I’m *hick* having trooble righting this *hick* column because I’ve had too much to drunk. I can’t talk ploply, I’m photocopying my privates and bumping into lampposts like a pin-ball. But I’m Australian, so that’s funny, right?

Well, as funny as the behaviour of the three Welsh tourists who woke up in their Gold Coast hotel last week to find Dirk the penguin in their room. Though the men’s wrists will be slapped, our culture is incredibly accepting of alcohol-fuelled larrikins. But if you drink to the point where you can’t remember your actions, surely your hobby is nothing less than amnesia.

Dirk remembers and if Dirk could speak he too might have phoned in to the radio station I recently heard inviting callers to share the most unusual place they had woken up after a big night out. In prison, on the roof of a car and in the middle of a roundabout were some of the improvised beds the everyday Aussies had occupied. Park benches are only for full-time drunks it seems.

Regardless of how you define it – ‘a few noisy ones’ if you’re a participant; ‘binge drinking’ if you’re in public policy – alcohol is a social lubricant in Oz. It’s the liquid equivalent of loosening your tie. In most social situations we need a drink to kick things off. No XXXX, no party. 

But according to the latest poll by the Foundation for Alcohol Research and Education (FARE), the party has got out of hand and Australia has a drinking problem. Here are the sobering stats:

  • 76 per cent of Australians believe Australia has a problem with alcohol abuse
  • 79 per cent believe that alcohol-related problems will worsen or stay the same in the next 10 years
  • 36 per cent of drinkers (approx 4.1 million people) and 61 per cent of Gen Y drinkers consume alcohol with the intention of getting drunk

Relax. Have a drink. I’m no Eliot Ness and this is no hypocritical rant. Drink was far from untouchable when I was growing up and I too overindulged with my mates. Though our actions were often immature, a few beers made us feel quite the opposite. We’d go out on St Patrick’s Day and come home greener than our highrise hats.

I never really questioned why we drank – it was the done thing, part of the culture, almost a rite of passage. Unlike my Italian wife and her friends, as kids we hadn’t been offered alcohol by our parents and so we encroached upon the legal drinking age salivating for the illicit drop.

Drinking had been demonised. I remember the ‘Alcohol: it’s no good for growing bodies’ anti youth-drinking campaigns on telly, featuring a group of kids trying to cross a river by tight-roping across a fallen tree trunk. The kid who drank fell in, unbalanced in more ways than one.

But when my sporting heroes triumphed and had microphones shoved in their winning grins, their first comments were invariably: “We’re going to have a few tonight.” The change room was awash with champagne. And Rodney Marsh was a legend for drinking 50-odd cans on a flight to London. In stark contrast to what the government was telling me, drinking was the stuff of champions.

From the Fosters Australian Grand Prix to the VB Tri-Series Cricket, drinking almost seemed the patriotic thing to do. Alcohol was as everyday to a young Aussie as water to a fish. But then I moved to Europe and became a fish out of water.

The café culture was a sobering experience. I realised it was possible to let your hair down (well, perhaps not in my case) without encouragement from alcohol. I participated in sober singalongs with my Italian friends which would have taken my Aussie mates several cases of beer to attempt. And their city pavements on a Sunday morning are far less technicolored than ours.

I once told an Italian friend that at housewarming parties in Australia we fill the bath with booze. When I then went to his housewarming he led me excitedly to the bathroom and – “da-dah!” – standing proud by the plug hole were six bottles of Nastro Azzuro on an ice cube container. In Italy, when it comes to alcohol, quality drinks quantity under the table.

Europe has a cocktail of problems at the moment and you’d think I was drunk if I suggested their way of life better than ours.

But when it comes to attitudes to drinking, if the FARE statistics are correct and Australia truly believes it has a drinking problem, the cafe culture is perhaps the one European lead we could follow. If an Italian radio station asked callers for the most unusual places they had woken up, listeners would hear stories from callers intoxicated by passion rather than alcohol.

But who’s responsible for our new-found moderation? The drinkers? The suppliers? Dirk the penguin? The most sobering FARE statistic is that only 5 per cent of Australians believe the alcohol industry is doing the best it can to address alcohol related harms, compared with the gambling industry (12 per cent), the tobacco industry (15 per cent) and the fast food industry (21 per cent).

It’s sobering because that means people think we should be saved by others rather than by ourselves. It’s up to us to drink responsibly, to heed that half-hearted warning on the wine bottle. If we wait for the alcohol industry to help us, we’ll be driven to drink.

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    • I forgot my name says:

      06:04pm | 01/05/12

      Are you throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

    • stephen says:

      04:43pm | 01/05/12

      What’s wrong then with putting internet cafes inside the pub, and getting rid of these ridiculous poker machines ?
      Those who want to Google all afternoon can, and they do not have to drink alcohol but sip coffee.
      The drinkers can guzzle their beers and listen to a live band, (which now, by the way, can be classed at entertainment, as the poker supposedly are thought of now.)

      Pubs should not only sell alcohol, but maybe be a meeting place for different kinds of people.
      What causes problems in hotels is not only the effects of inebriation but that a herd mentality is assumed because everybody is at a pub for the same reason.
      A variety of clientele may be a solution.

    • jimbo says:

      03:12pm | 01/05/12

      Can you believe that after 25 years in the Police I have some funny stories to tell about the effect that alcohol has on society.
      One incident I remember is when, late one night we reponded to a single motor vehicle acident and found the driver, a young male who after having a good drinking night out had dropped his girlfriend home and had then crashed into a tree.  I was holding his head in my lap when he bled to death.  When his father identified his body to me in the morgue he gave out the most inhuman scream I have ever heard and still remember to this day.  Talk about laugh!
      I went to a domestic once and the wifes face was battered to a pulp and the little kids were terrified and screaming while the drunken dad was strutting around the house acting like some sort of demented hero.
      It was so funny but I guess you had to be there.
      Half the bloggers on this site probably have not seen the consequences of excess drink on everyday families.  Alcohol is the biggest problem that we have so why do people try to trivialise it.
      Each generation thinks they have invented drink and sex and never learn from the experience of people who have seen the pain drink causes.
      If you can handle the truth ask a copper or a nurse or an ambo what they have seen and see if it is still funny.

    • Cynicised says:

      06:01pm | 02/05/12

      I’m a nurse, jimbo and have seen the worst of alcohol and drug abuse too, but that still doesn’t make me a wowser. I suppose it’s because I do not believe that everyone who drinks is going to do something stupid or criminal,as goemez12 says. Believe me, I have never forgotten either some of the things I’ve seen, but I get that they are the minority, not the majority of people who enjoy a drink, even sometimes to excess.

    • Gomez12 says:

      04:34pm | 01/05/12

      Asking a cop/ambo about the affects of alcohol is like asking the victim of a prison gang-rape about sex. It’s a massively biased view from those forced to deal with the worst-case scenario every single time.

      Much like those who attend the Xmas party have a very different view from those who clean it up the next morning.

      And jimbo, the two examples you give are of people committing crimes while under the affect of alcohol, not that they were caused by alcohol. So a valid argument can be made once again that criminal acts should be punished rather than society as a whole punished for the acts of the very few. Plenty of arse-hats out there that will speed/bash their wives without touching a drop and plenty of total alcoholics that wouldn’t dream of driving a car or hurting their loved ones.

      I take it you don’t drink at all jimbo?

    • Cynicised says:

      01:17pm | 01/05/12

      Why oh why does the Punch keep bombarding us with the same tired subjects over and over? Probably because idiots like me read and reply to them, I guess! Ha! Really though, I’m sure we’ve already reached this year’s quota for hand-wringing over our alcohol consumption.It’s getting boring now, chaps.

      That said, yes we have a drinking culture. Yes, Europeans can get just as pissed. Yes, quality beats quantity every time. No, I don’t feel particularly perturbed that adults drink for the buzz..and I do think that an effort is being made by governments to allow more moderate behaviour to become the norm. My local football club is a good example. Some of the “old-school”: types get a tad annoyed when the bar closes at midnight and their car keys are not returned to them if they are three sheets to the wind. Tough. It’s safer for everyone. However, rampant wowserism and some form of identitiy system other than a driver’s license is bollocks. Personal responsibility still applies and so it should, in a free society.

    • subotic says:

      02:55pm | 01/05/12

      Why oh why does the Punch keep bombarding us with the same tired subjects over and over?

      Hell yea. Bring on that Sex Party chick to do a few more articles about her party politics. That’s what I’m talkin’ ‘bout….

    • Helt says:

      01:05pm | 01/05/12

      A few days ago David Penberthy wrote about bouncers and demonised them as thugs and gorillas. He wrote a lively tale of how they got drunk abused intimidated and asaulted a bouncer while out on the piss and then managed to put a lot of people out of work when they closed that business because the boycotted it. Why is Australian culture “I can do whatever I want and no one can stop me?” I think people should be allowed to drink as much as they want with the knowledge if they drink and lose control of themselves no one else will be blamed but themselves. See how many of these people who know their “rights” will suddenly settle down and stop acting like entitled dickheads if they cant blame their misfortunes on others and get away with it. Police should go after the problem at its source not bouncers clubs or pubs but the people who cant handle their alcohol and punish them for being a blight on society. I cant think of any other self induced problem that is allowed to be a mitagating instead of aggraating condition like being drunk is allowed to be. Instead of celebrating a story of getting drunk abusing bouncers at the job destroying property and reckless disregard for your body we should shake our heads and tell these story teller what these tales of debauchery and violence are

      Poor Form Mate

    • Peter Dellaplane says:

      12:51pm | 01/05/12

      Here’s a crazy idea - lets not change anything.  Let people drink how/when/where they like, and if anyone breaks the law let the judicial system handle it. 

      Everything else is THEIR life and believe it or not, there are always going to be people who have shitty lives regardless of how many laws you make.

      And as for those stats, are you really going to put any weight in a report about drinking written by the Foundation for Alcohol Research and Education ? 

      Perhaps we should commission a report by Carlton United Brewers, you know, to help balance things up a little.

      This country is turning into a prison and I’m amazed by how many people are made happy by that fact.

    • Boris says:

      11:54am | 01/05/12

      The real issue is idiots not alcohol.

      I don’t buy the “drinking turns people into idiots” debate, they were wankers before they picked up their first drink of the night. Alcohol just gave them the courage to further their stupidity. Ask any good barman, they know who the wankers are when they walk up to buy their first drink.

      Plenty of rational, sane, professionals I know get totally wasted on weekends (drink and/or drugs) and never cause any problems in public or at home.

      There’s nothing wrong with getting drunk IF you’re not a wanker. Unless we as a society are going to cull wankers (obviously no chance of that), issues with alcohol will continue.

      Once again, dickheads have spoilt it for the rest of us.

    • Lauren says:

      01:11pm | 01/05/12

      Spot on Boris.

    • Fred says:

      11:49am | 01/05/12

      Europe probably has better public transport. If I have to spend an hour and a half on public transport at night to get home, or $100 or more on a taxi, then I want to be drunk.

      It’s probably our personalities too, we need to be drunk to like each other.

      And damnit it’s just fun and it’s worth the misery of a hangover.

      I think our supposed alchohol problems are kind of bs. I know I drink too much when I drink, but few people I’ve known do.

    • Biggles says:

      10:59am | 01/05/12

      Hailing from Europe I am always amused by the idea that Europe has a civilised drinking culture, where everyone sips coffee gaily enjoying the intellectual stimulation in a sophisticated cafe culture.  What bollocks.  It is like a European saying how Australians all wear khaki and work with crocodiles after visiting Australia Zoo.  Get real, the world is full of piss heads desperate to have a higher alcohol level than a vodka bottle, no matter where you go.  What changes, when travelling, is who you socialise with and the article reveals the type, the writer chooses to socialise with, rather than make a legitimate observation on Australian society.

    • boltsafe says:

      10:08am | 01/05/12

      I sink piss like a champion. I’m good at my job (which requires me to be physically fit). I don’t harm other people and I have a better quality of life then most.

      So if you have a problem with alcohol here’s an answer for you… Don’t drink it. Don’t go to bars / clubs where there are drunks if you don’t like the behaviour. Have your wild night with your 4 drinks at home.

      I, like most Australians; don’t need saving from a ‘drinking problem’ -because I have no don’t have a problem with my drinking. Get off your high horse ya tee-totlers and mind your own business.

    • Wayne Kerr says:

      04:57pm | 01/05/12

      Well in defence of boltsafe.  I used to go out as a young bloke and get trashed. WMMe and my friends went out with the express purpose of getting drunk as did most people around us.  Now that was around 30 years ago. So if Gen Y are drinking to get drunk, it’s nothing new at all.

      I drink too much too often and I’m approaching 50 and I still play sport and am quite fit etc and I don’t hurt anybody when I’m having a beer in front of the TV.  If I have health problems from my drinking in the future well I’ll be the first to blame myself and nobody else.

    • boltsafe says:

      03:23pm | 01/05/12

      Oh of course you are right….... Spend my youth avoiding fun, adventure and enjoyable social occasions so I can have an even better time when Im 50! The way I live I proble wont make it there… and the way I live I would most likely have actually ‘lived’ more then most that do… So why take that away from me? Id rather look back if I get to 50 and say I enjoyed the fruits of life then look back when im 50 and wonder what I was tee-todling for?

    • Helt says:

      01:12pm | 01/05/12

      How old are you now Boltsafe? Late 20s to Mid 30s? See if you can look at your response at 50 and see if you feel the same way

    • Helt says:

      01:12pm | 01/05/12

      How old are you now Boltsafe? Late 20s to Mid 30s? See if you can look at your response at 50 and see if you feel the same way

    • fml says:

      10:08am | 01/05/12

      “No XXXX, no party.”

      That’s bring some better beer or no entry.

      “36 per cent of drinkers (approx 4.1 million people) and 61 per cent of Gen Y drinkers consume alcohol with the intention of getting drunk”

      Not me, I consume alcohol to get sober.

      “Europe has a cocktail of problems at the moment and you’d think I was drunk if I suggested their way of life better than ours. ” Well if they had a quality beer economy like we do here maybe they wouldnt be up the proverbial creek with out any hands but with two paddles.

      One thing that gets me with the constant comparisons to european culture and the correlation to drinking is that the commentators usually act like there is very little drinking in Europe. The italian’s, greeks and spanish do not drink to get drunk, and where is their economy? on the brink of bankruptcy, Australia, Russia, Japan and Germany all heavy drinkers and their economy? not on the brink of bankruptcy.

      Therefore binge drinking is good for Australia, it’s our patriotic duty.

    • Admiral Ackbar says:

      11:46am | 01/05/12

      I questioned the XXXX thing also. We should be standing vigilant against those who would subject us to crap beer, not encouraging them.

      ‘Therefore binge drinking is good for Australia, it’s our patriotic duty.’ - I’ll take one for the team and get right on that.

    • fml says:

      09:51am | 01/05/12

      “I’m *hick* having trooble righting this *hick* column because I’ve had too much to drunk. I can’t talk ploply, I’m photocopying my privates and bumping into lampposts like a pin-ball. But I’m Australian, so that’s funny, right?”


      AHAHAHAHAH thats hilarious! it’s sooooooo me!

    • Lauren says:

      09:46am | 01/05/12

      So, I have recently switched from commuting by train to work to commuting by bicycle, and I have to say that(despite some wanker cyclists and some wanker drivers) I have absolutely fallen in love with it!

      I only wish I had have gotten into it sooner, since we are going into winter and riding in the rain isn’t as fun as riding in the sun! grin

    • Admiral Ackbar says:

      11:42am | 01/05/12

      I want what she’s having.

    • subotic says:

      10:53am | 01/05/12

      Spot the raving alcoholic….

    • Lauren says:

      10:00am | 01/05/12

      Ahhh! This was meant for the FFA topic..whoops

    • Stanly k says:

      09:26am | 01/05/12

      Just for the record Marsh managed 48 beers on the flight to england, David Boon was the one who managed 52 a few years later. Still the current record.

    • pC says:

      09:23am | 01/05/12

      sorry…all I took out of that was…rodney marsh drank 50? i think you mean david boon…you know, Boonie? surely you know boonie…

    • Tim says:

      11:37am | 01/05/12

      Boonie drank 52 breaking Rodney Marsh’s previous record of 44-45.

    • Redeker Plan says:

      11:01am | 01/05/12

      Yeah, count me in on that WTF!  Isn’t that the reason VB made a talking doll out of him?

    • adam says:

      09:14am | 01/05/12

      As I finish my third morning snifter, and the hair of the dog takes effect, I shall dismiss this wowserism and return to my employment.

      Please return your chairs to the upright position, taxi us to the runway stewardess, I’m busy with these pink elephants at the mo

    • M says:

      09:04am | 01/05/12

      Australians taking responsibility for their own actions? ahaha, just have a look at subiotic’s comment, more laws, more restrictions.

      This country is still a penal colony.

    • subotic says:

      02:23pm | 01/05/12

      The point is that a person cannot purchase alcohol without the presentation of a photo ID.

      No ID - no alcohol.

      Doesn’t matter if you look like you’re 112 in the shade, if you don’t have a photo ID, you can’t purchase a bottle.

      Half the damn tax/ costs applied to alcohol are related to keeping it out of the reach of the young ‘uns. How about keeping it out of their reach by not serving them at the counter? No extra tax required….

      And hell, don’t think I’m not getting geared up to start “subotic Bin 43” at home. It’s on the “to do” list.

    • M says:

      01:52pm | 01/05/12

      And your point is what exactly?

    • subotic says:

      11:40am | 01/05/12

      @M, we don’t need another card. Just proof of age ie. drivers licence.

      Any old piece of legal documentation with a photo and date of birth is a “card”...

    • M says:

      10:59am | 01/05/12

      We already have licences and proof of age cards, why do we need another card?

      If price is really a big issue for you, start brewing at home.

    • subotic says:

      09:24am | 01/05/12

      more laws, more restrictions.

      Maybe. Maybe not.

      So, if we card everyone’s candy ass, and now brewers are free to up the alcohol content and lower the price tags, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that less restriction?

      And if everyone gets carded, then if kidletts somehow manage to convince their older sister or step-mother (subotic, breaking analogical stereotypes once again) to purchase a bottle of cheap plonk for them, then the onus isn’t on the poor bottle-o and the penal colony overlords will be free to tackle the issue at the source - McFamilies.

      Teach your kids well, give subotic cheap, hi alcohol percentage grog, and hand me the remote.

      Honestly, can it really be so goddamn difficult?

    • SteveKAG says:

      08:12am | 01/05/12

      I think that report is just being alarmist because of who commisioned it and what it is intended for.

      I would take that report with a grain of salt to be fair.

    • willie says:

      03:23pm | 01/05/12

      “76 per cent of Australians believe Australia has a problem with alcohol abuse “
      Well if you keep telling everyone Australia has a problem they will start to believe you.
      “79 per cent believe that alcohol-related problems will worsen or stay the same in the next 10 years “
      Thats because every generation thinks the next one is full of no hopers.
      “36 per cent of drinkers (approx 4.1 million people) and 61 per cent of Gen Y drinkers consume alcohol with the intention of getting drunk “
      Did they ask what the definition of drunk is, im not drunk utill I cant talk, my sister id drunk when she feels light headed.

      What about the fact that we drink less now than we did in the past?

    • SteveKAG says:

      01:09pm | 01/05/12

      Rose

      I consider myself of reasonable intelligence.

      The report is by a lobby group vying to reduce alcohol, they are the same group that forced a heavy tax on aclopops, they say it was a success yet we see a sharp rise in 750ml bottles of full strength spirits and a massive increase (in their own report) of cheap wine.

      It is akin to asking the anti smoking council and the council for ciggarette manfucaturers to detail a report on the affects of smoking…...I wonder what both reports would say???

      I am not dismissing reports out of hand but i do dismiss the ones with an obvious bias and like Kerion has stated, statistics are meaningless without context.

      You say drinking and drugs are massive problem in this country, what is that based on?
      I can tell you i am at the coal face of drug and alcohol addiction and i don’t think it is any worse that what it was 20 years ago…just different.

      This is just another story publicising another agenda of controlling the masses…....just let us be!

    • Kheiron says:

      11:38am | 01/05/12

      All reports should be taken ‘with a grain of salt’, particularly the ones that agree with you.

      It shouldn’t be the case, but statistics without proper context can easily be misleading and even ‘scientific’ studies usually have a degree of bias depending on where the funding is.

      I doubt reports on this issue are inherently dismissed out of hand as in Rose’ reasoning, though.

    • subotic says:

      11:01am | 01/05/12

      I love Patsy.

    • patsy says:

      09:59am | 01/05/12

      And it’s acceptable to have a glass of wine in the morning if you drop a berocca in it. It does look like orange juice, really.

    • Rose says:

      09:34am | 01/05/12

      ..and therein lies one of the problems we have, discounting reports because they say what you don’t want to hear. Australia has a massive alcohol and drug problem, but we excuse people their drunken sins provided they can pick themselves up and get to work on time during the week. We ignore the effect it has on families and society when you have people getting around pissed as a fart on a regular basis. families in crisis, massive costs in terms of health care, accidents, policing and deaths of the drinkers and often innocent victims. We don’t think of people’s drinking as a problem as long as they are happy drunks, it’s only the sad, angry or difficult drunks that we look down upon
      You can ignore this report, joke about it, whatever you like, but intelligent people will take notice of what it says and try and learn from it.

    • subotic says:

      09:12am | 01/05/12

      ...or a hit of blow off the tip of a Bowie knife

    • Chris L says:

      08:43am | 01/05/12

      ... or with a glass of whiskey.

    • Sam says:

      08:34am | 01/05/12

      ” take that report with a grain of salt”  a slice of lemon and a shot of Tequila.

    • Kerryn says:

      08:04am | 01/05/12

      I must be the only Australian over the age of 18 who has never ever been drunk in their life!

      It’s no fun trying to drag your friends up out of a cold puddle because they’re too drunk to walk, or to try and break up a fight that’s fuelled by alcohol.  And people say I’m the crazy one for not letting that stuff near my bloodstream.

    • ? says:

      02:47pm | 01/05/12

      i ended alsleep on a dirty toliet floor at a band venue with vomit down the front of my dress, make up streaked sans my underwear and handbag. that was the last time i did it. its paid off for me, i dont look a day over 28 and i’m in my middle 40’s

    • Kheiron says:

      11:11am | 01/05/12

      I remember a few times I got drunk.
      I’ve thrown up on my housemates bed and slept in it
      I’ve run through the streets butt naked
      I’ve even woken up naked in the shower, with the door open and a clear line of sight to 6 people playing cards in the next room.
      And that was one weekend.

      Then again, on my 18th birthday my father and brother-in-law to me took me to the pub. I had a coke.

      Drinking is fine. Even getting drunk and falling down is fine. Just so long as it’s not your default state or the expected outcome of a weekend.
      If you can’t have fun without booze there’s something wrong with you and your group of friends.

    • M says:

      10:57am | 01/05/12

      I’ve got some great memories of staggering along streets at night with other similarly affected mates.

      Good times.

    • boltsafe says:

      09:52am | 01/05/12

      Kerryn you have not lived a day in your life.

    • Nadia says:

      09:21am | 01/05/12

      I don’t drink and I have lots of friends who don’t either. Also, I’ve never dragged anyone out of a puddle. My friends just don’t do that. I think it must be a cultural thing in some circles.

    • subotic says:

      08:02am | 01/05/12

      A society with an alcohol problem? Simple fix -

      CARD EVERYONE.

      Every single soul who walks up to a checkout with alcohol to purchase - CARD THEM. No ID - No boozeroonie bucko. Too simple.

      Then, how about bringing the prices down and alcohol content up, and maybe the “growed-ups” can finally enjoy the miserable existence we endure under the government in this country.

      Don’t you just hate it when the simple, practical solutions are always the ones overlooked?

    • Kheiron says:

      01:42pm | 01/05/12

      @Rose, no problem. It’s a huge issue, arguably the biggest one facing Australians.
      I’ll agree with your point on self-esteem on a few conditions.
      Self worth is build through actual achievements, not empty platitudes. An emphasis is placed in achievement through effort rather than ‘this is what you’re owed’ and children learn to deal with obligations, consequence and failure early.
      The current set up we have for them doesn’t even come close.

      As for sub, I’m right there with you.
      My ideal is a society where everyone is responsible and mature enough that the need for legal ‘guardianship’ is negated. Basically a point where laws that are ‘for our own good’ aren’t deemed necessary.
      Alcohol seems to be the ideal first step in that.

    • Rose says:

      12:20pm | 01/05/12

      Sorry for jumping down your throat Kheiron, I re-read your post and I did jump in all gun blazing, probably because this is something really important to me. I’m sick of watching people being heralded as good blokes or somehow ‘legendary’ because they’re always up for a drink, or because they can drink x-amount and still be standing.  We just tend to ignore who it’s really affecting, the kids who get dragged along to the footy club or pub as their weekly family outing just so mum/dad can get pissed, the victims of DV when the drunken spouse lets rip, the stress and chaos in homes where alcohol is the priority over all other things. I’m sick of people ignoring the problems because people aren’t really drunks unless they’re homeless, jobless and/ or grubby.
      I’m by no means advocating bans or restrictions or anything similar, I enjoy a few drinks with friends and am no stranger to the occasional few too many. What I am advocating is calling on the Australian culture of mateship and helping our mates by reducing our national dependence on alcohol and promoting the idea that alcohol is something that can be enjoyed without it taking over. Being a mate and helping prevent your mate from getting lost in the bottom of the bottle.

    • Rose says:

      12:07pm | 01/05/12

      There is only one way to stop kids drinking excessively as a default position when they go out, spend their entire childhoods reinforcing the notion that they are worth more. Spend time and effort letting them know how worthwhile they are, that they have the world at their feet and they have the ability to work and reap the rewards. By building up their self-esteem you build up their expectations and their sense of responsibility. The better some one feels about themselves the more they think they owe it to themselves to work hard and succeed. I’m not talking about teaching kids the world owes them a living, but teaching them they they are capable of living a great life if they choose.
      Good self esteem is the biggest protector against peer group pressure, abusive relationships, alcohol and substance abuse simply because the kids focus on their future and are way less likely to trash themselves and risk throwing it all away.

    • subotic says:

      11:51am | 01/05/12

      I’d expect getting carded is acceptable because of the drinking culture.

      Correct. And we, Australia, have no choice but to accept the drinking culture is here; now, let’s deal with it. Other countries have, we can too. Carding people for purchase is a simple, cost effective way of achieving that. As for the gradual implementation, I have no problem with that. Or a date. They gave us a date when we went to decimal back in the 60’s, and bugger me, we all survived…

      I see no reason why we shouldn’t put some real effort into moulding the next generation

      Fair call. I agree. And maybe some of the money we save being taxed to death at the bottle shop can be used as a part of an education tax or whatever. I have no issue with a sensible tax being used to educate and better the future of society. It’s really not an issue.

      I never once said anything about punishment or restriction, either.

      But the current laws punish and restrict us, don’t they? So let’s try a change. Nothing to lose, and possibly everything to gain…

    • Kheiron says:

      11:25am | 01/05/12

      @subotic
      I think you’re putting the horse before the cart with your comparison.
      I doubt the drinking culture where-ever you’ve been is acceptable because they get carded. I’d expect getting carded is acceptable because of the drinking culture.
      I don’t see that system being of any actual effect if simply slotted into Australia. It could certainly be a part of a gradual change in our drinking culture, but on it’s own it’s bound to fail.

      As for parental control, now there’s a issue. I’ll be the first to agree that parents should be held fully responsible for their children and held to a far higher standard than currently allowed. I’d agree if you said almost every failing of our society can be resolved with the intelligent assistance of parents.
      I also admit that’s wishful thinking. Too many d-bags, too insular a society and too much ‘hippy’ influence in policy.
      We’ve proven time and again we won’t get tough on parents, will willingly blame everyone but and think self esteem is a vastly more important factor than being a functional member of society.
      Given that setting I see no reason why we shouldn’t put some real effort into moulding the next generation so they can become the parents we’d like them to be, in spite of the parents they currently have.

      Forcing an ideal or opinion on an adult simply doesn’t work, especially when they’re been raised with contrary ones.
      Start with the kids, though, and we can make global changes happen.

      I never once said anything about punishment or restriction, either.

    • Kheiron says:

      11:02am | 01/05/12

      Settle down Rose, there was no blaming going on and you’ve finished your post by agreeing with mine.
      The young people should be our primary target because they’re the next generation of parents and they’re at a stage where they can still be influenced.
      We stop one generation from being booze hounds and we stop the issue with the next one ‘copying their elders’.
      Getting every 40+ year old off the grog isn’t going to to mean sh*t to the thousands of teenagers currently drinking until they pass out. The damage from their influence has already been perpetuated.

    • subotic says:

      11:00am | 01/05/12

      @Kheiron, if it can’t work here, why does it work in other countries?

      I’ve been to a number of so-called developed/ 1st world countries where it is enforced without question by either staff or customers. Both sides of the fence know the deal, play the game, and end up with a culture where you can walk into a goddamn supermarket and get a bottle of Johnny Walker Black Label off the shelf for under $30.

      Isn’t that worth a shot?

      And as for the kids, sure, it’s a culture thing, but that is a totally different issue and boils down to parental control, not societal control.

      Why punish me because you can’t control your tweens?

    • M says:

      10:56am | 01/05/12

      Kheiron is correct. Attitudes need to change, not laws. We already have RSA laws, why do we need more restrictions?

    • Kheiron says:

      10:54am | 01/05/12

      I can just imagine it if Tims idea was put through.
      Rampant drink trading, card forgeries, government screw ups (“opps, I accidentally put the entire community’s drink allowance on this one guys card…and that was three months ago!”) and a whole new criminal network.

      I’m looking forward to it.

    • Rose says:

      10:46am | 01/05/12

      Bullshit Kheiron, blaming young people is a cheap shot. I know many, many people in their 30s, 40s and 50s who live such alcohol based lives it’s scary, but no one considers them alcoholics because, while they don’t seem to be able to survive any social event without grog they still make it to work and maintain a roof over their head. One particular guy has already buried about 3 family members due to alcohol caused disease, his father is gravely ill with liver and kidney problems and the entire family still hasn’t curbed their consumption.
      Australia is proud of its alcohol culture despite the fact it is causing so much pain for families, despite the massive burden on the public purse, despite the social problems it causes. Our young kids do have serious alcohol problems, but they are just copying their elders.

    • Kheiron says:

      10:27am | 01/05/12

      That’s hardly going to work. Liquor vendors will get sick of asking for ID within the first week and the 50 year old shift worker will be sick of being asked the first time it happens. Net result, it just won’t happen.

      The biggest drinking problem we have is also with the younger folk. The ‘bit tight on cash, but we drink to get drunk’ group. Dropping the price and upping the alcohol content is going to cause a spike in purchases and likely simply kill a few of them.
      Not a bad outcome in my view, but not something most people would vote for.

      The problem here isn’t legislation, it’s expectation.
      Young Australians don’t have the backbone to resist peer pressure (or even stand on their own and I blame the hippies) and, for some screwed up reason, we’ve somehow decided that you’re not a cool teenager unless you drink heaps and drive fast. A cigarette also helps.
      So, what do you get if you combine thousands of impressionable, eager to fit in, perceptively invulnerable young adults and a culture urging them to be alcoholics?

      The idea that it’s cool to be insensibly drunk and you can’t have fun otherwise is what we need to attack and eradicate and we need to put it in the hands of the current young adults. It’s too late for us but maybe we can gradually fix it for the next generations.

    • Smidgeling says:

      09:28am | 01/05/12

      How will that help? Who honestly leaves the house without at least keys and wallet (and phone)?

      Many people will drive to the grog shop to get booze with their wallet- filled with money and their LICENCE….

    • Tim says:

      09:17am | 01/05/12

      No, no no.
      We should have alcohol rations. Everyone has a ration of 3 standard drinks per day, if you don’t drink them they expire. No extras.

      Everyone is issued with their alcohol card after sitting a three week course in responsible consumption of alcohol. No card, no drink.

      Same goes for fatty food, sugary food, cigarettes actually make it anything that has been shown to have any tiny link to cancer.

      Actually, no. Let’s just ban everything. That’s far simpler.

 

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