Julia Gillard had a pretty good week, for a change. Thanks to the tax forum and the jobs summit, political discussion was all about the economy.

Can she dig her way out? Picture: Ian Wilson

That is the government’s greatest strength. The more voters focus on how well Australia is doing economically compared with the US and Europe, the better the government looks.

The two events had another benefit.

The calm and constructive tone, and the surprising amount of agreement that emerged, lowered the political temperature.

That was at least partly a result of Tony Abbott being sidelined. The opposition did not take part and so became irrelevant.

But when parliament resumes on Tuesday so will the aggro and nastiness that has become the norm in Australian politics. Attention will be back on asylum seeker policy, an issue on which the government can’t win.

Legislation to validate the sending of boat people to Malaysia - ruled unlawful by the High Court - is sitting there waiting to be voted down by the Coalition and the Greens.

The carbon tax controversy is ready to be revved up again. The government will cop it from all directions over its proposed poker machine controls.

Abbott will again be centre stage. Gillard’s weakness will be back on display. Labor’s nightmare will begin anew.

About to move into this toxic environment as communications chief in the prime minister’s office is John McTernan, former spin doctor in Tony Blair’s government in Britain. Since British Labour under Gordon Brown lost office last year, McTernan has been offering advice from the sidelines via blogs and newspaper columns.

He has done the same for Labour in Scotland since the party there suffered an electoral drubbing earlier this year. As a result he was recently dubbed by an on-line commentator the “King of the What Labor Must Do franchise”.

Now McTernan is bringing that franchise to Australia. His job is to tell Gillard what Labor must do here to get out of the hole she has dug for it.

It’s instructive to read some of McTernan’s columns in The Scotsman and his blogs for The Telegraph in London to get an idea of the kind of tips he’s likely to give her.

For a start, McTernan is full of pithy bits of political wisdom.Such as: “In politics you should always listen carefully to what your opponent is saying, but, more significantly, what they are not saying”.

And: “It’s a fundamental law of political campaigning that you should always be talking about whatever it is your opponent doesn’t want to mention.”

That makes sense. The trouble is, somebody obviously gave Tony Abbott the same advice some time ago.

In one of his columns, McTernan quotes what he says is a saying from the advertising industry: “How do you beat a man with a six-foot spear? Don’t start with a three-foot spear.”

It’s pretty clear in the Australian context which leader has which weapon.

As they watched the government’s fortunes go from bad to worse in recent months, Labor MPs have been complaining about the PM’s staff.

The consensus is that she has been getting poor—even naïve—political advice and badly needs a tough, experienced operator. One of the reasons Gillard hired him is presumably his ruthless, take-no-prisoners approach. McTernan says bluntly: “Politics is about winning.”

How should a politician go about it? He says he agrees with famous African American activist Malcolm X.  “By any means necessary.”
   
And he means it.

“Everyone who aspires to public office has to be, at least in part, an intellectual thug,” McTernan asserts in a recent column. “It’s not pretty, but the public’s view is straightforward - if you won’t fight for your own job, why should I believe that you’ll fight for mine?”

While Gillard criticises Abbott for constant negativity, her new spinmeister is a strong believer in negative, attacking politics.

“There are a lot of myths about political campaigning. Top of these is the idea that negative campaigning never works,” he writes.

“A lot of people believe that because, whenever they are asked, the public declare they hate negative campaigns and swear they are never moved by them.

“As is often the case, voters are saying what they’d like to believe about themselves rather than describing how they actually act.
 
“Around the world, campaign after campaign shows that fear beats hope. And why wouldn’t it? After all, politics is a contact sport.”
 
It sounds as though McTernan will be training Gillard to try to beat Abbott at his own game.
 
Another hint about his likely approach is contained in a blog critical of the team behind Conservative PM David Cameron at 10 Downing Street, .
   
Every prime minister, McTernan writes, needs “at least one cynical pair of eyes” to advise on “what headlines a speech or briefing would deliver”.
 
The woman who thought a People’s Assembly was the way to deal with climate change policy and who failed to realise the consequences of breaking her “no carbon tax” election promise very definitely needs that kind of help.

Cynical eyes to counter her political tin ear.   

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    • nihonin says:

      09:20am | 08/10/11

      ‘How should a politician go about it? He says he agrees with famous African American activist Malcolm X.  “By any means necessary.”
       
      And he means it’. 

      As ATM states…............Carbon Tax anyone?

      Par for course then, so why exactly are the tax payers funding this wee trip out here for John McTernan.

    • Dissident says:

      11:36am | 08/10/11

      Yep, it is a sad day in politics when wasting money on useless forums with no outcomes (oooh, increase the tax free threshold when we can afford it - you mean like the Ferrari I am going to buy when I can afford it?) is seen as a good week for an astoundingly incompetent Government. Wait, I actually agree. For this pathetic mob I guess that any week where self-immolation is avoided is a win.

      Here’s the best bet though - and perhaps a little more on the topic Oakes has bought up - Labor is in deep trouble so what does it do? Get a new spinner who has already claimed that he will do whatever it takes (read - political skullduggery) to win. Awesome.

      Is this the “greed is good” moment of Australian politics?

    • Chris L says:

      12:44pm | 08/10/11

      I’m not too impressed by the recruitment of a new spin doctor. I’ve worked in corporations that were losing customers due to bad service and, instead of investing in better product and delivery, they would invest in better advertising of their existing poor product and delivery.

      If Gillard would just bite the bullet and process asylum seekers onshore with some empathy rather than locking them up out of sight I might be inclined to vote for her. She’d also have to renounce the Internet Filter. Hiring an image consultant and ramping up the dirt flinging won’t get my vote. It doesn’t work for Abbott (at least, with me) and it won’t work for Gillard.

    • Bruce says:

      02:00pm | 08/10/11

      John McTernan can spin all he likes. Current and past incompetence and waste is already well known to most Australians, hence the poll results. The carbon tax statement is out there for all to remember, “there will be no carbon tax under a government I leed”. There is only one fix for this problem, and that is to have NO carbon tax , and obviously at the time Gillard ment it. Most Australians do not like being directly lied to, they understand politicians “fibb” a lot, but not to be clearly misled. I would rather Gillard come out and say that the defacto PM Bob Brown wants this, and he has given us no other choice if we want to stay in government. Fat chance that will happen ! Pink batts, another $100 million on top of the existing $26 million is now required to fix the problem. NBN, 7 free trial sign ups in Tony Windsors area, Education revolution etc and the list goes on ! You can spin on perception but its hard to spin facts.

    • ZSRenn says:

      05:55am | 08/10/11

      1. Wasting money on two summits that will achieve nothing in the long run is not a good week in politics. This is the waste which is annoying a lot of Australians especially when one is about Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Lovely Tax! Queue theme for Batman TV series rewrite Batman for Taxman.
      2. You failed to mention the new Labor stuff up this week with KRudd bashing Indonesia to get our newest 14 year old delinquent home from Bali whilst holding Indonesian minors in Darwin on People smuggling charges.
      3. The George Orwell style Climate Change Committee with its veteran spin doctor on the team did not work. Why does she think a new spin doctor would work?
      5. To quote PM Bob Brown “Australians are smarter than this and they do not like to be patronised.”
      6. She is Prime Minister of the country and she needs to be taught about politics and how to win elections. What does that say about the rest of what she is doing?

    • Against the Man says:

      06:43am | 08/10/11

      Good points.

      Well the majority aren’t falling for her crap anymore.

      The ALP brand has crossed the line of no repair….......pretty sweet smile

    • max headroom says:

      08:54am | 08/10/11

      it was a pre paid circus and the only people paying attention where her doting disciples from the Canberra press gallery

    • Dave says:

      10:17am | 08/10/11

      I feel a lie coming on, cuz. I feel a lie coming on, cuz
      LIE
      There it was
      I feel some lies coming on, cuz. A couple lies coming on, cuz
      LIE, LIE
      There they was

    • Amused says:

      05:59am | 08/10/11

      Just what we need, more spin, lies and attack from an incompetent government,  wasting more taxpayer dollars.  Its your policies you silly woman and no amount of spin is going to change the voters minds. Fortunately most have woken up.  Gillard Labor is gone, its just a matter of when not if.  Can somebody stop this woman wasting more money on this scottish shonk, out here to make her look good and Abbott bad.  Newsflash PM, you cant make a silk purse from a sows ear.

    • nihonin says:

      07:47am | 08/10/11

      ‘Its your policies you silly woman’, let me correct that ‘Its mistaking your brain farts for policies and acting on them, you silly woman’.  That looks better.

    • Super D says:

      07:39am | 08/10/11

      Well I hope the first thing this Scotsman tells the PM is that her problem is that she’s foisting a tax she promised she wouldn’t, that no one wants or voted for on people who gave her their trust.

      This is what it boils down to.  All those who support this sort of “action” on climate change need to recognise that it will be at least a decade before the ALP will regain the trust of the electorate.  By which time the current carbon scheme will have been dismantled and it is likely that measures will be put in place that will stop any government introducing carbon legislation without the specific consent of the people.

    • John says:

      10:20am | 08/10/11

      @SuperD

      Is that the only reason you voted for Labor?

    • murr40 says:

      07:42am | 08/10/11

      WOW,just what the doctor ordered,yep the spin doctor,let me give u some free advice PM the problem with the gov is and has always been the policys,get it,and if not theres the problem….

      Now how hard was that PM i just saved the tax payer alot of money,hell PM i can advise u on all sorts of issues and i wont even charge the tax payer a cent.

    • Joan says:

      07:55am | 08/10/11

      Australia`s biggest strength is its natural resources- nothing to do with Gillard or Swan- without resources Australia would be as dead broke as the rest of the world- on the road to ruin the Gillard Carbon Tax way. The Oakeshott Tax gabfest circus over with only new idea being the Fat Tax - any easy one for Gillard to implement - she is good at slamming taxes on everything.- much easier than figuring out the Ken Henry Tax Review still sitting in her too hard basket.- perhaps NAB guy Henry can help her find it and explain it line by line. As for McTernan - does Gillard really need him? Gillard already knifed peoples PM overnight and lied to voters with `No Carbon Tax` statement, and everyday on TV and in parliament she rabbits on negatively about Abbott with press full backup. Can politics get any dirtier than Gillard plays it already?  I don’t think so. I think McTernan has met his match - he`ll have no new dirty tricks to teach Gillard- she`s done it all.

    • Simon says:

      10:23am | 08/10/11

      But we do have resources, right? What tax, by the way?

    • Max, of Rocky says:

      01:29pm | 08/10/11

      @ Simon

      most mines have a life of 30-40 years.

      That’s why they are “non renewable” resources.

      In 50 years from now, coal will be politically un-minable.
      With the pillaging going on by the mining companies, we will not be in the same situation.  Have a GFC then and Aussie will be in deep doodoo.

      With no manufacturing, next to no mines and our dollar down the tubes our only saving grace will be tourism.

      Then we will really need to be debt free, Labor will never deliver that.

      As to tax, the tax we were promised not to have, that tax.  wink

    • Simon says:

      04:43pm | 08/10/11

      What tax is that?

    • Steve Woy Woy says:

      05:18am | 10/10/11

      Simon: I think I know what tax you talk of like many others do too but feel confused by the double standards http://bit.ly/j6BQgF which is also applicable in the mining industry, we only need look at Bougainville there -  polluted rivers and valleys for the next 200 years or more all because it saved a buck and no one was there to stop us!! so yeah most mines life is about 30 - 40 years but you can remember them for a lot longer.
      The statements of being as broke as the rest of the world from Joan the Saviour of the far right… well she may need to believe that but I would hate to think what would have happened if her mob were in at that time…. oh thats right they would have buried all the skeletons with the mother of all recessions then claimed the only man other than JC was the best to rule over this fair land well he acted nearly the same with all our monies http://bit.ly/qR7jG5 didn’t build much or even do much really except sell of our gold stocks to make the books look good and stay in power…. love that power they do!!! http://bit.ly/nbNOvm
      For all the belly aching and bemoaning from the right the numbers don’t lie http://bit.ly/qBWgd8 the big spenders of our monies have always been and will always be those from the born to rule mob!!
      At the end of the day chaps it’s only politics after all http://bit.ly/qyLUXl

    • thatmosis says:

      07:59am | 08/10/11

      Im really getting sick and tired of people who try to maker Gillard look good.  She is without doubt the worst PM Australia has ever had the misfortune to almost elect, apart from Rudd that is and no amount of fanfares and good news stories that arent is going to change that.
      She may have a new spin doctor but the problem doesnt lie in the spin but who’s telling it. People dont believe a word she says and even if it were the whole truth and nothing but the truth (thats really funny) nobody would be listening. She can have a thousand summits but ultimately its up to her to sell what comes out and thats extremly hard when nobody listens or if they do takes each and every word with a grain of salt. The fact that she lied to the Australian people to get almost elected is the main problem and everything stems from that one episode.

    • Eric says:

      10:26am | 08/10/11

      Without doubt the worst PM Australia has ever had was John Howard.

    • Robert Smissen Of rural SA says:

      05:01pm | 08/10/11

      Obviously your memory is shot, did you forget about Gough Whitlam, the numb-nut who almost got away with selling us to the Arabs? ?

    • Paulb says:

      08:55am | 09/10/11

      I don’t know Robert.  I think Whitlam finally has a serious challenger.  Whitlam probably still holds it as a better politician but I think we have a new worst government

    • Martin says:

      12:04pm | 09/10/11

      I remember the Whitlam years. What a shambles, what a disgrace. However, at least he had the courage of his convictions, he really wanted to make a difference. This mob we have now are equally as incompetant, however they could not care less about anyone but themeselves, so Gillard & Co are the worst in history.

    • Mayday says:

      08:05am | 08/10/11

      Anything would be an improvement on the diatribe from Gillard who in my mind often outplays Abbott in regard to negative messages.

      She skirts around the personal with Tony Abbott constantly blaming him for her governments problems and I find this one of her main weaknesses.

      “Attack in the best defence” seems to be her way of getting through all the mistakes made by her government. 

      Since the general population have swung against the climate change propaganda the media have started to dismiss her “blame Abbott” monologue.

      A government that can barely save themselves and blames everyone but themselves doesn’t deserve the respect the office deserves and this government is long past the point of no return.

    • Paulb says:

      09:12am | 09/10/11

      Its the political trick of trying to make Abbott the issue, and not her own self and team.  They all do it. but Gillard’s mob do it more than I’ve ever seen.  Its a desperation ploy.

    • Joel B1 says:

      08:27am | 08/10/11

      You miss the point entirely Oakes.

      Gillard is a dirty, back-stabbing, “by any means necessary” political fighter. Look at the way she so easily and glibly dumped her “No Carbon Tax” mandate. And Rudd.

      But that’s the problem, it’s all for her personal gain, not the ALPs. The ALP brand as a whole is now worse than that of the Moscow build Lada car. (I should know, I had one).

      And as for a negative campaign she hasn’t stopped since “winning” the last election. It’s all “Mr Rabbit says “No”, “It’s Tony Abbott fault” etc.

      She’ll be teaching that Scotsman that constant negative harping really does piss most people off.

      That’s the harsh reality of Gillard style politics. Drag down your party for decades for the sake of being a lame PM for a few years.

      PS Hope Tony Abbott has been taking it easy last week. Reading any comments by ordinary Australians would have brought a smile to his face. Gillard and the ALP are indescribably “Off”.

    • Vaunted says:

      07:01am | 09/10/11

      You know when a PM has hit rock bottom when his/her aged parents are dragged in to beg us to give her a go.

    • BMJ says:

      08:41am | 08/10/11

      I think the week was quite uneventful and that’s what Julia needs for things to calm down so she can catch her breathe because she was getting hammered pretty hard.

    • Against the Man says:

      02:30pm | 08/10/11

      Totally agree.

      But there will be more chaos in the coming weeks….............CT is sinking deeper and deeper, the poop is about to hit the fan smile

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      08:47am | 08/10/11

      If it’s a good week when the focus is on the economy, ground that the coalition owns, then I’d hate to see a bad one. The electorate are not convinced that this Government is in any way responsible for good aspects of our economy other than putting brakes on it.

    • iansand says:

      08:50am | 08/10/11

      It will be interesting to see how Abbott reacts when the superficiality of his style of politics is seriously challenged.  Annoying small businesses with photo opportunities can only go so far.

    • Joel B1 says:

      09:45am | 08/10/11

      Anyone with half a brain would prefer “no-policies” over the stupid, half-arsed policies Gillard and the ALP come up with.

      For example, has the NBN real-take-up, ie people actually paying for the internet via the NBN fibre got into triple figures yet?

      I doubt it.

    • B2 says:

      11:08am | 08/10/11

      Joel
      You really shouldn’t comment on things you know nothing about.

    • Denny Crane says:

      11:44am | 08/10/11

      As a small business man I would prefer to be annoyed for 1/2 day by an Abbott photo opportunity then be annoyed for 3 years by Gillards petty red tape solutions to non existant problems. The fabian attitude by these clowns will damage small business for years. I suppose small business only employs about 80% of the workforce so they are expendable.

    • Brian Taylor says:

      08:53am | 08/10/11

      Well KRudd will soon be giving Julia more weeks of hell.
      her spin doctor may very well be working for Rudd sooner than later.
      He’s off and running for the top job now even though he knows full well that it’ll cost labor the election
      as Julia is about to learn the hard way “payback is a bitch”

    • Burrup says:

      09:14am | 08/10/11

      “Tony Abbott being sidelined. The opposition did not take part and so became irrelevant.”

      Pretty much sums up the LNP since Abbott took over.
      They take part in and contribute nothing to the debate on any issues of substance. They are one mass of nothingness that goes by the name of NO.

    • Luke says:

      10:22am | 08/10/11

      Does Gillard ever say YES to Abbott? NO!
      The NO campaign has become as transparent as Gillard.

    • Max, of Rocky says:

      10:42am | 08/10/11

      Total codswallop.

      Where have you been hibernating, on Mars?

      Do you know that your browser can actually read the Liberal, National and other party websites with their policies and reactions to current affairs?

      Go surfin dude and get real.  grin

    • mickijo says:

      02:52pm | 08/10/11

      I thought I heard on TV that the Opposition was strictly uninvited to the gabfest. If so, how could they take part?

    • palone says:

      08:04pm | 08/10/11

      @Luke. You must be a bit of a dill, luke. No offense but when she did say “NO!” to Abbott it was because she remembered what happened to the last woman to say “YES!” to Abbott. Be fair mate.

    • Joan says:

      12:51am | 09/10/11

      Of course whether they were invited or not, or whether they turned up or not, is as irrelevant as they are, as Burrup stated. They could just write NO on a piece of paper, and that would be all they would have had to contribute anyway.

    • Joan says:

      09:52am | 09/10/11

      Abbott too smart to turn up to any Oakshott led Circus invite or no invite. .Anyone who thinks that Oakeshott smarter than Ken Henry on Tax has got marbles in their head- Oh guess that is Swan and Gillard who sent out invites to Oakeshott Circus, Oakeshot the new Tax advisor to Swan and Gillard. What a sad joke. Swan and Gillard rip up Ken Henry Tax advice in favour of Oakeshott. The clowns and misfits running the country.

    • Martin says:

      12:21pm | 09/10/11

      Joan, firstly there are now two links here showing that Abbott was not invited. Secondly, you and Burrup parrotting ALP one liners about “Abbott saying no to everything” is lacking substance. Just this week for instance he backed the governments’ intended support for the manufacturing sector. And for good reason. What you are not understanding is that he is saying no to bad policy, such as the Malaysian swap deal. We take 4000 and they take 800., and they get the right of veto over who makes up the 800! The human aspect of this policy also stinks, they are being sent to a country where they may not be treated humanely. This simply is bad policy, and many in the ALP agree. Hence Abbott opposes this policy for good reason.

    • RyaN says:

      03:51pm | 10/10/11

      @Burrup: Let us check shall we.. http://au.nielsen.com/news/200512.shtml

      Hmm Coalition 58% lead ALP 42%, I am confused by your irrelevance claim, care to explain that in the context of the steady poll results?

    • Freeman says:

      09:24am | 08/10/11

      “One of the reasons Gillard hired him is presumably his ruthless, take-no-prisoners approach. McTernan says bluntly: “Politics is about winning.”

      How should a politician go about it? He says he agrees with famous African American activist Malcolm X.  “By any means necessary.””

      pfft, like that mentality has been missing from the ALP?

    • Viti says:

      09:46am | 08/10/11

      Laurie, they should train the Labor party politicians to mention TONY ABBOTT more, in their speaches, blame him for things, try and trash his credentials, undermine him for his budgie smugglers - if they use his name more they might undermine The Liberal Party. Julia only mentioned him 34 times in a recent speach, with pathetic underperforming like that how can she expect to bring him down.
      I thought it wasgospel in western democracy never to mention a challenger by name!
      Perhaps Labor can rip themselves to shreds in this current schism and emerge anew as a real social justice party with business accumen. That’s the vague hope many of us have! Eveb the creator of the universe must see that’s what we need now.
      None of the incumbents need apply. We might get an opposition after the next election with more than a cricket team in number!

    • Abby says:

      10:31am | 08/10/11

      This easy to recognise “change of tactics” and “personal attacks” that go on weekly from Gillard toward Abbott make you realise she is no Prime Minister. If all she thinks her job is as PM is to play tactics all week with Abbott I’d like to know who is doing the Prime Ministers job. She’s more like a disgruntled bitching backbencher. Labor wonder why Australians don’t take her seriously as the Prime Minister. She should try acting like one.

    • Mouse says:

      08:27pm | 08/10/11

      gillard was always entertaining to watch when she was in Opposition. she attacked like a terrier in Question Time, always yapping at the heels of everyone, screaming NO and FAILURE at all Liberal members.  As you say Abby, amusing as a backbencher but not a good look for the PM.

    • poa says:

      09:59am | 08/10/11

      Just when you think that the ALP can’t sink any lower, when you think Craig Thomson and Belinda Neal have exposed the heart of the ALP..they prove you wrong.
      You don’t care…so anything you write is pure propaganda. Just another part of the Hate media.
      Check out Tueday’s Newspoll for a reality check buddy.

    • splash the cash says:

      10:03am | 08/10/11

      A good week,
      With the Comeback Kid Kev. hot on the trail, i wonder When the Midnight Cowboys will come a Knocking on Jules door.

    • Max, of Rocky says:

      10:36am | 08/10/11

      I would love to know how much has been spent on conferences, forums, committees and other talkfests Labor has run since 2007.

      I would also love to know how many of the recommendations by % have been implemented in full.

      Plus, how much has been spent on experts (consultants) etc.?

      Bet the numbers would be quite sobering, to say the least.

    • Min of hooterville says:

      01:11pm | 08/10/11

      Much more better to spend the money on middle class welfare Rocky
      Bring back little johnny

    • mickijo says:

      02:57pm | 08/10/11

      And how much has been spent on boat people and people smugglers and failed efforts to shove them elsewhere. A full reckoning would be appreciated.

    • bruce says:

      04:59pm | 08/10/11

      I totally agree with mickijo. Howard wasted way too much money on offshore processing, but thanks to the High Court that’s over now.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      10:38am | 08/10/11

      Repent ye sins. Tony Abbott is coming to smite all the sinners and unbelievers….

    • Max, of Rocky says:

      01:03pm | 08/10/11

      Amen.

      There are plenty of “sinners” who must be shaking in their boots.

      For “sinners” read wasters of public monies - Labor Inc.

      Start on your new CV’s now boys and girls, judgement day cometh.

    • poa says:

      02:18pm | 08/10/11

      Wow….thats smart. Abbot is undeserving of being PM because he’s a CATHOLIC?..
      Check your history buddy..so were ALP PM’s.
      And then check the law.. bigotry like that is possibly a crime
      Suppose thats all the ALP has left though

    • Against the Man says:

      02:19pm | 08/10/11

      Which will still be less painful to what Gillard is doing to her believers smile

    • Look and Learn says:

      11:03am | 08/10/11

      It is obvious from the comments here that the little conservative piggies have very little to do on weekends except to all cry at the trough of negativity.

      It is so refreshing when Abbott is off the scene, only then do we realise how lucky we have it here in Australia, then next week he returns and all the doom and gloom returns with him.

      The worst thing for the Australian economy and our confidence is Tony Abbott himself, he’s just too arrogant to realise it, you just have to take a look at how the ASX performs when he’s not around, when he’s off the scene, the stock market rises, when he starts his doom and gloom business visiting charades, the market falls. Given two more years of Abbott’s antics and people will begin to realise that he is nothing but a fake and someone that cannot nor should not be trusted.

      I do feel for the people that work for him, a day in his office must be so depressing, strutting around all day with his negative attitude and nasty invectiveness would turn anyone into a depressive alcoholic.

    • William says:

      12:59pm | 08/10/11

      Look & Learn - Just what do you expect an opposition leader to do L & L, sit around say nothing and do nothing?  Then you’d be saying he wasn’t doing his job because we haven’t heard from him.  It is a no win situation with some of you wafflers.  Give yourself an uppercut L & L ya dingwhopper!

    • jf says:

      02:50pm | 08/10/11

      Interesting that you think that the ASX reacts to Abbott rather than the actual government.

      The fact is that our stockmarket has grossly underpeformed the rest of the world during the course of the last two governments despite us being far better positioned than any other country in the world by virtue or our natural resources.

    • I hate pies says:

      03:00pm | 08/10/11

      So nice of you to call me a pig - very constructive. I’d bet you wouldn’t call me that to my face (6 foot 3 and 115kgs). By the way; if you think Tony Abbott has any effect on the stock market you’re a very naive and one-eyed person.
      The worst thing for our economy is the burden of excessive taxes, excessive compliance costs and excessive union demands.

    • Felipe says:

      03:40pm | 08/10/11

      You don’t know Tony Abbott! You are just as shrill as the PM when attacking Tony.  For a change read something other than Labor propaganda.  Next week parliament question time is back and Gillard who has not got the numbers to pass the Malaysian solution in the lower house will be begging for the WA mp Crook for help.  I hope Crook says no to her.  With a defeat in the upper house maybe we can have an election sooner rather than in 2013.

    • LJ Dots says:

      04:18pm | 08/10/11

      Me? I’m just here this weekend for the mixed metaphors.

    • elhombre says:

      02:38pm | 09/10/11

      You support a party of paedophile protectors and brothel creepers and you presume to call coalition voters “piggies”? What a twisted, hate filled little loser you are .. perfect labor material really. You must be an ALP backbencher!

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      11:19am | 08/10/11

      Laurie our colours are really showing!
      A success? No, it wasn’t the so-called Tax Forum was nothing more than an expensive gab-fest at which the topics were limited & restricted by Gillard & Swan. Apparently, the item uppermost in People’s minds, as opposed to Gillard & Swan & yet this Forum was supposed to be for the People & they were going to listen to the People, was the option of Increasing the GST to 20%. They were frobidden to discuss this.
      Gillard said in her opening waffle that “If you want to go out & buy $1000 worth of groceries you are entitled to do so…BUT, she said, you are not entitled to then ask someone else to pay for that $1000 worth of goods”- Yes, I know that’s not verbatim but it the gist of what she said.
      What about what she has done during her shopping spree? Debt upon debt upon debt & she expects everyone else to pay it off!
      What a bloody joke! Rudd, Gillard & Swan inherited $23billion on cold, hard cash-in-the-bank. Today thanks entirely to Rudd, Gillard & Swan the Federal Government of Australia has sunk Australia into debt to the tune of $250+ billions & climbing.
      Who’s going to pay those debts off, laurie? You, Gillard, Swan or Rudd? No! The latter three will be living off the fat of the land at our expense with their huge pensions & perks after we have thrown them out!
      Paul Keating, he who plunged Australia into billions in debt grabbed onto that phony “World’s Greatest Treasurer” title. Swan has done the same. It seems that to get such a title the sole criteria is to ensure that you plunge your country into almost bankrupting debt.

    • Steve Putnam says:

      07:22am | 09/10/11

      So what would your response have been to the GFC? According to the Coalition we should just have braced ourselves and allowed the tidal wave to roll over us. Judicious spending at the right time kept employment up and gave small business breathing space. Apart from these factors, much needed money was poured into the education sector, unlike what happened under the Howard Government when private schools were given money to build rifle ranges and indoor swimming pools and the like and public education left in the lurch.
      Where do you get that nonsense about increasing the GST to 20% from?
      Neither side of politics has any intention of increasing it even by a couple of points let alone doubling it! Mind you I can’t say I’m that surprised by such outlandish claims from someone who thinks 7% of GDP is “almost bankrupting debt”.

    • Geez... says:

      11:50am | 08/10/11

      Geez…a good week….??? Time to walk away, Oaksie…you are really becoming a laughing stock with your pathetic posturing for every thing Labor. You have lost all credible reason to write anything with semblance of balance.

    • poa says:

      12:14pm | 08/10/11

      Cmon..give Laurie a break….It wouldn’t be hospitable not to thank his ALP mates for the parties with Craig Thomson.
      Its not as if anyone actually listens to him.

    • sam says:

      01:59pm | 08/10/11

      you sound like your in the mould of that labor phobia a bolt

    • thatmosis says:

      12:33pm | 08/10/11

      Eric says:11:26am | 08/10/11

      Without doubt the worst PM Australia has ever had was John Howard.

      I nearly fell out of my chair laughing at that statement and then I realised the the person making it was probably in some kind of institution for the incurably insane, sorry about the laughter, take your meds and have a good lie down and maybe they will let you out of the straight jacket again to write some more garbage, there’s a good boy..

    • Eric says:

      05:12pm | 08/10/11

      Name the only Australian Prime Minister in history to ever lose their own seat, and never win it back. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing at your comment, but I don’t mind if you write some more garbage, there’s a good boy..

    • Geez... says:

      06:08pm | 08/10/11

      @ Eric….looks like the computer room at the asylum has been left unlocked again.

    • Dave C says:

      06:32pm | 08/10/11

      Actually JWH did not want to “win it back” so to say “he” never won it back is wrong, “he” retired after losing his seat and considering the govt lost it saved a bi election.  Ok then what about the party not winning it back then, oh hang on thats right at the election after I believe his seat went back to the Liberal party so the actual party did win it back.

      Now whos writing garbage Eric.

    • Eric says:

      08:14pm | 08/10/11

      You are, Dave. John Howard could have run at the next election but chose not to, but much more importantly, he remains one of only two Australian Prime Ministers in history to ever lose their own seat. The other ran again and won it back.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      11:40pm | 08/10/11

      Damn straight John Howard is the worst PM Australia has ever had- He built the middle class family welfare state the the average punter is addicted to like crack cocaine. That’s billions of dollars of recurrent expenditure that no political party dare get rid of….

    • Dave C says:

      10:27am | 09/10/11

      Eric… didnt you listen to me. Yes he could have run in 2010, but as you said he CHOSE NOT TOO and some how for you thats a bad thing. Also by 2010 he was 71 years old and after 11 1/2 years as PM out of 33 years as member for benelong he had had enough. He said before the 2007 election he was going to retire mid term if he won and he didnt so he was actually keeing his word. As for Stanley Bruce was a young man who had the enthusiasm to fight on. You are comparing Apples and Shoes.

      Speaking of Benelong did you know that the boundaries of the seat were moved significantly from 2004 to 2007 making it very marginal to the point where his house in Wollstonecraft wasnt even in the seat anymore.

      Also how is this relevant to him being PM for 11 1/2 years, wow he lost his seat after they moved the seats boundaries, he said he was going to retire anyway, he did retire and somehow its significant that he chose not to run at the age of 71 after already going to the very top of the political class in this country. Then the Libs won it back anyway. FFS get over it.

    • mickijo says:

      12:31pm | 09/10/11

      Where is the great Maxine MacWho who won Howard’s seat? Can you give a list of her achievements? How much has she advanced the country?
      This nation will never stop mourning the loss of one of our greatest PM’s in exchange for ??????????.

    • Eric says:

      01:52pm | 09/10/11

      @Dave   What is significant is the fact that John Howard was one of only two Australian Prime Ministers to ever lose their own seat. Liberal supporters have desperately tried to avoid that fact ever since with comments about which party subsequently won the seat. Imagine if we applied that nonsense to every seat ever lost.

      Without doubt the worst PM Australia has ever had was John Howard. FFS get over it.

    • Martin says:

      03:39pm | 09/10/11

      @ Eric hahahahahahhahahhahahahahhahhahahahahhahahahhahhahhahha
      Howard won 4 elections you silly dill, sounds like you never got over that fact LMAO Eric.  It is unbelievable how Labor people grab hold of some illogical notion, and then dahdah, it is now “fact”. Incredible lunacy.  Could I also remind you Eric, and I know this fact is really going to crap you, and that is that the two longest serving PM’s in Australian history were both Liberals! They must have been really bad PM’s to keep on winning election after election, really bad. LMAO Eric LMAO.

    • Eric says:

      04:30pm | 09/10/11

      Oh dear, you really are sounding hysterical, aren’t you, Martin? You’re not coping at all well with the fact that John Howard is one of only two Australian Prime Ministers to ever lose their own seat. Yes, that’s what it is, and will always be. A fact. Not “some illogical notion”. Deal with it.

    • Chris L says:

      05:07pm | 09/10/11

      Streuth! I think followers from both sides need to step back and take a pill! Is this a competition over who can be most insulting and condescending? Seems a tie to me.

    • Martin says:

      01:26pm | 10/10/11

      @Eric. No Eric, I’m sorry, the “illogical notion” is your assertion that Howard was the worst PM in history. You have been shown to have posted nonsense, so you resort to misrepresenting yourself. Just give it miss mate.

    • The Very Reverend Lance Boil says:

      12:48pm | 08/10/11

      Politics is the work of the Devil. Repent ye sinners or perish in the white hot fires of hell and damnation.

    • Alex Salmond says:

      12:49pm | 08/10/11

      The reason McTernan is coming to “assist” Gillard is that he’s a laughing stock in Britain. His last two electoral efforts have seen smashing defeats for Labour at both Westminster and in Scotland. He has zero credibility and has finally realised that in no small part to the attitudes taken under his advice, Labour is unelectable for a generation. His sub Malcolm Tucker antics won’t endear him to anyone in Australia. I give him six months tops.

    • mickijo says:

      01:43pm | 09/10/11

      Bring him on!

    • mick says:

      01:41pm | 08/10/11

      The reason why Gillard has had a decent week is because the media has laid off her rather than the one sided bashing which has been the norm whilst at the same time ignoring the blatant no policies Abbott who is running the ultimate fear campaign against everything, with the big end of town pushing its own greedy needs over that of the nation.  Australians espouse a fair go for all and the media needs to stop the blatant bias and get on with the job of bashing both sides of politics equally.  And maybe it could occasionally look at the good side as well.
      In terms of the six foot spear, well the size of a spear has always been inversely proportion to the size of a politician’s brain.  The bigger the spear (and the ego) the smaller the brain (and intelligence).  By that measure Abbott is clearly struggling. 
      Clearly it will be on again next week.  Bring on Malcolm Turnball before the once great Liberal Party becomes the snivelling bunch of whinging trouble makers that it has become.  Let us hope that Australians look at policies and achievements rather than listen to the negative put downs which come from an increasingly marginal Opposition.

    • Martin says:

      01:41pm | 08/10/11

      Seriously, Gillard is gone. Rudd has stepped up the attack on Abbott, as well as stepping up the destabilisation of Gillard. This means he can sniff an opportunity, otherwise he would wait for a better time. I would suggest

      1) Gillard gone before Christmas
      2) Election in the new year with Rudd as leader
      3) Carbon tax dumped and replaced with an ETS
      4) ALP detaching ties with the Greens
      5) Mother of all dirty smear campaigns against Abbott

      Hence what Gillard does, says, how she says it, what stupid hand movements she makes and what her voice sounds like will mean nothing, she will be a has been. They are not a particularly loyal mob the ALP, and they will dump her in another grubby left wing political assasination just to save their hides

      Hopefully the people that constitute their usual supporters will have the good sense to turf them, no matter who is leading the ALP. they will have had nearly 5 years to get things right. The country has been directionless for most of this period and really needs to get rid of this atrocious government before it has done any more damage.

      So much for Rudd’s bleatings about saving the country from Tony Abbott. We desperately need Tony Abbott to save us from the Labor party.

    • Malcolm says:

      05:19pm | 08/10/11

      Don’t you know anything? Carbon pricing is an ETS. And, the country’s been fine for the last 4 years.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:41pm | 08/10/11

      A carbon tax is not an ETS.

      Enough lies for one decade please ALPers!

    • Malcolm says:

      01:17am | 09/10/11

      Another ignoramus. Carbon pricing is an ETS.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:50am | 09/10/11

      Malcolm, calling me names won’t change your lie.

      But it does say a lot about what makes you tick smile

      Another ATM win.

    • Martin says:

      11:27am | 09/10/11

      Malcolm, Gillard herself has said that they will initially be putting a price on Carbon and then be moving to an Emissions Trading Scheme. Back off the condecending tone when you don’t have your facts straight

    • palone says:

      01:14pm | 09/10/11

      Be fair ATM. Malcolm didn’t define your ignorance. You did.
      Brilliantly!!

    • Malcolm says:

      01:59pm | 09/10/11

      Martin, Gillard herself has said that they will initially be putting a price on Carbon and then be moving to an Emissions Trading Scheme. I’m pleased to see you now understand. Please explain it to your feeble minded friend.

    • Against the Man says:

      02:52pm | 09/10/11

      Wow all the name calling in the defence of lies…...........keep it up guys, the ALP needs more people like you to hasten its demise. I’ve been through this with others of your kind for at least a year and a half now, and I’m still standing.

      smile

    • Martin says:

      03:59pm | 09/10/11

      Malcolm, your own post has in fact proven you to be a dill.  You stated in acceptance of what I posted   “will be initially putting a price on Carbon and then be moving to an Emissions Trading Scheme”  which acknowledges the two as seperate entities. One is a Carbon tax, the other is a trading scheme, simple.

      Macolm, you need to just accept that you have been arguing nonsense. Perhaps your delicate little ego can’t accept that. Besides all of that, just another little question for you, if they are the same thing why are we introducing one and then the other? I mean. logically your argument is utter garbage. 

      Just to finish the whole point of my original post was to cover the broader picture regarding Gillard, Rudd and the mess Labor has created. Typically, some small minded Labor wally has decided to get into some piddling semantic argument about the CT and ETS. That pretty well somes up how the Labor mind works, forget about the big picture and get bogged down in trivial and meaningless detail. The sooner we get rid of these dills the better.

    • Malcolm says:

      05:36pm | 09/10/11

      Oh, Martin. I thought you were doing so well for a moment there. Carbon pricing is an ETS. Try again.

    • Martin says:

      01:29pm | 10/10/11

      Malcolm, you are as thick as a brick.

    • Malcolm says:

      05:59pm | 10/10/11

      If that’s the best you can do, Martin, then now I see why you’re having so much trouble understanding.

    • Martin says:

      12:38pm | 11/10/11

      @Malcolm, OK, lets see the best you can do Malcolm, you give us the explanation as to how a Carbon Tax is an ETS ? No snide remarks and usesless one liners, just the facts thanks.

    • Malcolm says:

      06:53pm | 11/10/11

      Can’t you read, Martin? I said carbon pricing is an ETS.

    • Martin says:

      09:53am | 12/10/11

      Well that pretty well confirms that you know you have stuffed up. Is that all you have, Malcolm. If you cannot explain it then I will for you. A carbon tax is paid directly to the government at a set price, there is no “trading” so by definition it is NOT an ETS. An Emissions Trading Scheme involves the trading of valid credits at market rates as in Europe.  As you can see there is a significant difference. Hope this helps.

    • Malcolm says:

      02:31pm | 12/10/11

      Can’t you read, Martin? I said carbon pricing is an ETS.

    • Martin says:

      11:15am | 13/10/11

      It’s not about reading, Malcolm, it’s about comprehending what you have written. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, I have put the difference in plain language yesterday and iinstead of giving a detailing explanation as to why I am wrong, you reply with childishness. The reason for the childish answer is simple enough to see, you have stuffed up and can’t admit it.

    • Malcolm says:

      09:33pm | 13/10/11

      Can’t you comprehend, Martin? I said carbon pricing is an ETS.

    • Martin says:

      09:10am | 14/10/11

      @Malcolm, can you please read these articles from Wikipedia:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissions_trading_scheme

      You should pay particular attention to the headings “Definition” “Market based and least cost” and “Emissions Markets” in the article on Emissions Trading Scheme. Please also note the definition and operation of a Carbon Tax..

      This should assist with your comprehension and understanding on these matters.

    • Malcolm says:

      04:35pm | 14/10/11

      Can’t you read or comprehend, Martin? I said carbon pricing is an ETS.

    • Martin says:

      02:33pm | 15/10/11

      The only person with significant issues Malcolm is yourself. Plainly you choose to ignore the facts. It is clearly outlined to you several occasions and you now have links to read to confirm your stupidty and you still persist. My bet is that you are around 14 years old. This would explain the childishness. BTW, it’s not good enough to just say it is an ETS. You need explain how it is an ETS otherwise you have no argument.

    • Malcolm says:

      09:08am | 16/10/11

      Maybe if I say it very, very slowly you’ll be able to understand.

      Carbon ... pricing ... is ... an ... ETS.

    • Malcolm says:

      08:42am | 17/10/11

      Then again, maybe not.

    • Martin says:

      09:37am | 19/10/11

      And still no explanation, Malcolm. Pretty poor effort. presented with the facts and no intelligent reply. Says it all really.

    • Malcolm says:

      12:29am | 20/10/11

      You still can’t understand, Martin? I’ll try morse code then.

      -.-. .- .-. -...—- -.  .—. .-. .. -.-. .. -.—.  .. ...  .- -.  . - ... .-.-.-

    • palone says:

      07:58pm | 08/10/11

      Hands up anyone here who is to pay a carbon tax should any atmosphere-pollution-associated penalties be passed in the Parliament.
      I won’t pay a tax, Abbott won’t pay a tax, (and he knows it), and not one person in this nation will pay a tax, unless he is part of one of the few larger companies who pollute above an allowable limit. Even then it will be the company, not the individual, who pays for the excessive contamination that the company produces.
      Why do those who know that they will not be taxed one cent maintain this fiction, which splits the nation for nothing but political advantage?
      Well it is no secret. Those who, for their own sakes, (and stuff the nation!), are lying. Abbott lies, so the syncophantic intelligence-challenged, elite-by-association Liberals follow. And lie.
      Gillard said, forcefully and truthfully, that there would be no carbon tax under any Government she leads. And there is no carbon tax anticipated. There is a range of penalties for over-pollution. Such penalties are established in many countries all over the world. And so they should be. The atmospheric-pollution penalty to be applied is simply an extension of present laws.
      Perhaps the foolish rabble who follow every NO!,NO! that Abbott shouts should realise that when a polluter contaminates a town’s water that polluter is fined. Abbott’s argument, eagerly taken up by the Abbotteers, is that the polluter will now put the price of his goods up and we are made to pay. He forgets that we can go to the competitor who hasn’t been fined and buy from them. Of course he forgets nothing of the sort but it helps his lie and that of his rag-tag-can’t-think-for-themselves-brigade, so Hey!, what’s a lie or nine?
      Feel happy to explain how much tax you will each pay if you have the courage to respond, won’t you. Like an Aussie.

    • palone says:

      08:56pm | 08/10/11

      No answer was the stern reply. Are you all waiting for the failed abbott to tell you what to say. Shame on you!

    • Bruce says:

      10:30pm | 08/10/11

      Agree, and anyone who knows just a little about the proposed tax would agree: But my cost of living will certainly go up, particularly my electricity bill. If the government can categorically tell me my electricity bill will be reduced when the tax is introduced, then they have my vote.

    • Tator says:

      10:33pm | 08/10/11

      Palone,
      you are correct, no member of the general public will directly pay any carbon tax - but what they will pay is the increase in prices due to the 400 odd companies who are slugged the carbon tax passing their increased costs on in full.  Now what makes this tax a wealth distribution mechanism is the fact that the income tax bracket and marginal rate changes that make up the bulk of compensation is only being paid to certain income brackets purely on income - not on consumption of products that the production of generates carbon dioxide emissions.  .

    • splash the cash says:

      11:40pm | 08/10/11

      Palone,
      bla bla bla bla,
      This proposed carbon tax is Bullshit and was based on a lie.
      People like you should never forget that the MAJORITY RULES right or wrong and wiil oust this tax at the next election and you and others will Bowdown,Shutup and accept the outcome.
            P.S.one can never be Positive On Shit Policies.

    • Paulb says:

      09:07am | 09/10/11

      Palone, you are one week shill.  Do you think we haven’t seen through the process you people are foisting on us to hide the true nature of your agenda?  Taxes disguised as charges are still taxes, even if we pay them one step removed.  Your dishonesty is truly disgusting.

    • palone says:

      01:32pm | 09/10/11

      @PaulB. You must have me confused with someone else. Your beloved leader has given his total support to a scheme, not indirectly taxing you, me, and the mayor of Bunyip, but directly taxing us to re-imburse industry for their criminal pollution of the air we breathe. Don’t you support your not-very-illustrious leader?
      So, you and your lot are right. Prices need not go up, because you and I and the aforesaid Mayor will be making up the difference. By paying, not an increased price, but a completely direct tax. Whether we use that particular product or not. And you, (and your lot), reckon that’s okay?
      Mind you, the prices from the polluters will still go up under some other Abbottism, (he’ll find one for his mates), and you will pay double.    Elect Abbott?  The love-child of Howard and the lovely Bronwyn Bishop?
      I, errr, don’t think so.

    • palone says:

      05:51pm | 09/10/11

      Atm, I really appreciate your support, and I think that for a twelve-year-old, you express yourself quite well.
      I’m not however an ALP supporter, I’m an ALP member. Don’t make assumptions, young man.
      I’m not a member of any minority group, I’m a member of the Governing Party in this wonderful country. Don’t make assumptions about matters at all, let alone matters that are beyond your childish, (but understandable) comprehension. The Liberal party however, are in the minority, even with the support of their cohorts, the National Party. Labor outscored each of them in 2007, 2010,
      and for decades prior to that. You have a chat with your primary school maths teacher.
      I am not un-Australian, (see little fella, you’re doing it again), and I have a uniform in the spare wardrobe with a little bit of salad on it that wasn’t like your dress-up play-acting suit that Mummy bought you for Xmas, but a real uniform.
      I don’t promote lies, that is for naive young idol-worshippers without a mind of their own. You know what I mean, don’t you.
      Lastly I must pat your little back for one salient fact you were able to enunciate. Lies will destroy the ALP, or any other elected Government if they are repeated often enough to an audience gullible enough to swallow that sort of empty dialogue. Ask Dad, or Grandpa. They’ll tell you about other leaders, like Abbott, who chose that path to power.

    • Against the Man says:

      07:36pm | 09/10/11

      palone like Gillard you have proven to be an ultimate fail. Come on buddy call me names, give me the insults but just don’t tell me how well the ALP is doing (cause it would be a lie anyway).

      You are part of a minority in terms of support and in terms of government, you may not want to accept reality but that is ok. I’m happy having you guys around.

      The ALP is a failure and the fake PM is a failure even her own party members in Victoria have told her to quit the Malaysian No Solution and start acting like a grown up.

      Looks like your reply has back fired. I win again…....and again…............smile

      ps: Don’t forget your fellow party member CT?

    • Mary says:

      08:13pm | 08/10/11

      Bring on the next election!

    • Bob says:

      01:19am | 09/10/11

      @Mary   Sounds like you really enjoyed the last two!

    • Labor is Dead says:

      09:30pm | 08/10/11

      So I guess this means Gillard will be making more speeches about how bad and evil Tony Abbott is?

      Yep, Labor are screwed.

    • Neil says:

      12:37pm | 09/10/11

      I hope so, it just makes her look more and more out of control and a desperate idiot not a Prime Minister.
      Keep up your nasty rhetoric and tantrums about Abbott Julia, PLEASE!
      We’re all enjoyning your never ending circus, full of tactics and spin doctors.
      I hope the election isn’t too soon as I’m having fun watching her slow demise, and Kev chomping at her heels. lol

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      12:10pm | 09/10/11

      Steve Putnam, 20% GST? yes, that was suggested by a number of delegates. It was also suggested that in exchange the States abolish their punitive pay Roll Taxes (which inhibit employment) & Stamp Duties, this particularly on property sales - a tax which can add many,many 1000s to the cost of buying even a very modest home. The suggestion was put forward with thes provisos. One body, I think it was ACOSS but stand ready to be corrected, suggested that if this was done those on low or fixed incomes ( the unemployed, pensioners & the like) would get compensation.
      It is no secret that much of the BER money was rorted, the Death-dealing Pink Batts & Green Loans programmes were total, utter & very, very expensive disasters. Thanks to the rorts reputable companies which had quietly been going about their business of installing Home Insulation for years collapsed. This was solely due to the total lack of oversight of the Pink Batts Programme by the Federal ALP Government Minister ( P Garrett???).
      The Opposition has claimed that, (with the exception of WA National’s MP, Tony Crook - ostensibly a member of the Coalition Opposition but being mightliy wooed by Gillard & Co & one of the few MPs not to slavishly follow the Party Line,) Not a Single Invitation to the Tax Forum, a Forum we were told which was “open to Everyone, so that all could have their say” was sent to any Coalition MP.
      The Gillard Government has flatly denied this.
      Yet you have only to go to http://www.futuretax.gov.au , and check out the full details of those invited to this Forum. Other than Mr Crook not a single MP or Senator from the Opposition Benches was included.
      “Money spent has tobe paid for”.“Clever ideas about spending have tobe managed with clever ideas about where the money is coming from”
      Sounds like the sort of things a nasty Coalition MP or Leader might say, doesn’t it?
      It is, we would all agree, very true. We do have to pay the money back. Isn’t that the whole reason so many countries around the world are in such dire trouble? They have borrowed & borrowed & borrowed & now are finding it almost impossible to repay those borrowings. Our borrowings may, currently, be standing at a nice low 7% of GDP. But the debt is growing every day on what we have already borrowed & the government is proposing even more expenditures - the $300 million for the steel industry. Never mind that successive ALP & Coalition Governments stood idly by whilst practically all our other manufacturing industries went off-shore. Except for when Howard helped out his brother’s little textile factory with a few millions of Taxpayer’s money not one politician has stood up & demanded that Federal Governments over the last 30+ years do something to protect those industries &, more importantly, all those lost their jobs whilst profit-greedy managements gave those jobs to people in foreign countries where wages are very low or there are prison populations who work for nothing.

    • davo says:

      04:12pm | 10/10/11

      “It is no secret that much of the BER money was rorted”

      Link please?

    • julian thomas says:

      08:10pm | 09/10/11

      no sales tax, often lobbied by the “i have at least 3 investment properties”, now where is that youtube of debnam and fatty using a 9 propertied family as spokepeople for the abolishen of those taxes, mystery gone, it was a laugh on tv however

    • julian thomas says:

      08:30pm | 09/10/11

      would be great if Abbott was in power, only if to blame him for all the worlds shit

    • jf says:

      06:18pm | 10/10/11

      Sadly for you it seems that the only time Australia is in “the shit” Labor is in power.

      Must be a coincidence. Bad luck for you though.

    • wato says:

      10:22am | 10/10/11

      Economy Gillards strong point?  Are we not borrowing 10’s of millions per day as reported in the past.

 

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Friday dilemma: can school bullies grow out of it?

ClubsNSW is set to introduce a fresh new effort to combat schoolyard intimidation, insisting on a principal’s…

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choice ringside rantings

From: They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

Michael S says:

"A teacher at Geelong Grammar had criticised her for using words that were too long, which had left her confused and had made her doubt her ability to write essays. She became ''quite distressed'' when her English marks began to fall." I can sympathise. My scholastic mentors conveyed to me a causal relationship… [read more]

From: Welfare for breeders is a bonus for everyone

Change Up! says:

I have no problem paying my taxes. As a single, childless person on a very decent income, I can afford it and not have my life severely altered. Plus I understand that my taxes paying for things like schools, childcare and infrastructure is ultimately a good thing. A better community is better for me… [read more]

Gentle jabs to the ribs

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

A private school girl’s family is sueing her elite, extremely expensive private school for not… Read more

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