Meet Jackie Healy Rae. If Irish politics has a Bob Katter, it’s him. Like the member for Kennedy, he’s a rural independent and disaffected former member of an established party, who trades on his commitment to fighting for the peculiar concerns of his local constituents.

Your vote for an ice cream. Picture: Ice Cream Ireland

The parallels between Katter now and Healy Rae when he was first elected are as striking as their respective signature hats. The 1997 Irish general election produced a hung parliament in which the conservative coalition fell just short of a majority. Healy Rae was one of three independents who agreed to put old enmities aside and support the government in parliament. In return he extracted concessions for his constituents.

On the surface it’s all standard horse-trading, but there’s a murkier side that would be unwelcome in the Australian context. It has never been precisely clear what Healy Rae was promised in return for his support. And since 2007 Healy Rae has been propping up his old party again, under a deal which he openly says is none of the public’s business, thank you very much.

There is widespread dismay in Ireland at Healy Rae’s apparent power. At times he has claimed to have a direct line to the Taoiseach’s (Prime Minister’s) office because if he switched sides it could threaten the government’s majority. This was especially the case in his first term.

The chest-beating no doubt plays well in his local constituency but much of the electorate is appalled at his destabilising antics and the power he wields as a result of his deals with the government.

And they are secret deals. His own website proudly says: “Details of his agreement ... have never been made public, but ... covered several areas including jobs, roads, health and farming. One thing he could always rely on was a sympathetic ear from various ministers when he lobbied for the constituency.”

Jobs, roads, health and farming? Sounds like a lot. Was it a few thousand here, a couple of hundred grand there?

Despite the best efforts of journalists, nobody really knows, but if you want an indication of the scale of the pork barrelling, look only at what he claimed to have secured for a small town just last year.

A hospital.

They don’t come cheap.

There are questions over when exactly when it was approved, and it has been a local demand for decades.

But the absence of scoffing denials from ministers says much about the government’s need to keep Healy Rae in line. And lately he’s been playing up again.

He recently crossed the floor to vote against a stag-hunting ban. The bill still passed, but Healy Rae’s defection along with some discontent among other independents has sparked a wave of concern about the government surviving to the end of its five-year term, which finishes in 2012.

What’s happening in Irish politics - right now - is a signal lesson in how, even with support pledged, deals done, and intentions willing, a minority government can find itself edging towards collapse.

All politics are local and this is no different in Australia, particularly in rural and regional areas where established, hard-working MPs tend to hold their seats by solid margins.

But the localism in Irish politics is magnified by the system of multi-seat constituencies. This means there can be up to five incumbents - incumbents, not candidates - fighting for votes in any one area. Throw a strong local identity, like a mayor, into the race and suddenly everybody is under threat.

In this environment, local profile is everything. To update a punchline, if they think it will help them hold their seat, Irish politicians will attend the opening of an email. The former Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern, was known for drinking regularly in his local pub (he had a spot at the bar) and waiting outside his local church on Sundays to shake hands with constituents. Even high office in Ireland comes with no guarantees.

Thankfully Australian politicians don’t have to be quite as pathologically obsessed with local issues. If you’re the local MP in Australia, you’re the only local MP. This allows, comparatively, more focus on national issues, but the rule of defending your seat still stands and Ireland is instructive on the kinds of issues that can force the hand of a frustrated Independent.

Just last week The Irish Times reported an Independent from the west in the Irish parliament was threatening to pull his support because of health spending cuts in his region.

And this week the country’s biggest-selling broadsheet, the Sunday Independent, reported mounting concern in the Irish government ranks about the administration’s ability to serve out its full term.

The story is worth quoting at some length:

The Government has, in the absence of the three by-elections, a sustainable if makeshift majority. With the pledged support of 70 FF TDs [MPs], the Greens, the independent PDs, Jackie Healy-Rae and Michael Lowry, the Taoiseach only needs the support of one of his former TDs.

But there is an increasing sense of instability in the aftermath of the decision of two of its most embedded supporters, Jackie Healy-Rae and Michael Lowry, to cross the floor of the Dail and vote against the stag-hunting Bill.

This is certain to intensify if the Opposition wins the pending three by-elections, which would nullify the Government’s current de facto lead of 84 to 78.

(My emphasis - full story is here.)

All this is instructive for two reasons. First, for all the talk about a new spirit of co-operation and negotiation being a recipe for a more Zen style of politics, stability rests on a number of assumptions that simply cannot be taken for granted.

An unforeseen by-election here, a defection there, and – poof! – the government’s majority in parliament is gone.  This is especially the case when it looks like the next government could carry votes by one or two seats.

But second, to avoid the contempt in which Healy Rae is held by swathes of the Irish electorate, the details of any deal with independents who will prop up a minority government should be made public.

As the Healy Rae instance has shown, secret support deals leave a cloud of suspicion over both independents and the government they support. And if anyone reneges on a deal and foists an election on voters, they will have the information they need to pass an informed judgment and mete out their punishment accordingly.

And besides, voters don’t like shady backroom deals in the first place. Just ask the Labor party.

PS: If you want to see Jackie Healy Rae in action, here’s a video of his 2007 victory speech from the back of a truck. “Sugar daddy is back,” the compere says introducing him. Don’t worry about not being able to understand him, it’s hard for Irish people too.

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    • Steve says:

      07:18am | 24/08/10

      I love it when conservative journalists take the moral highground to warn us about those corrupt independents who are ruining their utopia of a one party (liberal) state

    • Taiabada says:

      10:05am | 24/08/10

      I live and vote in one of the three electorates and I can assure you Steve that the reason these guys get elected is that they are still seen by the electorate to be conservative.  They are not corrupt but only disaffected with personal issues - e.g. Barnaby Joyce - but they still pull conservative votes AND get the preferences from the other conservative candidates.

    • Drew says:

      12:59pm | 24/08/10

      I think it’s quite the opposite, the independants are avoiding discussions on policy and preferring discussions on stability. I wonder why? I find Tony Windsor’s comments fascinating on the topic. He is pushing the agenda that stability in government is more important than policy (such as the NBN). It looks as if Mr Windsor is justifying a vote for the coalition to appease his conservative base whilst backpedalling from the policies he has been pushing for the regionals (which are better supported by Labor). He is justifying not voting for his policy preferences by claiming that stability is more important than policy.

    • Sherlock says:

      07:41am | 24/08/10

      The best result for the Liberals is for Labor to form a minority government in a coalition with the Green and the independents. Katter is unpredictable and the other independents appear ready to completely betray the people that elected them simply to satisfy their personal animosity. Add to this that whoever manages to form a government will also have to contend with a senate controlled by the greens.

      That’s a recipe for disaster for either side so why not lend Labor contend with it.

      The Libs should let Gillard form a government then simply sit back and watch it implode. I’d give it less than a year however in that time it would

      1. Allow the electorate to confirm that Labor is incompetent as they thought they were.

      2. Show just how much the Greens exist with “the fairies at the bottom of the garden”  as opposed to being remotely in touch with reality.

      3. Expose the independents as the bunch of ragtag carpetbaggers they are.

      By the end of next year Australia will be desperate to rid themselves of the whole bunch and all of them will be so comprehensively thrown out of office that it will be decades before the coalition is seriously threatened again.

      Us NSW residents have lived through four years of a completely useless Labor state government. After the next state election I don’t expect to see another Labor NSW state government in my lifetime.

      Yeah being in opposition sucks big time but a year or so of the same at federal level in return for decades of good government under the Coalition seems like a good bargain to me.

    • DougB says:

      09:05am | 24/08/10

      Katter is not unpredictable.  Like so many people, you mistake his passion for his electorate and his country as meaning he is unhinged.  Bob speaks the thoughts that 80% of Australia are too scared to voice themselves.
      Now imagine if all politicians were as open? Hmmm.  Wouldn’t that make voting easier.

    • Steve Turner says:

      09:52am | 24/08/10

      Sherlock,
      You forget the power of the media. There is blatant media hostility toward Libs/Nats and Labor broken promises and stuff-ups were mostly buried during its first term. For instance insulation fires number somewhere between 180 and 220, but they are happening with no media scrutiny. Imagine, the dislocation and loss to say 200 individuals and families as well as the danger to life and surrounding properties and the massive cost not being important enough to attract media scrutiny. That no mainstream media will break ranks is instructive.This is news by committee.
      Julia will be massaged back to power and the utter dysfunction and spin will worsen, the great unwashed will be kept in the dark until it crumbles in a heap and the only remedy available is a return of the Coilition.
      Poor fellow my country.

    • Jason CR says:

      11:23am | 24/08/10

      @Sherlock,
      We have 2 parties who over a period of 5 weeks outlined their policies.  I’m not saying they are great policies, but that’s what we voted on last Saturday.
      How can either party then change policy to appease 3 independents and gain power??? 
      The independents should look at the policies put forward by both parties during the election and decide then.  If they aren’t happy to form a government, then I’m more than happy to head back to an election.
      If this is the case, I wouldn’t be so sure that the Greens candidate in Melbourne would be returned.  He only won on Liberal preferences and with him running across to support Gillard without any consultation has disappointed some Liberal voters… Make the most of your one term Adam.
      I’m with you though, let Julia form a basket case government and watch it implode.

    • Drew says:

      01:01pm | 24/08/10

      Au contraire, their policies are more closely aligned with Labor, but they appear to be backpedalling from those policies to appease their conservative base and push for a Coalition government.

      They are pushing the view that stability is more important than local policy. They know that if they vote with Labor they will lose local support despite their own views.

    • Rosie says:

      03:01pm | 24/08/10

      Labor can form a minority govt now with their 72 seats. They already have the Greens candidate on their side makes it 73 seats but will need the 3 Independents to make up their 76 seats. Julia Gillard has been negotiating with the 3 Independents from Day 1 but I don’t think she has or will strike a deal with them. I think she is stuffed not unless she ends up with 75 seats + 1 Green or 74 seats + 1 Green and get the 3 Independents to spilt because she will only need one of them to make up her 76 seats.

    • wayne1966 says:

      09:13am | 25/08/10

      Absolutely right, Sherlock.

      NSW has lived through more than a decade of useless Labor state government, though, not four years.

    • Brad Price says:

      07:44am | 24/08/10

      Not a realistic comparision or likelihood of repeat for Australia in the same situation. The difference being that we don’t have fixed terms. The one thing that will save us from this situation repeating.

    • Dan says:

      08:01pm | 25/08/10

      How would it save us? It won’t stop a hung parliament from occuring.

    • Old Clive says:

      07:53am | 24/08/10

      It is just a matter of time before we have Australian Jokes on the air, a great nation with an unmarried couple living in the lodge,[too afraid to make a commitment], next July we will have a party in the Senate led by a person who interchanges from Arthur to Martha, and evidentally the majority of his party follow suite. We will have a self confessed atheist sitting in Parliameny when it is opened in Prayer asking for Gods guidance and then getting to her feet shooting off her mouth in a dull monotone the principles of her humanist beliefs. If there isn’t fodder here for jokes then the Irish and the blonds have been victimised and should sue the world for victimisation. But there will be no more church doorstop interviews.

    • Dr Phil says:

      08:22am | 24/08/10

      Having a bad day Old Clive? Keep up with the medication.

    • Old Clive. MSA, MOTOAP, MWUTBSP. says:

      09:04am | 24/08/10

      My day will be O.K. but it is my great grand children that I worry about, we don’t get the government we deserve we get the government that the idiots of this country at the present moment voted for, presuming that the Australian Lying Party is going to get in. If sensibility prevails which is unlikely in our present situation and Dinky Di Aussie Tony gets in for get the preceding preamble.

    • Integrity Remains the Issue. says:

      08:44am | 24/08/10

      If minority grouping “independents” act on behalf of the Australian population in delivering government to a bunch of discredited, incompetent, money-wasting irresponsibles under the control of a scheming, self-promoting back-stabbing imposter, then Australians who gave their preference to local Labor candidates might be forgiven for feeling disillusioned and let down.

      If the Governor-General doesn’t already understand perception that her involvement in selection of a government may well constitute a conflict of interest, she most definitely should not be in that job.  As a member of the Shorten family, Quentin Bryce would have to be blind and deaf, or completely removed from the real world to be oblivious of the workings of the Labor outfit.  With family member Bill Shorten the hatchet job ringleader demolishing the previous serving Prime Minister in favour of the now failed Gillard being so close to the Governor-General, the public has every right to feel discomfort.

      It seems that Kevin Rudd had no monopoly on staff resignations because it was reported that Quentin Bryce at one stage lost 30 out of 90.  What the hell is going on with these people. 
      I’m thinking another election would be less time-wasting,  appropriate under the prevailing circumstances and everyone would be far more circumspect and explicit in delivering their verdict.

      As for the report that Kevin Rudd avoided voting booth pink batt electrocution victim protesters by changing his appearance to an alternative venue, and that innocent protesters exercising their democratic right were spat upon by Labor volunteers, well what a sparkling example these Labor creeps are to Australian youth.

      God save Australia, because nothing, nothing is going to save Julia Gillard and her conniving band of incompetent fools.

    • iansand says:

      09:52am | 24/08/10

      There is no discretion invoved, so what’s the problem?

      There are some possible scenarios:

      Gillard goes to the GG and says she can form a government.  The GG has to accept that, and appoint her PM.

      Gillard goes to parliament.  There is no “no confidence” vote, so she remains PM.

      Alternatively, she faces a “no confidence” and wins.  She remains PM

      Alternatively, she faces a “no confidence” and loses.  Abbott is then invited to form a government.  He goes through the same set of scenarios.  If he loses a “no confidence” vote neither can form a government, and we go to an election.

      In all those cases it isthe Reps that make the decision, not the GG.  As the GG has no discretions she is not required to make a decision that results in a conflict of interest.

      All this bleating about conflict is ignorant Liberal conspiracy theorising. Presumably intended to spook the independents.  I suspect it will be counter-productive.  It is the sort of alarmist, political bullshit that has reduced the standard of political debate in this country.

    • Integrity Remains the Issue. says:

      09:01am | 24/08/10

      Correction:  “Australians who DID NOT give their preference to Labor candidates…”

    • Brewster says:

      09:07am | 24/08/10

      Paul Coglan, I think redneck radio station 2GB is missing a potential announcer / host / shock jock. If this is your audition piece, you’ve got the job.

    • Joe Blow says:

      09:09am | 24/08/10

      Gillard is saying “there will be no secret deals” with the Independents?

      What a joke!!  Her whole career is built on secret deals, why would she change now?  The woman knows no bounds when it comes to taking us all for fools.

    • Boganomics says:

      09:10am | 24/08/10

      I am frightened to say that to me Bob Katter is sounding more rational each time I hear him say something.

      I’m not a Nationals or conservative voter nor am I an agrarian socialist (I’m a left-wing economic rationalist in the same vein as Paul Keating) but I respect what Katter has done and what he aims to do.

      We elect members to represent our electorates. We don’t elect a party to serve their interests or the interests of a nation (or union or big business or small business). If Katter can manage to secure some services for his electorate out of this then good luck (and well done!) to him. That his job.

    • Brewster says:

      09:23am | 24/08/10

      Absolutely correct Boganomics. If the liberals or labor had offered better policies and vision rather than spending the whole campaign sniping at each other, perhaps they would have secured a bigger slice of the vote. People like Coglan shouldn’t point the finger at the independents now just because the major parties failed in their attempts to convince the electorate!

    • AJagain says:

      10:14am | 24/08/10

      How easily bloggers believe the labeling that goes on in the media. Call someone a redneck enough times and the lazy reader will just accept it must be true without ever bothering to find out about the individual. Its a great shame because its these kinds of tactics both major parties resort to instead of coming up with useful policy. Thus we had Tony Abbott bleating “Great big new tax” - reality check was that it was unlikely to raise any - commodity prices arent houses - they go up and down and thus superprofits disappear in the winter period., not even the amount labor claimed in its revised down figures is likely, yet how many of you just gullibly accepted it must be true? Similarly (and thankfully) most people saw through the panic “Workchoices will be back” tactic that no one took too seriously. Yet an element did….Workchoices? Really? With 9 Greens senators? - Dont think so!

    • Warwick says:

      11:36am | 24/08/10

      So we have a parliament made up of members simply representing the interests of each one’s electorate. That may have been the case 500 years ago in England, but it is not the case here and now in Australia. In Australia, now, the parliament is ruled by the party (ever heard of them, political parties?) that has the greatest number of members/votes in the house. Katter would be an impotent ratbag were it not that the numbers are so close that he and his two mates are able to swing the balance in the house.

      If I dismiss Katter as a ratbag, does that mean I have dismissed as ratbags all those who voted for him? Well, firstly, remember that Queensland is the state that maintained Bjelke - Petersen in power for what seemed like forever, and secondly, Katter’s electorate is perhaps one of the most remote backwaters of the entire Western world. If you like, I am prepared to change my characterization from ‘ratbags” to “yobbos.” Or perhaps you would prefer “ignorant, self-important, parochial obsessives.”

      If you are a party leader courting his vote then you are obliged to be diplomatic and lie through your teeth. The rest of us are free to tell the simple and obvious truth.

    • Boganomics says:

      01:24pm | 24/08/10

      @Warwick
      I walked out of the room the other week when Katter was on Lateline thinking that he was just another irrelevant redneck with nothing interesting to say.

      However, I did hear him say some intelligent things - stuff like how the Coalition smashed rural Australia into the ground, the needs for services, Sydney (the feedlot) filling up whilst the bush cries out for people.

      I don’t live in the bush (instead Sydney’s Eastern suburbs) but I used to and I can completely understand what Katter is saying. I saw it in the 80s and 90s and it continues today.

      To dismiss Katter as a ratbag misses the point. You may not think that our parliament is a body of elected members but it is. That is what our Constitution describes (and it’s only 110 years old). Nowhere in our Constitution does it mention parties, PMs or anything like that.

      Katter is doing his job in looking out for his electorate. If Australians want to elect someone based solely on party lines then so be it. But unless their votes mean that one party has a clear majority that won’t matter.

      I think we’ll find these independents will display more rationality than we’ve seen from Abbott and Gillard over the last year.

    • Perfectionist says:

      03:34pm | 24/08/10

      Actually it was Windsor talking about the feedlot in the same lateline interview with Katter.

    • Dash says:

      09:29am | 24/08/10

      In New England only 8% of people voted Labor. In Lyne, only 13% of people voted Labor. More people voted for the LNP in all three independent seats! If any of these independents decide to sit with the ALP, they all deserve to lose their seat at the next election. For someone like Windsor to represent less than 10% of his electorate by effectively becoming a Labor minister, would be nothing short of a disgrace!

    • Brad says:

      09:55am | 24/08/10

      Pure Common Sense

      Anyone who thinks otherwise is in “La La Land”

      We are only seeing grandstanding, and it will happen until all the votes are counted.

      They will side with the coalition.

    • iansand says:

      09:57am | 24/08/10

      A different way of looking at it is that Windsor+ALP demonstrates a pretty significant anti-National bloc in New England.  I have no opinion either way, other than a strong belief in lies, damn lies and statistics.

    • bella starkey says:

      10:07am | 24/08/10

      Labor didn’t field a candidate in New England.

    • Dash says:

      10:22am | 24/08/10

      bella, News Ltd is showing the New England vote as: ALP 8.04%, LNP 25.39%, Greens 3.23%, and Other 63.33%. If, as you say, the ALP didn’t run then that’s an even bigger reason for New England not to become an ALP seat.

    • The Cold Truth says:

      10:26am | 24/08/10

      It helps to be rational.

      If each independent is able to extract major and tangible concessions it doesnt matter which side they are on.

      It should be a very quick meeting at the town hall.

      1.  The Libs won’t be able to get anything through the hostile Green senate

      2.  The Libs broadband strategy looks identical to the privatisation of mobile which was a disaster for rural Australia

      3.  I will be able to get a lot more you with Labor than with the Libs

      After 3 years of pork barrelling do you think anybody in the electorate will care about the ideological positioning of their member or the major projects he has been able to deliver to the constituents.

    • Nicole says:

      11:36am | 24/08/10

      @bella, Greg Smith,Country Labor 6,472 votes.

    • bella starkey says:

      11:58am | 24/08/10

      The country labour party had a candidate.

      http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionFirstPrefs-15508-135.htm

      (News LTD is never the most reliable source)

      Looking at those figures, the Nats only got a 25% share of the vote and almost no preferences, meaning that joining the conservative coalition would really only represent 25% of the electorate’s wishes.

      Windsor is famously anti-coalition as are the other two. How would joining up with them even remotely fair to the electorate if it means they would go against what they are know to stand for.

    • Jason CR says:

      01:03pm | 24/08/10

      @The Cold Truth, it certainly does help to be rational.
      Labor outlined their policies to the voters in New England,  Kennedy etc… and have a look at Labor’s poor vote there.

    • Randal says:

      04:30pm | 24/08/10

      How short is that straw that you are grasping at iansand???

      Obviously you had never spent any time in the New England/Lyne area, and Kennedy to a lesser extent, if you had it would be pretty clear that the most difficult task would be to find anyone who supports the ALP.

      The other argument against your assertion is of course preference flow, in 2007 64% if Windsor’s preferences and 58% of Katter’s went to the Nats (Oakeshott figures are not known from the 2008 by-election but it would not be a stretch to suggest they are similar) suggesting a clear statement of what these independents voters intentions are in regards to the side of the political pond they find themselves.

      On that basis it would seem a very short straw indeed!

    • Roja says:

      05:24pm | 24/08/10

      Also remember that these Nationals Independents may be conservative, but they also hate the Coalition Nationals and vice versa.  It was pointed out in lateline last night that if these 3 independents get a raft of concessions to form power, that will massively embarass the Coalition Nationals who in the past ten years have failed their supporter base.

      Throw this against the Greens in the Senate and the political stability you speak of coming from a conservative government are vastly overrated. 

      Not saying labor offer more stability, just that this is not a clear cut open and closed case.

    • iansand says:

      07:22pm | 24/08/10

      Randal - No straws are being grasped.  Quite the reverse.  I am pointing out alternate realities.

      Oddly enough, I lived and worked in the New England electorate for a year.

    • franksting says:

      09:47am | 24/08/10

      Paul, Seriously. You completely ignore the blatant crookery and “no skin off my nose” behaviour of the Fianna Fail party since at least the 60s throughout this entire article.
      Yes Healy-Rae is a bit of a muppet, but compared to people like Michael Lowry and Ray Burke, he’s an innocent abroad.
      Those guys are proven political thiefs - done for accepting wads of Cash from shady business men in order to slide through development deals and what not for many many years.
      Not to mention Ansbacher et al which kept Haughey and his scumbag cronies in power for a generation or more. Read Fintan O’Toole’s Ship Of Fools if you want a good view of sort of people who’ve been running Ireland for much of the last 40 years.
      At least Healy-Rae appears to be only getting things done for his electorate.
      That’s what ALL politics should be about, we are coloured here in Australia by the effective two-party state. Whatever you can say about Ireland - at least the electorate is better represented by the System.
      BTW, Healy-Rae is from a three seater electorate last time I looked.

    • Hector says:

      12:14pm | 24/08/10

      Frank, you’re absolutely right. Bertie Ahern was known to be up to his neck in dodgy deals. He was investigated but the mud wouldn’t stick, hence his nickname ‘Teflon man’. Of course he learned from the master - CJ Haughey.

      The Irish political system can’t be compared to current events in Canberra. Ireland might be represented by a better political system but unfortunately the same can’t be said for the people actually elected. For decades Irish people have had to put up with daylight robbery from their reps but every time an election comes around the idiots keep voting the same shower of crooks back in. It’s one of the reasons I moved to Australia.

    • Anjuli says:

      10:23am | 24/08/10

      @ Integrity Remains the issue—- My daughter worked within a state labor government health ministers office the boss left ,so she had to take on that job as well as doing hers without extra remuneration although there was always talk of it.Longer hours nearly a nervous breakdown, loyalty to her staff made her stay for 2 years when for her own survival she had leave. On the day she left after working 15 hour days and weekends on her last 3 weeks she left without a handshake or goodbye drinks. Her staff met up with her and treat her to a long lunch after wards they were so ashamed.That is what is going on with these people needles to say my daughter was sad to leave her team behind as she had always said what excellent people they were.Now they are going to advertise that job but linking the 2 together and calling it something else there by a car and $80,000 a year more than my daughter had.

    • Michael says:

      12:06pm | 24/08/10

      ...Aaaaand this is different to how people are treated in large organisations in the private sector how, exactly?

    • Brad Price says:

      10:48am | 24/08/10

      Joolya will not be Prime Minister, she’ll resign as Labor leader and Labor will be gone for a decade! Yay we won…....

    • stephen says:

      12:11pm | 24/08/10

      I’ll bet you a U2 concert ticket that moves are afoot to install the Governor-General’s son-in-law as Labor leader within 6 months…whatever else happens.
      No, make that 2 tickets.

    • Brad Price says:

      01:47pm | 24/08/10

      Just moved a step closer with Boothby moving into the Wilkie camp. 72 Labor , 73 Libs, 1 green and 4 Ind’s.

    • Jason CR says:

      04:49pm | 24/08/10

      Joolya resign???? bahahahahaha
      Politics is her life Brad.
      As for numbskull Oakeshott, can you imagine Rudd in a coalition government???  He couldn’t wait to tell Laurie Oakes about secret cabinet discussions involving his own team, let alone if he was a coalition minister.
      This is going to be a disaster and whoever gets in won’t deliver on their policies and just hide behind the ‘Independents wishes’ as an excuse..The voters are the big losers.

    • AW says:

      11:11am | 24/08/10

      Back to the polls, it might cost another 100 million, but at least we won’t be in limbo with a puppet prime minister for 3 years

    • hfur says:

      11:47am | 25/08/10

      Why would you presume that. Will you change the vote you cast last Saturday in a month’s time. I won’t. Why wouldn’t we expect to get the same result?

    • h says:

      11:15am | 24/08/10

      So you’re saying MPs should not represent the people who voted them in?

      You’re saying federal government HASN’T been ignoring the needs of rural constituents for the past few terms?

      You’re saying Katter shouldn’t take this opportunity to push his agenda, just because he’s an independent and comes from the bush?

      People have to stop thinking everyone from the bush is a stupid hick pushover and should sit down and shut up instead of thinking they have a right to be heard.

      Katter has been in politics for a very long time and knows exactly what he’s about. You don’t have to agree with every one of his views but he’s answerable to the people who voted for him in a way party politicians are not. In short, he is actually accountable for his own actions instead of being able to hide behind party lines and ride the coat tails of party-based voting. He actually has to get things done or he’ll be out.

      He’s from the bush, where you either get the job done or they’ll find someone else because they don’t have the luxury of giving people a free ride.

      The bush has been getting shafted for years and people should stop squealing just because policy might be influenced by the people who feed them.

    • Gregg says:

      03:01am | 25/08/10

      Don’t get overwrought h for most posts are just various thoughts on what could happen and Labor supporters hopes on the independents supporting Julia which they could well do if they thought they could get better deals from Labor for their three electorates.

      The trouble with that is neither of the major parties are really in a position to make outlandish promises for what sort of a backlash do you think that will create for the next election.
      It’ll come down to the independents getting a quick course in actions and consequences if they do not already know and as some have posted, all what happens for the next week or so is treading water and seeing how a relationship with either party will work until the final seats won is known.
      It’s right that they do take electorate considerations into account and they should determine whether they’ll get a better hearing through the Liberals or with Labor and it’s factions where they may have to learn the word ” comrade ” .

      At the same time, they should be astute enough to realise that the better position the whole country is in financially, the better it can be for country people and despite Labor claims of all of a sudden being great financial managers, we all know better.
      When push comes to shove, I’d wager a bet on who the independents will align with but it could end up being a split for all we know.

    • monkeytypist says:

      12:14pm | 24/08/10

      I think Ireland’s current malaise has more to do with the way that FF treated it over the past decade than any specific instability relating to Healy Rae, mad as he is.  We may have a two non-entities as major parties but we’re still doing better in that regard than the Irish.

    • nosthow says:

      12:21pm | 24/08/10

      What i would like to know Colgo is when are the Liberals going to get rid of their failed leader Abbott who wasnt even up to the task of defeating a weakened Labor Party ? This guy is a 100%  dud ! No policies and no vision for Australia is not a good look at election time Tones old fruit !

    • Jason CR says:

      01:40pm | 24/08/10

      nosthow, why do you say it’s a weakened Labor Party? Explain your comments.
      p.s - work is good although I need a holiday!!

    • nosthow says:

      02:14pm | 24/08/10

      @JasonCR - leaks plus the Rudd sacking Jason - Daffy Duck could have run a pretty good campaign against Labor given they had 3 weeks of the campaign lost to them- and still old Tony couldnt win ! The last 2 weeks of the campaign saved Labor Jason and highlighted once again to the Australian voter that Abbott had nothing to offer - then and now. No Abbott must take the full responsiblity for failing to win and fall on his sword !

    • Jason CR says:

      02:44pm | 24/08/10

      nosthow, the leaks were solely based around Julia’s personal opinion on pensioners and paid parental leave.  It doesn’t make them weakened, it makes them unstable.
      As for Abbott, I agree he’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but lets look at the facts.
      1. When chosen to lead the Coalition, they were a basket case. I thought they’d struggle to win 30 seats at the next election.
      2. He got rid of Rudd, not the faceless men.
      3. He won 13 + seats from Labor.
      4. No first term government has been tossed out since 1930!! 

      To come so close isn’t a failure in my opinion, but just like you, we’re all entitled to an opinion.
      Maybe I might have to join you with that champers that you were unable to uncork on Saturday night.

    • nosthow says:

      04:56pm | 24/08/10

      @Jason CR - but Jason the bottom line is he did not win - he lost. Even if he were to form govt now it would be a messy one where Iindependents and Greens strangle him. Abbott failed dismally to actually WIN Jason.

    • Brad Price says:

      05:53pm | 24/08/10

      @nosthow. No doubt a card carrying red ragger comment here. This afternoon is not going good for your “way of life” I must say.
      There is absolutely no way that Gillard and the unions would share power for any length of time other than to “be in charge
      ‘. The parliament would be marking time until she could call another election with any chance of winning. Remember the win at any cost comments of senior Labor personnel from days gone by, namely Richo.
      The Greens are taking your base and the only thing you have left are union heavies and those who want the state to provide a job for them. You lot are going out the door slowly, just don’t stuff this great country on your way out thanks!.......

      Oh by the way, take Hawker Britton with you. We don’t need that impost on public access to government either!

    • Jason CR says:

      06:00pm | 24/08/10

      A hung parliament is a loss?

    • nosthow says:

      07:52pm | 24/08/10

      @Brad Price - Brad sweetie - am only a retiree not even a party member so you have bombed out there just as you have bombed out supporting the BIG LOSER Tony Abbott ! Next guess Brad ?

    • stephen says:

      12:26pm | 24/08/10

      There’s something very fishy that the GG feels the need to seek legal advice over possible approaches by the main political partys.
      Now i’m not a super-snoop for intrigue, but I reckon she’s pre-empting a move for a major Labor re-shuffle. Quite soon, too.
      Think about it.

    • Roja says:

      05:29pm | 24/08/10

      Her job is to represent our true head of state, the Queen (gos save her).  The GG role is purely ceremonial and follows a very strict set of rules & protocols.  She just wanted to ensure that any conflict was declared, nothing more.

    • Louie Mac says:

      12:48pm | 24/08/10

      Whilst the experts say there is not a conflict of interest, let’s go back to when the GG was appointed - there is the conflict of interest.

    • iansand says:

      01:31pm | 24/08/10

      When the GG was appointed Mr Shorten was married to, or divorced from, the daughter of a former Liberal Party minister.  He married Ms Bryce’s daughter at the end of last year.

      The Liberal loonies working themselves up into another baseless round of conspiracy theories.

    • Nicole says:

      02:34pm | 24/08/10

      How very wron you are Iansand. Bill Shorten was, while still married, having an affiair with the GG’s daughter before she was appointed GG. So it’s not ‘The Liberal loonies working themselves up into another baseless round of conspiracy theories’ at all. It’s a fact. There’s your conflict of interest.

    • iansand says:

      02:55pm | 24/08/10

      Nicole - Of course its the Liberal loonies.  If you paid a moment’s attention to the conventions suurrounding the current set of circumstances you would understand that there is no discretion given to the GG so no area where conflict can exist.  Without discretion there can be no occasion for whatever mad conspiracy is bouncing around the vast, vacant voids inside Liberal skulls.

    • Nicole says:

      03:28pm | 24/08/10

      Sorry ian but I wholeheartedly disagree. There is a conflict of interest, therefore the GG should have nothing to do with this decision. Even she must realise this, otherwise she would not be ‘seeking advice’, would she?

    • Randal says:

      04:14pm | 24/08/10

      There is only one area were Bryce could potentially be conflicted, that would be in the unlikely event that the current PM, Gillard, asks for a new election rather than allowing Abbott to test the confidence in his minority government.

      In that instance it would be a decision by the GG to either dissolve the parliament and seek a clearer result from the electorate, or give Abbott an opportunity to test confidence in his government and that is what Bryce would be seeking advice on and in that circumstance she would have to step aside and allow the Governor of NSW to determine the decision.

      Personally, despite being a ‘Liberal Looney’ I have no doubt that she would make that decision without prejudice, but as we would expect from a judge or a magistrate faced with a similar conflict I expect her to follow protocol and the expectation would be that she would excuse herself from that decision to protect herself and more importantly the office of GG from any allegation of bias.

    • iansand says:

      04:21pm | 24/08/10

      Nicole - Perhaps, instead of shrill proclaiming, you could enunciate the conflict?  How will it develop?  Are you suggesting that she will not follow convention because of her daughter’s husband? 

      And if you think that seeking advice indicates a problem your bats have left your belfry.

    • iansand says:

      04:42pm | 24/08/10

      Repeating something earlier in the thread, to help Nicole gather her thoughts:

      There is no discretion invoved, so what’s the problem?

      There are some possible scenarios:

      Gillard goes to the GG and says she can form a government.  The GG has to accept that, and appoint her PM.

      Gillard goes to parliament.  There is no “no confidence” vote, so she remains PM.

      Alternatively, she faces a “no confidence” and wins.  She remains PM

      Alternatively, she faces a “no confidence” and loses.  Abbott is then invited to form a government.  He goes through the same set of scenarios.  If he loses a “no confidence” vote neither can form a government, and we go to an election.

      In all those cases it isthe Reps that make the decision, not the GG.  As the GG has no discretions she is not required to make a decision that results in a conflict of interest.

      All this bleating about conflict is ignorant Liberal conspiracy theorising. Presumably intended to spook the independents.  I suspect it will be counter-productive.  It is the sort of alarmist, political bullshit that has reduced the standard of political debate in this country.

    • Reg says:

      05:20pm | 24/08/10

      “The 1997 Irish general election produced a hung parliament in which the conservative coalition fell just short of a majority.”

      I like the idea of both the well hung parties falling about the place. Just thought it might appeal to you too Nicole. smile

    • Roja says:

      05:33pm | 24/08/10

      Nicole, the GG has no power that has been used in many many decades - our head of state the Queen has the power.  Remember the Queen, our esteemed leader.  The GG went for that advice as a PR exercise to ensure that the link was well known, as stated there are a strict set of protocols to follow with no discretion so how can there be a conflict of interest when there is no decision being made?

    • Paul says:

      01:31pm | 24/08/10

      Almost everything about Irish politics is corrupt. Healy-Rae is a joke but not the only one. The biggest joke is the electorate who insist on re-electing a cabal of crooks masquerading as a political party. In a civilised country where the rule of law applies, half the Cabinet would be in jail. Life is too short to live in this sort of nonsense and, because corruption is so rife in Ireland, I got the hell out of the place

    • Jason CR says:

      02:07pm | 24/08/10

      The Independents want to side with a stable government.  Maybe they can tell me who Labor’s Finance and Foreign Affairs minister will be as we still don’t know.  Yep very stable indeed..

    • Qusilus says:

      04:52pm | 24/08/10

      Of course the GG has discretion, she can appoint a caretaker prime-minister of her choice and call a new election.  I seem to recall there is already a precident.

    • iansand says:

      06:35am | 25/08/10

      No circumstance for the appointment of a caretaker Prime Minister exists.

      What do they teach young people at Liberal School?

    • Greg says:

      05:14pm | 24/08/10

      Given the way the vote went in New England and Lyne, if Windsor and Oakeshott go with Labor, they can kiss their seats goodbye at the next election. Given the state of the parliament, that election may be sooner than they think!

    • jim says:

      12:15am | 25/08/10

      What a small hospital for a town?

      Looks like I’ll be moving there!

      So lets weigh up the benefits.
      The small town gets a hospital and NBN, and the property prices are expected to rise because of that… AMAZING

      What a nice way to build a city

    • K says:

      11:24am | 25/08/10

      classic!  knowing about Jackie Healy-Rae, I was thinking of the similarities and googled his name and found this article.

      Most Irish don’t see hold him in “contempt” in any way - they just see him as a great local member achieving great things for his local area whilst wishing they too had a local member like him!

 

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