People from Glasgow, the largest city in Scotland, are often typecast by the British media as violent drunks.

Read this caption in a funny accent. Picture: Herald Sun

The stereotype has truth to it. Or had. Just like Australians, Scotsmen love to drink and punch people. Glasgow’s got one of the highest rates of alcohol-related violence in the world. Someone having their face slashed from the corners of their mouth to their ears is known as the “Glasgow grin”, which says a lot about the industrial city’s problem with knife crime.

And in 2004, the UN found it to be the murder capital of Europe. Not really a title you want your city to have when you’re a top cop with the local police, as Karyn McCluskey was at the time. Ms McCluskey has been key in turning Glasgow’s fortunes around – and as king-hit violence leaves young men clinging to life around Australia every weekend, there’s plenty we can learn from what this city has achieved.

It all started with a senseless murder. A young boy was stabbed, crying for his mum as he bled to his death in a 74-year-old female bystander’s arms.

“I thought it would be a ‘Rosa Parks’ moment,” Ms McCluskey explained when she sat down with The Punch in Sydney yesterday. “You know: we’ve had enough.”

It wasn’t. There was no real public outrage. “That was all the boy was ever going to be” was the attitude at the time, Ms McCluskey says. Glasgow? The place has a long history of violence! It’d never stop.

McCluskey was incensed. So she set about to change things. Violence was a disease that had infected Glasgow, she says. A virus, largely driven by young people who had suffered some misfortune, who had never learned empathy and who fell in with people just like them. Authorities needed to treat it like an illness if they were going to change things for the better.

Cops are just the people who stabilise the patient – and while great policing is key, they alone couldn’t stop the “recreational violence”. And local education and health professionals, who spent too much time with disaffected youth, were looking for solutions too.

They set out planning a ten-year strategic plan to tamp down the violence. McCluskey and a similarly passionate colleague spearheaded a Violence Prevention Unit with the local police in 2005. Her program mixed a combination of tough policing and comprehensive preventative measures.

When police see young people breaking the law their parents don’t just get a warning—the youth can have their front door broken down and be hauled to the station.

Professionals young people deal with all the time have had a key role to play in preventing further violence. Troubled students going off the rails can be picked out by teachers, she said. A GP can tell if you’ve been beaten. A dentist if you’ve been punched in the face. They can all make a difference. “We need to use every teachable moment,” she told The Punch.

In 2008, local gangs were bussed into a huge meeting. You can imagine it was raucous at the beginning. They were addressed by the local police chief, who said enough was enough. Then a surgeon who told the youth how he preferred to spend his time fixing baby’s cleft palates, not the faces of beaten young men. Then a mum of a victim. “No matter how bad they are, they love their mums,” Ms McCluskey said.

It was an opportunity for many young people to change. Most had never had a chance to change from where they were born or what gang they were in or school they went to in their lives.

Some did. Some went to prison instead.

Since McCluskey’s unit started tackling the problem, there have been some startling changes in Glasgow.

Violent crime was down 49.2 per cent between 2009 and 2011. The murder rate, halved. People are calling the cops because their dogs are fighting, not because people are fighting on the street. McCluskey’s unit has gone national.

Glasgow’s results came about because of big investments. And Glasgow’s problems aren’t Australia’s by any means. It’s doubtful that many of the one-punch criminals are in gangs, for instance. But there are similarities. Our authorities could have a comprehensive approach to recreational violence. To save future Thomas Kellys and Matthew Stanleys and the ongoing list of victims, living and dead, every weekend.

But wouldn’t it be great if some of those tough-talking politicians, the premiers and prime ministers who have gotten on board Real Heroes Walk Away, put their money where their mouth is and introduced their own ten-year plans? We’re never going to stop all the boofheads, but we could stop a lot of them.

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    • Face it says:

      06:17am | 09/08/12

      “Her program mixed a combination of tough policing and comprehensive preventative measures.

      When police see young people breaking the law their parents don’t just get a warning—the youth can have their front door broken down and be hauled to the station.”

      Never happen in this country too many do-gooders promoting the rights of criminals over victims.

    • Just saying says:

      08:08am | 09/08/12

      A singaporean friend described their system. Some good points:

      1. Corporal punishment. Public caning is humilitating and painful. It provides an excellent aversive stimulus. The crime and the punishment are intimately linked in the mind of the offender. To achieve this it needs to be carried out as quickly as possibly after the crime is committed. Justice is seen to be done by all.

      2. Offenders have to make full financial restitution to the victims of their crimes. If they cannot pay the restitution is made by their labour and each hour must be signed off.

      Not sure if these would work here. There needs to be a public debate. Perhaps we can compare and contrast with the effectiveness the approaches we have recently employed in Sydney and Melbourne?

    • The Razor says:

      08:37am | 09/08/12

      Just saying ,,,,,, What you are saying here is a real good deterrent, to make the crims and the anti-social face the consequences of their action. The only problem is the bleeding hearts, the Greens and weak gutless politicians will never let it happen to the over protected crims. With a weak leader like Barry O’Farrell just giving constant lip service, and supporting the Left wing whimp Att-General Greg ” Greenie ” Smith, who really seems to have O’Farrell under control, we will always have the out of control violence we have now. This majority government in NSW has become arrogant, but don’t expect the Labor opposition to be any better, the low life politicians we have to choose from these days are pathetic !

    • Martin says:

      08:51am | 09/08/12

      @Just saying

      With all due respect, enough public debate. Concerned, helpless, well-meaning citizens wringing their hands crying “how do we fix this ?” while damaged victims and families watch on in frustration. Debates go round in circles and nothing is achieved. It’s gone beyond that point.

      Stop talking and start doing. Change the laws. Pour taxes into law enforcement resources and come down hard on scum. Your Singaporean friend describes a harsh but effective system.

    • M says:

      09:20am | 09/08/12

      We might try enforcing our existing laws before we go down the route of corporal punishment. But if that fails then I’m all over public whippings and the like. Stocks and rotten fruit should also have never gone out of fashion.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:53am | 09/08/12

      Nanny with a whip?

    • Borderer says:

      12:27pm | 09/08/12

      My solution was always about education and financial punishment.

      First, education, victims of violence as well as their antagonist need to participate in school based education programs. Seeing a dude in a wheel chair and a guy who’s spending time in prison, particularly if he gives his talk while in shackles can be pretty hard hitting (metaphorically speaking).

      Anti social behaviour should have substantial fines attached, not a couple of hundred dollars, but a couple of grand. You go out and act like a goose, you get arrested, they fine you four grand and your spending cash evaporates, they garnish your wage or sieze your property, your boss knows, your missus is ragging you because you can’t afford to go to Bali, so you think twice before gobbing off and starting trouble. The task of debt collection should be transferrable to the tax office, they aleady have investigators, their department should be expanded to cover all fine evasion, I’ve never the sense in replicating duties accross state and federal governments.

    • M says:

      01:43pm | 09/08/12

      The financial thing has merit.

    • Jack says:

      02:49pm | 09/08/12

      @Martin what ‘laws’ do we need to change? Make assault a crime?!

      That’s what you Lawn Order types just don’t get. The punishment isn’t a deterrent unless the offender is actively considering it when deciding on his actions. And the drunk footyhead isn’t actively considering a damn thing beyond ‘THAT DUDE TOTALLY LOOKED AT ME LIKE A GAY’

    • Silly Fred says:

      07:35am | 09/08/12

      You want crime to decrease, punish the shit out of criminals. No excuses, none of the rehab crap. Pure hardcore punishment that detroys the criminals mind and body.

    • barry from adelaide says:

      08:40am | 09/08/12

      You have chosen your name well, Silly Fred.

    • acotrel says:

      05:41am | 10/08/12

      ’ and as king-hit violence leaves young men clinging to life around Australia every weekend’

      How many ? ? ?  What are you pushing for - a return of the death penalty ?
        When solving a problem, we should always look for the root cause.  Alcohol enhances the emotions, it does not cause violence unless the aggressiveness is in the drinker already.  I suggest their is widespread negativity, and psychological depression amongst our youth, and there are no other outlets for their emotions. I suggest the media must take some of the blame for generating frustration to sell newspapers and get ratings.

    • Mahhrat says:

      08:40am | 09/08/12

      I love this and we should do it here.

      Fantastic education, fantastic support to show everyone where the line is.  Then, hard-core policing OF THAT LINE.

      The problem in Australia is we keep moving the line.  Every year, someone creeps across it just a touch, then withdraws and plays victim, and like idiots we move the line just that little further back.

      The really stupid thing is, the laws we have here are actually pretty good from everything I’ve seen.  If we simply enforced what we have, I reckon we’d do okay.

    • Jason Helton says:

      09:02am | 09/08/12

      Much better than shutting down a major city after 9 pm It wont work here though. It would require the police to do their jobs

    • joseph Logan says:

      09:18am | 09/08/12

      “Alcohol-related violence” is easily stopped. We have laws in place, and I repeat we have laws in place. If Judges and Magistrates would simply do their jobs and if police were allowed and encouraged to arrest, there would be little violence. 20 minutes in King Street last weekend proved my points conclusively.Bartenders serving “intoxicated persons”, so called “illegal drugs” being sold freely, woman punching another and not being arrested.

    • Steve says:

      09:25am | 09/08/12

      +1

      We expect so little accountability from our fellow citizens, we grasp around for something else to be to blame for their actions - like video games, helicopter parenting, energy drinks, twittering, etc, etc, etc.

    • Nyani says:

      09:28am | 09/08/12

      Could not agree more drag the irresponsible parents in & give them the Singaporean treatment would be a start, (for drag) read breakdown the front door!
      The administration of this justice to be done in the City Squares of the nation, as in the stocks of old.
      All bleeding hearts be silenced by media cooperation in not reporting their bleating & any public demonstration toward their defence of this behaviour be met with like treatment to the offenders.

    • iansand says:

      09:49am | 09/08/12

      Work out what works and do it.  Commit to it, and stay committed.

      What works is unlikely to solely be increased draconian punishment, and is unlikely to be only social programmes replacing punishment , but some combination.  Both approaches have their place, depending on individual circumstances.  With the emphasis on individual.  However that emphasis is expensive upfront but it will only pay dividends after a decade or so.  Our political attention spans are not long enough that anything taking a decade is likely to occur.

      However I am reasonably sure that most people advocating severe punishment of offenders as the sole answer have any idea what they are on about.

    • My Name says:

      10:04am | 09/08/12

      This is the world all you PC lefties demanded.  The consequences are yours.  You can’t walk down the street now.  I hope you are happy.

    • Rose says:

      10:38am | 09/08/12

      Actually it’s not, there has never been the approach advocated by the majority of ‘lefties’ even tried in the mainstream. What is necessary, and backed up by research, are measures to break the cycle, improved education and training, improved mental health support, improved employment opportunities and strong enforcement of appropriate laws with appropriate sentencing.
      The problems we have now are caused by governments continually chopping and changing the goal posts, programs just start to get going and then funds are removed, different political influences change the objectives. We force people onto stupid programs like Work for the Dole, which have no real employment or training outcomes instead of getting them into legitimate training programs, so in effect we are forcing people to participate in a program which in most cases lessens their employability instead of increasing it, all to appease the hardliners like you who think that punishment is always the answer. The other problem is that people get caught up in the ‘fluffy’ side of social programs without putting the whole plan into action, Most good programs have an expectation placed on the client that requires their commitment to achieving change, but they also have an expectation on the organization that if followed through, their program will achieve it’s stated outcomes for the huge majority of participants.
      I actually blame the hard-liners like you who have made it so that proper social programs are not adopted because of perceived softness, when in fact they have the potential to really have a big impact on individuals, families and communities.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:57am | 09/08/12

      Does that include all of the good things as well? Or does all the credit for that got to the “righties”.

      P.S. I’m happy. You?

    • My Name says:

      12:05pm | 09/08/12

      In case it didn’t go through the first time:

      When you become the victim of a crime, take the offender home, feed them, cloth them and provide them all the opportunity you feel they richly deserve.

      Not that you would ever open your eyes - criminals don’t want to be educated, otherwise they would be, criminals don’t want training otherwise they would undertake it themselves, criminals don’t want employment otherwise they would be employed.  They pursue criminality because it’s the easiest option.

      Spoken like a true lefty.

      You believe in make believe.

      You proved my point entirely.

    • Rose says:

      12:31pm | 09/08/12

      Sorry, but you’re wrong and you missed the whole point.  And by the way, I took one home, looked after him and helped him get himself sorted, he is now earning big money in the mines and doing extremely well for himself.
      The best way to deal with the whole thing is prevention, ensuring that people have an alternative future mapped out. The reasons some of these kids don’t appear to give a crap about the future is that they don’t see that they have one. If you give them a genuine chance a lot of them will jump at it.
      Your ignorance is as big a part of the problem as their ignorance, try reading the studies, looking at the analysis’ of successful programs, they all start with education and training, personal commitment and accountability. None of them do what you do and give up before they try!

    • Rose says:

      12:31pm | 09/08/12

      Sorry, but you’re wrong and you missed the whole point.  And by the way, I took one home, looked after him and helped him get himself sorted, he is now earning big money in the mines and doing extremely well for himself.
      The best way to deal with the whole thing is prevention, ensuring that people have an alternative future mapped out. The reasons some of these kids don’t appear to give a crap about the future is that they don’t see that they have one. If you give them a genuine chance a lot of them will jump at it.
      Your ignorance is as big a part of the problem as their ignorance, try reading the studies, looking at the analysis’ of successful programs, they all start with education and training, personal commitment and accountability. None of them do what you do and give up before they try!

    • Andye says:

      03:08pm | 09/08/12

      @My Name - Who are the “PC lefties”? I am a lefty and I would have no issue with the policing in the article. I dont think any of my lefty mates would either.

      If you talked to a bunch of actual lefties you would probably be totally confused when they didnt all spout the ridiculous opinions you attribute to them.

    • Tchom says:

      04:20pm | 09/08/12

      Stalin was a lefty, and he loved policing.

      Glad you’re off the streets.

    • Barney says:

      10:07am | 09/08/12

      Sounds as though The Razor might have some anger management
      issues himself .

    • Rose says:

      10:16am | 09/08/12

      Publicly beating offenders will do nothing to quell the violence, if anything it will exacerbate it, reinforcing the us vs them mentality that many have already. The Glasgow solution is obviously a very effective program and it makes far more sense that the bully boys who think the answer to everything is a good old fashion whipping.
      I would extend the solution further though. In areas where there is a youth violence problem there is almost always going to e a problem with poverty and unemployment. Get rid of Work for the Dole, it doesn’t do anybody any good, and replace it with genuine work training programs, programs kids walk away from with real, marketable skills. Increase education about violence and punishment and then get the courts on board to impose appropriate penalties, which may or may not include prison. Make people responsible for repairing any damage they cause, either directly or by imposing strict community service orders that have to be served and can’t be paid out or pleaded out. it may mean that an offender spends all week at work or training and has to give up one or both days of the weekend working to make reparation. Make sure schools are offering significant skills based training to those students who don’t want to pursue further study and make sure school facilities are up to scratch so that kids can be taught the stuff they need to know.
      It’s a fair call to impose heavy penalties on those that break the law, but the big stick also needs a big carrot, these kids need to know that there is an alternative to the life that they see around them and that it is achievable. It is a far cheaper and more effective solution to what’s currently being done.

    • M says:

      10:49am | 09/08/12

      That’s too much common sense Rose, it’ll never catch on.

    • Ridge says:

      12:25pm | 09/08/12

      Good point on the carrot analogy.  I think a pretty huge one would be encouraging attractive girls to value male thinkers, achievers, providers and protectors instead of spreading their legs for alpha thugs.

    • Rose says:

      01:07pm | 09/08/12

      Interesting turn of phrase but you have a point. If girls are brought up with self respect, a healthy dose of ambition and self esteem not so many would fall for the bad boys who may be fun for the first five minutes but who will screw them over before the day is through. If boys are brought up with less emphasis on the alpha male crap maybe more of them will become thinkers, providers and protectors.
      Less Rhihanna and Chris Brown and more Pink and Ed Sheerin! .

    • M says:

      01:41pm | 09/08/12

      Now you guys are just being silly. Biology doesn’t bend over backwards for fuzzy ideaology.

    • Ridge says:

      02:21pm | 09/08/12

      Raise children of both sex better = yes.  Keeping families together with help that immeasurably.

      Raise girls with even more esteem than they currently have?  More Pink? Oh god no.

    • Ridge says:

      02:29pm | 09/08/12

      @M

      Oh I agree, conditionally, as Roissy once quipped “Ignore human nature at your peril”.  However, that’s why societal controls were in place - nothing destroys a society sooner than humans acting on every desire without control.

    • M says:

      02:41pm | 09/08/12

      Roissy is correct about the seductive arts, but as far as male/female roles go he’s a backwards republican stuck in a 1950’s mindset.

    • Rose says:

      02:47pm | 09/08/12

      Girls generally have quite low self esteem, what they do have is unrealistic expectations. The girls that look like they’re flaunting it and talking the talk are usually just scared little children, just like the guys down the pub talking themselves up and spending hours bulking up the muscle, trying to create an alter ego that’s bigger and stronger than they really feel.
      And yes Pink!  Who would you prefer, Madonna?

    • M says:

      03:14pm | 09/08/12

      Lol at girls and low self esteem. If my experience is anything to go by it’s the exact opposite.

    • Lou says:

      05:30pm | 09/08/12

      I have worked for 7 years in diversionary training program for at risk youth. Unless you inject the funds into early prevention and intervention by the time they are coming into our programs you are dealing with disenfranchised people angry at the world and at times not willing or able to work at improving their futures. At some point people need to take responsibility for their actions and no amount of training can do that. The reality is some of these kids are too far gone by the time they are getting help. Parents need to be made accountable for their inactions. We consistently talk about the rights of the parents but the reality is the rights of the child should be paramout. Our agencies have fogotten about this and we are now suffering the consequences of policies developed years ago and inaction.We shouldnt be provided training and support to a 17 yr old violent offender we should be forcing preventative measures and strong intervention programs on inactive parents so we dont end up with angry youth.

    • Ridge says:

      12:00pm | 09/08/12

      It’s about time people realised that men are by and far, the greatest victims of violence.

      Hell, maybe we could have a coloured ribbon day to raise awareness for it!

      However you look at it, our system has failed.  It’s still better than some places, such as Africa, but we could do a lot better.  Sounds like we’d do well to follow other established models of reducing violence - that actually work.

    • Criminologist says:

      12:07pm | 09/08/12

      Here’s a thought…

      Criminal behaviour hasn’t changed.  The authorities have become more adept at concealing true crime figures.  It’s happened in three States of Australia in the last ten years.

    • Joel says:

      12:23pm | 09/08/12

      Criminal behavior can’t change.

    • Joel says:

      12:23pm | 09/08/12

      Criminal behavior can’t change.

    • Nyani says:

      01:34pm | 09/08/12

      Rose bleats on regarding abolition of ” Work for the Dole”.
      Left of left has to make that free, stay home little loafer we will take care of you with State Funds (DOLE) compliments of the hard working tax payer!
      Just stay in bed & smoke your nombie dope! Then come out in the dark & wreak havoc on the streets.

    • Nyani says:

      01:34pm | 09/08/12

      Rose bleats on regarding abolition of ” Work for the Dole”.
      Left of left has to make that free, stay home little loafer we will take care of you with State Funds (DOLE) compliments of the hard working tax payer!
      Just stay in bed & smoke your nombie dope! Then come out in the dark & wreak havoc on the streets.

    • Rose says:

      02:25pm | 09/08/12

      FFS can you read? I said to get rid of Work for the Dole and replace it with programs that offer training, nothing at all about letting them stay home. What is it about people like you who only pick the bits out that you think you can attack without reading the whole thing. Are you so blinded by ignorance and hatred that you refuse to entertain the idea that there are better ways of doing things than the way that has been tried for decades and proven to be an abject failure. You are a prime example of why the right is so out of touch with reality, you think you have all the answers without even understanding the original problem.
      If there’s any havoc wreaking it will be the fault of those like you who refuse to take their blinkers off and look for real solutions.

    • Bitten says:

      02:22pm | 09/08/12

      “Her program mixed a combination of tough policing and comprehensive preventative measures.”

      It sounds great and it’s fantastic that they have seen an improvement. Personally though, I don’t see the Glasgow method working in this country. Australia has a culture of excusing bad behaviour.

    • bananabender says:

      05:50pm | 09/08/12

      The changes are more likely due to the rapid gentrification of Glasgow over the last decade or so than any policing initiative.

    • Tango says:

      06:13pm | 09/08/12

      The punishment must fit the crime. If someone inflicts pain on someone else, they receive the equivalent level of pain. If someone ruins someone else’s life by bashing them, their lives are also ruined. Instead, they get to spend a few months in a cushy detention centre or prison where they learn how to be even more effective at their craft.

      Peer pressure also works. If you can reform one thug who has the ear of his mates or who a ‘role model’, some of this mates just might pay attention. Some won’t, but some will.

      I know of a program in England where a guy who used to be a thug now runs a youth centre where he spends a fair bit of his time talking about his experiences, what he did to his victims and what he did to turn things around. In that particular area, it seems to have had a significant impact on reducing street and pub violence. 

      Police showing zero tolerance is certainly a good start. Local police and government agencies need to start paying attention to what works in other countries.

    • RonaldR says:

      07:43pm | 09/08/12

      forward this email to your local member of State Parliament and your council and Lord mayor

    • Last man standing says:

      10:02pm | 09/08/12

      If its not working, change, if that doesnt work, change. Australia is not changing laws fast enough to find a solution

      Keep in mind Glasgow has a rather large heroin addiction. 

      Australia has high amphetamine/stimulant usage.  While many users are harmless, the same dickheads that cant handle their piss go out and cowardly ruin someone elses night with king hits from behind etc.  On the psycoactive drugs thugs are oblivious to their outcomes.

      The amphetamine usage is rarely mentioned in the media

      PS. Our community service is a joke, almost a token effort

      Go to the Singaporean solution and watch how fast dickheads pull their heads in

 

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