So what is the Resource Super Profits Tax all about?  And what is a resource rent tax anyway? 

Well well well: A Woodside Petroleum's platform on the North West Shelf in the 1990s.

As it happens, I did a PhD in economics on these very questions, under the supervision of Professor Ross Garnaut.  And as an economic adviser to Resources and Energy Minister, Senator Peter Walsh in the Hawke Government, I had the opportunity to implement my PhD findings by helping design the Petroleum Resource Rent Tax in 1984.

Let’s start with resource rent.  Minerals like iron ore, coal, oil and gas possess two special features – they are non-renewable and deposits of them vary in quality and closeness to markets.  These features give rise to resource rent.

The concept of rent was developed in the 18th century by economist David Ricardo in relation to land – another non-renewable resource.  He observed that different tracts of land varied in fertility and some were closer to markets than others. 

Suppose it was just worth a farmer’s while to work on a hectare of land capable of yielding 4 tonnes of corn; this just covered the farmer’s costs and enabled him or her to earn a living.  That’s called a marginal tract of land.  But other tracts might naturally be far more fertile, producing up to say 10 tonnes per hectare.  The difference in yield between the marginal tract and the profitable tract in this case is 10 – 4 = 6 tonnes.  This is the resource rent. 

The 6 tonne difference is not due to harder work by the farmer but to the natural attributes of the land.  And the 6 tonnes of rent is not necessary to attract farmers to the land, since they will do their work for a reward of 4 tonnes per hectare. 

Similarly, tracts of land that are very close to a final market are more valuable than more distant tracts of land, even where they are equally productive, since transport costs for the farmer are lower.

So it is the case with mineral resources.  Those deposits that are of higher quality and closer to market are more valuable than the marginal deposits – the ones that are just worth developing.

Australia is getting the highest mineral prices in half a century because of the China boom, a boom that is expected to continue into the foreseeable future.

The Australian people own the nation’s mineral resources and they are entitled to share in the extra profits from our mines made possible by the China boom.

That’s why the Rudd Government has decided to apply a tax on the resource rents of the Australian mining industry.

The Resource Super Profits Tax will replace mining royalties that are based on the amount of mineral extracted, not on resource rents.  The problem with royalties is that they take no account of the quality of the deposit or its distance from market.  By taxing production, royalties are payable regardless of the profitability of a mine.  They are a disincentive to invest and to extract the full recoverable amount of the mineral deposit.

A tax on resource rent enables the mining company to earn a profit before the tax kicks in.  And if mining profits were to fall some time in the future, the tax on resource rent also falls – unlike royalties.

Some say a Resource Super Profits Tax should not apply to existing projects.  But state governments have proved to be very keen to jack up royalty rates on existing projects when mineral prices rise.  And when governments reduce tariffs they don’t reduce them only for new investments.

Revenue from the resources tax will be used to invest in our country’s future.  It will finance a reduction in the company tax rate for all incorporated businesses, large and small.  And it will provide much-needed tax breaks for every one of Australia’s 2.4 million small businesses, allowing them to instantly write off the value of assets worth up to $5,000.  That would be a welcome cash-flow boost for small businesses and an added incentive to invest in productive assets.

Increasing our national savings is an important investment in the country’s future economic security.  Revenue from the resources tax will allow for a staged increase in tax-preferred superannuation for working Australians from 9 per cent to 12 per cent. And further proceeds from the resources tax will be invested in nation-building infrastructure.

This is genuine tax reform.  But just like the 40 per cent Petroleum Resource Rent Tax for offshore oil and gas development introduced by Labor in the mid-1980s, this 40 per cent Resource Super Profits Tax for onshore minerals is opposed by the Coalition. 

So, too, was the previous Labor Government’s 1985 repair of the income tax system to end the rorts of business executives booking up private school fees and golf club fees to the taxpayer, taking each other out to lunch at taxpayers’ expense and converting their income into tax-free capital gains. 

Proceeds from those reforms were used to finance incentive-boosting cuts in the top two income tax rates, removing the 60 per cent top rate inherited from the previous Fraser-Howard Liberal Government.  The day the reform package was finalised, Opposition Leader John Howard described the fringe benefits tax and capital gains tax as unfair attack on the private sector.  He pledged to repeal them but never did.  Nor did he repeal the Petroleum Resource Rent Tax, preferring instead to collect $16 billion from it. 

In the Labor tradition, a reforming Rudd Labor Government will introduce a 40 per cent Resource Super Profits Tax to collect a fair share of resource rents for the Australian people as mineral resource owners.  Australia’s mining industry will remain healthy because it is a tax on resource rents and not on production.  The proof of the pudding is in the eating and, despite industry objections and dire warnings at the time, the Petroleum Resource Rent Tax has stood the test of time, avoiding the chopping and changing of tax rules associated with royalties, and enabling a go-ahead for the giant Gorgon and Pluto gas projects and an extension of the life of the Bass Strait fields by up to 30 years. 

So will the Resource Super Profits Tax stand the test of time, an enduring reform that will finance investments vital to securing Australia’s economic future.

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    • Ben81 says:

      01:41pm | 17/06/10

      Nice to see this being discussed where it should be instead of in advertising paid for by taxpayers because of a broken “One hundred per cent guarantee” election promise.

    • David C says:

      01:46pm | 17/06/10

      If it is for all Australians and relates to minerals that we all own why are we not just putting it all in a sovereign wealth fund for present and future generations?
      Or is it just a neat trick to plug the hole in the budget caused by your panic over the GFC when you didnt think the boom would last?

    • Victoria says:

      01:46pm | 17/06/10

      Pretty sound policy. hope it gets up.

    • Julia says:

      03:29pm | 17/06/10

      You would, Noam.

    • Lane says:

      04:12pm | 17/06/10

      Julia, that’s a really funny and constructive comment! Keep em coming!

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      01:54pm | 17/06/10

      Right behind you 110% Graig, go get what is rightly the Australian peoples

    • Doh says:

      02:01pm | 17/06/10

      Right on Rob!!  You want it so bad?  Go grab a pick and shovel and get it yourself.  Or if you are feeling particularly ambitious, put up a few million of your own money and do some exploring.  Too expensive?  How about you borrow that money, or is that too risky??

      Or are you happy to just let other do the hard work and take the cream off the top??

      Lazy…..

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      03:10pm | 17/06/10

      Doh says:02:01pm; oh poor lil didums…. I’m for anything if it make your life harder. Btw, your arguments are a bit old and worn out. If I found a ripe old deposit I’m pretty sure I would have no problem getting it financed. If someone wants to spend money looking for it, it doesn’t give them the right to the world, so grow up. That’s the gamble they take

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      03:51pm | 17/06/10

      Rob r Charteris , Doh has got a valid point , the resourses are there ,
      put your capital at risk , get it out of the ground . Much of my super is invested in mining along with thousands of other Australians. All we ask is a fair return on the money we are risking , so that we don’t have to rely on you to pay our keep . Of course , as Doh has pointed out , you want the easy cream rip-off from the top .
      If you want ” fair and equal distribution and exchange ”  bugger off to China , they love your ideology.

    • Doh says:

      04:07pm | 17/06/10

      Just because the argument is old does not make it invalid.

      “If I found a ripe old deposit I’m pretty sure I would have no problem getting it financed.”

      No one is stopping you going out to look for it but you.  Have you ever tried to secure private funding for a productive endevour before?  It is a little more difficult than just waltzing up to the bank.  Naive at best.

      “If someone wants to spend money looking for it, it doesn’t give them the right to the world, so grow up. That’s the gamble they take”

      A tax on profit takes away the incentive to go out, have a go and take a risk for the reward.  You are not even willing to have a go yourself but happy to rob the reward from those that HAVE taken the gamble as you say.

      I think it is you who should grow up.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      04:10pm | 17/06/10

      More hot air from waffler Jayne. Your argument is even more pitiful, why should we get ripped off by someone elses gamble. Btw, it’s not all your super.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      06:17pm | 17/06/10

      Rob r Charteris :  ” Why should we get ripped off by someone elses gamble. ” 
      Err , you seem to have the cart in front of the horse my friend.  It’s the govt. who are about to rip the Mining Industry off to divert their profits to lazy…...ds who won’t get off their arse to do a day’s work.
      Btw , i didn’t say it was all my super ,  “......my super is invested in mining along with thousands of other Australians. “
      The mining industry already pay royalties to the states and are prepared to pay more federally , providing the tax is applied in a fair manner.
      Unfortunately , investors who are prepared to risk investing major capital also have to fend off the vultures who continually circle after the profit from the risks are realised. This type of carrion is the scourge of all Australian industry.

    • Row says:

      07:00pm | 17/06/10

      Rob,
      Don’t know where you live, but you can’t just pick this mineral wealth stuff up from around the car-park behind the local oval.  Takes a bit of work.
      Anyway, here’s some news: K Rudd is going to the GG on Sunday to call a double diss - unless the big good news announcement planned for tomorrow tomorrow at around 1030 (think seams,  Queensland and “consensus in our time”) shows some serious positive impact on the internal polling.
      Apparently the new ads from the evil robber barons have caused Kev to s pull the trigger.  Given the way that he managed to stuff up our last shot at a good news piece, I’d say by Monday she’s on. Unless Julia gets in first.
      It would also let Kev take underdog with Tuesday’s Newspoll which is not looking good.  BTW BHP will announce Roxby expansion not going ahead in second week of campaign.  Goodbye SA, goodbye WA, hence QLD.

      Heard it first here, Bros.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      12:06am | 18/06/10

      Doh says:04:07pm; I think you the one that is a lil more than a bit naive, with a bit of Waffler jayne paranoia thrown in. I fully understand the 10’s to 100’s of millions spent by miners in finding deposits, but truly believe they can give some of those billions they make back. Your argument just does wash. I bet if it was the liberals pushing this tax, like lil sheep you Jayne would be all for it.

    • Christian Real says:

      06:44am | 18/06/10

      Wayne Fehlhaber
      It is the mining industry that is hoodwinking most unintelligent people like yourself with their lies and deceit, I guess that it comes with being a avid benefactor of the Liberal/National party whose leader Tony Abbott was caught out being loose with the truth on National Television, ABC’s 7.30 Report and several years ago ABC’s Four Corners programme, how many other times Abbott hasn’t been truthful and not being caught out, he has possibly lost count.
      Xstrata, claimed that it had shelved projects and then was caught out still operating the so called projects that they falsely claimed would be shelved because of the proposed Resource Super Profits tax
      This story appeared in News.com.au, ‘The Daily Telegraph, The Courier Mail and other prominent online newspapers, here is an extract from that story.
      “Xstrata praeparing work at ‘shelved’ Ernest Henry project, says Mininster”
      source AAP: June 12, 2010 @ 1.41PM
      “Xstrata has been accused of misleading Australians over the impact of the proposed super profits tax after signing a contract for work on a project the company said had been shelved.”
      “The mining giant has signed a $3.4 million mining services contract with another company to manage a copper tailing facility at its Ernest Henry copper mine in Queensland.”
      “The contract was signed last week on the same day the Anglo-Swiss company said it was suspending operations at the mine because of the impact of the resource super-profits tax (RSPT)
      * Fact is Wayne, Xstrata lied when they claimed they had suspended operation at the mine because of the proposed Resource Super Profits tax.
      *Another fact is Wayne they didn’t sell or shelve the mine because they knew it still had rich pickings in it and that is why they signed a $3.4 million mining services contract with another company that would manage the mine on their behalf.
      Another Story Wayne this one in News.com.au online:
      ‘Resource super profits tax critic Clive Palmer ‘exaggerated’ threat to projects.’
      Source: AAP, on June 07, 2010 @ 2.29PM.
      “One of the most vocal critis of the Rudd Government’s proposed Resource super profits tax has admitted he may have exaggerated the possible consequences.”
      “Mining magnate Clive Palmert said in May he would cancel two projects in Western Australia’s Pilbara region, which would have employed 5000 people, because of the levy.”
      “The executive chairman of Mineralogy said one of those projects would employ 3000 people and generate about $2 billion a year in exports.”
      “But he has now told the ABC he may have exaggerated.”
      * It seems Wayne that these mining companies can give generous donations to the Liberal/National party coalition, and they can spend countless $1,000’s of anti Resource Super Profits tax advertisements, and they can falsely claim to have shelved mining projects, only to have another company manage the mines on their behalf, like Xstrata has done, to deliberately deceive and mislead people into believing that this proposed mining tax will ruin them, when in fact it will not.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      09:07am | 18/06/10

      Christian Real :  The Prime Minister’s failure to negotiate or observe normal protocol is the key point of the mining industry’s objection to the heavy handed , amateurish way in which Rudd has attempted to foist a gigantic ripoff on to the industry.
      Major reform is beyond the ability of Krazy Kev and the fact that he has resorted to threats he describes as ” throwaway remarks ” demonstrates clearly , his inability to grace the office of Prime Minister .
      These recent failures have obviously brought about a realisation even by lemmings like yourself , that Labor are in deep trouble with the Australian electorate.

    • Andrew says:

      11:48am | 18/06/10

      Christian you always do the strangest posts. Nothing anyone has to say gets you away from you class warfare hatred fight cpaitalism style of vitriol. Your hatred is almost tangible. I do wonder how people get like you, in my experience it’s generally that rather than give something a go yourself you despise success because it shines a light on your own intransigence and lack of willingness to work.

      That is the problem with labor, the politics of envy, you see everyone else’s success and try and take it without the effort, then when you finally get in charge you come up with “this government gigs harder than we thought”.

      Problem with you is not just your politics, its your completely unwillingness to entertain anyone elses point of view.

      No-one hates like the left.

    • Christian Real says:

      06:53pm | 18/06/10

      Andrew, you say:
      “Nobody hates like the left”, sorry sunshine, but you are wrong, I am right wing.
      And you also say I have an unwillingness to entertain anyone elses point of view, Andrew, if they had a point of view to start with, but when then condone Tony Abbott’s lies, the Mining companies lies, well is their point of view worth entertaining, I think not.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:18pm | 18/06/10

      Doh,
      These mining companies are behaving like the mafia, where they think, feel and believe that they control and run this Country which they don’t.
      Personally, as a person of Aboriginal origin these mining company can go to hell, if they don’t want to abide by this country’s rules, regulations and elected government.
      I have had a gutful of their selfish demands, their blackmail attempts to coerce the elected government to do their bidding.
      These mining companies might put money in the coffers and pockets of the Liberal/National party coalition, but they don’t like the idea of a government standing up to them , not accepting their bullying demands or blackmail attempts.
      Most of these Companies have foreign ownership and why should all of their profits go overseas , they utilise the land here in our country, they mine our minerals and ore for a pittance, why shouldn’t they put more back into the country that is the host for their mines.
      For far too long these mining companies have been allowed to call the tune under their Liberal/National party mates, and enough is enough.
      This mining tax will not break these miners as they falsely claim, even Xstrata was caught out telling porkies about shelving a project, and then on the same day they made that claim, they signed a $3.4 million mining service contract with another company to manage the mine for them which they had just claimed that they shelved because of the proposed super profits tax.
      Clive Palmer has admitted on ABC that he exaggeratted the possible consequences of the proposed super profits tax.
      Then you have all the millionaires/billionaires staging a protest and running anti advertisements against the proposed Super profits tax, one wonders how they can afford all this expenditure and money layout, when they blatantly and falsely claim that they can’t afford the super profits tax being brought in.
      It is a pity that all you Liberal followers are akin to clones, that just echo the master’s(Tony Abbott’s) words, and it is obvious that you all don’t mind that he is loose with the truth, especially on ABC interview shows.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:18pm | 19/06/10

      Andrew,
      You say that I always have the strangest posts, is that because you are unacustomed to the truth.
      Xstrata was caught out falsely claiming that they would have to shelve the Ernest Henry project, and on the same day they perpetrated that lie, they signed a $3.4 million mining services contract for another company to manage the alledged ‘shelved’ mine for them.
      Clive Palmer was caught out cold on ABC’s 7.30 report when he admitted he exaggerated the possible consequences of the resource super profits tax.
      Tony Abbott got caught out telling porkies on the 7.30 Report, he was also caught out previously on ABC’s four corners several years ago, when he was workplace relations minister in the former Howard government.
      The election slogan for the Liberal party should read: “The Libs tell Fibs

    • David J says:

      01:57pm | 17/06/10

      You have convinced my family Craig, we are voting Labor. Good luck with this mining tax mate

    • Peter Q says:

      02:03pm | 17/06/10

      Would Craig’s extended family stop posting comments! Deep down, Craig, you know there are big differences between the petroleum and the broader proposed tax. You also know that the petroleum rent tax chased investment away to more competitive nations.

    • Ben81 says:

      03:02pm | 17/06/10

      He’s just trying to rationalise a robin-hood style tax grab so Labor can meet their budget commitments.  I doubt you weren’t already “convinced”, David.

    • David J says:

      09:20pm | 17/06/10

      Craig is not a family member but I would be honored if he was!! unlike you Peter Q who I would instantly disown. Ben the flowe pot man, you know nothing of me so why pretend? You sound like Tony Abbott making things up again. Better go find your budgie smugglers, I think the cat is using them as the toilet tray

    • Horrified onlooker says:

      02:01pm | 17/06/10

      Pull the other one,Craigie, it’s got bells on!

    • AdamC says:

      02:01pm | 17/06/10

      Craig, your model has some limitations. I think we should change it by making some sensible assumptions.

      If we assume that there is a capital cost to the farmers in farming the land; that the farmers do not have access to unlimited capital; and that there are actually a variety of different tracts of land with different rents and yields, the farmers’ behaviour changes. In particular, the farmers will allocate their scarce capital resources to those tracts of land that will give them the best return, leaving the more money-grubbing landlords sitting on vacant (and now effectively worthless) landholdings. 

      It is easy to generate a favourable answer if you reverse engineer it with favourable assumptions. Unfortunately, Craig, my assumptions more accurately reflect reality than yours. While your increased taxes will generate more government revenue (unless, of course, the China thing hits the skids) they will reduce future investment and activity. Which means, if you live in WA, QLD or SA (Olympic Dam) you would have to be a bit of a nuff nuff to support them!

    • Andy says:

      03:41pm | 17/06/10

      Geez AdamC don’t expose the limitations in Craig’s argument. You’ll embarass him. Apparently ha’s got a doctorate in economics but doesn’t understand the nature of capital allocation. Unless of course he does and he’s just trying to mislead everyone.

      Which is it Craig are you imcompetent or dishonest?

    • AdamC says:

      05:03pm | 17/06/10

      Andy, the fact is the government grossly overestimated the credulity and naivetee of the Australian public. It is only the rusted-on ALP supporters who can bring themselves to believe Labor’s clumsy spin and misrepresentation on the RSPT. You can see it in many of the pro-RSPT comments here (by Victoria and Rob r Charteris, for example). They are simply one liners with no real understanding or analysis of the issues.

    • Andy says:

      05:16pm | 17/06/10

      Absolutely! They are unwilling to debate it because they would show themselves to be economic amateurs. Instead they “play the man not the ball” just as Albanese did on Lateline the other night.

      Let’s just hope that the electorate understands that getting rid of Rudd won’t solve the problem. Its the ideology and formation of theoretical policy that only works in treasury modelling not the real world that is at the heart of Labors general incompetence.

      When Rudd gets smashed in next weeks Newspoll Gillard will have to roll the dice.

    • Emerson's electorate apparently will be marginal says:

      08:23pm | 17/06/10

      Andy,
      I was about to make the same point….how does one gets to have a PhD on the matter and do not to participate in the decision making for this particular tax? Apparently it was the work of the PM and the Treasurer Swan, Gillard was quick to point out.
      But even more red- face- embarrassing is that a man holds a doctorate in Economics but understand nothing about capital allocation. Remarkable!!

    • Christian Real says:

      02:50pm | 19/06/10

      Andy,
      And what have you got a doctorate in,  other then being a complete imbecile,you don’t appear to have much else going for you.
      As for Craig being incompetent or dishonest, I think that you, along with the master (Tony Abbott) that you echo and imitate you both appear to be incompetent and dishonest yourselves. .

    • Simon Sharwood says:

      02:01pm | 17/06/10

      Nicely explained. Let’s get this tax up and running - it’s not like the miners have done anythihg cunning or special to get these massive prices from China. Its supply and demand. And if the miners really want to go to the trouble and expense of bringing iron ore and coal from the other side of the world, let’s see what THAT does to their profit margins.

    • WKH says:

      02:08pm | 17/06/10

      Unfortunately no matter how good this tax may or may not be your parties massive failures have left such a fowl taste in every bodies mouth that we are just turned off with what ever you have to say. Credibility is shot too hell. You had your chance and blown it. Its a confidence thing and Kevin Krudd just doesn’t have it anymore. Just watching him is excruciating…say good night boys and girls…...night night “Uncle Arthur”...night night….

    • Roja says:

      05:04pm | 17/06/10

      A fowl taste ey?  Personally I like chicken and I believe so does the electorate.  Also who is hell and why is their credibility shot too?

    • Blossom says:

      02:09pm | 17/06/10

      I am voting for Labor too Mr Emerson, I support this tax

    • Bec says:

      03:43pm | 17/06/10

      Oh good, another genius! I suppose you think the insulation program was a success and the BER is getting value for money.

    • Lane says:

      04:11pm | 17/06/10

      Poor Bec. When you Liberal staffers want to stop with the snide commentary and engage, then you might be taken seriously. Reprinting false Liberal talking points might make you feel good, but it doesn’t help those interested in good public policy

    • Roja says:

      05:10pm | 17/06/10

      I fail to see how the insulation scheme didn’t succeed, based on the facts that is.  Just remember Abbott wanted those same dole bludgers installing insulation for dodgy employers to be sent straight to the mines… I fail to see how that is any way, shape or form an improvement.

    • Bec says:

      05:11pm | 17/06/10

      So you think we are getting value for money out of the BER and the insulation fiasco was good policy execution?

      People who live in glass houses.

      I have not seen one Labor person willing to engage in a discussion on the perceived faults in this tax. Just towing the party line because even though it’s bad policy, they know another Rudd backdown would be catastrophic. Sadly once again Labor and it’s supporters are putting party political interest before the national interest.

      Shame, Labor, Shame!

    • Andrew says:

      05:55pm | 17/06/10

      Roja?????

      Are you serious? You fail to see how the insulation scheme didn’t succeed. Um, the minister in charge lost his job, everyone in government ran the other way, people DIED and they appointed a minister (Combet) to fix it up (at a huge cost). Not to mention the “successful” scheme got CANCELLED. Surely you’re not that stupid.

      Then you make the quantum leap that dole bludgers were installing insulation for dodgy employers. Really, where is your proof for that? And how can someone who is working in installation also be a dole bludger, unless of course they are defrauding the commonwealth by getting the dole whilst being gainfully employed, I suppose their “dodgy” employers helped them by paying them off the books?

      Your post would be hilarious if I didn’t think you were serious.

    • Blossom says:

      09:22pm | 17/06/10

      Bec I am gratified you think I am a genius. After all your so important what you think really matters!! NOT

    • Roja says:

      09:31pm | 17/06/10

      Andrew the insulation scheme was selected during the GFC for the very specific reason that unskilled labour could be employed.  Those being the Abbott labelled ‘dole bludgers’ that he was dead keen to force down the mines.  Tragically four people died, all of them were insufficently trained by employers more eager to make a quick buck than care about OH&S.  If you equate installing ceiling insulation to working on a mine, then employ the same numbers… well the mining companies have already adequately shouted how insane they thought Abbott’s idea was (before the RSPT of course).  So to say that Abott would have handled this better, is what I consider utterly ludicrous and the main point of my post.

      As for successful, well 1,000,000 homes had insulation installed, delivering energy savings and reducing power bills and keeping a lot of pensioners warmer or colder as the case may be.  It also reduced unemployment and stimulated the economy when it particularly needed it.  There were indeed house fires, however the annual average in a normal year is about 75 house fires - so the number that occurred was normal.  I would have said ‘within expectations’ except this nation as a whole never expected that it was the case.  As a result of all this, it actually focussed national attention on the industry and there will be considerably better regulation going forward - meaning that less deaths and less housefires will occur in the longer term. 

      For the record deaths from workplace accidents is a serious issue, when Abbott kept using it for political mileage even in his budget reply - I was sickened to the point of becoming an anti-Abbott crusader.  So I’m not pro Rudd, just anti-Tony.  For the record, thanks to the GST, I was even pro-Howard for a time. 

      As for individual ministers being fired, why would i care about that? I’m concerned about what happens in the real world, not cabinet.

      For the record in the real world people get paid cash in hand and claim the dole at the same time, frequently - sorry to shock you.  A lot less these days, but it does still happen.  However that is irrelevant because as you pointed out, the scheme has been cancelled - those peope would be back to being Abbott’s ‘dole bludgers’ anyway.  Perhaps it is you that is a bit on the slow side ey?

    • Steph says:

      11:56pm | 17/06/10

      Point being, Roja, that they used unskilled labour and in fact they should have ensured training took place first.  Hence, a failed program.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      08:03am | 18/06/10

      Steph says:11:56pm; it’s is not up to the government to ensure traning that is obviously stupid and shows a lack of your knowledge of the construction industry. It’s is the governments job to prosecute when shonky operators try to skirt around what is that they are required to do for their employees, hence the first company now facing the courts. The fact is the insulation program did what it set out to do as proven in the report on it. another fact is there has been no increase of the rate of fires due to insulation installation, further supporting shonky operators doing dodgy work. Another fact is it ‘s amusing to see so many idiots jumping on uneducated sound bites from a very sad opposition, are you really that dense? perhaps you are, then your children at least will benifit from the BER.

    • Ben says:

      02:09pm | 17/06/10

      I was hoping for an economically based argument from a PhD, and i almost stopped reading when you turned it into a historical political argument.
      It shouldn’t matter which party proposed it, and which party opposed it, it should be a simple question of ‘is this good policy, therefore i will support/oppose it’.

    • Nigel Catchlove says:

      02:10pm | 17/06/10

      Economics is often based on modelling and assumptions about behaviour which are often wrong; modelling because it relies on the assumptions input to the model and behavioural assumptions because it’s assumed that every entity behaves like the average entity.  Labor’s flat 40% one-size-fits-all figure takes into account the quality of deposit and distance to market ONLY if every other economic behaviour is held constant.
      Firstly the RSPT is wrong because it punishes innovative business practices – the more efficient your organisation is in extracting the mineral the more tax you will pay.
      Secondly the retrospectivity of application of this tax to existing projects fundamentally changes the investment decisions that were made before these projects started.  That is the essence of sovereign risk – governments arbitrarily changing investment conditions after the investment decision has been made.  There is always some element of sovereign risk because tax rates change as do tax-breaks but this risk is small compared to the RSPT which amounts to a massive tax grab by a desperate and profligate government.
      Thirdly the tax does not replace the State based royalties regime it adds yet another level of compliance to industry by recompensing industry for the royalties they have paid.
      Your experience with designing the PRRT should tell you that the design of this new tax is wrong.  PRRT only applied to new projects – not existing ones. PRRT applies to profits above the bond rate PLUS either five or fifteen percent and PRRT applies to projects subject to the Commonwealth not States and is therefore not subject to royalties.
      The complexity of the royalties regime defies belief.  The amount varies depending on the mineral, the market value, the royalties rate, the method used for mining (open cut, underground or deep underground), whether the mineral is exported or not, or profit based royalties in the NT.
      The Rudd government has, in my opinion, squibbed an opportunity to reform the minerals based tax regime in this country by replacing the ad hoc royalties regime with a simple to administer profits based tax.  Instead they have chosen to apply yet another level of complexity through a tax which will be calculated only after royalties calculations, is retrospective in nature and was announced as policy before consultations with industry.  Members of this amateurish government should hang their heads in shame.

    • Andrew B says:

      04:04pm | 17/06/10

      “Firstly the RSPT is wrong because it punishes innovative business practices – the more efficient your organisation is in extracting the mineral the more tax you will pay.”

      Just a minute you are saying that if you earn more you shouldn’t pay more taxes?  Nice argument!

    • RT says:

      05:17pm | 17/06/10

      No Andrew… what Nigel means is that once efficiently run operations will all of a sudden not be so profitable under the new regime. The incentive to maximise profits is gone.

      If someone possessed rat-like cunning, their first thought would be to increase related party, overseas “consultant” costs by several billion to reduce the profit of the mine, thus paying less tax.

      If you were even more daring, you’d deliberately run the entire operation at a loss, then stump up to the government to recoup your losses…

      You can just tell that this is going to get abused by some clever accountants… one’s that are paid a hell of a lot more than the muppets at the ATO

    • Andy says:

      05:29pm | 17/06/10

      @Andrew B,

      What this tax does is encourage mediocrity. Labor loves to do that. The work on the politics of envy. You’ll never be as good as the best so lets drag the best down to our level.

      For an indication of how damaging this tax is likely to be see the independent report today that states under the proposed tax BHP’s proposed $5b expansion of olympic dam would be unenconomic. Ouch! How do you think Mike Rann is travelling?

    • BennO says:

      06:05pm | 17/06/10

      RT…hmmmm. 

      So, companies will delibearately spend money, thereby increasing costs, so they pay less tax, thereby reducing costs.  So wait, that doesn’t make sense, that can’t be what you meant.  Let me have another go. 

      You’re saying that it’s sensible, and indeed what will become good practice in mining, for companies to artificially increase their costs so their businesses are less profitable and therefore they’ll be able to avoid this tax. 

      So they’ll deliberately make their businesses less profitable. 

      er, right.  um.  How does that work again?

    • Gruff says:

      06:43pm | 17/06/10

      RT is spot on. There are loopholes big enough to drive a dump truck through.  I know of some mines that operate at a paper loss becuase they sell their product to an overseas smelter at below market rates.  The overseas smelter company just happens to be owned by the same parent company that owns the mining company in Australia.  Look Kev - No RSPT!!  There are so many ways for this to be rorted it will create a whole new industry in getting around it.  A royalty is so much simpler, harder to avoid and leaves the incentive to maximise efficiency in place - but the States get those so that doesn’t help solve Kev and Waynes budget problem does it.

    • Andrew B says:

      07:16pm | 17/06/10

      Really?  So I go from making 5 billion profit to 4 billion and all of a sudden I can’t be fucked?  Also I will let you in on a secret RT people already try to do that with tax it is usually called tax fraud.  I will let you in on another secret stockholders and the markets would be none to happy if a company intentionally reduces their profit just to pay the government less.

    • Dave says:

      07:46pm | 17/06/10

      Nigel, nice of you to repeat the ‘retrospective’ argument, it’s a good way of telling when someone is reading from the Keep Mining Strong website.

      The retrospectivity argument is bunk for the simple fact that everything else is subject to changes of regulations from the date they take effect. To suggest that miners somehow face ‘more risk’ than other businesses is disingenious. Every business faces risk when they start up a new project. Does that mean that government is never allowed to change regulations because there are some businesses that made an investment before the taxation or regulations changed? Of course not. So why should the miners be any different.

      It’s like saying that no current business should have to give paid parental leave (which was just introduced into the country by a Labor government for the very first time btw) to any of it’s workers because those businesses investment decisions were made before the paid parental leave scheme was introduced. The businesses didn’t take that into account when they started operations right?

      On a related note do you think that the miners were making their investment decisions 8 years ago on the assumption that mineral prices would more than double? That’s right, mineral prices have more than doubled since 2002, there are mines that were invested in and built when they were far less profitabe, and now you are crying foul when the government tries to extract a fair share of that windfall for ourselves.

      It’s amazing how some people can be convinced to oppose their own self interest.

    • Nigel Catchlove says:

      09:29pm | 17/06/10

      Strange assumption Dave. Until you pointed out that there was a Keep Mining Strong website I hadn’t read it and frankly can’t be bothered because it will represent a one-sided biased vievpoint.  Despite being a Liberal voter, I usually make up my own mind on issues and in the case of the RSPT the Government has got it wrong.  Not in terms of a profits-based tax replacing the ad-hoc State based royalties regime - that may make sense, but, as I mentioned in my earlier post, it should not be retrospective and should cut in at a higher rate than the long-term bond rate.

    • centurion48 says:

      11:36am | 18/06/10

      @Nigel: well said. You distilled the essence of what is really wrong with this concept. If Craig Emerson is so smart then he needs to sit down with Kev & Wayne and tell them the facts of life: one comrade to another. But, he won’t. He is as gutless as the rest.
      I don’t care what the Ruddster plans on doing with his booty but that is all he is interested in. I am sickened by this attempt by Labor to initiate a class war.
      Saved me a lot of typing. Thanks.

    • mikk says:

      02:10pm | 17/06/10

      Just do it for gods sake. You didnt negotiate with smokers when you taxed the pants off them. Make these greedy dirtmen give the Australian people their share or they can go elsewhere and we will find someone else who can dig it up. After all its hardly rocket science. Any fool can dig a hole.

    • Mick says:

      04:14pm | 17/06/10

      Mikk, mining involves some of the most complicated processes in the world.

      If you want your share come and earn it.

      The decision of where to invest is based purely on return on investment.  This tax reduces the amount of return per dollar invested.  It will influence future investment.

    • Stephen says:

      04:53pm | 17/06/10

      Too right - we’ll decide who mines here, and the circumstances in which they mine.

      Oh sorry, that was the other side…

    • Razor says:

      02:15pm | 17/06/10

      Well that hardly explained anything.

      What is going to happen to State Royalties?  They will still be levied on companies not paying the RSPT.

      States own the resources according to the constitution.  Are you going to have referendum to change that?

      Tell us again how all Australians are going to get a better share of the bounty of our resources but you are setting up an infrastructure fund so that the resource producing states get the lion’s share of the benefits.

      Those are only a couple of the myriad of questions that this policy arises.

      Mining Companies already pay a Profits based tax - it’s called company tax.

      This will cost you government.

    • Justin says:

      02:17pm | 17/06/10

      Wow Craig, you clearly know this stuff back to front. If only you’d been in the loop…..

    • Julia says:

      03:26pm | 17/06/10

      It’s a small exclusive loop. More a stitch than anything else.

    • dovif says:

      02:20pm | 17/06/10

      Craig, can you answer me the question?
      If a miner have a mining project in Australia, which will make a profit of $100 but which will pay tax at up to 70% (miner makes $30) and a mine in Canada which is less profitable at $70, but only tax at 50% (miner makes $35) and the mining company will make more profit in Canada. Which one do you think they will choose?
      Can you explain to me why almost all world economies (including Australia) had reduce their income tax rate in recent years? ….. A: to attract foreign investments by giving them a larger share of the profit they make
      The model of the tax is a good one, the problem has more to do with the reason for tax. The facts that Rudd started at a tax grab of $12 billion, and could not come of that, that is the problem. Miners should pay more, but how much more …. Ie what incentives should we give miners to invest billions of dollars in Australia? Which will in turn create jobs and earn Australia export income?
      Miners are out to make money (ie highest after tax profit), they are going to invest in a country which give them the highest after tax return.
      They do not care what the unemployment rate of Australia is in 10 years, nor the export money earned by Australians in 10 years.
      That is the job of the Australian government, who has failed in this role. They want short term profit to cover their budget deficit rather than work for the long term well beings of all Australians.

    • Crash says:

      03:48pm | 17/06/10

      We’ve got some pretty inhospitable areas in Australia, but for the most part people can live there.  A lot of the resources in Canada are in areas that make the middle of our deserts look like a luxury resort.  Equipment needs to be capable of funcitoning in areas that are below 0 degrees most of the time and there needs to be adittional infrastructure in place to ensure humans survive there. Transport is also a massive issue.
      In short, the Canadian investment will cost a lot more for about the same returns so it’s not exactly as simple as you make out

    • dovif says:

      04:06pm | 17/06/10

      Crash

      then there is South Africa, the rest of Africa, Iraq, middle east, Afganistan, Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, Brazil etc, who are happy to take the investments instead

      The Facts are this tax makes Australia a less competitive place for miners to invest in. If the miner needs a return of 12% after tax to do a project, or as banks had informed us that they will only finance a project returning more than 12%. A profit tax of 40% means that projects in australia, projects will only go ahead if they have a 20% margin!!!!! which give the miner a 12% after RSPT return!!!!!

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      04:49pm | 17/06/10

      Crash says:03:48pm; Totally agree, as anyone who has spent winter in Canada would know the place is more or less unworkable, something that is forgotten in that argument.

    • Roja says:

      05:22pm | 17/06/10

      This overlooks International minings greatest concern about this tax, and the reason for the internationally funded ad campaign against it - that it might catch on to other countries. 

      The real worry to them is that Australia is a nice benchmark for returns on resources, if we start expecting all this profit then other countries will more than likely jump on board.  All governments would love some extra money to spend, regardless of being democractic, communist or despotic.

      Now where will that leave all those mining companies?  Considerably less rich. 

      Sure, the sovereign risk / application on existing projects is rightly a concern, however make no mistake this tax scheme becoming contagious is what scares the living piss out of the mining companies.

    • Front says:

      07:05pm | 17/06/10

      Jesus Rob, have you ever been to Mount Isa in January?
      HUA

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      11:51pm | 17/06/10

      Front says:07:05pm; I can assure you the heat of Mt Isa in January pales in comparison to the cold of Canada. It’s cold like you dont know cold and effects everything you do and that just in the southern parts.

    • Tim says:

      02:24pm | 17/06/10

      How hard was that to do?
      And why didn’t Kevin explain it in so simple terms from the beginning?

      All the talk about fat cats and mining execs have allowed the opposition and the minerals council to spread their message about the tax and how it’s going to affect the “little man”.

      Maybe you should have a word to Swanny about simplicity Craig.

    • NCG says:

      02:29pm | 17/06/10

      Wow I certainly take my hat off to you Mr Emerson; it’s a brave man indeed to claim they provided economic advice during the Hawke years! Personally I’d be keeping that a closely guarded secret.

      Now, I’m a little confused by your statement that the 40% petroleum tax enabled the “go-ahead for the giant Gorgon and Pluto gas projects and an extension of the life of the Bass Strait fields by up to 30 years”

      How did taxing the petroleum industry more heavily help them achieve these goals? Certainly seems counterproductive to me….

    • Passing Wind says:

      02:29pm | 17/06/10

      “So will the Resource Super Profits Tax stand the test of time, an enduring reform that will finance investments vital to securing Australia’s economic future.”

      Shouldn’t that be a question?

    • Ben says:

      02:31pm | 17/06/10

      Well, at least there’s a few people that support.. I thought there were none.

    • Ellis Wyatt says:

      02:34pm | 17/06/10

      More Government spin and disinformation about the RS Profits tax - as if the taxpayer funded advertising was not enough.

      The North West Shelf rig is an interesting graphic, since North West Shelf was ‘grandfathered’ under a crude oil excise regime and does not pay Petroleum Resource Rent Tax (PRRT).  Contrary to some more misleading charts released by the Treasurer, not one tonne of gas exports were subject to PRRT - all of it being from either North West Shelf or Bayu Undan in the Joint Petroleum Development Area with Timor-Leste.

      PRRT was introduced for prospective oil and gas projects, not retrospectively like the RS Profits Tax.  PRRT has higher uplift rates than the 6% government bond rate of the RS Profits Tax.  PRRT was also introduced after considerably more consultation with the offshore upstream oil and gas sector.

      Aside from the fact that the RS Profits tax will mean that the Australian mining sector will be the most heavily taxed in the world, it assumes that a super-profit is when returns exceed 6% and that all extractive mineral commodities, from gold to gravel, should face an identical tax regime.

      If the central issue is that State Governments have not been raising enough revenue from ad valorem mining royalties, when has the Federal Government raised that issue with them?

    • Antipodean says:

      02:36pm | 17/06/10

      Interesting that you should put a picture of the North Rankin up, which by the way is not currently covered by the PRRT, but will come under the RSPT should it go through.  You focus on the commonality of the 40% rate between the PRRT and the RSPT, but not the differing uplift factors and depreciation regimes which make all the difference and is the primary source of industry angst.  Isn’t the reason that your government did not design the RSPT to be the same as the PRRT because the Labor government needs a lot of cash right now to fund an election war chest and possibly have the budget in the red in three years time?  You know quite well that projects under the PRRT regime do not pay tax for many years after they commence production and thus such a regime applied to all other resource projects would be unsuitable to remedy your government’s proffligate spending.

      I also note the the introduction of the PRRT in 1987 was preceeded by 2 years of industry consultations, round tables, a white paper and a green paper.  Why no such consultation now for the RSPT?

      Funny you should mention that you gained a PhD in Economics under the tutelidge of Labour’s most favourite economist Ross Garnaut. The same Ross Garnaut who designed and implimented a resource tax for PNG, as first assistant secretary to the PNG Treasurer, which was repealled in 2003 after it nearly destroyed the PNG mining industry.

    • AdamC says:

      04:16pm | 17/06/10

      Isn’t Labor’s favourite economist Ken Henry?

    • Sherlock says:

      02:40pm | 17/06/10

      I don’t think that even the miners are arguing against the tax as such or even that they will eventually end up paying more tax. The issue is how the tax has been applied and the amount they are expected to pay. In it’s present form it’s become a disincentive to investment.

      Unfortunately, making the necessary changes will make the government vulnerable to accusations of weakness and that it will blow a huge hole in their economic forecast making the budget that was delivered only a month ago completely useless.

      So we have what best for the country directly opposed to what’s good for the ALP.

      It will be interesting to see which option prevails.

    • Chris Crouch says:

      02:50pm | 17/06/10

      Good to see you have time to write these puff pieces and constant media appearances but don’t have time to email voters back

    • Pedant says:

      02:57pm | 17/06/10

      You clearly think The Punch readers are fairly simple as you give them a lesson in Economics 101 without talking about the actual design of the tax and it’s fundamental investment chasing limitations.

    • Julia says:

      04:12pm | 17/06/10

      I agree. I felt he was talking down to me. But thought I was just being sensitive or disliking him because he’s an economist.

    • Tony H says:

      03:07pm | 17/06/10

      ” I did a PhD in economics on these very questions, under the supervision of Professor Ross Garnaut”. Uh-huh, so do either of you have any actual business experience or is it all theoretical?

    • Dave says:

      04:18pm | 17/06/10

      Sad Tony H. If you are asking if Garnaut, for instance has been a middleman or shopkeeper, I dont think so. He is, however, the chairman of a major mining company (Lihir). Stop with the negative pointscoring, it’s pathetic.

    • Tails says:

      09:39pm | 17/06/10

      Stop with the negative point scoring? Um, you’re new here, aren’t you?

    • Doh says:

      03:11pm | 17/06/10

      I find the analogy to land to be a bit of a stretch.

      Is land renewable (barring “catastrophic sea level rise”)?  i.e. we can keep using it, it doesn’t just go away.  In terms of farming can’t you let it lie fallow until it is ready again?I am no farmer so please correct me if I am wrong.

    • JT says:

      03:16pm | 17/06/10

      Wow so many lies one doesn’t know where to start. Let’s start with a couple of the obvious;

      1. Your argument and the design of the RSPT assumes unlimited capital. In the real world, this does not exist.

      2. The minerals do not belong to all Australians. They belong to the crown, that being the state government in which the minerals are located.

      3. Very few small businesses are incorporated as companies, the 2% reduction (in contrast to the 5% recommended by the Henry report) in company tax rate will do little to help them and this leads into pt 4.

      4. Superannuation is paid by the employer, so revenues collected by the RSPT have no impact on the increased super costs for businesses (3% increase which vastly outweighs the 2% reduction in company tax, assuming the business is a company).

      5. The RSPT will not replace royalties, they will still be paid to state govts by mining companies. All the federal govt will do is rebate the amount paid though only to the amount the royalties are right now. If the state govts increase royalties as they likely will the mining companies above the level rebated to them.

      6. The 40 per cent Petroleum Resource Rent Tax is not comparable to the RSPT. The Petroleum tax was not retrospective; the rate at which the tax kicked in is different as well.
      7. A piddling amount will be invested in so called nation-building infrastructure, not enough to actually make a difference and ignoring that, Rudd has since attempted to bribe Qld and WA with billions of dollars from the revenue to be collected by the RSPT; in effect taking with one hand and giving a little back with the other.

      8. Revenue from the resources tax will be used to invest in our country’s future. Wrong. Revenue from the RSPT will be used to plug the massive hole in the government budget caused by massive overspending by the Labor government.

    • Stephen says:

      05:05pm | 17/06/10

      JT- all good points.

      re the state royalties.  What the RSPT does is federalise completely the taxation of mining. 

      It is the states that own the minerals, and set the royalties.  The RSPT brings all taxation under the Commonwealth, and any increased tax is just the profit from the exercise. 

      If I were the states, I would oppose the tax simply because it will be another reduction of their overall relevance.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      05:06pm | 17/06/10

      Full of merit JT

      9. The only reason the RSPT exists is so the budget papers could show a 1Bn surplus in 3 years, for a headline. Period.

    • welcome to 1984 says:

      03:19pm | 17/06/10

      Craig,

      Before Labor decided to announce they were ‘reforming’ (LOL) the tax system in relation to mining perhaps they could have done a comprehensive independent audit on government waste. Oh yes that’s right, you remember waste don’t you? Raising the 9 or 12 billion you need (to plug the massive debt hole you have created) by running the government more efficiently would be a drop in the ocean. How much is the government now paying in interest per day, $100 million or so?

      Instead you are nationalizing the debts of the mining industry. Shifting the cost by stealth .. err i mean reform (LOL) to the taxpayer in a sleazy socialist Labor manic cash grab.

      If the Australian people own the nation’s mineral resources then they should fund mines, establish mines and mine mines.

      And Craig, just because you repeat the word ‘reform’ (LOL) doesn’t make it true. Just like the terms ‘working families’ and ‘super tax’. Yet another Labor socialist propaganda minister lecturing the sheeple. Yawn.

    • Julia says:

      03:23pm | 17/06/10

      So if you were in senator walsh’s office, you’d have helped collate the discussion paper feedback? Was it three discussion papers or four?

      And Graham Richardson said they took days of discussion on decisions like these, not the hour that Rudd’s gave you guys.

      Do you think these guys have a point? Or are they just spoilers?

    • Andrew says:

      03:37pm | 17/06/10

      Firstly, let’s just get this straight, you have no right to refer to this new mining tax grab as a “super profits” tax if you are suggesting anything above the long term bond rate is a “super” profit. If on the other hand you are suggesting the impost of this tax will have a negative impact on all of our super holdings then the description as a “super” tax is appropriate.

      I will grant you Hawke and to some extent Keating introduced Labor market reforms which any Liberal government, given the Labor/union vitriol, would not have got through, however the economic mess you guys handed to Howard took many years to fix.

      After 11 years of Liberal government, we had a surplus, you guys managed to put us in debt within 2 years without any tangible benefit. And if you are going to suggest economic stimulus saved us from disaster then please explain to us all why it didn’t do the exact same thing in the US and UK. Could it have something to do with the fact we had a surplus and they were in deficit?

      Given that you have years of theoretical experience and intellectual (doctorate level no less!) economic knowledge, I trust that you aware just how misleading and deceptive the above article is. How can you expect to have any credibility when you refuse to tell the truth or ignore any elements of argument from any opposition.

      The facts are, you guys spent more money than we had. You needed to find money. In classic Labor, divisive class warfare style you identified a minority group you thought would have no support in the community and decided to paint them as greedy fat cats who’ve been ripping us all off.

      You got the unions to fall in behind you because none of their leaders have ever worked a day in a mine and they are simply sitting in these jobs waiting to enter parliament.

      Oops! Someone stuffed up. The community has lost faith in your government and Rudd the messiah is now just a very naughty (untrustworthy) boy.

      So now we are back to it. If you are as educated as your bio suggests then you are clearly purposefully misleading people with your article. You don’t talk about the nature of capital and how it is allocated, you don’t mention a global derating of our currency (the share price of our country), you fail to mention that excluded projects from the PRRT are actually the largest projects or that apparently petroleum/gas profits are not super profits at 9% but mining ones are at 6%?? Even more appalling is your inability to admit a complete failure in the consultation process.

      You have no credibility and your outright lies to the Australian public will come back to bite you on the arse. It’s one thing to slug smokers because there’s no Smokers Action Group it’s quite another to pick a fight with a well funded organisation that can counter your lies with a dollar for dollar advert campaign.

      I would like to know how this tax allows for a 2% cut in a tax rate and pays for a 3% increase in super and also pays for your wastrel government’s deficit. If this money is supposed to be for infrastructure for all Australians why are you promising to spend the vast majority of it in the states you stand to get smakced in (W.A. and QLD)? Why isn’t all the money going in a sovereign fund independent of government pork barrelling?

      You are a hoax.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      05:15pm | 17/06/10

      One of the best posts of all time IMHO, although “cruel hoax on working families” may have been more appropriate.

      How guys like the Author can look at themselves in the mirror every morning is beyond me, or into the eyes of whichever wife they are with.

    • Steve Putnam says:

      10:24am | 19/06/10

      Andrew get real!  Mining companies, over the last decade, paid tax at a rate of less than half that of their employees- are you seriously saying this is all right and proper?
      As for your selective quoting of Australia’s economic history, let me put a few facts on the table: We are just about the only developed country not in recession. None of our major financial institutions have gone under, our unemployment rate is about 5%, and our debt as a proportion of GDP is under 20%, or to put it into context, less than a quarter that of countries such as The US, Britain, France and Japan. What should we have done with a budget surpless in your view? The modus operandi of the Howard Government was to store it up for use as an election bribe every three years. Do you really think this equates to sound economic management?

    • Christian Real says:

      01:17pm | 20/06/10

      Diamantina Dick,
      The ‘cruel hoax’ on working families is being perpetrated and orchestrated by the Mining companies and the Liberal party that you obviously support.
      The mining companies misleading advertisements have been referred to the Australian Securities and Investment Commission by the superannuation industry..
      The story,“Mining industry doom ads referred to ASIC”, appeared in News.com.au, and “The daily Telegraph”, on June 19, 2010 @ 12.38PM
      Another story that appeared in News.com.au was:, “Resource super profits tax critic Clive Palmer ‘exaggerated’ threat to projects”
      Source:AAP, June 07, 2010 @ 2.29PM
      “One of the most vocal critics of the Rudd Government’s proposed resource super profits tax has admitted he exaggerated the possible consequences.”
      Another story in “The Courier Mail’,  “News.com.au”, “The Daily Telegraph”, and other prominent online newspapers.
      “Xstrata preparing work at ‘shelved ’ Ernest Henry project”, says minister.”
      Source: From AAP, June 12, 2010 @ 1.41PM
      “Xstrata has been accused of misleading Australians over the impact of the proposed super-profits tax after signing a contract for work on a project the company said had been shelved.”
      “The mining giant has signed a $3.4 million mining services contract with another company to manage a copper tailings facility at its Ernest Henry copper mine in Queensland.”
      “The contract was signed last week on the same day the Anglo-Swiss company said it was suspending operations at the mine because of the impact of the resource super-profits tax(RSPT).”
      Diamantina Dick, it would seem that by Xstrata claiming that they had shelved a project, when in fact they had not, is called a HOAX.
      Xstrata seems to have went to great lengths to continue with this misleading HOAX on Australians, by signing a $3.4 million dollar mining services contract with another company, to manage this “SHELVED ”  mine on their behalf.
      Xstrata’s actions are deceptive, misleading and a complete HOAX to hoodwink the Australian people, and a blatant attempt to bully, coerce and stand over an elected government.
      I congratulate the Australian Federal Government for standing firm and for not allowing these unscrupulous mining companies to dictate their terms and conditions, as they seem to have done in the past with the previous Liberal/National party Governments.

    • Press says:

      03:39pm | 17/06/10

      Minister, thanks for the background.  Interesting.

      Here’s another sensible background view of the thing.
      “Executives are foaming at the mouth with every free-market cliché imaginable: the prime minister is killing the goose that laid the golden eggs, tossing the baby out with the bathwater, shooting the economy in the foot, you name it.

      This bellyaching misses the point. The tax is the right thing to do and miners will have to live with it.”
      http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/billionaires-dig-in-to-kill-good-economic-idea-20100617-yh31.html#poll

      Now it’d be really handy to see some simple real-world examples, please. Say, a six point summary, with examples, on the main points of what you propose,  and how it’ll work in round numbers.

      Meanwhile, there’s people here pretending its a 70% tax. Seriously. So you do need to get some simple facts on the table.

      By the way, according to some here, I’m a 30-something rich economist, a moron, a spin doctor and a liar - just for asking such questions.

      So you can see, any summary you put up needs to be pretty simple, so even a lying moron can take it in. See what you can come up with, please?

    • Stephen says:

      05:09pm | 17/06/10

      Press, I don’t think you are moron, or a spin doctor but you are the only person to address Craig Emerson as “Minister’. 

      force of habit?

    • Press says:

      07:33pm | 17/06/10

      So when I call Senator Fielding “Senator Fielding” you read into that what, prezackly? Pah. Worthless gibe. Stick to the point.

    • Frank Merlot says:

      03:40pm | 17/06/10

      I actually found this article very informative and thanks Craig for putting it on the Punch.  I think i understand things a little clearer now.
      Having said that, im not a single issue voter unlike some posters on here it would seem and the RSPT, good or bad, will not disguise the overwhelming evidence that points to what a disastrous government this has been.  Good luck.

    • Loooi says:

      03:40pm | 17/06/10

      So the government increases the tax on smokes
      - to stop people smoking,
      then the government increases the tax on mining
      - to stop people ... mining.

    • Press says:

      03:55pm | 17/06/10

      Uh huh. So Forrest is personally physically addicted to mining, is he? Has to dig 20 holes a day, does he, and tax deductibly too, eh?

      Your comparison is meaningless. And its misleading.

    • N says:

      04:20pm | 17/06/10

      Haha, comment of the day Loooi.
      I’d be interested for our PhD holding Mr Emerson to rebut that simple analysis….

    • Dave says:

      04:24pm | 17/06/10

      Smoking - an individual lifestyle choice with a huge cost to individuals and society.

      Mining - a huge and increasingly profitable industry exploiting non renewable resources.

      If you can’t understand the basic difference between these fundamentals, and why each tax makes sense for different reasons, I feel sorry for you. Further, If you think that a little more tax in an industry that makes higher returns in AUstralia than in almost any other place in the world will kill it (see http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2010/06/15/how-profitable-is-mining/) you are deluded.

    • Loooi says:

      04:30pm | 17/06/10

      For shame, such bitterness in your responses.
      I am no fool.
      I understand EXACTLY what this tax was designed for.
      You can all fool yourselves otherwise though.

    • Tim says:

      04:38pm | 17/06/10

      Economiks,

      you failz at it.

    • Press says:

      05:12pm | 17/06/10

      Understand it exactly, eh. So why are you making misleading comparisons? Hmm?

      As for the personal assumptions you trot out, pffft. Irrelevant flourishes. They add nothing to your already empty case.

    • Andrew says:

      05:24pm | 17/06/10

      SO Press,

      This genius Labor government is going to tax an industry into profitability. Nice one.

    • RT says:

      05:29pm | 17/06/10

      I think it was a joke Press… there are occasionally one or two in the comments

    • Press says:

      07:47pm | 17/06/10

      Ha! Yeah, Andrews, eg.

      See ya.

    • Dave says:

      08:01pm | 17/06/10

      The tax on smoking is a sin tax. It is directly designed to change behaviour by increasing the price of cigarettes.

      The tax on mining is a profits based tax. It is designed to change the mining industry from a royalty based system, which does actually reduce mining, to a profits based system which doesn’t. Royalties are an added cost, they shift the supply curve to the left which reduces supply. Profits based taxes are levied after operating costs are paid for, and in this case after the cost of investment is paid for as well. They cannot affect the supply curve since they don’t affect costs.

      The two taxes are nothing alike.

      And nevermind the fact that the mining tax isn’t just a simple 40% tax. The government will guarantee 40% of the mines costs and losses actually making it easier to find finance for the mine. The tax will be used to refund royalties, thus removing the inefficiency in the market.

      To suggest they are in anyway the same is to deliberately misunderstand or misinform others about the issue.

    • Loooi says:

      09:40pm | 17/06/10

      The smokes and the mining tax ARE both designed to change behaviour.
      It is quite obvious what behaviour that is (see my first post).
      There’s NO misinformation in my analogy.
      There’s nothing BUT misinformation by Labor.

    • Press says:

      02:03pm | 19/06/10

      Scrabbling around to justify his misleading comparison, Looi has found another way to shoot down his own argument, though its not very novel.

      Now he wants to hang his hat on “behaviour“. Both taxes are about “behavior” - according to him. Uh huh. Sure.  As Humpty Dumpty once remarked, in the same scornful tone, 
      “When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.”

      So with Looi, who has concocted a special meaning, all his own, for “behaviour”, so he can continue to pretend that the two taxes are somehow alike.

      He can twist plain English as much as he likes. Taxes on personal consumption of private indulgences are in no way comparable to taxing mineral production profits. He can repeat his empty claim as much as he likes - it won’t make it so. All it does is to show him up as a cheat.

      His repeated attempts to mislead are abysmal, barren, crass, dismal, empty, futile, gormless, hopeless, implausible, juvenile, lackadaisical, moribund, nugatory, obtuse, pointless, quackery, reprehensible, silly, tedious, untruthful, venal, wilful, yadayadayada.

      Busted, in short.
      We need a sensible debate, not his misleading nonsense. Give it up Looi.

    • Loooi says:

      11:33pm | 20/06/10

      Press doth protest too much, methinks.

    • Davo says:

      04:03pm | 17/06/10

      The tax is not the real point, but the amt of changes to policy and the poor process of involvment of affected parties in the decision making process has increased sovereign risk in any consideration of investment by overseas sources.

      I have a MBA, not a PhD, but I know that there are more politically stable places to put money than Australia.

      We have lost that advantage in attracting investment and funding growth.  That is the real price of this tax. 

      High taxing, high spending Labor government.

    • Andrew says:

      04:13pm | 17/06/10

      Hey Craig,

      So using the example of land, given that what’s in the ground apparently now belongs to us all, without having to risk capital, can we expect an Agriculture Super Profits Tax. Surely the nutrients in soil belong to us all. Surely when world population grows and Asia needs more and more food we’ll be providing it at a high price. It must follow that those greedy fat cat farmers should pay a super profits tax. Lets get em!

    • demeter says:

      04:18pm | 17/06/10

      I agree totally on the introduction of the RSPT.
      The government has spent all the money and we need to get more, the only option is to introduce new taxes.
      Let slog the miners other wise GST will have to raise.

    • Robert Smissen Rural SA says:

      05:38pm | 17/06/10

      I’d rather raise the GST on luxurt goods, 10% is way too low, every other country with GST has a higher rate

    • Doh says:

      05:50pm | 17/06/10

      or we could perhaps cut some wasteful spending (gasp!!)

    • Fairy Tails says:

      04:31pm | 17/06/10

      If a farmer has a cow, how much resource rent tax does he pay on the magic beans he trades them for?

    • Robert Smissen , rural SA says:

      04:47pm | 17/06/10

      Craig, shush! ! ! Never admit to being an economist, aren’t they the blokes who gave Enron AAA? ?
      A wise lady told me that an ecomist is like a bloke who knows 12 different ways to make love but doesn’t know any women. You’d be better off telling everyone that you are the piano player at “Scores”

    • Adam Diver says:

      08:51am | 18/06/10

      “A wise lady told me that an ecomist is like a bloke who knows 12 different ways to make love but doesn’t know any women” that is going into the memory bank.

    • nosthow says:

      05:01pm | 17/06/10

      I applaude the rudd governments initiative of the SPRT Craig. Why shouldnt Australians , all Australians benefit from what is the mining of our own resources. At the same time the Companies who do the mining also to get a fair share of the profits. Its been sad to see many Australians featured on ads by the mining companies just being used as pawns in the battle with the government and the mining Billionaires , who will discard these people just as easily as they did during the GFC when they shed 17% of their workforce ! Already many of those Billionaires have had to admit they are sprouting hot air !

    • John says:

      05:36am | 18/06/10

      Kind of like the actors Labor used to pretend that Workchoices was making their lives horrible?

      So, what exactly do you want as your ‘fair share’?  What are you expecting t get from this tax? Do you want money paid to you each quarter from the mining companies?  Those are called dividends.

    • Grumbles says:

      05:06pm | 17/06/10

      On Sunday 2nd May Rudd announced the new tax. Lets observe what YOU said only 3 days earlier on the Thursday…

      “Slowing down the development of Australia’s mining and energy resource industries would be a scandalous wasted opportunity to lock in future prosperity and achieve social and environmental goals such as supporting school students in disadvantaged communities, Australians with disabilities, those with mental illnesses and others who are too sick to work, and preserving Australia’s unique biological diversity.

      Easing the constraints on our mining and energy resource industries is by far the better way to go.”

      Do you stand by that? or has Kevin changed your mind?

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      05:19pm | 17/06/10

      Grumbles, he “mis-spoke”!

    • Andy says:

      05:44pm | 17/06/10

      Geez Grumbles imagine if our left wing media held this guy and his government to the same scrutiny that you just have. No chance of that I suppose.

    • Ellis Wyatt says:

      05:52pm | 17/06/10

      Dr Emerson famously demeaned rational debate on tax reform when he brought a cardboard cat into Parliament, apparently to demonstrate some alleged problem with the introduction of GST. 

      I am wondering if Dr Emerson has since solved whatever he thought the GST problem was for his cardboard cat and whether he still remains opposed to the genuine tax reform of GST for some obscurantist reason?

    • Keith Hammersmith says:

      06:43pm | 17/06/10

      The resources actually have no value in the ground, it isnt until they are removed that Australians get wealth from them.
      Encouraging companies to take large risk, to create infrastructure to get these minerals to market is what is making this economy strong.

    • john says:

      07:20pm | 17/06/10

      What’s all this “fair share” talk about?  This mining tax isn’t going to put food on anyone’s table.  This tax isn’t going to pay anyone’s mortgage.  This tax isn’t going to help a self funded retiree or a pensioner.  Who’s getting what fair share?  Mining jobs WILL put food on the table, and pay the mortgage. 

      The fact is that my mining stock is down 30% right now, way more than the market average.  I’m not a fat-cat billionaire, I’m just an ordinary working person trying to get ahead.  This tax will not help me, will not help my family, will not help your family.  Seeing good returns on my stock will help me pay the mortgage, and help me retire.

    • Andy says:

      08:49am | 18/06/10

      In fact Aussie mining stocks have dropped less than almost all other international mining stocks and less than aussie bank stocks.
      It seems the market isn’t worried about the RSPT

    • Julian Thomas says:

      08:42pm | 17/06/10

      Your comment:companies big and small get to fund “lifestyles” based on lax tax laws, simple simon

    • Julian Thomas says:

      08:44pm | 17/06/10

      get rid of state governments, nsw gst is killing us, fair share

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      09:09pm | 17/06/10

      I’ve come to the conclusion that the Liberals are grossly hypocritical: Mining tax- Bad. Paid Parental Leave tax- Good. Refugees- Bad. Breeding Subsidies- Good. Rudd’s Middle Class Welfare- Bad. Howard’s Middle Class Welfare- Good. Rudd’s political advertising- Bad. Howard’s political advertising- ok. Rudd’s broken promises- Bad. Howard’s non core promises- ok. There is no honesty and integrity in either political party any more.

    • Amused says:

      10:04pm | 17/06/10

      ALP Logic Lesson 542:

      To slow the growth of the alcopops industry, increase the tax.

      To slow the growth of the tobacco industry, increase the tax.

      To enhance the growth of the mining industry, increase the tax.

      You idiots can’t have it both ways…

    • Press says:

      07:26am | 19/06/10

      So that’s the line still, is it. You people can keep repeating this deliberately misleading nonsense all you like, it will not make it so.

      What it does do is show you up as sloppy cheats.

      Taxes on personal consumption of private indulgences are in no way comparable to mining and resources. You’ve had to torture the aims to make it seem like they are. Cheats.

    • john says:

      03:09am | 18/06/10

      I cannot understand how any person with sound knowledge of business and economics could be for this RSPT (unless of course they were a member of the Labor party).

      1) The bond rate of 6% is way too low to represent a “Super Profit”.

      2) The 40% of project capital costs that is proposed to be reimbursed to failed mining ventures is not recognised by financiers. The majority of serious mining projects capital costs run into the billions of dollars leaving the government with massive liabilities if mineral prices were to crash. It is expected that they will not honour this commitment.

      3) There is the potential that the Australian Taxpayer will reimburse royalties to overseas owned mining companies to mine at a loss selling to the parent company who makes a profit by smelting overseas.

      4) Under the RSPT in its present form, the net present value of BHP’s Olympic Dam project could be NEGATIVE $US761 million, according to a new Morgan Stanley report.

      http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Olympic-Dam-BHP-Kevin-Rudd-RSPT-pd20100616-6G93C?opendocument&src=rss

    • PL says:

      04:19am | 18/06/10

      Labor socialist party take note -

      You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
      You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
      You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.
      You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatreds.
      You cannot establish security on borrowed money.
      You cannot build character and courage by taking away a man’s initiative and independence.
      You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.

      –William J.H. Boetcker, 1916

    • Andy says:

      08:46am | 18/06/10

      The only reason the mining giants are against the RSPT at the moment is because is because mineral prices are very high, when mineral prices drop they will lobby again for a RSPT like they did 10 years ago.

    • centurion48 says:

      11:44am | 18/06/10

      @Craig Emerson: Your analogy about the rich farmer and poor farmer failed to add that the RSPT would require the rich farmer to hand over 2.4 tonne of grain at harvest to the government because he had it easy and did not pay for the extra water and sunshine his crop consumed.
      Your government would probably make him truck it to the railway, which he and other farmers had to buy because your government let infrastructure run down.

    • Press says:

      07:31am | 19/06/10

      In a statement yesterday, the Australian Institute of Superannuation Trustees took issue with the latest advertising campaign by the Minerals Council of Australia, which features ‘‘ordinary Australians’‘, including a self-funded retired couple, railing against the proposed tax.

      ‘‘Since the government’s RSPT announcement, the average Australia would be $600 better off if the Australian equity component of their super had been invested entirely in the mining and metals sector rather than across the rest of the market,’’ she said.
      http://www.smh.com.au/business/super-funds-weigh-into-mining-tax-row-20100618-ymrx.html

    • Bill Woods says:

      10:38pm | 19/06/10

      This piece continues to peddle the line that the resources are the property of the Australian people. This is true enough as regards the NT and the ACT, but crown land in the states belongs to the people of the STATES, not to the Commonwealth. People in NSW and Vic may not think this matters much, but it is very important to people in WA and Qld. WA in particular bridles at being ripped off by the Eastern States, so you can expect a big backlash there in the coming election.

    • Ryan says:

      09:48am | 20/06/10

      if resources are the property of the Australian people, I will be expecting my cheques in the mail from this super tax.. its my property you are selling there after all RIGHT?

    • Christian Real says:

      10:24am | 20/06/10

      Extracts from a story in News.com.au:
      “Mining industry doom ads referred to ASIC”, written by Simon Benson, Source:  from the ‘Daily Telegraph’ , on June 19, 2010 @ 12.38PM

      “The mining industry’s new advertising blitzkreig against the Government’s super profits tax has been referred to regulators over fears it could talk down the value of the nation’s retirement funds.”
      “In a sign that the mining lobby may have overstepped the mark in its campaign against the tax,the superannuation industry yesterday wrote to the Australian Securities and Investment Commission asking it to investigate.”
      “It claimed the miners had breached the ASIC 2001 ACT which covers misleading the public and the market.”
      “Miners have also been accused of trying to buy support for its campaign by offering consumers the chance to win prizes of $10,000 when they log on to view an open letter to the federal Government against the tax.”

    • mike says:

      09:11pm | 20/06/10

      This article conveniently ignores the fact that the PRRT provides a level of tax on Petroleum projects comparable to what other countries levy , whereas the RSPT will make Australian miners the highest taxed in the world.  Show me a country that has taxed its way to prosperity ???
      A better system to keep more of the wealth in Australia would be for Australian superannuation funds to buy up shares of the big miners held on the overseas bourses and their profits would end up in Australian hands.

    • acotrel says:

      11:19am | 25/06/10

      I find it difficult to have sympathy for mining companies that don’t ‘value add’ in Australia!  Sending thousands of shiploads of ore to offshore processing plants just to exploit the labour of ignorant natives, doesn’t seem right to me!

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