Cheers to The Punch for the opportunity to respond to recent contributions on nuclear power, in particular those by Clive Mathieson and David Penberthy.

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Clive claims that nuclear power is “a debate Labor desperately doesn’t want us to have” and David says “our dominant politicians are determined to not even allow a debate” on the issue.

Clive and David ought to spell out exactly what they want from the government.

Is it a public inquiry to study the merits of nuclear power and other energy sources? If designed to illuminate the issues rather than arrive at predetermined answers, such an inquiry would be welcome. It would be a welcome antidote to the 2006 Switkowski report which was written by a group of nuclear advocates at the behest of former Prime Minister John Howard.

Clive bemoans Labor’s “schizophrenic platform on uranium − pro-mining, pro-exports but anti-power”. David looks forward to a future when this “stupid double-standard” is resolved.

Of course there is some overlap between the issues of uranium mining and domestic nuclear power but they turn on a largely separate set of issues and it is not necessarily illogical − let alone hypocritical − to support one but oppose the other. Most Australians agree with Labor’s argument that Australia has better energy supply options than nuclear power, and the existence of uranium deposits in Australia is irrelevant to that debate.

But the government is being hypocritical on important nuclear issues − without being held to account by the media. For example, in 2006 and 2007 Kevin Rudd issued blunt warnings about the “fracturing” of the nuclear non-proliferation regime, yet the Rudd government has done nothing to strengthen the regime and has weakened it in various ways.

The government’s support for a resumption of international nuclear trade with India − which is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) − clearly weakens the non-proliferation regime. It encourages other countries to pull out of the NPT, build nuclear weapons, and to do so on the expectation that nuclear trade will not be disrupted.

Likewise, foreign minister Stephen Smith could hardly be setting the bar any lower with his proposal to export uranium to Russia with no requirement for any International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards inspections − a proposal which hangs in the balance after the Joint Standing Committee on Treaties made the entirely reasonable recommendation that Mr Smith should insist on at least some safeguards inspections.

Climate change and nuclear power

David claims that Australia remains “hysterically opposed” to the domestic use of nuclear power. There’s no need to be hysterical to oppose nuclear power − it may help but it’s not essential.

As a climate change ‘solution’, nuclear power is a blunt instrument. Even the 2006 Switkowski report found that building six nuclear power reactors would reduce Australia’s greenhouse emissions by just 4% if they displace coal-fired plants, or just 2% if they displace gas. Globally, doubling nuclear power would reduce emissions by about 5% but it would also result in the production of over one million tonnes of high-level nuclear waste and enough plutonium to build over one million nuclear weapons.

David writes: “You can see why, in the 70s and 80s in the midst of crises such as Three Mile Island and Chernobyl, and in the middle of an arms race against the Soviet Union, that the whole issue was a total no-go. My own views for many years were framed by growing up through that period, sitting at school in 1983 watching movies like The Day After, or thinking in 1986 when Chernobyl happened and when the US bombed Libya that maybe the entire world was actually about to end. These are now redundant arguments, the world has changed ...”

Yes, the world has changed, for the worse in many respects.

Our fears of a deadly nuclear detonation – whatever the cause – have been reawakened. In part, these fears are driven by new realities. The rise in terrorism. The discovery of clandestine nuclear programmes. The emergence of a nuclear black market. But these realities have also heightened our awareness of vulnerabilities in the NPT regime.

The acquisition by more and more countries of sensitive nuclear know-how and capabilities. The uneven degree of physical protection of nuclear materials from country to country. The limitations in the IAEA’s verification authority – particularly in countries without additional protocols in force. The continuing reliance on nuclear deterrence. The ongoing perception of imbalance between the nuclear haves and have-nots. And the sense of insecurity that persists, unaddressed, in a number of regions, most worryingly in the Middle East and the Korean Peninsula.

That paragraph might sound like it was taken from a Friends of the Earth flyer but in fact it was lifted verbatim from a 2005 speech by then IAEA Director General Mohamed El Baradei. In the four years since that speech, we could add alarming developments such as North Korea’s emergence as the tenth country to have built nuclear weapons (and the fifth to have done so under cover of a ‘peaceful’ nuclear program), and Russia’s threats to attack some of its neighbours with nuclear weapons as US missile defence facilities move closer to its borders.

Former US Vice President Al Gore has neatly summarised the problem that counts most heavily against nuclear power: “For eight years in the White House, every weapons-proliferation problem we dealt with was connected to a civilian reactor program. And if we ever got to the point where we wanted to use nuclear reactors to back out a lot of coal ... then we’d have to put them in so many places we’d run that proliferation risk right off the reasonability scale.”

Which brings us back to climate change. A limited nuclear exchange involving as little as 0.3% of the global nuclear weapons arsenal would not only kill thousands or millions of people immediately but would also produce unprecedented climate change and seriously worsen ozone depletion.

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    • Rationalist says:

      06:35am | 17/08/09

      All I hear is “rahh rahh rahh” lefty art type elitist rabble.

      Nuclear or coal, pick one, no middle-ground simply because middle ground doesn’t exist (on the ground in the real world, it exists in the lefty art type elitist minds who sit in cafes sipping lattes).

      Geothermal has its place and it may well supplant some coal and nuclear base load generation, otherwise, you have no chance.

    • alan cotterell says:

      07:44am | 17/08/09

      People who want Australia to get into nuclear power are kidding themselves.  Our engineers cannot even handle normal hazardous substances without trying t o go nuclear!  There would have to be a radical change to our education system extending over many years before those idiots would be competent to handle the safety issues.

    • groucho says:

      07:56am | 17/08/09

      How exactly are we to introduce nuclear power?

      By massive subsidies to major international players, by failing to factor in the down-stream costs of de-commissioning, and by ignoring waste-storage costs for ever.

    • Tom says:

      08:51am | 17/08/09

      Nuclear power is a valid alternative and one that Australia should be investing in.

      I suggest that you have a read of the ABC PM program http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2507565.htm

      And alan cotterell your comment that ‘our engineers cannot even handle normal hazardous substances’ is preposterous. Stupid comments like that highlight nothing but your pig ignorance.

      And groucho - what do you thing the Renewal Energy Target Legislation is all about if not ‘massive subsidies’ to wind and solar producers - at $200 megawatt hour (wholesale) for solar, $100 - $120 per megawatt hour for wind (wholesale and only in good windy spots) compared to $15 per megawatt hour (wholesale) for coal and $80 per megawatt hour (wholesale) for nuclear and tell me who exactly is getting the ‘massive subsidies’!

    • eag says:

      09:06am | 17/08/09

      How about we try to reduce our power consumption so it’s not even necessary to think about going nuclear? Solar power for every factory,business and home.Legislate for it,problem solved.

    • R.E.L. says:

      09:31am | 17/08/09

      eag is the only one here who makes sense…
      legislating for compulsory solar panels on every house and office has precedence overseas and is the only way to proliferate solar energy use.

      but everybody seems to want to ignore the example of Sweden with 80% nuclear power generation and not a single bomb and not a single drop of waste spillage!

      YES WE CAN go nuclear!

    • Zeta says:

      09:43am | 17/08/09

      Here is how we introduce nuclear power:

      Step 1. Bulldoze Sydney’s Sutherland Shire

      Step 2. Finish the desalination plant.

      Step 3. Build nuclear reactor of tremendous size next to desalination plant. (Because nuclear power needs desalinated water, also, we’d get to bulldoze Sutherland.)

      Step 4. Make sure Sutherland Shire is thouroughly bulldozed (no cashed-up-bogans hiding near Heathcote, god forbid they get irradiated or anything and gain super powers to go along with their enourmous egos)

      Step 5. Start weaponizing our uranium, build nuclear warheads, become Pacific superpower.

      Step 6 (optional). Stop quoting Al Gore like he’s some kind of environmental buddha. He lost an election, became interested in climate change. John Howard lost an election, retired, and became interested in cricket but you don’t see channel 9 putting up his opinions on the ashes up every five seconds.

    • Macca says:

      10:33am | 17/08/09

      Ah, I understand now. By developing Nuclear Reactors, Australia will enevitably develop Nuclear Warheads and engage with Nuclear war with North Korea. And you are trying to tell us that Nuclear Power will only produce 5% less emissions than the coal power we currently use. Rubbish.

      How about an article on how are we to introduce widespread Green Power technology. Or is it too easy to simply critique alternative power options, rather than develop your own solution to the problem you adoringly worship

    • watty says:

      11:02am | 17/08/09

      Perhaps this table showing the U.S. Department of Energy showing the U.S uses less than 1% wind and solar energy in their energy mix as against 8% nuclear might bring a bit of logic to the cry for “renewable” energy.

      Hundreds of millions of taxpayers money has been fed into renewables in America and this is the end result?

      France Sweden Japan Scotland Germany etc all include nuclear power in their energy mix so why can’t Australia?

      No nuclear, no coal, no offshore drilling, no filling in National Parks just good clean environmentally friendly windmills and subsidised solar.

      The anti-development lobby’s wet dream

      Rudd is trying the same here with unrealistic targets to be subsidised with Government (aka taxpayers) money.

      http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/pdf/pages/sec1_7.pdf

    • joe says:

      12:16pm | 17/08/09

      Remember the fact that the world is no longer warming and Global Warming is just a con from carpetbaggers such as Al Gore who are getting rich from this invention.

    • mikk says:

      01:00pm | 17/08/09

      Good to see all you nuke supporters so keen. Will you still be so keen when they want to build that reactor in your backyard?
      NIMBYism is what would prevent a single nuke plant going up in oz. No one wants one next to their family and loved ones do they?
      You can debate it all you like but the reality comes when you decide exactly where to build the plant and the current residents go ballistic.

    • RT says:

      01:22pm | 17/08/09

      Proportion of climatoligists who consider the evidence establishing man-made global warming is convincing enough: 90%

      Proportion of the Australian public who think we need action on climate change: 70%

      Proportion of right-wing political commentators who think climate change is a lot of baloney: 100%

      Proportion of people who post on blogs such as this who think climate change is a lot of baloney but think we should introduce nuclear energy anyway to counter it: count ‘em yourself

    • the Watcher says:

      01:25pm | 17/08/09

      So let me get this straight - if we have a nuclear power industry in Australia, the world will end due to an exchange of nuclear weapons.

      This will do me.

      While it sums up the best the green movement has to offer in terms of opposition to nuclear power (ie a ludicrous scare campaign) - it does nothing for the debate on energy security and climate change.

    • AB says:

      01:42pm | 17/08/09

      option a) Spend 20 years planning, designing, importing and constructing nuclear power plants that require either large water resources or are built on the coastline (where most Australians live).  These power plants can then produce power at a similar cost to wind, as long as the government underwrites the insurance.

      option b)  use the massive amounts of wind, solar and geothermal resources we have in Australia.  There are billions of dollars of these projects waiting for the renewable energy target to pass.
      (@Tom: a subsidy of ~$50 per MWh not $200)

    • TimT says:

      01:46pm | 17/08/09

      Your argument that we shouldn’t build nuclear plants because of the dangers of terrorist attack is like saying we shouldn’t build more dams because terrorists could bomb them at some point in the future and thousands of peoples in surrounding towns would die.

      It didn’t exactly stop our ancestors from building dams, now, did it?

      And if we really thought this was a danger that was in any way likely, wouldn’t we be decommissioning dams left, right, and centre?

      And how about all the people in Europe and Canada and the US and the UK who live near nuclear power, and yet somehow never manage to get to worked up about the dangers of terrorist attack? Almost as if it were a - NON PROBLEM.

      You attempt to substitute paranoia for rational debate, but really, the anti-nuclear lobby mustn’t have much left if all it can muster now is ‘fears of terrorist attack’, as opposed to the older arguments re: core meltdown, waste storage, etc.

    • R.E.L. says:

      02:21pm | 17/08/09

      Whoever spead the myth of nuclear power stations being built in peoples’ backyards is laughing at how naive the believers in this stupid assertion are.

      The cheapest way to run an energy supply system is to build the power plant FAR AWAY from civilisation (eg the Simpson Desert, Sutherland Shire)  and transport it via cables to cities.

      Why would the industry want to build a nuclear plant on every corner block?

      Think people!

    • RobJ says:

      02:53pm | 17/08/09

      “The cheapest way to run an energy supply system is to build the power plant FAR AWAY from civilisation (eg the Simpson Desert, Sutherland Shire)  and transport it via cables to cities.”

      Wrong - transmission is expensive, the closer it is the cheaper the transmission.

      “Think people! “

      You should practice what you preach before making ridiculous claims.

    • groucho says:

      04:28pm | 17/08/09

      Mmm. May well be transmission costs that kill hot rocks. Pity.

      Tom: Perfick! Happy to pay subsidies for power sources that won’t be trying to kill my grandchildren, thanks. Happy to pay more for power that’s non-nuclear. Happy to pay fair share of tax for any public-good proposal, even if its gunna do *you* more good then *me*.  So ta for the plug.

    • rufus says:

      05:05pm | 17/08/09

      REL - you are certainly not an expert on nuclear energy. It works by heating water to drive turbines. Water, get it? The reactors can’t be in the desert. Also, what RobJ says - they have to be near the consumers to make the transmissions workable - in other words, in someone’s back yards. Tell us the area you live in and as long as it’s not also close to where I live, maybe I’d support a reactor going there. But I suspect your neighbours wouldn’t.

    • davido says:

      08:33pm | 17/08/09

      There does seem to be a weird twist in thinking. How is it that the rabid right think that nuclear is an answer for climate change?

      What hypocrites.

    • R.E.L. says:

      09:08am | 18/08/09

      RobJ - transmission from 2-3 power stations into cities is 100x cheaper than building a power station in every suburb!!

      If you work in the energy supply industry, then I fear for our future energy costs and reliability

    • R.E.L. says:

      09:55am | 18/08/09

      rufus, i’m sorry i should open my eyes and realise that living in a big city, i have no electricity because there are no power stations nearby…so why are my lights on?
      all of our power stations are situated in distant, lightly populated areas and the power is transmitted into the cities!
      i don’t see any power stations on the coast. where most of the population lives…
      an you can have nuclear power stations in the desert if you bring the water from elsewhere. it’s called a tanker.

    • Tim says:

      10:26am | 18/08/09

      REL,
      you make me laugh.
      I’m a big supporter of Nuke power but you do our argument a disservice.
      Any nuclear power plant will have to be built on the coast because of its need for water. Tanking water to a nuclear plant would cost more than the plant itself. These plants do not however have to be built in highly populated areas.
      Transmission losses will kill geothermal energy in Australia.
      Solar and wind cannot provide the baseload power needed and are not as cheap as nuclear.
      A mix of generation technologies including renewables and nuclear is the way to go for Australia’s energy security.

    • Realist says:

      01:46pm | 24/08/09

      http://yelnick.typepad.com/politick/2009/07/scientists-rebel-against-global-warming-consensus.html

      Now the NOAA has admitted what has been reported in his blog and is fairly obvious to anyone looking at temperature charts: global warming has flatlined for the past decade.  See chart. 

      They claim such a decade long event is rare; a little calculation found it a 5% likelihood.  The NOAA goes on to put out a test for AGW; if the flatlne goes out as far as 15 years, it essentially disproves all the climate models. 

      I can’t wait… smile

    • Business Energy Australia says:

      03:20pm | 15/05/10

      Thanks for a good read. I agree that it can take a while before your investment in solar panels returns. But on the other hand, it is a very positive thing for our environment and it really helps!
      http://www.business-energy-australia.com.au/

 

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