The memory should be vivid for many Arts graduates. Sitting in the graduation ceremony, the words of an otherwise inspiring commencement address waft overhead as the mind focuses uncontrollably on an uncertain future. Seated in uncomfortable lecture theatre seats (you won’t miss those, you think) you wait for a certificate cementing your “qualifications”, in the broadest sense of the word.

At least they'll know how to drink. Pic: File

The guest speaker waxes lyrical about personal journeys, eventually tying their tale into the “unique” position bestowed upon graduates of this (insert institution name) university, and of a duty we inherit to uphold and develop explorations into society and culture. The speaker resolves that in doing so we become model citizens, helping our fellow man realise the importance of life beyond economic measures of success and happiness.

As an early-20s undergraduate with student debt, little corporate experience (pretty sure I walked into an office reception once) working a part-time bar job and only ‘soft skills’ to my name, I was certainly looking forward to economic measures of happiness.

By its very definition the Arts commencement address must be general, after all how can a single person tailor an address for graduates from such varied subject majors, from political science to anthropology, psychology, sociology and other ponderings-turned-fields-of-study-turned formal “-ologies”?

But why should breadth of audience demographic always translate into a lack of audience connection? Why do they always seem so caught up in the speaker’s nostalgic reflection - a sort of stiff-lipped academic version of corporate motivational seminars, à la Anthony Robbins.

Seated in Sydney University’s distinguished Great Hall, I wondered if anybody else shared my amusement at the occasional differences between the reality of attaining an Arts degree, and the alternate reality offered by the keynote speaker.

There was a palpable, almost telepathic giggle amongst students when the speaker suggested (in hindsight it may have been slightly tinged with irony) that our degrees were the result of years of “hard work” and “burning the candle at both ends”.

While this may have been true during certain periods of time, a quick mental calculation revealed that accounting for all the last minute reports, essays and exam cram sessions (the results are known as “excramant”) equated to perhaps 20 days of actual “work” each year. If I had any regrets now, I certainly had a great time making them happen.

Of course in the broader scheme of things a graduation address a distant memory a few hours later, when alums hit the local for a celebratory drink. For graduates it’s all about the “future” and for many, this means an uncertain start to their professional lives. As such in the moment of a graduation speech, a bit more focus on the practical than the philosophical would be appreciated.

Surely the accomplished role models who are chosen to address students ought to try and address their fears in the collective environment of a graduation ceremony. The power of knowing that others (particularly successful others) once shared our insecurities, can’t be underestimated.

Ultimately, an Arts degree Most graduates will have years ahead to listen to corporate spin through a window of mission statements, manipulated pie charts and team building exercises. In the meantime, while the speech may be a blip in the student experience, addressing students’ anxieties is fitting way to make a real connection with robed and distinguished, yet unnerved graduates.

Failing that, I’ve heard the “years of hard work” joke is a crowd pleaser.

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    • Coxy says:

      07:56am | 14/06/10

      Ha. Arts degrees. I’m from a family of 5 kids and between us we have degrees in Ag Economics, Occupational Therapy, Engineering, Nursing and Arts. Guess which one us has always struggled to get a job? In fact my sister with the Arts degree has never used it, because she has never had the opportunity to get a job in that field. She’s going alright now but no thanks to the Arts degree.

    • stephen says:

      11:37am | 14/06/10

      Whatever is in your sister’s history is part of her success, Arts Degree and all. If she’s happy now, she can thank Plato, Goethe, Shakespeare, and every decent Human Being for the last 500 years.
      That’s Arts fer yer.

    • The Other Martin says:

      01:02pm | 14/06/10

      “Plato, Goethe, Shakespeare” I wonder how many Arts degrees they had?
      An Arts degree may give you skills but if they are useful then it is merely coincidental. The reason the Arts are studied is an accident of history. Their era has passed and they should be consigned to the same dustbin of history as the study of theology - once a very popular degree at University.

    • Engineer says:

      01:48pm | 14/06/10

      At least your sister is probably capable of critical thought.

      My Arts Degree is in History/Ancient History and Literature, and the critical thinking skills are helping my Engineering Degree more than most people would appreciate.

    • FraNk says:

      02:06pm | 15/06/10

      to “Engineer”
      That’s quite funny though… how you attempt to defend your “Arts Degree” yet in the same sentence you state that you are now doing engineering. For the mere fact you realised you have to study and become qualified in another field entirely would conclude that an “Arts Degree” in fact got you nowhere in a career sense…. hmmm… I wonder how much happiness there is at Centrelink, when Arts graduates can’t find a job? Perhaps you can ponder that…

    • Engineer says:

      06:16pm | 15/06/10

      Frank,

      I made an informed decision and actually deliberately chose to study first Arts and then Engineering.  And so far, it has been my observation that half of the engineers out there, while clever and all that, are utterly blind to the bleeding obvious and display the same inability to look outside the box as you just did.

      Congratulations on being a buffoon.

    • Dave C says:

      08:09am | 14/06/10

      Question- What did the Arts Graduate say to the Science Graduate and Commerce Graduate?

      Answer- Do you want fries with that?

    • Dingo_aus says:

      09:48am | 14/06/10

      Pardon my irony but what was the intended point of this article by the Arts Graduate author?  It seemed a bit “wishy-washy”...

      Lets get an Economics Grad on to show the HECS/HELP costs of Arts Degrees vs the contribution to GNP/GDP by Arts Graduates (excluding double degrees). That would make for some interesting reading.

    • Dingo Shmingo says:

      12:49pm | 14/06/10

      It may also be worth getting said Grad to model the number of Economics Grads who have been instrumental in the corruption and decay of the financial system, plotting the $ impact they have had on investors, retirees super funds and overall cost of living. I believe this may dwarf the figure you already assume to be ‘interesting reading’.

      For the record, I’m in health services.

    • Dingo_aus says:

      01:23pm | 14/06/10

      It has been very interesting watching all those Economic graduates demonstrate the causes of the GFC. The finger of blame points to the Pol Sci Arts graduates who thought up all the Government interventionist policies in the marketplace. ie thinking it would be good for the US Government to write over 50% of US residential debt, the underfunded Welfare systems Western governments can’t give up, the Greek public sector entitlements… etc etc Actually Government policies look to be *the* cause. It isn’t like finance workers weren’t playing within the rules set up by bureaucrats.

    • Arts degrees are useless says:

      02:41pm | 14/06/10

      The GFC wasn’t caused by corrupt B Ec grads. The GFC was caused by rampant consumerism from all sectors of society. People got themselves into too much debt and when they couldn’t pay it the economy fell in a heap. The US housing market was the first domino to fall.

      Maybe we should blame those social theorists who advocate “happiness” and the welfare bludgers who want “fairness” for all”

    • Reece Richardson says:

      03:36pm | 14/06/10

      mate are you sure your degree’s worth much? because the phrase is pardon my ignorance…
      The article might be a bit of a fluff but it’s still interesting nonetheless

    • Tammi says:

      10:42am | 14/06/10

      You absolutely just described my BA Media and Information graduation ceremony.  I think I was at uni for maybe 7 hours a week every semester (and that was attending all lectures and tutes), and they said the exact same thing (as do my family) - ‘you’ve worked hard, you deserve a celebration’.

      With a best friend doing Pharmacy and a brother doing a double for Mining, it’s hard to accept that ‘yeah, I totally should party after all that hard work’ when really I didn’t do much else other than write a few stories and film a few vids.  We didn’t even have exams in the last two years!

    • Ben81 says:

      12:30pm | 14/06/10

      7 hours?  And here I was thinking you had to spend at least 10 hours a week waving Palestinian flags and trying to break people out of immigration detention centres! Maybe I’m wrong about you guys :D

    • sparky says:

      08:12pm | 14/06/10

      Well why did you keep doing it Tammi ? You speak so disdainfully of yourself.

    • Lauren says:

      11:12am | 14/06/10

      Yep, that was me back in 2008. It was all so appealling, the idea that somehow an Arts degree opens up so many options to further your career, whilst at the same time doing your favourite subjecs.

      Except I wasn’t thinking “what now?” My plan was: travel in 2009, then decide after.

      Now, I’m back at unversity as a 23 year old doing a Bachelor of Business (Accounting). Probably the first semester I have actually ever bothered to study, turn up to classes and work!

    • stephen says:

      12:05pm | 14/06/10

      Accounting heh ?
      (Don’t ferget to fill the gaps in yer two front teeth).

    • Tom says:

      11:39am | 14/06/10

      I think there still should be a place for university to be a place of learning for the love of broadening one’s horizons, as opposed to purely vocational education. Many degrees are simply becoming vocational courses, and I think we as a nation are poorer for it.

      Universities are not TAFE colleges. Do we really want to be a country where more obscure areas of knowledge are ignored simply because there aren’t a huge number of jobs in those areas? There is more to life than economic imperatives. I say this doing an Arts degree; I realise I will have to do graduate law to get a decent job, but I am prepared for that, and I certainly gained a lot out of the arts degree, even if it won’t lead me straight into a job.

      And as for commerce degrees, guess which workers are the first to get the sack at the first hint of an economic downturn? Most people I know doing business courses say the assessment consists almost exclusively of exams, hence they don’t turn up to class, cram in the day before their exams, and forget it all as soon as they walk out of the exam room. I question the value of such courses.

    • Kate says:

      12:05pm | 14/06/10

      Totally agree with you - I did engineering and arts, and while I now work in engineering I found the arts degree to be invaluable in so many other ways. I was tought to research, think critically, be self-motivated, take an interest in the world around me, question things. A bachelor degree on its own isn’t designed to be job training, it gives you an academic introduction into whatever area you are studying, it’s up to you to build on that if you want to make a career out if it. Look at the US where everyone does a general BA/BSc etc, then moves onto doing a masters or specialising in law, medicine, engineering, etc.

    • Arts degrees are useless says:

      03:01pm | 14/06/10

      I did economics and law. Both degrees taught me to research and think critically. Both degrees led to a job and a lucrative career.

      If people want to persist with the mental masturbation that is a Bacheloro fArts then they should pay for it themselves, upfront, with no subsidy from the taxpayer. They add no benefit to the community and are just a place where a bunch of children can extend their adolescence and play with crayons.

    • Arts degrees are useless says:

      03:16pm | 14/06/10

      I have an economics and a law desgree. Both degrees taught me to research and think critically. Both degrees led to a job and a lucrative career.

      If people want to do a Bacheloro fArts then they should do it with their own money without any subsidy from the government. Arts degrees add no value to the community and are only done by people who want to extend their adolescence.

    • Chris L says:

      07:18pm | 14/06/10

      @Arts degrees are useless, how economic is it to post your message twice?

    • Tom says:

      08:12pm | 14/06/10

      So where exactly do you draw the line of what should attract government subsidy, Arts degrees are useless? Kevin Rudd (perhaps I just shot myself in the foot there) has an Arts degree, as do many other politicians, have they added nothing to the community? Many lawyers have Arts Law degrees, I don’t think you would find many who would agree the arts side of their degree was worthless.

      As I said, universities are not meant to be for vocational training. They are meant to promote critical thinking and a love of learning and knowledge. We are a society, not just an economy, and government spending should recognise that. If that means a few people are studying feminism and its impact on international relations or whatever, then so be it. To say that an Arts degree has no value is just tremendously naive.

    • Observer says:

      04:17pm | 15/06/10

      @ Arts degrees are useless—Stan Zemanek! You’re still alive?

    • Videographer says:

      12:24pm | 14/06/10

      We just had some final year Fine Arts students come and make a short video at our workplace. What a disaster - zero people skills, not much tech skills, not enough deodorant. And they all wore black, head to toe, for some reason. The final result was OK but the process was excruciating. The lecturer was a dingbat, too. At least we discovered where the students got the attitude from. We’ve learned: not another student shall cross that threshold.

    • Bon says:

      12:26pm | 14/06/10

      I have an Arts degree, with majors in history and anthropology.  I knew at the time that I would need to do post grad in order to get qualifications for an actual job, but I loved doing it, and I don’t regret it one bit (except perhaps for the Hecs bill).  Now I am starting a new degree next year and will be starting on the front foot because of my previous academic experience.

    • thequeenofcastile says:

      12:29pm | 14/06/10

      I have a BA and am currently completing an MA and hope to complete a PhD one of these days as well. Whilst I turned up to every single class and always handed in my assessment pieces, I was never the one going out and drinking because that just wasn’t my thing. I may have majored in History, but I have had plenty of office jobs and for the moment, I am now a Senior Administrator.

      With a BA, it’s not what you learn, but how you learn it. Research skills, communication skills , analytical skills come from all degrees, even Arts; and most employers do recognise this. I am doing a MA in Medieval and Early Modern History and am doing quite well, even having a bash at Latin; but I want to be a University Lecturer one day, so in a sense, I shall never leave university. But that’s what I want to do and I am on my way to doing it. History is important as to understand the present and somewhat predict the future, we must know the past.

    • JDels says:

      01:21pm | 14/06/10

      I think you’re spot on here. My personal experience working in the tech world is that all the best higher-ups have some background in ‘general’ skills Arts degrees entail, and an ability to apply those skills to different situations.

    • SalC says:

      10:48am | 15/06/10

      I agree. I finished my German/History BA in 2002 and it opened my life to a whole world of travel, people and cultures, not to mention a new critical way of looking at the world and it’s contexts.  Sure my job ain’t great now but I wouldn’t trade my experience for a dumb business degree/job that I know I’d hate.  (By the way: I earn enough to pay back my HECS so I can’t be doing too badly!)

    • bec says:

      01:08pm | 14/06/10

      I’m doing a BA as my third undergraduate degree (I have postgrad qualifications as well, all funded by me). I love every minute of it. It can incidentally make my job easier but it certainly will do little to move up any sort of employment ladder. English LIterature and French are barely the most vocational of subjects but they are challenging, enriching, and I thoroughly enjoy what I’m doing, largely due in part to attending a great university.

      I agree with David above: there’s something to be said for learning for the love of it, and while I’m privileged enough to afford it and have the time for it, study will be my poison over drugs, alcohol or spending money on clothes and makeup.

    • JJ says:

      01:30pm | 14/06/10

      I have both an arts degree and a business degree. I have found that the arts degree is much more beneficial to my job than my business degree even though I work in a large multinational. It has taught me to analyse data and then clearly articulate my stance on an issue, I can strategise situations and pull elements together to provide evidence. I found that everything I learnt in the business degree was different when I went into the real world. Companies (multiple) taught me their processes and their business quality practices. I’ve been promoted (several times) due to the core learning practices I got from my arts degree. I am so glad I took the path I did…

    • miles says:

      02:59pm | 14/06/10

      Agreed.. the most important thing you learn at uni is not WHAT to think but HOW to think. And think for yourself, at that. It is a skill many people never master.

      It seems a shame to me that there is more and more emphasis placed on specific knowledge and specific testable skills at the expense of general understanding, creativity and self-learning in university courses.

    • Lars says:

      04:27pm | 17/06/10

      This is true, I think it’s an incredibly deluded worldview being taken by others here that there’s no place for an Arts degree. My experience is similar in the working environment, where I find even at a hiring level people regard the ability to think abstractly and laterally across very different subject areas an advantage.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      01:49pm | 14/06/10

      Maybe they should teach ethics with all the MBA and Accounting Degrees. But then again there is no place for ethics in modern capitalism. Right, forget about that and carry on promoting credit default swaps, skimping on safety for deepwater oil drilling and promoting wars to enrich the military-industrial complex . Oh, and if you are a part of the mining industry, remember you own the Australian government, not the other way around…..

    • Arts degrees are useless says:

      03:19pm | 14/06/10

      They do teach ethics in both of those courses.

      I doubt you would know that with your tinfoil hat crackpot theories

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      11:06pm | 14/06/10

      Is it ethical for Goldman Sachs to offer a mortgage investment that is created and designed to fail? Is ethical for accountants to use repurchase agreements to hide and mask corporation debt? If they teach ethics in MBA and Accounting, then no one is practicing it. A little more critical analysis is needed from your Economics and Law Degree, I think.

    • Andrew says:

      03:02pm | 14/06/10

      There’s certainly a case to learning for reasons other than immediate employment paths.  Unfortunately, as Shane rightly points out, this has no place amongst the Financial rulers who have proliferated an idea of success as profitability, even in the wake of the clear and present failure of this very system. A good read!

    • Robert Smissen , rural SA says:

      03:56pm | 14/06/10

      Of course your Ba will probably get you a job working for some millionaire entrepreneur who is too busy making money to find time to get his/her BA

    • Phil Osopher says:

      04:53pm | 14/06/10

      Maybe students should just be thought how to think.

    • Meghan says:

      05:00pm | 14/06/10

      I’ve always enjoyed reading books like ‘Anne of Green Gables’, written back in a time when completing a Bachelor of Arts was considered the ultimate privilege and when attaining a broader field of knowledge in languages, culture, literature and history was looked upon so favourably.  Nowadays we’re all consumed with “learning for the job”.  I’m from a working class background; I rushed through my first undergraduate degree (yes, in Arts), graduating at nineteen and avoiding any subjects that couldn’t be considered “practical”.  Even upon graduation, I was urged to take a teaching diploma because my family were convinced that my Arts degree could never be used for anything.  It took several years to lead me to realise that I had wasted my Arts career and that my nine to five job - because yes, I got a job, and a decent one too - was wasting my brain and wasn’t giving anything back to my soul. 

      I have a lot of admiration for those who study the “practical” degrees like engineering, teaching and medicine, because God knows we need them - but there is also something to be said for the dreamers of dreams, and if we want to spend our HECS on reading great literature and writing theses that nobody else will read and waving a flag for learning for the sake of learning, then all power to us.

    • Shelly says:

      05:37pm | 14/06/10

      Im studying Journalism and Politics. Thanks for the heads up that I am going nowhere.

      appreciate it.

    • Winkle1 says:

      07:19pm | 14/06/10

      Going nowhere??? I don’ think so. They’re all just polishing up their own ego’s by stomping over other people… Current society is so wrapped up in “Training” people ‘for employment’ that the concepts of learning, critical thinking and having a depth of education are unfashionable. However many lament the demise of philosophy for example in many Universities and consider them the poorer for it.
      It would seem that unless you can make money out of it, the thinking is that it must be worthless and therefore open to justifiable ridicule.  Regardless of what you study you need to have a focus of where you are heading ... what kind of job you are interested in and have chosen courses and units to reflect this, including Post Grad study. OK sometimes it might be handy to have a handle to stick your hat on such as I’m an ‘accountant’, ‘social worker’, ‘dentist’ or ‘journalist’ but it can be a lazy way of defining who you are rather than it being simply what you do. My advise is to focus on where you’re heading and what you want to do rather than worrying about some crappy label and those that want to knock you down their idea of a pecking order.

    • Dan says:

      05:38pm | 14/06/10

      Jeez, you’re getting me started:  I had been working in a full-time manual job with 7am starts for four years when I applied to a well known tertiary institution in Melbourne for adult entry (I had a specific reason to get a specific bachelor degree).  I spoke to the course co-ordinator on the phone, and I’m afraid I couldn’t completely stifle my laugh when he said to me, “Well, you’ve been out of school for a while.  You might want to consider a one-year bridging course because you’re not used to the rigours of academic life.”

      Oh, the rigours!

      Needless to say, I ignored his advice.  I started the course the following February, enjoyed the four easiest years in recent memory and graduated with first class honours after putting in practically no effort at all!  Viva la Austudy!

    • Sarah says:

      06:32pm | 14/06/10

      Meh.
      I am 30.
      I have a BA from Macquarie Uni.
      I earn just on $85k.
      I have worked at some of the top companies inc KMPG and Deutsche Bank.
      Tell me again that Bach Arts grads are useless and can’t find work? Newsflash: if you’re a drongo, you won’t find work regardless of your degree.

    • ?? says:

      07:56pm | 14/06/10

      i did an arts degree. havent used it, but i am trust funded.

    • BT says:

      12:08pm | 15/06/10

      Thankfully, not all of us want to be corporate drones.

    • Marnie says:

      01:47pm | 15/06/10

      It upsets me that some ignorant people think they are useless - I learnt to think critically, communicate efficiently, work in a group, research, present arguments etc. I worked bloody hard to finish my degree - and I don’t regret studying for a minute. If anything, when I return to study next year it will make me a better student.

    • science/arts grad says:

      02:02pm | 15/06/10

      One problem with judging arts students/graduates on their choice of degree is that an arts degree can be so varied. You can major in languages, psychology, history, film, journalism, mathematics, and the list goes on! It’s a bit rich to say that an arts degree is useless or easy. A double/extended major in, say, maths, or psychology, could be equivalent to a science degree, with a little more flexibility in elective subjects. You can easily have 20-30 contact hours per week during an undergraduate arts degree. In saying that, you can easily have less than 12 contact hours, depending on the choice of subjects.

      I know so many people that have done an arts degree as part of a dual degree. Even though they are working in their other degree field (eg law, journalism, business, science), they gained invaluable knowledge through their arts degree and would do it again in a heartbeat. I know countless others that started off doing an arts degree, only to realise what they really wanted to do and “upgraded” to another degree. Expecting 16yr olds to know what they want to do for the rest of their life is, in a lot of cases, ridiculous. This is where the flexibility of an arts degree comes in handy.

      A lot of people shy away from an arts degree because of the public perception of it being a waste of time, or only for bludgers. They then start a “proper” degree that garners a little more respect, regardless of whether it is right for them.

      There is definitely a need for the arts degree, but there should be a change in public perception. There are bludgers in any degree, regardless if it is something “proper” that leads to a “real” job, or a more flexible degree like arts or science. Judge the subject/field of study, not the degree.

    • Jane says:

      05:14pm | 15/06/10

      I have an arts degree. I have been unemployed, once, for a period of six weeks (and that was after leaving one job for another that I had been offered, and offer that vanished when the company went broke two weeks later). I graduated seven years ago. Many of my friends also have arts degrees. We all seem to be working, full time. I regard the skills I developed in the four years (three of basic undergrad plus one for honours) to have been extremely useful, and I also acquired an excellent body of general knowledge. I find the carping hilarious. If we’re all so unemployable, why do we all appear to be working in jobs we enjoy and which pay well?

    • BA Grad says:

      03:52pm | 20/06/10

      I can get $85,000 and work in any industry I want to. Thanks for listening.

 

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