It’s fairly clear to anyone who watched Kevin Rudd on the ABC’s Q & A this week that a group of young Australians very succinctly exposed the shallowness and symbolism that underpins much of Labor’s “policy” argument. 

Kevin Rudd gets caned by students on ABC's Q & A. Picture: supplied.

These young people displayed a healthy scepticism and an ability to see through polly-speak that many of our national journalists could learn a thing or two from. Indeed, in the aftermath, some journalists seem almost shocked by Rudd’s inability to clearly answer a question which isn’t scripted and for which he has not been briefed. 

(Despite the embarrassing prelude of the “Ask the PM” Sunrise questions, which saw Rudd floundering.)

I’m sure host Tony Jones didn’t expect the format, which deviated from the normally combative model of a panel allowing differing opinions, to produce such a clearly uncomfortable and less-than-flattering experience for the once-golden boy.

But despite all the exposure of the Q & A grilling, there was another decision this week which really laid bare the extent to which Labor has plumbed the depths of shallowness and symbolism.

I am talking about Climate Change Minister Penny Wong’s rejection of a feral camel cull, simply because it won’t earn her brownie points in the Kyoto tally.

Yes, because only domestic and not feral camels are included when calculating a nation’s carbon footprint, then these carbon-producing monsters are free to continue to emit unchecked.

And emit they do.  Apparently, culling Australia’s 1 million feral camel population would be equivalent to taking some 300,000 cars of our roads.

If Labor were serious about the environment and reducing carbon, surely a cull would be a sensible proposal?  If it’s really about environmental outcomes, then why would they reject such a practical step out of hand? 

Because it’s all about symbolism.  If it doesn’t earn us Kyoto-credit, it’s not done.  Forget about whether it will benefit the environment. 

So much for Rudd’s “greatest moral challenge of our time”.  Apparently we only need to be “moral” if the world is watching us and if we get recognition for our actions.

Perhaps even more telling has been the deafening silence from dark-green environmental activists and organisations that continually lecture about the evil of cars and for whom the removal of 300,000 cars from Australian roads would be the ultimate dream-come-true.

We are talking about the exact same environmental outcome here guys, where are your voices of outrage?  Where are your calls for action?  OK, I’d settle for even just a small press release pointing out the environmental hypocrisy of Labor’s decision to turn a blind eye to a carbon emitting problem that’s within their realm to fix.

Nothing. Not a peep.

Come on all you dark green warriors out there – if it really is about environmental outcomes, you can’t allow such blatantly hollow political decisions to go unchecked. 

It’s clear from Rudd’s Q & A experience that young Australians are beginning to call-out such hypocrisy and expose the absurdity of shallow political decisions like this.  They’re wary of empty rhetoric and sceptical of broken promises.

And they sure as hell know that environmental decisions should be made based on practical outcomes – not whether or not they allow the Government to score political brownie-points on international protocols.

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    • Joe says:

      05:05am | 12/02/10

      The young people on Q and A didn’t have any vested interested in Rudd like many in the media who had propped him up and had gotten Rudd there. Just like global warming, most in the media are too embarased to admit the emporer now has no clothes. (Love you work)

    • Sonny says:

      06:18am | 12/02/10

      The minority of us knew back on ‘07 that kevin07 was all style with no substance and in the last year and a half we have seen the pm and his ministers and state buddies continue to not deliver results. If talking about things without any results was an olympic sport then this government would be a platinum/gold winning team.

    • Gerard Oosterman says:

      07:12am | 12/02/10

      So when will Mirabella and Liberals learn to resist slanging off at the government.?
      Where is your plan of action on anything Sophie, or are you afraid in doing a ‘Barnaby’ as well?
      http://oosterman.wordpress.com/

    • J says:

      08:41am | 12/02/10

      Probably when KRudd stops blaming the Liberals for his shoddy performance.

    • Jason says:

      09:05am | 12/02/10

      Probably when they stop breaking promises, dropping the ball, spending uncontrollably and making populist decisions rather than being real leaders.  Really, it’s the JOB of the opposition to question government.

      Standard left reply of course is to question the libs on their plans…

      Newflash - the government should be accountable for it’s actions, diverting attention onto the opposition whenever doubt is raised about policy has stopped working and the country is waking up to the ALP spin.  I am (absolutely) not saying any Liberal politician is better, but the focus should be on the government in power, and what they are doing with their authority and our money.

    • Trent Fisher says:

      11:16am | 12/02/10

      That’s the job of the opposition - to oppose & expose the government’s “policy” - and i use that term lightly.

      That is the job of the opposition; unlike the government, who are meant to govern…not ‘slang off’ at the Liberals and blame them for their mistakes.

      -Also atleast Barnaby speaks his mind, his convictions, as opposed to playing popular policy & spinning the truth like Krudd.

    • eye4aneye says:

      12:00pm | 12/02/10

      @ Jason - Agree 100% with all you’ve said.

    • iansand says:

      07:15am | 12/02/10

      How much would a blathering politician cull reduce our carbon footprint?

    • Phil says:

      02:04pm | 12/02/10

      If you just included Kevin, Wayne, Penny, Peter and Linsday I would say a fair bit. The hot air from that lot would warm an igloo.

    • Marion Simpson says:

      08:17am | 12/02/10

      I watched the interview with my husband, we wondered how Kevin would handle all those teenage kids. He did very well I thought. Our kids are bright and sharp minded and come out with some good questions. Kevin Rudd never went into the screaming heap I would have fell into and my husband said “one look at all those young faces” would send him running out the door. Kevin Rudd needs to be on tv more, I am sure he can be light hearted but its a big responsibilty running a country as big as Australia and hes a workaholic

    • Balanced says:

      12:54pm | 12/02/10

      Well said Marion, I watched, and he did well considering he was in a room full of Gen Y’s like my kids. At least he had the guts to do it. I suspect the little girl who do the first whinge about broken promises was well rehearsed by Daddy, who doesn’t vote Labor!

    • BigBob says:

      08:19am | 12/02/10

      You need to concentrate on the constant bunglings of Barnaby. As a finance minister this boy from the bush is a joke. He more suited to running a pig farm than being Finance Minister of Australia

    • Rowdy says:

      09:57am | 12/02/10

      Ummm….. big bob….Barnaby is NOT the finance minister. That would be Lindsay Tanner….in which case your pig farm analogy would be most accurate.

      Attention should be spent on the party that is in power, not the opposition. With voters like you, no wonder the ALP won the election on smoke & mirrors…

    • eye4aneye says:

      11:58am | 12/02/10

      And with Barnaby being a qualified accountant even if he was it would seem his has some qualifications in the field.

    • alison says:

      12:46pm | 12/02/10

      Actually the only Member of Parliament to run and own a pig farm was a Labor Prime Minister he was a arrogant pig who also ran up a massive debt - he also claimed to be the worlds greatest Treasurer - although anyone who paid 24 percent interests can attest we all wish all he did was run a pig farm

    • fluffy says:

      05:24pm | 12/02/10

      @ Alison - Amanda Vanstone also owned a piggery.

    • John A Neve says:

      08:22am | 12/02/10

      I believe there is an old actors saying “never perform with animals or children”. The reason being you are always upstaged.

      Based on her writing, Mirabella would have fared much better than Rudd, after all she is more on a childs level.

    • eye4aneye says:

      12:04pm | 12/02/10

      “Based on her writing, Mirabella would have fared much better than Rudd, after all she is more on a childs level.”

      How so? I think she expressed her opinion eloquently - just because you don’t agree with it you try and demean her (you may have a promising career in politics of either side (though i suspect you lean towards team Rudd).

    • Charles says:

      08:29am | 12/02/10

      The Q&A session was comedy gold, and also showed how exposed the PM and the ALP are when it comes to spin that 16 year olds can see straight through them.

      Hopefully, this will filter through to most of those in the Canberra Press gallery who have managed to avoid any realisation of how pathetic this government is, and buys all its propaganda without even looking like they would put up even the most token resistance.

      The only outcome from this shambles is that the Whitlam government is actually starting to regain some credibility when compared to this lot, and may eventually lose its mantle of being the worst ever government in Australia, a proud and distinguished record which has stood for 35 years now.

    • Dani says:

      08:37am | 12/02/10

      I’m surprised you’re even going to reference the Q&A interview. It may have put K-Rudd to shame, but it’s got to be even more embarrasing for the Opposition. A bunch of kids managed what your whole team of experienced politicians haven’t been able to pull off in the last two years!!

    • Over Rudd-Speak says:

      07:58pm | 13/02/10

      So you’re saying Krudd IS crap? I agree. Can’t wait for an unscripted debate between Abbott and Krudd. KRudd will have to brush up on his ‘Not being such a sh!t PM’ skills.

    • Andy says:

      08:41am | 12/02/10

      His decision to pressure Garrett to rush out his insulation programe as quick as possible so Kevin could show his stimulas measures are “creating jobs” to shut the opposition up and to spruik is certainly shallow. Now we see the consequences of this. I feel sorry for Garrett being hung out to dry by Kevin Rudd. Is this Kevin Rudds idea of action? Kevin Rudd should be the one in the firing line.

    • matt says:

      08:42am | 12/02/10

      Screamin’ Sophie, at it again. It’s just moan, moan moan.

      As vocal as always.

      And as always, not making much sense.

    • eye4aneye says:

      12:13pm | 12/02/10

      It does make sense - was it opinionated? Yes but she presented arguments to back up her opinion and be debated which after all is her job writing here.

      Do I agree with all her opinions? No personally I think if the camels only impact is carbon emmision they have a right to breath and emit away - if they were degrading the soil and threatening other species then I’d reconsider this.

    • persephone says:

      12:37pm | 12/02/10

      eye4aneye

      If you have a read of the article I linked to, you’ll see that damage caused to native flora and fauna is the reason why Fed government funds are being spent on culling feral camels.

      It seems Wong dismissed any suggestion that this had anything to do with climate change, which has been taken by young Soph as meaning that Wong disapproves of culling camels.

    • Elizabeth says:

      08:48am | 12/02/10

      I’m perplexed by this idea that Labor politicians use “pollyspeak” and spin and that Liberals and Nationals don’t. And that Abbott is a straight talker.
      Given your party’s over use of phrases like “great big new tax” and the even sillier “money-go-round” how can you claim to be anything other than using “pollyspeak” and not getting to the substance of the issue?
      Just because there are a few Liberals and Nationals who say stupid things doesn’t mean they’re any more straight talking than their opponents.

    • wake up and smell the manipulation says:

      05:48pm | 12/02/10

      Errr ... “money-go-round” is the best description (apart from tax based on fraud) that I can think of to describe this ETS scam.

    • Just a Human says:

      08:48am | 12/02/10

      So Camels are carbon producing monsters! Taking out the feral population of Camels would be equivalent to taking 300,000 cars of the road? Perhaps we should cull our population of Kangaroos as well, but wait, perhaps we could also include obese politiicions who by virtue of the s##t that they spout continually add to methane levels in the atmosphere. Now there’s an environmental outcome for you Sophie.

    • E says:

      08:52am | 12/02/10

      @iansand : haha good call

      But there is something seriously wrong with our news corporations. They dont seem to be able to do anything except wallow in other peoples tragedy, theyre purely reactionary and their idea of getting the story first is re-typing the press release very fast.

      When was the last time some scandal or corruption was uncovered by investigative journalism? We are a long way from Watergate methinks.

      Our culture is currently dominated by desperate loyalist low to mid (120) IQ cowards and psychopaths trying to ‘keep the game going’ long enough to pay off their mortgages. And thats all that matters to them, that they only hire people who will tow the line and keep quiet about anything which would compromise the ability of the cronies to stay out of prison.

    • Darren says:

      08:54am | 12/02/10

      Well said Sophie - you are incapable of doing your job obviously - why not resign and give it to one of the youths in private school uniform from the other night!

    • eye4aneye says:

      12:18pm | 12/02/10

      Slush fund! Persphone you have uncovered a massive corruption scandle showing the Labor government to be totally corrupt well done.

      Joking by the way - as usual i remain a fan of anyone providing data to back up their point and presenting it logically.

    • persephone says:

      12:50pm | 12/02/10

      Yes, four eyed wonder, secret focus group research has shown that this porkbarrelling is the best way of winning over that crucial demographic, the camel haters.

      Expect to see Abbott respond by hitting a bunny with a mallet on national TV.

    • Jack Thomas says:

      01:44pm | 12/02/10

      So who is the commercial organisation Ninti One Ltd. really receiving the $19m of our taxpayers’ money?

      I know that Ninti One Ltd. is the Board directing the Desert Knowledge Research Centre (DKRC), which happily statesof its Board “one of whom must be Aboriginal. There are 6 other appointed members..and at least two of whom will provide an Aboriginal viewpoint”.

      Not sure why blatant discrimination is required when it comes to flying a helicopter and shooting a big arse camel?

      The DKRC’s own report stated “aboriginal people lack the necessary support and resources ... they lack detailed and accessible information about feral camel management issues, meaning they cannot make fully informed decisions about management options and ways to develop and implement management programs and activities”.

      Instead of actually doing anything, as the DK-CRC website shows, local and interstate consultants, bureaucrats and academics are reporting on matters such as:- 
      • Cross jurisdictional management of feral camels to protect Natural Resource Management and cultural values;
      • a multiple criteria decision support framework;
      • economics of camel control;
      • chemical, biological and fertility control;
      • legislation and regulations;
      • key stakeholder perceptions;
      • how to count camels;
      • integrated national approach to feral camel management involving collaboration and promoting attitudinal changes ...

      According to NT media in November last year “the organisation has spent $93m, in cash and kind, on research projects during its first six year term of funding”. Not one camel shot. Not one.

      How about our $93m they spent in 5 years?? Their 2007/08 annual report stated between 2003/04 and 2007/08 DK CRC received in-kind services (presumably mostly publicly funded ones) worth $41m, as well as $26m in cash (another $26million short there too…).

      A spokesman for the NT Department of Primary Production in November 2009 said “the Desert Knowledge Cooperative Research Centre (DK-CRC) has received $15m from the Federal Government to find a solution”. He said “DK-CRC are the people with the money. Everyone is waiting for them to come up with a plan…”

      In 2009 Rudd’s own Government refused funding to DK-CRC for a second term who then advised it would be wound up on June 30 2010. In November, a bid was being made to create another research entity and to get public funding for it. To quote their MD, “there are efforts to help Ninti One Ltd, a company established by DK-CRC, to survive…”

      Sheesh, either $4million of taxpayers’ money has been pocketed already from this scheme alone, or Wong is wrong. What about the other $93million frittered away by these muppets already?

      I smell another massive ATSIC rort scandal and black hole of taxpayers’ money coming on…

    • Jamers Hunter says:

      09:22am | 12/02/10

      take out the feral camels feral pigs and feral goats and more like a million cars of the road. Common Penny get serious for a change.
      Course its more difficult in this day where anyone with a gun is supposed to be a criminal cept the crims ocourse,they can get guns whenever they like, to go weekend hunting and help with the environmental menace.not just the carbon but the destruction of native vegitation and habitat and the soil erosion look at what goats did to the flinders ranges??
      peter garrett come to the plate please.
      as if

    • Cameron says:

      09:23am | 12/02/10

      Sounds like Sophie and Miranda Devine put their heads together on this one. A lot of the questions Rudd got did their questioners no credit at all; they were just downright dumb. I kept on thinking “is that the best they can do?” Rudd was far from outstanding but handled it quite well.

    • Glen says:

      09:32am | 12/02/10

      Not sure what a piece like this actually achieves, other than giving a politician a free chance to play party politics.

    • Jack Thomas says:

      10:51am | 12/02/10

      In case you can’t read out your other eye Geln, Matt, etc. Sophie softkly pointed out to muppets like you what you missed - a jumped up bureaucrat masquerading as a leader, a gray cardigan policy nerd getting spanked by a bunch of school prefects.

      It was a disaster and Kevin would have given his spotty faced sidekick a real bollocking afterwards. The stewardess he abused last year would have got off lightly compared to this one.

      It showed again how brittle Kevin Rudd is under the slightest criticism, and how even teenagers’ bulldust detectors are going haywire.


      The girl pointing out one of his many lies and broken election promises, the laptop computers which he padded up by another 100,000.

      The comment that he “preferred evidence based policy” then took a straw poll for effect.

      He got cranky, scolded kids who by rights should be his target audience. It was a watershed moment for anyone who saw the real Kevin some time ago. not quite like Latham’s handshake with John Howard, but possibly a ‘jump the shark’ event.

      The wheels are falling off from too much spin and no action. It’s a wonder he’s not been busted under our Hoon laws for the burnouts he’s doing.

    • Glen says:

      11:16am | 12/02/10

      Huh?

      I’m a muppet because I don’t like giving politicians of either persuasion (I don’t know where you got the one eyed thing from) air space to come and sprout some partisan clap-trap? 

      She sure seems to have hit her target audience with you though. 

      Is it not possible to comment here from outside a fimly entrenched bunker of one of the parties?

    • Jack Thomas says:

      12:58pm | 12/02/10

      Point taken Glen, I’ll assume you just started reading The Punch.

      Must have confused you with the rest of the typical mindless lowlife Leftard scum here, like Labor MP Belinda Neal who when she is not embezzling her own party or abusing wait staff, falsifying Stat Decs and misleading parliament, she is abusing a pregnant Sophie Mirabella in parliament (“demon child”?).

      If not, then I can’t understand why you should make this point here and not the same for the hundreds of pollies who have been published here in the past year?

      There’s even an article today by Labor’s loan shark, “fundraiser” and all round money man, Labor Senator Mark Arbib?

    • fluffy says:

      01:25pm | 12/02/10

      “point taken, ill assume..”

      is that a typical oneyed mindless rightwing type apology for being an immature bombastic, loud mouth is it?

      */note to self, if any comments can be in anyway slightly supportive of any other party other than the liberal/national coalition - prepare for a barrage of abuse from whacko jacko..

    • Jack Thomas says:

      02:21pm | 12/02/10

      Back on the chain fluffy, best you don’t get too riled up or you’ll spill your chai latte dear.

      Thanks for your input though, briliant. Surely you could have added some emoticons smile to bolster credibility?

      So the point that you can harp on about this piece being biased Liberal stuff is ok then, then glibly show your ignorance about the other side of the coin?

      Have you even read the point I made that a pollie publishes here everyday so I’m being kind when I point out that it’s a schoolboy error for Glen to suggest this is political spin, when clearly he hasn’t seen or made the same comment from the many and various Green and Labor pollies?

      No wonder you call yourself fluffy.

    • Flen says:

      02:21pm | 12/02/10

      @Jack Thomas

      Have only started reading daily recently, but have browsed for a while now.  My issue with this particular piece is that it’s not really on any topic, other than an excuse to attack the other side.

      At least the pollies normally have some sort of pre-tense of an issue to discuss before sticking the boots in.

    • fluffy says:

      04:31pm | 12/02/10

      @ tugger thomas - just leave it alone chump, it’ll grow by itself.  smile smile smile smile smile smile smile

    • Amber says:

      09:48am | 12/02/10

      Obviously Rudd never watched ‘‘Frasier’’ where the same thing happened to him on radio -  hung out to dry by three feral teenagers.
      I don’t know why anyone was surprised to see Rudd upstaged by the savvy young generation that more so than ever, knows EVERYTHING!  Have you ever won an argument with a teen?

    • Ben J says:

      09:58am | 12/02/10

      In my opinion Sophie Mirabella should firstly go on Q & A herself in exactly the same circumstances that Kevin Rudd was in. Secondly she should then write an article on her experience. Then we’ll see how much polly speak she indulges in.

      In fact every minister of the current federal government and every shadow minister of the opposition should do exactly the same at least twice a year.

    • N says:

      10:30am | 12/02/10

      Sophie, I’m a little dismayed that a group of young people with very little political background or “intelligence” in the area, were able to pick the PM to pieces in an hour of debate, yet the opposition party has been unable to do so over the past few years. Please, for the sake of this country get your parties act together and get rid of Klown Kevin and his circus of underachieving misfits.

    • Harquebus says:

      10:52am | 12/02/10

      In parliament, the government has a speaker which allows ministers to not answer the questions asked but instead, waffle on about anything they like.

    • eye4aneye says:

      12:21pm | 12/02/10

      Harquebus says:11:52am | 12/02/10

      In parliament, the government has a speaker which allows ministers to not answer the questions asked but instead, waffle on about anything they like.

      - Otherwise known as adult hide and seek

    • Tom says:

      10:49am | 12/02/10

      Considering Rudd’s approval rating among 18-25 year olds is around 70%, I think you are overestimating my generation’s ability to see through spin.

    • Helena B says:

      10:54am | 12/02/10

      I am voting Laboor they have only been in office for 2 years and have done a good job so far. As a small business owner, I am releived we sailed through The Global Crisis so well, I have friends in Great Britan and America who did not fare so well. The internet give you the advantage of talking to others from around the world and once you do, you realise how lucky we are. Also I believe if Liberal are returned they will bring “Workchoice” or a form of it back and I for one do not want to go through another period of my employee’s taking time off to march against it. I lose money and so do they, and my customers are inconvenienced

    • STOP THE ETS says:

      09:46pm | 12/02/10

      Oh really Helena?

      Well The Business Council of Australia don’t agree with you. In fact they represent some 5000 small businesses and are NOT pleased with KRudd forcing his carbon eco fascist ETS on them. So why are you? As a small business you won’t get any compensation for higher power costs and when you pass those costs on to your customers, a great proportion of those won’t get any compensation either.  You and your customers will be much more than inconvenienced - you will be ripped off and poorer by the day.

      And by the way i dislike both major parties - but one things for sure spending other people’s money and then asking them to pay interest on the debt is NOT an example of good fiscal management. And when did the Liberals say they would return workchoices? Link please.

      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/business-losing-faith-in-rudd/story-e6frg8zx-1225829368700

    • SteveB says:

      11:28am | 12/02/10

      “Despite the embarrassing prelude of the “Ask the PM” Sunrise questions, which saw Rudd floundering.”

      Which of course was far more embarrassing than Mr Abbott’s appearance on Today this morning which saw him ironing.

      “It’s clear from Rudd’s Q & A experience that young Australians are beginning to call-out such hypocrisy and expose the absurdity of shallow political decisions like this.  They’re wary of empty rhetoric and sceptical of broken promises.”

      It was pretty clear from the result of the last Federal election that older Australians didn’t accept it from the last Prime Minister either.

      Tell you what Ms Mirabella, come back after Mr Abbott has fronted a similar audience and then we can compare their performances.

      Oh and BTW, I do agree about the need for a massive camel cull, along with the goats, donkey’s, pigs, horses, buffalo, cats, dogs and whatever other now feral animals that are changing our environment and wiping out native species at a speed 10x that which climate change will.

      But that’s not likely to happen for the same reason it didn’t under Mr Howard’s Govt, (your not trying to assert this is a new problem surely) the huge outcry from animal rights agencies and the so called “Doctor’s Wives” groups that inevitably accompany any such plan.

    • PorkPie says:

      12:05pm | 12/02/10

      I am an older Australian and not only do I accept Rudd..i am voting for him and so is everyone I know. Older Aussies have seen this childish attack game before. You need to look beneath the surface and see the country is running well. I got some bad new for Abbott, these days its not only the “little woman” doing the ironing, and in most households they look for drip dry. After working all day and doing the housework , plus cooking meals and minding the kids , who in the hell has got time to iron? Barnaby Joyce is making a laughing stock of himself, he runs for the camera and says anything that comes into his head. He sure likes the media attention, still its a change from poor senile Old Wilson, who seems to have gone quiet of late..wonder if they sedated him

    • welcome to 1984 says:

      05:57pm | 12/02/10

      Mr porkpie,

      I guess you don’t care that by voting for Rudd and the biggest tax in Australia’s history you are condemning the rest of us (younger) Australians to decades and decades of misery? Why don’t you look beneath the surface of this fraud disguised as climate tax disguised as the ETS and investigate what it’s all REALLY about? Rudd is a liar and may as well be openly disclosing that he works for the UN. Now that’s more than an embarrassment - that’s treasonous.

    • Bruce says:

      10:57pm | 12/02/10

      Porkpie. Look beneath the surface? You do not need to do that. Its on the surface, have you checked your superannuation balance lately?  Its nowhere as good as it was 2 years ago. If anyone thinks the economy is going well, then I guess we do not need any tax increases of any kind in the future.

    • GreenFrog says:

      11:33am | 12/02/10

      My Dear!! You have a Finance minister in Barnaby Joyce who can’t add up and it seems to me Tony Abbott has more of an interest in sport and the priesthood. His holier than thou views don’t sit well with lycra so tight that you can see what he had for breakfast. Concentrate on getting your own issues right, this constant attack game is getting very boring. Rudd handled a group of bright Aussie teenagers as well as could be expected. I think he should courage even attempting it.

    • John says:

      11:36am | 12/02/10

      Bring back Turnbull!!!!

    • ssi says:

      08:10pm | 13/02/10

      What on earth for?
      Malcolm ‘goldman sachs’ Turnbull is nothing but a puppet for the banksters.
      Crossing the floor just shows what egomaniac he is.
      Rudd is quite enough ego and narcissism.

    • John Hind says:

      11:53am | 12/02/10

      Any parent of a teen can tell you arguing with them is a scary experience. I think Kevin Rudd handled it admirably under the circumstances. The economy is doing well and thats what interests me. I am wondering what work do you Liberals actually do for our tax dollars that is used to pay your wages? You seem to attack attack attack and have plenty of time to waste dabbling away at your attempts at journalism. If you are paid for writing this, you might want to consider chucking a coupla bux to Old Barnaby and send him back to primary school so he can learn to add up

    • Scot says:

      01:14pm | 12/02/10

      John Hind, Liberals do not need your tax dollars, and we do not need your stupid labor retoric. We pay our own way in life, and do not look for charity. Many have set aside money for their own retirement and Rudd Labor is now trying to steal it.  Rudd is two people and that is scary. His brain is not connected to his mouth. He has not delivered according to his promises some 68 so far broken. The economy is not doing well, it is a mirage.

    • Brad Coward says:

      01:40pm | 12/02/10

      Rudd…more hollow than the chocolate bunnies given to kids at Easter !

    • Adam says:

      01:45pm | 12/02/10

      Maybe Penny should consider culling washed up Liberals? Just an idea.

    • Brad Coward says:

      02:08pm | 12/02/10

      ....or even some Labor ministers who are clearly past their use by date ?

    • Adam says:

      02:21pm | 12/02/10

      Any dinosaurs/underperformers/windbags. I’m not all that fussed.

    • Marie says:

      11:03pm | 12/02/10

      As if any voter did not think Kevin Rudd was a fake, we just though he might not be !!  We are so dumb !!

    • Breathe easy says:

      11:57pm | 12/02/10

      Having handed out a number of how to vote cards in my day, I’m always stunned that the Greens turn up in Combis which are 40 years old, smoke something disgusting, throw their butts or still smoking remains in the gutter, and leave leave their how to votes to fly into the sunset from under the rock they leave them, I agree with Sophie.

 

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