Bob Brown is ever the opportunist, even if his timing leaves a very bad taste in everyone’s mouths.

Photo: Stuart McEvoy.

His recent pronouncement that our coal industry is to blame for the devastation caused by the floods in Queensland, NSW, Victoria and Tasmania is both absurd and insensitive.

All the experts, whatever their views on climate change, agree that the increased rainfalls are driven by the long-established cycles of La Nina weather events, just as El Nino is associated with drought.

No-one in the Coalition is suggesting that additional dams would have prevented the tragic Queensland floods.

The onset of the floods did, however, prompt a renewed resolve from the Coalition to ignore political correctness and to put dams back on the agenda as part of the national water management debate.

Dams are by no means the answer in every instance, but nor should they be automatically excluded purely because of politics.

If you consider Brisbane’s Wivenhoe Dam, built after the 1974 floods, there is consensus that it reduced the peak flood level of the 2011 disaster by about two metres.

ANU dam expert Jamie Pittock says that a “two metre higher flood level would have been much more damaging in terms of Brisbane directly, but also Ipswich.”

While NSW Dam Safety Committee executive engineer Paul Henreichs says the Brisbane floods would have been much worse than 1974 had the dam not been there.

“Without extra dams we are still going to get bigger floods and therefore I think people will suffer more,” he says.

This is no consolation and means little to the thousands of unfortunate Queenslanders affected by this disaster, but it does highlight the point that strategically placed dams have a vital role to play.

Despite the obvious, dams have not seriously been in the mix for two or three decades, largely due to the opposition and influence of green groups.

This was again highlighted when the Coalition recently announced our intention to develop a dam and water management plan over the next 12 months.

What we saw was a predictable negative, knee-jerk reaction from Bob Brown and Julia Gillard, before our work had even started. The fact the Gillard government is beholden to the Greens is a real problem, with base politics guiding its agenda, not common sense and prudence.

The political correctness which has shaped the water management debate in this country in recent decades was starkly illustrated in Victoria under the Brumby government.

At the peak of the drought, Brumby avoided dams like the plague and instead pursued monumentally expensive and impractical solutions such as the Wonthaggi desalination plant and the North South Pipeline.

Desalination plants also require enormous amounts of power to operate and should be an option of last resort, certainly not first choice.

The floods have reemphasised that Australia doesn’t have a problem with the amount of water we have, but with the management of it.

The Coalition opposed the Traveston Crossing Dam for a variety of reasons which have been well documented, and we absolutely stand by that decision. The Bligh government, to its credit, was at least prepared to seriously canvas the option of a new dam, albeit one of unacceptable design and location. 

In the right locations, however, dams are not only effective forms of water storage for general consumption, for food production and for environmental flows, but can also play a part in low-emission power generation and of course flood mitigation.

Other soil conservation measures, including large-scale river levees and more localised landscaping projects also have a proven role in reducing flood flows.

In terms of the Coalition’s work, the consideration of appropriate dams will include looking at all areas of water management, including new technologies and innovations and consulting widely with the scientific and engineering communities, land owners as well land management and environmental groups.

The CSIRO, for example, has done some outstanding work looking at the potential in underground water storage, which could have widespread application.

While naturally occurring underground aquifers can’t hold anywhere near the volume of conventional dams, they are cheaper and can be located closer to the water user.

There is also exciting technology available in the areas of computer-aided river management, irrigation and flood control which we’ll be having a close look at. The Murrumbidgee River project comes to mind.

Utilising this type of technology, in conjunction with dams, enables the more efficient use of water within a system. If you have a stand of red gums that need flooding just once every four years from an environmental perspective, you can do it every four years, preserving water for other purposes.

While Julia Gillard and Bob Brown will no doubt attempt to whip up a scare campaign against our work, we will not be deterred. It is time to put political correctness aside and to overcome our dam phobia.

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    • Peter Oataway, Hay, NSW says:

      05:30am | 27/01/11

      Totally agree about more dams but I also support using engineering solutions such as piping water around this nation avoiding evaporation losses.
      This water should be harvested when it is flooding so it can be used during drought..we are meant to be a modern nation not a stupid one.

    • shane says:

      06:57am | 27/01/11

      The problem I have with politicians from all sides is that you all push your agenda with the hyperbolic rhetoric of a zealot on the topic. That, I could understand if I believed for a second that you either:
      A) Knew what you were talking about on the topic of the moment, whatever it might be, or
      B) Actually believed with any depth of feeling equal to your sanctimonious ranting, the angle you’re pushing.

      You see, I don’t believe the coalitions new found deliverance to the cult of dam building is anything more than a convenient new bat to bludgeon labor with. That, to me, seems like the primary motivation and goal. Dress it up in whatever flowery bull**it you want. Preach about it like a 5am televangelist. The implication being that the entire thing is labors fault, and when it invariable happens again, that will also be labors fault.

      Be honest. labor didn’t build dams, libs didn’t build dams, dam’s in this scenario are nothing more than the latest political weapon to try and score a few polling points.

      And speaking of opportunistic. Your iron man leader dragging the NBN into it seems pretty opportunistic to me. But I’m sure you have some gossamer thing line for that also.

      God I loathe the lot of you. That you and people like you run the world goes a long way to explaining exactly why the planets such a sh*t hole.

    • Mick In The Hills says:

      12:50pm | 27/01/11

      glass half full, mate?

    • Tony says:

      02:20pm | 27/01/11

      Sounds like you are having a real downer. Surely no one could be that miserable all the time. In my experience those who are so uncomfortable with finding fault are also uncomfortable with taking responsibility. Maybe if you took some responsibility for your negative perspective things would change. The planet’s not that bad a place as far as I can see. Certainly better than anywhere else I can think of!

    • Old Bloke says:

      02:45pm | 27/01/11

      You can sit back and spend the rest of your life whingeing or you could perhaps do something to correct the wrongs you see all around you.  In this country you can still do that, you know.

    • JayTee says:

      07:04pm | 27/01/11

      Fascinating. So you loathe the lot of..who, exactly?? The bloke who wrote this isn’t running the world mate. As your post is only the second one here, sounds like you should have stayed in bed. Better for you, better for the rest of us.

    • andrew says:

      11:16pm | 27/01/11

      as with all lefties they hate the human race.

    • TChong says:

      06:57am | 27/01/11

      Well Mr Robb, you had better convince the Nats. They were opposing a dam in qld, werent they? Barnaby might fill you in with the details.
      All those farmers who oppose dams- eliminates good agricultural land, govt requonistioning their land, etc. - they wont like it.
      The fight s not going to be with Bob Browns latte sipping urban greenies, its going to be with the rural and regional land holders - traditionally Nats supporters.
      Go knock yourself out convincing that very conservative group that a dam is necessary on their land. Good luck.

    • Denny Crane says:

      09:14am | 27/01/11

      Yes they opposed Traveston, blind freedie new that spot for a dam was a joke.

      Dams need to be built, and not just to prevent flooding but also assist with agriculture, heaven forbid 2 things the greens hat, this country has been built on the land, and it needs to be supported, us City folk reap benefits so building dams, benefits not just this Australia, but for generations.

      So if a particular frog or tree has too go, bad luck its more important that this country continues to prosper

    • Kika says:

      12:51pm | 27/01/11

      Your never going to make farmers happy. They will winge when there’s flood, fire, drought, and just about anything. They complained about the Mary River being dammed. And the ironic thing is they poisoned the Indigenous people on the Mary River to steal that land in the first place. So how ironic it is if the government decides to ‘steal’ their land off them for the greater good anyway.

    • Of course he's the f'n farmer says:

      01:02pm | 27/01/11

      Kika
      Not only will they whinge, they will whinge with their hand out for taxpayer money.
      Doesn’t matter if it is flood, drought or fire. There they are with their outstretched hand.

    • Mike K says:

      01:11pm | 27/01/11

      The problem with the traveston dam was that it flooded some very productive farming area south of Gympie, and there was also question about the seepage/evaporation of the dam. Rumor says that there was a better spot recommended further south, closer to brisbane for a dam, but that was in a lower dam.

    • Richard says:

      01:11pm | 27/01/11

      Kika, you are delusional. How you came to believe that farmers are “the enemy” bewilders me, but suffice to say that my prediction for the future prosperity of this country rest as squarely on the farmer’s backs even more than on the miner’s backs, as food prices around the world continue to soar and impact devastatingly on the poor. It won’t be long until we are really thankful for our farmers again, you’ll see.

      I am a market-watcher, and the hot topic at the moment is the out-of-control inflation in food prices all around the world, especially in India and China. This is a serious problem, we NEED our farmers, so you had better get over your irrational baseless hatred of farmers now, or you can just starve to death for all I care.

    • Tony says:

      02:24pm | 27/01/11

      What is it with you and logic TChong. Just because dams can be a good idea doesn’t mean that any dam anywhere is automatically acceptable. The Nationals never rejected Traveston on the basis of No Dams. They rejected Traveston because it was poorly situated.  They didn’t object to Wyaralong, proposed at the same time and recently completed. In fact, their rejection of Traveston simply demonstrates they are prepared to consider each dam on its merits. Something that Labor and certainly not the Greens seem able to do.

    • Christian Real says:

      08:40pm | 27/01/11

      Andrew Rob,
      The Liberal and National parties blow around like a weathervane in the wind,seeking out which direction to aim their cheap, political pointscoring towards.
      All of a sudden, the Liberals have became ‘Dam’ friendly,and they are all getting warm and fuzzy and now suddenly call for more dams to be built.
      It wasn’t so long ago,around the 2007 Federal Election that the now, National party Leader, warren Truss blatantly opposed building the Traveston Dam in Queensland.
      Andrew Rob, your mob may fool some of the more gullible people, but your sudden concern for more dams being built is just plain hollow and shallow, political point scoring.

    • NPJ says:

      04:48pm | 04/03/11

      You’ve got to be absolutely kidding Mr. TChong. The best catchments in the country have all been made national parks/legislated off-limits; this was the evironmentalist/greens movement, NOT the farmers or rural interests.

      Perfect example is the cancellation of the Mitchell River dam at Tabberabba in the 70’s; all because of the Tasmanian ‘We hate dams’ Greenie movement. I believe the area is now part of a national park. If that dam had been built, along with the other canceled projects, Victoria would not have its water management problems in the present day and we would not have needed to build these inefficient and expensive pipelines and desal plants.

      That is the cost of short-sighted, touchy-feeling, faith-based ideas.

      Oh and Kika you could not be anymore full of it. Its the city folk who whinge, complain and generally want to control people, just so they can preserve their NIMBY slice of suburban paradise (and this is coming from a person who grew up in the suburbs). The only time I see farmers complaining is when idiot suburbanites, who know nothing of self-sufficiency and producing, do their best to crush liberty and suppress property rights with their re-invented Green Marxism. Their collectivist policies is what pisses farmers off, who just to be left alone so they can get the job done. I can see you have no problem with idea of ‘the greater good’ [one of the most evil ideas man has ever conceived].

      Ironic though, because the cities don’t produce our food crops, there is a parasitic relationship between the cities and country areas; the country produces and the cities consume.

    • Tom says:

      10:50am | 27/01/11

      @kerry, “if the dam is full of stored water it cannot catch a flood,”.Either ANU dam expert Jamie Pittock is just a smart arse or you are not quoting him fully.

      The trick is to always retain spare capacity. The trick then becomes to let out some more water before the dam really starts to fill up.

      There is a good degree of science behind the prediction of rainfall and the effect of recent rain on a catchment so we are not talking about rocket science.

      As the authour said, a dam may not prevent flooding in a deluge but it will help mitigate the disaster. The author even quoted the 1974 experience where the dam reduced the 1974 flood by two metres.

      What is it about you green zealots that you have to bog down every sensible solution with a smart arse retort? Is it all about a power agenda whereby no-one can blow their nose without worrying what the greens think? Is that what you lot are after?

    • Tony says:

      02:29pm | 27/01/11

      Both of you (Kerru and Tom) are wide of the mark. How does the ANU expert in anyway say that the coalitions consideration of more dams is “not smart”? On the other hand, few dams are built with sufficient capacity to effectively mitigate floods. Wivenhoe is one of the exceptions. But even with its enormous reserve capacity it still ends up having to release water and then the operators get blamed for causing flooding.

    • ausebell says:

      07:32am | 27/01/11

      It seems incredulous that a country as vast as Australia, does not have any ongoing construction of dams. But, we do have the greens!

      These stats have been taken from the latest edition of “Hydro Power & Dams”  which lists dams that are being currently constructed around the world that are in excess of 60 metres or more.

      VIETNAM -  24 Dams
      GREECE and they’re nearly broke - 5 Dams
      CHINA -  60
      IRAN -  47
      TURKEY -  18
      INDIA -  10
      BRAZIL -  10
      MOROCCO -  9
      JAPAN -  24
      BURMA - 11
      AUSTRALIA   -  1

      With proper planning and management - and I believe this needs to be a department which cannot change when the government changes - so that the work can continue without political interference - we could feed Australia and the world! 

      Most Australians are sick and tied of being held ransom to the greens and their idiotic policies. They are dangerous! Their policies - and now we have the added baggage of the labor party - have almost brought this great nation to her knees. Just look at our farmers; look at the bushfires in both Victoria and Canberra; look at the floods in 4 states. Green policies that have wrecked havoc and death upon this great nation!  Not to mention a looming carbon tax!! 

      Water is a precious commodity. Once built, the water flowing from them should be available “free” to all Australians. It is our hard earned tax money that will pay for them. The water should not be placed in a water market to be bought by the Chinese or the likes of Bill Gates or anyone with money. This water is for Australians and its future generations!

    • Peter Oataway, Hay, NSW says:

      08:28am | 27/01/11

      The Greens would be more credible if they didn’t just oppose all dams. Most of their supporters do drink water, eat food, use electricity and live in dry houses

    • Mitch says:

      11:20am | 27/01/11

      Probably has to do with the fact that 1) Australia has a low density, even on the populated east coast 2) Australia is exceptionally flat, especially outside of the Great Dividing Range and 3) hight isn’t a direct indication of how much water a dam holds.

      But it’s all the Greens fault.

    • AdamC says:

      12:05pm | 27/01/11

      Wait, we’re actually building a dam!?

      I’m shocked.

    • Peter Oataway, Hay, NSW says:

      12:07pm | 27/01/11

      @Mitch ...Nathan Dam project is in a steep ravene, Barrackdale Choke north of St George is where the normal cause of the river is in a high banked area. And it is only sea level near the coast..your point being ??

    • Feathers says:

      12:27pm | 29/01/11

      Too right !!! I am sick and tired of hearing the word Greens and seeing their ‘stupid & arrogant’ faces.  They have no brains, they have no intelligence whatsoever, they have no ideas that are the least bit understandable to the intelligent people of Aust and are a gang of morons trying to push their short-sighted & ridiculous agenda of a NWO.  But wait,  let’s hope they suffer in the process.  Why don’t they grow up, look at the real world, show some respect for intelligence or just nick off !!

    • Gregg says:

      07:33am | 27/01/11

      Whilst I have no objection to more dams, especially if they have water in them, that’s where the homework needs to start in as far as where should they be located and then obviously the geology needs to be appropriate too.

      If you have a series of smaller dams rather than the mega dams, it may be that they can be kept deeper and narrower to limit evaporation losses and an interconnecting water grid to give you the greater storage capacity needed.
      As for going underground and restricting Brisbane flooding, I’m still with having a flood bypass tunnel from a weir downstream from Wivenhoe to exit down near the Brisbane river entry into Moreton Bay.

    • Tony says:

      02:36pm | 27/01/11

      Gregg, after considering the volumes of water that flowed down the Brisbane River in the recent flood, could you give us some idea of how big that ‘flood bypass’ tunnel would need to be? Furthermore, given that the longest tunnel in the world is about 30km, how much longer are you proposing? Once you have worked that out then we can start looking for the site ‘downstream from Wivenhoe’ where we can build a weir that will hold back sufficient water. I hope you are not suggesting just drowning the city of Ipswich are you?

    • NJP says:

      05:17pm | 04/03/11

      I’ll give you a handy shortcut for your homework Gregg: the best potential dam sites are in national parks. They were legislated precisely to prevent dams from being built in the area.

      Your idea of a series of small, interconnected dams may have some merit if it were not so expensive and the fact we have 0/1 dams being built in Australia at the moment (ausebell seems to have provided info indicating one dam is being built at the moment) suggests we have to take some small steps first before building a new Snowy Mountains Scheme.

      Basically you idea is decentralisation; which is long-sighted and strategic indeed, but with the current monetary system we have, the cost of capital is just too enormous.

    • Thirdborn 314 says:

      08:17am | 27/01/11

      Do we seriously believe that Australians have not been looking for suitable locations for dams for decades? Did the coalition just wake up and think they have had an original thought. There’s a great spot in Tasmania for a dam, lets dam the Franklin - though now I have now visited that river and I will be one of the first to line up in front of the bulldozers with Bob Brown. How about we dam the Grose Valley in the Blue Mountains? Yeah, that Blue Gums forrest is just a waste. Grow up Robb, we can all see the opportunistic undercurrent in your announcements, afterall, It was Abbott who first linked the floods with NBN spending. I think your efforts would be better spent on supporting the existing process for identifying and analysing dam projects - but that would be for the good of Australia and not the coalition now wouldn’t it?

    • Peter Oataway, Hay, NSW says:

      08:58am | 27/01/11

      Near the true mouth of the Murray, Wellington South Australia there is a suitable site for a dam, Greens need to realise when drinking their non plastic bottled water that not all Dams have the impact of the Franklin.

      There is also great spot in Queensland (near Taroom) for the Nathan Dam it would help mitigate water that flooded Theodore &  Rockhampton. One of the main reasons the High Court stopped it’s development (use of Endosulfan) is now a non-issue because GM Cotton can be grown without it.

      Likewise north of St George their is a place that can be developed for a 800 Gigalitre Dam ( the 100 Gigalitre Beadmore Dam is far too small)

    • Thirdborn 314 says:

      10:13am | 27/01/11

      So Peter, if suitable dam locations have been identified already, why does the coalition need to go out and look for more. How about they simply help with the review process of those we already know about. Or are there some secret valleys they are going to find? I agree there are plenty of spots that have already been identified but they need to be analysed propertly - and I support dams - to a point. The coalition claim they are going to find new suitable locations which is a load of bollocks.

    • CJ Morgan says:

      08:32am | 27/01/11

      So Bob Brown’s a political opportunist and Andrew Robb isn’t?

      Yeah right.

    • kate says:

      05:46pm | 27/01/11

      can everybody stop using the term ‘political opportunist’. It was re-started recently as Labour propaganda (is it still too early to talk about accountability re. the deaths of asylum seekers at christmas island, actually it’s too late, forgotten). Life is politics, ok? When there is a national disaster, politics is heavily involved, and so politicians have the right to ask questions, even more so because people died. We need more accountability in politics, which means the right to ask questions, the hallmark of a democracy, particularly when the issue is around deaths, and when it is in the forefront of people’s minds. But the attack of ‘political opportunist’ seems to work for Julia all the time: does the press want to talk about the christmas island deaths now…crickets. Want to talk about dams and water supply after the greens said we would be in eternal drought…silence.  A monkey could see through it.

    • Thirsty says:

      08:50am | 27/01/11

      NSW Labor tried to build a dam in the Hunter Valley, Tillegra Dam.
      Was rated the No. 1 dam site on the entire eastern seaboard of Australia
      Who opposed it? Yes, Federal Coalition. Dont for a minute tell me that it was knocked back because of the wetlands, that is all bullshit, and everyone invloved knows it
      Before Tony Abbott and his crew start trying to make political mileage out of the floods and start talking about new dams, how about being a little transparent and tell us why you opposed Tillegra? This dam was first surveyed in 1954, both political parties have tried to get it up 3 times since then, but because of knee-jerk political oppurtunism, it has been delayed each time.
      All I am asking of people like Andrew Robb is to be fair dinkum, peoples lives are shattered for enternity when they are told that their properties are to be flooded, however, the late decision to scrap these dams leave them more dispondent, with a likely dam hanging over their heads for the rest of their lives

    • Thirdborn 314 says:

      10:08am | 27/01/11

      Agreed, good point.

    • Tom says:

      11:30am | 27/01/11

      @What do reckon Thirsty, do we need a dam or not? The author reckons we need one. What do you reckon? I reckon we need one.

      I think the time for points scoring is over. In the words of our great leader Jooolia Gillard, “Let’s move forward.”

      Cummon fella, let’s all build a dam.

    • mareeS says:

      03:52pm | 27/01/11

      thirsty, Tillegra Dam was never meant to come into play until at least 2030, before NSW Premier Iemma fast-tracked it to divert attention from his great power sell-off. If things had been left to proceed in an orderly planning fashion it may or may not have been required even then, as the Hunter’s other water storages and flood mitigation dams are more than adequate for requirements into the forseeable future.

      Besides, there are now huge conflicts between agriculture, mining, water storage, downstream fisheries and environmental interest groups in that part of NSW that need to be sorted before such a project could proceed in that location. It was just in the too-hard basket and will remain so for decades.

    • Ted says:

      08:56am | 27/01/11

      Andrew the reason dams are now highly unpopular is because there is a far greater understanding of the very significant costs.

      This includes serious threats to fish and turtle species (reasons which your party opposed Traveston); the destruction of beaches and coastal areas due to changed sediment conditions; starving wetlands of water and nutrients; and large negative impacts on fishing and grazing industries (which rely on natural water flows).

      These heavy costs are very rarely factored in when dams are championed. A good finance person such as yourself understands the importance of balancing a ledger, it is crying shame that the Coalition cannot apply their economic management skills to some modern thinking on environment issues like dams. Your incessant greeny bashing does little to enhance your argument or credibility.

    • Steve frankes says:

      08:21am | 28/01/11

      Absolute Rubbish - do your homework better

    • NJP says:

      05:30pm | 04/03/11

      Yes I recall that Traveston was canceled because of a turtle and a fish. I’ve asked on occasion, of those whom supported the decision, what the effects of this already endangered species finally being wiped out. None so far have been able to give an answer, not even the simplest explanation of causality can they provide. Invariably you push them far enough and their underlying values come out for all to see: power-brokering.

      When I point out that pipelines and coal powered desalination plants have a significant impact on the environment, like dams, all I get is irrational emotional responses. Very disappointing.

      By the way, ledgers and accounting (which is not the entirety of finance) deal with numbers, profits, losses, costs etc. The environment cannot be factored into economic calculation, because untouched nature has no intrinsic value.

      Your incessant bashing of the price mechanism and the free market does little to enhance your arguement or credibility.

    • DC says:

      09:10am | 27/01/11

      Andrew Robb needs to pull his head out from his arse.  The Liberals (Federal as well as the LNP) in QLD were against the Traveston Dam and in NSW, the state Liberals are fighting against another Dam.  That’s two Dams that Labor wanted, and that’s two Dams that the Liberals have opposed.

      As for Andrew Robb calling Bob Brown an “opportunist”, what a hypocrite.

      Tony Abbott, Joe Hockey, Julie Bishop, Barnaby Joyce and now Andrew Robb are trying to exploit the floods in Qld and Vic for their own political agenda.

      While other politicians got out there and helped (Anna Bligh, Campbell Newman, Kevin Rudd and others from all sides of politics), these pathetic career politicians did nothing but try to score cheap political points.

      Anyone who can’t see through their agenda needs to wake up.

      As for Andrew Robb, maybe he needs to focus on simple maths instead of writing political shite for the Punch - maybe then he could get his budgets and costings right.

    • Tom says:

      11:19am | 27/01/11

      @DC, so Anna Bigh’s media posturing was wanting to help? Hahahahahaha.

      ... and of course Kevin “who put the bricks in the f*&@$#%n suitcase” Rudd was just helping out? Hohohohoho.  Woooo whoooo!

      And of course the cameras just happened to be there?  LOL.

      You Labor hypocrite. Go and destroy another state with your spin.

    • DC says:

      02:19pm | 27/01/11

      @Tom:  Wow - so much hostility.  Fact is, Bligh got out there and helped, Kevin Rudd was also out there - where was Langbroek?  Where was Springborg?

      They weren’t helping out.  I did see Campbell Newman working his butt off, but you glossed over the fact that I mentioned an LNP pollie - instead, you just went on the attack, throwing an incredible amount of spin yourself.

      As for Tony Abbott - all he did was play politics - the action man was useless - but of course, you’d rather attack those who actually helped out.

      What a sad little human you are.

    • DC says:

      02:26pm | 27/01/11

      By the way Tom - I happen to know that John Paul Langbroek specifically invited press to tag along with him and take photos while all he did was point at objects far off into the distance.

      Not once did he pick up a shovel or help anyone.

      Not once.

      Bligh for all her faults (and she has plenty) at least got out and helped out.

      By the way, if you’d actually read my comment, you would have noticed that I mentioned Campbell Newman and also made mention of politicians from all sides helping out.

      They helped, while Tony Abbott, Joe Hockey, Julie Bishop, Barnaby Joyce and now Andrew Robb played politics.

      That says more about them and their “concern” for the flood victims than actually trying to help.

      But you lapped it all up.

      Good riddance my pathetic little man - it’s quite clear that you’d rather attack people than make a worthwhile comment.

      Ever thought of joining the Federal Liberal Party?

    • Indie says:

      02:28pm | 27/01/11

      @Tom:  DC has a point - Abbott and co did nothing but bitch and feign concern.

      A little like you.

    • Tony says:

      02:40pm | 27/01/11

      Then why didn’t the Coalition oppose the recently completed (Filled in a couple of weeks) Wyalralong Dam? Maybe because they have a more sensible approach than “Dams are good’ or like the Greens ‘Dams are bad’?

    • Tom says:

      05:00pm | 27/01/11

      @DC and Indie your over-use of “little”? Is it to help your anger management when your argument sucks? Or is it the jive you lefties use like “red-neck”, “stupid” etc when someone does not agree with your Hawker Britton media mangement trash.

      Suck it in fellas, Abbott was not the media tart, your little photo queen Anna Bligh was.

      ... and Kevin 07 carrying the suitcase? He was the same arrogant pig that threw the plate at the air hostess.

      Spin that you “pathetic little” Labor staffers.

    • JennyF says:

      10:01pm | 27/01/11

      John Paul was filling sandbags.

    • Retired Soldier says:

      09:12am | 27/01/11

      The Greens and Bob Brown came to prominence during the Franklin River dispute in Tasmania. At the time, the thinking Tasmanians saw through the self serving agenda of Mr Brown and they developed a bumper sticker that read: “If it’s Brown flush it” ! Sadly he wasn’t flushed right out of this “once fine land”.

    • Old Fart says:

      10:54am | 27/01/11

      Yes,
      We should have dammed the Franklin to supply electricity to those city folk. How on earth did they get through the last 30 years without power from the Franklin? I wonder. Let’s woodchip all the old growth forests so some foreign nationals can roll in dough and play at Packer’s place.

    • Silly Old Fart says:

      02:09pm | 27/01/11

      Tasmania imports mainland coal based load power and runs gas turbine based power station to generate base load power. During recent low rainfall period the hydro scheme’s were getting very low, without mainland supply power rationing would have resulted - yes how on earth did we get through the last 30 years - we burnt coal and gas….....

    • Warren Klein says:

      09:15am | 27/01/11

      What nonsense - “If you consider Brisbane’s Wivenhoe Dam, built after the 1974 floods, there is consensus that it reduced the peak flood level of the 2011 disaster by about two metres.”
      All the evidence points to the flood waters from the Bremer River combining with the water released to save Wivenhoe from catastrophic failure of the rock embankment to cause a major flood in Brisbane.  Wivenhoe had no effect on the flooding in the Lockyer Valley and Ipswich.  By the way, in other than third world countries, engineers do not build dams with rock embankments for long term water storage, they use concrete embankments.  There has been a major failing in policy with respect to the use of the Wivenhoe Dam for water storage as against its publicy stated intended use for flood mitigation.

    • Peter Oataway, Hay, NSW says:

      10:03am | 27/01/11

      So you think 1000 Gigalitres of water running through Brisbane in the space of 1-2 days would not have made this flood a bigger disaster ? That is what probably would have happened if Wivenhoe was not built. Possibly an extra 1-2 meters of flood height in Brisbane.

    • astrid says:

      10:52am | 27/01/11

      The problem is that Wivenhoe Dam operators SEQ water are contractually obliged to only drain the dams down to 100%. Which during the drought makes total sense. The questions are what would have happend if they controlled it a 50%. Wivenhoe should be used as a hydro electric / flood mitigation/ 50% drinking water only. Brisbane needs another dam or a number of dams purely for drinking water. We very close to an uncotrolled flood and on current predictions could of amounted to 40,000 losing thier lives. What the Green dont factor in as usual is the loss of life and dollars for rebuilding. . As a side note the cleanest/ greenist city in the US is Buffalo New York. 100% hydro electric. .

    • rb says:

      12:14pm | 27/01/11

      @ Astrid. 40,000 people losing their lives? With the exception of the very sad events in the Lockyer valley (which a dam would not have helped), are there 40,000 people dumb enough to drive over flood causeways?

    • Tony says:

      02:48pm | 27/01/11

      Astrid, Wivenhoe was held at 100% of normal storage. When the downpour came it rapidly went to 190% and was in danger of topping. At one stage the engineers were releasing at a rate equivalent to 50% of the dams normal storage in 24 hours! Now, just say that it had been held at 50% of normal storage, what difference would that have made to the flood? Got any figures? Very few people with amateur solutions have any appreciation of the quantities in question.

    • rb says:

      09:16am | 27/01/11

      Do we hold back the flood or do we build appropriate housing?
      My childhood home was one of the many shown on tv, happily perch up on blocks 2kms out in an inland sea. The vegies flourished after such as event. The deep soak and nutrient rich silt.
      This article is about politics and nothing else, as many of these posts have pointed out.

    • Mitch says:

      11:29am | 27/01/11

      How rich of Andrew Robb, considering that at the beginning of this year his counterparts in the LNP were criticising the Qld Govt for keeping Wivenhoe at 100% capacity, which was apparently too low because the drinking water needed to be captured.

      Dams can only do so much, and they should be looked at as an option but they are hardly the silver bullet that conservatives all of a sudden have made them out to be. Also Wivenhoe didn’t fail as much as people would like to think as it kept the flood levels below 1974 levels despite there being around 66% more water in the Brisbane River system than at the peak of the 74 floods.

    • Gordicans says:

      11:48am | 27/01/11

      This is a wedge issue the coalition has conconcted.  It’s all about cynical politics, nothing about policy.  How do we know?  1) the timing - just after the flood disaster;; why didn’t they propose this a couple of months ago? 2) The coalition apposed the Tilega dam 3) Andrew Robb’s last paragraph “While Julia Gillard and Bob Brown will no doubt attempt to whip up a scare campaign against our work, we will not be deterred. It is time to put political correctness aside…”.  Here he is describing his clever little wedge.  Heaven help us.

      If Andrew really wanted to put political correctness aside then he would acknowledge that global warming is real rather than making political correct comments such as “All the experts, whatever their views on climate change…”

    • david elder says:

      07:52pm | 27/01/11

      Gordicans says:

      “11:48am | 27/01/11

      This is a wedge issue the coalition has conconcted.  It’s all about cynical politics, nothing about policy.  How do we know?  1) the timing - just after the flood disaster” ... etc.

      Maybe a flood disaster is a good time to think about solutions for it? Unless you’ve already taken action against the problem. Did Gordicans lobby in advance to have Julia’s levy up and running?

      “Wedge politics” is just a current fashion in rhetoric. I’m not trying to wedge anything anywhere. I’d just like to know why the Wivenhoe dam continued to operate as an anti-drought measure when the climate was turning towards rain, as Stewart Franks said previously.

    • KH says:

      12:34pm | 27/01/11

      Can someone explain how full dams are going to help if there is another event like QLD just had?  I mean, wouldn’t they have to be empty to be of any use in preventing floods?  So why would we spend billions building empty dams?  In the last few years, the existing dams were barely half full and we were all on water restrictions.  So how are more dams going to help then?  Just seems like an enormous expense for little benefit for most of the time.  Flood prevention once in 25 years isn’t exactly value for money.

    • James says:

      03:03pm | 27/01/11

      They are generally kept half full if being used as a flood prevention measure.

    • Kika says:

      12:42pm | 27/01/11

      The problem is politicians who oppose things just for political gain. Not everyone will be ‘for’ something so they go on a whim to assume they will collect some votes for opposing something just because.  This is why Tony Abbott sh**s me to tears because he’s so DAM negative about everything… (hahaha).

      But seriously, it’s happening everywhere. Media run politics is ruining the world. Politicians are out there for their own careers and not for the good of their electorate. That’s why there are no dams, no water pipelines from up north (where they have so much water they can’t even store it all), the bush still doesn’t have a proper phone line and Indigenous kids still can’t expect to live as long as white kids.

    • Peter Oataway, Hay, NSW says:

      02:43pm | 27/01/11

      And inner city Green yuppies sip latte’s and herbal teas that the cafe owner used a sh#tload of CO2 emissions to prepare.
      I suppose saving the environment is in the eye of the be-holder

    • rodney allsworth says:

      02:12pm | 27/01/11

      haa, its music to read from so many posts that people are starting to wake up to the greens agenda,such a lovely change from the blind obediance to bob browns crew whoi seem to have some sort of hatred of the human race.

      rod   qld

    • James Hunter says:

      03:23pm | 27/01/11

      Great to see a Liberal with a very sensible comment or two.There should be dams everuy where to provide water,mitigate floods,and generate green power. To hell with the last woolie mouthed ring worm or green eyed wood louse. people come first.
      Pity the Liberal Party did not have some leaders though. My god(sorry Deity of choice) immagine, Foney Rabbit,Joe Hicky and Carnival Joyce running the country. NOOOOOO thanks.

    • terry says:

      03:28pm | 27/01/11

      Dead right this green scam agenda is a busted climate gate con ,build the dams and stop this stupid green scam agenda if ruining our country with junk policies based on proven junk science , read the emails leaked it will blow your mind.

    • John Tracey says:

      05:43pm | 27/01/11

      Your comment:
      The Liberals only care about the economy and The Greens only care about the environment .
      Labor is the scales of politics

    • john tracey says:

      05:46pm | 27/01/11

      only dead wood, dead beats and dead shits vote Liberal as they are death warmed up.
      dammed if you don’t dam
      dammed if you do.

    • John Tracey says:

      05:55pm | 27/01/11

      Your comment:
      Who is the current federal Liberal Leader?
      Where is the current federal Liberal Leader?
      Is the current federal Liberal leader still alive?
      Dr Bob Brown should be Federal Liberal Leader.
      At least he appears and he talks.

    • Feathers says:

      12:36pm | 29/01/11

      I agree….he talks alright , he talks absolute RUBBISH.  Maybe if he had children he would consider the future of this great land.  He has his own agenda and it’s not about Aust at all.  It’s about Bob Brown.  The sooner he fades away, and he will and his entire party of stupidity, the better off we’ll all be and our country.  Troublemakers the whole dam(n) lot of them.

    • PeterMax says:

      07:39pm | 27/01/11

      This is an excellent article with sound, practical and commonsense proposals.  Unfortunately for Australia it has been clearly shown over the years that neither Labor nor the Greens will accept and implement these important plans.  Or anything else worthwhile for Australia.

      It is essential that the Coalition be returned to Government as quickly as possible so that these proposals and other sound ideas to progress Australia can be further considered and outcomes implemented.

    • Ross says:

      08:53pm | 27/01/11

      Sydney has doubled in population since Warragamba was built - what was the Green/labour response————no you can’t build another dam lets implement water rationing and build an expensive desalination plant and while you are at it because you are using less water we will charge you more for what you do use.

      Sydney was very lucky the rain came as Warragamba our main water supply was gradually reducing in overall storage - the reality is Sydney needs another dam and the sooner we build it and guarantee our water supply the better

    • RM says:

      09:40pm | 27/01/11

      Naive, I know, but I’d like to see water management start with the individual rather than dams being built willy nilly to feed the appalling driveway hosing habits of suburbia.  Where are the water tanks?  Too ugly for the subdivision?  Too bad.  Living on tank water my entire life, I have a heightened awareness of where and how my supply of water is used and I cannot wrap my head around how much drinking water in this country gets flushed down the loo.  I also do not understand why as a country we are not harvesting both rain and sunlight from every roof.  Am I looking at the problem simplistically?  Absolutely.  The simple solutions are often where we should start, but are overlooked by people with their own agenda ie: politics

    • rb says:

      07:05am | 28/01/11

      Self-responsibility? You must be thinking of another country.

    • RM says:

      09:26pm | 28/01/11

      Hmmm, you’re right.  Us and our ‘battler’ mentality.  It’s everone else’s fault, problem, cost, but mine.  Now where’s my government handout!

    • Laurie says:

      05:25pm | 01/02/11

      In Tasmania on the Cascade river 24 inches (600 mils) fell in two days and brokethe Briseis Dam in 1929. 14 people died. Global Warming? Coal pollution. Tragically these things happen . Best to take every opportunity to politicise it though. Bob Brown’s comments justify the skeptics as it is inconclusive and political opportunism.

    • NJP says:

      05:06pm | 04/03/11

      “Dams are by no means the answer in every instance, but nor should they be automatically excluded purely because of politics.”

      Just thought I’d highlight this uncommonly heard rational emotion-free statement. I’ve seen the anti-dam brigade will whip out the hyperbole and loaded language to attack the kind of ideas your promoting in your article.

      The author could ease up on the partisan politics a bit, but I suppose one can’t resist swinging the hammer around every so often.

 

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