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Godparents wanted: Messy, poor or ugly needn’t apply

Lucy Kippist

by Lucy Kippist

14 Jul 05:50am

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There’s only one thing more cool than having a celebrity baby. Choosing a celebrity godparent.

Luckily all six godparents scrub up well

The Beckhams want Kate and Wills for baby Harper Seven. Elton John got Lady Gaga. Nicole Kidman and Hugh Jackman share Rupert Murdoch’s two young daughters.  Michael Stipe and Drew Barrymore have Frances Bean Cobain. And Jake Gygenhall claims Matilda Ledger all to himself. 

Rarely a bastion of insight and wisdom when it comes to relationships, Hollywood’s take on godparents (rich, relatively famous, well-connected and good looking) don’t apply to many of us.  But what we do share is confusion about what the role means in modern day life. Just what is today’s godparent expected to do?

First, some history. Godparents were invented as a result of the practice of Baptism, around the 2nd century, because certain faiths required every child have a “mentor” to act as a physical and spiritual guide. Originally parents filled this role, up until the Middle Ages when it became acceptable for other people to take up the responsibility.

Legally speaking, today’s godparents have no formal or legal obligation regarding their godchildren, nor do they “automatically” become guardians of the child in the event that the parents pass away.

But parenting blogs are filled with discussion on this topic. And for good reason. It’s really confusing no matter what end of the spectrum you’re coming at it.

Parents struggle with deciding who to ask, and whether their lack of faith renders the role obsolete.

One friend I spoke to, who has a close relationship with her own godparents (close friends of her parents, without children of their own) said not knowing “how” to conduct a ceremony without the religion, was putting them off doing anything at all.

Another said they avoided the problem altogether and held a “blessing ceremony” inviting friends and family as a gesture of welcome and involvement in their child’s life.

Godparents don’t get off easily either; and many agonise over actually accepting an offer.

Sometimes their reluctance comes from not understanding the role they’re expected to fill. You know you should be flattered to be asked, but how much responsibility does it actual entail? What if you’re living in another country? Are you under any obligation to see them all the time?

For other people, it’s about feelings of guilt. Or purely as a result of having several godchildren already “allotted” to them.  At what point can you have too many?

That goes for the number of godparents too. Celebrities further up the chain are particularly guilty of this. The Danish royal twins Isabella and Vincent share six godparents, and Liz Hurley’s only son Damain has seven.

Godparents and potential godparents can also be in conflict, at some level, with the way their friend is planning to raise their child.

The Guardian ran a really interesting Q/A on this kind of scenario earlier this year. A woman turned down a friend’s invitation because couldn’t reconcile the traditional, religious aspects of the role with her own feelings about faith.

The best advice in any tricky area of human relationship often comes down to communication; ask how you’d like to be asked and treat the role as you’d have it treated.

American blogger and guardianship attorney, Daniel A. Jimenez, says choosing a godparent or mentor for your child should come down your own relationship with the people in question. Ask yourself, are you going to be friends in 10 years time? And have an open conversation about what role you’d like them to play in your child’s life.

As one friend I spoke to said: “We choose people we admire and who’d be in [our children’s] lives anyway. Even though they don’t live close by anymore it doesn’t matter because they are surrounded by friends and family that love them.”

If all else fails, you could always bend it like the Beckhams and just ask a handsome prince.

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    • Stephy says:

      07:04am | 14/07/11

      I’ve got a friend who’s insisting on being Godmother for my daughter when we get her christened. She doesn’t want to be mentor, or guardian, or anything else - it’s Godparent for her. I refused her when she wanted it for my first child beause the traditional role of a Godparent is to teach the child/ren about God, and my friend is a very strong athiest. She just wants to be like an auntie with benefits (ie spoil the child - occasionally) but the title of Godmother means something totally different to what she thinks it does.
      D’you reckon I’m outdated, Punchers? Or is keeping the traditional meaning of the title a good thing?

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    • jay-ded says:

      08:54am | 14/07/11

      You have to go with what you believe.  The child is yours therefore the decision to have/not have a God parent is yours too.  Also the decision of who the godparent should be is yours.

    • Steph says:

      09:00am | 14/07/11

      Maybe her perception is that of the fairy godmother- the one who makes your daughter’s dreams come true. My brothers and sister share the godparent duties of my two children, and as we’re not that religious, the meaning is that of a guardian. If you want a person to be a godparent in the traditional sense it’s your choice. And it’s your choice who gets to be godmother, not your friend’s!

    • Slick says:

      09:07am | 14/07/11

      You don’t Ask to be a godparent, you Get asked!
      How very rude of your friend to just assume that she should be part of your childs life.
      We chose 3 people for our kids. A couple whom we are close friends with, and my best friend from childhood. The couple are their godparents but are also whom our children will go to in our will if anything were to happen to the both of us. My best friend is the executor and therefore able to keep the fact that the couple is closer to my husbands side of the family in touch with mine should anything happen.

      I feel that nowdays it isnt so much about the religious aspect, but as to the values you want your child to learn from the people you bring into their lives in an important role. My friend is not involved in church, but the couple is. They all play an important role in their lives.

      I only keep in touch with one of my godmothers, havent seen or heard from the other one for the last 10 years+. But the one I do I love having in my life and she wouldnt be there in the same way if she wasnt made my godmother all those years ago.

    • Elphaba says:

      09:24am | 14/07/11

      No, not at all.  I worry about these people who ‘insist’ on being something to a child that is not there’s.

      What stops her from spoiling the child just as an auntie?

      If Godparent means religious instruction, and you have someone who will fulfill that role, then that’s the person you pick.

      My parents were not so strict on the role - they picked friend of theirs at the time, but that was nearly 30 years ago.  Typically, you move, you lose touch etc, which is ultimately what happened.  Do what is right for you.

    • atthepub says:

      12:06pm | 14/07/11

      I think that keeping the traditional meaning of the title can be a good thing. But more than that I think that parents and godparents should agree and be clear on what is expected .. whatever that is.

    • Catherine says:

      11:02am | 17/07/11

      I think the real issue here is whether it’s appropriate for your friend to be insisting on being such an enormous part of your daughter’s life. People are asked to be godparents; they ought not to demand to be afforded such a privilege. It sounds to me as though your friend is proclaiming some form of ownership of your daughter, which may well get right out of hand over the coming months and years if she continues to be so overbearing. Of course, I don’t know anything about your friend, but I have to wonder about her agenda. I’d tread carefully here. If nothing else, your friend has a problem with understanding the concept of boundaries. Good luck!

    • samesame says:

      04:33pm | 18/07/11

      Might like to mention to her that a christening is an actual RELIGIOUS ceremony and atheists generally don’t get much of a say in them. Was the reason I would not be a godfather.

    • S.L says:

      07:36am | 14/07/11

      The most cringe worthy ceremony I attended was when my great nephew was christened. His halfwit mother and deadbeat dad only arranged for 3 godmothers. They forgot to ask any male to be godfather. Although my neice and junior were dressed up her partner insisted on wearing his recently bought HSV T shirt and shorts. The celebrant was a friend of the paternal grandmothers and was virtually illiterate. I’ve heard 5 year olds read better. Afterwards I discovered it was her first attempt. Hopefully its her last! After all formalities were finished they told us it was BYO. It was so sad it was funny….............

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    • Joan says:

      08:42am | 14/07/11

      What a nasty piece of a relative you are. You sound like the most objectionable person to invite to any do

    • Jade says:

      10:39am | 14/07/11

      Most bogan’s keep the HSV/ford/Car show shirts for special occasions like that!

    • kirsty says:

      11:45am | 14/07/11

      Hahaha S.L that does indeed sound interesting and I’m not sure formalities is the right word smile

    • samesame says:

      04:28pm | 18/07/11

      I hope his thongs were black….I mean it is a formal occasion after all.

    • atthepub says:

      07:40am | 14/07/11

      Haha, that’s funny. I know of a couple who asked their sister(in law) to be godparent to their son. Sister turns out to be very religious, brother not so much. Brother now seemingly quite peeved as sister has put up website for godchild.

      Godparent means whatever you believe to be in the best interest of the child without conflicting with the parent’s beliefs obviously. However parents better be aware of the traditional meaning of asking someone to be a godparent and if they disagree with this traditional meaning, they’d better not ask or have a discussion first.

      It’s a bit silly to ask someone to teach their child about God and then be peeved when they actually do.

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    • TChong says:

      08:32am | 14/07/11

      How about a ” “meh” parent ” for those who arent committed to a religion, but still want to hedge their bets.?

      Reply

    • Joan says:

      08:50am | 14/07/11

      If your friends are wealthy why wouldn’t you select one of them. None of your business who I select or why. Go worry about your own personal private choices and mind your own business

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    • kk says:

      11:47am | 14/07/11

      Be careful you don’t fall off that high horse you’re riding Joan.  Though if you do it may give you the opportunity to unbunch your panties.

    • jay-ded says:

      08:51am | 14/07/11

      A good friend of mine asked my husband and I to be godparents for their child about 13 years ago.  Even though it was nice to be asked, I felt really bad refusing her.  She was really upset.  I had to refuse as a Godparent is supposed to ensure that the child grows up knowing about God and his/her parents religion.  Since my husband and I are not religious people and do not believe in God, we couldn’t in all good conscience accept. 

      Does that make me bad?

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    • Michael says:

      09:07am | 14/07/11

      No Jay-ded, it makes you honest and a good friend.

    • Liz says:

      08:52am | 14/07/11

      As an atheist I accepted the request because I had been chosen by my now godson himself.He was a small boy not a baby and was able to pick who he thought was the best match for him. I talked it over with him and his parents to make sure we all knew what was expected.I was honoured to be invited and my daughter is relieved because it take sthe pressure of her for grandies!! Why the big problem?

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    • Kebabpete says:

      10:13am | 14/07/11

      @ Liz - How dare you use such a well considered and appropriate idea for a modern society.

    • Jade says:

      10:42am | 14/07/11

      From my recent experience, its seems to be only my bogan facebook friends that let their current best friend be the “godmother”, nothing religious to it what so ever.

      Reply

    • Chad C Mulligan says:

      11:37am | 14/07/11

      I’m a hardcore Mean Athiest and I was asked ( when I say asked, drafted is probably more accurate )  to be Godfather to my friend’s son.  Now number 2 has arrived and I’ve been pressed into service again.  I’m humbled and honoured to be their Godfather and love being a part of their lives.  Next month I’m taking both boys out for strong drink and tattoos.

      A question.  Is 3 years old too young to get started on The Wire?

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    • stephen says:

      12:04pm | 14/07/11

      Beckham’s brat needs baptism first.
      A bucket of water would do, and the Godfather will now be able to drink.
      (Kids just love ponies, and now his momma, Victoria, will have someone to talk to.)

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    • Tugboat Ben says:

      01:01pm | 14/07/11

      Hopefully Kate and Wills turn the Beckhams down. If for no other reason than not wanting to be associated with selfish parents. Decent parents wouldn’t knowingly make their child’s life harder than it had to be by naming them something ridiculous. A girl named Seven = a boy named Sue.

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    • Elin says:

      02:17pm | 17/07/11

      You’re so right. Those poor little kids. Imagine being named after one of the most famous and loved football players in the world. Child protection should really be on to these terrible terrible parents.

    • Cate says:

      02:52pm | 19/07/11

      Her first name is Harper - a perfectly lovely, old-fashioned name. Sure the Seven is a little different, but her parents kindly made it her middle name so she needn’t use it at all if she hates it when she is older.

    • Es says:

      02:00pm | 14/07/11

      I am a God-parent and an atheist. I see no problem with helping the child through ethical and moral instruction, whatever form you might think a ‘God’ might take.

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    • Kika says:

      02:23pm | 14/07/11

      I grew up with having God-parents. They aren’t religious and my parents aren’t fully into religion either, but it felt good knowing I had a special relationship with them that my sister didn’t have.

      It’s just sad that yet another one of the traditions in our culture is breaking down. In the olden days everyone was baptised and had god parents and not all of them believed in religion as well. But no, now we have pseduo-new wave celebrants who also do marriages and funerals by arrangement doing mock christenings just to satisfy that inner human need for ceremony.

      My kids will be christened. And if my husband wants they can receive a hindu blessing too (he was born hindu) so the kids can choose whatever they want when they grow up.

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    • Cate says:

      02:55pm | 19/07/11

      How can you have your child baptised or christened if you are not religious? It is, by its very nature, a religious celebration and concept.
      I am agnostic and would not baptise or christen a child of mine because that would be entirely ridiculous. That isn’t “culture breaking down”, it is my choice as a non-religious person to not participate in a religious system.

    • Tugboat Ben says:

      03:13pm | 14/07/11

      As a non practicing atheist the religious aspect is a non issue for me. I will expose my kids to religion but will not force it upon them. My friends and family know this. A godparent to me is an important role model / friend / guardian, not a religious studies teacher.

      The obvious choice as to who would look after our son if something where to happen to my wife and I was our family. Thinking this through we quickly realised that our parent are getting on a bit, our sibling don’t all live in the same area us and in all likelihood neither would fit as our ideal role model / guardian anyway.

      We thought about friends but equally quickly discounted many of them, at least for the time being, as they don’t have kids themselves and I don’t like the idea of forcing a lifestyle change upon them, and as highly as I regard them now, who knows what they may in fact be like as parents in the future. I know some great people who I think are pretty average parents.

      In the end we decided to not name a specific godparent. Our close friends that attended our sons blessing all know that we regard them as important role models and integral parts of his life, as they are already integral parts of ours. We are going to encourage our son to become friends with them and their families in his own right, similar to the way he will integrate into the lives of our immediate families in his own way.

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    • Either Way says:

      04:07pm | 14/07/11

      My children are christened and have my sister and my brother in law and sister in law as their god parents. We are not overly religious but my children do attend a christian school and if pressed I would identify as a christian (even the school principal tells me you can be a christian without being religious!!). My children have the right to determine their own religious beliefs and the God parents both have important roles to play should anything happen to my husband and I. 

      Due to our familes living all over the country we have very specific instructions for the ongoing care of our children should something happen that involves all members of the family coming together to discuss the best options based on their life situation at the time. We only have 2 stipulations that both girls stay together and that their wishes be considered if possible.

      Each party has their role to play and can be called upon on all matters moral, ethical or religious if the children want to. These are people we hold in high regard and share similar values (and genetics)..it works for us

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    • Daryl says:

      03:05pm | 15/07/11

      My wife and I are devout Christians, however we chose not to baptise our children as infants.  There is nothing wrong with the practice, but we felt that it should be our children’s choice if and when they choose to be baptised. 

      We had a service of thanksgiving for each of our children instead during which we asked the entire congregation and all of our family present to support us as we raise our children in the faith so there are no formal ‘Godparents’. 

      If/when our children choose baptism, they will have the opportunity to choose whoever they wish as their baptismal sponser or ‘Godparent’,  they will fully understand what baptism means, and they will know the role of ‘Godparent’ is one of spiritual support and direction.

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    • Sweetbiscuit says:

      03:19pm | 15/07/11

      Has anyone here actually wondered who the “friend/pal/confidante” is who was quoted by the magazines saying that the Beckhams want Will and Kate?  Sounds like Woman’s Day making it up as they go along…...again.  Or did the pal’s phone get hacked recently?
      Any-hoo, nice discussion on the God-parent issue.  Like many others here, we haven’t done that for our children because we aren’t religious, but we will revisit the issue now thanks to this post.

      Reply

    • Anne Stocks says:

      05:07pm | 15/07/11

      Well I’m all for a party and I Love Children but Christenings and Godparents are only Traditional they have no Scriptural confirmation accept that we are to bring Children up to know the Lord,  but this is mainly for the Parents to do and they will be held accountable for this.
      Dedication and Christening can confirm that we want to do this and in some Churches all the Congregation commits to help the Child know the Lord,  and it’s always nice to have support and encouragement, so I think Godparents are also a blessing, but who cares what they look like outwardly or what their position in life is,  what matters is where their heart is which is the same as with all of us.
      The Bible tells us that until a Child is of an age to understand good and evil they are under God’s Grace,  this means if they were to die they would go to Heaven because they are not held accountable for their sins,  but like us all when they understand the difference they will be judged if they don’t come to heart repentance before they die but it is not us who is to judge at what age they are held accountable, God does this .
      I lost 7 Children and sadly was told they all went to hell because they were not Christened and because I was an Atheist when they died but this is not confirmed in Scripture, in Truth it tells us differently as I explained before and also that Children are not punished for the sins of their Parents.
      Children of Christian Parents are Sanctified because of their Parent’s faith and this is regardless of their age,  this is the same in Marriage when one Spouse is an unbeliever, this means they are considered by God as holy and have His protection and provision but are still subject as we all are to the troubles in a fallen world and they are not saved until they come to heart repentance and believe in Jesus Christ as their own Lord and Saviour, unless their too young to understand, mentally challenged Children and Adults regardless of their age are under God’s grace and go to Heaven when they die and are perfected as we all are and receive a Spiritual body that does not die and experience total Joy and contentment.
      Kind regards Anne.

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    • Leah says:

      08:38pm | 15/07/11

      The bible does not tell us explicitly what happens to babies that die. We do not know for sure that they go to heaven, although one would think that is *probably* true. You are right that children are not punished for the sins of their parents, but all of mankind is punished for mankind’s sin.

    • Leah says:

      08:47pm | 15/07/11

      Interestingly enough, while the concept of godparents started out with religious (I kind of presume Christian) people designating a second set of ‘parents’ to help guide their children spiritually (as pointed out in the article), I think you’ll find most Christian people these days do not appoint godparents, and most parents who do appoint godparents aren’t religious. When I look at my friends at church as opposed to my friends outside the church, the percentage of parents that have appointed godparents is much higher outside the church than in. My parents said they did not appoint godparents for us because they knew their friends would help guide us (spiritually and physically) regardless of their title of ‘godparent’ or not.  They also didn’t want the friend(s) to feel like they were somehow more responsible for us as opposed to any of their other friends. That’s what family was for - if my parents were to die, our aunty would become our guardian and our family would take care of us, not family friends (regardless of how close they were).

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    • Anne Stocks says:

      10:28pm | 15/07/11

      Sorry but you are in error Leah,  the Bible does tell us Children go to Heaven,  in Truth Jesus said so Himself and the Scriptures also tell us King David’s baby son went to Heaven when he died. We are also told until Children are of an age of understanding they are not judged, this is in Deuteronomy. But we only have to stop and think…would our God of Love even in His justice send a Child to Hell for eternal torment because they could not understand about Salvation in Jesus Christ, I’m sure that is not how you see Him Leah,  it just is not in our Heavenly Father’s Godly Nurture to do such a thing… He is Love.

      Yes we are in a fallen world and so suffer the affects of this world and of course our own evil flesh nature until it is put to death by the Spirit causes us to hurt God, others and ourselves through our sinful actions and we also have Satan’s temptations as well as his motivating those under is control to hurt us.

      All this means as Jesus said we will have trouble in this world but He reminds us in Him we will be victorious and when we are afflicted it is not God punishing us or even teaching us something but if we have not come to heart repentance He does discipline us till we do,  by letting us go our own way and so we suffer the consequences of the wrong we do and the hardships of life without His refreshing and this continues until we come to our senses. As we go through testing and adversity which are not by God’s hand,  He strengthens us to withstand the Storm and at times intervenes,  He knows what we can endure.

      God does not do evil even to bring good out of it,  the Scriptures tell us to say so is slander, but He does bring good out of evil and if we Love and obey Him,  He will work all things for good in our life. God does tolerate evil because it is not His will anyone perish, but He will bring evil to an end and we know by Prophesy being fulfilled,  as we can see in many ways, that will be soon,  or at least in our life time,  but up to now, day and hour unknown.

      Take Care - Kind regards Anne

    • Anne Stocks says:

      06:10pm | 16/07/11

      Hi again Leah, I meant to say you that you are right about Christenings and godparents originating from a Church background, some Churches also wrongly call it Baby Baptism,  but this is also not confirmed in the Scriptures,  the only Baptism mentioned in the Bible is the Believers Baptism of repentance when your old enough to know you need to repent of your sins and also being Born again of God’s seed by the Holy Spirit, meaning being perfected in Love. 

      But you are also right not many understand what this means because they have turned away from the Faith so there is only a few who understand in comparison to those who reject Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour and it was prophesied that it would be this way in the end times.

      Take Care - Kind regards Anne

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    • Not all love says:

      09:20am | 17/07/11

      So God loves everyone…. except…...
      insert (in)appropriate minority group here. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to learn that the Bible teaches that children will go to hell. Regardless of what God actually wants, it’s the bearded old men who’ve written scripture, to their benefit and their beliefs. God is love, but let’s not forget all that judgment stuff.

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    • Cate says:

      03:01pm | 19/07/11

      When I was 6 I came home from school in tears because my religious studies teacher had told us that if our parents did not believe in God, then we could not love them, and they would go to hell when they died which is a dark and scary place. My parents were agnostic, and I was crying and told my Dad, “I can’t love you any more because you don’t believe in God.” Seriously, who the frag tells that sh@t to a 6 year old???
      Needless to say, one set of very unimpressed parents had words with the school principal

    • Over the religious crap says:

      12:12pm | 17/07/11

      God-parents are what you think they are, we all perserve them differently. And isn’t that what makes us unique?
      We mostly all believe that there is something up there, wether we talk about it or not so just leave it at that and stop trying to push your own beliefs onto others.

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    • Anne Stocks says:

      01:55pm | 17/07/11

      Over the religious crap says: stop trying to push your own beliefs onto others.

      Not sure who your post was referring to ...  but isn’t that exactly what you are doing Over the religious crap,  pushing your own beliefs onto others. ... we all have freedom of speech,  if you don’t like Religion then why are you posting on this part of Punch,  perhaps your more interested then you make out and would like to know more about what is up there but are afraid you won’t be able to understand or perhaps you have been hurt,  I was an Atheist because of both, anyway what ever the reason, you mind your business and let others mind theirs,  I don’t always appreciate what others post or agree with them but they have a right just the same as you and me to express their views,  besides my Faith is my business if you don’t wont to read about it or what others have to say for and against Religion that’s ok too , if you don’t want to talk about it that’s ok too,  but others do so respect their right to do so,  it’s not breaking any Law and as far as Christianity is concerned God asks us both male and female to share His Truth, correct error and to warn others of the danger they are in when they ignore Him.

      Kind regards Anne.

    • Anne Stocks says:

      12:22pm | 17/07/11

      Hi Not all love…  God loves everyone…. worldly or natural man does not… God inspired the Bible which means men wrote what God told them through The Holy Spirit,  there are things in the Scriptures that only God could have known when they were recorded,  I don’t lie you can check this out for yourself.

      God does not want anyone to perish that is why He sent His Son Jesus Christ knowing that His Love was the same as His own and that He would be willing to die so that man would not.have to face Judgement and be punished for their sin,  but for those who won’t come to heart repentance and accept forgiveness by believing in Jesus Christ sadly they will.

      God gave us all free will,  He does not take it away,  it’s our choice to choose and we will be accountable to Him for the choice we make,  He is our Creator and Heavenly Father.

      The Bible as I said before tells us that Babies and Children up to an age of understanding,  go to Heaven and so do the Mentally Challenged of all ages,  God is Love even in His justice and to send them to hell because they can’t understand and cannot choose,  is not Loving or just.

      John 3:16-18 For God so Loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved. He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the Name of the only begotten Son of God.

      It will always be your choice to either bring Joy to God or to grieve Him ...Choose wisely or you will never meet your Creator face to face.

      Kind regards Anne.

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    • Martin says:

      12:08pm | 19/07/11

      Read your posts Anne,  good on you for speaking your mind and showing some decency here. The nasty buggers that feel the urgent need to attack you because of your hounerable beliefs are an embarressment to themselves. God be with you.

    • Anne Stocks says:

      01:00pm | 20/07/11

      Dear Cat, I’m sorry you were hurt like that and your Parents, you are correct this teacher was right off base,  no one can know anyone else’s Eternal Destiny only God,  yes we can know if they are walking in faith by their words and actions but they may still come to heart repentance on their death beds,  who are we to judge where they will spend eternity.

      To tell any Child or even an Adult not to Love anyone is not from God, the Bible tells us we are to Love even our enemies,  Cat whoever your Religious Teacher was she was not a Christian at least not in her heart but lets hope she did become one and she also did not know the Scriptures.

      But sadly those who belong to Cults are taught this type of Dogma,  my friend has two daughters who are Mormons and because she will not accept their teaching they are not to have anything to do with her, this hurts her greatly.

      Take Care and don’t believe everything you hear unless it is validated by a reliable and honest source.

      Kind regards Anne.

      Reply
 
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RT @BusInsiderAU: 'We Want To Start A War In London Tonight': Machete Attacker's Words To Mother After Street Killing - http://t.co/l9lpWAG…

Daniel Piotrowski

drpiotrowski 23 May 13 08:17AM

RT @bectoria16: @drpiotrowski I've got the surname but sorry no news background. #cantbetoomanyinoz

Paul Colgan

Colgo 23 May 13 08:09AM

Anti-immigration protesters in balaclavas are gathering on London streets http://t.co/4VVU86dVEx

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