On very rare occasions, having an incompetent rabble on the Treasury benches can be a blessing in disguise.

Put your hand up if you're confused history? Photo:Herald Sun

Those of you with long memories will recall that in the early days of the Rudd Government, the then Education Minister Julia Gillard promised that by 2011, Australia would have a national curriculum for Maths, Science, English and History.

Shortly thereafter it became obvious they weren’t going to make it and so the deadline was pushed back to 2012, then to 2013 and now it seems we’ll be lucky to see it before 2014.

Believe it or not, that’s a good thing, because as it stands, the national curriculum, in particular the history syllabus, is highly selective, disturbingly incomplete and bears a pronounced left wing bias.
Earlier this month the Gillard Government confirmed that the national curriculum will contain “embedded” content about the supposed benefits and advantages of multiculturalism.

According to a Government response to the Multicultural Advisory Council, students will be trained in “cultural competency”, and taught to “understand and appreciate the value of other cultures.”

In my experience, teachers from Prep right through to Year 12 are already extremely diligent in their efforts to foster respect and civility between all students, not as part of a multicultural agenda, but simply because it’s the right way to treat your fellow human beings.

In my view, emphasising multiculturalism, with its inherent focus on compartmentalisation and cultural sensitivities, runs the risk of undoing much of that good work by accentuating the differences between students rather than the similarities.

On the topic of cultural sensitivities, I would like to digress slightly and suggest that the process of “embedding” multiculturalism will most likely be just the first step in a feel-good campaign to stamp out all forms of racism in our schools. While it’s hard to disagree with the intention, the international evidence, suggests there may be one or two problems.

First among these is the fact that the word “racism” has become so corrupted by overuse, so robbed of its true meaning, that attempts to eradicate it can and do lead to all sorts of silliness. Witness the story of Codie Stott, a 14 year old British high school student who was arrested on suspicion of a “racial public order offence” for asking her science teacher if she could switch groups because the other kids in her group only spoke Urdu and she couldn’t understand them…

For this heinous offence, Codie had her fingerprints and mugshot taken, was relieved of her jewellery and the laces from her shoes, and then spent three hours in a cell. 

She was later released without charge, (presumably once somebody with a brain found out what had happened). What is even more remarkable about this story is that nobody was embarrassed by their part in it. When asked why the school had seen fit to contact the police in the first place, the headmaster replied that the school would “not stand for racism in any form.”

Even more bizarre was the official line of the local police who insisted their treatment of the child had been in line with normal procedure for “hate crimes”.

In parts of the UK at least it appears that the war on racism in schools has contributed to the creation of a deformed moral code which permits swearing at your teachers as “self expression” but prohibits any mention of the ethnicity of your classmates as a hate crime. Let us hope we aren’t being led on a similarly demented dance.

Back home, one of the goals of the Year 10 English syllabus is to teach students to recognise “what is stated explicitly in the text and what is implied.” Turning this sort of textual analysis back on the history curriculum provides some interesting results, because while it might not be explicitly stated in the text, it is very clearly implied that Australian society (if not Western society as a whole) is unjust, unsustainable and in dire need of reform. Indeed, implicit in all aspects of the national curriculum are some noticeably partisan political assumptions.

From the body responsible for writing the curriculum (ACARA), we get the suggestion that a national curriculum is necessary to combat “complex environmental, social and economic pressures, such as climate change ...”

From the history syllabus we learn that the coursework “supports the development of students’ world views, particularly in relation to actions that require judgment about past social systems and access to and use of the Earth’s resources.” What’s more, the syllabus will allow students to develop a historical perspective on “the overuse of natural resources, the rise of environmental movements, and the global energy crisis.”

It’s not just overt environmentalism that we have to worry about. There are also some extremely questionable omissions from the history syllabus. For example, the “Rights and Freedoms” unit contained in the Year 10 curriculum teaches students about the United Nations, the US Civil Rights movement and the civil rights of Australia’s indigenous peoples. About the Magna Carta, the English Civil War, the French Revolution or the American War of Independence however, it teaches them precisely nothing.

Obviously, a study of “rights and freedoms” which omits such seminal moments in their development can’t be described as anything other than hopelessly incomplete. Thanks to omission such as these, a student could be forgiven for thinking the struggle for individual rights and freedoms didn’t really kick off until after the Second World War.

That’s a bit like being taught that democracy was invented in Philadelphia in the 18th century or that the birth of communism took place in Russia in the 1930s. Not only is it wrong, it’s almost deliberately misleading. 

The problems don’t end there. Year 10 history students will also be offered a unit called The Globalising World. The three topics of study on offer therein are: pop culture, the environment (including the concept of Gaia), and Migration Experiences 1945-present (which, if the subject matter is any indication, might more accurately have been titled “Push Factors”).

This is not to say that these topics are not worthy of study, it is merely to say that we are doing our kids a disservice by offering them a highly selective, heavily abridged version of the wider story, viewed through a lens of racism, exploitation and environmental degradation.

While I’m sure it’s tempting for some to view Australia’s 3.6 million schoolkids as a captive audience, ripe for indoctrination, that’s not what education should be about. History is not political science and we should resist vigorously any attempt to conflate the two.

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    • TChong says:

      06:01am | 30/09/11

      Quite right, history should be “apolitical”, so who better than one of the coalitions leading no names to demand a return to white christian picket fence view of how history should be, complete with straw man examples in order to scare the kiddies, and the god fearing gullible .
      Fearing Progressive ways of thinking is all the Far Right have, fear, and longing for a past that never was.

    • acotrel says:

      08:20am | 30/09/11

      @Chongy
      Apolitical?  Well that rules out any mention of John MacArthur and his son, with their ideas of land holdings owned by an Australian aristocracy, and worked with convict labour ? That mentality commenced back then, and continues to this day !

    • marley says:

      08:20am | 30/09/11

      I don’t know that I agree entirely with this guy, but I do have to say that not teaching kids about Magna Carta and the French Revolution as a part of understanding our modern notions of democracy is a big-time error.  After all, both were pretty radical concepts in their day.

    • acotrel says:

      08:29am | 30/09/11

      There was a young lady of about 30 years of age, on Eddie Maguire’s ‘millionaire hot seat’ the other night, who did not know the name of the Governor who was involved in the Rum Rebellion ! I’ll bet her parents have got her conned into voting for the conservatives !

    • Joanne Van Gestel says:

      09:58am | 30/09/11

      I fear that as a future History teacher this smacks of a right wing agenda. The kids do learn about the Magna Carta and the French Revolution in studying history, maybe not in Grade 10, but in other grades this is covered. A well rounded education encourages children to look at all that they read and critically analyse all that they learn. We want children to be able to think for themselves, to go further and search out their own truth. History by its own nature is the study of the human spirit, this includes politics, religion, race, environment, morals and values. I am happy that they will be including more up to date history like the American civil rights. Kids can identify more with Martin Luther King than King Loius.

    • Madkat of Melbourne says:

      11:12am | 30/09/11

      Joanne Van Gestel - “I am happy that they will be including more up to date history like the American civil rights. Kids can identify more with Martin Luther King than King Loius.”

      So you don’t think great ancient philosophers, the great thinkers throughout history, or the great original mathematicians whose work still stands the test of time are relevant !! Newton, Plato, Euclid, Galileo, da Vinci - forget about them kids can’t relate to them anyway - ?? What about the great conquerors, the great wars or the history of our current institutions - its got nothing to offer modern society? God help society.

    • Anne71 says:

      12:28pm | 30/09/11

      TChong -  so you would rather that our children were taught a selective, extremely subjective form of history instead, where the “evil whiteys” are responsible for all the ills of the world?
      I had an excellent history teacher in high school. She would not permit any subjective analysis of historical events - rather, we had to look at those events in the context of the society at the time. What did they think and believe that allowed such events to happen? What were the consequences of those events, and how did those societies change as a result? It gave us a much better understanding of history, and an appreciation for how much the world has moved on. There’s still a long way to go, but regardless of what some people try to tell you, we have come one heck of a long way.
      I don’t see the point of sugar-coating history, and presenting only one, extremely biased side of the story.  As the saying goes, “those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”.

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      01:16pm | 30/09/11

      Anne71 - “so you would rather that our children were taught a selective, extremely subjective form of history instead, where the “evil whiteys” are responsible for all the ills of the world? “

      of couse TChong would like that - he’d also love the unions teaching subjects in our schools -

    • stevem says:

      01:38pm | 30/09/11

      Joanne Van Gestel , this article is not discussing the current curriculum but the one that is currently being formulated. Hopefully these omissions will be rectified by the time it is ratified.

    • Cynicised says:

      03:44pm | 30/09/11

      @Joanne Van Gestrel. Why is what “kids can identify with” a major criterion in the teaching of history? To my mind, that’s nonsense. I hardly identified with Marie Antionette,or the peasantry, but I’m glad I learned about the French revolution. Surely knowledge, and the ability to interpret that knowledge is the important issue here? All this touchy-feely bullshit about “keeping the kids engaged” is the cause of the dilution of education. Sure, the kids need to listen and read to learn, but that is up to the skills of the teacher, not the curriculum, in my view.

    • Cynicised says:

      03:49pm | 30/09/11

      Well said, Anne 71. That’s the kind of history teachers I had also. None of this revisionist crap, but judging the events by the standards of the day and only then forming a view as to how that event was significant in the timeline.

    • Tanya says:

      04:10pm | 30/09/11

      History can never be entirely apolitical because events that shape nations and the globe are driven by the social and economic consequences of governments and ideologies. But children can learn to understand that it has multiple perspectives - if you were a peasant in the European revolutions then you’re bound to see it differently from a member of the aristocracy. Apply it to globalism and it teaches an understanding of multiculturalism. If History is taught as a paradigm or an applied science for interpreting major milestones and the evolution of social structures rather than a series of milestones from a singular, ideological perspective, it can only breed tolerance in the long run.

    • acotrel says:

      06:22am | 30/09/11

      Looking good for Pauline Hanson at the next elections !  I wonder which party she’ll be taking votes from ? Perhaps the Liberal Party will give her their preferences this time, and show their true colours ?

    • RyaN says:

      09:15am | 30/09/11

      Stop trolling acotrel, seriously mate its going to give you a heart attack or something.

    • acotrel says:

      10:16am | 30/09/11

      @RyaN
      I was starting to notice that the silence in response to my comment is becoming deafening.  At least you recognise the implications in it with respect to our current politics.  John Howard’s cynicism will hang around haunting the conservatives for a long time.  He really should have repudiated her politics instead of making capital out of them !

    • Max, of Rocky says:

      10:23am | 30/09/11

      Stop living in the past,  if you want a real subject, what about Bob Katter.

      He is at least a current political aspirant. 

      Also the DLP, they are becoming more active.

      My guess is we will see some fun at the next Qld election, now only months away.

    • RyaN says:

      10:58am | 30/09/11

      @acotrel: seriously mate, refer to my previous comment!

    • acotrel says:

      04:39pm | 30/09/11

      @RyaN
      Seriously mate, anyone who is really opposed to multiculturalism would vote for One Nation.  LNP politics are just a poor imitation , designed to capture the votes of Pauline Hanson’s ignorant followers. The asylum seeker bullshit is the same genre just dressed up a bit differently !

    • acotrel says:

      04:41pm | 30/09/11

      @Max
      ‘He is at least a current political aspirant.  ‘

      So is Pauline Hanson !

    • acotrel says:

      04:47pm | 30/09/11

      @Max

      For your information:

      http://www.onenation.com.au/

      Would you likre me to send you a ‘how to vote’ card ?

    • acotrel says:

      04:53pm | 30/09/11

      @Max of Rocky
      The DLP won’t do much good, we don’t have many commies to fight these days,  China is now our main trading partner - successful communist government ! And Russia is no longer communist !  You have only two choices if you are looking for an alternative right wing candidate with clout- One Nation or an independent !

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      06:58am | 30/09/11

      The UK and Europe’s massive problems are because of illegal immigration and the mixing of the cultures being left to the poorer and unskilled to contend with while the privileged and educated stand aloof giving gratuitous advice between cocktails and the quest for continuous cheap labour, sometimes called globalisation.  The UK and Europe is a time bomb and hopefully we can do better using intelligent education, and not political correctness, of our children as one of the tools. 
      By the by:  The statement “the word “racism” has become so corrupted by overuse” is very, very true.

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      08:05am | 30/09/11

      Going further.  Using the Codie Stott story as an indicator of a failed and politically correct education system is a bit rich.  The author must be studying under Andrew Bolt or Alan Jones as he failed to mention that this happened almost 5 years ago.

    • jay-ded says:

      02:04pm | 30/09/11

      So this would be why at a Victorian high school foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. Australian students took it down. Guess who was expelled…the students who took it down.

      West Australian high school students were sent home, because they wore T-shirts with the Australian flag printed on them.

      Looks like our “intelligent education” is also letting us down…..

    • acotrel says:

      05:19pm | 30/09/11

      @Gratuitous Advisor
      The word ‘racism ’ is only being over used because there is so much of it about in right wing politics ! It has become just another political tool like minority bashing, law and order, and reds under the beds !

    • Mahhrat says:

      07:00am | 30/09/11

      Agree with this.  That national curriculum should never, ever teach division.  Ever.

      I remember my daughter in grade 2 - she referred to one of her friends only as “Rosie”.  When I asked her which one was Rosie, she points at a group of about 30 kids.  It never occurred to her to refer to her as the “Sudanese” or “Dark-Skinned” (or whatever) - she was simply Rosie.

      It is a shame that we feel the need to point out our difference to children when they so readily and naturally accept a person on their individual values, not where they come from or what history they’ve got.

    • acotrel says:

      08:25am | 30/09/11

      When kids pick differences, thay have usually been taught do do it !

    • Adam Diver says:

      09:56am | 30/09/11

      It surprises me that the “left” generally, don’t see the divisive nature of trying to promote minority groups. Having awards for indigenous achievements, sends the message that

      a) they are different
      b) they are disadvantaged by this difference, hence they need a special award

      Its inherently racist, patronising and self defeating. To see this sort of thought into a new curriculum (which is already lopsided) is depressing. In a previous open thread I asked what punchers would like to see in a history curriculum, and all of the responses were based on human achievement above and beyond individual race.

    • acotrel says:

      10:29am | 30/09/11

      @Adam Diver
      I suggest that a LNP supporter should never use the word ‘divisive’ to label the left !  It is the epitomy of hypocrisy !

    • Trentyn says:

      10:37am | 30/09/11

      A conversation with my (4 year old) daughter re: Aboriginals and Torres Straight Islanders being specifically mentioned in our constitution:

      Me: Do you think some peole should be specially mentioned in our laws because they were in our country first?

      Her: No,

      Me: Why Darling?

      Her: Then they wont feel like part of the family.

    • AdamC says:

      10:40am | 30/09/11

      Adam Diver, I couldn’t agree more. If you condition people to believe and act as if they are inferior, they will be inferior. It is incredibly destructive, no more so than in the area of indigenous policy.

    • Adam Diver says:

      12:08pm | 30/09/11

      @ acetrol,

      I have stated my position on the LNP a few times. Essentially my support is only contigent on the fact that the ALP are completely incompetent. I agree with many policies and disagree with others, and as an individual I would like for future comments to be treated as such.

      Although I use generalisations myself I do so, without any bias towards an individual, and as such need not burdon my criticism of you with any generalisations from the side that you support.

      You are a likable troll on this site, your input whilst sometime humerous is never insightful and never complete with thought. I will continue to tolerate you to debate and discuss with the many good punchers here, but again must ask you to provide something of value when responding directly to one of my threads.

      Ironically the ultimate hypocrisy, IMO at least, when it comes to divisive nature, is not the destructive words of the right, but the dismissive attitudes of the left, and the victim mentality they constatnly entrench unwittingly.

    • acotrel says:

      04:59pm | 30/09/11

      @Trentyn
      Did you tell your daughter that the aborigines probably legally own Australia including your property ? Ownership by ‘right of conquest’ was extinguished at Nuremberg, and   its replacement ‘territorial integrity’ is a poorly defined concept.  If there was a case in the ICJ the a borigines could win.  Then you and your daughter could become asylum seekers !

    • acotrel says:

      05:10pm | 30/09/11

      @Adam Diver
      ’ Essentially my support is only contigent on the fact that the ALP are completely incompetent.’
      I’d like to see you prove that without any of the ‘he says, she says’ !
      Wayne Swann - incompetent ?  That’s not what the international community is saying !
      Kevin Rudd - incompetent ?  Again - he’s ge tting kudos for helping the revolution in Libya with non-military aid.

      Let’s hear from you - the pink batts ‘debacle’ ?  Contraactors have been prosecuted by Worksafde for their negligence !  The BER debacle - unsubstantiated ! - What else ? The GFC - the stimulus worked and we maintained confidence ! Of course that was all due to Peter Costello who dreamed up the Paul Keating reforms upon which he rode and reaped the benefit ? I call bullshit ! !

    • B says:

      09:23pm | 01/10/11

      @acotrel

      You have been told before to stop spouting that line ‘The aborigines own Australi’.  The UN declared at Numeburg that ‘right of conquest’ was not a legitimate means of conquering a territory, FROM THIS DATE.

      You always conventiently forget to mention that this only can be applied FROM THAT DATE.  Sorry mate, the UN didnt exist in 1788 when ‘Terra Nullius” was declared.

      BTW Australia was declared empty.  It was never taken over by ‘right of conquest’

    • Against the Man says:

      07:20am | 30/09/11

      Gillard broke a promise? Why I find that hard to believe!

      Well at least we have more proof she doesn’t care about Australia. Watch the ALP minority try and spin this…..butbutbut…BERBERBER…..

    • acotrel says:

      08:32am | 30/09/11

      Julia didn’t follow ‘the script’ !  That’s why she made a ‘non-core promise’ !

    • Anubis says:

      12:42pm | 30/09/11

      @ acotrel - You have continually been trying to justify Julia’s breach of faith with the Australian people by likening it to John Howard’s non-core promises. So basically you are intimating that if it was good enough for JH then it is good enough for JG. Utter crap. JH was reviled for his non-core promises in the same way JG is reviled for her breach of faith.

      As for not following the script - also crap. Julia wouldn’t know what script to follow. Is she the real Julia, the false Julia, the compassionate Julia, the lying weasel Julia.

      It is simple - Gillard made a commitment to the Australian people that there would be no Carbon Tax under a Government she leads. After forming Government one of the first things she did was to go back on that promise. The conclusion is that she (backed up by Swan) deliberately lied in order to garner more votes or she doesn’t lead the current Government. The fact that it is a minority Government has nothing to do with it. She is running Bob Brown’s agenda.

      To blame it on changed circumstances due to the minority Government is also a deliberate falsehood. Really, what would have happened if she told the Green’s that she would follow the original agenda of a people’s forum to determine the make of Carbon pricing with a cohesive policy presented at the next election. I doubt that the Green’s would then have sided with the Liberals. So, just where was the pressure for her to renege on the promise of No Carbon Tax?

      There was none. She deliberately lied to gain more votes. How you can continue to justify the unjustifiable is incomprehensible. The lady is a douche and the Labor party is the bag it came in.

      Out of curiosity - I am wondering if anyone gave her a set of salad tongs that she could use with her Hyper Bole?

    • nojoh says:

      03:26pm | 30/09/11

      @Anubis - I did send her a raspberry.

      @acotrel - defender of the faith, you have to understand they are but human and humans are not perfect.  Your protesting demeans you, accept the truth but don’t swallow it.

    • acotrel says:

      05:15pm | 30/09/11

      @Anubis
      Bad loser ! ! Julia won because the greens and the independents looked at her record.  It wasn’t full of Tony Abbot style slimy bullshit ! Tony can’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag, who would be s illy enough to trust him /

    • Sony B Goode says:

      07:22am | 30/09/11

      What is obvious is that this government couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery, perhaps they should put CT in charge at least he knows how to organise a root in a brothel.

      The only thing this government is interested in is destroying prosperity and slapping down anyone that gets ahead. Fabian socialists are the worst kind, deceitful, dishonest and unlucky for us incompetent.

    • acotrel says:

      08:36am | 30/09/11

      @Sony
      ‘Fabian socialists are the worst kind, deceitful, dishonest and unlucky for us incompetent. ‘

      a few words:

      Peter Costello
      exchange rates
      $40 billion !
      OOPS ! SAWRY !

    • Sony B Goode says:

      09:20am | 30/09/11

      acotrel, how is your retirement going?

      still pining after other people’s money?

      I don’t think Costello was a fabian, unlike Komrades Swan and Gillard. Komrade Brown speaks for himself: trees and rocks before people.

      The current exchange rates is a disaster for the local economy, good work Komrade Swan! The destruction of prosperity is in full swing!

    • acotrel says:

      10:24am | 30/09/11

      @Sony
      ’ The destruction of prosperity is in full swing! ‘

      Do you really believe the lie that you’ve written ?
      Haven’t you heard about Wayne Swann and our great economy while the rest of the world is suffering during the recession?  Will you never be happy?

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      01:14pm | 30/09/11

      You can thank Howard/Costello and Hawke/Keating for our great economy - and China for helping us through the GFC - but Swannie with his big beautiful award from a finance magazine who thought Lehhman Brothers was a grand company going places - nahh

    • Ben says:

      03:09pm | 30/09/11

      @acotrel
      Our economy is only ‘great’ in relative terms. And only relative to the economies that were the most heavily exposed to collateralised debt obligations (we weren’t one of them). Fact is, just because we’re doing well compared to the US and Europe, doesn’t mean we’re doing well.

      If you don’t believe me look at:
      - Spread between cash rate and retail rates since 2007.
      - Competition in the banking sector since 2007.
      - Business confidence indices since 2007.
      - Investment stability indices since 2007.

      Or you could simply ask just about any punter on the street who isn’t a rampant ALP apologist.

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      03:48pm | 30/09/11

      Sony B Goode - “What is obvious is that this government couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery” - give them credit - they organised a root in a brothel !!

    • PTom says:

      05:11pm | 30/09/11

      @Ben,
      Yes, We could also look at the unemployment figures, Interest rate, Inflation, GDP, saving figures debt, defict and tax reveune, also we should ignore the GFC or the fact that Europe or the US has yet to recover.

      But then again lets ask the LNP they seem to have their fingers up the pulse, like Andrew Robb call that part of the economy is in recession but ignores the booming parts.

    • acotrel says:

      05:23pm | 30/09/11

      @Ben
      In 2008 we had the GFC and the rules changed !

    • Ben says:

      03:24pm | 02/10/11

      @acotrel, that’s the standard excuse but it doesn’t really wash when you delve into the detail of the government response to the GFC. They got the fundamentals right but the execution left an awful lot to be desired.

      @PTom, I’m not an LNP supporter (though Robb is right that certain sectors of the economy are in recession and have been for a while) and I’m not ignoring the GFC at all, I’m actually acknowledging it. Hence my comment that we’re not doing well at all, we’re just doing ‘better’. Your stats tend to prove my point rather than yours btw.

    • Rossco says:

      07:34am | 30/09/11

      The UK has become an absolute joke of a country, and has become increasingly worse in the past 15-20 years. The political correctness and over the top paranoia has become truly frightening.

    • acotrel says:

      08:39am | 30/09/11

      I was in the UK 3 years ago, and loved it ! -  France is even better !

    • Sony B Goode says:

      10:06am | 30/09/11

      Can I recomend North Korea….

    • acotrel says:

      10:26am | 30/09/11

      Or China ?

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      03:46pm | 30/09/11

      Nahh acotrel - you won’t like China - too much capitalism mixed in - for you it would take the fun out of having an oppessive ex-communist government -

    • acotrel says:

      05:28pm | 30/09/11

      @MadKat
      Just because China has developed a profit motive, that doesn’t mean it isn’t still communist ! The command economy is alive and well. Regulation and manipulation are working well for them !

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      06:56pm | 30/09/11

      acrotrel - and is it also working well for the political prisoners still being tortured in their prisons ??

    • B says:

      09:28pm | 01/10/11

      @acotrel

      Of course you would love it.  It has your particular brand of insanity.

    • HeatherG says:

      10:42am | 06/10/11

      acrotel, a friend of mine went to China 2 years ago as an English teacher.

      The economy is flourishing (mostly because of their communapitalist economy); the human rights abuses are appalling.

    • Flanker says:

      07:44am | 30/09/11

      Excellent article.

      As the Jesuits used to say , ” “Give me a child until he
      is seven and I will give you the man”

      I believe the extreme left is following this creed to the letter.

    • persephone says:

      09:18am | 30/09/11

      Um, and the examples used by the author are from the curriculum for upper primary and high schools, so the under 7s are pretty safe.

    • Erick says:

      08:03am | 30/09/11

      Unfortunately, education has gradually been replaced with political indoctrination. Remember that whenever teachers’ unions demand pay rises, or more money for schools.

      The good news is that the Internet will serve to undermine the brainwashing, at least among the more intelligent students. The bad news is that the federal government wants to censor the Internet in order to suppress dissenting viewpoints.

    • Sony B Goode says:

      08:17am | 30/09/11

      My kid related this story.

      Teacher asks, “Can anyone tell me what type of political system we have in this country?”

      Another kids replies “Rubish! absolute rubish!”

    • KH says:

      08:25am | 30/09/11

      Oh yeah. Lets pay teachers a pittance.  That will attract the good ones.
      How do pay rises relate to political leaning?  What are you saying - only right wing conservative twats should earn a decent salary?

    • acotrel says:

      08:43am | 30/09/11

      @Sony
      And what did your son contribute to the discussion ?

    • acotrel says:

      09:11am | 30/09/11

      @Erick
      Indoctrination has been widespread ever since Eddie Bernays wrote his books.  The corporations and even the spin doctors in political parties use it regularly.  You need to teach your kids to become aware when it is happening, then it won’t be effective.  It is your problem, nothing to do with what’s taught in the schools !

    • persephone says:

      09:24am | 30/09/11

      Yep, I remember Howard putting up those flagpoles and making it compulsory for posters on National Values to be stuck on school walls.

      Great poster that - the pictures were of a New Zealand soldier and the quote came from an Englishwoman who pretended to be a man, so I’m not quite sure what values Howard was promoting.

    • Sony B Goode says:

      09:25am | 30/09/11

      acotrel, showing a bit of sexism there. I said kid, not “son”. Please review chapter 6 of the cutlural socialism red book, on gender neutrality.

      btw acotrel are you still waiting for our Komrades in charge to grant you more of other people’s money?

    • Pinkie Pie says:

      09:43am | 30/09/11

      @Erick

      Yeah, teachers deserve the crap pay they get. What kind of service are they proving anyway?
      And it’s so much fun when the parents call and abuse the teacher for daring to fail Little Johnny who never turned in assignments.

    • acotrel says:

      10:19am | 30/09/11

      @Sony
      ‘btw acotrel are you still waiting for our Komrades in charge to grant you more of other people’s money? ‘

      It’d make a nice change from paying taxes at a higher rate than most people !

    • PTom says:

      11:37am | 30/09/11

      @Erick,
      “The good news is that the Internet will serve to undermine the brainwashing”

      Only if NBN is rolled out, but everyone tells me the LNP will be in and they will rollback.

      Then you need to teach kids multi-source or else you get the Bolt.

    • Erick says:

      12:18pm | 30/09/11

      @PTom - “Only if NBN is rolled out”

      Nope. We already have the Internet, and we’re going to have more, regardless of whether the government invests in it or not. Demand creates the infrastructure.

      @PinkiePie - “Yeah, teachers deserve the crap pay they get.”

      No, I’m saying they *don’t* deserve the pay they get. Not as long as they are performing political indoctrination, instead of teaching.

    • Diogenes says:

      01:35pm | 30/09/11

      @erick

      good news is that the Internet will serve to undermine the brainwashing…

      errr no. As an ICT teacher (1st year out after 30 years in industry) the kids have become expert at NOT thinking. Cut & paste (especially from Wikipedia) rules - ask them to explain what they have cut & paste - blank looks.

      As for indoctrination ... that depends on the KLA and teacher

    • Erick says:

      02:53pm | 30/09/11

      Darn it, Diogenes, stop undermining my arguments!

      Fair enough, most of the younger kids will just copy & paste whatever they see. But I’m speaking mainly of the older kids, graduates, and adults who emerge from the system to look around and seek their own ground.

      If this applied to everyone, I wouldn’t need to object to educational indoctrination, since it would be self-correcting. But there are too many people who just accept whatever their teachers tell them.

      This is why we need a balanced curriculum, and good teachers who value critical thinking above ideological conformity.

    • Ben says:

      03:16pm | 30/09/11

      @ KH
      We could have performanced based pay for teachers so that the good ones get paid what they’re worth and the bad ones.. well, they would get paid what they’re worth as well.

      The only problem is that the teacher’s union (which I understand you are forced to become a member of in order to organise your placement for at least some Australian universities) fiercely opposes it. Nothing like a trade union to perpetuate mediocrity and discourage any sort of pursuit of excellence.

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      03:55pm | 30/09/11

      PTom - pretty sure I don’t have to wait for the NBN to get my information - actually pretty sure - let me check - yeap - I’m on the internet now -

      Diogenes - why don’t you just fail acts of plagarism - this will stop them doing it - or is it not PC to fail students for this -

    • PTom says:

      04:46pm | 30/09/11

      @Erick
      We do not all have the internet.
      If demand creates the infrastructure, why are people complaining about the lack of access to cheap High Speed internet. Do you really think the demand has not been there?

      We have had HFC rolled out to only a few suburbs, fibre to home has been even more limited but both are old techonolgy (10+ years in market). It has been more about what companies can charge before the need to upgrade. It has nothing to do with demand .

    • Fiddler says:

      08:08am | 30/09/11

      you’ve got to give it to the Gillard government (sorry Brown government) they are determined….. to fuck everything they can up. Why the silence from the teachers federation? Oh I forgot, they are even leftier (did I just make up a word) than she is. Still remember having teachers year after year trying to cram white guilt down my throat, which ironically left most of my contemporaries completely mistrustful of the left

    • acotrel says:

      09:04am | 30/09/11

      @Fiddler
      ‘you’ve got to give it to the Gillard government (sorry Brown government) they are determined….. to fuck everything they can up. ‘

      Do you mean the Wayne Swann economic management government   /  Kevin Rudd international relations government / Julia Gillard better education government ?

      I suggest you’ve constructed a lie !

      Just because Tony Abbott does it, you seem to believe that anyone can get away with it ?

    • PTom says:

      11:48am | 30/09/11

      Which State government would they have been?

      If I remember correctly Howard was the first to interfere with a national curriculum when he was trying to bring in History lesson that only talked about English settlement in Australia.

    • Fiddler says:

      12:07pm | 30/09/11

      @Acotrel, yes. I am still awaiting to see the benefits of this. Mining and savings got us through the GFC, nothing else. As for international relations they really haven’t changed in the past four years. I would suggest that it is an apolitical issue, the countries that like us will continue, those that don’t won’t no matter who is at the helm.

      As for the education, well I do agree with the myschools website but I remember my kids telling me how teachers were “encouraging” some of the lower performing kids in their year to have a day off when NAPLAN was on.

    • Joan Bennett says:

      08:15am | 30/09/11

      Teach the history of climate change, please!  The massive global warming that melted the ice ages, would be of particular interest…

    • acotrel says:

      08:57am | 30/09/11

      Teach them the rudiments of thermodynamics !

    • Andrew says:

      08:16am | 30/09/11

      I have to say I found this article disappointing both as a historian and as someone who was recently a teacher (I gave it up because I found that in order to be as good as I wanted to be I needed to basically have no life, a young good teacher usually works 8-3 and then spends a couple of hours after work preparing for the next days lessons). The use of school curriculums as a way of attempting to mould students into citizens that suit the current Australian government is hardly a Labor only idea, have we really forgotten about Howard’s attempts to create a ‘positive’ view of Australian history in our children? ALL curriculums world-wide attempt to mould the students into what the author considers to be ‘model citizens’, to imply that this is a unique case because you disagree with it seems disingenuous to me.

      Additionally, whilst I agree with you that the curriculum is flawed, I think your statements that race sensitivity has gotten to the point that students can’t even express ideas of racial difference is contradictory to every study I’ve read and experience I’ve had. Racism and racial segregation (self enforced by the students) is rampant in a large number of schools, with students from different ethnic backgrounds often rarely mixing and having incredibly racist attitudes. Not even teachers manage to escape racial influences, I read a study which showed that Asian students that had weaker academic ability often received far less attention from their teachers who just ‘assumed they were smart’ because they were Asian.

      Lastly, the idea that any curriculum can provide a holistic view of history is patently ridiculous, there are always going to need to be choices made as to what is studied. Traditionally, there has been an extremely Eurocentric bias in school curriculums that has focused on the history of Europe to all else. A case in point is the so-called ‘dark ages’, which are used as a global term despite the fact that Asia was flourishing. On the issue of teaching the enlightenment as opposed to the civil rights movement, I would argue that the students will find it harder to understand (the sources), harder to relate to, and will be less interested in it.

      This could have been a great article on a worthy topic (the curriculum should always be a point of discussion in society, I’m more then happy for people to disagree with EVERYTHING I’ve said here. The best thing we can do for our students, in my opinion, is to show them alternative views and teach them to think for themselves, which to be fair many teachers attempt already) However, your political motivations in writing it and overblown statements ruined any credibility that it might have had for me. Next time, kindly leave your partisan politics at the door and just engage with the material in a constructive and positive way.

    • marley says:

      08:52am | 30/09/11

      I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing to have a somewhat Eurocentric take on history, since a goodly part of what we are today derives from Europe - our political institutions, our concepts of human rights, our legal structures and much of modern science trace their development back to Europe. 

      That is not to say that kids don’t also need to be able to place all of these things within a global context and to understand the beauty and complexity of other histories and cultures. 

      And of course, Australian kids need to know the history of this country, including the history of aboriginal peoples, to understand how all the pieces fit together into modern Australia.

    • acotrel says:

      08:52am | 30/09/11

      @Andrew
      ‘(I gave it up because I found that in order to be as good as I wanted to be I needed to basically have no life, a young good teacher usually works 8-3 and then spends a couple of hours after work preparing for the next days lessons). ‘

      Do you realise that some of the real workers, actually do 8 hours per day in their jobs, drive an hour each way,  then attend night school for up to 15 hours per week, and then spend their weekends, and holidays doing assignments.  They study subjects which they assume that their teachers have checked for relevance in our modern society

    • Adam says:

      09:11am | 30/09/11

      @acotrel: Are you suggesting that teachers are not “real” workers? Little wonder that your comments on articles that inevitably boil down to the “left vs. right” debate tend to degrade down to simple name-calling and other childishness. Teaching is a wonderful profession, and in my opinion one of the least appreciated, and least supported of all professions. This is particularly shocking as our children spend over a decade in direct contact with them during their formative years.

      It’s just so quick and easy these days to blame everything on teachers being poor, when that is just simply not the case. If many “real workers” were able to perform to the same standard, using the limited funds, materials, time, and workspace that teachers did, then they would be demanding more pay and improved conditions too, but may also learn some respect for one of the most important professions in the nation.

    • centurion48 says:

      09:15am | 30/09/11

      @Andrew: Thank you for your input. When I completed secondary school there was no world outside Europe. Perhaps the current draft curriculum needs some adjustment but history has to include countries in Asia, Africa and the Americas. These days I see students finishing high school with no idea about how democracy works (amongst all the other life skills they are blissfully unaware of) so I wonder if things have really improved or not.
      Whilst I like the concept of a national curriculum, I do worry that having a monopoly on what is to be taught is fraught with danger because of political interference. A single curriculum will never please everybody and state-developed curricula will also be deficient. I just wonder why it is so hard to develop an apolitical and multi-partisan education system.

    • acotrel says:

      09:28am | 30/09/11

      @Adam
      Where are you going to get a job when the NBN provides interactive education over the web ?  Just like the real workers, a lot of teachers will become redundant ?  We’ll have Barbie doll presenters doing your job !

    • AdamC says:

      09:50am | 30/09/11

      Andrew, I simply can’t agree with you.

      Firstly, your defence of history curricula ignoring the enlightenment, for example, is very weak. History teachers’ obsession with teaching historical skills such as assessing primary source material has been widely criticised. People who aren’t academic or professional historians don’t need to pore over ancient documents, they need to understand historical events and ideas and critically assess how they affected society then, and today.

      And, not only is your defence of ignoring ‘Eurocentric’ (eugh, tacky neologism fail) history wrong, it is also insincere. Left-wing curriculum framers don’t downplay the role of Europe in creating the modern world because it has been somehow overstated previously. They ignore it because they resent its manifestly enormous influence. (Totalitarian educationalists are pernicious, but they are not stupid, after all.) To take a phrase from a Simpsons episode, it is a matter of ‘dead white make bashing’, not correcting the record.

      Secondly, your ‘pox on both their houses’ criticism is unfair. Quite frankly, equating the right’s willingess to indoctrinate children through education to the left’s is like arguing that a payground puddle contains the same volume of water as Sydney Harbour. It’s ridiculous, the two are simply of different orders of magnitude. Indeed, you seem to be trying to characterise a necessarily political, but quite restrained, article as a partisan diatribe by putting John Howard’s unrelated words into the author’s mouth.

    • Andrew says:

      09:52am | 30/09/11

      @ Marley: I agree with you Europe is important but I find that many historians focus on it to the exclusion of all else. This gives them a slanted view of history which tends to marginalise the accomplishments of other parts of the world (and, I think, leaves them ill-equipped to deal with the ‘Asian century’ that many believe is upon us).

      @acotrel: Work a mile in their shoes acotrel, then see if you feel the same way. Also your statement that some ‘real’ workers work and then take night school is irrelevant as they are choosing to take on that extra workload for their improvement, a noble goal but hardly PART of their job. Relevance is subjective and VERY much in the eye of the beholder. The assumptions in your statement are really quite ridiculous, here is how my day went: I’d get up at 6:30 to get on a 7am train, spend my hour long trip to the school looking over my lessons for the day, I would then teach from 8:30 till 3. I would then head home, doing more work on the train. That night I would spend hours planning the next days lessons and looking over student’s drafts for assignments. I would then collapse into bed exhausted, wake up and repeat. Good teaching pretty much involves doing your job twice when you start off, you plan it at night and then do it during the day. This apparently goes on for 10-15 years, until you have enough of a back-log of lessons and experience that you can do it mostly off the cuff. I found teaching both rewarding and frustrating (spending an hour going over an assignment draft only to have the student ‘lose’ the draft you gave back and hand in an unchanged assignment which gets a D is EXTREMELY frustrating and sad). I don’t see why you seem to think I’ve got any stake in lying or exaggerating the workload, I LEFT the profession. I’m now gainfully employed in a job for comparable pay and much less extraneous work.

      @Adam, I agree that the profession is MASSIVELY under-appreciated for the work they do. Unfortunately, because of a lack of pay, respect, and conditions only two types of teachers tend to stick with the field: those who do the bare minimum of work, and those that love the work and do it for the satisfaction. The latter tend to get tarred with the same brush as the former, but even many of the former started off as idealists and have just been run down over the years.

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      04:08pm | 30/09/11

      marley says:08:52am | 30/09/11 “I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing to have a somewhat Eurocentric take on history, since a goodly part of what we are today derives from Europe - our political institutions, our concepts of human rights, our legal structures and much of modern science trace their development back to Europe” - are you absolutely sure - I think you’ll find most it actually came from the middle east. Democracy didn’t originate from Greece it originated from the ancient middle eastern countries. The middle east also invented our number system, alot of writing on human rights also came from the middle east. Alot of ancient thinking started in Sumeria, Mesopotomia and the like and moved to Greece from there. Even Christianity, Judism and Islam started in the middle east. Then you’ve got the ancient Egyptian influence on the west. Look at the Library of Alexandria and the inventions from Alexandria. I could go on and on and on. But then I could start on the inventions from China and the maps that came from that country that facilitated western exploration of the world. Really I could go on and on and on.

    • marley says:

      07:18pm | 30/09/11

      @MadKat - oh, I’m not saying that other cultures and societies didn’t have notions of democracy, science and mathematics of their own.  Nor am I suggesting that Europe didn’t borrow, steal or absorb the ideas of those other cultures.  What I am saying is that our current understanding of democracy, human rights, and law derives directly from Europe and not from India or China or MesoAmerica. 

      We can’t understand our parliamentary democracy without knowing something of its evolution in England. Likewise, we can’t understand our legal system without knowing about the development of common and statutory law there.  Many of our values are products of the English Civil War, the American and French Revolutions and the Enlightenment.  The first modern welfare system was German.  Social democracy and communism are late 19th/early 20th century European concepts.

      The scientific method has ancient roots, not least in the Islamic world, but it emerged in more or less its current form in Europe, with the work of both philosophers like Descartes and scientists like Newton to take it forward.  And certainly, modern medicine is largely a European (and Amercan) concept. 

      So, to me, to understand the world we actually live in, we need to look to the immediate past.  And that mean Europe to a great extent.  Beyond that, of course one looks to the roots of European civilisation, all in the Middle East, and to other civilisations which had an impact on Europe - China, India, the Ottoman Empoire, America. 

      But you can’t understand where we are without understanding our European roots.  That’s all I’m saying

      BTW, so far as I remember, the library at Alexandria was primarily Greek, not Egyptian, in its inspiration, and also in much of its content. 

      Incidentally, if I remember my history, the library at Alexandria was not really Egyptian but Greek - it was a collection of works from the various countries with which the Egyptians traded at the time, but the influence was strongly Greek.

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      11:09am | 02/10/11

      marley - this is where we’ll have to agree to disagree - I think its re-writting history to leave out the contributions of ancient cultures. To teach only Eurocentric modern history in schools is dangerous and teaches children a sense of European world superiority. What you’re saying and wanting to teach is if it isn’t modern and it isn’t European history than it’s irrelevant.

      Teaching only Eurocentric modern history misses the point. Children will grow up only knowing half stories of history which turn out to be untruthful. Take for instance democracy. Most people believe it started in Ancient Greece when it didn’t. Isn’t it better for students to learn truths.

      Our history didn’t start in Europe and contributions to the modern world didn’t just start in modern times. You could say that a good part of what Europe is today derives from the ancient cultures outside of their own.

      Fair enough modern medicine came from Europe but what was the history of medicine before that - or isn’t it relevant because if it isn’t modern European history.

      It is necessary to learn all history not just modern history.

      “BTW, so far as I remember, the library at Alexandria was primarily Greek, not Egyptian, in its inspiration, and also in much of its content” - no much of its content wasn’t Greek - it was charged with collecting all the world’s knowledge and all the world’s knowledge didn’t just come from Greece.

      This is an example of Eurocentric type thinking that other cultures didn’t have anything to contribute and of which I’m against. Students wouldn’t know what contributions could be made by other ancient cultures because they would never learn them. You made my case for needing a deeper understanding of history in schools and not just an Eurocentric history.

    • Jane2 says:

      08:28am | 30/09/11

      Reminds me of my Yr 12 English topic. To my knowledge it was the first and last year that they had Justice as a topic as they ended up with thousands of students coming to the conclusion that there is no real justice, what one person sees as just another sees as unjust. Just want you want thousands of 18 yo to know.

      Btw, my strongest memory of History was my teacher in first day of Yr 7 making it clear that History is His Story, it is written by the victors/survivors and there is always another side to it. We were even asked to write a story from the point of view of an egyption slave to reinforce the point.

    • acotrel says:

      09:31am | 30/09/11

      @Jane2
      The Egyptian civilisation proved that capitalism is best, especially when the real workers are slaves !

    • Sony B Goode says:

      12:57pm | 30/09/11

      hard day trolling acotrel? take a break you might get RSI at your age…

    • RyaN says:

      09:09am | 30/09/11

      You have to be completely delusional to think that history isn’t just a political mouthpiece for indoctrination. The history of wars is written by the victors, history is so often distorted to defend those terrorists who all of a sudden became “heros” effectively wiping the slate of the innocent men, women and children they murdered so brutally.

      History is effectively a point of view and hence filled to the brim with bias, sadly we will never really know true history but then again we will never find true freedom either.

    • acotrel says:

      09:38am | 30/09/11

      @RyaN
      Some of us have had the advantage of talking to people who were there when modern history was being made.  The versions taught to the current political victims are often substantially different !  The old WW1 soldiers were very interesting to converse with !

    • marley says:

      09:39am | 30/09/11

      History is a lot more complex than that, RyaN.  Maybe at the primary and secondary school level, it’s the story of “victors” but when you get beyond that, history has many facets. 

      You get social history - the way it was for the average serf back in the dark ages, or for a cotton mill worker in the Industrial revolution;  you get the military history -battles won and lost; the political history - power, allegiances, betrayals;  the economic history and the cultural history.  You get the history of the victors but also the “revisionist” versions from alternative perspectives.  Read the history of Canada from the viewpoint of a French-Canadian historian, an English-Canadian historian and an indigenous historian and you’ll get a whole set of different perspectives.  Read the history of WWII from the British, the American and the Russian angles, from the official and the revisionist versions, and you will see all sorts of depth and nuance you didn’t expect.  It’s not one point of view at all.  And it’s ever changing, as well.

    • RyaN says:

      11:02am | 30/09/11

      @marley: agreed marley but one thing is certain, no matter who tells the tales, all have a healthy dose of bais and quite a few are just false.
      What this shows is that history is about the folk tales told by different people from different angles and rarely represents the truth.

    • marley says:

      01:36pm | 30/09/11

      @RyaN - yes, but if you read all the versions, all the arguments, something approaching the truth begins to emerge.  And, like science, history is never settled.

    • Cynicised says:

      02:38pm | 30/09/11

      Beautifully put, Marley.

    • RyaN says:

      04:34pm | 30/09/11

      @marley: so if I inject enough false history into the mix, the truth becomes what I want it to be?

    • marley says:

      07:55pm | 30/09/11

      @RyaN - you can’t inject “false history.” 

      The study of history starts with the basics - documents.  That can be things as boring as 300 year old title deeds from Germany or minutes of the British House of Lords or tax documents from Paris.  Latterly, records from the Nazi archives (very rich source of documents - the Germans are always very thorough) or census documents from the US or Australia.  These are all hard sources.

      Then you get into contemporaneous accounts of events, memoirs, newspaper reports, and, these days, twitter and internet accounts.  You sift through all of that.

      Then you look at professionals who have written books and papers interpreting what happened.  Maybe you accept that, maybe you don’t.  But you read it all.

      And if someone suddenly tries to interject a version of history that doesn’t match the primary sources - the actual basic documents - well, you can pretty much dismiss him and is efforts. 

      You come up with primary sources that contradict what we believe to be the facts, and then we can talk. Until then, all I can say is, keep digging.

    • Anna C says:

      09:11am | 30/09/11

      If this is a true indication of the new National syllabus well all I can say is god help us all. We’re screwed as a society. Some things should be above politics.

    • acotrel says:

      09:47am | 30/09/11

      @Anna C
      Nothing is above politics !  They intrude into everyone’s lives.  The main thing is to be able to recognise a load of bull !  Otherwise the scam merchants will get right up you ! Welcome to the real world !

    • persephone says:

      09:15am | 30/09/11

      So you offer a biased, hightly selective snapshot of the National Curriculum, where you search for the implications in the text to support your world view, whilst criticisng the NC for being biased, highly selective and teaching students to look for the implications in the text to support their world view.

      Interesting approach.

    • AdamC says:

      09:55am | 30/09/11

      “So you offer a biased, hightly selective snapshot of the National Curriculum ...”

      Pers, are you accusing the writer of taking his quotations out of context? If so, have you checked that he has or are you just making an assumption that he has?

    • Clint Walsh says:

      10:14am | 30/09/11

      This site is infected with Acotrel. It needs a commenter rating system desperately so that people can filter such a torrent of drivel.

    • Max, of Rocky says:

      10:28am | 30/09/11

      LOL, part of the colour.

      If he bothers you comment back to him.  grin

      Attack is the best defence.

    • Philip Crowley says:

      10:58am | 30/09/11

      Leave Alan alone! He’s just hurt that his beloved Labor party is not as it used to be.

    • AdamC says:

      11:34am | 30/09/11

      Acotrel and his incoherent ramblings are the white noise of the Punch. You just have to get used to it.

    • Sony B Goode says:

      03:50pm | 30/09/11

      Acotrel seems to get more and more unhinged by the day. Maybe he needs to get back into the workforce and do something productive.

    • ShamWow says:

      10:18am | 30/09/11

      I think we need to question what multiculturalism is.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      11:58am | 30/09/11

      I think it works when you stop needing to highlight people are different, when you are young who dont see someone as black, asian or muslim as different you see them as people, its only when you are a teenager that people seem to notice.

      The UK example he provided if not cherry picked isnt the best, but the UK multiculturalism policy is a shambles

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      10:47am | 30/09/11

      I think they need to put the following textbooks on the curriculum:
      Rise and Fall of the Great Powers- Paul Kennedy
      Ascent of Money- Niall Ferguson
      An Edible History of Humanity- Tom Standage
      A People’s History of the World- Chris Harman

      That is All.

    • Chris L says:

      03:52pm | 30/09/11

      What about History Of The World Part 1 by Mel Brooks?

    • Warwick says:

      11:50am | 30/09/11

      Surely no reasonable account of the history of the twentieth century should leave out the fact that there were two huge ideologies that competed for world domination - Fascism and Communism.

      Fascism was defeated in WW2; Communism, except in China and Cuba, collapsed under the weight of its own unworkability.

      When it became possible to see the state of things in the previously communist countries it was seen that these societies were governed by secret police forces, like the Stasi and the KGB, who ruled by terror; that the great bulk of the population lived miserable, narrow, poverty stricken, intellectually stunted and restricted and generally gloomy lives.

      It was seen that the rivers, lakes and soils were horribly polluted. It was seen that the people had become so corrupted by years of total dependency   on the all-providing government that alcoholism and other social evils are now reducing the average life expectancy, particularly in Russia, to something below that of many backward, pre- scientific third world countries.

      It is glaringly obvious that the centrally planned and totally unfree political systems have been huge failures in the competition with the relatively open societies of the West.

      At a bare minimum, this should be taught.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      12:38pm | 30/09/11

      ” that the great bulk of the population lived miserable, narrow, poverty stricken, intellectually stunted and restricted and generally gloomy lives.”

      Sounds a bit like the United States, 2011

    • Warwick says:

      02:16pm | 30/09/11

      What a waste of electrons you are. Like a particularly retarded ten year old

    • Kassandra says:

      02:59pm | 30/09/11

      I saw the old USSR, or at least Moscow and a couple of other places, and I had a brief visit to east Berlin just before the wall came down. I don’t think you have any idea how ridiculous that comment is.

    • nojoh says:

      03:38pm | 30/09/11

      Just returned have you?
      Have a good trip? 
      I’m sure they wouldn’t agree.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      04:18pm | 30/09/11

      @Kassandra- obviously you haven’t been to the United States lately…..

    • marley says:

      08:07am | 01/10/11

      @Shane - and obviously you were never in the old USSR or one of its colonies in Eastern Europe.  Whatever their problems, Americans have never had to queue for meat or go for a winter without green vegetables.

    • HeatherG says:

      11:05am | 06/10/11

      I lived in Moscow for 6 months in the 1970s.

      I visited the USA in 2008.

      You, sir, are an idiot.

    • Kelly G says:

      01:38pm | 30/09/11

      Anyone expected Gillard to get this done well and on time?

      Gillard is such a colossal failure. The ALP are becoming political pariahs of the worst order each day she still stays on, hell why not get Rudd back, the lesser of 2 evils.

    • KH says:

      02:12pm | 30/09/11

      She isn’t a failure.  The minority government is a failure, as it was always doomed to be, no matter who was running it.  One person does not a government make.

    • Sony B Goode says:

      03:47pm | 30/09/11

      Gillard is a fabian socialist, she is a failure by definition. She has earned every bit of scorn she gets. In fact people are overly tolerant of this prosperity destroying harpy, and her band of intellectually stunted marauders.

      I notice the smarter ALP pollies are now hiding in the shadows, trying hard not to be associated with this miserable excuse for a government.

    • PTom says:

      04:31pm | 30/09/11

      @Nicole G
      Like the States have nothing to do with it? Right, because it is not them that are implementing this

    • Against the Man says:

      06:23pm | 30/09/11

      KH are you clearly stating that by forming a minority government that was doomed to fail, Gillard willing f#$ked over Australia as she did Rudd for her own selfish gain? Well done for picking up on that key point.

      Anyone who blames the States instead of the incompetent Gillard is clearly in need of strong medication smile

      Today’s polls clearly show Gillard is not wanted by the MAJORITY!

    • baal says:

      02:08pm | 30/09/11

      @ Acotrel.
      The egyptian pharoahs did not use slaves. The latest evidence suggests they used salaried workers who lived in good conditions.
      The slavery myth was based on now decredited greek hearsay.
      Please check your facts please.

    • nojoh says:

      03:34pm | 30/09/11

      You need to read more of acotrel’s comments, facts are not his forte.
      His forte is Labor dogma, propaganda spewing tripe.

    • marley says:

      04:39pm | 30/09/11

      And bad punctuation.

    • PTom says:

      05:24pm | 30/09/11

      So Moses said “let my people go to lunch” and I guess all those egyptian that chaseed after the jewish must have been employment agent and not soliders.

    • baal says:

      05:53pm | 30/09/11

      @PTom
      I sense you are joking but I really want to add that we have never ever ever discovered even one piece of evidence to support the idea of jewish slaves in Egypt.
      The only reference is in a book of Myths wriiten by authors unknown.

    • HeatherG says:

      11:00am | 06/10/11

      Yes. I have always found it quite ironic that many people who call themselves atheists will use the Moses story to claim slavery in Egypt.

      While many parts of the Judaeo-Christian Scriptures can be used as a primary source historically, they can only do so because they have substantiation from other primary sources (and this is true of any source, not just those of a religious nature). As of this date, there is no other genuine evidence [apart from the aforementioned Greek hearsay] that there were slaves in Egypt, or that backs up the assertions in Exodus.

      This is, as everything in history, subject to change should new archaeology/evidence ever be discovered.

    • Cynicised says:

      02:18pm | 30/09/11

      I love history. I consider it’s study to be the most fascinating and educational pursuit, even just as a hobby. However, it is a vast subject. Humans have been around for a helluva long time, and everything we’ve done is legitimate history, not just in Europe, but world-wide. There’s the rub. What do we teach our kids at school level, which cannot even begin to be comprehensive? In my view, we should teach them a) the major world events and social upheavals and b) those events which have shaped the society in which they live today. In Australia that means a certain amount of European history is mandatory. Surely we need them to understand where our founders came from, what kind of societies formed our backbone, originally, including indigenous history, and follow it up with the story of immigration? These subjects should be the basis of any history curriculum. However, history or historical perspectives need to be taught in almost every subject, including science, where the implications or not of global warming can be discussed.

      Admittedly, all observed history which is recorded, (even some so- called primary sources) is subject to interpretation. However, contemporaneous to the event sources are the most reliable. Leave the kids to form their own views on how the event slots in to the big picture, but in the name of all that is holy, PLEASE teach them the major world-shaping events! Give them a framework to understand the world, but make sure they understand their own country first.

    • Soames says:

      05:12pm | 30/09/11

      Which school level?  One can’t alter historical facts to suit a present day curriculum, however tempting that already is.  It’s called ‘the history wars’, and will ever be. Children of specific age comprehension ought to be taught firstly, the history of our country, from scratch. Never mind political dressing up of the settler and police slaughter of aboriginees, the White Australia policy, granting of the vote to the aboriginees, the Rum Rebellion, and other nefarious behaviour, since this nation has been firstly a convict settlement. The history should not be separated by any opinion, otherwise it’s not history.  Where I part company with Cynicised, is the view that history is subject to interpretation. It is not.  “even some so-called primary sources’, is harmful to history.” That’s absolute rubbish. That’s conjecture based on biased self belief, not factual record or evidence. It’s not open to “interpretation”. You can’t “leave kids to form their own views….”. Firstly, they must be taught. Children will soon enough be able to form their own views, but it won’t be upon the factual events of recorded history, otherwise it will be equally erroneous. Children should not be burdened at primary school or secondary school, with anything other than factual historical records. The opportunity to from opinion on world events, should come at further teritary studies, when their minds are mature enough to do so with success, not subject to the danger of a half-arsed opinion from a history school teacher only a year older than his pupils. University level study can be the catalyst for those young adults who want to further studies on any subject.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      04:08pm | 30/09/11

      Surelky Multiculturism should be included in Social Studies and not, other than very briefly mentioned, as part of Australian History?The History of Australia began with the arrival of the First Immigrants from Africa: The people we call Aboriginals or Indigeneous. There are a few recorded instances of Australia being visited ever-so-briefly by the French & Dutch. Then the Brits came with their so-called “Convicts” - yes, men & women who mostly nicked a bit of food to feed their children - petty stuff.
      The Chinese, Afghans came & were responsible for opening up a lot of this country.
      Over the years we have had people from all over the world, more recently, thanks largely to the oft-reviled Malcolm Fraser, wonderful people who had skins which were Not-Quite-White.
      From the outset this country has been Multicultural - it took some accursed politicians to coin those ghastly words “Multi Cultural & -ism”.Having a multiplicity of races, nationalities was unavoidable. Just how many similar but different cultures did those First Immigrants bring with them? Then the English, Irish, Scots, Welsh, Chinese, Afghans came. The list is endless & is increasing almost daily. It infuriates me when I read people’s letters & rants about the evils of the make-up of Australia’s population. People point to the problems in the United Kingdom yet it was the people with their “Empire” who arrogantly told all those they now object to having unlimited right of entry that they were “British Citizens & under the protection of Mother England”. Australia was entirely different. We had managed migration not open slather.
      When we first came to Australia we came to Adelaide. We had relatives who were born here. narrow, bigots the lot of them. When we arrived & before we built our house we ate out a lot. We asked these clowns about places to eat in Adelaide of the 1950s. “Well, there are lots of places to eat in the city…BUT don’t go near Hindley Street (for those who don’t know Adelaide that street is, for Adelaide & SA “The Naughty Street”) for it is full of Wogs & “those sort of people”. The food in what at the time passed for “restaurant’s” in SA was abysmal so, of course we ran as fast as our skinny, under-fed legs could get us there!
      It is the multiplicity of races, creeds, nationalties which have made Australia the great place it is. Why have we got the attitude that is the envy of others “She’ll be Right”, Our almost total disresect for those “in charge”. We can, & do, talk, walk, eat, form relationships with anyone we like & if any stuffed shirt or blouse tells us differently today we simply hold up our middle fingers & tell them to “F#^k O&&” and mind your own business!”
      That’s what I love about the place

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      05:01pm | 30/09/11

      History is written by the victor, and so will forever be political.

    • marley says:

      07:24pm | 30/09/11

      Obviously, you’re not an historian.

    • sydneysider says:

      05:25pm | 30/09/11

      Politics does not know Right from Wrong.
      History thinks it knows right from wrong.
      You are wrong, Wright.

 

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