Last September Julia Gillard rushed out her first ministry list and made a mistake no male Labor prime minister would have been allowed to live down. She forgot to appoint someone with responsibility for the status of women.

At the Royal Wedding. Pic: Britta Campion

A few days later she fixed up that error by giving the job to Kate Ellis. The rebuke from feminists was mild. The first woman Prime Minister, sworn in by Australia’s first woman Governor-General, was not going to be savaged on her first official pronouncement.

It is absurd to argue that the fact Gillard is a woman has not affected the conduct of politics in Australia. It so obviously has.

Even the criticism has undergone a gender shift. Those placards at March’s No Carbon Tax rally referring to a “witch” and a “bitch” were a minority, but showed how glibly the emphasis has been turned on the fact that the prime minister is a “her” for the first time.

It is an easy distinction, but points to a more profound distrust held by some in the capacity of a woman to lead the nation.

But other consequences of the gender overhaul in The Lodge have appeared to some slightly amusing.

There have been mutterings among some women reporters that Gillard “flirts” with their male colleagues, leaving the boys tittering and beaming at her special attention and jokes during press conferences.

Some of these miffed women might have swooned over a chat with Paul Keating or been charmed by Hawkie, but a flirty female PM - and it is low-voltage flirt if it exists at all - is unacceptable.

Some female political writers have given the prime minister fashion advice - not just in passing, but as a theme of their pieces.

There were stories written about Paul Keating’s suits, and his bald spot, John Howard’s eyebrows and tracksuits, and Kevin Rudd’s Milky Bar Kid locks. But none of those examinations had the intensity of the detailed inspection given to Gillard’s hair - colour and style - earlobes, and dress choices.

The attention has been branded sexist, but it also reaffirms that in politics as elsewhere, women often dress to meet standards set by other women.

The interest isn’t just in Gillard. Queensland’s Anna Bligh had a celebrated public discussion about her use of Botox which ran on most TV bulletins and in several newspaper pages. There is a senior female gallery reporter who, on first meeting Kristina Keneally, asked how she kept the distinctive Keneally swoop in her hair. The then NSW Premier readily went through the whole operation in detail.

Niki Savva in The Australian in November contributed to the Gillard fashion advice by calling on Gillard to develop a political agenda, and then get a new hair stylist and “pack up all her clothes and send them to the Smith Family”.

Elsewhere, there was the Sydney talkback radio caller who wanted to know whether taxpayers covered the bill for Gillard’s tampons. The essential debate about Gillard’s sex has been broader but not necessarily more sophisticated.

One of her female colleagues believes a significant part of Gillard’s political problems, specifically her struggle to have the minority Labor government accepted by voters as legitimate, is that she is a woman.

This Gillard supporter is convinced that the Opposition has a male core who privately list her gender as a disqualification from holding the job. It is as if some believe a law of nature has been upturned.

The Labor woman’s theory would be forgettable were it not for the intensity of the abuse of Gillard and the clear reality that many of the attacks would not be used against a man.

In May 2007, Liberal senator Bill Heffernan launched into her—while Gillard was deputy Opposition leader—for being “deliberately barren”, and therefore ineligible to be a national leader.

“One of the great understandings in a community is family, and the relationship between mum, dad and a bucket of nappies,” he said.

He apologised two days later. Gillard said she hadn’t taken as much umbrage as women who had sped to defend her and berate Heffernan. She could flick a sexist attack from the likes of Bill Heffernan off the bottom of her shoe without breaking stride.

But it was harder to do when Mark Latham used his Financial Review column to make the same point as Heffernan - that Gillard’s childless state makes her an inadequate leader.

Latham, who selected Gillard as his deputy when he led the ALP, said she could not be education minister because of her lack of parental experience. He has maintained that view into her prime ministership.

He also argued she needed to be associated with an “alpha male” to succeed. Gillard was hurt to anger. She tried to hide it, but the sense of betrayal was there.

Only a male would toss around a woman’s reproductive history as if it were a genuine matter of public interest and public inspection.

The prime minister isn’t the only politician given special attention because of her sex. The front page of The Australian announced the elevation of Lara Giddings to the Tasmanian premiership by leading with the fact she was single and “still looking for Mr Right”.

Margaret Thatcher was always seen as a woman. Ditto Angela Merkel of Germany, and Burma’s Aung San Suu Kyi. But it became an incidental fact as attention shifted to how they did their jobs, not how their chromosomes were arranged.

The same will happen to Gillard should she get a regular term in office. And that could be a critical issue soon for Australian politics.

If the Gillard Government looks like it will go down, there will be women forced to decide whether they could allow a defeat which might be used to disqualify other women from becoming prime minister.

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    • John C says:

      06:06am | 02/05/11

      Nothing to do with gender. It is all about the justifiable perception that she and the party that she leads have no firm point of principle as the basis for government.

    • Vaunted says:

      06:35am | 02/05/11

      Or competence to govern.

    • dovif says:

      08:57am | 02/05/11

      agree

      it is not the gender

      It is the incompetence

      It is the border protection, the insulation, the green loans, the mining tax, the lies, the budget and the carbon tax

      It would not matter whether she is a donkey or a martian, with that many stuff ups, they were always going to be in trouble

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      09:20am | 02/05/11

      Agree John C. 
       
      She has lied from the day she took office. 
       
      Maybe someone could make a point that she lied more because she is a woman, but I doubt it. She lied because she is Julia Gillard and that’s what she does. 
       
      When she loses office it will be because of the litany of untruths she has spouted. No carbon tax .... a processing centre in East Timor for illegals .... childcare places ... the list goes on.

    • Kelvin says:

      10:34am | 02/05/11

      Her and her government’s wasteful incompetence is the real issue - not the gender of the PM. Oh and in case we forget - her liberal dealings with the truth AKA the lies that she tells.

    • Mayday says:

      10:42am | 02/05/11

      Such a shame our first female PM is our worst PM!!

    • Bruce says:

      11:34am | 02/05/11

      Only judge a politician for the job they are elected to do. No politician, of any sex deserve any favours. They are put there to serve us “honestly” and to the “best of their ability”. Anything less is FAILURE. If they can not meet up to these two basic expectations, vote them out !

    • Dave says:

      12:26pm | 02/05/11

      The real reason Gillard’s a spin-ster?

      She can’t be trusted with the national credit card. Ever since she came to power, she’s been using it 31.5% ($11.1bn) MORE than the Fairy Ruddfather did. Just to manage the weekly cashflow - http://bit.ly/moD6H6

    • CityWorker says:

      12:49pm | 02/05/11

      I think old Mal is looking to cast aspersions on those criticising his dear leader as somewhat lesser beings… perhaps even “sexists” (*gasp*). It’s amazing to see the degree to which the US left wing press do precisely the same thing to Obama’s critics, labelling them racist every time they point out any number of his failings. In either case, what becomes apparent is that Malcolm and his US ilk seem unable to refute the criticisms, and instead turn on the messenger.

      Tell us Mal, sexism aside: Just how does Julia’s empty nest help her understand the pressures of family life? Do you assert she doesn’t ever flirt with male colleagues (just ask Craig Emmerson)?

    • Jd says:

      01:15pm | 02/05/11

      Completely disagree!. Anyone who has spent any amount of time at the Corporate end of business would invariable acknowledge that the majority of women who are appointed senior positions cannot cope with the stress of responsibility or decision making. The last 40 odd years of equality only further support my opinion.  Women have been given ample opportunity (education wise and employment) to succeed.  Needless to say, the results have been less than impressive. Obviously Government agrees, otherwise there wouldn’t been sinister little government departments popping up, with the aim of propping up women.

    • JohnB says:

      02:22pm | 02/05/11

      That youtube vid is the bomb Shauna…......Love it…God help us men. Woman don’t know what they want, and men and kids suffer because of it.

    • Toady says:

      06:20pm | 02/05/11

      Here’s a thought, Mal Farr.  Stop barracking for these hopeless losers running this country, and stop making excuses for the redheaded clown who calls herself Prime Minister.  Be a real journalist and remain impartial, and report real news.  Jerkoff.

    • MargD says:

      06:48pm | 02/05/11

      A big hand to you John C, what a lot of rot from Malcolm Farr.  It has nothing to do with gender it’s about a person who is so incompetent she couldn’t run a garage sale.

    • Govt@FauxCitizen says:

      12:14am | 03/05/11

      Gillard is only a Woman by gender definition, I know blokes who are more feminine than Gillard, my wife is a selfless woman who reached her full potential as a mother and hard working home maker, I’m truly blessed with a wonderful wife to give me strength and inspiration in greater quantities than I could possibly reciporicate in one lifetime, now that’s my definition of a W.O.M.A.N…  I admire and respect any blessed Woman who makes the conscious decision, to embrace and cherish the gift of motherhood in the same way that I made the conscious decision as a Man gifted with fatherhood. What is Gillards perception of being a woman? the fact that she has a vagina and breasts, in much the same way men grow hair on their testicals but they will only ever aspire to be men.

    • Jon says:

      08:16am | 03/05/11

      Malcolm Farr, if you are trying to blame the incompetence of this government on gendre, it is about time you consider retirement.

      More tired excuses from the Canberra Group Think collective.

      Gillard & Swan are out of their depth. No amount of tricks can hide they do not have the substance to lead the country.

    • Peter T. says:

      09:01am | 03/05/11

      John C - I totally agree with you. Her gender is irrelevant. Her incompetence and her lies (“There will be no carbon tax under any government I lead”) are highly relevant!

    • Sarah says:

      02:15pm | 03/05/11

      Prime Minister Gillard is battling misogynist attacks from even silly women such as comments about her hair when she was in Japan in front of the nuclear disaster.It is time we all gave her a good and fair go to be the excellent Prime Minister she is proving to be.

    • James Hunter says:

      05:09pm | 03/05/11

      JohnC,
      You have certainly bought all the liberal stooges out for a run. Pity they so spoil things for those of serious intellect and social conscience. Two areas incidentally where she thrashes Foney Rabbit.
      People pick on her gender because they do not have any serious comments to make and certainly are armchair warriors who would be useless at running a country.

    • Erick says:

      06:12am | 02/05/11

      The last desperate resort for a failing female politician is to play the gender card.

      We’ve seen it before from so many female pollies. When they lose popularity and elections, they bleat about “sexism” and complain they’re being picked on because they’re women. In reality, women get preferential treatment in most areas of life, including politics, since men have evolved a protective instinct toward females.

      To her credit, Julia Gillard has not yet played this card herself. However, her supporters don’t hesitate to use it whenever she slips in the polls.

    • Jedi_T says:

      07:10am | 02/05/11

      I agree Erick.
      However a more important fact (that Mal skims over at the end) is the damage she has done for future female PM’s.
      Her failure here wont be seen as a personal failure, but as a gender & party failure and will have repercussions for both in the future.

    • Phil says:

      07:37am | 02/05/11

      Erick you are spot on, as is John C, the publics dislike for Gillard has nothing to do with her reproductive organs, but her inability to get the job done. I have never seen a more cuddling up piece written of excuses for her lack of policy, direction and ability to perform and simply get the job done than the above trash written by Mal, who it would appear is more in love with Julia than her hairdresser.

      Mal a couple of facts-
      1. She doesnt dress well. That is a fact. For someone on $7000 a week salary who doesnt have to fork out much of her own coin for anything but clothes and any personal mortgage etc, she could do a lot better. FFS employ a stylist of whatever is available to women.
      2. She has apparently died her hair a brighter shade of red to be more noticed. (in her defence my wife a hairdresser says it looks terrible but with her skin tone red is the only option, however the shade is terrible)
      3. She appeared disconnected during the QLD disasters, compared to the weather woman, who did appear genuine.
      I dont care who she sleeps with and whilst it does take two to tango, was involved with another married labor minister in a sexual relationship.
      4. Australians dont like liars. Before all the core and non core comes out, the carbon tax was a lie, even Mark Kenny now acknowledges that one. She is struggling and will continue to struggle. Labors primary will sink into the 20’s shortly. That is electoral wipeout. Yes no pole right now, but Windsor and Oakshott would be getting very nervous right now, their communities do not like this government and will punish them, plus the pokie issue will plague her for a while.

      Labor love to have a go at Tony Abbott and his swinwear, particularly the fact that he competes in beach/surf competitions in which his choice of attire is the preferred choice of everyone else in the competition.

      Gillard whilst celebrated by the womens weekly and others at the time as our first female prime minister, has put back the roles of women significantly due to her lack of promise delivery.

      I actually thought that she would do a better job than KRudd. The longer she continues as PM the better he looks, mind you I do think a lot of her issues are with Wayne Swan who is clearly out of his depth.

      In the photo, the look on the hairdressers face is like “my mouth is as dry as a ....  .....  Where is the beer.

    • Erin says:

      08:35am | 02/05/11

      @Jedi_T
      So sexism isn’t a problem in Australian politics, yet when ONE female politician loses popularity and consequently office, ALL WOMEN are tarred with the same brush? Sounds to me like there is definitely a problem. “Nope, tried a lady and we didn’t like her budget decisions. NO MORE WOMEN”

    • Tubesteak says:

      08:49am | 02/05/11

      Eric
      Playing the gender card for either gender is poor form. It’s as bad as playing the race or class card. It’s a desperate act from someone with few options left.

      Phil
      What man at a weeding isn’t thinking “where’s the beer?”? Also, “where’s the food?”
      Sitting through boring wedding ceremonies demands beer as a reward.

    • Helen says:

      08:51am | 02/05/11

      So women “always” play the gender card. Yes, and of course, there have been sufficient numbers of Australian female PMs to test this assertion. Oh, wait…
      You say “playing the gender card”, I say “pointing out the structural inequalities resulting from a still largely patriarchal society”. I guess that’s because you’re so protective - right? Don’t let the poor dears worry about realities.

    • Erick says:

      09:00am | 02/05/11

      @Helen - ‘So women “always” play the gender card.’

      Obviously you didn’t even read my comment before replying to it. I actually said “many female pollies”, and I specifically excluded Ms Gillard.

      In other words, you are pretending I said exactly what I did not say - a typical feminist tactic.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      09:19am | 02/05/11

      Jedi T, you sound like one of the idiots who were saying that Gail Kelly had set back the career of women in the boardroom a couple of years ago. Westpac’s still making a profit.

    • john says:

      09:44am | 02/05/11

      @Helen we forgive you if you state that your fingernails obviously got caught between the keyboard letters when you wrote your comment and you accidentally clicked on the ‘submit’  as your were trying to release them.

    • Liam says:

      10:43am | 02/05/11

      Agree Erick,
      However its not just Females, if anyone falls from grace in the public eye, its always because of there perceived differences (race, gender, religion) rather than the fact they are just useless numpties.

    • Kevin says:

      11:04am | 02/05/11

      @Erick’s reply to Helen.
      Nice try Erick.
      Your opening post begins “The last desperate resort for a failing female politician is to play the gender card.”  This is unmistakeably put forward as a general comment.
      And you haven’t “specifically excluded Ms Gillard”, you stated that she “has not yet played this card”.  “Yet” being the operative word.
      Your comments are clear and your attempt to worm out of them by relying on technicalities and hair splitting is, dare I say, a typical male tactic.

    • Matthew says:

      11:17am | 02/05/11

      Jedi_T is right, she’s damaged the role for other females and it’s not because of her poor dress sense.  It’s because:

      1. She looks and acts fake.  Too much makeup, not enough “fluid” moment and she shows no emotion.  Something we’d expect from a male PM but a female should show far more emotion.
      2. She’s weak.  She pretends she’s strong but she is so very weak, even for a female.  Come out and say you’ll do something and do it, you’ll get a lot more respect.  Lying makes you look bad because you’ve done the wrong thing, but more importantly it makes you look like you’re too weak to keep your promises.

    • Mick says:

      11:17am | 02/05/11

      @Kevin, I’d like to know which handbag your balls are in, and could you please go and retrieve them

    • JohnnyQ says:

      11:24am | 02/05/11

      Phil, just he reaffirm your point.

      Wayne Swan was never in his depth, you never hear anything come out of his mouth that doesn’t change a week later.

      The difference between Wayne Swan and Peter Costello is quite easily explained. If one of the Banks CEO’s were to retire tomorrow and they had to choose either Wayne Swan or Peter Costello to run the bank - I think everyone either sides of politics knows who would get the job. Costello actually knew how to crunch numbers and setup a “Reserve Bank” that controlled all the other banks on our shores.

    • taxed citizen says:

      12:02pm | 02/05/11

      “Evolved proiptective instinct ” ? anything can be supported by “scientific"claim of an evolutionist.
      Statistic of dimestic violonce shows something different and rather supports Darwin’s ideas of women inferiority rooted deeply in the society. Gillard is simply more interested in dresses and hats than detention centres…

    • Dave says:

      12:12pm | 02/05/11

      @ Phil - agree 100%. She is not capable of doing her job, that’s why the public don’t like her.

      I read the article where Nikki Savva suggested she hired a stylist. That was solid gold advice that simply not been taken. If she wants to be a prime minister, she should look the part, and at the moment she looks anything but. If she did send her clothes to the Smith family or the Salvo’s, they would probably send them straight back to her.

      Gillard will seriously damage women’s chances of becoming PM, or holding senior positions at all for that matter. Look at Keneally, do you think that a female will be elected as leader of NSW Labor anytime soon? I highly doubt it.

    • John A Neve says:

      12:31pm | 02/05/11

      Erick,
      Says “The last desperste resort for a failing female politician is to play the gender game”.

      Sadly Erick, any one one reading your posts would know you have always played the “gender game”.
      What I’ve not worked out just yet, is what gender you really are?
      In fact, I am not sure Erick really exists.

    • Jedi_T says:

      02:09pm | 02/05/11

      @Erin,
      That is the point I was trying to make.
      Perhaps I should have been clearer, or just blurted it out.
      Its the unforunate nature of politics.
      @ Rover
      Your talking about Private Vs Public. And your also talking about area of affect.
      Julia is held accountable by an entire nation, something like 20+ million people. Gail Kelly was held accountable by a a board of probably no more than 100.
      Apples & oranges friend.

    • Mouse says:

      03:52pm | 02/05/11

      Sorry Eric, but gillard does play the gender card. She giggles and simpers and touches. A very feminine ploy!
      I wish everyone would ignore the gender BS. gillard is first and foremost Australia’s PM. gillard has a job that she is well paid to do. Who cares what colour her hair is or what brand of undies she wears. gillard is not some novice off the street, she is a seasoned politician and she knows how the system works. Somewhere along the line she has forgotten what she is there for. gillard is a public servant and works for us. gillard is pretty damn useless as a PM,  not because she is female, but because she is a poll driven liar. Using her gender is an excuse, not a reason!

    • Erin says:

      04:36pm | 02/05/11

      @Jedi_T
      So you were making the point that sexism against women in politics is not a problem as they actually get preferential treatment (Erick’s point, with which you agreed) and at THE SAME TIME arguing that sexism is rampant in politics, demonstrated by general belief that because one woman didn’t do a good job, no woman is capable of doing so?

    • Bev says:

      08:00pm | 02/05/11

      taxed citizen says:12:02pm | 02/05/11

      “Evolved proiptective instinct ” ? anything can be supported by “scientific"claim of an evolutionist.
      Statistic of dimestic violonce shows something different and rather supports Darwin’s ideas of women inferiority rooted deeply in the society.

      Did you watch BBC Miniseries “Human Planet,” ?  Just watching that would put the lie to what you say.  Men putting their lives on the line daily to feed and support their families. Not a woman in sight!
      Domestic violence,  what you read is mostly feminist propaganda and porkies.  Its mostly not about protecting women its about hatred of men and protecting and advancing a vast industry which supports large numbers of parasites earning a good living from the public trough.  I suggest you do a some homework.  You will find that men comprise 1/3 of DV victims and are more likely to be seriously injured because women use weapons.  In any case only 30% of DV is physical violence most is non physical. As more real studies are done (rather than feminist advocacy slanted research) a truer picture is emerging which is nothing like what you are told.

    • baal says:

      08:44am | 03/05/11

      @ John Neve.
      I am begining to think that Erick is a self hating lesbian.

    • Super D says:

      06:15am | 02/05/11

      Mal you have a talent for comedy.

      “If the Gillard Government looks like it will go down”

      I’m not sure where you have to be sitting to see any chance of it not going down.

    • Freeman says:

      11:52am | 02/05/11

      That’s true, super D. The ALP is gone.

      To be fair to Gillard, Taking the reins off Ruddy was much like taking a hospital pass after he made the mess he did (excepting the fact she effectively took the ball off him)

    • Peter Parfitt says:

      01:04pm | 03/05/11

      Gillard played a major role in that mess.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:34am | 02/05/11

      Her gender isn’t an issue.

      Back-stabbing of KRudd left a bad aftertaste.

      Her lack of performance and cold. fake personality are a problem.

      Please don’t compare her to Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel or Aung San Suu Kyi, unlike her they have style, grace and dignity.

      The failures of the ALP with be due to her incompetent, amateurish performance, and not her gender.

    • Rosie says:

      08:36am | 02/05/11

      Against the Man

      You are so right.  Her gender was never the issue, she was soiled goods after backing-stabbing her leader., the people’s elected PM.Then it only worsened with the real/fake Julia and to top it off was the carbon tax lie.

      As a female it was a sad day for me, when I should have been rejoicing the historic triumph of our first woman PM. Unfortunately, because of the political baggage she will carry around for the rest of her, I have no respect for her as the nation’s PM.

    • kerry says:

      08:43am | 02/05/11

      I suppose you’d agree that McMahon backstabbing Gorton in 1971 left a bad aftertaste for you too? After all, John Gorton was the PM at the time and of that coup brought about by the joint auspices of the Foreign and Defence Ministers - Billy McMahon and Malcolm Fraser. Or is okay for men to do it and not women? Or is it okay for the LNP to do but not Labor?

      At the time there wasn’t continuous tub-thumping about back-stabbling. It was accepted as part of the political process. If the LNP didn’t agree with the leader at the time, the PM, then it was up to the party room to decide - not a vicious media campaign encouraging an equally vicious public outcry.

      The white noise generated by the press and regurgitated ad nauseum by LNP supporters - to whit “her lack of performance and cold, fake personality” - denies any real assessment of Gillard and any of the legislation that has been passed during her primeministership.

      That’s too boring for the press at large. They’re too lazy or it’s too hard to do the conscientious analysis required - so much easier to deride her, and especially by some female journalists their bitchiness barely disguised, but followed by a lot of the male journos as well.

      The ALP has not failed yet. That’s just your opinion or wishful thinking, not a fact.

    • CD says:

      09:22am | 02/05/11

      @Kerry…...please please after that extraordinary long comment feel free to post further on all the good Labor have put the country through. Don’t hold back now. Start on Villawood v Bowen’s own electoral office for a standout example of Labor policies and their fairness between citizens here and those already rejected by this country as refugees.

    • kerry says:

      11:06am | 02/05/11

      @CD
      I note you failed to address any of the points I made, just had a go at the length of the comment. What are you, a sub-editor? A lazy journo? Or just an LNP regurgitator of white noise?

      Here’s some stats for starters on the good Labor has done. To make it easy for you to digest, I’ll compare those stats with Canada, a country of similar size and population, and with whom Australia is often compared:
      Measure Australia Canada
      Unemployment 4.9%  7.7%
      Inflation 2.7%  3.3%
      Public Debts / GDP estimate 21.9%  81.7%
      Interest rate 4.75%  0.25%
      Growth rate 3.3%  3.3%
      $A/Can / US$ 1.09   0.95

      Now, Australia didn’t have a recession due to the GFC because of the actions taken by the Labor government, although you wouldn’t know it judging by comments that, for all intents and purposes, deny that the GFC even happened. That we avoided a recession, that it didn’t happen to us, is used to say that the GFC didn’t happen at all.

      I will address your asylum seeker comment, which deserves a reply considering you appear to believe that asylum seekers are getting preferential treatment over Australian citizens, later, as I have to go out for a while.

    • Ryan says:

      11:31am | 02/05/11

      @kerry: this statement “Now, Australia didn’t have a recession due to the GFC because of the actions taken by the Labor government ” is not fooling anyone and falls directly into the same category of another famous Labor statement “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead”.

    • Polly says:

      11:39am | 02/05/11

      Agreed,  Against the Man. The fact Gillard is a woman is not really the issue. As Mal implies, it’s her incompetence and inability to grasp the whole picture on major issues.  One must not forget, Gillard lied when she said there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead. btw – the hat looks like a fly catcher. wink

    • CD says:

      11:55am | 02/05/11

      @Kerry…..wrong on all counts. I’ve been a Labor voter all my life until the last election when I decided to get a brain and look at results. Decades of voting my little pumpkin.

      Don’t bother with your refugee crap as your belief is that I hate them all- wrong-but your lot always find the need to divert from a single question asked with no except to waffle how hard done by those causing all the havoc in detention are.

      I am so not interested unless you justify one question alone. Why were 3 rejected refugees allowed to stay up on a roof after the destruction at Villawood for 11 days when the 3 idiots on Bowen’s roof were brought down in 3 hours? I don’t give a damn whether anyone was an Oz citizen or not so get your facts straight first before you start your reply.

      As to comparisons? Not interested in your cherry picking one country and esp seeing the mess and debt we now have. Are you denying that? Denying Labor came to power with a surplus and now we owe billions to China and India alone? No mention of that by you huh?  Yeah I voted for Labor that election. Not anymore.

      As for unemployment figures. They are such a great fudge when you look at how they are derived. Take people from the dole and onto disability and hey presto you have a nice little drop in figures. That’s just one example.

    • kerry says:

      01:04pm | 02/05/11

      @Ryan
      “Australia didn’t have a recession due to the GFC because of the actions taken by the Labor government” is not a Labor statement, it is an OECD statement therefore your attempt to draw an analogy with Gillard’s statement prior to the election is a furphy.

      Nevertheless, Gillard did make that statement – and I would say she made it in reference to leading a Labor government, not a minority government. That is, things changed. Still, I don’t personally know Julia Gillard, so I have no knowledge if it was her intent to maliciously deceive the Australian public; I’d say no, but then that’s just my opinion. I’d hazard a guess that you don’t know Gillard personally, and that you, too, have no idea whether she deliberately set out to deceive the public either. So, it’s your opinion, not a fact.

      I remember the press blasted Paul Keating when he reneged on his LAW tax cuts. And Howard also copped a blast for his “core and non-core” promises. Both had made public statements before an election about promises that were subsequently broken but neither were accused of deliberately lying to the Australian public at the time.

      I don’t believe Julia Gillard is being hounded over this broken promise because she is a woman. I believe it is because minority government could have gone either way and the LNP are still smarting over the fact that three independents and one Green decided to back Labor. That’s why this is being depicted the way it is, otherwise it would be just another example of the cut and thrust of politics.

    • john says:

      01:09pm | 02/05/11

      CD says: “As for unemployment figures. They are such a great fudge when you look at how they are derived.”

      Spot on. Working 1 hour a fortnight is considered EMPLOYED and not part of the unemployment statistics.

      Given 35% of Australians are on some sort of welfare, the unemployment rate is a pack of outright lies. The more we all believe those statistics the worse off we will all be.

      Why don’t we have a true unemployment rate that if you work less than 25 hours a week your underemployed and less than 20 hours your unemployed. Then lets see the true picture of unemployment.

    • Ryan says:

      01:20pm | 02/05/11

      @kerry: “So, it’s your opinion, not a fact.” incorrect, the fact is that she made that statement and reneged on in straight after being elected. That is the fact.
      As laughable as it is, lets just assume for a minute that Gillard did not intend to maliciously deceive the Australian public, fine, however what is fact is that she preferred to break a promise to the Australian people to strike deals to get herself into power. What does that mean then, she puts her own political aspirations ahead of the Australian people?

      Whichever way you look at it, either she intentionally set out to deceive or that her own personal political aspirations are ahead of the financial stability and economy of Australia and Australians and the tens of thousands of jobs that will go offshore when this back flip is realised.
      Either way, her incompetency in the job and the title of being “worst prime minister in history” will stick with her for eternity.

    • John says:

      01:32pm | 02/05/11

      @ Kerry

      “Now, Australia didn’t have a recession due to the GFC because of the actions taken by the Labor government…”

      Yet America took the same measures and still went into recession… The stimulus package didn’t prevent the recession, Australias close proximity and economic reliance on Asia, our resouce based economy and stringent economic reform started by Keating and later cemented by Howard/Costello prevented the recession. Notice that none of the Asian countries, bar Japan (whom are highly dependent on their automotive industry) were badly affected? It wasn’t a coincidence…

    • kerry says:

      01:56pm | 02/05/11

      @CD
      No, I’m not wrong on all counts.

      1.You did not address any of the points I made in my comment.
      2.If you voted LNP at the last election that makes you an LNP voter, and if you are going to continue to support the LNP, then you are not a Labor voter regardless of how many times you voted for them in the past, rather you are an LNP supporter.
      3.I have not made a comment on the refugee issue yet. I said I would address it later. Which I will.
      4.I don’t believe you hate all refugees.
      5.You asked what good Labor had done. I posted economic data that shows how well Labor has done, but you say you’re not interested in that ‘good.’
      6.I did not cherry-pick data, I showed the comparison between Australia and Canada. Check out Australia with the rest of the OECD and you’ll see how well we are travelling.
      7.I do not agree that we are in a mess economically, as the data I posted shows.
      8.I do not deny that there was a $20 billion surplus when Labor came to power.
      9.I believe that to avoid a recession it was necessary to spend that surplus.
      10.USA foreign debt to GDP ratio: 110%; Japan: 187%
      11.You are confusing two issues. The surplus and foreign debt. The debt owed to India and China is private debt – not government debt.
      12.I agree that the unemployment figures are fudged. And for your information, this started on Paul Keating’s watch. So I don’t blame the LNP for that. Both Labor and the LNP seem to want to get people off the DSP and into work, so it will be interesting to see what effect this has on the employment data from here on.
      13.You demanded I start with a comment about Villawood v Bowen as an answer to how good Labor is doing. I don’t believe it is a simple issue; I believe it deserves a considered reply. Not a bit of sloganeering.
      14.I did misunderstand your comment about Australian citizens versus asylum seekers; perhaps a bit of clarity on your part would have prevented that misunderstanding.
      15.As this post is now long enough, I will submit it and get back to you with a response to the Villawood v Bowen crisis.

      Fair enough?

    • kerry says:

      02:25pm | 02/05/11

      @Ryan
      “the fact is that she made that statement and reneged on in straight after being elected. That is the fact.”
      So did Keating and Howard, as I pointed out to you. And that’s a fact.

      “fact is that she preferred to break a promise to the Australian people to strike deals to get herself into power. What does that mean then, she puts her own political aspirations ahead of the Australian people?”
      Tony Abbott was willing to strike deals to get himself into power. Had he won, which would have been on the back of making deals that were not taken to the Australian people at the election, and thus could have been interpreted as breaking promises, would you then accuse him of putting his political aspirations ahead of the Australian people?
      As I said, you are stating an opinion, not a fact.

      “ahead of the financial stability and economy of Australia and Australians”
      Here’s a fact for you. Abbott promised Wilkie $1 billion for the Hobart hospital, on top of a $10 billion black hole in the LNP’s budgetary costings. That’s putting his own interests ahead of the financial and stability and economy of Australia and Australians. And that’s a fact.

      “and the tens of thousands of jobs that will go offshore when this back flip is realised”
      Conjecture at the moment, old son. Not a fact.

    • Ryan says:

      02:42pm | 02/05/11

      @kerry: but I could care less about Howard, Keating and Abbott, they are not the prime minister, they are not the ones who lied to the Australian people and are hell bent on destroying our jobs and our economy in furtherance of their own political aspirations.
      Pointing to something someone else “might” do or others might have done in “your own opinion” as justification is not justification at all.
      The facts are in her actions, and we already know she has lied not once but on multiple occasions. The truth is something that Gillard will readily sacrifice, this is a FACT proven by the many times she has been caught out lying.

    • kerry says:

      03:12pm | 02/05/11

      @Ryan - you don’t seem to have much comprehension of the discipline of logic. Whether you care or not, the relevance of Howard and Keating to this topic is that both backflipped on promises after they were elected PM. They were not called liars at the time.

      Gillard is not hellbent on destroying Australia’s jobs and economy in furtherance of her own aspirations. That’s just your opinion. Australia’s employment and economy are in good shape. That’s a fact.

      You make a claim that she has not only lied on multiple occasions but has shown it by her actions. Where? Back up your claim with evidence. State the times and places. Give proof. Provide a link. Just because you say she lied does not make it true. It’s your opinion. It’s not fact.

    • stevem says:

      03:44pm | 02/05/11

      Kerry, A case of the pot calling the kettle black. Just because somebody else did something (lied) does not excuse others for behaving improperly. Blaming someone for poor logic using that argument is a bit hypocritical.

    • Ryan says:

      04:54pm | 02/05/11

      @kerry:
      - “She declared there was more chance of her playing full forward for the Bulldogs than there was of change in the Labor leadership. That was last May. She took over the prime ministership the following month.”

      - She declared “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead” and start implementation of a carbon tax within months of being elected.

      - The obvious lie of intending to process refugees offshore in East Timor full knowing that the East Timorese government had already told her to sod off.

      - She claimed there was no waste in the BER (not to mention offensively labeling Paul Fletcher an “idiot” when questioned) then later vowed no repeat of the BER waste. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillard-vows-no-repeat-of-ber-waste-over-flood-and-cyclone-recovery/story-fn59niix-1226001815174

      Whether you attempt to shirk the facts that she is a regular and pathological liar by claiming it is “my opinion” clearly stating that she is not a liar is just “your opinion”.

    • Grant says:

      06:18pm | 02/05/11

      @ Kerry:

      You say you are comparing us to Canada because of a similar “Size and population”... What school did you last go to? Did you even go to one? Because last time I checked, we had around 21 million, and Canada has 35 million. Yes, that’s right, they have almost double our population. Please sit down now and let the grown ups talk.

    • Against the Man says:

      07:15pm | 02/05/11

      The inflation rate is 3.3% for Australia Mach 2011.

      If you talk to the average Australian, I’m sure they won’t be thrilled at how this country is going.

      Gilltard is a terrible PM, look at the poll figures. People are not happy at what is going on in this country.

      If the ALP were doing so well they would be reigning supreme in NSW/VIC, but the Federal government hasn’t learnt from the mistake of the States. If they were doing well we would have a bucket load of articles on how well the ALP is doing and the poll numbers would be through the roof, word from Canberra if you choose to believe the rumours of internal ALP polling is that currently they are around 27%. If that is really true, even before the carbon tax has been fully implemented, than the ALP might be finished. The once great political party destroyed by a person…......a person call Julia Gillard.

    • kerry says:

      07:32pm | 02/05/11

      @stevem
      Not at all a case of the pot calling the kettle black but I’ll excuse your accusation of hypocrisy on the basis that you didn’t understand the argument I was making: the point I made, and continue to make, is that the treatment meted out is different. Not the fact that they lied. At no time did I did excuse the lying.

      @Ryan
      So, four lies. Okay. Let’s examine the facts.

      1.Gillard made the Bulldog captaincy remark on May 17, over a month before Rudd was deposed. That does not prove she knew when she said that that Rudd was about to be deposed. Get a grip, old son. That’s not evidence. The fact that over a month later she becomes leader is not proof that she lied when she made the statement.

      2.Have already discussed lie number 2.

      3.Well you’re the one lying here or you have not kept up with the news. She made a statement about her desire for a regional processing centre for asylum seekers with a preference for East Timor. Fact is, the East Timorese government has still not told her to sod off. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/29/3203538.htm?section=justin
      For the record I don’t agree with this as an asylum seeker solution, nor do I think it will get off the ground, but for the moment it has not been entirely knocked on the head.

      4.Once again you are lying. Gillard has never claimed there was no waste in the BER. The “idiot” claim you consider to be highly offensive needs to be put in context: see page 104 of Hansard http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/reps/dailys/dr180310.pdf . Paul Fletcher was indeed a bit of an idiot over his claims especially when you read http://north-shore-times.whereilive.com.au/news/story/will-parent-who-spoke-to-fletcher-put-up-their-hand/
      That Julia Gillard says there will be no repeat of BER waste does not make it true that she claimed there was no BER waste prior to that.

      Listen, Ryan, I did not say she wasn’t a liar regarding the carbon tax, I said I suspect she wasn’t deliberately misleading the electorate when she made the statement. Your first two claims are, in fact, examples of the argy bargy of politics, nothing more, nothing less. These types of things happen on all sides of the political landscape. I said it was my opinion. I said the situation changed when it was a minority government.

      And I certainly can’t agree with your claim that she is a pathological liar. It seems to me that on the basis of two of your lies here, that you, like politicians, are prone to misrepresenting the facts.
      Perhaps you should run for parliament.

    • kerry says:

      08:20am | 03/05/11

      @Grant
      My post should have read “similar size and population density.” Given Australia and Canada are often compared on this basis, as well as our similar heritage and political systems, I’m surprised you didn’t automatically insert the missing word since you’re so educated and so grown up.

    • Felipe says:

      11:43am | 03/05/11

      kerry, your statistics does not mean the government is doing great.  During the northern GFC, the RBA lowered the interest rates which made a lot of us breath a sigh of relief,  China helped us with our trade figures and the previous government made structural changes to our banking system.  These are in my opinion made Australia meet the challenge of the northern countries GFC. 
      The lies made especially by Howard not to implement a GST and then a GST was redeemed by taking the new tax into an election.  Do you think Gillard will be positive enough and delay this atrocious carbon tax to an election, I think not.  She is enjoying the treats of office.
      You are one of the few who still believe in the mantra of the labor government,  your explanations come straight from their own bible.  You must be one of them.

    • Ryan says:

      12:24pm | 03/05/11

      @kerry: still spinning, lets us use your logic shall we. If I tell you I promise you I am not going to slap you on the back of the head, you then take a step and I slap you on the back of the head claiming I didn’t break the promise, the situation had just changed.

      In answer to your spinning posts.
      1. “That does not prove she knew when she said that that Rudd was about to be deposed.” no this is just your opinion not a fact, the result of not sticking to her original statement is the lie.

      2. Lie number 2 is obvious, again your opinion that it is not a lie is just that, your opinion, the result of not sticking to her promise is the barefaced lie.

      3. I will give you this on the East Timorese “solution”, this is still supposedly being “negotiated” with zero deadlines so I guess this isn’t a lie yet, but anyone can see that this is never going to happen and hence be a lie. So you have two ways to look at this really, its a lie until it is delivered since there seems to be no intent nor way that this will be delivered, or you could look at it as a potential lie which will never be delivered making it a lie anyway.

      4. As for the BER waste, I believe that Gillard made a promise to the Australian people that there would be value for money.
      http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/gillard-promises-value-for-money/story-e6freuy9-1226001474160
      Now she admits that there was waste in the BER the likes of which she does not want to be caught repeating. I would hazard a guess that waste does not mean value for money and hence the promise was a lie.

      Calling me a liar in a feeble attempt to justify Gillards barefaced lies or attempting to justify lying your way into the top job by claiming “all of them do it” is spinning and as you say, that is just your opinion, today it appears that a fair percentage of Australia do not appreciate being lied to and this shows in the polls.

    • kerry says:

      02:50pm | 03/05/11

      @Felipe
      First things first.

      Re Howard’s GST. You are mistaking my comment on Howard’s “core and non-core” promises as a reference to the GST. Not so.  For the record, I don’t believe Howard lied about the GST. I believe he changed his mind on the GST. Because of that change of mind, he quite rightly took it to the electorate. The rest is history.

      Re the carbon tax. Before the last election Julia Gillard said: “I don’t rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism,” she said of the next parliament. “I rule out a carbon tax.” It is not something she has changed her mind on. She took it to the election, although it probably got lost in all the flurry regarding the “leaks” story, if you remember that?

      The election threw up a minority government. Part of the negotiations to gain Greens support was to do something about climate change in this term. The first part of legislating a CPRS is putting a price on carbon. The concepts of carbon price and carbon tax are virtually interchangeable, so when Gillard announced putting a price on carbon, she said you can call it a tax if you like. Which the press immediately did. Then all the accusations of lying, back-flips, etc hit the fan.
      Because, Felipe, a price on carbon acts like a tax (not on the people, not out of your pay packet) but on polluting industry for the first couple of years UNTIL the market sets the price.

      To me, Gillard didn’t mislead the electorate. The electorate wasn’t listening because the media in this country are too busy trying to screw politicians over, of all persuasions, for gotcha moments, for entertainment, for conflict, rather than reporting on the serious stuff.

      Your claim that this is an “atrocious” tax doesn’t cut it with me. Why? Because without knowing the details, you are prepared to regurgitate media and/or LNP lines. So, your description of the carbon tax and/or price is just your opinion. Wait for the detail before making a definitive statement. And if it is atrocious, I’ll be the first to agree with you.

      Re the GFC: Sorry, Felipe, but there is no such thing as a “northern” GFC. A GFC is, by definition, global. I suggest you read this http://economics.com.au/?p=3677 By the end of 2008, Australia’s unemployment rate had risen to 4.5% as international companies in Australia slashed their workforce by up to 15%, including the mining industry. As you can see from article, Australia’s unemployment was expected to reach 8%. But it did not. Because of the stimulus that kept people in work.

      By the way, your claim that the RBA cut interest rates in response to a northern GFC does not make sense. The RBA cut interest rates in response to a GFC that had already swept Australia up. All you can really claim, Felipe, is that the GFC had its origins in the northern hemisphere.

      I’m an independent thinker, Felipe. I try to research and read and make my own decisions regarding all the information available. I will call a spade a spade. And, of course, I have biases, like you do, but I’m prepared to argue a case based on the known facts, not on conjecture or feelings.

      Lastly, the statistics I posted are, by any measure, showing a country that is doing well. If you can find statistics that show what you mean by a country doing well, by all means post them. I’ll look forward to seeing them.

    • kerry says:

      03:35pm | 03/05/11

      @Ryan
      I love your analogy. It’s great. A perfect illustration of why politicians think it is okay to break a promise. You have to listen very carefully to the wording. In your scenario, I made an assumption that you meant you wouldn’t slap me on the back of the head at any time, and I trusted you to not slap me at any time, whereas you meant you wouldn’t slap me on the back of the head as long as I didn’t move. Clever.

      What a reminder to the electorate at large that we should demand spelt-out qualifications to statements politicians make. We trust the media to winkle these things out for us. But they don’t, because they are just as susceptible as the rest of us to making assumptions. The type of person who sees things in absolutes is always going to be sucked in by assumptions. And is always going to be cruelled by those assumptions.

      By the way, I didn’t call you a liar, I exposed your lies. Two different things. However, if the cap fits, wear it.

      As for “a fair percentage of Australia do not appreciate being lied to and this shows in the polls,” I suppose you haven’t seen today’s newspoll. Unfortunately for LNP supporters, there’s been a 4 point turnaround – in favour of Labor.

    • kerry says:

      04:07pm | 03/05/11

      @Against the Man
      Firstly, sorry for seeming to take over your comment space.
      And you haven’t even commented on my first post!

      The average Australian I speak to does not have a problem with how the country is going. We must move in different circles.

      To put things in perspective re your comments about Victoria and NSW: Victoria had been in power for 11 years. The economy was good. But they were a tired government. They were making a lot of mistakes because of hubris. It was time for a change and Victorians knew it. As for NSW, everyone knows that they were a basket case. They should never have won in 2007. I blame Howard’s workchoices for that; the NSW election got caught up in the advertising campaign and stupidly re-elected a tired, useless, Labor govt.

      Your source from Canberra appears unreliable as today’s newspoll indicates: Sorry, no 2 in front of the PV even taking the +/- 3% MOE into account – in fact it rose a percentage point to 33%. http://ghostwhovotes.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/newspoll-110503.pdf

      ATM, the Labor party has been written off so many times in its history, I just don’t think it will happen in our life time. As for Julia Gillard being the agent of its demise, that’s just wishful thinking. Party leaders come and go.

    • Ryan says:

      05:07pm | 03/05/11

      @kerry: What are the primary vote and the two party preferred results you have there?
      While you are at it, what are the bookies odds on the next election?

      As for that analogy there is a certain amount of assumption that a normal person is able to take from communication otherwise we would be continuously speaking in subtitles. Clearly any average man in the street would accept that I promised not slap you on the back of the head at all and exploiting normal assumptions is obviously dishonest to the point of being classified a lie. Nice try though, there is no grey area in an understanding, especially if I categorically state “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead” and then implement one straight after.
      If we cannot trust our leaders then clearly we need better leaders.

    • Felipe says:

      09:27am | 04/05/11

      kerry, the timing of Gillard’s announcement of “no carbon tax” was made 24 hours before the last election.  She was reacting to Tony Abbott’s “as sure as night follows day Gillard will impose a carbon tax”. Gillard said her infamous promise of no carbon tax in the government she led to get votes.  So how was that not misleading the public.
      I know the carbon tax will be charged to companies but of course the cost of the tax will flow on to the public and not even mentioning how this will affect the productivity and income of these companies.  If the companies think that it will not be a profitable to their operations, they will just move overseas and who will be the biggest loser..
      It is an atrocious tax because it will not bring down the so called Co2.  This government with the greens are trying to make themselves look like leaders ahead of USA and China in this issue but it is incredible how they use the line “we don’t want to be left behind”,  Left behind by whom????
      China at the moment saves Australia from disaster because Gillard and her government do not show any capability to use this mining boom to Australia’s advantage.  Gillard and Swan have no idea how to save but have big ideas how to waste and spend and then tax us the public for their mismanagement.

    • Felipe says:

      09:31am | 04/05/11

      kerry,  just to add to my recent reply.  RBA’s cut to interest rates during the so called GFC,  made much more difference to my finances and to others with mortgages than the stimulus by labor.

    • Frank says:

      06:40am | 02/05/11

      Abbott cops it for being a blokey bloke.

    • Peter Brown says:

      07:26am | 02/05/11

      The perception of Gillard is that she is not a nice person ... and Kevin will attest. Her haughty over bearing manner, pomposity to lecture, talk down to journalists in a patronising way and talk over the top of interviewers. If she was in your social circle you would use the description on the placards.
      If she led a credible Government all that could be forgiven. BUT….....

    • Warwick says:

      07:33am | 02/05/11

      Losing the trust of the people (by lying) is not gender specific

    • MK says:

      02:21pm | 02/05/11

      She has yet to reach the Bar on lying set by Howard
      Anyone who though howard didnt lie as much if not more than gillard, has eihter the memory or intelligence of a goldfish

      Broken promises dsoent come near the children overboard lie.

    • Glen says:

      07:45am | 02/05/11

      I suppose I too would want to forget about a Minister advocating work place quotas if I were PM. Even if a Labor one.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      09:40pm | 02/05/11

      That was Joe Hockey. Last time I looked, he was a Lib.

    • Fake red hen not PM material says:

      07:55am | 02/05/11

      I’ve heard women bemoan that Julia Gillard’s incompetence and touchy-feely manner have set back 40 years women reaching political heights. They speak of feeling highly embarrassed by her representation of them and that she is untrustworthy, shallow and cold. I’ve heard young mothers angered, saying she has no qualifications to dabble in education matters (probably understandable especially since her ABC interview pronunciation of “hyperbole” as “hyper-bowl”. ) During Gillard’s 2010 campaign they noted her shaking hands at the height of an influenza epidemic, then immediately stroking nearby children. That was (and remains) an inconsiderately unhygienic contagion nightmare for young mothers in her vicinity.
      Her deliberate “hands-on” manner is discourteous and some say, condescending.  Did she stroke Japan’s Emperor and Empress or Obama?  No. JG is calculatingly fawning, carefully selecting which individuals might respond to her constant personal touching. Trouble is for Julia Gillard, she is as transparent as her lies. Men might think it’s flirting, while some women see it as positively rude.
      It was Tasmania’s Miss Giddings who raised her singledom saying that men in politics did not seem to experience her difficulty attracting admirers. It could be more to do with the perception of male strength - because the list of Labor women who have diminished themselves making utter public fools of themselves is too long to list here.  Some women opine that if Gillard is capable of cruelly plotting against an unsuspecting colleague then opportunistically knifing him she is capable of anything similar against her own gender.
      It’s all over for Juliar Gillard. Questions about tampons can also be read as statements of derision.
      Since Labor’s hacks so seriously miscalculated their plan to retain power, their sacrifice is the fake first female PM who will long be remembered as a caricature of everything that genuine, capable, and gracious women would never subscribe to.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      10:03am | 02/05/11

      Oh my God, this one takes the cake.
      Julia Gillard deliberately tried to infect young children with the flu.
      What an idiot you are, fake red hen.

    • The Original Oz says:

      11:57am | 02/05/11

      Rover - I doubt that FRH was stating that it was a “deliberate attempt to infect children with the flu” and if you read the comment that was neither implicit or implied.  What FRH was getting at, i think, was that because JG is not experienced with children and/or young families she unwittingly broke one of the standard procedures relating to cross contamination during an influenza outbreak (this was a follow on from his comment about the perception that she is not qualified to be dabbling in Education matters).

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      09:48pm | 02/05/11

      And if she hadn’t touched young children, she would be called a fake.
      I an am ex-journo who has travelled with many many pollies from both sides, and have seen them hug kids whose sainted mums know have gastro bugs. And those parents joked that ooooh, the opposition leader might be about to shit his pants because their kids are sick.
      And they weren’t worried about spreading their kids’ bugs around the community. Or the travelling meeja.

    • Jane says:

      07:59am | 02/05/11

      Do you think Labors/Unions choice of Leader to replace Rudd had anything to do with the female factor?

    • Joel B1 says:

      08:02am | 02/05/11

      Wow, the oldie but goodie “she’s a women” defence of the indefensible.

      What next Farr?

      How about, it’s weather if you’re anti-AGW but it’s climate if you’re PM Gillard talking about the weather?

    • Alicia says:

      08:04am | 02/05/11

      She has always been portrayed by the media as a good negotiator and a good performer (she only performs for TV during QT) Very little about because she’s a woman.

    • Geoff - Brisbane says:

      09:55am | 02/05/11

      Thats the entire point they’re trying to make alicia. That because she is a woman, she doesn’t come under the same critisisms as a man would.

      They’re saying had it been Mr Gillard been in power, he would have been torn a new one over his poor performance and lies.

    • bill09 says:

      08:08am | 02/05/11

      I agree with John C and Erik also

    • Jo says:

      08:09am | 02/05/11

      Gillard is a flirt.
      She giggles, lays hands on and touches ties of any male, home and abroad.
      Images of her with her football team showed a silly, giggly, teenage groupie and I will never forget her behaviour and body language at the meeting of the 3 independants.
      I find her behavour around men cringe factor.

    • Helen says:

      08:57am | 02/05/11

      Oh come on. If she didn’t laugh (“giggle” would be written as “laugh” if she was a man) she’d be portrayed as cold and without a sense of humour. This is all total spin and I’d be willing to bet it has been given a good kick along by Liberal staffers commenting on talkback and news sites.

    • Joel B1 says:

      09:32am | 02/05/11

      @Helen,

      Can you let me know how to get a job as a Liberal staffer commenting on news sites? Just that I do it for free now, and wouldn’t mind at all being paid for it.

    • The Redman says:

      09:36am | 02/05/11

      Exactly, Helen. Gillard was harshly criticised for being wooden not so long ago. She faced even worse criticism when she had the temerity to break slightly when speaking about recent world disasters. She can’t win either way.

    • Phil says:

      10:06am | 02/05/11

      Jo your piece reminds me of that great Joe Hilderbrand one when she is meeting with Bob Katter.

      I find her an embarrassment on the world stage. Didnt like KRudd, but at least he was never going to cause issues when travelling abroad, Scores excluded, and he wasnt PM then.

    • jo says:

      08:11am | 02/05/11

      A weak attempt to blame Julia Gillards failure as prime minister, on the fact that she is female.  Gender has not had anything to do with it,  After the way she backstabbed Kevin Rudd,  and now is even a bigger failure than him,  What can she say now to justify herself.

      Her remarks about the people that vote greens, was bitchy to say the least, but the greens have their own agenda, don’t think they care much, what she thinks, they have been around and are aware of the spin that goes on in politics. 

      I have always voted labor, but stopped voting for them when julia gillard, appeared from nowhere to sit on the stolen throne.  People can spin it anyway they like, but unseating an elected prime minister is why Labor finds itself in the mess it is in.  Bring Kevin Rudd back he was and is still more popular, and well liked than she is.  Also I don’t believe all the media spin that went out of their way to discredit him.

    • Gandalf says:

      10:14am | 02/05/11

      Gender has everything to do with it. How many people voted to get her past the post, just because she’s a woman? I’ve spoken to dozens of women who have no idea about politics, yet readily admit to voting Labor because they thought a woman might make a difference.  A woman might make a significant difference but not if she insists on acting, dressing and behaving like a man.

    • Bev says:

      09:39pm | 02/05/11

      Yes gender is part of it.  Feminism had a lot to do with preaching to women that if only the patriarchy was not holding them back women could do better than men a total lie.  However the Labour machine is overwelmingly the problem, it has totally lost the plot.  Given a different Labour party (as labour was originally) looking to improve peoples lot rather than get power for powers sake Gillard may have turned out differently.  We will never know as she is a product of that corrupt machine and exemplifies it.

    • MarK says:

      08:14am | 02/05/11

      SHE is still incompetent.

      SHE lies.

      SHE has no firm beliefs or direction.

      HER skill set is lacking.

      HER government is an embarrassment.

      SHE will soon have a 2 in front of HER government’s 2PP vote.

      I am sure you get the drift Mal. Who cares about gender. It still is a shit sandwich whether you serve it cold or toasted.

      The fact of the matter is she has shrunk in the job. All her vaunted credibility and gravitas has been washed away by her performance. Others around her have suffered the same. Wong has diminished. Garrett - well the scales have fallen off the ideologues eyes. Shorten has not excelled. Swan….....well gawd. Kevin still runs around declaring war on everything and unfortunately when it comes to fruition like Libya turns to disaster. Combet looks OK still but the lies are starting to tell and the untruths will haunt him. Bowen looks impotent. The list can go on and on.

      Face it. Gillard is there only because there is no ready alternative that is willing to make the only call to save this rabble.

      That call is a complete repudiation of the carbon tax. They need someone to stand up and say NO to the tax. Someone with balls whether they be tangible or not. If they don’t the death of this pathetic lot of losers will be long, slow and enjoyable.

      Time to start writing what is happening in the now Mal. The fanboi stuff is looking as ridiculous and as intellectually bankrupt as the Rudd cheering that went on.

    • JohnB says:

      09:20am | 02/05/11

      Very well put MarK. Agree with everything you’ve said.

      I must say though, I’m wondering what Liberal are doing, they are either unbelievably patient, or don’t know what they’re doing either. IMHO they could dispose of this gov in all sorts of ways. For example, if a large number of private school students re-enrolled in the public system, that would leave Garrett in an untenable position and could bring down the government via one of the independents finally throwing in the towel. There’d be tens of other ways given this blindingly incompetent lot. It’s only a matter of time, and it won’t be full term before we are relieved of the most incompetent government in the history of the world.

    • buckyboy says:

      12:42pm | 02/05/11

      Totally agree, Mark…...this pathetic puff piece from Farr, along with Van Onselen’s childish piece on Abbott in the Oz today just goes to prove the ALP tail wagers are in panic mode.

    • nossy says:

      08:16am | 02/05/11

      Didnt Ms Gillard look radiant at the Royal Wedding - beautiful ! That Timmy sure is a lucky fella and should pop the question asap - c’mon Timmy manup fella - it doesnt get much better than this ! We are indeed fortunate to have Ms Gillard as PM and even more so given she is the 1st female PM. A lawyer herself she simply has run rings around the “current” incumbent of the Liberal Party “Tony the One Trick Pony”. However things move forward and come the next election way off in 2013 she will most liley face the eloquent and impressive Malcolmn Turnbull - a man who can actually engage with the savvy Australian public on ALL issues. You could put a melon on a broomstick and paint “NO” on it and that would be as effective as “Tony The One Trick Pony”. I cant see Gillard losing office in 2013 - in fact she may well go on till 2016 before she may well call time. Too long and you end up like Johnny Howard with the same result ! Bravo Ms gillard - long may you reign !

    • CD says:

      09:01am | 02/05/11

      Oh God I just threw up reading this diatribe.
      How’s that blow up doll doing for you nossy?
      With tastes like yours I can’t even imagine a woman with class being in your repertoire.

    • Bris Jo says:

      09:14am | 02/05/11

      Gillard DIDN’t look radiant at the Royal Wedding, she looked very ordinary.
      Cookie cutter fashion, a new word for Gillard’ fashion.
      Her dress sense has all the characterisitics of her BER policy.

    • Q.Pham says:

      09:55am | 02/05/11

      LOL ! Best piss-take I’ve ever read about Gillard. Top marks Nossy !

    • Ally says:

      10:30am | 02/05/11

      She looked awful at the wedding - the woman has no class or style.  A total embarrassment to Australia

    • nihonin says:

      10:51am | 02/05/11

      nossy old mate, ditch the rose coloured beer goggles, what’s even more frightening you may be sober, do enjoy reading your posts though as always.

    • Rosie says:

      11:15am | 02/05/11

      Nosthow

      I wouldn’t have you as a loyal honest friend. You wouldn’t tell me the honest truth about myself that I was a liar and a back stabbing power hungry person who was incompetent and had no dress sense! Because if you did I wouldn’t go around thinking I was the best there is and was indispensable. While I hold the famous high office position you can use me to revel in it.

    • Knemon says:

      12:42pm | 02/05/11

      I agree nossy…it’s the best I’ve seen our PM dress since coming to power, she rose to the occasion. I’m tipping a wedding not long before the next election. I do get a laugh from people deriding our PM’s dress sense,  good god….take a look at Abbott people.

    • nossy says:

      01:10pm | 02/05/11

      @Rosie - but only yesterday Rosie you were telling me what a good bloke I am ! That Grey Goose is addling the old brain cells my love ! kisses - nossy - hahahahahahah

    • Nil by Mouth says:

      08:33am | 02/05/11

      Gillard’s gender is irrelevant. Gillard ‘s downfall is not her gender but her incompetence.

    • Holly says:

      08:43am | 02/05/11

      Goodness do we need yet another reminder of how pathetic our media is I wondered.  If anyone is trying the gender card it certainly isn’t Julia Gillard herself.  Here we have do a strong woman making difficult decisions.  She does not seem to bow to ridiculous and childish reports about her persona her wardrobe and her lifestyle, which is perhaps what annoys so many.  She is a a woman of substance.

      If this is not a demonstration of gender bias then the alternative is that it is by childishness on the part of Australians, which leaves many visitors to our shores wondering about our political maturity.

      The sycophantic following of Tony Abbott could also have them wondering.  I watched as reporters spoke with him about his visit to Alice Springs.  Yet another mantra was trotted out and questioning was pretty much non existent.  Has he got the largely male media in some sort of homoerotic thrall?

    • CD says:

      09:15am | 02/05/11

      And the sycophonetic followers of…...are we reading the same media articles? Where has this PM been successful? Her gender is irrelevant. Once you fail on the big platform of politics the people will then tear down every other avenue you have failed in.

      There is nowhere Gillard has succeeded from dress sense to choice of partners. She is a vulture eating up anyone in her way including wives of men she wants. Add Rudd to that list.

      She is an abject failure and it has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with her as a person. But while sycophants like you and Mal and the rest of the tribe keep trying to find reasons outside the reality of why she is a failure nothing will ever change inc Mal’s excuses.

    • Rosie says:

      09:44am | 02/05/11

      Holly

      Say what you have to say about the article but don’t trivialize Tony Abbott’s trip to Alice Springs which sensible caring Australians should applaud. Tony Abbott went to Alice Springs to talk to the Tribal Elders in hope of finding ways of improving the lives of our damaged indigenous people. It is bipartisan so hopefully with the Gillard Labor Minority Govt, focus on the problem to narrow the gap between them and us would become a priority.

    • John says:

      09:44am | 02/05/11

      Really Holly. I remember during the election how many journolist including women had a go at Abott about his dress sence, you know the whole budgey attack. You know ppl who do things like iron men challenges to keep fit usualy wear them but no the media wanted to use it to attack him as a male egotist.

      How about the fact that when he sad that he would like his daughters to wait till they got married before they have sex. How many women came out and had a go at him for that comment saying how dare he say that. Heaven forbid as a father he has a view and even worse hope his daughters wait till they are married like nearly every father out there.

      Also isnt Australia in the midst of a obesity crisis and here is a man who exercises and works out well and was crucified by the media over this.

      How about womens day bringing out the article with Julia just weeks before the election. Also note no big deal about her been PM as she is not the first female PM in the world. Just think Indra and Sonia Ghandi got voted to power in a country were men dominate (India). Then again if you want to see soemone who has a greed for power just look at Indra Ghandi

      So really ma’am the media didnt play the gender card for her.

    • Bob says:

      07:46pm | 02/05/11

      >>Here we have do a strong woman making difficult decisions.  <<

      How difficult do you think the choice between brazenly breaking an explicit election promise and standing by her word, showing herself to be honest was? We can tell it was less difficult for her to break her word than it was for Abbott to promise anything and everything to get in because, well… He’s in opposition now, and she’s someone who’ll blatantly lie to 20+ million people to keep her job.

      And what substance do the three or four “real” Julia Gillards have?

      Please, some examples and explicit answers to those questions.

    • Joel B1 says:

      08:46am | 02/05/11

      “Didnt Ms Gillard look radiant at the Royal Wedding - beautiful”

      That’s ironic for at least two reasons. Possibly more than two.

      Top job nossy!

    • JohnB says:

      08:46am | 02/05/11

      Gillard is doing the woman’s movement and societies perception of woman’s abilities unbelievable damage.

    • bec says:

      09:09am | 02/05/11

      Well, no, she’s not. One woman doesn’t do anything to damage my own identity or understanding of being a woman. That’s as dumb as saying that Ted Bundy or Bernie Madoff damage society’s perception of men’s abilities and character.

    • JohnB says:

      09:36am | 02/05/11

      You and I both know Bec, that Gillard was elected by many voters because she is a woman. You can’t have it both ways. So it’s not as dumb as…..

      It is significant.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      10:13am | 02/05/11

      No JohnB, it’s not significant. I’d like you to back up your claim that so many people voted for her simply because she’s a woman.
      Why do some men think that a woman failing at something sets back the women’s movement, whereas a man failing at something has no impact on other men?

    • KH says:

      10:37am | 02/05/11

      JohnB - an equal number of people voted for Gillard because they simply couldn’t stand the thought of Abbott as PM.  I would vote for Krusty the Klown before Abbott.

    • JohnB says:

      10:44am | 02/05/11

      Well Rover it’s because when woman achieve it’s so, so good for woman.

      So are you saying when they fail, it reflects nothing? Again, like bec, you can’t have it both ways.

      As for “back up your claim that so many people voted for her simply because she’s a woman.”.......................I’d far rather think Gillard was voted in mainly because she was a woman, than lose faith in my fellow Australians to have erroneously voted in such an incompetent government.

    • Jane says:

      10:47am | 02/05/11

      KH - a few more months of Gillard and you’ll change your mind.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      11:01am | 02/05/11

      So you admit that you can’t back up your claim?

    • JohnB says:

      12:50pm | 02/05/11

      Instead of poorly attempting to discredit what I said Rover, perhaps you could come up with a counter argument. Are you a lawyer, politician or both?

    • Bev says:

      10:35pm | 02/05/11

      bec says:09:09am | 02/05/11

      Well, no, she’s not. One woman doesn’t do anything to damage my own identity or understanding of being a woman. That’s as dumb as saying that Ted Bundy or Bernie Madoff damage society’s perception of men’s abilities and character.

      Theoretically your right I agree however feminists project the sins of a few men on all men it is central to their philosophy.  Wheras I would venture most men and women pillory Juliar not because she is a woman but because she is incompetent.

    • bec says:

      06:10am | 03/05/11

      Jesus Christ, are people this dumb?

      I didn’t even vote for Gillard, so if I, as a feminist, vote solely on the basis of gender, I’m pretty damn bad at being a feminist. I voted for the independent candidate in my electorate, who happened to be male.

      There may be some people unintelligent enough to vote on the basis of gender. I know plenty of dudes who didn’t vote for her because she’s female; on that basis, they are just as stupid and making a big deal of gender as this imagined body of women who voted for her.

    • Matt says:

      11:02am | 03/05/11

      bec I know lots of women who voted for her entirely because she is a woman.

      Well, I know at least 4. But I don’t really talk to many people about who they vote for so that seemed like a lot to me smile One of my friends was incredibly excited that a ‘female PM might get in!!’ that she just kept talking about it, I couldn’t for the life of me understand why anyone cares either way…

      But yeah, I think JohnB has a valid point. No one would vote for a man just because they’re a man. Nearly all of them are men! Because we have so many example of men in the role doing a good job and a bad job an individual man’s performance offers little new data with which to form an opinion of the performance of men as politicians.

      But since people did actually vote for and against her as a woman, and since she is one of so few (and the only to her heights) her role does affect some persons’ perception of a woman’s competence. It shouldn’t (because it is illogical to draw conclusions about 50% of the population from a data set of 1), but heck, I don’t see much rationality out there and I know that some people’s opinions would be swayed by this.

    • David Worth says:

      08:51am | 02/05/11

      The anti-Labor right wing shocl jocks and bloggers are even worse - the attack Gillard on looks and appearance at every opportunity - with an underlying tone of misogyny.

      Some of the stuff said and printed is hobnestly disgusting.

    • Ryan says:

      01:37pm | 02/05/11

      Like attacking (or lampooning) the attire of Surf Lifesaving Australia?

    • Against the Man says:

      10:08pm | 02/05/11

      OK I’ll stick to attacking her lack of credible policies and her incompetence as a leader.

    • Dan says:

      08:59am | 02/05/11

      I will not be led by a woman, it goes against evolution. Simple.

    • GrahamB says:

      03:29pm | 02/05/11

      Same here Dan,there’s not many men left now a days.

    • Erick is a legend says:

      03:39pm | 02/05/11

      A very controversial but truthful statement. Physiologically, males are geared for leadership, females are not.

    • Susie says:

      10:40pm | 02/05/11

      You men are pathetic idiots. I will not be led by a woman…blah blah…get over yourselves.

    • Nik says:

      02:01pm | 03/05/11

      Just curious Dan…how exactly does it go against evolution? I’m going to need to see some sort of references, sources or perhaps a genuine qualification in anthropology or genetics to prove your argument.  Any actual scientific evidence really. That would be great.

    • Harriet says:

      09:11am | 02/05/11

      Here is a thought. How about journalists lead and lift the debate by asking both sides of politics about policy. Forget this flim flam of an opinion piece and do a responsible job of investigation and reporting.
      If you need guidance on how to do it well look at some of the quality blogs.

    • Andrew says:

      09:49am | 02/05/11

      No point asking the Gillard Government, they either cancel them or postpone them.

    • JohnB says:

      12:12pm | 02/05/11

      Agree entirely Harriet…

      The worst I’ve seen is QandA where I’m confident the Q’s are screened. How could you have so many people in one room talking about the environment and specifically carbon, on the panel, Tim Flannery, and Labor politicians (Who, I don’t remember). Not one question re peek oil, or population. Ridiculous given Gillard keeps quoting Flannery re carbon while ignoring he says our sust pop is between 8 and 12 million.

      So yes, let’s have more informed less biased journalism…With the internet, it’s only a matter of time before some clever bugger develops an interview format, politicians will feel obligated to appear on, where hard hitting, real questions are asked with expected non-spin answers.

      Issues today have never been more important and never will be again. There is a window that is rapidly passing by. Meanwhile our politicians attend weddings, and waste most of their time defending bad policy. We are in real trouble, anyone not recognising this, has their head….....

      It is well time we demanded more from our media and subsequently our politicians.

    • Dark Horse says:

      09:27am | 02/05/11

      I’m no Gillard fan, but I don’t bother criticizing her dress, hair colour or appearance, there’s too much of that. I’m only interested in what she is doing for/to the country. Unfortunately, the leadership of Labor at present is dismal. Like all governments, there doesn’t seem to be any strategic plan that will lead us into the future. It’s all ad hoc stuff changed to meet what is perceived of as public demand from month to month. To a great extent, we have caused that because we are fickle; we expect government without errors, even though we err ourselves. When a politician changes his mind, we shout them down, yet changing one’s mind on a bad decision is a good thing. We get what we deserve and often we don’t deserve the best performance.

    • george says:

      09:35am | 02/05/11

      It seems as though a lot of people don’t like her because she’s not fawning over the mega mortgage mugs, fuedalistic property “investors” and old people who have already had way more than their fair share in this life.

      The sexism justifies why feminism was such a potent force. These people practising it were brought up before it became so taboo, you wouldn’t see anything like this from today’s gen x and y. If anything it strengthens the idea that we should have more women in politics and I’m usually the sort of guy that says feminism has gone too far.

    • MarK says:

      10:10am | 02/05/11

      “..she’s not fawning over the mega mortgage mugs, fuedalistic property “investors” and old people who have already had way more than their fair share in this life. “

      Yah.

      Great points. Well actually they are not except the bit about not fawning. She sure does hate those classes that you seem to envy so deeply.

    • CD says:

      11:21am | 02/05/11

      Hehe…good one MarK. Took the words right out of my mouth.

      Here’s my guess. george is female, young, regular handout recipient, Getup and goer who hates anyone getting ahead on their own back or taking from her slimy little pot of Labor gold to use for those old fookers who bothered paying taxes and building a country before she was ever
      born.

      Her post comes straight from the socialist feminist handbook. I fought for female equality. I certainly never fought for females being mote equal than men.

    • Paul of Sunshine says:

      09:41am | 02/05/11

      Gillard will damage the status of women in power not because of her hair colour, choice of lover or dress sense, but because she hasn’t the depth of experience or character to be a visionary leader.
      She is a pure political animal, trained to win an election by a Labor party machine and still managed by same.

    • John says:

      09:46am | 02/05/11

      Looks like labour has given the Punch team a call and ask them to help out and save them from thier downfall.

    • Chris L says:

      11:33am | 02/05/11

      Looks like the Coalition has called in all their followers to shout the piece down.

    • Joombi O'Flaherty says:

      06:52pm | 02/05/11

      And not only that Chris, but they’ve summoned the ones who can’t spell

    • Ryan says:

      10:17pm | 02/05/11

      They have one who can, Joombi ?

    • Knemon says:

      12:57pm | 02/05/11

      ...how many times are you going to tell us what FOX TV think about the dress sense of our PM? - Give it a break, no one cares about what fox commentators in the united stuffed states of america think.

    • Paddy says:

      09:48am | 02/05/11

      Gillard has been given a comfortable ride by disingenuous journalists who choose to ask reasonable questions and then not seek honest answers from her. Her answers are rarely truthful and in many cases are subsequently proven to contain half the facts and despite being aware of all of the facts at the time, she chooses, quite deliberately not to include them in her responses as they may not suit her case.
      In most cases the journalists are aware she is not being truthful, yet complicit, they too choose to be party to her dishonesty. This is why, when the facts become known, the public view her as dishonest.
      Nope, it’s not her gender its her principles. I thought as the leader of a country she was expected by her office, to be honest and truthful. Then again, that might only apply to the Attorney General.

    • Nathman says:

      09:57am | 02/05/11

      “Margaret Thatcher was always seen as a woman. Ditto Angela Merkel of Germany, and Burma’s Aung San Suu Kyi.”

      You forget that those ladies actually look and sound like women.

    • Rossco says:

      09:58am | 02/05/11

      Dont care that she is a woman, I only care that she is a woefully pathetic prime minister who is leading our country to disaster with her terrible slew of failed policies.

      I have no doubt Miss Gillard will be looked upon as one of the worst prime ministers in Australian history.

    • Scumbag says:

      10:11am | 02/05/11

      Since Malcolm, you’re playing devil’s advocate here, there will be more than 20 responses (to date).  One could argue that Ms Gillard would not win a race in the intellectual capacity stakes, in comparison with Angela Merkel and Aung San Suu Kyi. Margaret Thatcher on the other hand has a certain symbiosis. Ms Gillard has the appeal factor endorsed by the majority of Labor followers, that is, a ‘leader’ of homespun simple upbringing and personal presentation, combined with a sharp and biting wit, of small political consequence of importance,  recently calmed by her advisors, in the quest for serious political recognition. What our leader has not, is the circumstance of previous Labor WWII leaders, Chifley and Curtain. She can never repeat that response for the survival of the free world, only a pale imitation, along with Mr Abbot. Forgive me now for being side-tracked. Australia has become a carbon copy of the US, in a jingoistic sense, by making at a federal government level, an emotional display for political gain, of fallen soldiers of voluntary expeditionary forces, by allowing televised events of themselves at church services,  and otherwise at military establishments,  of coffins being ceremonially offloaded. That’s only valuable to the frontline soldiers, and their families. Forget the darkness of world domination, by either the Nazi or Japanese empires of WWII. That’s not to say, that soldiers of all forces, volunteers all, are slack bastards, as evidenced by VC and distinguished bravery awards. One recognises that the ADF is a powerful political tool, by reason that it is subject to similar procedures in world governments, the US, that of commander-in-chief and others, Prime Minister, and President. So in conclusion, the import of my rant is, that Ms Gillard ought not wear a ‘hat’ as shown, probably having grabbed it off the sponge cake protecting it from flies, on the way through to the fashionista set. The lamingtons are not in sight.

    • G says:

      10:21am | 02/05/11

      Initially, I thought - great she represents women in a place of power! Boy, she ruined her life by her incompetence. I never voted for her. And I never will. Not because of her gender, but because she is not a good leader.

    • Richard says:

      10:21pm | 02/05/11

      Yeah. Prime Minister of Australia. What kind of life is that? Failures the lot of them.

    • Brian Baxter says:

      10:35am | 02/05/11

      Your too old Mal. Feeling threatened by the next generation is understandable for someone in your position. Got all your super sorted out?

    • PauL says:

      10:47am | 02/05/11

      I would really like too know who the puppeteer is? The pollies on both sides seem to dance about policy wise like a Punch and Judy show.I have no faith in any of them of either and errr… other sex .

    • Higgins says:

      10:51am | 02/05/11

      Malcolm, CO2 is a colourless, odourless, non-gender specific gas. Stop making excuses for her. Her incompetence is the only issue.

    • Gillian says:

      11:05am | 02/05/11

      At least one positive will come out of this social experiment - and thta’s no women will ever be prime minister again in Australia after Gillards woefully inept performance. She’s done all of womanhood one in the eye.

    • john says:

      11:35am | 02/05/11

      what absolute nonsense.

    • Darcy says:

      10:43am | 03/05/11

      You’re spot on Gillian.

    • Saskia says:

      11:11am | 02/05/11

      Every female on planet Earth knows that you NEVER wear white to a wedding!

      Except our ‘PM’.

      So out of touch it beggars belief.

    • Elphaba says:

      12:09pm | 02/05/11

      I don’t see white, I see silver…

    • Catching up says:

      12:33pm | 02/05/11

      Well there were many more, some who should have known better doing the same thing.  I must be blind, as I did not see her as being dressed in white. Maybe, just maybe, you are a little out of date with your dress rules. Ita Buttrose did not appear to agree with you.  She thought the PM dressed well.

    • JR says:

      11:12am | 02/05/11

      Of course it’s sexism, what else could it be?
      We expect men to lie.
      We only go hard on female politicians when they lie, then unsuccessfully try to spin BS to cover it up, do we have a problem.

    • MnM says:

      11:24am | 02/05/11

      It’s got nothing to do with her being female, and everything to do with the fact that she is the puppet of an incompetent and corrupt party machine that has no aim apart from simply staying in power.

      Much as I’m not a fan of the Liberals, at least they actually stand for something.

    • Ryan says:

      11:27am | 02/05/11

      How surprising, and how many females voted for Gillard merely because she was a woman, how many males voted for her merely because it would “nice to have the first female prime minister”.
      Fact is, as competency goes, she is by far the most incompetent and useless prime minister this country has ever seen. We thought we had seen abject failure at its worst with Rudd but we just got treated to a new level of “worst prime minister in history” almost right away.

    • Knemon says:

      01:26pm | 02/05/11

      Wrong Ryan…No-one can ever take the title of “worst PM ever” off John Howard - he has that title all to himself.

    • Ryan says:

      02:08pm | 02/05/11

      @Knemon: you must be dreaming!

    • Mark says:

      10:33pm | 02/05/11

      @Knemon   Too true ! Plus the only other Prime Minister to ever lose his own seat stood again and won it back.

      Just listen to that jubilation !

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      11:45am | 02/05/11

      I’d like to know which ‘boys’ are left ‘tittering and beaming’ after her so called special attention. Now I’m not sure of every individuals tastes but I was of the opinion that the general consensus was she was a minger.

    • MarK says:

      12:01pm | 02/05/11

      It is obvious that these journos really need to get out more often.

    • MysteryTour says:

      11:56am | 02/05/11

      I am female , Like most other Aussie females we were delighted to see a woman in the top job, because it leaves the door open for other young females, but male or female competency is a priority for us all. We tried it , it failed but some other female may have done a good job. I voted Labor, unlike Julie Gillard I have children and grandchildren, and I want them to have as good a life as I had growing up. They have lost all Labor values, all these taxes and attacking the poor and the waste has just gone too far. even Labor voters know they made a big mistake. Who paid for Gillard and her boyfriend, running half around the world? us? and they want to punish the poor? You can bet most of those poor bugga’s voted Labor and after this they will probably never vote Labor again..I wouldn’t if they did it to me

    • Luke says:

      11:56am | 02/05/11

      She hasnt lost yet…

    • Not nossy thank god. says:

      11:57am | 02/05/11

      What amazes me is that in his last paragraph, Mal apparently assumes that gender bias may come into play to save Gillard at the next election - “there will be women forced to decide whether they could allow a defeat which might be used to disqualify other women from becoming prime minister.”

      Perhaps he should also acknowledge that gender bias is possibly the ONLY reason she is currently PM. I cannot believe the number of smart capable talented women I associate and work with who voted Labor for the first time at the last election just so they could hope to celebrate a women being elected PM in her own right. They did not care for her policies, only that it be seen that a women COULD make it to the top job. If my experience is indicative of even only a small proportion of the female (and some male) voters, it is highly likely she is only in the PMs office solely BECAUSE of her gender.

    • Knemon says:

      01:34pm | 02/05/11

      ...and all the misogynists voted for Abbott!!

    • NNTG says:

      04:56pm | 02/05/11

      Knemon, so you’re telling me that those who didn’t vote Labor/Greens all hate women? I certainly believe that the percentage of men who may have voted against Labor due to any “misogynistic” tendencies would be far outweighed by those who voted Labor, both men and women, solely because they wanted to see a female PM elected in her own right.

      Misogynist would have to be one of the most misused words in the vocabulary today. Do you and others of your ilk honestly believe there is such a deep hatred of women amongst the male population? If so, then I truly do wonder and despair at what is being espoused in our educational institutions.

    • Knemon says:

      07:53am | 03/05/11

      @NNTG - read what I said, there are only seven words!!

    • poa says:

      12:02pm | 02/05/11

      Easy to igbnore Gillard’s gender.
      Unlike a lot of people I wasn’t so bigotted as to vote for somebody based on their gender.
      The question is not whether our PM is a he or a she.
      The question is “Are they competent?”
      And thats a question you refuse to ask Malcom.

    • nossy says:

      12:29pm | 02/05/11

      It must be galling to all the Liberal boys and gels here that “Tony the One Trick Pony” cant seem to best Gillard in the Preffered PM polls - not even coming close. No matter how the Libs try to dress Abbott up he keeps coming up as Dr NO ! Oh Dr No how low can you go !  hahaahahahahahah
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9fs_6v20Cw

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      12:47pm | 02/05/11

      nossy,
      who gives a SHIT about preffered PM, when UNPOPULAR Abbott did beat giggling gillard at last election 73 seats lib to 72 seats lab.
                                  Scary dont you think.
      Stick that one in your gob and Get ready for your new PM. the days of your Piss Weak labor mob are on the Countdown.

    • nossy says:

      01:03pm | 02/05/11

      @TCB 24 X 7 - getting a bit testy there TCB - home truths hurt lassie !  hahahah

    • Ryan says:

      01:09pm | 02/05/11

      @TCB 24 X 7: nossy is heading for NZ when Abbott wins, well at least that is what he promised (we know how loose Laborites are with promises though), lets hope they accept him at the border.

    • Mel says:

      10:42pm | 02/05/11

      Wrong, TCB.

      Gillard beat Abbott 76 to 74.

      Suffer in your jocks, losers.

    • St. Michael says:

      12:32pm | 02/05/11

      Look, the problem with Julia is the same problem with Obama.  They weren’t discriminated against in the polls that got them elected.  Far from it.  I think it’s more or less acknowledged that a big slice of the voting population preferenced them *because* of their gender or ethnicity, and those people are now rather angry that voting for the ‘first black President’ or ‘first female PM’ does not automatically translate to competence or any particular ability to do the job better than their peers.

      I actually think the present foment over Gillard is the population getting mad because affirmative action at the ballot box does not actually produce decent leaders.  Gillard and Obama both are proving with every dumb or tepid decision that you don’t in fact have to be an exceptionally gifted black or exceptionally gifted female to get above the “glass ceiling” that the Left keeps screaming exists.

      Quite the contrary.  QED, American democracy is so bend-over-backwards egalitarian that it is prepared to elect an untested, inexperienced half-black man than any experienced white man to its highest office.  In Australia, we’re so egalitarian that as a country we could not decide between an unpopular woman and a fanatically religious man, both of whom served as ministers in government and both of whose records were available for scrutiny and comment.  If you run the line that Gillard was in fact democratically elected, I would posit the only reason she and Labor got over the line was *because* she was female and because people thought she’d be superawesome simply because she was the first female to do the job.

    • Dave says:

      12:38pm | 02/05/11

      This bloke only want “Free Workers” for a low wage then think the bosses will hire them who is he kidding??? when I send 5000 CV’S away, even stood on the highway for a job, and I have diploma, and other quilifications who is he kidding??? the insignificant amount one gets on the dole cant cover , Rent,Utilities,Petrol, Food, Transport Costs, Clothes, Drycleaning of a Suit, costs of living, raising high school children, uniforms, books, PC, Internet, Mobil Phone, (have to have one these days), shoes, other expenses.I now ask Treasurer Wayne Swan, do you think I really want to get your god dame dole??? as it is way below impoverishment, thanks to your god dam cost of living, and “Age Discrimination”, no matter how quilified I am all I can do is use my TAFE Quilifications as Toilet Paper…. All the boses want is the government hand out for that worker and when its time for the boss to pay full amount they get rid if you and you have no leg to stand on, thanks to your so called reforms….

    • The Redman says:

      03:07pm | 02/05/11

      Well, your diploma certainly wasn’t in English, spelling or grammer. It is also clearly not in political science or history, either, seeing as you make absolutely no sense at all. The treasurer’s dole? Look up you history, mate, and you’ll find there has been welfare assistance for the unemployed has existed in Australia since the 1920’s, and has never been abolished by any government of any persuasion. If your CV reads anything like this, it’s no wonder you don’t have a job. Nobody would understand a bloody word of it. Exactly what is your TAFE ‘diploma’ in? Macrame?

    • The Redman says:

      03:11pm | 02/05/11

      I meant grammar of course. Meant to correct before I sent.

    • Dave says:

      05:04pm | 02/05/11

      The Redman needs to look past the square:
      In Australia, social security benefits, including unemployment benefits, are funded through the income tax system. There is no compulsory national unemployment insurance fund, rather, benefits are provided for in the annual Federal Budget by the National Treasury and are administrated and distributed throughout the nation by Centrelink. Benefit rates are indexed to the Consumer Price Index and are adjusted twice a year according to the amount of underlying inflation or deflation.
      There are two types of payment available to those experiencing unemployment. The first, called Youth Allowance, is paid to young people aged 16–20 (or 15, if deemed independent by Centrelink). Youth Allowance is also paid to full-time students aged 16–24, and to full-time Australian Apprenticeship workers aged 16–24. People aged below 18 who have not completed their High School education, are usually required to be in full-time education, undertaking an apprenticeship or doing training to be eligible for Youth Allowance. For single under 18 year olds living at home the basic rate is A$91.60 per week. For over 18 to 20 years olds living at home this increases to A$110.15 per week. For those aged 18–20 not living at home the rate is A$167.35 per week. There are special rates for those with partners and/or children.
      The second kind of payment is called Newstart Allowance and is paid to unemployed people over the age of 21 and under the pension eligibility age. To get Newstart you must be unemployed, be prepared to enter into an Employment Pathway Plan (previously called an Activity Agreement) by which you agree to undertake certain activities to increase your opportunities for employment, are an Australian Resident and satisfy the income test (which limits weekly income to A$32 per week before benefits begin to reduce, until your income reaches A$397.42 per week at which point no unemployment benefits are paid) and the assets test (you can have assets of up to A$161,500 if you own a home before the allowance begins to reduce and $278,500 if you do not own a home). The rate of Newstart allowance as at the 12th January 2010 for single people without children is A$228 per week, paid fortnightly. (This does not include supplemental payments such as Rent Assistance.) Different rates apply to people with partners and/or children.
      The system in Australia is designed to support citizens no matter how long they have been unemployed. This has been criticized by some conservative commentators, who allege that welfare generates a ‘culture of welfare dependence’. In recent years the former Coalition government under John Howard has increased the requirements of the Activity Agreement, providing for controversial schemes such as Work for the Dole, which requires that people on benefits for 6 months or longer work voluntarily for a community organization to increase their skills and job prospects. Since the Labor government under Kevin Rudd was elected in 2008, the length of unemployment before one is required to fulfil the requirements of the Activity Agreement (which has been renamed the Employment Pathway Plan) has increased from six to twelve months. There are other options available as alternatives to the Work for the Dole scheme, such as undertaking part-time work or study and training, the basic premise of the Employment Pathway Plan being to keep the welfare recipient active and involved in seeking full-time work.
      For people renting their accommodation, unemployment benefits are supplemented by Rent Assistance, which, for single people as at the 12th January, 2010, begins to be paid when the weekly rent is more than A$49.70. Rent Assistance is paid as a proportion of total rent paid (to be precise, 75 cents in the dollar over $49.70 up to the maximum). The maximum amount of rent assistance payable is A$55.90 per week, and is paid when the total weekly rent exceeds A$124.24 per week. Different rates apply to people with partners and/or children, or who are sharing accommodation.

    • Dave says:

      05:35pm | 02/05/11

      Social Security (Australia)


      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


      This article is about the system of welfare payments in Australia. For the general concept of providing welfare, see Social security. For other uses, see Social Security (disambiguation).
      Social Security, in Australia, refers to a system of social welfare payments provided by Commonwealth Government of Australia. These payments are administered by a Government body named Centrelink. In Australia, most benefits are subject to a means test.

       


      Contents
      [hide] 1 Legal framework
      2 Payments made under the Social Security Act and the Student Assistance Act 2.1 Income support 2.1.1 Age pension
      2.1.2 Newstart Allowance
      2.1.3 Youth Allowance
      2.1.4 Austudy Payment
      2.1.5 ABSTUDY
      2.1.6 Disability Support Pension
      2.1.7 Sickness Allowance
      2.1.8 Carer Payment
      2.1.9 Parenting Payment
      2.2 Additional and Supplementary Payments 2.2.1 Rent Assistance
      2.2.2 Pharmaceutical Allowance
      2.2.3 Telephone Allowance
      2.2.4 Pensioner Education Supplement

      3 Payments made under the A New Tax System (Family Assistance) Act 3.1 Family Tax benefit
      3.2 Maternity Immunisation Allowance
      3.3 Child Care Benefit
      4 Concession cards
      5 Prisons and psychiatric hospitals
      6 Review of Social Security Decisions 6.1 Internal Review 6.1.1 Original Decision Maker (ODM) Review
      6.1.2 Authorised Review Officer (ARO) Review
      6.2 External Review 6.2.1 The Social Security Appeals Tribunal – SSAT
      6.2.2 The AAT and the Courts
      6.2.3 The Ombudsman

      7 See also
      8 References
      9 Australian Government External links
      10 Other External links

    • The Redman says:

      09:24pm | 02/05/11

      OK. I didn’t read 20% of your response because….well I think it’s clear why I didn’t. Let me make this clear, Dave. I agree with the welfare state. I agree that all welfare should be means tested. And I agree that society, through the government and through taxes, should help those that need it. Even when some of their problems may have been brought on by themselves. F**k me!! I sound like Jesus himself! And I’m a dirty marxist atheist!

    • the whisperer says:

      12:54pm | 02/05/11

      Saskia, are we to understand that your ever-so-brilliant comment means that you never wore white to your wedding? And none of your female rellies to theirs? I think it might be you who has lost touch. And that doesn’t beggar belief.
      Other than than your post is right up there with the best of the offerings from those who think, (don’t think), like you.
      I have become a little puzzled by the number of pretenders to being high-born who constantly refer to the Labor Government being in the minority. How so? The Libs, with Howard in charge, needed the Nats to govern, and for many years prior to the rodent so did previous Lib P.M.s. And you must never talk of Gilliard not having mothered a child. Billy McMahon, the bloke who back-stabbed the competent and much decorated war hero John Gorton failed to father any children. Both he and Gilliard were childless for different reasons, although both by choice, but the basis of their respective choices was different.

    • C1 says:

      12:55pm | 02/05/11

      I do not target Gillard for her gender (incompetence does not discriminate between chromosomes), but I think her use of her gender is very interesting. My wife and I were watching the news during the ‘consultation’ process post election and she had a meeting with one of the independants. Gillard was wearing a relatively low cut top that was quite baggy. She leant over to hand something to her guest and he would have seen a generous view of PM chest. You could tell from his reaction that he had seen more than normal as he quickly averted his eyes and looked both surprised and embarrassed.
      My wife actually picked that exchange up and said that she knew exactly what she was doing.
      It is the same as the flirting, and laughing (giggling?). It is a weapon in her armoury and gets used when needed. She is not unlike many of both sexes who use their respective genders to their advantage - she just happens to be more high profile than the rest of us.

    • edwina robertson says:

      01:00pm | 02/05/11

      Will Tim Mathieson (Julia Gillard’s live-in-lover) be made to get a job like the rest of us told to by Julia , or will he remain a parasite on the hardworking taxpayer???

    • Tojo says:

      02:28pm | 02/05/11

      I am not sure you would call him a parasite. He services her in many different ways. She pays him the dole under the table to do voluntary work for her, a civil servant.

    • The Redman says:

      04:19pm | 02/05/11

      Both of these posts are sickening. Just who do you people think you are? You people are pathetic. Mathieson services our Prime Minister, does he? Well, I’d be pretty certain that Lady Barton “serviced” Sir Edmund, on occassion, wouldn’t you? And if you knew your history, which you don’t, you’d know that many Prime Ministers were ‘serviced’ by many women who did not happen to be their wives.

      You people have no level to which you will not sink.

    • Ryan says:

      04:39pm | 02/05/11

      @The Redman: calm down, they mean the services provided as a beard.

    • Robert Edwinason says:

      06:25pm | 02/05/11

      No, he will continue in his role as spouse of the nations leader
      much like that dimwitted slag Janette Howard did for the last but two prime minister

    • The Redman says:

      09:15pm | 02/05/11

      Noone has ever said this about a PM’s wife. I have no regard for Janette Howard, but I would never post anything like this about her. It’s disgusting. It disgraces reasonable political debate. When these people will reach their nadir, only time will tell.

    • Rosie says:

      05:09pm | 03/05/11

      @ Robert Edwinason

      slag - a prostitute or promiscuous woman or a worthless or insignificant person or wretch ( comtemptible person )

      In God’s name how is it possible to call Mrs Howard a slag? You would have to be 2 bob short of a quid to call someone as lovely, considerate, kind-hearted, gracious and very accommodating to the people of this nation while her husband was our PM for nearly 12 years!

      Whatever, the male version of a slag, that is what you are Robert Edwinason the WANKER!

      Stick to the topic Tim Mathieson ( Julia Gillard’s live in boyfriend, hairdresser, lover or whatever )

    • Ryan says:

      06:33pm | 03/05/11

      @Rosie   Are you suggesting that Tim Mathieson’s not lovely, considerate, kind-hearted, gracious and very accommodating to the people of this nation?

      Was Janette Howard made to get a job?

    • yofussn says:

      01:14pm | 02/05/11

      Yeah Mal, what is it with the Punch that you mostly all only ever seem to be coming across as either Labor party policy spruikers & when that can no longer be suitably believable to act as their apologists & always similarly go on about the Dreaded Wrecka Rabbit as being the main problem. ts as though the Punch is quite unable to ask the hard questions as to labors credibility & competance. Fair shake of the sauce bottle mate as teddy Kevvy once quipped, how about being a little less one sided,,so obviously partisan & start doing what should always be the no.1 rule for journalists , that being not to be seen in any way shape or fashion as being utterly, completely & absolutedly biased in your opinions & take on the substance of our present ruling masters, female or otherwise.

    • thatmosis says:

      01:54pm | 02/05/11

      Who’d a thought ot aye, Jolliar Gillrudd is a woman, wow, headline news. Apart from that startling fact what else have to you to impart upon us lowly peasants, has she actually got a policy right, that would be earth shattering news, is the budget coming in at a surplus in her lifetime, will she ever look half decent on TV, will she stop talking down to the voters and will she actually tell the truth once in a while, nothing too strenuous but just a little truth amongst all the spin and crap. She knows it and the Labor party knows it that she is a dead woman walking and the knives are being sharpened as I post..

    • Katie says:

      02:09pm | 02/05/11

      Everyone saying that Gillard’s greatest downfall is putting back the progression for future female PMs is bleating the exact same crap the article says everyone is bleating.

      Why can’t people be judged on their own competency and merit and now their gender OR what that will do for future PMs of the same gender?? FFS, no one says that about failed male PMs!

      By the way, I thought she looked fabulous at the royal wedding. Trust me, I was surprised too!

    • yofussn says:

      03:04pm | 02/05/11

      No small due credit for an amazing straight face under the circumstances, not given the spontaneous automatic girly giggle, takes one with courage & conviction compelling said to somewhat greater heights, certainly more than could be said for us mere peasants, & otherwise people of no particular hell bent.

    • Maria says:

      03:20pm | 02/05/11

      Gillard has caused untold damage to any further potential female Prime Ministers because of her - she is a frump, she is a liar, she is a backstabbing so and so and she is an absolute amateur and an embarassment.  She simply has no idea.  Poor labor party if that’s the best they could come up with.

    • Joan says:

      10:45pm | 02/05/11

      Yet still beat Tony Abbott, Maria. Poor man.

    • Joyce says:

      03:51pm | 02/05/11

      She enjoys the status of being the First Female PM of Australia and gained more votes based on her gender.  It becomes more of a disappointment when her competence does not meet expectations.

    • stevem says:

      04:30pm | 02/05/11

      I think she probably lost as many votes for being a woman as she gained. The disappointment remains.

    • Phil says:

      04:13pm | 02/05/11

      FFS is Perse dead. I cannot believe that she isnt commenting here today.

    • JR says:

      04:39pm | 02/05/11

      It would be nice, in 10 or 20 years, to be able to look back with both admiration and respect for Australia’s first female PM and have her remembered as an honourable former leader of our country.

      I am not talking about being likeable. For the record, I didn’t like John Howard.
      Work Choices aside, overall I respect what he did for our country and the manner in which he has lead our country.

      Although Ms Gillard is a highly intelligent person, who I am sure will do some good in office, she is not a PM I have respect for.
      Lying about a Carbon Tax, trying to bamboozle Australia with BS in a pitiful attempt to gloss over her pre-election statements that there would not be any carbon tax.
      Not to mention her deceitful conduct in not adhering to the paired voting arrangements, agreed to after the last election.

      These are not the actions of an honorable Leader, regardless of gender.

    • Maria says:

      07:36pm | 02/05/11

      JR, are you mad - where exactly do you see any intelligence?  I have looked and looked and looked and I’m afraid I don’t see any.  All I see is a shallow, deceitful and pathetic excuse for a woman, let alone for a PM

    • JR says:

      08:58am | 03/05/11

      @Maria
      I give her credit for having a Law degree & not tripping over her own words, getting tongue tied whilst expelling her BS.
      Perhaps, in calling her highly intelligent, I have given her too much credit for the aforementioned.

    • Dann.C says:

      04:50pm | 02/05/11

      In Parliament she displays such a bitchy,spiteful,arrogant,vindictive attitude which so unbecoming of a socalled PM that she sdoes not deserve the   respect f rom the public,not to also acknowledge her continual lie inya face attitude.
      As for her partner tagging along, he is more embarassing than her to watch the way he is has to be in every photo and acting as if he was someone of importance etc. I laughed when the chinese guy did not shake his hand in return smile Anyway they looked at the weding like Ma and Pa Kettle.

    • Dave says:

      05:19pm | 02/05/11

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    • Dave says:

      05:30pm | 02/05/11

      Social Security (Australia)


      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


      This article is about the system of welfare payments in Australia. For the general concept of providing welfare, see Social security. For other uses, see Social Security (disambiguation).
      Social Security, in Australia, refers to a system of social welfare payments provided by Commonwealth Government of Australia. These payments are administered by a Government body named Centrelink. In Australia, most benefits are subject to a means test.

       


      Contents
      [hide] 1 Legal framework
      2 Payments made under the Social Security Act and the Student Assistance Act 2.1 Income support 2.1.1 Age pension
      2.1.2 Newstart Allowance
      2.1.3 Youth Allowance
      2.1.4 Austudy Payment
      2.1.5 ABSTUDY
      2.1.6 Disability Support Pension
      2.1.7 Sickness Allowance
      2.1.8 Carer Payment
      2.1.9 Parenting Payment
      2.2 Additional and Supplementary Payments 2.2.1 Rent Assistance
      2.2.2 Pharmaceutical Allowance
      2.2.3 Telephone Allowance
      2.2.4 Pensioner Education Supplement

      3 Payments made under the A New Tax System (Family Assistance) Act 3.1 Family Tax benefit
      3.2 Maternity Immunisation Allowance
      3.3 Child Care Benefit
      4 Concession cards
      5 Prisons and psychiatric hospitals
      6 Review of Social Security Decisions 6.1 Internal Review 6.1.1 Original Decision Maker (ODM) Review
      6.1.2 Authorised Review Officer (ARO) Review
      6.2 External Review 6.2.1 The Social Security Appeals Tribunal – SSAT
      6.2.2 The AAT and the Courts
      6.2.3 The Ombudsman

      7 See also
      8 References
      9 Australian Government External links
      10 Other External links
      This is what Welfare is, does this mean all of the above is going to be looked????

    • gladys says:

      05:46pm | 02/05/11

      Why should the PM be exempt from criticism of how she dresses (and praise if she gets it right)?

      Ask any woman who goes to the school gate if she feels judged and I bet they’d say the PM should set an example she is prepared to live with.

      The other thing to consider is that many women only have this over the PM. We’ve been slugged with some suprises she was dropped into the job, something a lot of women wouldn’t mind happening to them, and so now she can pay for it by wearing the criticism when she wears the wrong thing.

    • Holly says:

      06:05pm | 02/05/11

      Perse probably has better things to do.  And so did I for a week.  Certainly in the commnents here we have here proof of Lindsay Tanner’s theories regarding the media.  Had to laugh at Barrie Cassidy on Insiders yesterday - interviewed Tanner somewhat truculently then went straight on to demonstrate everything that Tanner had put forward about the dumbing down of political comment.

      PS I might be developing cataracts but the jacket was definitely not white - but what would it matter if it was?

      Dann. C hope you feel a whole lot better now.  What a sad lot of people we have become when in order to feel better about ourselves we have to resort
      to personal insult instead of informed comment.

    • Stephen Johnson says:

      06:53pm | 02/05/11

      Julia Gillard didn’t serve as Mark Latham’s deputy Labor leader. That honour went to another woman, Jenny Macklin.

    • the liberal loafer says:

      07:15pm | 02/05/11

      women are the leaders of tomorrow.
      men are leaders of yesterday

    • the liberal loafer says:

      07:19pm | 02/05/11

      women are better than men.

    • chris says:

      07:26pm | 02/05/11

      She’s sh*t. Bring in Abbott and the Liberals already

    • Mark says:

      10:48pm | 02/05/11

      You had your chance last August and blew it. Remember?

    • Ryan says:

      07:34pm | 02/05/11

      Gender has nothing to do with it, her being an untrustworthy, deceitful, dishonest, dishonourable, incompetetant and unelected leader is the problem.

    • spittle detector says:

      07:56pm | 02/05/11

      could you wipe the dribble off your chin after you have a brain fart?
      It’s most unbecoming.

    • Ryan says:

      09:34pm | 02/05/11

      wow what a low class comment from someone whose opinion is completely irrelivant.

    • The Redman says:

      09:58pm | 02/05/11

      Ryan, I could have sworn you were talking about John Howard.

    • Against the Man says:

      10:03pm | 02/05/11

      Actually Ryan you have just commented on the ‘real’ Julia and sadly the ‘real’ Julia isn’t a great human being. Some people still haven’t come to term with that simple fact.

    • Ryan says:

      12:28pm | 03/05/11

      @The Redman: perhaps “spittle detector” is!

    • Bob Enquest says:

      07:45pm | 02/05/11

      I get it : people should ignore her gender, but should vote for her because of it!?!?!

    • Ms. Sensible Shoes says:

      08:20pm | 02/05/11

      I’m sick to death of the media driven obsession with clothes, fashion and style when it comes to women. The Logies and the royal wedding were the last straw. I don’t care what you wear, how high your heels are or what colour your lipstick is. Just do your effing job. Women, we need to stop buying into all this insignificant, unimportant, superficial crap. We’re human beings not walking mannequins. It’s embarrassing the way so many women willingly reduce themselves and other women to appearance as though it’s of primary importance above all else. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

    • The Redman says:

      09:56pm | 02/05/11

      Well, yes. But I still like seeing their boobs, even when they are clothed. This is a joke, people. Well,to a point. I do like boobs.

    • Kim says:

      09:30pm | 02/05/11

      Don’t really care about Gillard, bit less offensive than Abbot but that’s about it. 

      But I am really bothered by part of this article, where the writer references a call in radio question about tampons.  Seriously?  That’s pretty sexist and inflammatory, and fairly disgusting.  And I’m talking about the author of this column, not the immature idiot on the call in show.  That’s tantamount to repeating someones question about whether taxpayers paid for Kevin Rudd’s “personal time” lotion and tissues.  Does the phrase “responsible journalism” ring ANY bells?

    • Susie says:

      10:44pm | 02/05/11

      Are people not confusing gender (social construct) with biological sex?

    • Anna of Sydney says:

      11:08pm | 02/05/11

      Oh yes, yes - Julia Gillardis is a terribly teribly inept PM.  But you know she did try to dress for the wedding.  Its just that she is not a feminine person and is more comfortable in manly attire.  It was like she was playing dress-ups.  You wonder about Tim’s role.  I would feel sorry for her if she wasn’t doing this country and her gender so much damage.  And I am, afraid she will get down to the low 20’s soon enough.  The independents must be feeling very nervous - they sure backed the wrong horse.  On the 15th May there is a rally against Oakshott in Port MacQuarie , buses being run with Cata.

    • Cate P says:

      11:08pm | 02/05/11

      The last paragraph of this piece is a pretty desperate effort and rather patronising - do you really think women are so stupid?  Ms Gillard is leading a bad and ineffectual govt and will be answerable for that at the next election.  I am sure women will decide on that basis, not on the basis of gender.  Ridiculous.

    • The Redman says:

      08:01am | 03/05/11

      Should she get out her birth certificate too? God, you people are so foolish.

    • Soos of nowhere special says:

      02:46am | 03/05/11

      @Tony of Poorakistan says:09:20am | 02/05/11
      “Maybe someone could make a point that she lied more because she is a woman, but I doubt it. She lied because she is Julia Gillard and that’s what she does. “
      No, she she lied because she is a politician, and that is what they all do!!

    • Daffy says:

      04:43am | 03/05/11

      Erin @ 8-35.
      Labor didn’t just try one woman who has been a failure, you must have a short memory, what Kristina and Anna they are or will be recent history.

    • retired says:

      06:11am | 03/05/11

      Let’s just do a quick survey of Australian Leaders (who happened to be female):

      Joan Kirner - fail;
      Carmen Lawrence - fail;
      Julia Gillard - fail;
      Anna Bligh - C minus;
      Kristina Kenneally - C plus

      That’s 5 out of 5 (Labor) people who wouldn’t be recommended for the gig again, at least not by voters.

    • Abbottabad says:

      11:06am | 03/05/11

      Let’s just do a quick survey of Australian Leaders (who happened to be female and Liberals):

      Oh.

      Epic fail.

    • bec says:

      08:06pm | 03/05/11

      Hang on, someone is rating Kristina Kenneally as being better than another premier?

      Even if said premier was in the middle of having sex with the corpse of a homeless man, it would only be on strictest technicality that it could be said that KK was better than them.

    • JGdoesnotrepresentaustralianwomen says:

      06:29am | 03/05/11

      this sounds like a case of men defending shitty old women ,like gillard-arse,who no woman sees as accurately representing “women”.
      see no-one praising kate ellis for instance.
      *how much money did WE spend on your ROYAL WEDDING TRIP/CLOTHES???* Did you pay for it yourself JULIA?
      also, this crap:
      “She enjoys the status of being the First Female PM of Australia and gained more votes based on her gender”
      She NEGOTIATED her WAY IN- DID NOT WIN VOTES. As Phony Tony and Juliar are interchangeably moronic and revolting to look at- what a choice for for Katter et to choose from! Katter wanted Rudd but picked Tony.
      The other clearly wanted to see Tony lose.
      I still think Kevin Rudd should be PM. He was VOTED IN. I did not like my vote being pushed aside for some notional argument within the ALP.

    • Nik says:

      01:50pm | 03/05/11

      Actually the Labor party was voted in, and they pick the leader of the Party. The public does not vote for the Prime Minister. Maybe you should understand how Australian politics works.

    • ty says:

      10:35pm | 03/05/11

      I agree. she does not accurately portray australian women.
      that does not make her unique-but she does lack an ability to connect with
      any age group of australians-female or male. any PR company would be
      hard-pressed to re-define lack-lustre gillard.(ie: no way! not her!)
      Decent ? Decent where ? to whom? to what century? It’s not the 1950’s.
      In fact, my 86 yr-old grandmother despairs at the banality of Gillard.
      Decent? to gay marriage?  to elderly and vulnerable Australians?,
      Australian citizens who are innocent?
      Decent is red and white jackets and thick legs, in fact she looks like something off “Little Britain”.
      No, not decent at all = very bland. Activist??= just an Act.

      It was a hung parliament Nik(below) actually. a hung parliament occurs when neither major political party (or bloc of allied parties) has an absolute majority of seats in the parliament (legislature).which IS what happened.
      And julia g did have to negotiate-use her lawyer skills-to secure a position.
      of course her party chose her to be PM-that’s not the argument JGdoesnotrepresentaustralianwomen is positing.

    • cmcd says:

      07:11am | 03/05/11

      gender? what gender?

    • Dave says:

      11:01am | 03/05/11

      $1,000,000,000 or 1 x 10^9 = Billion dollars, bank profit for this financial year is $12,000,000,000. Billion dollars, and the government allows this, then tells the rest of the community that we have to “Help Low Income for bills in NSW” is it that the governments are getting a slice of this pie then place the blame on “Help Low Income for bills In NSW” ?,this is not management of the country, this is pure dishonesty, double-dealing,indirection, and subterfuge, and covert, to which is of deliberately deceiving the people of Australia. What else?, oh yes Fuel, health,oh the list is too big. The dollar is surging higher, and exports are slowing, hence jobs will suffer, yet this PM walks with her nose so high, as if she is scrapping roof of every building she walks into around the world, no matter how high it may be. We are suffering yet we have $25 Million dollars for Lybia, $5 Million for NZ, not yet revealed how much for Japan?, oh yes we also helped the US on their Tornados, yes the people of QLD, VIC, and our farmers and people here are suffering badly we have plenty of money to give to other countries, why is this??,  our so called “TOOTHLESS Watchdogs”, are being replaced by Mr. Swan, what for?, the new will be no better. We are now deemed one of three highest in the world list of “Benevolint Countries” ” Marked by generosity and openhandedness”, yet we as a people are suffering badly with everything.. Enough of the covert sneaky way of dealing with the people of this country PM.

    • polly says:

      12:39pm | 03/05/11

      I have had enough of the endless demeaning, carping, criticism and constant undermining of Julia Gillard. She is a decent woman who is about more than her gender, her wardrobe and her marital status. The personal criticism is positively medieval in its underlying mistrust, dislike and suspicion of a woman in a position of power.  We can only look to our immaturity, superstition and prejudice to explain the behaviour we are witnessing which is unforgiving and relentless in its attack, and would never be meted out with such ferocity and bile to a man in her position. We need to grow up.

    • Nik says:

      01:53pm | 03/05/11

      Thank you for a comment that can only be described as a diamond in the rough. I am appalled by the level of vitriolic disdain and sexism that abounds within the comments on this article.

    • JR says:

      02:38pm | 03/05/11

      Polly want a…clue?
      Yes she is being demeaned, criticised and undermined, mainly because she has proven herself to be a deceitful and tricky political creature.

      It has nothing to do with gender.
      Johnny Howard did a backflip on his “never ever” promise about the GST, but he had the decency to make it an election issue and give voters a chance to kick him out of government before trying to implement it.

      Unfortunately, Australia’s first female PM is an embarrassment.
      What a shame, would have been nice to have a good role model for young women to be proud of and aspire to.

    • Nik says:

      10:45pm | 03/05/11

      As a young woman JR, I’d appreciate it if you let me decide who my role models will be, rather than dictate who you think they should be.

    • JR says:

      11:25am | 04/05/11

      @ Nik
      Of course you can decide whoever your role model(s) are.
      I am not trying to dictate anything.

      I will concede that it would be more appropriate to say that it would have been nice to have someone who COULD be a role model, or at the very least an example that whilst not perfect, Australia is at least progressing in the area of gender equality.

      But, If Julia is a person you look up to, then I assume honesty and integrity are low on your list of priorities, in which case you may go very far in business/politics if that is your area of interest.

    • M is for Moderation says:

      10:14pm | 03/05/11

      I don’t understand the criticism on her wardrobe. Admittedly I’m not a fashion-follower myself but I like her clothes…
      I didn’t like the way she came into power but I am not a Liberal supporter, nor do I ever see myself becoming one, and so voted for Labor at the last election. I think she’s done quite well at handling the scathing attacks that are far more vicious than I ever saw directed at a male PM or opposition leader. Australians always have a swipe at those in politics, it’s what we do and it’s funny. But there has been a nasty undertone to some of the attacks on this particular PM (Bitch, Witch, budget for tampons, barren) and they are getting my back up. Make fun of the hair. And the clothes if they aren’t to your taste. Definitely the policies, the backflips and all other associated political bad behaviour. But really, be careful what you say when you choose to insult an entire gender for the sake of one person. Oh and for future reference, JuLIAR wasn’t funny or clever the first time it was used, and is becoming less so every time someone jumps on the bandwagon…

    • Truth says:

      11:43pm | 03/05/11

      she is a well known lesbian. her partner is a gay hairdresser. she has no kids. she has no grasp on reality, therefore how can she understand the job what most people are going through at moment.

    • caroline harper says:

      12:55am | 04/05/11

      people. having worked with JULIAR during her pre PM days I can assure you she can hold her own with anyone. You have to walk down the corridor as she gives some one a true dressing down to knwo just how strong she can be
      The bottom line is that we are a far more educated electorate than in previous generations. We are looking for leadership qualities and for our politicains to substantiate why they have the roles they do have.
      Labor are a sad andunskilled in a commercial world ( no union movement is not commercial world) in the main - some exceptions.
      Would AMP, CBA emply swan to run their economic office. Would he even get a job as a beaurocrat in Treasury - I doubt it
      As boring as it is listen to them in question time, if that does not want to make you to run from these clowns - the red head being the head of the circus nothing will.

    • apes says:

      07:50am | 04/05/11

      I don’t understand why a woman is not allowed to be as incompetent as a man? If we’ve had 200 years or so of male governance, good and bad, why can’t a woman be apart of that as well? Incompetence is incompetence. Noone ever accused John Howard of being a racist uncaring conservative traditionalist so and so because of his gender. So, for goodness sakes, I say women have earned the right to be as incompetent as the men.

    • Dave says:

      09:52am | 04/05/11

      Gender is not the issue here, today’s survey states that 60% “Do Not Want Carbon Tax, and 30% Want it, 10% unsure”, When any member of parliment who Lie to the voters and state,“there will be no carbon tax whilst Im PM”,  to which is a statement or declaration that is not true, and to be untruthful directly and indirectly to the people of Australia, even you must admit to equivocate and falsify a declaration must have action taken or else where is the justice in the employment of being truthful?, in otherwords justice is far better served if everyone lies, is this what you want from our leaders who govern our lives in every way?, then adds extra to their own wages and forgets the rest of Australia. Male or female does not matter, when one stands into the arena of government, it effects one and all within out community, just look at the cost of living, Food, Baby Gear, Child Care, Rego,public transport, License, basic Cost Of Living, Utilities, Health, Raods, (Toll every were) is this not “Public Roads”?, Fuel, ACCC Toothless, entertainment, even for the kids, $50. does not go far these days, then we the people of NSW will suffer for years to come, why, because of extreme inabiltiy and inadequacy of government, the finger is not pointed on the gender, rather the government who is in the hot seat at the time, as we the people elected the best of the Parties available at the time of the elections.

    • Lisa says:

      11:06am | 04/05/11

      I’m just so disappointed that Julia Gillard is representing Australian women on the international stage. She is not at all feminine, needs voice & style coaching, appears entirely insincere and has never had a real job. But I wholeheartedly agree the major problem with her has nothing to do with her gender. It’s because of her incompetence, and the incompetence of the Labor government.

    • Richard says:

      04:20pm | 04/05/11

      Yeah. Prime Minister of Australia. What kind of job is that? Failures the lot of them.

    • Judith says:

      05:18pm | 08/05/11

      There was a lot of talk about the GST, but I never heard John Howard actually come out and say we ARE going to have a GST, it was taken for granted by the public and if you remember he only just scraped over the line, and it was all thank’s to Pauline Hanson’s prefereces, now tell me we wanted it. The GST has killed off any hope of Pensioner’s being able to feed them-selves properly, an extra 30 or 40 dollars on their light or phone bill has really hurt them, nothing Labor could do will ever top that.Big business get their GST back and that’s who the Libs look after, wake up Australia.

    • Moz says:

      07:53pm | 16/07/11

      It’s pretty obvious, from reading the many comments on here, that women have no hope of ever being able to go beyond the limits that have been set for them by society and culture - there are always too many men, who just want to criticise and squash the life out of them.  Why?  Who knows?  Maybe it’s because men fear who women can become and what they can achieve, if given the same free reign as them.

 

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