When Christmas Day becomes just another work day, you would have to say that the free market has finally spun out of control.

Who seriously thinks hospital workers don't deserve penalty rates on Christmas Day…

While it’s no surprise that big business tries to squeeze every last cent out of workers, we hope for something a little bit better from government. That’s why its so shocking that in some states, this Christmas won’t be a public holiday.

Since time immemorial civilisations have centred around core beliefs and values that shape their society.  They tell us who we are and what we want to be. To celebrate and share these values, every culture has developed its own calendar of special and holy days.

In Australian culture, as with virtually all western civilisations, no day is more enshrined, anticipated and celebrated than Christmas.

To some it’s about Jesus, to some it’s about Santa, to some it’s about shopping. But for all of us, it’s a respite from the demands and distractions of day to day life and a sharing ritual with loved ones to remind us of the things we cherish.

While most of us spend the day with family or friends, at church, having a barbeque or playing a bit of backyard cricket – the demands of keeping society ticking over mean that some of us have to work.

Those people deserve to be duly compensated – and that’s why we have public holiday penalty rates.

It therefore defies belief that Victorian Premier Ted Baillieu and his South Australian counterpart Mike Rann have taken it upon themselves to effectively steal Christmas Day from workers this year by not gazetting December 25 as a public holiday.

The Governments have made the following Monday a public holiday, which is great for anyone rostered on that day, but it still means that thousands of Victorian and SA workers in hospitals, shops, cafes, public transport, security and other industries which operate around the clock and on Christmas Day are not entitled to refuse to work for family or religious reasons on the day.

It also means that in these two states – unlike the rest of the nation - these workers will not receive public holiday penalty rates and will only be paid what they normally would earn for working on a Saturday.

For Christians it goes without saying that Christmas is a time of immense spiritual and historical importance. And even for many a hardened atheist it is a dearly held opportunity to spend time with loved ones, recapture the joys of childhood and reflect on another year passed.

And while it is a truism that for many other religions and believers Christmas might be just another day – and that, like their own holy days, must of course be respected – it is equally true that Christmas is not just another day in Australia.

So if you’re catching the train to the beach, stop at a convenience store or are unfortunate enough to require medical treatment this Christmas, spare a thought for those who are at work because there may well be some place that they’d rather be.

Already we’ve seen an erosion of our family life, of our weekends and other public holidays and this has resulted in people being overworked, taking their work home with them spending less time with their husbands, wives, partners, parents and kids.

This alone threatens to fray a national fabric of fair pay, fair hours and workplace rights that has taken more than a century to achieve.

But now that Christmas Day itself has fallen prey to the cold calculations of the bean counters, it is vital that we stop and ask ourselves: Is this the society we want to be?

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    • TChong says:

      05:41am | 13/12/10

      Well Punchies - what a dilemma !  First of all we all know all public servants - nurses, police , Ambos etc are overpaid fat cats, and deserve nothing but contempt for not working in the private sector.
      Yet, ,do we become like one of those “Others” ie non Australians,  who have no respect for Santas birthday ?
      Do we show public servants its time to wake up to themselves, or do we do the same as non christian countries?

    • Jill Biddington says:

      06:50am | 13/12/10

      To TChong - First off - I do NOT know that nurses, police and Ambos etc are overpaid fat cats.

      They deserve a fair go and far more than contempt just because they work in the public sector.

      As for Christmas being “Santa’s Birthday”????  I guess that is the most telling line and I am laughing about your line as this has nothing to do with the significance of Australia in being the same as non Christian countries.

      Hmmmmm - I wonder if you are Peter Reith using a pseudonym - or a bored John Howard, or maybe a rusty Peter Costello - no I would give those blokes a bit more respect for being able to mount a decent argument in favour of what they believe, though I disagree vehemently with their ideology. 

      Hoping that we get some decent discussion in response to this article. - I reckon that the proposal to by the Victorian and South Australian Premiers to not gazette Christmas Day as a public holiday is about as Australian as bowling underarm in cricket.

    • Ben in Canberra says:

      07:10am | 13/12/10

      ” non christian countries” - Fail. We are a democratic country where the freedom of religion, speech and assembly are paramount. We are not a christian country although we share similar values to the central christian tenets.


      “nurses, police , Ambos etc are overpaid fat cats” - Fail. It’s people like you that have the temerity to try and insinuate that all public servants are overpaid and greedy. There are those of us who work damn hard to make sure that people like you who live in this democracy, are safe and free to utter the kind of tripe you have let forth this morning.

      “Santas birthday” - Double fail. You’re an idiot. No wonder you still blithely follow the Labor/Green alliance like the acolyte you clearly are.

      Go back to your hole.

    • TChong says:

      07:43am | 13/12/10

      Jill and Ben, as Kev Kavannagh would say “Got yous a bewty”
      I was just doing a bit of ground work for some of the more far of right usual commentators who inhabit Punch. ( maybe theyre gone on holidays).
      But thanks for being great sports.  wink
      Santas / Saviors Peace and goodwill to you both, during the festive season.

    • PublicServant says:

      07:55am | 13/12/10

      This is one of the more ignorant statements I’ve read on this site.  Never mind the Christian/ Non Christian argument.  TChong - I bet you are one of those people who treat public servants with contempt and entitlement.  One day the nurses, ambos, police might just all wake up to themselves and realise that they are IN FACT dreadfully underpaid and abused by the likes of you, and decide they are jack of being shafted not just at Xmas, but on every other 364 days… and you’ll be left flailing about in a confused entitled frenzy when you need some help.  Good on ya.

    • Jordan says:

      07:56am | 13/12/10

      It never ceases to amaze me how bad people can at detecting irony on the Internet.

    • Tim the Tool says:

      08:09am | 13/12/10

      Santa’s birthday? No no no. It’s the day that Santa died for our sins!

      I think everyday should be a holiday. Everyone should get paid lots and lots everyday. Actually, no one should work. Let machines do the work.

    • KH says:

      08:09am | 13/12/10

      TChong - if there is someone that can stand between me and death and be working for my side, I don’t care if they earn a million dollars a year -  given what nurses, police and ambulance officers have to put up with, they deserve every penny and more.

      And christmas is not “Santa’s birthday” - even us atheists know that.  And no, Australia is not a ‘christian country’ - it is a secular democracy (despite the virus in the QLD education system), where there is freedom of religious [removed]or lack of it). 

      What any of your comments have to do with this article remains a mystery to me.

    • Ironside says:

      08:54am | 13/12/10

      Wow Tchong, after a decent post on the oprah article you are back to form. On what evidence are you basing the comment that police, ambos and firefighters along with all public servants are overpaid fatcats? Why would they be earning less in the private sector? I guarantee you this, if the private sector suddenly started running all the public services, a lot of the things you take for granted would suddenly not be commercially viable. I can only assume your trying to troll for comments because surely no one can be so ignorant as to have a go at firefighters and paramedics while at the same time claiming they are being overpaid

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      09:13am | 13/12/10

      TChong, don’t do irony. Many of the people on The Punch won’t get it…..

    • Daniel says:

      09:14am | 13/12/10

      Nice Work,  TChong 8/10 good troll!

    • TheRealDave says:

      09:31am | 13/12/10

      lol, despite someone spelling out the obvious you still keep hooking them. This is whey reading comprehension should be mandatory in all High Schools.

      I reckon you’ll get more before the end of the day.

    • AdamC says:

      09:34am | 13/12/10

      Daniel, while TChong likes to chuck rhetorical hand grenades, he can’t really be called a troll. He’s here all the time. Personally, I find his writing so scattergun I don’t normally read his comments.

      Though I would be interested in what makes him think Xmas is Santas birthday.

    • Davida says:

      09:37am | 13/12/10

      I like your point TChong.  As a regular Punch reader, I see this come up time and time again.  There was a great thread a few months ago when, in response to pay inequality in the “caring” professions, useful suggestions included “stop whinging”, “retrain” and “what do you expect when settling for a soft, non-real job”.  Same goes for the Santa/Christmas brohuha we encounter every year.  “They undermine our culture”,  “We are a traditionally Christian nation” etc etc.  Talk about wanting your cake…....time to practice what we preach.  Let’s save our traditional values, close the non-essential consumerist culture down for the holidays, forego convenience for values, pay those in essential services for their vital efforts, embrace the religious significance of Christmas if you believe/don’t exploit it if you don’t,  and just shut up already.  Easy really.

    • Dave says:

      09:38am | 13/12/10

      Successful troll is successful.

      But, overall, the attempt was still fail and witless.

    • The Badger says:

      09:39am | 13/12/10

      Excellent work Chong

    • PS i am NOT serious says:

      09:53am | 13/12/10

      TChong, a word of advice ... add an undeniable caveat at the end of posts like this for all the possibly dimmer lightblulbs reading this, something subtle like a “P.S. if you think I’m serious, please Punch yourself in the face”

      On the other hand, if you are serious (and I say this on behalf of all Punch readers, because what better place can you openly assume everyone agrees with you than an internet blog site) please Punch yourself in the face.

      Merry Xmas, I’m glad Santa had a bday/died for our sins/had the foresight to jump into bed with Big W 2,000 years ago and create this mythology of Christ, because I love rolling in wrapping paper after opening all my presents smile it’s even better than ignoring the appeals on the telly for third world aid in full HD picture and surround sound (thanks Swanny)

    • Brett says:

      10:04am | 13/12/10

      AdamC - Maybe TChong thinks its Santa’s birthday because he is correct in knowing its not Jesus’ birthday…

    • TChong says:

      10:12am | 13/12/10

      Thank you folks.
      C’mon Ironsides,Adam, thought yous would see thru it.  KH - ( true?, its not Santys Birthday, but what about the cake and presents. ?).
      That is but one of my end of year specials, inspired by Rex Hunt.
            For or with,  You Gotta Larf.
                      smile

    • Brian says:

      10:51am | 13/12/10

      To be fair to Mr. Chong (and yes, I know it’s tongue in cheek), it’s got about the same chance of being Santa’s birthday as it does of being that of Jesus. Probably more, actually, as we have no evidence of Santa’s birth but there is at least some evidence that Jesus was born around spring in the northern hemisphere from some sources.

      On the subject: Yes, I think penalty rates should be paid for Christmas day, but at the cost of the Monday public holiday. No double dipping.

    • nosthow says:

      10:55am | 13/12/10

      @Congy - magic stuff fella - your opening lines caught a heap of fish !

    • Ironside says:

      11:14am | 13/12/10

      Fair enough i should have seen through the troll post, must be tired today smile

    • Judy says:

      11:17am | 13/12/10

      What a ridiculous thing to say.  You try being an ambo or a cop or a nurse.  Don’t know what you do Chong, but you spend an awful lot of time on this blog, so obviously none of the above.  there is no doubt that Christmas day should be a gazetted public holiday and not the Monday after it.  Just a stupid government decision.

    • Macon Paine says:

      09:09pm | 13/12/10

      @ T.Chong
      Never have I seen you troll in such a fantastic fashion T.Chong. I am gonna have to give you 2 thumbs up for that effort. I would also like to give 2 thumbs up to those who managed to pick up on your trolling as you certainly know what your doing. Those who didn’t realise and pick up on it really need to think a little more before they start to rant, they will never last long on teh interwebz if they cant spot an obvious troll they’re gonna have a really hard time.
      Let us all think about this though. I have to be honest and say that yes you may have a point about public servants. If we could bring costs down in the public sector we could cut taxes. Alas though, this will never happen due to the stanglehold of the unions. Perhaps were just gonna have to find another way to get the way over paid bureaucrats to run away from the public sector and into the private sector. There are around 250,000 public servants working for the fed gov at the moment and this is just simply too expensive. Lets hope some of them will desert the public sector for private. Now im aware that many people like you T.Chong are supporters of public sector bludgers and many will never agree to the kind of cuts im talking about of around 50% but were gonna have to make some serious cuts as the workforce ages. If we make cuts of even 1/4, I think in all honesty, even people on the left like you can see the merit in this. I know there will be those who will whine, cry and even rage against the mere thought of proposals and they will never agree to them. I dont see any other option though how are we gonna keep the budget balanced in the long term what do these people say to that? Most likely very little, they are clueless. They can say goodbye to balanced budgets and surplusses etc etc etc as we may never see these things again or at least in the short term were not gonna see them.
      Tell me T.Chong, do you think that it is possible for someone who is in a public sector job to be honest about this issue without telling an easy lie just to protect their job? It appears the"Public Servant” isn’t capable and appears to have a chip on his/her shoulder. But honestly there is hurt being done to Australia by those in the public sector who bludge, you must agree with that, Australia must stop this asap.

    • Andrew says:

      09:52pm | 13/12/10

      Sorry, i did not know I am a fat cat by saving people lives? If anything I am under paid for my stressful working conditions. It is the same with nurses and police. Work a day in our shoes and then you will really know what it is all about. Until then stop assuming we have a cruisey job.

    • Macon Paine says:

      06:12am | 14/12/10

      Damn it! My attempted troll and rick rolling of T.Chong didn’t work out. When I was typing it up the first word of every line was from the chorus of Rick Astleys “Never gonna give you up”. But it doesn’t appear to have stayed in correct order. So if people were to only read the first word of every line down they would get:
      Never gonna give you up
      Never gonna let you down
      Never gonna run around
      And desert you
      Never gonna make you cry
      Never gonna say goodbye
      Never gonna tell a lie
      And hurt you

      The rest of it was just pure trolling.

    • B says:

      07:11am | 14/12/10

      Not all people working on christmas are from public service industries.  Use your head!!!!

    • Super D says:

      07:01am | 13/12/10

      This issue only arises when Christmas and/or Boxing Day falls on a weekend and stems from the fact that the day off is more sacrosanct than the holiday itself. 

      In NSW at least Anzac day has been downgraded such that April 25 is the day and if this is on a weekend then there is no Monday off anymore. 

      One logical course would be to treat Christmas the same way though this would truly annoy a lot of people rather than a small number of service and hospitality workers.

      It is reasonable for employers to argue that they shouldn’t have to stump up for extra public holidays simply because Christmas falls on a weekend though neither should they receive a windfall because of this fact. 

      The way forward then could be to treat December 25 as a public holiday no matter what and then treat the Monday afterwards as a saturday or a sunday.  There is a much stronger argument for penalty rates on Christmas day and lesser rates on the subsequent holiday than the other way around.

    • Brett says:

      10:12am | 13/12/10

      Good call. This only affects a very small number of people, whereas treating it as a public holiday regardless screws everyone out of a public holiday. The ANZAC day thing in NSW was disgraceful! We already have the least public holidays in the world and they robbed us of one more!

      I want my day off work regardless. All weekend public holidays should be moved to the following week day. This solves the problem for 95% of people. The rest just have to suffer as majority rules in democracy… doesn’t it?...

    • Brian says:

      10:59am | 13/12/10

      Ever heard of the Tyranny of the Majority, Brett? Basically, it says that what is good for the majority or what the majority want is not always what is right - e.g. stripping people of their land for a new hospital without any recompense. A more extreme example would be confiscation of property and the enslavement of minorities - even if the majority want it, it’s still wrong.

      Note that this is in response to the last sentence of your post, not the rest of it.

    • Matthew says:

      11:24am | 13/12/10

      No Brett, otherwise we’d probably have a Coalition government and Queensland would have daylight savings by now.

    • Brett says:

      08:12am | 14/12/10

      BAM! A win for Matthews response.

      Brian - I didn’t say the majority is right, but that is really not the issue. We have a democracy, its the government we have chosen and in a democracy the majority is supposed to rule. Of course minority lobby groups usually rule. But it is supposed to be MAJORITY rule. If you want the “correct” decisions from a minority then form an oligarchy or aristocracy, or a dictatorship even.

    • Don't Re-write History please says:

      07:01am | 13/12/10

      Christmas is about Jesus. End of story.
      Its not about gluttony, unions or public holidays.

    • Daniel says:

      09:20am | 13/12/10

      It has no pagan origins or other cultural appropriations whatsoever either. We should all just go to church right?

    • TheRealDave says:

      09:35am | 13/12/10

      A Christian bemoaning the re-writing of history?

      Obvious troll is obvious.

      ....that is, unless they are too stupid to realise it…..

    • LittleG says:

      09:56am | 13/12/10

      Tell the Christians working in the public service that they risk their jobs if they refuse to work Christmas Day for religious reasons. You’re happy for modern-day martyrs to lose their jobs for wanting to go to church on Christmas Day?

    • Brett says:

      10:09am | 13/12/10

      Pretty sure its not about Jesus. Besides not being his birthday and him never saying to celebrate it, Christmas being steeped in paganism and the merger of christianity and pagnism by Constantine, I thought everyone these days agreed its about family and comercialism?

    • Mark says:

      02:02pm | 13/12/10

      Christmas is not about Jesus, never has been. Learn your history. Christmas was the Roman Feast of Saturnalia and it was a month long party where everyone gave gifts and drank to much.
      So we are stilll doing a pretty good job of it except that the Christian church has hijacked the celebration

    • Don't Re-write History please says:

      09:41pm | 13/12/10

      @ Daniel, if it helps you, then go to church. They won’t kill you.

      Fellas, the name is a dead give-away. It is not “Union"mas.
      It is not “Ipod"mas. It is not “pagan"mas…. Nope, not “Santa"mas.
      It is not “Saturnalia"mas.

      On any given day of the week, dozens of people share a birthday / festival. Apart from Josephus, there is very little evidence about the actual day Jesus was born. Someone had to pick a day.

      The day is called “Christ"mas RealDave, no troll. The last time I did an IQ test, it came up at 135 so I am not totally stupid. If you want to phone friend to ask them why its called “Christ"mas don’t bother, I can tell you, its about Christ. You know the bloke, Jesus? No need to re-write anything after that.

      By all means, celebrate “gluttony"mas, “beer"mas or “turkey"mas. As an alternative, pause for the day, lower your stupid middle class analysis and enjoy “Christ"mas for what it is and what it should be.

    • Brett says:

      08:17am | 14/12/10

      @Don’t Re-write History Please - Did Jesus ever ask anyone to pick a date and celebrate his birthday? He did say to remember his death… can’t remember him saying his birthday. The bible itself gives a good indication of when he was born in fact and it was no where near December 25th.

      So yes whilst it is called ‘Christ’mas, it really had nothing to do with Jesus originally, and these days has little to do with him again.

    • Aaron says:

      12:08pm | 14/12/10

      I’m sorry Don’t Re-write History but Christmas was the convergence of a Gaul/Celt festival and the Christian beliefs. The Pope at the time believed they would have more luck with conversions if they allowed Pagan festivals but with a Christian twist.

      Another Christian holiday that has its roots in Gaul/Celtic history is Easter, which is the celebration of new life, hence the themes etc of new-born animals.

      At least take the time to research the origin of your religion’s holidays before making such outrageous claims.

    • Don't Re-write History (this time) says:

      01:56pm | 14/12/10

      Brett, Aaron and Mark, thankyou for the history check. Isn’t this country great?. As I said to Daniel, feel free to go to a church on Christmas Day. If you do feel free to think about some of the messages you might get.

      Being sound thinkers, you would have worked out that the loss of a Christmas holiday correlates with (and is directly caused by) the increase in worshipping iPods, hams, turkeys, booze, PS3s, plasmas and XBoxes and the desperate urge to acquire them. This in turn, necessitates that people work that day. “Every shopper begets a worker”.

      The alternative is to say no to these banal pursuits for a day to improve your mental health and give Ged Kearney’s workers a day off (presumably to improve their own mental health, else the whole thing starts again).

    • Peter says:

      07:10am | 13/12/10

      This is absolutely scandalous! Although, as an athiest I feel like somewhat of a hypocrite to say that “the Lord’s” b’day should be sacrosanct here and never treated as anything but a public holiday across the board. But seriously, this idea of Baillieu and Rann should be called the ebenezer scrooge law. And where’s the opposition to this mean, stupid, greedy legislation?? What can be done about reversing it?

    • Adam Diver says:

      08:01am | 13/12/10

      Totally agree, WTF? Nobody wants monday off, they want christmas day off, I am just lost for words, and so infuriated. Being outdone by NSW is a very, very poor indictment on any state

    • KH says:

      12:20pm | 13/12/10

      Whoa there Adam - i want the monday off!! This is one of the gazetted public holidays in Victoria, and I will not be robbed of it because the calendar happened to put the day on a weekend.  The argument here is about penalty rates.  In this case, the obvious solution is to pay the public holiday penalty rate on the Saturday, keep the Monday as a day off in lieu, at Saturday rates for those who have to work it.  I’m not seeing why this is so hard?

    • Heath Karl says:

      12:43pm | 13/12/10

      @KH. I dont think the argument is about penalty rates. I think people dont want to work on Christmas day.

    • Macca says:

      02:14pm | 13/12/10

      @Heath Karl, I think the argument is about all the other states being worse than NSW

    • b says:

      07:27am | 14/12/10

      When did that happen Macca?

    • Mayday says:

      07:16am | 13/12/10

      “When Christmas Day becomes just another work day, you would have to say that the free market has finally spun out of control.”

      Bit of diatribe to stir up the masses Jed?

      “While it’s no surprise that big business tries to squeeze every last cent out of workers “........ not this old chestnut again?

      Business V’s The Workers, Us and Them.

      Perhaps these State Public Services can’t afford to pay workers the extra day in loadings etc and since when were Nurses and Police working for “Big Business?”
      Professionals are capable, they are aware that Xmas falls on the same date each year and organise themselves so they get a share of the shifts with and without penalty rates.

      Perhaps the Victorian and S.A. Governments are responding to what they know business is capable of handling on order to avoid laying people off due to poor retail sales?

    • papachango says:

      10:07am | 13/12/10

      I agree, as far as blaming everything on capitalism / big business, this was probably the most pathetically weak attempt I’ve ever read.

      If the author is representative of the intellectual calibre of the union leadership, it’s no wonder they’re struggling for relevancy.

    • Peter says:

      02:26pm | 13/12/10

      @Mayday & Papachango
      So, you guys will be pulling on the work boots come the morning of Sat 25th? Or does your smug little job in the finance sector allow you to comfortably take the majority of the festive season as a holiday break?

    • Bemused says:

      07:09pm | 13/12/10

      I’m with you, Mayday… Weakest anti-capitalist rant I’ve seen from poor old GED yet. I also noted that Ged was blaming big business, then proceeded to criticize the state government. She also seems to want TWO Christmas days, the 25th, AND the following Monday.
      Typical, greedy, blushing union scab.

    • marley says:

      07:29am | 13/12/10

      Easy solution.  Make the Saturday the statutory holiday, and cancel the Monday holiday.  That will please everyone who has to work on Saturday anyway, and infuriate everyone who doesn’t, and wanted Monday off.  And I don’t see how the unions can possibly object.

    • Rod Blaine says:

      07:46am | 13/12/10

      I can’t decide which is going to push my irony-meter up further - that I can easily see professed Christians in conservative politics (Abbott, Minchin, maybe FamFirst, but to their credit probably not the DLP) supporting this idea, or that I can easily see the unions and the ALP Left (most of whom defined “secular” to mean “anti-religious”) complaining that this idea violates the special status of Christmas Day.

    • Tom says:

      02:14pm | 14/12/10

      Good call Rod. It is a bit like Christmas “miracle” 1914 where the troops got out of the trenches, exchanged gifts and sang carols. How powerful is Christmas?

    • Macca says:

      07:55am | 13/12/10

      Please, Ged. If this is really the most pressing issue for the Union movement currently than your members deserve a discount.

      Employees are entitled to 10 National public Holidays a year. Everyone still gets this.

      In NSW, and a couple of other states, employees are fortunate enough that they will get Christmas day, and an additional day, on the 27th.

      Employee’s will still receive their Saturday penalties if they are required to work on Christmas, and will still get their public Holiday. If employee’s who are rostered on really want the day off they can take Annual leave.

      If you have a problem with the current system, cut the Us v Them bullshit, and get on the phone to the Prime Minister, whose Fair Work Regime has left public Holidays up to the states. Don’t blame business, they don’t set the days. They just try to make money so people can stay employed.

    • Heath Karl says:

      10:07am | 13/12/10

      I am a casual employee, and when Public Holidays are not gazetted, I am not entitled to ask for that day off. I am EXPECTED to work on those days or face instant dismissal.

      Your ignorant claim that EVERYONE gets ten public holidays per year is ridiculous. 30% of the workforce is casual, and where I work, for an employer with 180 000 workers in this country, the only two public holidays we are unconditionally entitled to are good friday and christmas day. Every other holiday I am expected to work. Infact in 2007 and 2008, because the permanent workers were taking their holidays at that part of the year, I, and the other casuals were told that we must take the work or there would be no work in the new year for us. Both years me and others worked Christmas eve, Christmas day, boxing day, New years eve, New years day.

      I blame business and government. And I also blame Macca for spreading silly falsehoods.

    • Macca says:

      11:00am | 13/12/10

      @Heath Karl, You are entitled to 10 public holidays a year. If you are required to work them you will receive a penalty rate to compensate you for that. This is legislated at a federal level. You can find more information on this at the Fair Work Australia Website by looking at the National Employments Standards or your respective Modern Award or Enteprise Agreement. I should mention, that the States have always designated public holidays, and JG’s new laws do not change this.

      You are employed as a casual worker, therefore you have an employment contract with reduced benefits, but a higher (20%?) base rate of pay to compensate for those lost benefits (annual leave, personal, long service leave etc.). You are employed by the hour. If you do not like this arrangement, perhaps you should consider full-time employment. The hysterical nature of your post indicates could potentially release what is obviously a very frustrating situation for you. Unemployment is quite low at the moment at 5%, and with the traditional high turnover in late January / early February it may be a good time for you to look.

      Despite your emotional rantings, everything I have said is completely true.

    • Michael K says:

      11:43am | 13/12/10

      “Don’t blame business, they don’t set the days. They just try to make money so people can stay employed.” I find this line hilarious, Macca. The idea that big business is interested in keeping people employed is laughable (for small businesses, less so). Best re-phrase your sentence so it simply states “They just try to make money.”

      Saturday penalty rates are nearly unheard of in retail (and Sunday rates are increasingly underthreat, also). I know Coles’ penalty rates do not kick-in until 9pm on the Saturday. Simply put, employers will load their Christmas Day roster with casuals and not compensate them with a Monday shift. For public holidays, retail in particular, employers minimise their budgets by relying entirely on full-time and part-time workers; the workers they need to pay regardless of whether they work or not. Casuals usually don’t get a look-in. This is not the fault of the “Fair Work Regime.”

    • James1 says:

      11:53am | 13/12/10

      Having just gone from casual to full-time ongoing, I can confirm every details of Macca’s posts.

    • Heath Karl says:

      12:00pm | 13/12/10

      Consider the article above. As a casual worker I may be required to work on Saturday the 25th, Christmas Day, now not a public holiday. Monday, when the public holiday loading rate applies, my employer tells me to take the day off. I lose Christmas day with my family and I receive no extra benefit, and one of my “10” holidays are lost.

      No casual worker is entitled as a matter of course, as you falsely suggest, to a higher base rate (20%). It is often so because it is a condition negotiated between the employer and a trade union. Sometimes they are paid less than permanent employees.

      To illustrate, 200 workers at a Prysmian plant in Liverpool, Sydney, are entering their seventh week of strike over employment contracts that pay casuals $7 per hour less than permanent employees. (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/dec2010/prys-d06.shtml)

      It is all very well and good to make the off-hand remark that I should just find permanent work if I am unhappy as a casual, but you may be shocked to discover that it is bosses, not workers who determine the nature of available employment. If Australian employers wish, as they currently do, to have 30% of the workforce employed as casuals, then 30% of the nations workers have little choice but to take casual work. If the solution is permanent work, then your argument lies with the employers.

    • Macca says:

      01:13pm | 13/12/10

      @Michael K, without workers no work gets done. Any person who has ever run a business knows that without your most skilled / knowledgable employees your enteprise will struggle. Good businesses do work hard to keep their most valuable employees.

      On the Monday, when Christmas day has been gazetted, Casual staff will work because all the permanent staff will be off due to the public holiday.

      @Heath Karl, no, you don’t lose your public holiday. You are a casual employee who is not engaged to work on the public holiday so you receive no payment. If you are engaged to work on the public holiday you will receive penalty rates to compensate you for that. The entitlement you have is to receive additional payment in the event you are required to work on a public holiday. You don’t lose anything.

      I have never seen any Modern Award or enteprise agreement where casuals earn equal to or less than full time employees. There is not a single industry I have heard of where this applies. Unless you can prove otherwise, I will simply consider your statement a complete lie as 100% of the information I have ever seen has indicated 20% is the minimum loading casuals are entitled to. The fact that you have linked to the most ridiculous left-wing socialist site I’ve ever read in English only serves to undermine your useless arguments.

      As for Bosses determining work, there are plenty of full-time jobs available if you wish to apply for them. You do not have to work at a company that only hires casual employees. How you misunderstood this statement I am not sure. I really just feel like I’m wasting my time here, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and encourage you to look outside your small socialist box.

    • Macca says:

      01:22pm | 13/12/10

      @Health Karl, actually I’m going to take you up on this. That website is the biggest piece of shit left-wing propaganda I have ever seen.

      Do you really believe this tripe? “Draconian Anti-strike Australia industrial Laws”. “UK Students denounce police violence”. Do you honestly consider this credible journalism?

      People complain that mainstream media is lazy and fails to follow up on real issues. Or that Murdoch press is simply plugging its own agenda.

      Horseshit.

      Media organisations publish whatever stories they come across in the attempt to increase their audience market share, make money etc. etc.

      What you have linked to is nothing but lies and dribble. It makes Penny Wong look like Pauline Hanson’s best friend.

      Seriously, Punchers, check out http://www.wsws.org/index.shtml and enjoy what is undoubtedly the most potent argument Stephen Conroy could ever come up with for internet censorship.

    • Heath Karl says:

      02:14pm | 13/12/10

      Correct, I dont lose my public holiday because I am not entitled to one. This is true. Contradicts your first point that ‘everyone gets ten’. What I lose is the 25th of December, Christmas Day. Monday the 27th is the public holiday. If I work that day I get paid accordingly, but Christmas day is considered a Saturday just like any other. 25/12, like 1/1, 26/1, 25/4 these dates have meaning. Empolyers, government, they can call it just another day, but workers know better.

      You say “I have never seen any Modern Award or enteprise agreement where casuals earn equal to or less than full time employees.” I gave you an example where that very thing occured. Blindness is not a valid argument Macca!

      http://www.wsws.org A very good website. First, It is the only publication which is following the strike at Pyrsmian Liverpool. If Murdoch had bothered to report, i would have happily used his link. Second, I very much agree that Australia is in breach of the ILO conventions on the right to strike, and that the UK student who suffered brain damage as a result of a clobbering by a policeman is an outrage. I think, though, you should read the articles instead of just looking at the headlines.

      Punchers, check out http://www.wsws.org, and make your own mind up. Remember though, Its Macca recommended!

    • Brad of Bentleigh says:

      07:24pm | 13/12/10

      What Macca said… Agree 100%

    • Michael K says:

      10:15pm | 13/12/10

      “@Michael K, without workers no work gets done. Any person who has ever run a business knows that without your most skilled / knowledgable employees your enteprise will struggle. Good businesses do work hard to keep their most valuable employees. “

      This is only true a certain extent. There are shades of complexity required to answer this question and obviously it needs to be assessed on an industry-by-industry basis. However, this article isn’t discussing the impact the no holiday rates will have on the finance, IT or education sector; retail and workers in other menial jobs will largely be hit the hardest by the public holiday ruling in our southern states. These industries do not value the majority of their workers. A cursory glance at the front-end of a typical Big W or Woolworths store reveals the validity of this argument. Register jobs are disappearing, fast, replaced instead by automated machines.

      Big business will only keep on valuable employees for as long as they are valuable. Once the value of the human can be replaced by something cheaper and more efficient you can bet your bottom dollar that the human will lose his job. This is just common business-sense. Moreover, all businesses do not hesitate to cut staff to maintain profits, even if there is substantial savings and assets which could be drawn on to maintain current staffing levels.  Again, this thesis isn’t applicable to all industries, but it is nonetheless widespread. In this sense, my original rebuttal does not lack substantive weight.

    • Jess says:

      01:11am | 14/12/10

      Heath Carl, mate my husband is a permanent worker, second in charge of a Coles store and the only public holiday he ever gets off is Christmas day, he also works Xmas eve, boxing day, new years eve and new years day every single year, he will NEVER get any of these off, so stop your whinging at least you get paid more for doing it, that’s what casuals are for like it or not.

    • Brett says:

      08:40am | 14/12/10

      @Heath Karl & @Macca
      Have to hand this one to macca. That website was utter rubbish. Yes students got beaten up, but they did earlier absolutely trash an office building. Cops are there to protect the people and property of the state they work for. If you run around trashing it then they will stop you and beat you. Deal with it.

      Some of my faviourite bits from the strike article were:

      “each of which has ended in a union betrayal. They included a plant closure in Quebec” - Lovely left wing thinking, closing a plant down because it is no longer profitable is just screwing over the workers and capitalist fat cats being greedy… how about they hand the plant over to the workers. When all the workers have to sell their houses to fund the plant that is going down the drain they may learn some business acumen and have a reality check.

      “Last year, citing “economic reasons,” Prysmian unilaterally sacked 19 workers” - Apparently sacking 19 workers when they are no longer needed, in order to save the jobs of the other 650 workers was a bad idea. Hang on didn’t GM try to do that? And then filed for bankruptcy and laid off half their workers? I would rather see 19 fired to save the jobs of 650 than everyone keep their job for another 6 months then the company fold and 670 people lose their jobs.  Freaking retard unions and left wingers.

      Heath Karl. I think we should inform you that Socialism was a failed experiment. It was really good in theory, everyone thought it sounded great, but in practice it doesn’t work. Men do not want to be equal, they want to achieve and dominate others, its sadly human nature. These days socialism only serves to blind people to the realities of money and economics. Get a full time job and get over it.

    • Heath Karl says:

      09:50am | 14/12/10

      “Yes students got beaten up, but they did earlier absolutely trash an office building. Cops are there to protect the people and property of the state they work for. If you run around trashing it then they will stop you and beat you. Deal with it.” This is what you assert Brett. You are wrong.

      You may say they “are there to protect the people and property”, hell the police may say it, but I say: “Where there is a conflict between the property of the state and the citizenry comprising state, the police will act to defend property AGAINST people”. When a young person smashes some glass and a policeman smashes his brain, I defend the student. You defend property. That is fine. I am comfortable eclipsing you.

      Your solution to the Quebec plant is, surprisingly, spot on. If the company wishes to close the plant, fine, If the workers think they can maintain profitable production they should be given the opportunity.

      Reading your third paragraph, I fear you have lost the plot entirely. http://www.wsws.org is not a ‘typical left wing union retard website”.
      It is comprised of university professors and workers alike who are opposed to unionism, utterly opposed. They denounced Obama and Rudd’s bailout of the market. They fight the UAW who form the corrupt leadership of workers at GM. They save their harshest critique for those on the left of the political spectrum.

      It sure sounds good to say that Socialism is a failed experiment. It feels so good and soothing to say it, the very phrase is like intellectual valium. It is comforting to say “it works in theory and not in practice” because that is what everyone say, its all anyone says, and it feels good to agree with other people. Its easy to look at human behavior, and declare it is natural and unchangable, it saves us any difficult investigation. If you want to play in the sandpit, have fun, Ive got more important tasks.

    • nosthow says:

      08:00am | 13/12/10

      I am thinking of gift wrapping my self Ged and raffling myself off as a Xmas pressie to one of your lucky Punch readers - is that tacky Ged ?

    • TimB says:

      10:44am | 13/12/10

      Depends Notshow. Can we return you for store credit?

    • nosthow says:

      10:53am | 13/12/10

      @TimB - theres that wonderful sense of humour Tim. I see Chongy is out fishing today - and reeled in plenty I note ! hahahh

    • TimB says:

      11:33am | 13/12/10

      Yeah I saw that one. Left it alone, way too obvious.

    • Matt says:

      01:58pm | 13/12/10

      @TimB: You can always throw him in the oven. Nothing to say you can’t have a roast turkey for Christmas.

    • Old Clive says:

      08:03am | 13/12/10

      Commercialism and unions run the country, we can no longer be counted as a Christian country so why not abolish the Christmas holidays and Easter as well. The unions will still have their sickies to take when they want a holiday, it will relieve the congestion on the roads and reduce the accident rates as well. If people can produce an authenticated certificate showing that they are a member of a church that believes in Jesus, let them have these holidays,  don’t worry about the fact that Jesus saves, people will soon believe when they can get a holiday from that belief.

    • Heath Karl says:

      10:09am | 13/12/10

      Casual workers dont get sickies. How long have you been out of the workforce, Old Clive?

    • Old Yahweh says:

      10:13am | 13/12/10

      jesus saves - Andrew Gaze scores on the rebound.
      I sure hope the bank jesus saves at put up the interest on his deposits this last RBA rise.

    • Steely Dan says:

      05:02pm | 13/12/10

      @ Old Clive

      “can no longer be counted as a Christian country”
      Not since 1901.  See S116.

      “If people can produce an authenticated certificate showing that they are a member of a church that believes in Jesus, let them have these holidays”
      What about the orginal Christmas (Saturnalia) celebrators - the pagans?  And if you bludgers are getting a day off, I’m getting a day off.  If you want to fill your day off with chanting in a church, you’re welcome.  I’ll be catching up with the family.

    • Bron says:

      08:22am | 13/12/10

      I reckon it’s pretty simple-the actual day is the public holiday. If it falls on a weekend, then tough luck. Days like Xmas, Australia, Anzac etc are supposed to be holidays because they have a cultural significance, not just an excuse for a paid day off work. If we want a “paid day off work day”  or a “I want a long weekend day” then lets just cal it what it is & have it on a Monday or Friday every year.

    • AdamC says:

      08:31am | 13/12/10

      That does seem like a strange situation in VIC and SA, though I note it is governments, not greedy employers, who have pincheed the public holiday out of workers’ Christmas stockings.

      Surely Rann is an easy problem to solve. Can’t you just get one of your faceless snakemen to knife him?

    • Jack says:

      08:38am | 13/12/10

      I thought Big Ted was bringing back Christmas?

    • thatmosis says:

      08:39am | 13/12/10

      Sorry people but the 25th december is just another day that has been blown out of all proportion. When I had my business I only had contractors working for me as it was up to them if they wanted to have a day off with no pay. Worked well as most days they worked and those they didnt were freebies for me. Didnt matter if they were weekends or public holidays, no work no pay. Always had a nearly full compliment of workers and got the work done on time which is more than can be said now.

    • Jim says:

      08:48am | 13/12/10

      Another stirring piece by Ged…one would think she is next in line for a Labor portfolio! What safe seat will you be thrown into, Ged? Newcastle? I can only hope you’ll do better than the incumbent…but then again, being a seat full of rusted on mouth-breathers who cheer the ALP on you’ll get zero funding for anything. All the while Hunter Street decays…

      As for public holidays…xmas or not, the main takers for public holidays are bankers, government departments and light industry. I’ve been lucky and had the last 3 xmas periods rostered off, but copped 11 in a row before that. It’s part of my job and I accept it. The place I’m at now (coal mine) is shutting down over xmas - most metal mines continue production.

      The world doesn’t stop at xmas Ged, trains run, TV still works, you can always get a cab and a bite to eat.

    • Newspaperman says:

      09:42am | 13/12/10

      If you work in newspapers, Christmas is just another day. You don’t get holidays in newspapers - you get 6 weeks leave.

    • AJL says:

      01:11pm | 13/12/10

      And that’s how it should be for EVERYONE!
      Scrap all the irrelevant public holidays and give everyone an extra 2 weeks leave.  ANZAC days the only one that’s worth celebrating, get rid of the rest of them.

    • Heath Karl says:

      02:26pm | 13/12/10

      And one holiday for the heterosexuals too please, AJL.

    • Mark says:

      10:37am | 13/12/10

      So dont go to work. Sheesh, unemployment is 5%. You will have new work with a better emoployer before you make it out the door.

      Employee’s, you have the power, your boss cant replace you instantly so use this.

    • Mark says:

      10:43am | 13/12/10

      Blah, blah, blah, blah. Predictable union propaganda for this time of the year.

      Why not do something like take the whole country out on strike as this is a national disgrace or are you happy just to whinge from your laptop sipping a chardy?

      Do your time Ged and a safe seat will turn up soon enough whose constituents you can ignore and won’t have to live in.

    • Cat says:

      10:56am | 13/12/10

      I have had four days leave this year. It is all I am getting. I am probably lucky to have had that. BUT I still object to 25th December not being a public holiday. The consequence is that some people will work that day without extra pay. Others will enjoy a day at home with family and then go to work on the Monday and get extra pay. I suppose those who support the idea think it is reasonable but most Australians will not think of it as a “fair go” because it is not.
      You can bet Rann will have Christmas Day - and the Monday too!

    • Macca says:

      11:12am | 13/12/10

      I like the part where the ACTU boss whinges about State Labor Governments allocation of Public Holidays, then passes the blame onto business.

    • Macca says:

      11:12am | 13/12/10

      I like the part where the ACTU boss whinges about State Labor Governments allocation of Public Holidays, then passes the blame onto business.

    • Jane says:

      11:35am | 13/12/10

      I think Kennet had it right, all public holidays should be celebrated on the day it falls. If it falls on a friday or monday excellent long week end. If it falls midweek - a midweek day off and if it falls on a weekend too bad for the Mon - Fri workers who traditionally are the only ones who benefit from long weekends anyway.

      When more and more industries no longer have weekend penalty rates it is only fair that those that always work the shifts that others dont want get a fair share of public holidays as well.

    • Sandi says:

      11:36am | 13/12/10

      Not happy Jan   . So us nurses who have to forgo celebrating the day with family (  so that the hospitalised public get cared for )  get nothing and those who work the Monday and tuesday get rewarded - just bloody brilliant !  One wonders why the people are leaving the health and community services in droves .  (  All i can say is the amount of sick leave on Xmas day is going to be huge!)

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      12:19pm | 13/12/10

      Bah Humbug!!! Scrooge says everyone should work on Christmas Day….
      ((irony alert there))

    • Al says:

      12:31pm | 13/12/10

      The REALY hillarious thing about this argument is that some of the other states are doing similar things, they have simply used the Boxing Day public holiday instead.
      Therefore people in those states get 25th, 27th and 28th as holidays, in SA and Vic the get 26th, 27th and 28th. As such the NUMBER of Public Holidays is the same, it just falls on different days, so what is the issue?

    • Heath Karl says:

      01:41pm | 13/12/10

      The issue is the 25th of December is Christmas Day.
      I thought the article made that pretty clear.

    • Stace says:

      12:45pm | 13/12/10

      Cancel Christmas. Most people get more stress out of it than happiness anyway.

    • Greg says:

      12:50pm | 13/12/10

      “Since time immemorial civilisations have centred around core beliefs and values that shape their society.”

      And that is why it is especially important that we celebrate the holy Winter Solstice festival of Saturnalia every year as it is representative of everything we as a society hold dear.

    • Tombowler says:

      12:55pm | 13/12/10

      Just thought of new headline for your piece:

      “Workers Paid Market Value for Labour as Commensurate with the Day on Which the Labour was Performed”

      Sub- heading “Union Angry at Market-Value Pay without Unjustified Exorbitant Penalty Rates”
      The article could then detail that the number of public holidays mandated has not been cut down it remains at ten.

      The article could then point out that Christmas Day workers will still be paid whatever the rate of a saturday is. It could next discuss that the public weekend following will be paid at the penalty rate.

      It could do this in the context of they are being paid on a basis commensurate with the day on which they are working.

      I was unaware that Christmas had become “the day in which employees can be paid considerably more than the market deems their services to be worth”

      I mean…. F#$ing honestly.  You aren’t taking issue with people working on Christmas; your just taking issue with their being no obscene compensation for working on christmas.

      Will you similarly argue that the Bank Exec who spends most of his Christmas (and the following public holiday) on his blackberry and laptop deserves special extra compensation above and beyond his worth as determined by the board to compensate for his loss of potential family time?

      No…?

      Because he is already paid enough! So why does the SA Water worker deserve extra compensation? Is his time with his family more valuable than the Bank execs?


      Pfffft

      If you want a paycheck for Christmas day then bloody work and accept pay that bears some relevance to the market value for that days labour.

      Christmas hasn’t got anything to do with ‘free-money’ or exorbitant rates no matter what belief you subscribe to (unless it is perhaps union-hedonism)

    • James1 says:

      01:22pm | 13/12/10

      Why is it unjustified to expect to be paid extra for working while everyone else spends time with their families?

      And throwing execs in there is misleading - a nurse on $50 000 a year working Christmas day for no extra money does not compare to a bank exec on $1 000 000-plus a year doing the same.

    • Heath Karl says:

      01:35pm | 13/12/10

      What is the market value of labour, Tombowler?
      I dont think you can tell me.

    • Tombowler says:

      02:31pm | 13/12/10

      @James 1

      It’s simply scale mate: If a nurse get’s the equivalent of 3 days wage on christmas for sacrificing time with her family then so should a bank exec.

      My argument is closer to this;

      If Christmas day is so very important to you then when you entered into your employment agreement you should have either stipulated a holiday on the 25th of December or sought other employment.

      If you want to work on Christmas because you’d prefer the money then you have to accept the rate applicable for the day on which Christmas falls.

      I see no real link as to why people who, generally, want to work on Christmas for the extra cash should be able to cry foul when it’s no longer offered. It was good fortune, not a right, that this sort of overtime used to be offered.

      @Heath Karl:

      Not sure what your getting at here.

      I suspect you’ve been tricked by the American dictionary built in to the Punch re: my correct spelling of ‘labour’ and think your cleverly highlighting my stupidity in one of two ways:

      1) A syntactical error where I have confused the word with the proper noun for the political party (in reality the American ‘Labor’)

      2)You think i merely misspelled the word and were making a much more childish pun

      In any case the market value of ‘labour’ will depend on the particularly industry, skill-set, economic state etc.

      If it’s a genuine question then it makes full sense that you are currently been diddled by an exploitative employer and I truly feel sorry for you as you are clearly doomed to hang onto the bottom rung in a form of intellectually under-developed rigor-mortis ..

    • Brett says:

      08:51am | 14/12/10

      Well put Tombowler - Didn’t think of the exec that would work half the day, possibly even coming into the office to work, and probably still works on his 4 weeks leave a year. But hang on, he doesn’t deserve extra pay, his pay should be cut because he earns more than an unskilled shelf packer!

      The left wing union hypocrisy is rife today!

      Hey Unions, how about you actually do something useful, like support random drug an alcohol testing in workplaces to imrpove the safety of your memebers, instead of blocking it, or actually push for safety improvements instead of bitching to the safety managers who all seem to hate you and your useless meddling. Support companies disciplinary actions against beligerant employees as they only serve to screw over your hard working members. Oh that’s right, that would be logical, can’t do that hey.

    • Dalek Supreme says:

      01:02pm | 13/12/10

      As a worker in the health sector for the WA government, I am pretty sure everytime a public holiday falls on a weekend, we get paid weekend penalty rates and not public holiday rates (which are somewhat higher). Those who work on the following monday will get the public holiday rates. So its surprising for me that WA doesn’t rate a mention when we have been doing it for donkey years.

    • Jill Biddington says:

      01:08pm | 13/12/10

      The funny thing about what is claimed as trolling and irony here is so often said in real life by people who absolutely believe what you say -@TChong.  So you call it irony and trolling but those who believe it don’t - try harder on the irony please as when it is reflective of real attitudes in the community it is difficult for those of us who mix with lots of people to know that it is an attempt at your humour. 

      Now if you had written something amusing about Politicians wanting to have a public holiday for religious observance only, then I would have understood you were stirring the pot.

    • Ben C says:

      02:09pm | 13/12/10

      Ged, your argument about compensation would only carry weight in respect of casual employees. For full-time employees, they will receive the Saturday penalty rate for working on Christmas Day, and they will also receive one day’s pay at their base rate if they don’t work on the Monday or Tuesday (public holiday penalty rates if they do work those days). Refer to the National Employment Standards, Division 10 (paragraphs 114 to 116)
      http://www.fairwork.gov.au/Documents/The-National-Employment-Standards-Part2-2-Fair-Work-Act-2009.pdf

      (Copy and paste the link if it doesn’t hyperlink properly.)

    • chris B says:

      05:07pm | 13/12/10

      yes that may be so but it doesnt compensate for the fact you are missing out on what is traditionally known as family time .I have missed out on so many of my kids happy faces on xmas morning and now my grandkids due to the fact that im a nurse and must work whatever days my roster tells me to, But every few years if your lucky you can apply for annual leave at this time, This may be granted going by previous amounts of times you have worked through xmas and if they can replace you, this year im lucky i have a week of A/L after working for the last 8 xmas days..

    • Mike says:

      04:50pm | 13/12/10

      I am not really fussed over overtime rates, I just want a job, any job that pays the bills and allows me to buy Christmas gifts for my kids. A Job Please.

    • sandra nelson says:

      06:41pm | 13/12/10

      Australia was Xmas until white satan arrived in 1788.
      before 1788, Australia was Heaven.
      after 1788 ,Australia has been HELL

    • B says:

      09:02am | 14/12/10

      Are you serious? Your one of those?  Go live under a rock then.  Because thats what you think Australians should live like if you think that!!!

      Dont have to be racist either.  Jeeze.  How did noone else pick that up???

    • Peta says:

      08:18pm | 13/12/10

      I don’t have a problem with Xmas day penalties. But why should bosses pay twice. they have made Xmas day and boxing day holidays and then given an extra day public holiday for each of them so bosses have to pay twice. That is wrong. Would pay twice for your car. Or your electricity or your groceries? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Petal says:

      08:30pm | 13/12/10

      Hey Macca, I employ over 200 casual staff. I know all about the Modern Award. Casual staff are always payed 25%more than that of a part or full timer. Thanks for your words. Casual Labour is vital for both the business and employee world. I wish people would speak from knowledge except from opinion without education. Most employers are good I for one look after every employee and have fought to reinstate higher wages for them this year when the modern award downgraded their payment conditions. But hey aren’t all bosses out to screw the employees???? That’s what Gillard thinks.

    • Andrew says:

      08:42pm | 13/12/10

      Interesting view on things.  People want and/or need the services that operate on 25th December (I mean, who can do without that slurpy at 2am??), but nobody wants to provide them.  Now, some professions have the obvious expectation that they WILL need to work - nurses police, firefighters, 7-11 cashiers, etc.  For these people to complain that they cannot get time off is ridiculous, as they would have known it was part of the job that they signed up for.  So the real issue is money, as usual.  People are quite prepared to work on these ‘special days’ as long as they are adequately compensated.  So yes, while it seems a bit strange, it’s no different to having (say) the Australia Day holiday on a Monday instead of the weekend.

      As for the ridiculous “I can’t work on Christmas Day because of my religion” argument, it’s rubbish.  If I declare myself a Pastafarian, and devout follower of the flying spaghetti monster, do I automatically then have the right to take “Talk Like a Pirate” day, the holy day of that religion, off work?  Can Muslims take their holy days off?  How about Jewish people and Hanukkah?  There’s thousands of ‘holy days’, each just as ridiculous as the last.  Either respect them all (impossible) or respect none.

      Here’s a better solution - scrap the Christmas Day public holiday altogether, and instead have a “End of Year Holiday” which falls on (say) the last Monday in December.  Everybody then gets a holiday to spend with the family, and there’s no disputes about weekend penalty rates vs public holiday penalty rates.

    • Ridi Culous says:

      02:46pm | 14/12/10

      @Andrew, as a practising Pastafarian,  I am deeply offended at your insults to our Pastafarian “Talk Like a Pirate” day and your insensitive, off-handed dismissal of our beloved flying spaghetti monster.

    • B says:

      07:24am | 14/12/10

      To all those whinging about losing a day on Monday.  I say SUCK IT UP.  The public holiday iS CHRISTMAS.  You cannot forfiet the actual Holiday and say “Hold it till monday” just so YOU weekday workers can get an extra day off.  Thats your own fault for being in that industry.

      For once in your working life do something for someone else.  Why not try working weekends for once.

      I think alot of employers on here would agree with me when I say it is much cheaper to pay 2% of your workers extra on the Public Holiday on a weekend. than to pay 95% of your staff Public Holiday rates(or day off) on the Monday.

    • elle1606 says:

      03:59pm | 15/12/10

      im a nurse, im working on xmas day, i wasnt rostered on but purely volunteer. i work in a very hard sector. now, who would rather be at work, getting a normal rate, working your guts out then at home with your family and friends having a drink and a lovely day? there is no incentive to work on this day and it’s patient care that will suffer in the end.

    • nathan says:

      11:29pm | 17/12/10

      I work Fridays saturdays and sundays cleaning trains. So I have to work for normal pay and then the week crew come in on monday and reap the rewards.. It sux..

    • Johnno says:

      04:29pm | 19/12/10

      What is so special about newspapers?
      All the essential services that work 24/7 are in the same situation.
      If you don’t like it find another job, and stop whinging.
      You are looked after by extra time off

 

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