It is well known that in politics you don’t interrupt your enemy when he is busy making a mistake. Yet it is a rule routinely forgotten.

John Tiedemann cartoon of PM Julia Gillard as a carbon atom with two orbiting oxygen atoms in Greens Leader Bob Brown and his deputy Christine Milne

Coalition MPs were surprised when Julia Gillard suddenly bobbed up on February 24 to announce Australia would indeed have a carbon tax as a prelude to a full emissions trading scheme.

Much of the commentary since has been about the bizarre politics of the announcement rather than the substance of the policy. This is because there was no substance (beyond it being a blatant broken promise) and because the whole event raised serious questions as to who in the PM’s inner sanctum is in charge of strategy and who, beyond the PM’s office, is shaping policy. As to the latter, the Opposition’s claim that the Greens are the tail wagging the dog was hardly contradicted by their presence in the PM’s normally exclusive courtyard.

Seeing Bob Brown and Christine Milne delighted by their influence also delighted Tony Abbott even as it had Labor MPs mumbling darkly.

Then there was the timing.

Why had the Government chosen that particular moment to do it - especially given that it came before anything beyond the most rudimentary details had been agreed? Voters were told Australian businesses needed investment certainty yet increased uncertainty was the most immediate effect.

What voters were expressly not told was at what level the carbon price would be set, how long it would be in place before being replaced by an ETS, who would be liable to pay, which industries would be shielded due to their export-orientation, and myriad technical factors about the new scheme. Most glaring from a popular opinion viewpoint was the Government’s inability to say how the tax would affect ordinary people in terms of prices, particularly for electricity and fuel, and what compensation would be available to mitigate these effects. 

The conspicuous absence of these crucial details was a gift for a rampaging Tony Abbott.

As he was entitled to do, he jumped on the broken promise aspect first, pointing out that Ms Gillard had said clearly just before the election that no carbon tax would gain favour in any government she led. This was rare political gold - a chance to permanently brand Ms Gillard as deceitful.

But that was just the beginning. Those close to the Liberal leader say he could barely believe his luck. Politics, like nature itself, abhors a vacuum. Mr Abbott wasted no time filling the void warning of a $300 annual hike in power bills and six and a half cents a litre hike on petrol.

``The whole point about this carbon tax is that it won’t clean up the environment, it will clean out your wallet, and it will wipe out jobs big-time,’’ he said this week in the latest iteration of the general critique.

Polls show Labor’s already low primary vote collapsed further in the wake of the announcement and the attendant furore over the PM’s backflip. It now languishes at a disastrously low 30 per cent according to Newspoll.

Nobody on either side seems certain why Ms Gillard made the carbon tax announcement when she did.

It came just as she was nailing down a hard-fought deal on the flood levy. Remember that? Mr Abbott had banked a lot of credibility branding it as just another tax and wholly unnecessary. Gillard too had plenty riding on it and behind the scenes, had worked furiously on independents in both houses to get their votes. Yet rather than take the win, and give voters time to digest it, she dropped her half-baked carbon tax stink bomb.

What’s more, and this goes to interrupting your enemy when he’s got his own problems, she let Tony Abbott off the hook in the process. He was wrestling with his own problems such as anti-Islam comments from his Parliamentary Secretary, Cory Bernardi, and some at best, indelicate comments from his immigration spokesman, Scott Morrison on asylum seekers. There were also reports that Mr Morrison had advocated capitalising on public disquiet over problems of Muslim integration.

It was a bad look for Mr Abbott amid suggestions that One Nation had pressured Coalition MPs into the hard-line rhetoric. But Gillard’s carbon tax announcement changed all that.

As one Liberal said: ``Why she didn’t take the win on the levy and then go on to Washington and bask in all the positive headlines from that, rather than start this carbon tax argument is a mystery?’’ Quite.

But then, Tony Abbott showed this week that two can play that game when, for no good reason, he re-ignited an old argument about CO2 and its role in global warming. Apologists can argue all they like about the nuances, as plenty did via The Punch this week. It is not however so easy to argue with the take-out for voters which was to remind them that many on the conservative side do not accept the climate change science.

Liberal MPs concede this point privately and Abbott himself knew he had strayed off-message. He was out the next day re-emphasising his belief in the science, no ifs or buts.

In a tragic week for the world, his misstep was lost in bigger things but it will definitely get an airing in Parliament next week.

The best you can say about Tony Abbott’s performance on climate policy over the last two years is that he has been a bit of a weather vane.

But his problems are small beer compared to the Government’s job in getting this carbon tax through - whether sweetened with tax cuts or not.

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    • Richard says:

      05:46am | 19/03/11

      Yes you are right Mark Kenny, staying in message and keeping that message simple is a critical skill in politics. That’s not to say that you don’t need to be very thorough in your policy details, its just that that all those details and nuances must add it to a coherent, unified message that’s easy to sell.

      The government has made a hash of it, because they didn’t work out all the trivial details (which are actually going to make a big difference to a lot of people’s lives) before they tried to start selling this message of a carbon tax. Formulating a package that both Tony Windsor and the Greens will be able to agree on seems nigh on impossible to me, don’t you think the government should have nutted that one out before publicly proclaiming their hare-brained scheme?

      The overall impression it gives is that this government are amatuers.

    • Against the Man says:

      05:50am | 19/03/11

      Carbon tax plan - half baked
      Asylum seeker plan - half baked
      Health care - half baked

      Great Federal ALP policies since 2007 = 0

      Gillard has a problem, the carbon tax will all but guarantee that at the next Federal election Labor will lose in a land slide.

      The first point of attack is NSW, punish Gillard by punishing NSW Labor. Send Gilltard a message that she needed to life her game 6 months ago. What are we paying her for? Bumming around with her boyfriend? Is this Heartbreak High or the Australian Federal government?

    • Keith Hammersmith says:

      04:47pm | 19/03/11

      so what did happen with Julia’s half baked asylum seeker plan,  thought she had that all sorted before the election and then….....  we dont hear about it again….

      has she or is she planning on accomplishing anything?

    • intruder says:

      06:03am | 19/03/11

      The carbon tax is just lunacy its going to affect every Australian industry and not in a good way. Every product manufactured here from cars to tins of fruit will have a 5 percent or more impost due to the cost of every process incurring this tax. But every import will be exempt. Manufacturing Industries including our car industry will eventually close down here and head overseas. The Unions should be marching in the streets against this tax, as it will surely cost hundreds of thousands of blue-collar jobs. Its pure green madness, but they all seem to be supporting it.

    • Extruder says:

      08:52am | 19/03/11

      That’s funny, when I shook my magic 8 ball it said “ask again later”.

    • James says:

      03:39pm | 19/03/11

      intruder last time I checked, the only reason we have a car industry in this country is because of the government’s huge subsidy of it. It has not been competitive for decades and yet the taxpayers have to continue to fund it.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      01:45pm | 19/03/11

      When wasn’t he? ? Should be held down on a table & have oxygen thief tattooed on his foehead in large letters

    • Martin Hopes says:

      10:59pm | 19/03/11

      Showing a link to an article by Oxygen Thief Abetz is not very smart. It is a well known fact that he has a deep hatred for the Greens, so nothing he says can be taken with any balance. He is a Senator and their views should not count for anything, they are nothing but unrepresentative swill. Rob Oakeshott is a lower house member who was elected on merit, something Abetz will never do or be able to say.

    • TimB says:

      08:45pm | 20/03/11

      So Martin, I suppose you agree that Brown and the rest of the Greens (bar Bandt) should shut the hell up then?

    • TChong says:

      06:53am | 19/03/11

      More of the same, and more of the same responses to follow.
      Poor choice of illustration . If you need a paragraph to explain the drawing, then quite possibly something a little less obscure may have made a better prop.

    • L. says:

      08:30am | 19/03/11

      “More of the same”...You mean more justified critique of Labor lack of policy detail..??

      “and more of the same responses to follow”...You mean more voter lament at the of Labor lack of policy detail..??

      Seriously, is talking about the headline illustration the best you have??

    • CD says:

      09:31am | 19/03/11

      Seriously TChong do you comment just for the sake of seeing tour name? Brilliant illustration. I guess the explanation was for those who don’t get it- just like the carbon dioxide tax.

      For the gazillionth time answer the questions always asked to your lot.
      How much effect will this have lowering temps? We’ll ignore the fact not all are man made CC believers.

      What will this do to our industries? Please remember to add job losses or as Gillard tries to sugarcoat it, retraining against airy fairy new jobs in the green sector that as yet no one seems to figure out what they are?

      Some poignancy to your comments would be good.

    • Rosie says:

      10:56am | 19/03/11

      Chongy oh Chongy it seems you can’t enlighten us anymore so have resorted to criticizing the messenger to detract from the power of the message.

      The Labor Party must get away from offering sweetners to the Australian public. The majority of Australians are more sophisticated than they think and have too much pride for easy handouts from any Govt. They prefer to work hard, pay income tax and keep the rest of their wages in their pockets and are not sucked in with sweetners!

      Rudd/Gillard govt sold their mining tax by saying that the minerals belong to all Australians and therefore it was only fair that they received some of the profits. Now Gillard is trying to sell the carbon tax by compensating low income because the cost of living will no doubt rise. “Get from Paul to pay Peter, Robin Hood style of governance!

      According to the Govt this is a no detailed tax that Australia must have! Chongy you must campaign for the Govt to give us some details quick fast because even Paul Howes is hungry for it!

    • Knemon says:

      12:13pm | 19/03/11

      @ CD “How much effect will this have lowering temps?” as hard as it might be to get your brain around, this is NOT just about lowering temps, the picture is far larger, but don’t confuse yourself with that.

      “What will this do to our industries?” -  make them more efficient and environmentally friendly, but again, hard to understand.

      Job losses from a growing renewable energy sector - you have strange logic indeed.

      “Poignancy” - you need a dictionary!!

    • biff says:

      07:41am | 19/03/11

      Prime Minister Gillard’s carbon tax does seem to be very Icarian. What was she thinking? It remains to be seen if this carbon policy will be her millstone. The PM is now associated with the word deceiver and when she finally announces a price for carbon people will be murmuring ‘yeah, sure’.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      11:20am | 19/03/11

      biff i agree , however , i think that in fact it is a millstone additional to those already hanging around the P.M.‘s neck.
      Regardless of compensation to low income earners , the effects of this tax will be enormous on daily living costs.

      Tony Abbott is correct to say ” The whole point about this carbon tax is that it won’t clean up the environment . It will clean out your wallet , and it will wipe out jobs big-time. “

      Clearly that statement is not political rhetoric , it is a factual assessment of what will follow on from the application of a tax designed purely as a revenue net.

      Australians have been apathetic when it comes down to heeding the warnings which were sounded 2 years ago when Labor started on it’s Whitlamesque program of socialism.

    • Disgruntled taxpayer says:

      07:43am | 19/03/11

      What would you expect from Juliar who, after three years as Deputy Prime Minister and her joint Rudd/Gillard monumentally costly stuff-ups,  announced 2011 as the year of decision and delivery.  Oh yes. Manufacture more incompetence and then deliver it.
      I don’t think there were any indelicate asylum seeker comments from Morrison who merely said what is being discussed in neighbourhoods, supermarkets, work places and on public transport in every town and city in this country.. There’s plenty of enraged taxpayers out here helping fund those safe-centres, and we feel abused about pushy detainee demands and criminal acts of violence.
      Windsor and Oakeshott will push the carbon tax through on the gamble that Gillard’s rapidly sinking Labor vote will be bought back through tax-cuts.

    • iain m says:

      07:50am | 19/03/11

      This carbon tax plan is plain stupid as it at direct taxpayers expense sends our major carbon dioxide emissions overseas so we reduce our emissions but the World as a whole doesn’t and probably increases emissions. Where as the coalition plan actually reduces overall World emissions and this seems to have been lost on the progressive Canberra press gallery

    • iansand says:

      08:00am | 19/03/11

      More stuff about the politics, and little about the policy.  Ho hum.  Wake me up when the politics have gone away.

    • Tator says:

      10:04am | 19/03/11

      iansand,
      what policy detail is there to debate about, the ALP hasn’t even formulated it yet.  This is a purely political move as if it was a genuine policy move, they would have had crossed their T’s and dotted their I’s prior to announcing it so they could sell it better.  This ALP government and the Rudd government were so good at governing by announcement but pathetic at policy implementation.  They haven’t learnt from the RSPT tax debacle when they went off half cocked when they should be knuckling down, formulating good policy and fleshing those policies out with the major details and consulting and negotiating with the appropriate affected stakeholders BEFORE announcing their new policies so that they can explain to everyone involved what it entails at the time of announcement rather than leaving an information vacuum like they have here with the Carbon Tax policy where there is negligible detail apart from that they want to add a tax on any activities that have carbon dioxide or equivilent emissions.  It appears that they are an impatient and imprudent government who really do not have a clue on policy as it all seems to be thought bubble policies which appear to not be thought through.
      I can remember Howard being lambasted over his Murray-Darling policy as “it was written down on the back of an envelope” , it may have been but it still had more publically released detail that Gillards Carbon tax policy when it was announced.

    • Ben81 says:

      10:19am | 19/03/11

      Hey if you’ve got some actual details on the policy i’d appreciate you pointing it out for us.  If you don’t like people talking about the political implications of it (not that the debate has been limited to that by a long shot anyway) you can put the blame squarely on Gillard.

    • poa says:

      08:44am | 19/03/11

      Carbontax is halfbaked.
      Asylum seekers policy totally baked. The use of Less Lethal Ammunition (a 1st in Australia) against asylum seekers shows just how far out of control Gillards policy is. Her government must have authorised their use,

      Take this government out of the oven and give us fesh elections.
      This mob is done.

    • I worry for our children says:

      09:02am | 19/03/11

      Don’t forget to add Penny Wong into the mix of sneaks.  It’s wonderful how she is managing to stay under the radar. She can’t wait for her turn to take over the reigns.  Tax is tax in any countries language, unfortunately this baseless Federal Government is using it as a forced donation as it now in need just as a charity is.  Why because we are broke.  The same goes for NSW. No tax will stop carbon emission, as no tax will stop alcohol consumption and smoking.  Try to rename it a levy it is still a tax and never goes away.  Why does Australia have to have a levy for the victims of disaster in this country? Because we are broke.  Next there will be a tax on farmers for the number of cattle they own, as they pass wind and are destroying the ozone layer.  Then people will have a toilet levy/tax and we will have metres on them and count every flush. Yes I know it sounds ridiculous, however so is the carbon tax.  Get back our 3.3 million given to the USA for a war memorial in Washington.  Perhaps the Government can see some special emergency on this handout.  I can’t .  Can anyone else?  I for one cannot afford anymore of this reckless spending.  I’ll be working until I’m six foot under.  It won’t stop there because the Government will want money because I died.
      PS - I would like to see the right of the citizens of Australia to appeal legislation that was forced through without our scrutiny and permission.

    • Martin Hopes says:

      11:13pm | 19/03/11

      @ 09:02am. Read politics 101 before commenting on it…Penny Wong is a Senator…how does she take over the reigns? I bet you’re still confused. Afraid about missing out on some of your welfare are you? If you were genuinely worried about your children you would see the benefit of a price on Carbon leading to an ETS.

    • Just Sayin says:

      02:46pm | 21/03/11

      “If you don’t support a carbon tax, you don’t love your children”

      What a mature contribution to the debate.

    • Disgusted says:

      09:35am | 19/03/11

      The CarbonTax is wrong, why we need it is a wrong, industry will be damaged, this government needs to go.

    • Steve Putnam says:

      12:03pm | 19/03/11

      Industry needs above all certitude on carbon pricing. This was spelt out clearly in the recent debacle over the attempted sale of power in NSW. There are plenty of corporations just dying to get their hands on an industry with a ‘captive’ clientele such as electricity users, that has moreover shown profit margins in excess of $1billion for the last decade or so, but no-one was willing to move because of uncertainty regarding carbon.
      The opposition’s scheme is corporate socialism as it seeks to reward companies for mandated carbon reductions and, at the time of writing hasn’t been able to find one economist to support their position.

    • Richard says:

      06:59pm | 19/03/11

      Yeah and economists are basically all idiots Steve Putnam.

      I know that sounds harsh, but its true! None of them thought the GFC would happen, the top economists where telling everyone who would listen that the economy was fine and it was all roses as far out into the foreseeable future as possible, JUST before the SHTF.

      Economists are idiots, and furthermore, Ross Garnaut, the government’s chief economist, is an environmental villain! His gold mine in PNG is poisoning the sea! And he gets away with it scot free, and yet we’re still supposed to believe he has any credibility on the carbon tax issue?

      Most economists are left-wing socialist anyway. Its true, the vast majority of them are deeply involved with the left-wing groupthink university scene, and deep down they almost all support the blatant redistribution of wealth away from productive people and towards the wasters of society.

      But Steve Putnam you don’t need a ideologically compromised economist to tell you what to think. Use your own brain! Looking at the track record of the last 10-15 years, the Liberals have a much better economic pedigree than Labor. I think on economic issues I’d be listening to the coalition, with their track record of tax cuts and surplus’ year after year, rather than Labor with their demonstrated MO of racking up huge deficits and then ham-fistedly attempting to impose great big new taxes on everyone.

      The opposition’s scheme is a market based mechanism, which involves competing industries putting up tenders for carbon emission reduction. There is nothing inefficient or unfair about that. The other parts of the scheme, such as reforestation programs to replant vast tracts of land with trees, is the type of common sense solution that can actually make a difference which is notably absent from the government’s hare-brained scheme.

      The fact that all your left-wing economists can’t see the merit in the coalition’s proposals speaks more about their own bias and ineptitude than it does discredit the excellent Liberal party policy.

    • Que says:

      10:07am | 19/03/11

      I’d never thought I’d say this, but as things have got very personal between the voters and Juliar, I’d actually like to see Krudd topple her. The look on her face would be worth the price of admission. Sum total of her life’s work = 0.

    • Rosie says:

      12:36pm | 19/03/11

      Here here Queweeeeeeeeeeee!

      Weekend Australian - Gillard the great negotiator! “Mining tax truce was Rudd’s work before she shafted him!”

      No fly Zone over Libya - Rudd high-wire act shows up Gillard! Rudd was campaigning clear and loudly - “No fly Zone” Gillard was sucking up to the reluctant Obama when she had the golden opportunity as an Australian voice to be influential in Washington and through out the world. Australia through our Foreign minister had a clear policy “support the no fly zone” but Gillard refused to endorse it or support her Foreign Minister. Only when there was talk on the ongoing controversy between them that she endorsed it.

      Asylum seekers - what she said during the 2010 election campaign has gone out of existence. We have a situation where the asylum seekers are realeased into society without much screening to allievate the over crowding of detention centres!

      Weekend Australian again; Terry MaCrann: Why we should be afraid - Very Afraid - of Julia Gillard’s Fantasies

      “If she doesn’t believe the nonsense, we have a leader who is setting out to impose real pain on every Australian and cause serious damage to the national economy, for utterly no positive purpose”

      McCrann last paragraph; As I started: does she really believe the nonsense she spouts? Should we be afraid? Or really afraid?

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      10:18am | 19/03/11

      I think even labor supporters are dissapointed in the Rudd/gillard govt. time in power, Everyone can see the mess they have created and continue to create for Aust.
      Not all labor govts.have been this way, the likes of Hawke, Keating would SHIT all over this one.
      Not only is this the WORST labor has produced, but the WORSTgovt. Aust. has seen
      When it is all over gillard would be remembered in this way and would only be a DOT in Aust. History

    • Gregg says:

      10:32am | 19/03/11

      Unfortunately for Australia and possibly despite more than 50% of Australians against it, Juliar’s Carbon Tax will get through, merely because of the Greens having the numbers in the Senate.

      The only chance of it not getting up may be if the groundswell against such policy continues to rumble loudly enough that both Oakeshott and Windsor are in fear of the ground opening beneath their feet but this applies with all policies that are seeing significant issues develop.
      It would seem that both Windsor and Oakeshott have sufficient hatred for the LNP that they are prepared to see Australians at large have their lifestyles further sacrificed and do not really give a damm about representing the majority wish of their electorates.

      I suspect the reason Juliar chose her time for announcing a Carbon Tax and you’ll have to wait for the details is that she was hoping with her trip to the US, that would help to slide her backflip through.
      And then there would have been her weekly counselling from Bobby.

    • LC says:

      01:40pm | 19/03/11

      And even if the LNP get in next election, they won’t be able to revoke the carbon tax until the following election, as the greens will still hold the balance of power in the senate.

    • TimB says:

      09:04pm | 19/03/11

      LC if the Greens decide to be stubborn, Tony can just call an immediate double dissolution.

      With the anger involved in throwing Gillard out in the first place still fresh, it will easy to translate that into another election victory to throw the Greens out.

    • Derek says:

      09:52pm | 19/03/11

      Very easy to revoke, just set the carbon price to $0, that would be a regulation and not requiring parliament to vote.  As part of the regulations if you have $0 liability you do not need to make a return, then you can get rid of the 1000’s of Public servants needed to manage this idiotic scheme, sorry can’t say idiotic because I don’t even know how it is to be implemented. Based on past performance. I think I am safe to assume it will be idiotic. 

      I think Whitlam would be better than this lot, at least he stood for something and you have to respect that.  It’s time for Gough to save us !!!!

    • Joe says:

      10:29pm | 19/03/11

      Abbott could easily go to the electorate with the promise of a double dissolution as soon as he gains power. I believe that the Australian people will back him because the anarchy that reigns now cannot be allowed to continue. The Greens and Labor have shown their true colours this time around and it is RED.

    • TimB says:

      10:41pm | 19/03/11

      Interesting Derek. I didn’t even think of that. You sure it will be that easy or will the legislation lock in a certain price for a certain amount of time?

    • Phil says:

      10:38am | 19/03/11

      In regards to the timing. I can only think Labor knew they would loose NSW so they would make them the scapegoat for the Carbon Tax/Transition to an ETS.
      That or they thought that with Christchurch earthquake, they would get people thinking that that was climate change and be prepared to act.
      As a liberal voter I must say that Abbott was not in his best form prior to the press conference, but this alone took all heat off him and onto the red head.

    • Paul says:

      10:57am | 19/03/11

      You can bet the independents are now wondering if their deal with Gillard is worth the paper it wasn’t written on.

    • LC says:

      01:37pm | 19/03/11

      Windsor and Oakshott seemed quite happy to support it last I checked (at their constituent’s dismay).

    • Martin Hopes says:

      11:12am | 19/03/11

      Another conservative crying in their beer, jumping all over something before any details have been released. Similar to ‘flip flop’ Abbott telling the public how much more this is going to cost us, but no figures to support such claims.

      Given time, when more details are released, we will finally see Abbott pushed into a corner that he will be unable to flop out of…flip perhaps, as he goes into meltdown.

      I see Abbott’s people revolution is working a treat, their last meeting attracted some 100 people. as compared to 8,000 supporting this new action on climate change.  Tea-party tactics, like that used in the USA will never work in Australia, but hey, let flip flop have his fun.

    • David Wright says:

      01:28pm | 19/03/11

      Martin Hopes keep hoping Mate! You are obviously one of the ignorant proclaimed by Professor Ross Garnuat, the Professor on Gillard’s payroll at our expense to sell the ” no detailed Carbon tax!

      Tony Abbott only has to sit back and watch the big carbon tax lie and the Professor’s take on it, take its course for another dismal hurried failed policy of the Gillard Labour Govt! If you don’t understand that how about “self destructing”

    • LC says:

      01:41pm | 19/03/11

      There’s an old business rule that goes something like “for every person that voices a complaint, 15 people remain silent.”

    • Futureproof says:

      02:18pm | 19/03/11

      Of course it is easy to get 8000 people consisting of:

      useful idiots
      university students
      unemployed
      anarchists
      socialists
      communists

      100 people have to:

      take time off work
      save money from their meagre pension to catch public transport

    • L. says:

      02:29pm | 19/03/11

      “jumping all over something before any details have been released.”

      So why release it without details..??

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      03:39pm | 19/03/11

      Hey Martin ,
      23rd of March just the beginning of peoples revolt against this bullshit tax.
      Check times and places for this first one folks.
      But the big Gun on this is Abbott who has promised to take this all the way as a mandate to the next election and then you will see this IDIOTIC tax DEFEATED anyway.
      Aussies are against this tax,Take it to election now we’ll see who is right.

    • Joel B1 says:

      04:32pm | 19/03/11

      Yeah Martin, nothing beats a straight out brazen in your face lie does it?

      Still, you rusted ons must be hoping for a can of WD40 by now. It must really irk you to support a duplicitous, lying PM who almost managed to lose her first election despite the novelty value. Wow, what a great PM….

    • Martin Hopes says:

      11:30pm | 19/03/11

      TCB 24 X 7 - The election was held and Gillard won. To the other young libs - you should get out more - there is more to life than Alan Jones.

      Mark my words - Tony Abbott will not lead the LNP at the next election. I’m not a rusted on ALP voter but if I was I would be hoping Abbott does stay on as leader - he is the best asset the ALP have.

    • Tator says:

      01:38pm | 20/03/11

      Martin Hopes,
      Gillard did not win the election, the election provided a hung parliament.  What Gillard did do was negotiate support from the independents and Greens to provide the numbers she required to form government.  After all, both major parties won 72 seats each with a green, WA National and 4 independents filling the other 6 seats. 
      But had the members of Lyne and New England followed the wishes of their electorates about which party to support as the TPP from their electorates ( according to the AEC Lyne TPP Coalition 62.5 % ALP 37.5% and New England TPP Coaltion 66.8% to ALP 33.2%), Abbott would be PM right now

    • sam says:

      11:27am | 19/03/11

      omfg they way you people are going on you would think this is the first time a politician on either side has lied to you .wake up kiddies . if you do want this hound your local m.p. so they have to say no or be in fear of not getting re-elected

    • Protesting says:

      12:23pm | 19/03/11

      I have been doing it for ages Sam.  Won’t anyone join me?  No use just letting off steam online.  Write to your local, state and federal MP’s.  Not once, but over and over and over and over.  Put a stamp on the letter, and they have to answer your letter.  They try to fob you off, especially if you send an email with an automated reply.  Keep on their backs it is the only way.

    • Michael says:

      01:09pm | 19/03/11

      True, but it’s a collossal freaking lie! It’s not normal that any politician on any side of the shooting match would tell such a fundamental and massive lie. This is not like a little policy shift or a small change - like the “tweaks” to the NBN or changes to a minig tax. This is a really BIG deal. juliar has well and truly overstepped any mark!

    • Futureproof says:

      02:25pm | 19/03/11

      Sam, Sam, Sam - there is a BIG difference this time.  This is a TAX and if Gillard had the guts she would have gone to the people with it.  Now she is trying to introduce it by stealth, waiting for the Senate to be overrun with Stalinist Greens like Rhiannon.
      http://leerhiannon.org.au/about

    • Labor Ruined this Country says:

      10:45pm | 19/03/11

      This goes far beyond a lie. I think deceit is pehaps a better word for it. This tax will have a massive impact on the future of Australia and will render some industries unprofitable. Nobody seems to be at all concerned about how large the bureacracy will have to be to manage this joke of a tax. Anyway, I have my baseball bat ready for the NSW election and can’t wait to see the pathetic oposition that the 5 Labor MPs will make for the next 4 years.

    • Cameron E says:

      11:42am | 19/03/11

      I cannot understand why there has not been more conversation about the seriousness of the broken promise on carbon tax and hence blatant lie that our now prime minister told prior to the election. Given that the election result was SO CLOSE,any swinging voter that believed her and voted for labour on their position on a carbon tax, instead of the coalition or whoever, means that she could be prime minister because of this lie, which I find astonishing let alone sickening…....

    • kerry says:

      11:58am | 19/03/11

      You been in a coma for the past month, Cameron E?

    • Francine Hebert says:

      12:12pm | 19/03/11

      OMG A politician that didn’t tell the truth.
      What startling news.
      First time ever.
      I am shocked.

    • Bruce says:

      01:57pm | 19/03/11

      Cameron E. Agree. I know all politicians tell lies. Its part of the job. However, in Gillards case, she did make a clear promise of NO carbon tax while she was the leader. Answers such as its now good policy etc is NOT good enough. She needs to come clean as to who is forcing her to brake her solom promise. I think we all know who that is !  If Gillard believes we want a carbon tax, go to an election now. If she wins then the people of Australia will get a carbon tax.

    • james milton says:

      11:05pm | 19/03/11

      @Francine

      this wasn’t just ‘another lie’.

      this was one of the reasons the useless gillard won the election.

      big difference.

    • Que says:

      11:39pm | 19/03/11

      Francine. Why do I get the feeling that you are one of those unshaven smelly rabid lefties that squealed at any lie that came from the right of the extreme left?
      Convenient to dismiss it as a lie this time is it since your side of politics is one such fragile ground? Isn’t it time to pick up your welfare check?

    • Knemon says:

      12:44pm | 19/03/11

      Spot on Cameron E - I was going to vote for the Greens until I heard Julia say she would not introduce a carbon tax. If she had said the opposite, I would have voted for the LNP!! - BTW - If you believe anything said by politicians prior to an election, then more fool you.

    • Chungo mung says:

      12:52pm | 19/03/11

      How could there be more conversation about that? All we are ever bombarded with is cheap-shot drama and politiconflict. The issue is to consider the serious notion of carbon action, debate ideas, then hear the govt.‘s plan and process then debate on it more in an attempt to influence upon it. But here in democratic oz, we just argue and whinge no matter what is said. What ever the govt. does, the conservatives just seek to agress against them. Meanwhile supporters of the govt.  just engage on that beligerant discourse and desperately defend against what conservatives criticize regarding the Details of the way the govt. Does things. Face it. The govt is a labour coalition with greens and independents, which I understand frightens the pants off conservative voters but that is how the cookie has crumbled. Wear it people, and try to engage in real details of policy rather than politics for the sake of politics because it hinders progress. Polies don’t often do what they say, promises HAVE to change when deals are struck to form majorities, and action on climate change must be taken as it is a real issue in the real world.

    • brian m says:

      02:55pm | 19/03/11

      The questions remain; why did she do it and why the haste? I think we might have part of the answer if she were to tell us how much of the revenue being generated in 2012/13 will not be spent in that same year and will therefore be used to prop-up the budget surplus on which she staked her Govermment’s (read Wayne Swan’s) reputation as financial managers. Maybe Wayne applied a blowtorch to the belly.

    • the pieman says:

      07:27am | 20/03/11

      I wll tell you who Julias orders come from- the Elite who run the international banks, IMF, all he main media outlets most of Hollywood and the UN.
      The reason being they are all set to receive a huge chunk of all of the collected tax freight; not just here but worldwide.

      This is why we cant get the message out; the main media outlets will not cover it as per their orders from the owners-the Elite.
      Forget bungling Bob B he is merley a tool of these same people.

    • Cate P says:

      03:07pm | 19/03/11

      Good to see how increasingly lame the efforts to bring Abbott to the forefront of this ridiculous carbon tax announcement are.  And incidentally the people detained at Christmas Island have tended to give a little weight to Morrison’s words by their recent actions.  Another difficulty this govt has done nothing to resolve.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      05:29pm | 19/03/11

      I’m surprised about the picture put up for the article- It’s a little too intellectual for your average Liberal supporter. They ‘re still trying to come to terms with concepts like a heliocentric solar system, the world being round, and evolution…..

    • Joel B1 says:

      07:42pm | 19/03/11

      Nice one Shane. I’ll happily match my academic qualifications in science against yours any day.

      You can tell it’s the ALP, they always play the person, denigrate, demean, and vilify.

      Heliocentric my ass, can you spell “no mandate”? “minority government”? “one by-election away from the most humiliating defeat in Australian politics ever”?

      No? well I guess you’re an ALP stooge. It must really be a awful experience to be an ALP stooge with such a miserable government…

      Really, it laughable, here’s a list of Gillards achievements:””

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      09:17pm | 19/03/11

      @ Joel B1
      Nah, I hate all political parties equally, with the possible exceptions of the Australian Sex Party and the Sustainable Population Party.

      Why are Liberal flunkies so damn sensitive?

    • TimB says:

      08:49am | 20/03/11

      I love how the Labor stooges here always claim to hate all sides of politics. But one glance at their posts tells you that even if they’re telling the truth, in the end they make sure their preference ends up with Labor.

      It’s like they’re embarrassed to admit that they vote for Labor or something. Fair enough, I would be too.

    • Martin Hopes says:

      09:35am | 20/03/11

      TimB @ 08:49am. You know what I hate TimB? Anyone with a differing opinion to the conservatives is labelled a Labor stooge. Believe it or not Tim, some people are apolitical. Cheers.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      01:09pm | 20/03/11

      @TimB- Some of the things I advocate: Zero or severely limited immigration intake, abolishing middle class welfare, development of nuclear power stations, a carbon tariff, no compulsory internet filter, a financial transaction tax. Since absolutely none of these are ALP policy or likely to be ALP policy, I guess that makes me a Labor Stooge by your warped thinking….

    • Steve Putnam says:

      05:42pm | 20/03/11

      @Joel B1 What are your qualifications and why do you still believe in the geocentric model of the solar system? Cardinal Pell got to you has he?
      I notice Pell’s boss takes AGW far more seriously than he does installing solar panels in The Vatican and ordering that it become carbon neutral ASAP.

    • TimB says:

      08:41pm | 20/03/11

      Oh I’m so sorry Shane. Here I was confused by your childish dig at the intelligence of about 6 million Australians.
      Clearly I should have been paying attention to where you mentioned the swathe of random things you want Labor to do. I mean they’re all right there in your intial post aren’t they?

      You sure told me though, huh. I guess I was mistaken, your vote does end up with the Liberals after all. I mean that was the point you were trying to make with your criticism of Labor policies wasn’t it?

      @ Martin, apolitical people don’t toss out childish insults against the entire supporter base of a party. So how about I respond to Shane as I see fit, hmm?

    • Kevin Hicks says:

      05:30pm | 19/03/11

      Australia has had a lot to contend with over the years and we have embraced changes stoically, but always, with hope.  For the first time in my life I am seeing that hope disappearing in the eyes of many of my fellow Aussies.
      In a time when hysteria over Global warming reached a peak and their is a dramatic change in peoples perception over the true reason behind Climate Change.  People have realised not only has there been NO scientific evidence of man’ involvement altering the levels Australia’s levels are infinitesimal in the overall Global Emissions around the world, and will make no difference unless the large countries made the same changes which is not happening.
      So the Australian Government decided to introduce a Carbon Tax, When it was brought up before the election the government made several denial including the most succinct on by the PM.  She stated “There will be NO Carbon Tax under a Government I lead”  Well this was put to rest and people that believed it must be true voted for her instead of for the Coalition and these votes managed to win her a hung parliament after a dramatic swing against the ALP, and by virtue of a deal with the Greens on first preferences.  She used this and promises which of course are not made public to retain the Greens support and bought the support of a few independents to secure enough seats to retain Government.  We can say that is the nature of the system and accept this, knowing they have no mandate to introduce any policies outside of their election promises.
      However to secure Government The PM felt she no longer needed to keep promises she made before the election and introduced a Carbon Tax.  But this wasn’t all she Climate change Assembly she promised the people before the election was replaced with a “Multi-party panel for Climate change” but to go on this committee you not only had to agree with their stand on Climate Change, you needed to understand you were there to agree on a price for Carbon., and would be guided by Ross Garnaut on the price to be set
      The Government is compensating most of the big polluters, after they have passed the rise in costs on to us of course, so to all households, start adding your wages up, if it is above $120000 it is YOU that receives NO compensation, while Electricity suppliers, BHP and who knows who else will receive compensation. Like every other tax this Government brings out, the mid to higher income earners get to bend over and take it again.  Gillard had the cheek to say well people like me shouldn’t get it we can afford to absorb this, and fair enough she earns over $355,000 plus allowances, I think at 3x the $120,000 limit, what right does a person in her position have to say we earn enough???  She is earning about five times that of the average full-time adult salary of $67,116, as of February 2010.  So enough of your pious opinion Juliar.
      And if the Carbon Tax comes to pass in July, this is where our democracy fails, we will have a Government we never elected and therefore have no mandate for such an enormous change, we are suffering more financially than at any time in my lifetime, we have a Government that refuses to listen to the people, and claim we will come round to their thinking on what is really best for us?,  we have a minor party who have complete control over our government, say what they like, Labor can not even hold Government unless The Greens continue to support them and vote with them, we have independents that are ignoring the majority of their own electorates, and we have a minimum of 3 years of pain before we can get rid of the Government.
      Why should this occur when they never had the mandate to implement these policies, and in the Carbon Tax case lied about it even being introduced to win extra votes, which may well have been the difference in Government, and a reprieve for the pain many Australians are experiencing under this Governments policies.

    • the pieman says:

      09:43pm | 19/03/11

      I wonder what the David Marrs and the Peter Fitgeralds of this world will think about your so called rant.
      We all know it the truth; they do call it a rant you know-so go figure.

      We all need to explain to them, this CO2 gig is well and truly up!

      We know the drill very well -Step 1- first invent the problem.

      Step 2-Then invent a tax that will cure the so called problem.

      Can anyone supply me with 2 jam tins , 2 buttons and 400 mile of waxy string?  I need to call up silly ol Garnaut.

    • WhoTF in Wonderland says:

      06:00pm | 19/03/11

      I think she must be sooo desperate to hang on to power she really will do anything it takes. I couldn’t even imagine having brown or milne as neighbors let alone doing frogleaps with them. As an aside i’m just a little confused,,, before the election the real Joolya annoiunced “NO CARBON TAX” but after the election Jooliar announces a carbon tax because things have changed but just this week the real Joolya holds a press conference in one of her wellworn powerstiped pantsuits, ” that it is not the Greens making the decisions in Government” !!! Well correct me if thats not double speak for “I had the carbon tax in my mind the whole time but I’m happy to share the broken promise blame with the Greens because it’s what they want anyway” The real worry here is if this blase method of governance is her benchmark then everything else that the Greens want and she secretly wants can happen because she can blame it all on” having to negotiate with others”  Gay marrige law reform, more fishing exclusion zones even for recreational fishers, more national park and forestry lock outs even for hikers, even more tighter gun laws for law abiding citizens,  relaxed and open immigration/refugee policy,  to name just a few, I predicted Rudd was a convenient puppett for labour in 2007 and that he was an ego maniac who would loose his job before the first term. He was a dreamer, she’s a schemer, I also predict Jooliar will tell one too many fibs and Joolya will firmly stick her foot in it . Watch this space.

    • ATOM SPLITTER says:

      06:14pm | 19/03/11

      Shouldn’t that cartoon caption read,, one red carbon atom being circled by two green oxymorons!!!

    • Mouse says:

      12:17am | 20/03/11

      Yep, I’ll pay that one! rflmao

    • Louisa says:

      06:31pm | 19/03/11

      ... and don’t forget about the Flood Tax paid by us who earn over a certain amount.

    • Col. of Blackburn says:

      07:32pm | 19/03/11

      @Knemon
      But that is the whole point of having a ‘Carbon Tax’ (Actually a Carbon Dioxide Emissions Tax, but lets not worry about semantics shall we?) We are all afraid rising human induced temperatures, so we need to decrease the amount of CO2 and lower temperatures.

      What makes you think that our industries aren’t efficient and environmentally friendly in the first place?

    • Dr B S Goh says:

      08:34pm | 19/03/11

      The No 1 global problem is the continual global population growth. Global warming, famines, unrests, millions of boat people will be some of the nasty consequences of the continual global population growth. We are at the start of a global food shortage but the critical global food shortages within 50 years will create a tsunami of boat people before global warming makes life miserable for us.
      Assuming that human CO2 pollution is real and life threatening let us ask what the Fundamental Issue for Australia is. I submit firstly that global warming is a SCIENTIFIC Issue. Thus the PM needs to take advice from the Australian Chief Scientist as first step. The Chief Scientist has just resigned because she had not met the PM nor have a request from the PM for Advice on global warming. Furthermore, PM Rudd did not make real use of her services.
      The issue of global warming in Australia has been hijacked by Economists and the Chief Adviser on Global Warmer is a distinguished Economist, nothing personal here. We have been seduced by the hocus pocus of Economics Theory. Economics to date have given misleading sense that global warming can be effectively dealt with in Australia.
      But Economics Theory is at best one of the tools to fight global warming. To date it does not achieve the basic requirements for Australia namely, can any proposal from Economists in Australia produce any significant effect. The answer is a RESOUNDING NO.  I am available to have a public debate with anyone on this.
      The fact is that Australia CO2 pollution is less than 2% of human global CO2 pollution. Hence even if we join a group of nations which produces 20% of the global CO2 pollution to act now, it is USELESS and worse it is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. If a group of rich nations are pushed by excited groups of citizens to have carbon taxes and an ETS, it will DECREASE the MOTIVATION of the major polluters to act on it. The big polluters will laugh all the way to the bank, thank our warm hearts and steal some jobs from us.
      Hence as a Nation our GAME Plan now should be:
      i)  Play HARD ball and tell the big polluters to hell with you because Australia is among the top 5 nations which will survive if global warming turns nasty. Some of the big polluters will suffer serious consequences if global warming turns nasty and produce food shortages. We must focus on International Diplomacy. We should introduce carbon tax etc only if the top 60% of global CO2 polluters have an effective action plan

      ii)  We introduce a tax on our coal exporters which can be refunded fully if they demonstrate our coal exports are used in efficient power stations.

      iii)  We export uranium to India and others on conditions a) it is not used for weapons b) commitment to reduce CO2 pollution and c) commitment to reduce population growth.

    • Smat says:

      09:10pm | 19/03/11

      I would have liked to have commented. however, since trolls and troglodytes have taken over, I will retire. The EU is the third largest economy in the world and has taxed carbon for a while now without the carbon tax being the reason their economies are in trouble. If they started to put a price on imports, our exports to the EU would suddenly not look as lucrative as they do now.

    • Vaunted says:

      05:13am | 20/03/11

      Ah, the classic Green riposte. When logical argument fails, resort to name-calling, the classic leftist technique to promote propaganda and prejudice, ‘Gee, I don’t agree with the Smat, I must be a troll or a troglodyte’. My suggestion; listen to your mother, ‘If you can’t say nothing nice, say nothing at all.’

    • Ryan says:

      08:14am | 20/03/11

      So what is the KPI on this carbon tax? What is the measurable and intended outcome of this tax other than to deliver more money to Labor to waste.
      I mean if the carbon tax isn’t going to reduce the global temperature by a measureable amount every year, can someone please explain what the measure is. I thought this was all about global warming or is it?

    • Miss Dixie says:

      08:56am | 20/03/11

      All I can say is that this country is sinking slowly under Labor. First Kevin the Dud did the all talk zero action thing and now Gillard the useless is doing her darnest to be 100 times more incompetent than Rudd! Gillard needs to be out now. Public pressure is the only thing that can stop the carbon tax and the hopeless Gillard. I’m starting by voting out the ALP in NSW, next stop the Federal level. People Power will stop this Labor craziness so that our kids can have a worthy future!

    • Matt12 says:

      01:27pm | 20/03/11

      So our $ 25 a tonne CO2 scheme is to compete with overseas companies $2-3 one, yeah. that’ll work !

    • MMR Aunty Chick says:

      05:47pm | 20/03/11

      the Liberal Party ,the National Party and the Mass Media are the only stink bombs in Parliament House Canberra and in Parliament House Sydney.
      Even whaling stations smell better than those Unaustralian allies.

    • Glenn says:

      07:17pm | 20/03/11

      A valueless piece of thinly veiled partisan propaganda. the usual hypocritical and contradicting set of arguments; no consultation no plan but plenty of manufactured figures based on fiction to scare people; So is labor’s plan bad, or don’t they have one? Make up your mind. Another one is the coalition doesn’t really believe in climate change and/or there’s nothing we can do about it, but only the Liberals can tackle climate change. Another is the the contradiction between the Liberals professed commitment to markets as the sole arbiter of decent society with their alternative proposal of an ad hoc corporate welfare system for select corporations (the one’s that donate), ‘corps line up and petition the great Liberal party for a handout! Political favors and kickbacks appreciated!’ While attacking Labor for choosing a market mechanism with they misleadingly call a tax; which is a gross simplification. The GST was simply a tax on everything; literally.

    • sam says:

      08:27pm | 20/03/11

      you point some thing out to people and if your lucky one person gets it and the others cant see it cause they have there blinders on and can only see one thing which was a lie or an omission by one party of politicians . a lot of you people out there have gone mr.a.bolt over this shooting off before you know all of it . me i don’t like the idea of a carbon tax but for f*** sake let find out what it will cost before we go throwing out the baby with the bath water

    • Phill says:

      08:59am | 21/03/11

      It was tactical.  Announcing it was always going to hurt her in the polls so she did it now to give herself plenty of time to claw her way back before the next election.

    • Matt says:

      01:37pm | 08/04/11

      Gillard is a troll - Carbon Tax is Fraud

    • Robert says:

      04:36pm | 27/04/11

      There is no global warming crisis.

      Anyone who still thinks there is obviously believes everything they see on tv.

      Gillard is a fabian socialist puppet and the enemy of the Australian people.

 

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