mortgage.

      We’re left wondering how sending him to jail helped anyone?  What are you protecting us from?  I’d like anyone against drugs to tell me how from our perspective this was a good thing or how we benefited?

    • Chriss says:

      10:01pm | 18/11/10

      Working in the health scene here in Adelaide, I’ve seen many great young minds been lost to dope. Alas they will soon be joining the throngs of minds lost to grog. Sad. But guess health-team workers will never be unemployed.

    • odd says:

      07:33am | 20/11/10

      Yeah but Chriss there’s also the millions worldwide who smoke pot and never have any health issues. It goes both ways, same with alcohol. Seems odd to allow one and not the other, especially when the one allowed by law is doing so much damage to people and the community.

      Confused, yep you are right, it is pointless sending end users to jail for small amounts of pot, they have stopped doing that in the usa now, as they filled up the jails so quick and now they have realised it was a bad mistake and alot of states are not even busting people who have under and ounce.

      I think it is crazy people are allowed to smoke and drink themselves sick, but we are not allowed pot, which is so easy to grow and doesnt have to be smoked, it can be eaten or vapourized and you still get the effects.

 

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