Green slip shows they’re no compulsory third party

Wayne Fehlhaber says:

06:27pm | 02/04/11

Mags :  The Greens demise is underway - the N.S.W.  election result bears out that fact.
It was once a party of tree hugging twits but the Loony Left have deeply infiltrated the party . Brown is way too late with his warning to the radicals , the damage has been done .
The Australian electorate has identified the Greens’s party to be riddled with left wing lunatics and the voter is none too pleased that they are governed by a hobbled Labor rump supported by lefties with a crazy agenda .
Worse , the electorate is now aware that Labor are being blackmailed with withdrawal of support if Labor fails to support their radical policies.

The Greens are destined for oblivion - thank God.

John A Neve says:

07:49pm | 02/04/11

Qayne,

“The Greens demise” if in fact it occurs will be a sad day for this country.
A two party system is only a step away from dictatorship, the electorate deserves the widest choice possible when selecting a parliament.

What this country needs is new ideas, new faces and a fresh approach,
there are many in this country who do not trust our current crop of polles.

Christian Real says:

03:11am | 03/04/11

Wayne Fehlhaber
I do not believe that the Liberal victory in New South Wales had anything to do with Federal Labor,but it is obvious that you and other deluded Liberals are happy and contented to continue to echo your diatribe and falsely claim it to be anyway.
The real reason I believe that New South Wales Labor lost was that they had become stale after 16 years in Government,and as with any long serving political party government, (including John Howard’s liberal Government) the voters opted for change.
And Wayne Fehlhaber, perhaps the ‘left wing lunatics’(the Greens) are a better choice than a radical far right wing party like the Liberals and Nationals.(History seems to show that Adolf Hitler was a radical right wing leader also)
The Wild rivers Act that Tony Abbott is eager to ammend so that his rich mining mates can mine, pollute and destroy the pristine wilderness and wild river areas in the far North are an example of how bent this right wing Opposition Leader is to destroy our enviroment and the natural pristine wild rivers system (no wonder Abbott objected to ‘climate change proposals’, he is an enviromental vandal .
Plus the fact that Abbott does not care about the enviroment,does not care about his mining mates destroying and vandalising the pristine wilderness and rivers in our Country, and I will add that he does not care about the Australian people, because the only thing that Tony Abbott really cares about,  is himself and his sole ambition of becoming Prime Minister.
It does not matter to Tony Abbott what he destroys and wrecks along the way as long as he fullfills his own dreams and ambitions of getting the top job that he craves for.
One of the main reason that I would never ever vote for Tony Abbott is that he is completely full of himself and he is absolutely arrogant and self centred.
Malcolm Turnbull was a far better choice of Liberal opposition Leader,at least he had morals, respect and integrity, which are three things that Tony Abbott does not have and perhaps will never have.

Bob Croser says:

08:55am | 03/04/11

@ Christian Real: I find it a little hypocritical when Labor supporters push the view that they are the protectors of natural wilderness and chastise their opposition for being environmental vandals. We in South Australia have only to look at our beloved Rann Government to shake our heads in horror as it allows Marathon back into the pristine wilderness of Arkaroola and encourages potentially pollutant industries to Upper Spencer Gulf, home to the giant cuttlefish. As with Federal Labor, their State counterparts are just as susceptible to the mighty dollar at the expense of our natural heritage and well-being as you would claim the Libs to be.

Wayne Fehlhaber says:

09:20am | 03/04/11

John Neve :  John , part of the reason the nation is in it’s current mess is the grip the Greens and independents have on the political testicles of the federal Labor government.
You won’t get the fresh new ideas from Greens and Independents because the Green push the lunacy angle and the independents push their own barrow.

Christian Real :  The threat of a Carbon Tax imposition on the Australian electorate had a *lot* to do with the N.S.W.result .
Former Labor Premier , Nathan Reece , stated that the Carbon Tax issue was ” biting ” in the seat that he represented . Most political analysts and commentators agreed that the Carbon tax was an issue in the election.

The wipe out of state independents in Federal seat areas corroborated that fact. The electorate was astute enough to know where they had to swing their ” baseball bats” .

Your suggestion that the leftist Greens would be preferred over right wing conservatives was certainly disproved in the result Christian.

The overthrow or ammendment of the Wild Rivers Act in Queensland is well supported by a large section of the indigenous community which puts you rather offside Christian.

Fifty percent of the Australian electorate disagree with your ludicrous claims against Tony Abbott and Gillards stumbling governing will soon increase that margin significantly.

Bruce says:

09:37am | 03/04/11

Wayne: Agree with your comments. The greens are a problem for Australia politics and both the Liberal and Labor must stop preferencing the greens. However, I do not agree that the greens will be destined for oblivion. Most rational people are beginning to understand the greens real hiden agenda’s, and hopefull by now so will the Labor Party. The greens will survive as a fringe party, much like the “shooters party”, there will always be someone that will vote for these parties, but hopefully not to many.

jf says:

10:33am | 03/04/11

Christian Real

“I do not believe that the Liberal victory in New South Wales had anything to do with Federal Labor”

Keep believing it mate. Hopefully you and your Labor mates will delude yourselves all the way to defeat at the next federal election. Sadly, I think that the Federal ALP leadership have learned their lessons from the last election: primarily, don’t underestimate Tony Abbott’s connection with their core support base, and Julia Gillard’s dis-connect with the same people.

“History seems to show that Adolf Hitler was a radical right wing leader also”

Apart from invoking Godwin’s law, history does not show that Adolf Hitler was a “radical, right wing leader”. He was radical and a leader yese, but he was the leader of a party called the National Socialist German Workers Party (the Nazi’s). The Nazis were anti-capitalist and environmentalists. The were in favour of favour of economic protectionism and large government. The Nazi’s were anti-democracy (and therefore necessarily fascist) like their socialist brethren in Spain and Italy, because their oppressive policies and agendas required it. You simply cannot run the policy agenda that The Greens run without acknowledging that they require an authoritarian form or government. In short, the Nazis have far, far more in comment with The Greens who’s policies are rascist (BDS and wild rivers), environmental at any cost, anti-freedom, oppressive and unrealistic.  Godwin’s law but thanks for bringing it up. Hitler, like the majority of dictators and despots before and after him, was left-wing in heart mind and spirit. 

“The Wild rivers Act that Tony Abbott is eager to ammend so that his rich mining mates can mine, pollute and destroy the pristine wilderness and wild river areas in the far North are an example of how bent this right wing Opposition Leader is to destroy our enviroment and the natural pristine wild rivers system (no wonder Abbott objected to ‘climate change proposals’, he is an enviromental vandal .”
Ironic that almost the whole ALP front bench are wealthier than Tony Abbott and that every single ALP leader have left politics as very wealth men despite being career public servants and politicians and having never, ever been involved in commerce or individual risk taking. Ironic that the over-whelming majority of incidents where politicians have been involved in commercial scandal and conflicts of interest have involved ALP politicians. Ironic that the people who are most against wild rivers are the poorest and most marginalized in this country: FNQ Aboriginals.

Get Real Dude says:

12:52pm | 03/04/11

@ Christian Real. Can I have some of whatever it is you are smoking? Seriously though, do yo have any idea what you are talking about. I suggest you go back and research the wild rivers legislation a tiny bit more. 

As for blind ambition I also suggest you reseach comments from the current PM on what she was willing to do to gain more power. She admits to being willing to do anything to get the top job and this is obviously what she has done to get the “prize”.

And of course you would like to see Malcolm Turnbull leading the Coalition, he is more aligned with Labor than with most Coalition policies. For you his elevation would be akin to “heads I win tails you lose” as there would be no viable alternate government for those of us who don’t want an NBN, don’t want a carbon tax, and don’t want more Labor spin, debt and mismanagement.

RobJ says:

12:53pm | 03/04/11

“John C says: 08:55am | 02/04/11
Have a bex and a good lie down, Alex.”

For John C doesn’t value honesty..

OK Mark Kenny, you’ve edited out the lie, where’s the acknowledgement? Did you believe the lie yourself or were you just content to proliferate the lie?

Seriously, as a News Ltd Blog I actually rated the Punch. Not any more.

Gordicans says:

07:35pm | 03/04/11

Politically naive voters?  Perhaps mags you are the one who is politically naive.  The propaganda storm re the Greens that you have been sucked into is coming from the Liberals, Labour, the Nationals, the Fairfax press, News Limited, and even the ABC and is due to the Greens threatening the of cosy established power structures between business, the political class and the media that have been in place for decades.

If you actually take the time to look at the Greens policies, they are reasonable, socially and environmentally progressive, and in no way extreme as the power elites would like you to believe.

Christian Real says:

07:09am | 04/04/11

jf
you say that history does not show that Adolf Hitler was a radical right wing leader
This is from Wikipedia:
Nazism(National sozialismus, National socialism,aleternatively spelled Naziism) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi party and of Nazi Germany. It was a unique variety of facism that involved biological racism and antisemitism. Nazism presented itself as a politically syncretic, incorporating policies from right and left wing ideologies,in practice,Nazism was a far right form of politics.

Christian Real says:

07:34am | 04/04/11

Wayne Fehlhaber
Regardless of your attraction to what Nathan Reece claimed, the fact remains that after 16 years in Government the New South wales State Labor party had became stale and was losing it’s traction with its base supporters,simply because it had failed to communicate more,and were out of touch with the people they were elected to represent.
A bit like John Howard and the Liberal/National party who were voted out after their 12 years in federal Parliament.
Nathan Reece wasn’t a good leader,and never should have been chosen to be Premier of New South Wales Labor at any stage.

Christian Real says:

08:09am | 04/04/11

jf
Even Malcolm fraser said that the Liberal Party under Tony Abbott had moved too far to the right, this story is from ‘The Sydney Morning Herald’ ;  “Former PM Malcolm Fraser quits Liberals”, may 26, 2010 AAP
“Former Liberal Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser has quit the party, allegedly over a belief it has tilted to far to the right”
And jf,  from the internet, Wikipedia says “that Nazism was a far right form of politics”
connection made

Doh says:

12:52pm | 02/04/11

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it is possible that Gillard/Hawker have leaned on News Corp to ramp up Green scrutiny to give Gillard ammo to distance herself from the poisonous Greens to restore Gillard’s falling support?  Is this weekend a polling weekend??

I would not put it past that crafty Bruce Hawker.

By the way, what are the resident Greens thoughts on being called extremists by their beloved PM??

CJ Morgan says:

02:02pm | 02/04/11

Quite so, Tammy.  The perpetuation of this untruth doesn’t reflect well on The Punch. We know that News Ltd has declared war on the Greens, but surely they can be honest in the way they go about it?

To assert that not allocating preferences is the same as preferencing Hanson is quite bizarre.

Peter says:

02:20am | 03/04/11

I beg to disagree, Tammy. At my polling booth, the person handing out “how to votes” for the Greens was telling people to vote Greens 1 and second preference the Labor Party.
They may not have made a formal preference deal, but unofficially they were directing their preferences to Labor.

Denny Crane says:

07:57am | 02/04/11

Mate I hope the jewish community takes you clowns to the racial discrimination board and nails your collective arses. You are nothing but disgusting racists who should be called out as such. You have the hide to sneer at Hanson but you are far worse. People are starting to wake up to you frauds and you will soon go down the path of the democrats who followed the same looky left ideals.

Enjoy your moment in the sun because this is going to be as good as it gets for you socialist bastards.

Dave says:

08:19am | 02/04/11

@ Alex - lighten up, mate. You sound like the typical far-left wing greens whinging voter who is perfectly balanced with a chip on each shoulder. Here’s some free advice, comrade. Join the rest of the world in the 21st century and give up your disgraceful blind hatred of Israel.

Oh, and as for your ‘threat’ to complain to the press council, get a life, loser.

Kurisu Sonsaku says:

08:27am | 02/04/11

Your confected outrage at the poor opressed greens has reduced me to tears…...............................

Of laughter

John C says:

08:55am | 02/04/11

Have a bex and a good lie down, Alex.

Doh says:

09:32am | 02/04/11

Did the punch hit a nerve Alex?

Harden the F^&% up, you deserve all the scrutiny you get.

GB says:

09:35am | 02/04/11

As I responded to you yesterday Alex, cry me a river. Who really gives two sh*ts about Green preferences? So it’s OK when Bob Brown gets on his soap box to hysterically call for Coal miners to pay the Qld post-flood clean up bill without a shred of evidence but when somebody writes a story that may or may not be right about Green preferences, you manufacture this confected outrage and threaten to report the author? Give me a break.

MarK says:

09:47am | 02/04/11

Isn’t it awesome how the far left run to courts, an ambudsman, a adjudicator, an offical to get satisfaction on a perceived slight.

But when faced with some guys going to work to do their legal job of mining some coal or cutting down some timber are happy to trespass, vandalise. endanger and generally break the law when it suits.

I call shenanigans. People get your brooms. Time for a good old fashion whacking.

By the way Alex make sure you tell us how the complaint goes. Can’t wait to see the outcome. How are you going to submit it?

1. On paper made from the murder of trees
2. By email on computers that run from the scourge of the modern society, electricity, made from the source of the Qld floods those bastard coal miners
3. Cycle in from the commune to the big smoke with Geiger counter in hand in case Japanese radioactivity has finally reached us to report orally….damn those tyres on the cycle are rubber and contain hydrocarbons….CARBONS OMFG

Inform me how to eco friendly complain to the press council you big fella you.

Paul says:

11:00am | 02/04/11

Does the Greens new BDS policy mean jews are forbidden to join the party?
Get a life Alex, or just wake up.

Ted says:

12:28pm | 02/04/11

Yeah! Alex. Why should we care about outrageously lying about the Greens. That’s just how we rightwingers argue politics.

We don’t care that the Greens didn’t preference Hanson and this article claims that they did. That’s hardly the worst thing we’re going to make up about the party.

We don’t care if the journos on whose words we gullibly base our opinions are lying to us, either.

Alex van Vucht says:

02:16pm | 02/04/11

State, in 400 words or fewer, the main thrust of your complaint.

Article 1: David Penberthy erroneously states: “To the enduring disgust of the Labor Party, the Greens chose to direct preferences to the One Nation founder ahead of the ALP, and she may now creep into the Upper House courtesy of their support.”

Article 2: Mark Kenny erroneously states: “- edging out Pauline Hanson which the [Greens] party had mystifyingly preferenced ahead of Labor, to its enduring shame -”

All Greens’ 93 How to Vote cards are here: nsw.greens.org.au/NSW2011/HTV

None of these preferenced Pauline Hanson ahead of Labor.

Neither author has acknowledged the error, nor corrected the error nor offered an apology.

Kurisu Sonsaku says:

03:38pm | 02/04/11

Tissues for alex on aisle 5.

Yet again your faux outrage and shrill squeakings for censoring of Mark Kenny’s article mirrors that of Penbos. If you don’t like it, too bad princess.

The ecoharpies are being held to scrutiny and you have the temerity to make threats you can’t support nor keep. Make your complaint, i welcome the chance for a third party to review your confected grievance. Threats do not make a debate.

Do it princess, put your whining in print & i’ll supply the beer & popcorn

Knemon says:

03:58pm | 02/04/11

Wow - I have a picture in my mind of you guys all standing around in your flannelette shirts with an axe in one hand and a chainsaw in the other - except that would be multi tasking which most of you would be totally incapable of.

Best you all stick to just playing the banjo…you can then all squeal like the pigs that you are.  - ‘Rednecks & Bogans’ is a good song to start with.

Interesting says:

04:58pm | 02/04/11

Say what you will about the Greens but Alex does appear to be correct. I was going to say the Group Voting Ticket for the Legislative Assembly lodged with the AEC must have preferenced Pauline but nope, this is NSW. A vote 1 is just that, a vote 1. There is no Group Voting Ticket and thus no preferences to be distributed. (Check Antony Greens blog if you’re unsure: http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2011/03/how-important-will-preferences-be-at-the-nsw-election.html)

The only remaining factor is what the Greens HTV card recommends and then how many people choose to follow it. As Alex says, there doesn’t appear to be a single Green HTV that recommends directing any preferences in the Upper House to Pauline Hanson (or in fact, anyone for that matter) - so now I’m curious as to where this “information” that they are (call it a lie or whatever you like) has come from.

MarK says:

08:47pm | 02/04/11

“Knemon says:

03:58pm | 02/04/11

Wow - I have a picture in my mind of you guys all standing around in your flannelette shirts with an axe in one hand and a chainsaw in the other - except that would be multi tasking which most of you would be totally incapable of.”

This was sort of funny.

Nah not really.

Can you guys from crikey come over with some good material. So far it is pretty much crap.

Thanks in anticipation.

(brb sharpening my axe and playing a banjo)

Gordicans says:

02:01am | 03/04/11

Alex, the reason for the lie is that the power elites don’t want their cosy little power structures upset by upstarts like the greens coming in and ruining the fun.  The right wing loons here may think it doesn’t matter that Penberthy and Kenny tell blatant lies, but plenty of people in society do care.  I am pleased you are going to the press council.

As far as comments about the Greens doing poorly in the NSW election, is that the sound of eggs being cracked as Balmain falls to the Greens?.

TimB says:

09:38am | 02/04/11

I can’t wait to see all the posters here who claimed Tony Abbott was running a “baseless scare campaign” explain this one.
You know because apparently Tony Abbott was spouting “made up figures” earlier (even though they came from Kevin Rudd’s original plan).

Now we see that the true figure is even higher, so it appears Tony wasn’t scary enough. So how about it Acotrel? Steve Smith? All you other gullible idiots? Prepared to admit Tony had a valid point yet?

Oh and don’t give me guff about compensation. Given this governments track record with managing complex things I highly doubt, they’ll be able to work that out properly. And as already stated it won’t go to everyone, just the ALP’s chosen few.

Wealth distribution at its finest.

Frankie says:

09:42am | 02/04/11

It may be time for a revolution, but I can tell you the LNP are not the answer. They are worse than labor.
Gilltard - that was really clever, did you come up with that all by yourself?

Chris L says:

01:13pm | 02/04/11

“And will the hard working middle class and singles be left out as usual?” - If everyone received gornerment support there wouldn’t be much left for anything else. I earn a fair bit less than the national average and don’t receive any government support and yet somehow manage just fine. I think this type of whinging is just greed and envy. Let the support go to those who need it to survive, not those who need it to help finance their next holiday.

Against the Man says:

03:40pm | 02/04/11

Chris not everyone is as lucky as you. some of us have kids, need to buy groceries, fuel for the car to get to work in a rural area, health insurance etc. We pay more than enough tax and when the cost of everything goes up there is a breaking point. Wealth distribution has its limits as well.

Let me wake you up to the upcoming reality.
1) Fuel to hit $2 /L
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/31/3178981.htm?section=justin

2) Interest rates to soar
http://www.smh.com.au/business/on-borrowed-time-rates-set-to-rise-20110401-1crjh.html

Both these factors alone will add $3000 extra a year to somebody’s yearly cost. What about the other factors? Than add the carbon tax of $800? So what an extra $4500 or more a year extra is what we have to pay? This isn’t good economics, this isn’t fair!

You might be well off but not everyone is in the same boat.

The great ALP screw job is effecting the MAJORITY!

MarK says:

04:09pm | 02/04/11

Remember these figures are abosolute best case scenario.

This is the minimum.

God help the economy when we give our cheap energy advantage away for a exercise in wealth distribution and sandbagging of ovtes.

Extreme she calls the Greens yet panders to this whim of theirs.

Liar and coward

John A Neve says:

05:12pm | 02/04/11

AtM,

Do you have trouble reading?  The link you provide suggests as many people support a carbon price as oppose it!  At this stage no one knows what the proposed tax will cost us.

Sadly AtM the only Australian(s) being “suckered” is you. As to the “childish antics” is this a refference to your “13 year old” again? Just what is it about young children with you?

Against the Man says:

07:29pm | 02/04/11

Thanks for posting John, love your soft cock answers. Really dude, post one link to just ONE of Gilltard’s significant achievement as PM. I’ve been asking for months

Why not take this issue to an election? It is a big enough issue? It does affect all Australians. But is seems you and some of your ALP friends lack integrity and courage, how sad. The NSW elections must have scared you guys huh? Well the people, sorry the majority of people are not happy with a carbon tax, I believe the MAJORITY will teach Gilltrad and friends a very interesting lesson.

Seems you seem to be a big fan of low morals Gilltard, remember to play it safe on your ‘holidays’ buddy HaHa!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve Smith says:

03:20am | 03/04/11

Tim B
Like lack of Morals, Respect and integrity, Tony Abbott will never have a valid point either.
The Liberal/National party erred, by dumping Malcolm Turnbull as Leader, they dumped the only person in their party that had Respect, Integrity and Morals.

TimB says:

07:39am | 03/04/11

So no proper response from you Steve, just your baseless opinion.

Tony was right, and you were wrong. Way wrong. Cheers.

Against the Man says:

09:00am | 03/04/11

Update:

1) Okenshotthimselfinthefoot is blaming radio DJs for his electorate backlash and not his terrible decision to side with the hopeless Gilltard. Really man do you thing all Australians are idiots?

2) Labor ministers/MPs want details on the carbon tax. Really guys do you expect details from the incompetent and hopeless Gilltard?

Looks like the ALP losers just don’t have a leg to stand on. The Federal ALP has lost its way and gone as feral as a retarded, inbred, brain-damaged, demented dingo on drugs. It is time for change. Let the revolution begin. Game over, John A Nervous and TChongy…........

John A Neve says:

05:43pm | 03/04/11

AtM,

Surprise, not, I see you are back to your old favourite “soft cock answers”, is that why you like “13 year old”?

I note you still have not told us what grade you are in at school ashamed are we?

Come on AtM, lift you game you are boring.

Against the Man says:

06:04pm | 03/04/11

Wonderful John, love it when you give me ammo

I’ve hit the nail on the head and I’ve hit a nerve I see. You are on the run like Gilltard, you can’t counter my points and resort to the calling me childish.

So you are saying a child can out smart you?

Only John A Neve can screw himself on The Punch, Bravo and please continue, we can’t wait to see your next pointless answer. No wonder the ALP is on the losing side, with employees like you what can they expect!

john says:

08:19pm | 03/04/11

@ Against the Man “Once again Australians have been suckered in and screwed by the ALP aka the self serving party.”

110% right, that’s why the NSW voters kicked out labor. 8-9 seats shy of being deregistered as a party.

Australia is sinking into debt, at this rate we might end up like Europe or US, the ALP needs carbon tax to fund its over the top spending projects like the white elephant, the NBN, and to pay for its bribe promises to the independents for their support.  To buy more military planes to replace our junk, and replace the navy rust buckets, and upgrade our military before someone realises we are defenceless.

Its got nothing to do with carbon crap thingy. If anyone thinks the labor government is going to collect all this tax to build utopian solar array power stations etc is wearing rose coloured glasses.

L. says:

07:47am | 02/04/11

You do realise that one can criticise the political policies of Israel without being anti-Semitic..??

Nowhere did the Greens say Israelis are bad simply for being Jewish..

greg says:

08:10am | 02/04/11

the anti semitism claim needs to be put in context, as the member was in area with quite alot of muslims so the messages against jewish companies was some thing that will help win votes

Doh says:

09:37am | 02/04/11

@greg

So what your saying is that Lee inciting, encouraging and pandering to the antisemitism of her constituents does not constitute antisemitism on her part?

Riiiight….....

MarK says:

09:49am | 02/04/11

Oh I see that makes it fine.

Lots of muslims so bash the jews is fine.

Got it.

Going out now to howl at the moon and contemplate eugenics as not such a bad idea after all.

Richard says:

10:05am | 02/04/11

I’m sorry but anti-semitism, or anti-zionism as its cutely called, has no place in modern Australian society, no matter how many muslims live here. Anyone promoting anti-semitic racist government policies, even if its just a bunch of two-bit local councilors, needs to be tried and convicted and thrown into jail for 3 years. Anti-semitism has caused so much evil in the past, I would have hoped we could learn our lesson by now.

Marilyn Shepherd says:

11:35am | 02/04/11

Your ignorance is amazing.  The European jews of Israel are squatters in semite Palestine.  Jews are not the only semites on the planet but they have abducted the word to themselves as they have abducted Palestine to themselves.

It is not theirs, it has never been theirs and it will never be theirs.

Anymore than Australia was terra nullius when the poms came.

Why on earth objecting to Israeli policies is anything to do with anti-semitism though is beyond me,  but wait, many of Abbott’s little friends at his silly rally are anti-jews.

Australia’s delusional belief that Israel is in the right or that we owe them some debt is beyond me.  It is the Palestinians who helped us in two wars and continue to nurture the graves of our war dead while it is the Israeli’s who bomb them.

Now do grow up you childish brats.

Bibi the clown is now got the gall to demand the UN act against people trying to run the illegal blockade of Gaza.

Talk about gall.

greg says:

12:24pm | 02/04/11

hang on minute what do you expect from muslim people on thier attitude to jews? Please get some reality is part of thier religion to hate jews. By banning jewish stuff just help you to win votes. What the problem with that. I think the Greens also need to go a bit further and ban christianity from state education, ban christians from thier hateful messages.  It will come eventually and australia will be better for it with the Greens in a position of power

JT says:

01:08pm | 02/04/11

No surprises that Marilyn Shepherd has outed herself as an anti-Semite. Seems par for course that the further left you go, the greater the anti-Semitism.

Doh says:

01:10pm | 02/04/11

@ Marilyn Sheperd:

Perhaps all those European Jewish Squatters should come on boats to Australia.

After all, they are fleeing a warzone and would be well within their rights to do so.  Given your position on such matters I volunteer you to organize the welcoming party for them on Christmas Island.  Maybe we could put them up in say…a golf course…if there is no room left on the island.

Watch out for burning buildings.

TQS says:

01:37pm | 02/04/11

The Greens want Judea and Samaria ethnically cleansed of Jews, and attempt to compel that by waging economic warfare against the Jewish state, in coordination with Islamist terrorists who seek end its existence and exterminate its populace.

Not hard to make your own mind up about the motivations of this vile and abhorrent party. Just look at their supporters like Ms Shepard above.

You can see the objective is to deny the right of Israel to exist and to defend itself from attack (particularly in the form of barriers, checkpoints & blockades), and to effect that by starving the IDF of funding via a BDS, so they are defeated by the genocidal Islamists in Hamas and Hezbollah.

It’s particularly vile, repugnant and inhumane attack on the Jewish right to self-determination, and the collective welfare of Jews in the face of the imminent threat of a second, Islamist, holocaust.

There is a disturbing historical ignorance too from the enemies of Israel. It was the Jewish Legion, Brigade & Palestine Regiment of the British army that proved effective in supporting Australian troops in both world wars, whilst the Arab Palestinian leadership collaborated with Nazi Germany to link up with Rommel, defeat us, and exterminate the Jews of the middle-east together.

Moshe Dayan famous eyepatch is testament to that old Australian-Israeli alliance in war. He lost his eye to a Vichy French sniper whilst serving as lookout for an Australian 7th Division in Syria.

Richard says:

01:46pm | 02/04/11

You’re the ignorant one Marilyn. Israelis have a right to a home-land. The UN itself even saw the justice in creating Jewish homeland in the aftermath of the all discriminations and atrocities stateless jews had suffered throughout the centuries, especially during WW2. The UN itself legitimately created the State of Israel, and then every Arab in the region promptly declared unlawful war in it and tried to drive them into the sea.

Well sorry if it offends you Marilyn, but the UN has a legitimate mandate. You just want to pick and choose which UN resolutions suit your own ideological bias, but the fact is that the State of Israel was created legitimately by a UN resolution in 1948, therefore they are not squatters, and your rhetoric is highly hypocritical, considering your frequent appeals to other UN resolutions in other threads on this site to back up your point.

Furthermore, legitimate nation-states have a right to defend themselves from the aggression of their neighbors. Poor little Israel, surrounded by hostile states, who took every single opportunity they could to gang up on the legitimate state of Israel and attack it and try to drive its people into the sea (using sneaky tactics like launching surprise attacks on sacred Jewish religious holidays and such like), decided to take a buffer zone in excess of the 1948 territories assigned to them.

They had no choice, and I don’t condemn them from taking the extra territories they needed to secure their legitimate state. If the arabs hadn’t attempted to unlawfully drive them into the sea 6 or 7 times over the years then it wouldn’t have been necessary, but they did, so now they’ve got no-one to blame but themselves.

Marilyn Shepherd, you are a caricature of the far-left greens raving nutbags, and every time you post, you cause reasonable, moderate-minded Australians to wake up to how poisonous and despicable the Greens ideologies and policies really are.

So keep it up. A few more months of the sort of foul-mouthed ranting that you regularly produce, and the Greens really will have gone the way of the Dodo, thanks mainly to rabid infantile ideologues like you spouting off.

scubasteve says:

01:54pm | 02/04/11

@Marylyn

They own it now.  Its theirs now. 
Why should they not have the right to defend what is theirs. 
I hope they open a big can of whoop-ass on any terrorist government that tries to take it. OR any terrorist organisation that advocates blowing up buses.
Kick some ass. yeah

Doh says:

03:08pm | 02/04/11

@greg

I hope it was a simple mistake that you left off the /sarc tags.

james milton says:

03:17pm | 02/04/11

Marilyn Shephard:

so when do the greens open the first CO2 friendly concentration camps?

you loony, raving uneducated bunch of anti-semitic fools, the public has woken up to what you really stand for. and the future of your party lies in the same place as that of the australian democrats.

Knemon says:

04:12pm | 02/04/11

Richard @ 10:05am, I agree, I am so sick of this anti-semitic shit. If I want to say I don’t like Jews, I bloody well will, I don’t need your approval. Do yourself a favour and go and live in Israel, you might then change your views, just don’t bother coming back.

greg says:

07:35pm | 02/04/11

@Doh

no why ?

I thought Gough was dead says:

01:28pm | 02/04/11

@ purse a fone,, Your first line is a question you should ask JuLiar,after all you and the other minnow mimics spruk all her sh.t ad nauseum for the dull the marginal and the challenged ones,it would seem some of Labors base have woken up in NSW and Malbin, WA of course would love to hold a good witch burning and tea party at pretty much the drop of a hat.
Who do you see Labor turning to if supply is blocked?

Against the Man says:

09:43am | 02/04/11

Watching Paul Howes run with his tail between his legs after the massive defeat in NSW was priceless. A robot controlled by the union Masters, why should his brainwash opinion matter?

Rosie says:

09:48am | 02/04/11

Fred

Gillard’s faking it again! This time fooling the public that she is the boss when we all know she is the PM but Bob Browne is the real boss!

Mark Kenny & Punch why not an article ICB on Gillard’s East Timor Solution which the East Timor Govt wouldn’t have a bar of it and Gillard the big Aussie bully is trying to bully this tiny Nation into giving in to her!

Bruce says:

12:13pm | 02/04/11

Fred: I would not take to much notice of what the ALP is saying. This is just “good cop”, “bad cop”. At the end of the day the ALP and greens need each other to stay in power. So if a bit of ‘bad comment” about each other is nothing more than a planned distraction.

Knemon says:

04:22pm | 02/04/11

Thank you Bruce @ 12:12pm for clarifying this for the fools who fail to see something so obvious. Phew, sometimes I can’t believe these same people are allowed to vote.

Doh says:

09:42am | 02/04/11

Gillard should never have pandered to the Greens in the first place.  They held the same policies and gave off the same smell back then as they do now.  The only difference is now they are under scrutiny and are being held accountable for their policies and decisions (should have happened earlier though…better late then never).

It is a further indictment that dissaffected ALP voters moved to the LNP rather than the Greens in NSW.  2% of a 17% swing?  That is an epic fail on so many levels.

For Asutralia’s sake I hope this turmoil takes the balance of power away from the Greens.

TCB 24 X 7 says:

10:06am | 02/04/11

How can gillard wriggle free,
When bob has got her on his LEASH,.
What a political mess Australia is in. Only an election would solve the problems.
labor is finished, their stupid carbon tax idea is NEVER going to go down well with the Australian Majority.

Richard says:

10:12am | 02/04/11

What a load of rubbish. The ALP needs to move more towards the centre-right, not the left, if they are to have any chance of wining the next election. And they know it.

Why do you think they had to dump Rudd for? So they could “lurch to the right” in his words. Why do you think they had to “lurch to the right”? Because that’s where the majority of votes are, thats where you have to be if you want to win elections.

But of course, after they did lurch to the right, and therefore were able to win enough seats to do a few deals and continue their government, they promptly breached faith with those voters they had lurched to the right to seduce.

Well now they are screwed. The voters are furious, and no matter what the government does, it will really struggle to gain any traction at all from here on in. This Labor government’s days are now numbered, and their perceived association with the far-left greens had a lot to do in sealing their fate.

michael j says:

10:48am | 02/04/11

yeah you have that pretty right don’t think there’s too many ex libs voting green,but it will take more than getting rid of the reckless PM and her multitude of advisers who have her head turning so fast it’s a wonder she can stand up,,at the risk of offending someone Labour could be in the wilderness for another forty years,,,

james milton says:

03:23pm | 02/04/11

Better still, tell them Windows XP and Windows 7 are products of an Israeli company.

There’s a 97% chance they have at least one computer at home or in the office running the evil Israeli OS, whose profits go straight into anti-Palestinian terrorism.

Then ask them if they are going to continue using Windows.

Knemon says:

04:43pm | 02/04/11

Doh @ 09:28am “the Greens.  For too long they have been a protected species from the media’s point of view” - Are you totally deluded Doh? there would not be one political party in Australian political history that has copped more of a bashing from the media than what the Greens have copped over the years. Perhaps it is you that is now taking more notice?

Doh says:

07:22pm | 02/04/11

#facepalm

You have got to be kidding Knemon.

Recently, SH Young tried to usurp Christine Milne for the deputy leadership.  I don’t recall seeing it mentioned in any articles, except a few determined bloggers.

Also, I don’t recall anyone pressing the Greens (or Labor for that matter) to divulge any of the details of the agreement they signed together after the 2010 election.

I don’t recall any article ever mentioning a certain social engineering move initiated by the Greens with regards to the Territories.

I could go on, but I think you get the idea.

Now, give yourself a facepalm

Knemon says:

01:30pm | 03/04/11

Doh says @ 07:22pm - I’m sorry, I still don’t have any idea of what you’re on about., how could the media of turned your points into Green bashing?

BTW - What’s a facepalm?

TQS says:

01:12pm | 02/04/11

The Greens demographic will be easily split on two issues:

1. The progressive gay-rights supportive wing will be split on the issue of red-Greens accommodation with Islamists. Whilst Hamas execute homosexuals, for being homosexuals, the Greens are sanctioning the sole middle-east defenders and sanctuary of gay rights, Israel.

Furthermore, the red-Greens accommodation with Islamists will alienate the atheist and new religion wing of the party that see in Islamism their worst nightmares of a barbaric and overwhelming religious tyranny. Again, a BDS campaign highlights their hypocrisy and inadequacy in confronting Islamism.

2. The affluent Doctors Wives wing will be split on the red-Green policies of death duties, wealth taxes, and land taxes. The red-Greens hubris in their socialist policies are unmasking the soft & pragmatic green-Green face that has attracted support in leafy middle-class electorates.

You are wrong to say Australians do not care about Israel. We are both victims of Islamist terrorism, be it a nightclub in Tel Aviv or Kuta Beach, and share a common bond in this modern fight.  Historically, we share a long and common bond. Australian troops have twice liberated and protected the future Israel for a Jewish homeland.

Before you ignorantly dismiss this long and close friendship, please read this excellent DFAT synopsis, and acknowledge what The Greens seek to destroy:
http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/israel/pictorial_history.pdf

Zaf says:

03:40pm | 02/04/11

[The Greens demographic will be easily split]

Time will tell.  But so far they just seem to be increasing their share of the vote.

Wrt gay rights/Palestinian rights, I think most Green voters can walk and chew gum at the same time.  Remember: the educated demographic votes green.

Cheers

Chris T says:

08:13pm | 02/04/11

Zaf, absolutely.

TQS, I deplore Israel’s illegal occupation of territories seized in the 1967 war & I deplore the West Bank wall.  I do not thereby support radical Islamism and/or homophobia.  Not difficult.

Sven Gali says:

02:23pm | 02/04/11

With all due respect to the Nationals, Rii, we had that with One Nation, but as usual with extreme right hate groups, it never takes long for them to turn on each other and implode. Although they helped to deliver a Labor government in Queensland, by the time the Federal election came around they were already defunct. So you’re right, but it’s a matter of timing.

Michael K says:

03:02pm | 02/04/11

It’s about time Australian politics was injected with a healthy social democratic party. The gap between the centre right of Labor/Liberal and the leftist vision of the Greens needs to be filled. Social progressivism and big government don’t need to be dirty words - as much as most of The Punch community likes to think so. A moderately-leftist democratic party which addressed fossil fuel / environmental concerns with an emphasis on science and technology - while still paying lip-service to neoliberalist focuses like the economy - would win my vote.

michael j says:

07:30pm | 02/04/11

@ Michael k
much the same as i would like to see,but only two
solutions for fossil fuel, Genetic engineering ,,
or Nuclear Power,,i don’t care if solar power can
chill a six pack,,,n,i m to old for a push cycle,,,,,,

Sven Gali says:

06:03pm | 02/04/11

It’s also mystifying, Michael, that although the same error has now been removed from David Penberthy’s article, it’s still here in Mark Kenny’s. Maybe Mark’s letter is still in the mail.

Sven Gali says:

07:22pm | 02/04/11

Good to see that the error has now also been removed from this article. Strange that the above link to the letter from the Greens to David Penberthy gives a 404. Seems fine here.

TQS says:

12:50pm | 02/04/11

Yes, a boycott, divestment and sanctions campaign is perfectly legitimate if you are waging the economic wing of an Islamist war against the Jewish state.

After all, if you can cripple the Israeli economy with sanctions, how can they continue to fund the Israeli Defence Forces? How can they defeat the genocidal Islamists of Hamas & Hezbollah without an economy?

BDS is perfectly legitimate if you want to see Israel defeated, it’s people massacred in a second, Islamist, holocaust, and Palestine turned into a Judenfrei Islamic tyranny governed by Sharia law and punishments.

Perfectly legitimate for a radical and abhorrent fringe party like The Greens.

Ryan says:

02:24pm | 02/04/11

@Marilyn Shepherd: just come out an say it, you hate Jews, we can see it in your posts, in your outbursts etc.. just go ahead and admit it and be done with it.

james milton says:

03:26pm | 02/04/11

@Marylin

Do you use Windows XP or Windows 7? Because by doing so, you are funnelling money into the pockets of an Israeli company. \

Just thought you might like to know.

Zaf says:

03:44pm | 02/04/11

[if you can cripple the Israeli economy with sanctions, how can they continue to fund the Israeli Defence Forces? ]

If Israel stopped wasting money propping up the settlements it would have (1) a higher standard of living within the Green Line and (2) a healthier economy because defence would be less of a burden.

And if Israel stopped occupying the West Bank, the whole BDS thing would lose its reason for being.

Looks like a win win win to me.  Are you listening, Mr Netanyahu?

Just saying.

Kurisu Sonsaku says:

04:00pm | 02/04/11

Face it maryloon, if boat loads of Israeliis arrived off the coast after passing through multiple countries you would be shrieking and foaming at the mouth. Any other argument you try to make just reinforces your racism against a legitimate state.

Squatters??, Slave labour??, you are such a liar.

I can’t be bothered with the rest of your deluded rambling. We can conclude though, that you are an anti semite, a racist and someone in need of professional help before they self harm.

Ryan says:

06:37pm | 02/04/11

@james milton: evidence please, that sounds like a spurious accusation on Microsoft, last I checked they were a PUBLICALLY LISTED company situated in Seattle.

Michael says:

11:34pm | 02/04/11

Hey James Milton, what’s with the racial intolerance?

Knemon says:

04:51pm | 02/04/11

Time for you to self destruct Joel B1 - No one gives a shit about Tasmanian politics.

TQS says:

03:31pm | 02/04/11

Islamists will never accept the existence of a Jewish state and will eternally fight against it. They prefer martyrdom in the name of jihad to economic prosperity, raising a family, getting a job etc. Jihad is an alternate way of life that excludes the possibility of peace and revels in the opportunity of war.

Israel will have to defend itself eternally. Only the wilfully blind would ever fool themselves that Islamists will settle for peaceful co-existence. Should they defeat Israel and exterminate the Jews from the Middle-East, Christians will be next. Then Shiites, then the insufficiently pious Sunni, homosexuals, Bahais, Druze, converts, and so on, in an endless war of religious barbarity.

There will never be peace, only eternal defence of the Jewish homeland as refuge of last resort from the next persecution, pogrom or holocaust. The reality is not amendable to your childish doe-eyed slogan; it’s a existential fight without end.

stephen says:

03:54pm | 02/04/11

Balmain is known for its hospitality toward toupee-topped acne-riddled portly flat-footed loud-mouthed ex-actors,(some of whom have to support basket-weaving girl-friends who sit beside them in smoky noisy convertibles up the main street…‘hi derek !.. were gonna pick up hoola-hoops for the kids’...) and you’re trying to tell me they actually knew there was an election on ?!
I’m waiting for the local council - the one’s that aren’t scrapin their knuckles on the ground - ter rezone the main street, dig a trench, and pray for the bloody rain.

Knemon says:

04:56pm | 02/04/11

Thanks for that Drew - So the Greens have picked up their first lower house seat in NSW and obtained an increased vote across the state.

This explains why the media and other conservative right wing ranters are starting to worry.

stephen says:

08:13pm | 02/04/11

Relax TQS.
Existential, which is a conflation of love, and a fear of numbers, should, in historical terms, be re-termed Vichy, minus that love.
(It came, firstly, from fear.)
The history of Israel is shorter then the history of pop music.
Everything’s just the beginning, and she may well be part of the birth of something very important ; something started by G. W. Bush in Iraq.
So much more now is coming to light ; especially the dictatorialism that has been the informing attitude and opinion of all Middle East countries.
,Existential’ is an un-supreme fiction term.

Knemon says:

04:59pm | 02/04/11

Another great post Doh - check on your facts before posting next time.

Doh says:

07:25pm | 02/04/11

Another post bereft of any evidence to the contrary.

Please be so kind to expose my fraudulent statement/s to complete you alleged intellectual dominance on this issue.

I won’t hold my breathe.

Aussie says:

12:17pm | 03/04/11

“Doh says: 01:05pm | 02/04/11

Greens fail to win a single seat in NSW - Check”

NSW Greens claim historic Balmain victory

Doh, indeed. Good thing you didn’t hold your breathe (sic).

Knemon says:

02:03pm | 03/04/11

Thanks Aussie

Doh - You shouldn’t be allowed to breathe!!

Levi says:

08:01pm | 03/04/11

@Knemon: Why don’t you chuck Doh in a CO2 generating gas chamber then. We can all see that yourself, Marylin Shepherd and Lee Rhiannon have been alluding to this for some time now.

I suppose racism is totally off limits and barbaric when its directed against “darker” types, boat people etc. But when it’s against jews its fine hey? Once again the hypocrisy of the loony left shines through for everyone to see

Sven Gali says:

04:19pm | 02/04/11

Incorrect, Debbie.  “... it was ... compromising on the GST, that sealed the fate of its then leader Meg Lees, fuelling internal divisions and setting in train a series of events on the path to the party’s demise.”

Richard says:

05:23pm | 02/04/11

I agree, these leftists try to re-write history, Orwellian-style, and say that it was Meg Lees negotiating with John Howard that led to the Dems demise.

Rubbish.

That train was set in motion by the defection of Cheryl Kernot to Labor, and the revelation that the leader of the Democrats had been having an illicit affair with the Labor foreign minister, Gareth Evans. People voted for the Democrats because they were apart from partisan bickery and back-handedness, they were a balance between the two poles of politics.

But when everyone found out that the Dems most senior member had been doing the dirty with Labor, literally; and then the defection to make it official, well people after that thought “why would I vote for the democrats? They’re supposed to be ‘keeping the bastards honest’, but they’re just as dishonest as both the other mobs after all!”

dag says:

06:09pm | 02/04/11

Silly me! I thought the Democrate’s died when Meg Lees sold out all of the people that voted for them to keep the bastards honest, giving her much needed support for the GST!

TQS says:

03:55pm | 02/04/11

The tragedy for Labor is that the ‘young and the stupid’ who used to reflexively vote for them are now deserting for the Greens.

Once they grow older and wiser, start earning money that is taxed, worry about their kids future, and have to pay off a mortgage; they flock back to the economically responsible party of small government and low taxes: the Coalition. The radicalism of the Greens that so appeals to them when ‘young ‘n’ dumb’, will turn them off faster they are when older & wiser and have responsibilities.

Labor may now never see their vote. The new progression of political affiliation may be: Green in their early 20s, Coalition for the rest of their lives.  Pragmatic Labor may be stuck in a no-mans-land, unable to outbid the Greens for the radical young, nor outbid the Coalition for responsible families with mortgages.

The failure of Labor to keep their left inside the tent is a fantastic development for centre-right politics in Australia.

Doh says:

06:13pm | 02/04/11

Because the Greens do provide one valuable service.  They allow shallow people to feel good about themselves at the expense of others.

10% of the population is mad, they may as well have someone with whom to identify when they vote.

Kurisu Sonsaku says:

07:24pm | 02/04/11

Greens here to stay             ................BBBBBbbbbbbwwwwwaaaaahahhahahahha…... geez it must suck to be you, serously greens are here to stay, dude don’t drink & post you look foolish

Knemon says:

02:12pm | 03/04/11

Kurisu Sonsaku says ...............BBBBBbbbbbbwwwwwaaaaahahhahahahha…...“dude don’t drink & post you look foolish’ -

Perhaps you should practice what you preach Kurisu!!

TQS says:

04:04pm | 02/04/11

And so it begins. Atheists who would once be attracted to The Greens anti-Christian policies, are alienated and offended by their accommodation with - far worse - Islamists.

Loving Atheist: What’s wrong with a party pandering to the agenda of Hamas & Hezbollah?

malohi says:

04:27pm | 02/04/11

Yes, thankyou.
Embracing and accepting a religion is passivly justifying it.
If the religion says the western way is wrong and must be changed, and we embrace it and accept it without critisism (if we critisise we are racists nonprogressives etc.) then it can only lead to changing our way of life to reflect the religion Or direct conflict with the religion (kaboom).

Everyone, christian, muslim or any other must accept that is societies law that comes first. not the law of their god. If people can do that then believe whatever superstition you want and you will be embraced. clearly many muslims cannot; it is Allah’s way or the highway.

MarK says:

08:50pm | 02/04/11

“....but will never convince the more educated Greens voters. “

I call oxymoron

OXYMORON I TELL YA

Brissy Boy says:

08:53pm | 02/04/11

cpb that is an oxymoron -educated and Green voters.  google a dictionary or ask a grown up and they will tell you what that big word means

james milton says:

10:32pm | 02/04/11

Why all the hate against Israel?

Look at all they have given the world, starting from the middle of the page.. the list is just amazing

http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/03/muslim_inventions_nobel_prizes.html

sam says:

12:33pm | 03/04/11

you know who to blame for all the tax’s then bob” tax’m all ” ” put people out of work” brown

sam says:

12:35pm | 03/04/11

by century’s end Australians will say the greens was a good April fool day joke

Peter C says:

04:44pm | 03/04/11

So you voted Liberal? Looks like you pulled a Homer.

Govt@FauxCitizen says:

07:35pm | 03/04/11

Did yoiu read that on a tattoo on Madam Browns back?

TCB 24 X 7 says:

02:45pm | 03/04/11

with Sharia law as well

Thommo says:

02:30pm | 03/04/11

There’s no need to be sarcastic.

John says:

12:17pm | 05/04/11

Michael lets say I was a member of xx party and I called for a boycott of products from Iran due thier policies against non muslims, Malaysia for thier policies on non muslims, Pakistan for thier policies of charging extra taxes and not protecting other religions sacred laces, Saudi Arabia for its funding of terrorism in the world the greens would shout out that I am a racist but yet thier anti Isreal stance is seen as in poor taste. Note I wrote a letter to Bob Brown of the Greens party as he has held himself out as a true humanaterian asking him if he could bring up the issue of the 1984 Anti Sikh riots with Julia Gillard before her trip to India to talk to the govt of India about bringing the people who killed over 5000+ innocent sikhs to justice. I wrote this last year and you know what not one reply from his office.

From this it can be seen as the greens are pandering to the anti Isreal feel in some communities and to get muslims to vote for the party. Want to take a true stance then ban all products from dictator countries and ones that dont give all ppl equal rights.