It should be possible to sell Julia Gillard’s climate change package to voters. Despite Tony Abbott’s alarmist claims, it can be portrayed as a good news story.

Take what Treasurer Wayne Swan has dubbed the “battlers’ buffer” - an undertaking that low-income families will be generously over-compensated.

The promise is that these people will be reimbursed in full for the extra costs they face under a carbon tax, and then get an extra 20 per cent on top of that. They will, in other words, be financially better off. The Prime Minister and the Treasurer told us a couple of weeks ago that around three million households would be in this category.

In fact, the news has got better since then. I can reveal that work done by Treasury in final preparations for Sunday’s big announcement shows that over a million more households will benefit from over-compensation via tax cuts and extra payments than was first thought.

More than four million families, Treasury now says - nearly half the households in Australia - will end up with more money in their pockets, not less.

As I said, it should be a saleable package. A Liberal MP told me yesterday: “If it was ours, and John Howard and Peter Costello were doing the selling, I’d feel pretty confident.” But he added: “I don’t think Julia Gillard has the competence to pull it off. And if she makes a mistake, there is no way back.”

That’s dead right. Gillard is in the Last Chance Saloon, and knows it.  If she can’t pull off the sales job she is finished.

For the next few weeks Gillard will be stumping the country in an all-out bid to convince Australians that the policy is right and the government is competent to implement it. She has told staff she does not want it to be a “soft”, stage-managed tour. There is no point preaching to the converted.

Gillard will face her critics at town hall meetings and on talkback radio. In the words of an adviser: “She intends to go into the lions’ den.” The Prime Minister’s determination is palpable. But more than determination will be needed if she is to turn the carbon tax into a political winner. 

And most Labor MPs are pessimistic. They look back over Gillard’s performance since she became PM and shake their heads.

A year ago today - just 15 days after she rolled Kevin Rudd - Gillard’s first big blunder was in the headlines.

Her plan for a processing centre in East Timor to stop boatloads of asylum seekers coming to Australia was unravelling rapidly, and she was being ridiculed for trying to pretend she had not really nominated East Timor in the first place.

A couple of weeks later there was more ridicule over her silly proposal for a 150-member Citizens’ Assembly to decide climate change policy.

It has been downhill since then, to the point where only her most rusted-on supporters have any faith that she won’t blow this issue as well.

According to one of Labor’s most level-headed MPs, there are two crucial questions hanging over tomorrow’s announcement.

“Are they listening to her any more?” he says. “And do they believe anything she says anyway?”  It is clear what he thinks the answers are.

Labor’s desperation was reflected in gossip about the leadership in Parliament House over the last few days. A small group of MPs from the party’s right was said to have discussed leadership options early in the week. It was claimed Bill Shorten had told colleagues he did not believe he would be ready to assume the role this side of the next election. 

Other names were allegedly canvassed. But if Gillard blows this issue, Labor’s fate at the next election will be sealed, whoever ends up as leader.

On the coalition side there is excited muttering about the possibility of Tasmanian Independent Andrew Wilkie withdrawing his support from the government and forcing an election.

Some Liberal MPs believe Abbott has assured Wilkie that, should be bring down the government, Liberal preferences will guarantee he holds his seat.

The origin of this rumour was a casual conversation between Wilkie and manager of opposition business in the House, Christopher Pyne,  about what the Independent would do if Labor changed leaders or failed to pass his anti-poker machine bill.

Wilkie said he hoped the Liberals would not set out to crucify him at the polls if he caused an election. The response, apparently, was that they would not.

But there is no deal. Wilkie still supports the Government, as he showed yesterday with his decision to vote for the carbon tax legislation. The coming battle will be a test of Abbott, too, of course. No-one doubts his attack dog talent, but there is concern among some coalition MPs about the “promise them anything” approach that goes with it.

“Tony’s making the Paul Keating error,” a Liberal said yesterday - referring to the way Keating won the 1993 election by attacking John Hewson’s proposed goods and services tax while promising big tax cuts of his own that turned out to be unaffordable.

Voters never forgave Keating. That’s the message his smarter colleagues want Abbott to keep in mind in the coming weeks.

Laurie Oakes is political editor for the Nine Network. His column appears every Saturday in News Ltd papers.

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    • Andy1 says:

      06:18am | 09/07/11

      Europe is struggling with their ETS (ABC news last night, comments from a European economist) and a US economist (Andrewe Liveris) has come out and warned Australia shouldn’t go down this path, it is ill timed and puts Australia at a disadvantage.
      We only hear Gillards pro carbonn tax rhetoric in the MSM and Abbott is just regarded as a scare campaigner by the media who is to be ignored.
      With Gillard and the Greens at the wheel I’m concerned.

    • ZSRenn says:

      09:30am | 09/07/11

      Andy1 Our Carbon Tax is a very different animal to an ETS but equally as futile and destructive.

      When Garnaut released his earlier reports I did some calculations that showed a $40/ metric tonne Carbon Tax would save 0.073% of Global emissions.

      Now we have this diluted package leaked stating that it will be only $23/ metric tonne and instead of being placed on 1000 polluters will only be placed on 500.

      Factor in the increased pollution from China India etc and the figure becomes so small my calculator keeps giving an error message. I will have to call it 0.

      So now we have no CO2 saved because of the Carbon Tax it is fair to take out the word Carbon out of the equation and call it what it really is.

      A Tax!

    • Joan says:

      09:39am | 09/07/11

      You bet we should be concerned, Gillard`s BER waste now up to $1.1 billion , the big building education rip off,  soon to be the Carbon Tax rip-off the Gillard way.

    • Adam Diver says:

      11:18am | 09/07/11

      @ZSRenn, a reduction in Co2 by Australia is still a reduction, even if China, India etc increase their emmissions.

      But thats the point, if Australia emits zero carbon, the increase by these nations will more than compensate. Effectively any action we take will still result in increased world emmissions, so the point is?

      ....“More than four million families, Treasury now says - nearly half the households in Australia - will end up with more money in their pockets, not less.”

      Like that is even possible, tax more and have half the population better off, whilst reducing consumption. I feel really sorry for the other half, who is having their standard of living slashed for the rest of us.

    • Gran Depine says:

      11:36am | 09/07/11

      I Agree Andy1. The Federal Government et al forgot to tell the Australian public that for every 1 job created by the Spanish version of their “Green conscious tax” 2.7 jobs were lost. No mention of the New Hampshire (USA) experiment which is a perfect test model when you compare of the Australian model to the other “Green conscious tax” participating countries in the world. The real time results and not predicted environmental meteorological results show that the New Hampshire local Government is decommissioning their carbon tax experiment and the Spanish model FAILED

      Which begs me to ask, what is the real motive of the carbon tax apart from using the money to make the ALP look solvent? Environment ? Lower temperature? Does the Government know that the carbon tax / ETS 3yrs down the track will fail and it will place Australia in greater debt?

      Why don’t we get the bankers like Goldman Sachs ready to advise us on how to bail us out of debt. The Federal ALP were advised by Goldman Sachs as to how to possibly fund the NBN with creative financial instruments. Heck why don’t we get advise as to how to manipulate the Australian bond market to get us out of the current $200 Billion debt. A debt accumulated by the ALP on behalf of the Australian tax payers.

      Wait a minute, this happen in Greece ( http://www.stopspeculators.gr) and Spain (A dozen Spanish Lawyers represented by Gonzalo Boye & Isabel Elbal, following to our lawsuit, charged with fraud Moody´s, Standard & Poor’s and Fitch, for directly manipulating Spanish Bonds Market, repeating exactly what they did in Greece, for their own and their customers’ benefit and, thereby undermining the interest of Spain through the increase of the Spanish government bonds spreads & interest rates). I guess we are MOVING FORWARD!

      I’m too smart for the ALP et al and bleeding hearts…let’s play their game and tell the inner circle bleeding hearts that it is a good old fashion Fed Tax disguised as an emotional blackmail. Global warming isn’t a comet heading for earth, I learnt of a word in primary school called adaptation and evolution…guess what? It can not be tax.

      In conclusion, the “Green conscious tax”  will be forgotten like the Y2K and the Ozone layer threat. Has anyone mentioned the OZONE layer geopolitics recently? Shame on them,  the policy may one day be forgotten, but the financial damage and scars caused by these huge mistakes will not heal or be forgotten so easily.

    • Nerryl says:

      07:55pm | 09/07/11

      Pull the other one Laurie, Julia couldn’t sell anything to her mother let alone to the bored public.

    • Robert Smissen of country SA says:

      12:21am | 10/07/11

      @Adam Driver just how will taxing a polluter stop them polluting? ? ? Just because you want something to happen, won’t make it happen. Can you explain the science to me on how it will happen. Planting trees WILL reduce carbon, any grade five will explain the science to you. Don’t call it a carbon tax, call it what it is, it is a wealth tax

    • Col. of Blackburn says:

      06:36am | 09/07/11

      The whole idea of a Carbon Di-Oxide Emissions Tax is to address the ‘Greatest Moral Challenge of our time’, by sending a price signal to facilitate the move from fossil based fuels to non fossil based fuels. If consumers are going to receive substantial compensation, where is there incentive to shift their spending habits. Also if the tax levied is going to go straight back to consumers, where is the money going to come from to fund R&D? Not forgetting that a proportion of the tax is already earmarked to be sent overseas to foreign governments.
      Despite what Gillard, Combet, Garnaut et al have stated the science is NOT settled. As time goes on and more and more of the alarmist promises don’t come to fruition, peolple willm question why they are being taxed in the first place!

    • Joan says:

      09:44am | 09/07/11

      The weather today makes up the climate tomorrow,  Gillard big carbon tax on everything will not change the weather next week or any week in the future. No taxes can change weather, full stop.  Taxes on everything shut down businesses, send jobs off shore and send people broke. That`s what taxes on everything do.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:19am | 09/07/11

      @Joan

      So are you a critic of Abbott’s tax payer funded “direct action” policy as well? How is Abbott’s policy not a tax on everthing as well?

      Looks like all parties are offering a tax on everything to me.

    • Ben81 says:

      01:17pm | 09/07/11

      The same way anything else you can think of in the budget that isn’t about revenue collection isn’t a “tax on everything” Blind Freddy.

    • WayneT says:

      03:13pm | 09/07/11

      Most if not all renewable projects in Europe are subsidised by Government (direct action) to the tune of between 50-130%.  Most of them would not happen if not for subsidies.  Power generators over there realised as do our own generators that it just isn’t financially viable to go with the current crop of ineffecient systems like wind and solar which you still need to have the same capacity in coal or gas fired stations as a stand-by supply for when the sun goes down and the wind dies off.  Taxing the ‘big’ polutters will simply have them pass on the tax.  Hence we have these ridiculous compensation sweetners from this government.  Meanwhile they trim the fat off and boost their budget bottom line.

    • Dissident says:

      03:59pm | 09/07/11

      I have been out of the country for the last 8 weeks, so I am a little out of the loop, but from what I have seen so far the proposed tax is poorly designed. Case in point is the over-compensation that you speak of, Col.

      I particularly like the price signal they are sending with public transport. Effective mass transit is clearly better environmentally - irrespective of whether we get caught up in the climate change debate.

      I take the train to work - I am not being self-rightheous, I just can’t stand the traffic! - but under this scheme the cost of my public transport will go up. The people who drive to work (and I see them every day, car after car with only a single passenger) are not only less environmentally efficient - but their trip will not attract the carbon tax.

      Again, whether you agree with the tax or not - any tax designed to benefit the environment should not penalise those who act in an environmentally responsible manner.

      PS. Correct me if I am wrong - maybe the PM has fixed this public transport blue in the meantime.

    • stockinbingal roo says:

      12:24am | 10/07/11

      Joan,  our local school got new toilets after 50 years, yet we’re in a very safe National/Liberal seat. We have the best small school (42) pupils in NSW, thanks to the BER, and NO thanks to the National/Liberal joint venture.

    • Gerard says:

      07:02am | 09/07/11

      Julia Gillard keeps harping on about compensation to make her carbon tax more popular with the electorate. But what about the big picture and the effect it will have on Australia and it’s economy.
      She is just playing popular politics, looking for a political fix for her personally at the detriment of our country.
      Alot of commentators and media want to switch the focus to Abbott and his direct action policy, but it’s Gillards policy that is about to be rolled out very soon. Her scheme deserves 100%  scrutiny now, not Abbotts. It’s Gillard in the drivers seat.
      This is what she doesn’t want anyone to hear or understand.
      http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2011/s3264996.htm

    • Ian says:

      11:14am | 09/07/11

      When Labor have a problem they always throw money at it.

    • The Badger says:

      11:59am | 09/07/11

      Thanks Gerard
      a prediction from a Murdoch paper that just oozes credibility and propriety whilst pursuing business interests through political mudslinging and outright lies.

      Well done
      Checked your messages lately?

    • Jane says:

      12:04pm | 09/07/11

      Gillards not listening to the economists or the electorate.

    • Enrico says:

      03:31pm | 09/07/11

      That’s right, Ian - Taxpayers money.

    • L. says:

      07:16am | 09/07/11

      “It should be possible to sell Julia Gillard’s climate change package to voters.”

      Possible to sell a tax that will not achieve it’s stated aim (address climate change)..??

      Australian voters are at least smart enough to figure out that if even Flannery says it will take a 1000 yrs to make the slightest dent in global temps, the concept is pointless.

    • Denny Crane says:

      07:30am | 09/07/11

      I’m tipping that she will not have the guts to face either Alan Jones or Andrew Bolt. Especially Bolt who will make her look silly and still be nice and polite. I wonder if she will start on the front foot like she did when she told us that she didnt lie before the election and that a carbon tax was always part of the labor campaign. If she does that she will lose.

      People are not as stupid as Gillard thinks. They know she’s a lier and she should know that they know, but sadly her opinion of voters especially labor voters is very low. She thinks that you are all idiots who need to be told what to do and how to do it. Condesending cow.

    • Tubesteak says:

      08:59am | 09/07/11

      It would be stupid to face AJ or AB as giving those cretins any oxygen is a sign of stupidity in, and of, itself.

      The problem with this government is they don’t know how to lead. They’ve allowed Abbott to set the agenda with his empty rhetoric and sloganeering.

      A leader does not allow others to set the agenda. Nor do they run around trying to put out every minor fire lit by others. A leader battles on to the main goal and does not stop or relent.

    • L. says:

      09:43am | 09/07/11

      “They’ve allowed Abbott to set the agenda with his empty rhetoric and sloganeering.”

      Haha.. yeah, unlike Labor’s “working families” and “moving forward”..

    • I think and I vote says:

      10:43am | 09/07/11

      Mot everyone who disagrees with you is a cretin. It so happens a sizeable portion of voters read their blogs. If you disagree fine, but debate the issues on merit not politics.  Science was perverted by religion centuries ago and now politics is doing the same.  There is big govt grants in following the party line and nothing for those that don’t.

    • WayneT says:

      10:55am | 09/07/11

      Shouldn’t she face AJ & AB and show them up by discrediting their point of view, wouldn’t this be the best way to silence the critics of Bob Brown’s and her scheme.  Or is that her position is so weak that it cannot be defended?
        The PM has allowed herself to be driven by the greens and the opposition leader because her position is indefensible.  Point in case is dropping the petrol component.  Do you think she would have done this if not for the pressure applied by Abbott?  Now she is down to just 500 largest polluters, how did that happen?
        No, a real leader listens to those around them and their back benchers (who supposedly have the ear of the people) not held to ransom by the Greens.

    • Tubesteak says:

      11:42am | 09/07/11

      L
      Just because one does it doesn’t mean the other doesn’t. A leader will stick to their guns.

      I think and I vote
      I am making an assessment of their merits. Those two have none. They are rabble-rousing cretins of the highest order.

      WayneT
      There is never any point arguing with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
      Gillard had to make a deal with the Greens and the Independents as that is the nature of representative democracy.

    • sooo funi says:

      07:30am | 09/07/11

      how does that work the more you give people as compensation the more you have to charge emitters the more they increase prices that compound the increased costs of their products its a cycle for huge increases in interest rates! go figure coz i cant unless you want to run increasing deficits

    • thatmosis says:

      07:40am | 09/07/11

      Weve had Jooliars promises before, like there willl be no carbon tax under a government I lead so what makes tis promise any different. The Government cannot know what the extra cost that will be incurred by the public as power, water, transport and everything that uses transport goes up and up. This is a false promise by a Government that thrives on false and misleading promises and they cant be trusted. Give it 6 months and pensioners and the lower paid will be behind the 8 ball once again as the promises that were given fall far short of reality.

    • The Galah from Hervey Bay says:

      06:04pm | 09/07/11

      thatmosis…..Right on !  Just do the math on compensation to pensioners ( $210 per annum ) amounts to 57 cents per day. The media has presented that insult as a windfall for pensioners.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:38pm | 09/07/11

      .........$0.57 a day huh? Well the gun is in position should be fun to watch Gilltard pull the trigger on the ALP tomorrow smile

    • Mouse says:

      09:47pm | 09/07/11

      ....and didn’t Treasury say that the carbon tax will only cost an extra $10 per week? Maybe my calculator is broken, but I reckon that works out to $520/year.  Pensioners are going to get $210?  Well, they must be happy about that then!
      Good to see that none of the details will be released until tomorrow and even though the price hasn’t been “set” yet, Treasury can still tell us exactly how much it will cost us. Geez they’re good!

    • Amused says:

      07:45am | 09/07/11

      Gillard is gone, the only question is when.

    • Slightly more amused says:

      12:06pm | 09/07/11

      Over two years at the earliest.
      More likely 6 or 7
      enjoy the inbetweentime.

    • The Galah from Hervey Bay says:

      07:41pm | 09/07/11

      S.M.A…...i wouldn’t count on any more than two months at a time if i were you . One of the worst P.M. ‘s in this nation’s history….second only to Whitlam , Gillard hangs by her teeth - a precarious hold indeed.

    • ZSRenn says:

      09:21am | 09/07/11

      ATM why are you allowing yourself to be distracted by this clown?

      I enjoy reading your comments when they are on subject and you make good points.

      However Seano or who ever he is this week has taken you right off track and you are diluting down your commentary power.

    • Convicted felon says:

      12:04pm | 09/07/11

      Interesting Renny
      Jumping to the defence of the intellectually handicapped
      sockpuppet much atm?
      atm has nothing to offer but nonsense.

    • nossy says:

      12:09pm | 09/07/11

      @Against the Man   heh heh - I love this battle between you and Seano ATM - top stuff fella!

    • Seano says:

      01:44pm | 09/07/11

      I’m sure you think accusing others of using your own cowardly trolling tactics is a brilliant strategy. It’s not.

      Any sane, sensible, decent person (who cares, let’s face it most couldnt give a toss) can see:

      1. Your insane personal attacks backed up with sock puppets is not debate.
      2. There are trolls on both sides but you are one of the worst and certainly the loopiest.
      3. Your obsession with me is not only sad but borderline psychotic.
      4. Your ranting rhetoric and name calling does little to damage the ALP and less to support the LNP.

      You were supposed to be ignoring me, I’m certainly happy to ignore you as you have nothing worthwhile to say. So much for you being the better man.

      Seek Help!

    • The Hour Glass says:

      02:46pm | 09/07/11

      ATM & Seano remind me of Days of Our Lives. You don’t watch it for ages and when you do it’s the same old shit. Melodramatic and depressive. For the sake of everyone who unfortunately crosses this drivel, STOP IT!!!

    • Seano says:

      04:06pm | 09/07/11

      @AtM - I know you’re deperate for a debate…well what passes for a debate in your mania. But I’m not interested….the first sign of trouble you’re only going to attack with sock puppets and name calling…“fat” is a good one.

      Really dude….

      Seek Help!

    • Dave says:

      05:41pm | 09/07/11

      @ Seano - enough of the ‘sock puppets’ claim you drag out in every post. It’s really been done to death and only proves that you have run out of ideas. Any chance you can say something original?

      Seek thesaurus!

    • Seano says:

      06:55pm | 09/07/11

      @Dave

      Go back and and read the original post. Any comments on AtM’s trolling!

      BTW why would I waste original material on a troll? Besides he’s obviously sick and really does need to…

      Seek Help!

    • Dave says:

      07:13pm | 09/07/11

      @Seano - the biggest troll on this site is you.

      Seek originality!

    • Against the Man says:

      07:35pm | 09/07/11

      I ‘ve looked at all the different polls and comments in many, many articles involving the carbon tax and even this article….........and the people against it in a big way are clearly the majority. Doesn’t seem like the majority of this country is going to buy this carbon tax BS in any form. ATM is very happy….......

    • Seano says:

      08:36pm | 09/07/11

      @dave - yeah because responding to attack being attacked makes me the bad guy.

      Seek Credibility!

      @AtM -  Not interested in debating a troll!

      Seek Help!

    • Dave says:

      08:58pm | 09/07/11

      @Seano - your comments are about as intelligent as your deluded belief that rugby is more popular than AFL.

      Seek intelligence!

    • Seano says:

      10:48pm | 09/07/11

      @Dave - Oh you’re that one. Another one who gets personal when losing the debate, then bursts into tears when the fire is returned.

      Keep defending trolls, seems about your speed

      Seek Credibility!

    • Dave says:

      11:27pm | 09/07/11

      @Seano - you’ve never even been a part of the debate. You’re just a troll with no imagination and nothing to add.

      Seek credibility!

    • Seano says:

      12:22am | 10/07/11

      @Dave

      1. What debate? AtM’s original post is a troll. He’s not interested in debate or he’d leave me out of it.

      2.You support trolling out of personal malice and a childish need to have a go. Which says volumes about you.

      3. If I have no imagination why are you stealing my lines?

      4. If I have nothing to add why are you trolls so desperate for my attention? Surely if I had nothing to add you geniuses would ignore me and I’d sure as hell would ignore you.

      Seek Credibility!

    • Damian Parkhill says:

      04:42am | 10/07/11

      @Dave If nothing else I’ll back up Seano’s claim that Atm sockpuppets - been happening for a while and its rather obvious.

      Also guys stop feeding the troll, maybe its time someone spoke to the Punches moderators and see if he can’t be banned.

    • c.conserv. says:

      06:51pm | 10/07/11

      @ mysterious Damian Parkhill,  Exactly which ‘troll’ do you want banned?

      I say No Ban.  It’s a mild distraction from all the windbags.

      Have AtM ahead, at present

    • Seano says:

      10:22pm | 10/07/11

      You can beat a good player, you can’t beat a good scorer.

    • LeftRightOut says:

      07:52am | 09/07/11

      Just as voters never forgave Keating - they won’t forgive Gillard. Her lie was even bigger, bolder and more difficult to disguise than was Keating’s… she has destroyed Labor with her amateurish [lack of] political skills.
      Even with the softest possible run in the media, the good will from any women alive, being of the left (again, media darling), and having a honeymoon period… she’s still managed to make Labor more unpopular than it’s ever been.

      Of course no-one is listening, and those who are, are watching lies roll of her tongue in real time, and they’re concious of it.

      Labor (and their media friends, ie: Oaks et al) can continue the “Dr No” line regarding Abbott, but every person on the street is negative when referring to this government.

      Anyone who can look at this policy, and think it’s good that all these people will be “20% better off” - is either
      a) A socialist who thinks redistribution of wealth will work all of a sudden, like it has never done, anywhere, ever…
      b) So rusted on as a Labor supporter, that they cannot see the wood for the trees;
      c) Stupid enough to think that these same people will be better off in 3, 5, 10 years time…
      or d) all of the above.

    • PTom says:

      02:11pm | 09/07/11

      Yet you seem to forgive Howard childern overboard lie, say alot about you.

    • Lisa H. says:

      03:06pm | 09/07/11

      children overboard… still coming up after all these years… the blaming and buck-passing from Labor just keep coming

    • LeftRightOut says:

      04:00pm | 09/07/11

      err, PTom… who mentioned “children overboard”? What are you smoking, son?
      Are things really hat bad for you and your side? How about reading what I wrote, and responding to that, not something you wished I had written?

      Bizarre!

    • Joan says:

      07:56am | 09/07/11

      Gee whiz,  Laurie Oakes and jounrnos fall for the big Labor `Nigerian` type scam, the Labor Carbon Tax scam, Australians to be better off as backstabber Gillard pushes her `No Carbon Tax`  that means   Yes Carbon Tax through, handing out billions to buy-off Ozies the way she bought off indepedents. Australians will not forgive or forget Gillards blattant lie, no matter how many dollars she throws at them to buy them off. Gillard is not the peoples PM, she is the independents PM , she is the puppet PM dancing to Browns tune. Message to Gillard - what we really want to hear , tomorrow is an election date not more carbon tax crap, a tax that will not change the weather , tomorrow, the next day or any day in the future.

    • No 1 Rosie says:

      10:58am | 09/07/11

      Joan you have said it in a nutshell.

      The article was good but one can tell that the author must be hurting to see and then write the achievements of our first female PM. On Gillard’s report card it would state very very poor so therefore she doesn’t qualify to implement a huge economic reform like a carbon tax that will affect the nation and its people in any and every which way.

      The article was good but for the bit about the ‘battler’s buffer.’ It sounds very condescending and I don’t think it is a good idea to use such terms at the moment when Gillard is trying desperately to win votes.
      Low income earners are compensated ‘battler’s buffer’ a lot of them live in NSW but turned against the Labor Govt in droves. They don’t need patronizing, they have become sophisticated and know they won’t get anyway by relying always on ridiculous Govt handouts.

      Pensioners are the only ones that deserve to be given what we as a nation owe them to make their lives worth their past efforts and contributions to this great land of ours. It should be given with great pride and sincerity. I hate it when Govts use pensioners as a political tool.

      “It has been downhill since then, to the point where only her most rusted-on supporters have any faith that she won’t blow this issue as well.”

      ‘Most rusted-on supporters’ I thought Oakes was one of them, or was it he favoured Rudd??????

      It was also a good article but Oakes couldn’t help himself but to add a bit about the surprisingly so called tactics of what the majority is hoping will become our next PM.

      Tony Abbott should be left out when debating Gillard’s poor achievements because he would be stupid not to learn from other’s past mistakes. Tony Abbott is an experienced politician and was part of a Govt that lasted for nearly 12 years. That is a great achievement on its own.

      If he becomes PM it will not be controversial like Gillard. He wouldn’t be bound to the Greens and people like Wilkie/Oakeshott/Windsor. He will be a statesman in his own right. My advice to him; “make it happen through an Election and not by the Independents swapping sides.”

      Oakes should leave what how and when he becomes PM to the people. Allow us to work it and judge for ourselves. At the moment it is about the PM that has lost all credibility but still has the support of Wilkie/Oakeshott/Windsor all too gutless to put the nation and its people before their selfish needs.

      Laurie Oakes and the media should be trying to make the transition process a lot quicker because it is the best thing for the nation and its people. The quicker it happens the quicker we will know of Tony Abbott’s intentions, the party’s costings, policies etc etc!

      While this NOnothing Gillard Labor Minority Govt is wasting our money selling the rotten ill devised carbon tax smart people are on the campaign trail of having this Govt replaced asap. It is the right thing for the nation and not difficult to do!

    • Gregg says:

      08:10am | 09/07/11

      ” “Are they listening to her any more?” he says. “And do they believe anything she says anyway?”  It is clear what he thinks the answers are. “

      In a nutshell and more so with the talk about how disrspect for the office of PM is being shown by some with criticism of Gillard, she has completely disgraced the title of PM herself with Lies.

      The view of her incompetence and behaviour in personal attacks and attempts to laugh off that which she cannot find an answer for is what is palpable amongst the public.

      If there is one icon that is in the public mind, it is of a Pinnochio’s nose that appears to be getting longer by the day, even if prompted by Caroonist’s work.

    • Bris Jack says:

      08:27am | 09/07/11

      This goverment has trashed any so called good will with lies and incompetence, OK if she was trying to sell a second hand car.
      I will watch with interest the ratings on her TV appearance on Sunday.
      Like many others I talk with,  I have stopped watching and listening and taken to praying.
      She must have something to hock if she is going on talkback, I hope they refuse her requests.
      Overseas countries are beginning to speak out against the tax, it’s modeling and the timing.

    • John A Neve says:

      08:34am | 09/07/11

      What are we really trying to achieve with this proposed tax?
      Is our climate changing? Yes
      Is mankind contributing to the change? Yes, I think so.
      Does climate change impact on our environment? Yes
      Is environment degradation primarily caused by mankind? Yes.

      Do we care? Based on this debate, not one iota.
      The view of both sides of politics suggest whatever we do, if we do anything at all. Will cost the people, so why waste time, we’ll pay in the end.

    • ZSRenn says:

      09:43am | 09/07/11

      A good question John A

      Another question which you should ask is

      Will this new diluted Julia package save any CO2 emissions? No!

    • BobM says:

      10:15am | 09/07/11

      When the US, China and India actually step up and DO something about their pollution levels, then Australians might be more inclined to go along with Juliar’s new tax. Until then, we are just sadly watching and waiting for the rorts, mishandling and incompetence that has been the hallmark of her government.

    • I think and I vote says:

      10:51am | 09/07/11

      John I remember scaremongering about the big ice age and was repeatedly told at school I would be blown up in a nuclear war. We are all still here Ever wondered why the world set to work so quickly for CFCs to stop the ozone layer hole but not this?  Tells you something if you look at it. I suggest you read first hand historical accounts of climate from a few centuries ago.  Also check the climate indicators from before the great ice age.  It points to an ever changing climate.

    • Jotun says:

      12:54pm | 09/07/11

      John, please do some research into the actual effects of our current rate of warming, and you will see that the margins of error in the vast majority of the studies due to accepted uncertainties in measurement, will show that the IPCC’s claims are on the extreme side of the scientific evidence. Therefore the actual resulting change will most likely be less than the figures we hear bandied about in politics sourced from the IPCC and CSIRO et al.

      This tax will not change the behaviour of large emitters in this nation, and the cost of implementing social engineering attempts will most likely be more expensive than adapting to changing climate or purely concentrating on transitioning to a renewable-energy reliant economy, as we know electricity and transport are big emitters. The challenge then would be to find the technology that can provide base load power at an affordable price without government subsidisation.

      On that point, with the tax to affect electricity producers, that means the Feds are effectively taxing State Governments, aren’t they?

    • nossy says:

      08:52am | 09/07/11

      Well said Laurie - the Last Chance Saloon indeed. She had her last chance with me this week when she “pruned” the 1000 biggest polluters to 500 - yes 500 went with the stroke of a pen. And of course as we also now know petrol is not to be affected by the Carbon Tax. Good grief - this Carbon Tax has not only been pruned its been gutted and filleted ! I doubt very much it will have any effect on the environment. China for instance I read is expected to emit a whopping 10.1 billion tonnes of greenhouse gases by 2020 up from 5.4 billion in 2005. China ,India, Brazil, Russia the big emitters have no plans to move to a tax or carbon trade. So what will Gillards gutted Carbon Tax do - jackshit! She might as well order her last drinks and mosy on down the trail and disappear into the dust as far as I am concerned. Slow clapping.

    • Joan says:

      09:57am | 09/07/11

      Wow, I`m with you on this one nossy! Anyone can spot that this Carbon Tax is a super costly dud, going nowhere, but sending more jobs off-shore.

    • RJB says:

      10:00am | 09/07/11

      Sorry mate but this non de plume is already being used by a leftie up Queensland way whose views are diametrically opposed to those you’ve expressed.

    • Mark Bernry says:

      10:30am | 09/07/11

      Well said Nossy!  Send her back to Wales on a leaky boat (Sorry Wales)

    • jb says:

      11:09am | 09/07/11

      Crusty I agree with everything you said, let me tell you a little story, this tax compensation stinks of an insurance policy I signed up to a few years back with Suncorp. They gave me an awesome rate with flood insurance that was just too good to not take up. The following year the premium went up over 50%.
      Nossy this carbon compensation crap spewing from the PM’s mouth stinks of just a scam. You wait to see how many are still getting compensation after the next election.
      Oh and not sure if you remember, but a few weeks back I said any money Gillard gives the pensioners some up front cash to try and get them onside like the $900 handout.
      Viola and here we have it…
      I just can’t believe her anymore even when she is giving stuff away for free.
      If it looks like shit and smells like shit chances are it is shit…

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:28am | 09/07/11

      I don’t think that it is Nossy- where is the madatory hahahahahaha?

    • nossy says:

      12:04pm | 09/07/11

      @RJB , Bllind Freddy,jb, Joan, Mark - yes it is I. Not being a Party member I think for myself and once someone trys to sell me a dud they are history. Sympathy there jb with Suncorp ! I really cant see Gillard recovering from this one and also Turnbull will now be history as well. Blind Freddy I am still laughing hahahhaahha but now at Gillard!

    • Joan says:

      12:06pm | 09/07/11

      Blind Freddy and RJB - the real nossy would never come up with a coherent logical piece such as this one. Real nossy stuff usually jackshit . Slow clapping…  yeah Juliar I hope your listening

    • nihonin says:

      12:17pm | 09/07/11

      I reckon it could be ‘nossy’, remember he was all gung-ho for the package in the original form, but Julia has once again welded a knife and used it.  I believe some people who were willing to support her and the Tax she proposed, decided she is not up to scratch, commitment wise to them.  As for the hahahaha missing, what has nossy got to laugh about, she may have just ‘slapped’ him the face.

    • nossy says:

      12:51pm | 09/07/11

      @Joan - Punch have our email addresses Joan. Say when are we going to see you up here on the Gold Coast in your bikini ? QLD - beautiful one day - perfect the next!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm4eCGxfv4Q

    • C1 says:

      01:59pm | 09/07/11

      There are only two states to be in- Queensland and pissed.

      From a former Rocky boy.

    • jb says:

      02:17pm | 09/07/11

      On the 6th day God created Nikon and on the 7th day he created Queensland so he would have something to photograph…

    • No 1 Rosie says:

      04:08pm | 09/07/11

      OMG it is the real Nosthow, my friend, I always knew I was a good judgement of decent principled human beings.

      Thank you Nosthow, am impressed and extremely proud of you. You are a good Australian! A real champ!

      I watched Graham Richardson interview Tony Abbott and at the end Richo said that even after the positives he had heard, he probably would not change over to vote for the Libs. Tony Abbott’s reply was that he would have to up his fight to lure over people like Richo and it was something he was looking forward to doing.

      I can understand why Richo a past Labor stalwart politician would never vote Liberal but can’t understand what other proof is needed for people to make Gillard Labor realize that enough is enough and the time has come to bring on the Elections.

      What you have done dear Nosthow is what most of us have been trying to make you realize. Kudos to you for getting yourself out of those that remain deluded.

      Enjoy the rest of the weekend my dear friend and look forward to being on the same side, making the next Govt and PM accountable. We all deserve a good Australia!

    • nossy says:

      05:21pm | 09/07/11

      @No 1 Rosie - thanks Rosie - am a very patient man but enoughs enough. Wise words there from you as usual. Should be top viewing tomorrow on ABC24 at 11am - get your popcorn ready and try not to laugh too much Rosie!  hahahahah

    • ZSRenn says:

      08:54am | 09/07/11

      Laurie you lost me and I suspect many readers at these two words “The promise”

      Australians no longer believe not so much in Julia making a promise but that she is such a bad Prime Minister and such a poor manager of the Australian economy she will do something stupid that will cost more than expected and she will not be able to keep the promise.

    • Kass says:

      08:56am | 09/07/11

      I am not necessarily opposed to “pricing carbon”. However, I’m implacably opposed to an irreversible economic transformation being foisted on our nation by the policy imbeciles of the Labor Party and the rent seekers of the “multi-party climate committee”. Honestly, does anyone really believe that a committee relying on the brain power of politicians like Wayne Swan and Rob Oakeshott can possibly produce anything other than a dog’s breakfast?
      As to whether Ms Gillard can sell it, I really don’t think so. I think too many people have stooped listening to her and I can’t see her turning that around.

    • LeftRightOut says:

      09:24am | 09/07/11

      Great post, Kass… When you put it like that…

    • BobM says:

      11:45am | 09/07/11

      I won’t be watching her on Sunday evening. I have something far more important to attend to. My cat’s litter box needs cleaning.

      I’m sure the members of the MSM and ABC ‘journalists’ will let us know in glowing terms how much better off we will all be under Juliar’s TAX.

    • MarK says:

      01:07pm | 09/07/11

      Oh I will be watching on Bob.

      With morbid fascination.

      never seen a suicide on live TV before. I have popcorn all lined up.

    • BobM says:

      01:36pm | 09/07/11

      @MarK, the ONLY way I could watch her is with the sound OFF.  Nooooooooooo…........even then, I just can’t do it.  I would rather EAT the cat litter, than listen/watch the Drone Queen.

    • jo says:

      09:10am | 09/07/11

      Hello Laurie,  you put many journalist to shame,  out shinning them in intelligence and insight,  What made me stop listening to Julia Gillard, was the undemocratic sacking of an elected goverment by the people, KEVIN RUDD, The reason I voted greens last two times, even thou I have been a Labor supporter all my life.
      I am against the malaysian asylum policy,  Also why can’t   this gov do something about climate change, without taxing us already struggling australians. They get enough of my taxes as it is.  I wont’ be watching Julia s
      carbon speech on sunday,  I resent her ramming this carbon tax down my throat,  this carbon tax should have been taken to a vote.

    • QuestionAsked says:

      04:02pm | 09/07/11

      Typical grammatical skills of a green voter?

      Question had to be asked…

    • John Galea says:

      09:14am | 09/07/11

      All of the information given here supposes factual correctness and honesty to follow through. Seeing how being able to lie convincingly while looking people in the eye or under oath is the foundation stone for dishonesty in all its forms, and that all this began with the lie at the last election. Is it not reasonable to assume that nothing we are told is true?

    • Gran Depine says:

      09:14am | 09/07/11

      “Tony’s making the Paul Keating error,” a Liberal said yesterday - referring to the way Keating won the 1993 election by attacking John Hewson’s proposed goods and services tax while promising big tax cuts of his own that turned out to be unaffordable

      No no no Comarade El Presidente PM Gillard, Treasurer Wayne “Always the bridesmaid, never the bride” Swan and the remaining Museli chewing hemp sandal wearing Agenda 21 sycophant Socialist sleepers have to remember Bob Hawke and Paul Keatings famous tax backflips:

      1. Stop the negative gearing tax…18months later, Start the negative gearing. It was a great idea at the time, not. Take from the rich and give to the…give to the..give to the…shit all the poor are applying for Government housing and we are now insolvent.

      2. Quote from Paul Keating “It is the Recession we have to have” End Quote Geeeeez what a cluster F that turned out to be. Interest rates hit the roof, tax reforms were on a road to nowhere and that recovery went on and on like a broken record. Post Prime Minstership Paul Keating followed all the other ego driven ex-policital VIPs on one of those lecture tours and melancholic ally sang his arse off on that famous topic, “How great the past seems today”. But wait, did he show any crumbs from the humble pie he was eating? Yes he admitted at a University lecture at UNSW that his “Recession we had to have ” was wrong. 

      I therefore conclude, that the ALP/Greens/Independents are doing a huge Paul Keating Bob Hawke error. Abbott plan is brilliant..keep giving them rope.To further exacerbate the Federal Government’s error….hahahha…I nearly choked laughing on my toast…Comrade El Presidente Gillard et al are now drafting their “Mining Royalties” / Mining Rent Tax Error”. Shall I go on?

      I really don’t give a rats arse about past pollies. They should all continue their march to the political elephant grave yard in the west and like all ex-girlfriend phone numbers and 5 year old tax returns, be burned on a Viking grave ship.

    • Charles says:

      09:21am | 09/07/11

      Trying to reduce average Australia to a mendicant society by utilising a carbon dioxide tax merry-go-round will not escape the notice of even the dullest punters.  That the media class seems to think this is actually a good thing, which shows you have been spending too much time with the ALP and Greens in Canberra and not enough in the real world.

      All round Australia baseball bats are being polished in preparation for the next election.

    • Dr B S Goh says:

      09:22am | 09/07/11

      The PM Gillard needs to realize that she and the ALP are heading for a massive political suicide at the next election. By then a greater portion of the public will wake up to the realities of the carbon tax. It achieves no measurable impact on global warming. It harms Australia and distorts our Economy and our tax system.

      The way forward is for the PM to call a Referendum now. Let the public now tell the Greens to get lost of the carbon tax now. The PM needs to clear the deck of this useless but harmful carbon tax. It is better for the public to decide this issue and blame it on the Greens than for the public to banish the ALP, a great political party in the past, to the Wilderness in the next election.

      If the PM is stubborn on the carbon tax the ALP MPs must remove her as leader. Otherwise many of them better plan a new career after the next election.

      We need to wake up to the fact that the panic over the nasty effects of global warming to Australia is generated by a Cult with leaders in the Greens and in ALP. It is no different to the madness in the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution which gripped and destroyed China for more than ten years. In ten years time hopefully we wake to reality and realize that Govt policies like the carbon tax had no measurable impact on global warming but sadly it will harm Australia.

      I am an environmental scientist and I believe in the nasty effects of global warming but we need to keep our cool and map out actions which have real impact on global warming. Global warming is a global problem and it is not an Australian problem per se. At this point in time it is more cost effective to do things with our Asian trading partners to achieve REAL IMPACT on global warming. Start immediately with the WIN-WIN strategy of lifting our embargo on uranium sale to India. India gets 2.5% of its electricity from Nuclear Energy and 70% from coal. India has little coal and wants to increase its electricity from Nuclear Energy by more than TENFOLD. France gets 80% of its electricity from Nuclear Energy so it can be a safe source of electricity.

      Great parts of South East Asia are shrouded in a haze caused by burning in Indonesia. We need to work with our neighbours to reduce this annual burning. I traveled about one thousand kilometers recently in a big Asian country. Again the countryside was in a haze caused by farmers burning.

      Up in the mountains in the Himalayas I note that some of the houses have solar heaters. The people in such region burn a lot of wood for cooking and heating. Solar heaters and solar panels for electricity generation cost about 10% of their costs in Australia. So it is more effective for us Australians to pay for them to be installed in these places. Instead we have been sold hocus pocus Economics which will benefit the rich and powerful in Asia. People like Gore have benefited personally and greatly from CO2 trading.

    • The Badger says:

      09:22am | 09/07/11

      More squealing this morning from the conservative piggies.
      Nobody’s seen the policy and the deniers and alarmists are running around in ever decreasing circles flapping their arms like good chicken littles crying “the sky is falling, the sky is falling”.
      The new new paradigm has the numbers and the will of the people will be done.
      carry on, this is most entertaining.

    • jf says:

      11:34am | 09/07/11

      No mate, it’s Flannery’s Fools running around cvrying “the sky is falling; a tax will fix it”.

      Badger, I agree that the climate is changing, I agree in user pays when it comes to the environment, I agree that mankind may be (probably is) partially responsbible for climate change.

      However I can’t be sure of the latter because the global climate has changed dramatically throughout millenium. Even within the last 500 years (a blink of an eye in relative terms) the climate appears to have changed dramatically. In fact, the evidence from the climate scientists suggest that there was greater change between the middle ages and the start of the industrial revolution than there has been since the industrial revolution and now. This would suggest that mankind’s impact is relatively small.

      However, you are unlikely to change your view on that evidence any more than a middle ages monk would accept that the black plague was spread due to God’s wrath: the monk had “scientific evidence” from Oxford after all.

      However, that’s not the issue with this tax. The issue with this tax is that it will not achieve a single thing. It excludes carbon for fark’s sake. It remimburses those people whose behaviour it is supposed to be changing.

      If you sincerely believe in AGW you should be at the front of the queue opposing this tax the same way a doctor would be stopping a frantic mum putting butter on a third degree burn.

    • nossy says:

      12:15pm | 09/07/11

      @jf   “putting butter on a third degree burn” - magic line jf and 100% correct!

    • Ben81 says:

      01:23pm | 09/07/11

      Badger’s latest argument - “you’re a squealing piggy”, “this is entertaining”
      Really mate, just give it up.  It’s getting sad.

    • jb says:

      01:41pm | 09/07/11

      Bagger, i’m pretty sure the only ones running around yelling “the sky is falling, the sky is falling” is those that want the tax. The other side of this argument is pretty happy to wait until things world wide are a little more financially secure.
      At the moment the Gillard government is pretty much the Bogan that won Lotto and is doing everything they can to blow the money as quick as they can.
      Matey Boy, Gillard Mugged Rudd, she Mugged Australia and she sure as hell is Mugging you if you believe any of the spittle thats being directed your way…

    • Joel B1 says:

      04:48pm | 09/07/11

      Oh dear, the Washington Times comes out of the warmist closet and says it hasn’t warmed since 1998.

      But you know the warmists like Gillard will take the credit for it…

    • Malleeringneck says:

      09:29am | 09/07/11

      Not only will we have a cost of a carbon tax then there will be the administration cost.
      First they have to collect the money.
      Then hand it back to not only the taxpayer from whom it was collected in the first place but also the coal industry who they want to hurt.
      And whats left over they can then waste.
      Then w

    • Martin Hopes says:

      09:35am | 09/07/11

      “Bill Shorten had told colleagues he did not believe he would be ready to assume the role this side of the next election” - LOL. Unless Labor fortunes change dramatically over the next two years, who in their right mind would want to lead the ALP to the next election? They would be a dead man walking!

      As for Andrew Wilkie, he’s a shrewd politician who has Gillard by the proverbial short and curly’s, she has no other option than to back his pokies reform, otherwise he could threaten to bring her government down, whether he would or not is another thing entirely as he’s also smart enough to know that it doesn’t matter what the Liberals say or offer him, it’s not like the Liberals would preference the ALP or The Greens ahead of him, if the current polls are a reflection of the next election outcome then Wilkie’s seat would be totally irrelevant anyway, the LNP would win enough seats to govern regardless of the result in Wilkie’s seat of Denison, I imagine that the same would also apply to the seats of Messrs Windsor and Oakeshott.

      There’s absolutely no doubt about it, unless the ALP can sell their Carbon policy and improve their standing in the minds of the voters then they’re most definitely dead in the water.

    • Stuart@bbt.com.au says:

      09:51am | 09/07/11

      Gillard will try to buy some of the doubters with her cash giveaway to get her carbon tax excepted,but Australians arn’t that stupid.We have witnessed labors deceit before,we don’t trust them, nor will we ever.People that lie to us can never regain our trust and a handfull of cash won’t buy us off.

    • Ripa says:

      09:53am | 09/07/11

      Oh Laurie you sell out,
      “Despite Tony Abbott’s alarmist claims”
      Its not TA making the alarmist claims its the pro AGW morons who have made ridiculous claims about the consequenses of not pricing carbon. The goal posts have been moved again, its no longer a debate on saving the planet its become a discussion on compensation.

    • Ren says:

      10:30am | 09/07/11

      I double dare you to get into a Q&A with me Julia.

    • Stimpy says:

      11:32am | 09/07/11

      let’s just do rock paper and scissors
      It’s probably the pinnacle of your powers of concentration.
      Double dare you.

    • Donny says:

      10:34am | 09/07/11

      A country that currently relies on exporting coal and iron ore preposing a carbon dioxide tax…  Unbelievable hypocracy.

    • MarK says:

      10:34am | 09/07/11

      Sigh.

      All about “selling” a tax.

      If the tax has a justifiable and sensible purpose at its core selling it should be last thing that is an issue.

      It just goes to show it is merely a desperate ploy of a desperate woman totally out of her depth and led by a green nut-job and it will do not one thing for the environment, temperature or gross reductions in a “pollution” that is not a pollutant.

      What we have is a lightweight treasurer and a skilled challenged PM attempting to save their political skin by using the wealth transfer “benefits” to sell the tax.

      It is laughable.

    • WayneT says:

      10:44am | 09/07/11

      On Sunday I would hope that you Laurie and your fellow journalists (I use that term loosely), will ask some basic questions and get some answers, but I won’t hold my breath;

      1.  By taxing carbon dioxide, to what specific temperature will the world’s temperature be reduced?
      2.  How much money will be absorbed in bureaucratic churn or what the Governments cut will be for their bottom line?
      3.  What they will do to tackle the other 97% of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere produced by nature?
      4.  Show the basis for calling carbon dioxide or carbon a pollutant when nature produces a majority of it.
      5.  Why they encourage burning Australian natural gas and coal exports overseas yet claim that burning the same natural gas and coal here will supposedly be catastrophic and needs to be taxed?
      6.  Why is the government’s imposed ‘price of carbon’ open-ended? What mechanism prevents future governments from arbitrarily raising tax rates or prices?
      7.  Why does government say it will compensate households when in her own introduction to breaking her promise the prime minister said it is designed to cause pain because pain changes people’s behaviour?
      8.  How will this government run the largest and most complex bureaucratic wealth re-distribution scheme ever devised? How will it manage that combined with complex multi-energy regulation?  When the government couldn’t run a grocery price website or insulate homes.
      9.  How can taking money from one person to give to another person change climate?
      10.  Before the election the ALP pushed a carbon dioxide ‘trading’ scheme, saying a tax was NOT the way. The PM promised NO carbon dioxide tax. Now she wants BOTH a carbon dioxide tax AND a carbon dioxide ‘trading’ scheme—why?

      Julia Gillard, PM, August 2010, pre-election: “there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”

      Wayne Swan, Treasurer, August, 2010, pre-election: “What we rejected is this hysterical allegation that somehow we are moving towards a carbon tax”

      Senator Penny Wong, previous Climate Change minister, April, 2010 when promoting a ‘trading’ scheme: “A carbon tax is a less efficient way in the Australian government’s view of dealing with this issue”, and: “You know that you can’t have any environmental certainty with a carbon tax”

      Martin Ferguson, Resources minister, said in 2007 that a carbon tax of $30 on local airline flights would: “kill the Australian aviation industry both domestically and internationally”

    • Adam Diver says:

      11:21am | 09/07/11

      Very nice post, journalism levels and political cowardice are at depressing levels these days.

      Thats last 4 quotes are great smile

    • Gran Depine says:

      01:52pm | 09/07/11

      @ Wayne T Gran gives Wayne a hug and a kiss. Excellent questions. Tell them Wayne! Ask Laurie “Selective Memory” Oakes the same questions. Also ask him will he be as critical to El Presidente Gillard and the swinging Treasurer who goes to greener fields every time there is aleadership challenge Mr Wayne (always the bridesmaid and never,the bride) Swann. Come one Mr Oakes ask them a better question than the colour of their little coton socks.

    • Economist says:

      07:42am | 10/07/11

      1. It’s not a direct relationship. Your missing the big picture. If you accept the premise that carbon dioxide has a warming effect that’s what we’re trying to stop no one could possibly predict specifc temperature. Meteorology can’t even predict the temperature the next day. It’s the trend over the long-term.


      2. The administration costs are exaggerated. A quick look at the Department fof Climate Changes Portfolio budget statement http://climatechange.gov.au/about/budget/~/media/publications/budget/1112/2011-12-pbs.pdf shows that the department costs of this agency and the renewable energy regulator are $160M, expected to rise to over $200M or 0.05% of total budget outlays. I anticipate the compensation package itself to use existing government resources via Centrelink and the tax department. So the screams of being a waste are exxagerated.


      3. I’m not confident with this 97% level, in that, from my understanding, there is a pre-industrial level combined with natural and man-made increases since. The issue is that since industiralisation man-made carbon dioxide is catching up with and could pass natural contributions. Again not an expert.


      4. I’m far from being a climatge scientist, but basically, its an input output system. The earth does breakdown carbon, over 100s of years, but if we throw more into the system it can’t break it down as quickly, creating a heating effect. 

      5. Yes, its its about chaging domestic behaviour. Issues on what’s being done overseas are a key argument against the tax i.e. the rest of the world doesn’t have such a model so why should we? The aim is not to destroy the coal and gas sectors, thats the Greens.

      6. Prices are expected to rise and decrease in the long run as it will be based on a market mechanism. zero carbon emissionsmenas no tax.

      7. Price increases change purchasing behvaviour of that specific good. The compensation is for the income loss given that the good is essential for most households.

      8. It using existing bureaucratic wealth re-distribution and regulationS. 

      9. See 7.

      10. Tax first then trading scheme. The difference between the two is in the first the government sets the price, in the second a derived market sets the price. THis is simply the first step, it’s a small step. The policy will change overtime.

    • Conservative Smear says:

      12:24pm | 09/07/11

      To quote from your link

      “When you repeat things over and over to young people who don’t have the cognitive maturity and emotional maturity to process this stuff, you end up creating unnecessary anxiety,”

      Just replace ‘young people’ with ‘conservative deniers’ and you have Abbott’s mantra.

      Compromised indeed!

    • Ben81 says:

      01:19pm | 09/07/11

      What’s a ‘conservative denier’, do they stick their fingers in their ears and say LALALALA whenever Tony Abbott speaks or something?

    • The Badger says:

      02:07pm | 09/07/11

      Conservative smear
      I see what you mean about young people who don’t have the cognitive maturity and emotional maturity to process this stuff.
      You already caught one under your comment.

    • Ben81 says:

      02:51pm | 09/07/11

      Curses, caught in another elaborate trap!
      Now, back to pondering Badger’s “squealing piggies” brain bender of a talking point…

    • Mouse says:

      10:30pm | 09/07/11

      I cannot believe that even gillard would sink that low to have that crap pushed at children in Primary Schools. Maybe she will do as she did in the pink batts debacle and deny all knowledge of it. The perfect scapegoat again, Peter Garrett!  rflmao, what’s she promised him this time, the keys to the Lodge?!

    • No 1 Rosie says:

      11:42am | 09/07/11

      The only people excited about tomorrow’s ‘Carbon Sunday’ is the media and the Gillard Labor Minority Govt. The fact is the carbon tax has no mandate and is devised by a handful of politicians for their survival to remain in power. Waste of our money and time!

      We all know it will without any doubt be passed through the Upper and Lower House. Gillard Labor are only out there to discredit Tony Abbott and trying desperately to win votes away from Tony Abbott and the Coalition. 

      Kudos to Richo on Skynews! The interview was done in a civilized respectful manner by Richo to another politician that is doing the best he can to bring down this bad incompetent Govt. The weird thing about it, nothing was written by the media in what Tony Abbott had to say. Did they not bother to see it or turned a deaf ear because what Tony Abbott had to say meant so much for this nation and the people during these tiring times. The media would have heard the answers they have been asking.

    • Leigh says:

      11:54am | 09/07/11

      Gillard doesn’t have to ‘sell’ anything; she will be able to impose the tax with the help the unrepresentative Greens and independents. 

      Anyone who cannot tell us (as Gillard cannot) how much a tax on the gas carbon dioxide will reduce warming could not sell water to a person dying of thirst. With her lies a Socialist determination, she will get the tax through parliament, and then 9 out of 10 households will be better off than they are now.

      For the first time ever, people will be better off because of another tax!! And good old Laurie, leading Labor spokesman, can tell us that millions of people will be ‘over-compensated’ for the tax.

      If we are going to be better of after a tax; Gillard doesn’t know what difference to climate the tax will make, and Garnaut actually has said that it will be negligible, why have the stupidly devise thing in the first place?

      The only thing now that Gillard can do and be praised by most Australians is to put aside her arrogance and dogmatic socialism and call an election to clear the air once and for all on climate change.

    • No 1 Rosie says:

      01:56pm | 09/07/11

      I read the scathing comments and Gillard is gone. Sorry Laurie Oakes, not a chance the people will turn around to even give her any sympathy, let alone their vote, the only thing Gillard is fighting for. Forget her rotten carbon tax! Gillard isn’t interested in the carbon tax, she is only interested in discrediting Tony Abbott to win over his votes. It is going to be passed anyway, Tony Abbott will repeal it with the help of the remaining Labor MPs saved by their most rusted on-supporters after the next Elections. Labor MPs will have no choice but to back the Coalition in getting rid of the rotten carbon tax. They would be stupid to go against the people! Put it another way, a God given chance for Labor to throw it back at the Greens sitting pretty in the Senate and start afresh.

      But hey to the juicy bit - made my day!

      The bold, self assured, up and coming statesman - well to my eyes anyway - the Opposition leader Tony Abbott has just proclaimed loudly and clearly to Julia Gillard and her rusted-on supporters; “My fight is only just beginning. I say to Labor MPs, they aren’t seen anything yet. Labor sitting members need to know that I will blitz their seats spreading the message about this toxic tax!

      Game On! Go Tony Go!

    • The Badger says:

      02:25pm | 09/07/11

      Rosie
      Gillard is gone?
      Who are you talking to your brood.
      cluck cluck the Old No 1 is coming down the line.
      Go Tony Go…. Chooo chooo

      Rosie stop harassing the sensible folk.

    • No 1 Rosie says:

      03:22pm | 09/07/11

      The Badger The Harass

      You must have read the above link, 38 comments and counting, 37 of which bagged your hero big time.

      The truth must hurt! For you it has to be the fact that she is gone finished, kaput, morally dead etc and for me that the people can make those kinds of remarks to a PM that should have our respect because she is our representative.

      For the Labor brand’s future you, The Badger The Harass must face the truth.

      Choo off and begin harassing others like yourself, so the same shameful result for Labor at the recent NSW Elections would not happen federally. Make yourself useful for a change, your energy and time here wouldn’t do you and the Labor Party any good whatsoever!

      I warn the fight has just begun for Tony Abbott. Read below!

      “The Opposition leader Tony Abbott has just proclaimed loudly and clearly to Julia Gillard and her rusted-on supporters; “My fight is only just beginning. I say to Labor MPs, they aren’t seen anything yet. Labor sitting members need to know that I will blitz their seats spreading the message about this toxic tax!”

    • Laurence O'Neil says:

      12:07pm | 09/07/11

      Consensus must play a role when the argument any individual may have regarding any subject is only a part of many other diverse points of view.
      Climate change is ignoring consensus and not without reason.
      Anyone who believes climate change as a returning to nature what humanity has taken away has condensed it very conveniently to suite their collective understanding in a form of spiritual enlightenment. Politicians have capitalised on zealot roll playing for generations and still are when it proves convenient for the troths of human behaviour. So it is for Climate change, there is no imagination in Politics only new ways of of processing and laundering money, the ETS is unfortunately one of those excercises in futility which benefits the chosen few at the expense of the majority, if not now then certainly in the future. Real change in attitude to the use and abuse of resources is the only positive way ahead but don’t expect the politicains and Industrialists to be up front for that idea any time soon.

    • The Quite Australian says:

      12:16pm | 09/07/11

      I have only one word to say here, that’s

    • nihonin says:

      07:13am | 10/07/11

      Good thing you didn’t breathe out when saying that, otherwise you’d have been taxed.

    • Tax accountant says:

      12:46pm | 09/07/11

      It will cost more to Administer—than the actual tax

    • Wayne says:

      12:50pm | 09/07/11

      The carbon tax will be a big con forced on the Australian people.
      1.  There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead. So there is no mandate to do this.
      2.  Global warming has morphed into climate change, with associated scare campaigns of temperature increases forcing the human race to diminish to a small population left at the poles, coastal areas flooded, barrier reef disappearing, never ending droughts, and lets not forget the children,  grandchildren and beyond.
      3.  The carbon tax is offered as a solution to climate change which it is not. Even if Australia stopped all CO2 emissions tomorrow the effect on the climate, sea level rise, barrier reef will be nil. This tax is wealth redistribution by stealth.
      4.  Sure we need to find new energy sources to replace fossil fuels but this has nothing to do with climate change and a carbon tax. The false claim is climate change is real (it changes all the time) and therefore we need a carbon tax (the false link).
      5.  The false impression that a carbon tax will be paid by the big polluters only (that is where it will be levied), but they will pass on the cost to consumers and businesses, so it is ultimately consumers that will pay. This will also speed up business failure where they compete with imports.
      6.  Australian businesses cannot compete very well now against overseas imports so this tax will cause them to disappear sooner.
      7.  The impression that very few will be worse off, by using language such as 9 in 10 receive compensation, and 7 in 10 fully compensated. This is deception by omission. If 50 percent of the tax will go to households, the other 50 percent must largely come from households as the tax is passed on to consumers.
      8.  It is high time the truth of this carbon tax deceit is exposed.

    • earl says:

      01:27pm | 09/07/11

      Julia Gillard, PM, August 2010, pre-election: “there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”

      Wayne Swan, Treasurer, August, 2010, pre-election: “What we rejected is this hysterical allegation that somehow we are moving towards a carbon tax”

      Senator Penny Wong, previous Climate Change minister, April, 2010 when promoting a ‘trading’ scheme: “A carbon tax is a less efficient way in the Australian government’s view of dealing with this issue”, and: “You know that you can’t have any environmental certainty with a carbon tax”

      Martin Ferguson, Resources minister, said in 2007 that a carbon tax of $30 on local airline flights would: “kill the Australian aviation industry both domestically and internationally”

      Everyone remember these 4 quotes and tell me if they are true or lies.

    • WayneT says:

      04:19pm | 09/07/11

      In Senator Wong’s own words:

      ‘I have been very upfront about why I think a carbon tax isn’t the most sensible thing for Australia.’ (Press Conference, 3 November 2009).”

      “A carbon tax is not the silver bullet some people might think.” (Speech, CEDA State of the Nation Conference, 23 June 2010)

      “A carbon tax is a less efficient way in the Australian Government’s view of dealing with this issue.” (Interview, ABC News Radio, 16 April 2010)

      “We know that you can’t have any environmental certainty with a carbon tax.” (Interview, Sky News, 30 April 2009)
      In Swan’s own words:

      On August 12 2010, Swan insisted there would be no carbon tax if Labor won: “We have made our position very clear, we have ruled it out.”

      On August 18, he added: “What we rejected is this hysterical allegation that somehow we are moving towards a carbon tax.”

      Gillard’s own words:

      On August 16, Gillard was categorical: “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead.”

      Two days before the poll she said it again: “I rule out a carbon tax.”

      Why those promises? Because the Liberals were campaigning against the tax, and Labor knew if it had to rule it out to save itself.
      And so, in the August 21 election, more than 80 per cent of voters backed parties that had promised no carbon tax. The trouble is, one of them was lying.

    • Lady Sunshine of everywhere says:

      02:56pm | 09/07/11

      As a pensioner getting that $210 a year which equates to $4.0384616 per week I hardly think that will improve my lot at all.In fact I know it will not as my government housing rental cost has just risen by $10 a week.Not to mention the latest price hike in electricity and if I owned my own home water and rates also went up.That $4.0384616 will not even cover the cost of just one prescription filled at a chemist.I would tell Ms Gillard to have an open and honest (I jest) look at the plight of some of our seniors. I am fortunate that I pay a low rent and do not have to pay for repairs when needed. There are many out there paying double what I pay for some dingy little unit. To go shopping is a journey of disappointment when you want to buy a leg of lamb. Who can afford to pay upward of $22 for 1 leg of lamb.You look at your list and think can I go another week without this or that.It is not just pensioners who feel like I do the single people have the same expenses you and I have yet they get no help at all.I shower every 3rd day as I have a very small HWS and it costs a bomb to reheat the water because it does not qualify for off peak rates heating.Others turn off their HWS and only turn it on every 3 days for 1 hour before showering.This folks is the reality of pensioners and the disabled etc.I am not whinging merely stating the facts of a life many know nothing about.

    • Lisa H. says:

      03:10pm | 09/07/11

      Yes, if pensioners need a pay-rise, that should be a seperate issue entirely from the Carbon Tax.

      How is the presentation of this tax, with promises of overcompensation, anything but blatant vote-buying exercise to a fairly desperate group of people?

      Shameless (even despicable) politicking!

    • No 1 Rosie says:

      03:40pm | 09/07/11

      I know you don’t need our sympathy - you wouldn’t even have to think about it.

      The worse thing about this rotten ill devised carbon tax is its going to get through both houses without any of us having our say. This is the reason why Tony Abbott is successful in the polls - he is saying NO to a carbon tax.

      The package has been devised in hope to discredit Tony Abbott and not to cut back carbon emissions. What really irks me is Gillard lying to us and using pensioners as a political tool, the bullshit compensation. NOTE - Tony Abbott and the Coalition. Below is what I wrote on another thread.

      “Pensioners are the only ones that deserve to be given what we as a nation owe them to make their lives worth their past efforts and contributions to this great land of ours. It should be given with great pride and sincerity. It is something all Govts aught to do naturally. I hate it when Govts use pensioners as a political tool.”

    • Billy tha inviramentalist says:

      04:16pm | 09/07/11

      I saw an old train going through Redfern today,it was green and had a loud whistle and was puffing smoke,disgraceful,I bought some garbage bags and scooped up all the smoke I could and am sending it to Getaway and the boss of homosexual in the cuntree to have examned by Ross Garnault to sue the old smoking train persons society.My name iz Billy and Im hear too help

    • Lesley Laurel says:

      04:26pm | 09/07/11

      Your comment:Liberal Laurie Oakes is trying be alarmist again.
      Before he retires soon, Liberal Laurie Oakes wants the death of the Labor Party.
      He doesn’t realise that Australian politics is like a fruit shop where the Labor Party provides the fruits and the Coalition provides the vegetables.
      The COALition now stands for COAL, COALition Forces and COALition Parties. John W Howard only stood only for normal average Aussies provided they were rich, powerful, stupid,backward,churchy or big business

    • Joel B1 says:

      05:04pm | 09/07/11

      Lesley,

      Ummm, your heroes Gillard and Swan have said recently and repeatedly “The coal industry has a great future in Australia”.

      So don’t be such a prat.

    • Lesley Laurel says:

      04:32pm | 09/07/11

      Aren’t readers bored to death and sick to death with liberal party biased journalists on this punch website?Or are the readers too old,too stupid, too dumb, too bigoted, too uneducated,too religious, too obnoxious, too churchy, too sexy, too revolutionary,too green, too politically correct and too unAustralian to notice???

    • Billy B says:

      05:01pm | 09/07/11

      Egad Lesley Lauren are you sure you didn’t miss anyone there?  And the answer to your first question - NO.  Take a hike and take your swill comments with you.

    • Joel B1 says:

      04:34pm | 09/07/11

      The Washington Times reckons there’s been no warming since 1998.

      That’s 12 years.

      Still Gillard knows what’s best for us (actually she knows what it take to keep Bob Brown happy or at least still as leader of the Greens)

      (and Mrs JB1 reckons that if the warmists reckon the Southern Oscillation is reducing temperatures now it should have been increasing them previously, still what would she know? Only a PhD and 20 years research in a very “climate sensitive” area)

    • Lesley Laurel says:

      04:34pm | 09/07/11

      What is another name for a Liberal Party Voter?
      A Journalist

    • Bryan says:

      04:52pm | 09/07/11

      If you believe that CO2 is the be all and end all to a problem which is still not agreed upon, how the heck do you solve the so called problem with a tax?

      For the sake of argument, let us say that CO2 is causing the world to warm – even at the fractional pace most scientists on both sides of the argument agree upon. Here are my questions.

      1. How will giving me money stop me from lessening my CO2 output?
      2. On the basis of a CO2 TAX - how will this bring down Earth’s temperature?
      3. On the basis of a CO2 TAX - how much will this bring down the Earth’s temperature?
      4. On the basis of a CO2 TAX - remind me why CO2 is not good for the Earth?
      5. If temperatures did rise a fraction of a degree what would this do to animals, plant life and humans?
      6. Finally - on the basis of the CO2 tax, how long do Australians have to wait before we see the end of this ALP/Green’s government?

    • Gran Depine says:

      05:33pm | 09/07/11

      I can’t wait for the that word or phrase PM Gillard will repeat in her speech over and over again this Sunday. Hahahah and the dope paid thousands of dollars to image consultants who will come up with some word that makes TAX sound sexy. They will then adviser her to repeat it over and over again like a modern dance trance lyric and they have convinced her that if she says the word long enough, her innate Jedi force will be awaken, and the audience will start repeating it subconsciously over and over again and they believe it is true. I’m convinced already.

      The PM of Australia is such a predictable puppy it makes me sick. She also has the imagination of an Andy Warhol Campbell’s Tomato Soup print, coupled with the looks and charisma of the clown Ronald McDonald on Valium. I can’t wait to see the hand gestures “look here look here there is nothing up my sleeves” if you are all good boys and girls and stop listening to that big bad Climate change denying Hamburgler (who is only black and white) Nanny Ronald McDonald you will get you a Big Mac Carbon rebate voucher.

      Behind her will stand a bunch of sick sycophants bobbing their heads up and down like an Elvis figurine on a car’s dashboard. God bless the little PM because rumour has she secretly contracted Shakira as a consultant in order to checked if her hips don’t lie because everything else is too bloody obvious. The presentation will end with a pre-recorded canned applause and a huge Clarke Gable pash (including tongue) from her breaded defacto hubby (has he had shave?)on prime time national TV. How am I going to sleep on Sunday night?

    • Mouse says:

      06:42am | 10/07/11

      I have to agree Gran, the inevitable repeated word or phrase, over and over again! she sounds like a not very bright robot droning on and on. I cannot listen to her any more and even reading transcripts is tedious. The woman obviously has never met a question she will answer. (giggle, giggle) I often wonder if she ever listens to any of her speeches afterwards and hears what we hear. 

      gillard has done her 12 months, she can get her $600k pension plus perks, so why doesn’t she just go away before she does any more damage. The trouble for Labor now is that there is no-one who is willing to take her place. It would be political suicide and the end of any further career in politics. she has set a new precedent for the phrase “bad government”  and another reason why a minority government doesn’t work.
      Her parents must be sooooooo proud of her!

    • Dave says:

      05:35pm | 09/07/11

      Your comment:

      By: Esmarie Swanepoel

      5th July 2011

      TEXT SIZE


      PERTH (miningweekly.com) ? The Australian government, led by Prime Minister Julia Gillard, is moving ahead with its plans to impose a carbon tax on the country’s largest polluters, with the government readying to announce a price during this coming weekend.
      Gillard said that after hearing a report on the discussions of the multiparty climate change committee (MPCCC), the Cabinet had agreed that sufficient progress had been made to allow for the announcement of a carbon price.
      She added that while there would be additional discussions with the MPCCC this week, followed by further Cabinet consideration, it was expected that the remaining detail of the proposed carbon tax would be finalised ahead of Sunday’s announcement.
      The exact terms of the carbon tax has been the subject of much speculation, with industry bodies and political opposition lamenting the lack of details around the proposed tax.
      Mining majors have warned that the government needed to be careful not to penalise energy-intensive export businesses in Australia, until carbon giants such as China and the US made a move to incorporate a carbon tax.
      The coal mining industry, which would likely be one of the hardest-hit sectors under the proposed tax, has also warned that the tax could cost as much as A$22-billion in coal sale losses, and as many as 126 000 jobs by 2020, across the country.
      However, federal Treasurer Wayne Swan told Parliament House on Monday that the carbon pollution price would only apply to fewer than 1 000 of the country’s largest polluters.
      “It will not apply directly to households. Now of course there are price impacts that flow from that, which is why we will provide assistance to households and of course assistance to industry and assistance to clean energy programmes,” Swan said.
      Responding to a question regarding public opinion on the proposed carbon tax, Swan said that once the details of the tax were made clear, the federal government would welcome a debate.
      “I certainly look forward to having that debate in the months ahead.”

      “The most important thing is to do the right thing by the country and doing the right thing by the country is to reduce our carbon pollution to make sure that we are competitive as an economy into the future to protect our great industries. We need to put a price on carbon to remain competitive, to drive investment in renewable energy.
      “We need to put a price on carbon so we can have a clean energy future. A clean energy future is absolutely essential if we are going to remain a first-rate economy for the rest of this century,” Swan added.
      The proposed carbon tax, which would likely be introduced by mid-2012, with an emissions trading scheme expected within the following five years, was expected to raise some A$11.5-billion during the first year.
      The revenue from the carbon price was expected to rise for a decade or so, and thereafter it was expected to stabilise and then eventually decline.
       

      Edited by: Mariaan Webb

      I can see many more jobs lost out of this

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      05:50pm | 09/07/11

      To All People
      Who are now concerned about this PROPOSED carbon tax.
      It is very OBVIOUS now that with all the scaling back, the compensation and polluters who will simply PASS the costs of the tax onto consumers, that this tax will do NOTHING or give INCENTIVE for anyone to reduce emmissions.It is a complete FARCE.
      IT is just a tax Grab and should exposed it for what it really is.They talk about an ETS in 3 years, well do it now,  no need for this Bullshit.

      P.S.  I posted this same argument to the Get Up site, it was quickly taken off.

    • BobM says:

      08:02pm | 09/07/11

      Not just mining and transport - too bad for our tourism industry as well - who would want to come half way around the world to stay in overpriced hotels, eating extremely expensive meals and going on exhorbitantly pricy tours? Australia is already expensive as a tourist destination, add another 20% to everything and it’s goodbye tourists.

    • Richard says:

      09:13pm | 09/07/11

      Over compensating households is simply a strategic move by Gillard.  It will provide her with a tool to wedge Tony Abbott at the next election when he pledges to repeal the carbon tax plus its associated sweeteners.

    • BobM says:

      10:16pm | 09/07/11

      By the next election, people will have forgotten their ‘sweeteners’ as they struggle to pay their bills. What they won’t forget is Juliar Gillard saying “there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”.

    • Ann says:

      05:27am | 10/07/11

      All the noney in the world won’t buy Gillard out of this one.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      10:17pm | 09/07/11

      Men & women of Australia, Rejoice! St Joooolya is about to safe the world!
      Closer to home ALL those living below the Poverty Line - that means ALL Pensioners - including Self-funded retirees will doubtless get down on their knees 7 give thanks to this newest member of the Chapter of the World’s Saints.
      In carefully leaked information about St Joooolya’s Carbon Tax which the ALP & Joooolya so stupidly regard as “Good News”- it’s a wonder she did not get SA’s ALP Premier Mike Rann to announce it as all he ever has to annonce is “Good News”- which inevitably gets shelved altogether or delayed for years.
      The “Good News”? Those living below the Poverty Line are to get, in addition to any pathetic compensation Joooolya may propose a truly massive Extra payment of $210.00 per annum. Oh! The generosity of this woman on hundrededs of thousands in pay’n'perks every year brings tears to the eyes of all those living Below the Poverty Line! They will receive a whopping $4.038 per week. That won’t even buy a decent loaf of bread!
      Families who have an income in the mid $80,000s are going to get an additional $7.40 or thereabouts! What will that buy? A dozen caged hen eggs & a loaf of bread if they are lucky. At least they will get a wee bit of protein.
      This largesse whilst Joooolya, Kevin, Wayne,Garrett & Wong dine on lobster, oysters & filet mignon.
      Joooolya may have got Andrew Wilkie on board for her Carbon Tax but he did not even have to get on board as he has been a Joooolya Gillard Lackey right from the start. Why can’t he simply be honest & join the ALP - he may as well for as sure as hell neither the Liberals, Nationals would have him & he already tried the Greens so they, unless for purely cynical political opportunism (they are experst) probably would not want him either!
      Joooolya may get her Carbon Tax passed by BUT it will spell the end of her as Prime Minister & she will join those other failed ALP leaders: Kirner,Lawrence & that ex-Premier of NSW Christina somebody &, if the reports are accurate, Anna Bligh from Qld!

    • Craig says:

      05:54am | 10/07/11

      We don’t need a tax on carbon dioxide because it is not a pollutant. The science is flawed, there has been no warming this century, the whole thing is a sham and Julia Gillard lied before the last election about her intentions. Now with the help of the Australian communist party (whoops Greens) and a couple of trecherous independents we are going to tax Australian business while exporting millions of tonnes of coal to China and India so they can emit CO2 and not be taxed. The election cannot come soon enough.

    • Robby Hart says:

      08:06am | 10/07/11

      The release today will be attacked viciously by Abbott who will focus on a couple of issues and hammer away at them. The rest of the story will be up to Labor to sell and, as you say Laurie, they have been poor at giving the good news as they are so distracted by Abbott.

      They need to allocate one person to responding to Abbott and the rest should sell the package.

      I don’t understand this placid acceptance of having told a “lie” pre election. Abbott does it every day and Labor should have someone document his history of lies, including his own admissions on that. Look at his Ministerial record for the same.

      Labor don’t need to get into the dirt with Abbott, just stick to facts and ask questions of Abbott instead of just accepting all his to them.

      An example of his lies is just last week on the 7:30 report when he said a big organisation supported his direct action. They denied this the next day so there is no one with any credibility who supports his “policy”

      Apart from that people will not start to swing until the package has been passed by Parliament and it is in and working so they can see if they were told the truth. If they were? The polls will reverse quickly as Abbott will be exposed for what he is. A liar.

      Wilkie will not change sides. Why would he, he’s in govt now. Changing to Abbott would finish him as the seat he ran third in and won is a long standing Labor seat and the voters there would make sure he was thrown out. And, you say it was Pyne who said this stuff. Be real, that guy is a complete fake and fool.

      During the last period of the Howard govt Pyne sat in the row behind the front bench and directly behind anyone who was answering questions in Question Time. Get a tape and have a look. He showed total disinterest and boredom except when Turnbull was on his feet answering. When that happened Pyne was all ears and his eyes never left Malcom’s derriere. Have a look, it’s blatantly weird.

    • Paula Ciancio says:

      08:10am | 10/07/11

      Only thing to say on this really is please just get on with it and get it out of the news. It seems I wake to this argument and go to sleep while they are still at it. It’s way too much and it has to stop. If we don’t do it we are going to suffer worse weather. Why is there an issue at all?

    • poa says:

      04:24pm | 11/07/11

      She’s just worried about comments that he is Bob Brown’s Bitch.

    • Fox says:

      10:26am | 10/07/11

      The carbon tax is going to be a train wreck,Julia Gillard is driving the train flat out,the bridge is gone,she has no brakes,and she is going to take us with her,and there is nothing we can do until the next election so sit down,hang on and pray.

    • Ross says:

      12:24pm | 11/07/11

      For the sake of sanity , Get a life ,I have lived most of my long life under miserable liberal governments, None was worth a crumpet , labour is the reformist government and so would the greens be, if given a chance . Would you want to run this ungrateful rabble of a country.If the media owners don’t like you your screwed why bother. I don’t care if your kids have nothing to breath and only a mosque to worship at , you only have your selves to blame . Take a hot bath and while your their , contemplate your navels

    • poa says:

      03:28pm | 11/07/11

      Rubbish Laurie. You’ll give her hundreds of more “last Chances”.
      You take the Neville Chamberlain award for Apologists.
      If Gillard was to be belieeved “There will be no Carbon tax”.
      This is stuff George Orwell couldn’t imagine.
      Our Coal burnt here =Bad, In China=Good.
      Diesel= Bad, Petrol=Good, except in trucks.
      We’re all laughing at you buddy.
      How low can Laurie go with his special brand of Brown Collar Journalism?
      The sort that turns kissing ALP butt into an Extreme Sport

    • Ron V. says:

      10:05pm | 11/07/11

      Your good at the one liners Laurie. ” Tony’s making the Paul Keating error, a Liberal said yesterday”. Why don’t you tell us which Liberal. I suppose it’s an old drinking pal, who is a liberal supporter, down at your local watering hole and not a politician as you would have us believe. You and Malcolm Farr make a good pair. Every so often you both throw the Liberals a bone but deep down you’re both Labor supporters. I don’t know why you can’t be honest enough to come out of the closet.
      Ron.

    • NikkiWeaver22 says:

      02:18pm | 28/07/11

      Various people in every country take the credit loans from different banks, because it is comfortable and fast.

 

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