Don’t laugh - but Julia Gillard is staking her leadership on her abilities as a salesperson.

Mark Knight gold

The prime minister is gambling that she can sell voters on the idea that all asylum seeker boat arrivals from now on are Tony Abbott’s fault.

She thinks she can be more successful at this than Abbott will be in trying to foist the blame on to her and the Government every time another group of boat people disembarks on Christmas Island.

But sadly, if Gillard’s performance since she became PM is any guide, she is dreaming.

Despite the media training she received recently, her manner has not become discernably less wooden. And her broken election promise on a carbon tax has trashed her credibility.         

Abbott, on the other hand, is a slippery but very effective salesman.

People seem prepared to buy just about anything he says, and when he backtracks or contradicts himself on an issue - as he does so often - they buy that too. If they buy Abbott’s line this time, and reject Gillard’s, the push to return Kevin Rudd to the Labor leadership will be almost irresistible.

And there would be irony in that because Gillard and her backers ruthlessly used the asylum seeker issue as a weapon against Rudd when they ousted him from the prime ministership 15 months ago.

What gave impetus to the anti-Rudd move was a NSW state by-election in the western Sydney electorate of Penrith that saw an extraordinary 24 per cent swing against Labor.         

The plotters presented the result as evidence of public concern over asylum seeker boat arrivals and Rudd’s failure to solve the problem. Rudd was gone five days later.

That may well have been in Gillard’s mind yesterday as she fronted the media after news that the navy had intercepted two more boats carrying a total of 126 people.

She knows that, with her plan to send asylum seekers to Malaysia for processing now dead in the water, plenty more boats will be on the way. 

Some Labor MPs are scratching their heads.

They understand why Gillard wanted legislation to circumvent the High Court decision that ruled her Malaysian solution invalid. But they wonder why she is pressing ahead when, with both the opposition and the Greens opposing it, defeat on the floor of parliament is certain.

“Masochism,” says one. “All pain and no gain,” says another.

But Gillard wants the Coalition to be seen voting the amendments down.

She believes that will give weight to the proposition that the Government is serious about stopping the boats while Abbott is “the people smugglers’ friend”.

“We will see more boats and Mr Abbott will have to take the responsibility,” Gillard said yesterday.       

It is the kind of strategy a top class politician like, say, Paul Keating, would be able to execute to deadly effect.

But Gillard is no Keating.She has got herself into a remarkable position. Not only is the opposition leader able to attack from the right, portraying Labor as soft on border security.

With Gillard so committed to the Malaysian solution, he is now coming at her from the left as well, presenting himself as more compassionate towards refugees.

The hypocrisy of Abbott’s stance - that asylum seekers should only be sent to countries that have signed the United Nations refugee convention - is blatant.

Malaysia is not a signatory, but neither was Nauru when the Howard Government built a processing centre there. And the centrepiece of Abbott’s policy is that, where possible, boats should be towed back to Indonesia - even though that country has not signed the UN convention either.

Abbott has also heard directly from the head of the Immigration Department that the government’s proposal offers a much better chance of stopping the boats than the coalition’s Nauru alternative.     

It is clear his priority is to destroy the last vestige of Gillard’s authority, not help the government to counter people smuggling. 

The Coalition does not have a monopoly on hypocrisisy, though. The Government is into it too.

Labor used to be adamant that refugee processing should not occur in non-signatory countries. And, as ALP elder statesman John Faulkner made clear at Tuesday’s Caucus meeting, the Malaysian deal is incompatible with the party platform.

There is some talk that, if the crunch comes over Gillard’s leadership, a return to the human rights values implicit in the platform could provide part of the justification for a Rudd restoration.

Rudd’s record on asylum seekers is hardly flash, but on the night Gillard moved against him he did warn against “a lurch to the right”.

That now has resonance with many disillusioned Labor supporters as well as with a significant number of Caucus members. 

Abbott’s response to Gillard yesterday was typically aggressive:

This is a pretty desperate prime minister who has lost control of our borders, who has lost control of our detention centres and now is in danger of losing control of the parliament.

A majority of Labor MPs would still like to give Gillard more time to turn Labor’s fortunes around. No challenge is imminent, despite this week’s stirring.

But if Abbott again does a better selling job and wins this latest asylum seeker blame game, it’s likely all bets will be off.

Laurie Oakes is political editor for the Nine Network. His column appears every Saturday in News Ltd newspapers.

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    • Erick says:

      06:13am | 24/09/11

      So if Rudd becomes PM again, will he relax the policy on asylum seekers? This would only make the ALP less popular with the general public in the medium term.

      The biggest risk for Australia in the short term is Rudd becoming PM, gaining a surge of sympathy in the polls, holding a snap election and winning. We’d be stuck with yet another three years of incompetent, destructive government.

      Let’s hope they stick with Gillard until the next election.

    • Soames says:

      09:34am | 24/09/11

      The first one of these children to blink, and change policy to NO offshore processing of asylum seekers, will win this paper, rock, scissors game. Rudd won’t be back, same as the other failed actor, big Arnie.

    • Erick says:

      11:44am | 24/09/11

      @Soames - Well, yes, the first one to simply refuse to process boat people at all, and just send them back, will win.

      However, that would require major legislative amendments, adn the dumping of the anachronistic Refugee Convention of 1948.

    • same old says:

      02:18pm | 24/09/11

      wow Erick, you really think everyone has the ‘selfish, righteous prick’ outlook like you.If you can simultaneously assume that a return of Rudd could bank on a sympathy bout to have labour re-elected in a snap election - it shows how deeply you really do understand the collective Australian psyche. It is as usual a wonderous and deeply informative thing to read the spray of your beligerant opinions.

    • Erick says:

      06:10pm | 24/09/11

      @same old - No, I just pay attention to opinion polls. Gillard got a bounce when she first took over, though it melted away in a matter of weeks. I expect Rudd may fare similarly.

      If you cast aside your preconceptions, and look at empirical facts, you will see things more clearly.

    • john says:

      10:04pm | 24/09/11

      @Erick “Let’s hope they stick with Gillard until the next election.”

      They don’t have a choice. The governor general and labor are too well connected, as you may know bill shorten & the GG’s daughter etc, who knows how deep the connections are, fractured or not.. As you also know it was Rudd that put the GG there http://www.gg.gov.au/content.php/page/id/4. It is unlikely that anyone wants to rock the boat any more until the next election. Especially now with the reining monarch visiting next month and Obama in the near future we all have to show the eyes of the world we are a nice stable colony if we are ever worthy of respectable independence from the UK in the future, especially in this well connected global community.

      Even if Abbot wins the next election, things will get worse, the Greens will hold the balance of power in the senate, double dissolution 1975 in reverse, this time Abbot gets fired by the GG? Quentin Bryce? 

      Abbott will need to start kissing Bob Browns arse to be able to govern- after all he said he will do anything to be PM, even “sell his arse”.

      The real question is, will he sell his arse to Bob brown to stay PM? The irony of it all, on so many levels. ‘Shit happens’ will all come back to haunt Abbott. One wonders if its just better to get Malcolm back 6 months prior election?

      Clearly Gillard is morphing into a puppet PM for Rudd to maintain his 747 lifestyle, the GG to enjoy the trappings of GG office, for the Greens to get what they want. for asylum seekers to get what they want, for the Unions to get what they want. For the independents to get all they can steal….for china & anyone else from overseas who wants to plunder or sell out Australia for absolutely anything they want- fosters,virgin,china, farmers, nz apples, mining…etc etc just to name a few. Even as bald as Qantas board selling to private enterprise few years back & singapore going for our ASX !!! For heavens sake if their is a god have mercy, Australian citizens are on their knees already!!

      Its free for all, open season, and its us little people that will suffer from those who walk the corridors of political or corporate power who are just in it for themselves.

      I am liberal leaning these-days but dare I say Gillard may really be fighting for us, to grab more for us little people - our share from carbon,mining taxes etc.before everything and anything- even the canberra lodge’s kitchen sink is all gone.

    • acotrel says:

      07:56am | 25/09/11

      ‘The prime minister is gambling that she can sell voters on the idea that all asylum seeker boat arrivals from now on are Tony Abbott’s fault.’

      And it going to be really difficult to sell that idea ?  It just happens to be the TRUTH !

    • acotrel says:

      08:55am | 25/09/11

      Erick says:11:44am | 24/09/11

      @Soames - Well, yes, the first one to simply refuse to process boat people at all, and just send them back, will win.

      However, that would require major legislative amendments, adn the dumping of the anachronistic Refugee Convention of 1948.


      So now Australia is to become isolationist ?  We can kiss our foreign markets goodbye !

    • ryan says:

      10:25am | 25/09/11

      “If you cast aside your preconceptions, and look at empirical facts, you will see things more clearly. “
      Glad to see you changed your thoughts on Global warming.

    • Dan says:

      03:21pm | 25/09/11

      @ Erick

      “...will he relax the policy on asylum seekers? This would only make the ALP less popular with the general public in the medium term.”

      The polls indicate that wouldn’t be the case. The majority support on-shore processing, and a more sympathetic approach to asylum seekers.

      Personally I think stopping the boats altogether through a Malaysian solution is (politically speaking) the best approach, neutralising the issue altogether. That appear’s to be the Gillard/Bowen ambition.

      But a new Rudd Government would certainly win back votes, taking a sympathetic stance.

    • Tyr says:

      06:23am | 24/09/11

      I’m surprised acotrel isn’t up already to dish on Abbott!

    • Mattb says:

      10:02am | 24/09/11

      I’m surprised you got up at 6:23am on a saturday to make this point!

    • nossy says:

      12:42pm | 24/09/11

      @Tyr - acotrel is busy commenting on the Dick Smith article.

    • acotrel says:

      03:49pm | 25/09/11

      Tony Abbott is ‘pure of heart’ !  He intends to force Australia to process asylum seekers onshore, as any self-respecting nation should !

    • Andrew7 says:

      06:32am | 24/09/11

      The Immigration Dept also gave advice to the Rudd Govt that rolling back Howards Border Protection Policy would result in an increase of asylum seekers by boat.
      The Rudd Govt ignored that advice, and now Gillard is trying to blame Abbott for the mess she is in on Border Protection Policy and not listening to the Immigration Dept advice which her Government also ignored when Rudd was Leader. The Immigration Dept seem to have had two positions on this issue also.
      Seriously, the public aren’t that stupid to believe Gillard. Gillard looks like an idiot blaming Abbott for her policy failure. Yes, Gillard is dreaming.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:44am | 24/09/11

      ‘Don’t laugh - but Julia Gillard is staking her leadership on her abilities as a salesperson.’

      Well the 1st line says it all. JG isn’t about good leadership or good policies or even about Australia’s best interest.

      JG knows she is finished, but she is being stubborn. A spoilt teenager who always gets what she wants.

      Well she isn’t able to sell us anything so far except her skills at betrayal. For sad shame ol’ Juliar.

    • scaper... says:

      08:15am | 24/09/11

      Kylie Mole???

    • andye says:

      12:08pm | 24/09/11

      @Against the Man - “Well the 1st line says it all. JG isn’t about good leadership or good policies or even about Australia’s best interest.”

      Selling his message is what Abbott has been excelling at while Gillard has been floundering. The reality is the opposite of what you are implying. Her biggest problem is that she is a strange awkward woman. Her greatest sins are verbal ones, like making commitments she would later end up breaking. The biggest problem with the Labor party has been her obvious inexperience and missteps in being the face of the party.

      Their focus is on passing policy, and leadership and salesmanship aren’t really working for them. Now they are buying into the negative game as well to try to counter the excellent work being done by Abbott.

    • Australia 67 USA 5 says:

      01:27pm | 24/09/11

      How can you say that you are
      “Against The Man” ?
      Is your Juliar really Juliar Morrow from the Chaser Gang?
      Julia Gillard is female. Luliar Bishop is female. Juliar Morrow is male!
      Did you not watch the famous ABC TV Show the other night called
      ” In Bed with Juliar”??

    • Against the Man says:

      03:56pm | 24/09/11

      @ andye - I’m just surprised that someone bold enough to back-stab her boss would not have a bag full of policies or policy ideas to implement to justify her actions and show legitimacy for her claim on leadership.

      But you’re right the focus is on passing policy and not leadership. And her being strange and awkward….......well I guess you’re right again smile

    • sunny says:

      06:59pm | 25/09/11

      @Against the Man she didn’t backstab anyone. Emporer Kev was gone daddy gone! She just enabled a slightly honourable exit for him - if it had been down to a ballot he would have been dishonourably shredded. Then he subsequently backstabbed her during the campaign.

    • Gary Cox says:

      06:46am | 24/09/11

      So is it true that Rudd was counting numbers this week Laurie? You should know, wasn’t it you he was leaking to during last year’s election?

    • Super D says:

      07:08am | 24/09/11

      The ALP will never shift the blame on boats.  The whole country knows that the arrivals restarted when the ALP disbanded the successful measures that were in place.  Funny how there’s suddenly not a mention of push factors.  That argument was less seaworthy than an Indonesian fishing boat.

      I think its worth remembering that the Pacific Solution was a suite of policies arrived at incrementally.  The Howard government constantly ratcheted up the disincentives.  There was no grand plan or final solution, just a resolve that boat arrivals wouldn’t be tolerated.  Despite the ALP’s disingenuous claims it worked.  Perhaps it wasn’t 100% effective but it doesn’t actually need to be.  If there are 4 boats a year carrying 100 people its not an issue.  If there’s 10 boats a month carrying 600 it is.  The number of arrivals doesn’t need to be zero, it just needs to be close to zero.

      The only possible way for the ALP to reclaim any credibility is to reintroduce all the Coalition measures and then if they aren’t successful enough then take them further.  Malaysia may even need to be a part of the solution eventually but shouldn’t be simply another leftard grand plan.

      Oh yeah and no one has ever told us what happens once the 800 Malaysia spots are filled - as they would be now had the count not been reset.

    • Ryan says:

      07:21pm | 24/09/11

      If Abbott votes down the amendments we’ll know exactly who to thank for having onshore processing.

    • Labor Treachery says:

      07:50pm | 24/09/11

      The Malaysia Solution is a bridge to far for the high court.

      The Coalition and the media must be questioning the Labor government.  If their legislation was passed and the High Court knocks it down are they prepared to take it to a constitutional change or to change their commitment to the refugee convention to allow third country processing.

    • RyaN says:

      08:18pm | 24/09/11

      @Ryan: is this like deja vu all over again? Yes acotrel/Seano or whomever you are, we will blame Rudd and Labor since it was them that decided to dismantle the pacific solution going against the old adage, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”

    • PTom says:

      10:49pm | 24/09/11

      @RyaN, Just because someone uses there first name and disagree with someone, does not make them a troll, like you.

    • TimB says:

      11:41pm | 24/09/11

      RyaN, ‘ryan’ is ‘Ask a stupid question’ (AASQ). The usual hallmarks of stolen names, repetitive idiotic points and ridiculously twisted logic. Acotrel is a senile idiot, whilst Seano is an arrogant tossbag. They’re pretty distinct from this paticular fool.

      He stopped using a regular screen name a while back after Labor started tanking. I guess you can’t really blame him. I’d be ashamed to support such an incompetent government too.

    • Ryan says:

      12:58am | 25/09/11

      @Ryan or whomever you are   Gillard is moving amendments to allow offshore processing. If Abbott votes them down then we’ll have nobody but him to thank for onshore processing.

    • RyaN says:

      11:53am | 25/09/11

      @Ryan: did Rudd and Labor not dismantle the pacific solution?

    • nihonin says:

      07:14am | 24/09/11

      Rar rar tiss boom bah Kevvie Kevvie Labor’s best by far.  There you go Laurie, summed it up for you in one sentence.  Neither if us needed pom poms either.

    • Craig says:

      07:15am | 24/09/11

      It just shows how different the games being played in Canberra are - Gillard is trying to structure her play, while Abbott is preparing to shunt the entire Labor team into reserve grade.

      If Gillard cannot reassess her play style and bring on a few new (and more experienced) coaches, she risks not just losing this play but the entire season.

      Australian politics won’t get better if we lose one of our two main parties.

    • DP says:

      07:19am | 24/09/11

      Abbot shows no sign of having any ideas himself.  It would be risky, but I wonder if the smartest strategy would be for Labor and the Independants to part ways, possibly at the same time as ditching Gillard - call Abbott’s bluff so to speak and put him in power and reveal him for the poser he seems to be.  It might limit the damage to Labor at the next election,  and perhaps save the Independants arses, but he’d need time to act like the goose he is and go off the nose with the electorate.

      And I know that nobody will believe me, but I’d seriously love to vote for Abbott.  Rudd broke his pact with electorate and Gillard is pathetic beyond words but in political terms Abbott has so far acted like a one trick pony and a poser.  I wish he’d start sharing some positive thoughts.  Modern politics sucks that way though.

    • Markus says:

      10:13am | 24/09/11

      That’s not how it would work. Neither party will be able to form a majority without the Independents or the Greens, and both (Katter excluded) have already indicated they would die before siding with the Liberals.

      If Gillard went ahead with your idea, Abbott/Liberal don’t just automatically get leadership. It would require a double dissolution and another election. And if current polls are anything to go by, Labor would be destroyed.

      I wouldn’t be writing Abbott off just yet either. Liberal will just be saving policy announcements for when an election is actually called.

    • SueB says:

      05:44pm | 24/09/11

      Do you seriously believe Abbott and the Liberals have no policies or plan for government?  It’s called keeping your powder dry.  They learned from Kevvies me tooism in 2007.

      It’s not the Oppositions job to guide Gillard through the tough issues.

    • DP says:

      01:45pm | 25/09/11

      I don’t think Abbott could “do Gillard’s job for her” because they come from different places.  From what I’ve seen of life there is rarely a single correct path…it’s all choices and balance.  In an ideal world politics would be a battle of ideas and not about “keeping your powder dry”.  Like I said…Modern politics sucks that way.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      08:36am | 26/09/11

      It’s not the opposition’s job to ... but it is the oppositions job to act in parliament in the best interests of Australia not simply “oppose.” This is one of the problems with adversarial government - the Australian constitution does not cater for adversarial government but for cooperative government. The “parties” have gone too far for good government - there is now more effort in “getting into government” than governing. Shame but true and not in the interest of the Australian people or economy or any thing else. It is divisive not only at government level but also at the very grass roots level of Australian people.

    • thatmosis says:

      07:21am | 24/09/11

      The main problem with Gillard is that nobody is listening anymore. We are sick of the lies and spin that eminates hourly from her office and that of her incompetant followers. Her credibility is shot to pieces (if she ever had any) and whatever she says is taken as just another attempt to stay in power at the peoples expense. There was a perfectly good policy that worked in place when the ALP took the reigns of power but because it was thought up by Howard it was dismantled and the floodgates opened. There is nobody to blame but the ALP and any attempt to put the blame elsewhere will fall on deaf ears as we all know the truth of the matter.  Rudd was no different and replacing her with him would be just showing Australians and the world that the ALP is populated with losers on a broad scale. Abbott on the other hand just has to keep doing what he is doing and he will romp the next election in as people listen to him as he doesnt carry the baggage that Gillard does.

    • Bruce says:

      09:32am | 24/09/11

      thatmosis. Agree: Really do not care what Juliar says, I have just turned off. The ALP has made this problem for themselves, it is clear they do not know how to arrive at a workable solution. No matter which way the ALP makes a decision they are going to loose this argument.  As for Rudd, surely the labor party can come up with a better alternative. Kev’s fake smiles are just not going to cut it anymore, its been done ! Its now very clear that a minority government is to difficult to handle for the labor party.

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      07:27am | 24/09/11

      Our choice.  A dreaming, incompetent, atheist, professional politician or a slippery, catholic salesman, professional politician.  What’s the common denominator?  This period in our history has been interesting for those that have the time to watch, but nothing to be proud of.
      By the By, the accession of globalisation has produced the professional executive.  He/she jumps from flower to flower via consultancies whilst not having much experience in the business itself, much less the people in it. 
      The future looks bright for one and not all.
      Interesting Article (one of many on the subject) is:  http://www.2020uk.org/topics/governance/central-government/item/24-professional-politicians-and-captains-of-industry-practitioners-or-theorists

    • PeterD says:

      07:34am | 24/09/11

      Is anyone running the country? Gillard seems to be in such a mess all she does is comcentrate on her next attack on Abbott or who next to shift the blame and responsibilty onto.
      We need a Prime Minister, where are you? She’s so busy trying to save the Labor Party and to discredit Abbott she’s forgotten about doing her job as PM. of this country.

    • SueB says:

      05:51pm | 24/09/11

      Every interview with labor politicians is all about Abbott and the opposition They come across as idiots looking over their shoulders.

      It almost like they lost the election (right now they probably wish that they were on the opposite side of the chamber).

    • Shane says:

      07:31pm | 24/09/11

      Belgium’s doing just fine without a Government, and as for Australia; record wealth, record employment, low interest rates, low inflation, and billion dollar long term contracts being signed almost every day. What’s your problem?

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      08:42am | 26/09/11

      SueB. I hate to disagree - you seem not to have heard the mantra by the Coalition including- incompetent, liar, worse in history, inter alia which occur in EVERY comment made by a any Coalition member even before they have responded to “good morning/afternoon/day”

    • jb says:

      07:41am | 24/09/11

      ‘Under a government I lead Asylum seekers will only be sent to countries that are signatories to the UN refugee convention’
      Another day another LIE…

    • One trick Pony says:

      09:40am | 24/09/11

      What do you expect from Abbott?
      He already told us he lies all the time.

    • jb says:

      05:14pm | 24/09/11

      Seriously how long can you guys continue to support this idiot?
      She’s not the rabittohs you know…

    • Cypher says:

      06:17pm | 26/09/11

      ‘Under a government I lead nobody will, ever again, consider voting Labour.’
      There you are Jules, something you can achieve, and the truth too.

    • Watcher says:

      07:51am | 24/09/11

      I don’t like Tony Abbott or Julia Gillard at all. Abbott is to aggressive he comes bellowing on to your tv full of negativity he has also said you have to get anything in writing to believe him. Gillard’s treatment of Rudd was an enlightenment of her character to me anyway, what has come out since has disgusted me.In the past we have always had one person to look up to and respect, not anymore those days seem to be gone. It either a choice of bad or worse. I don’t know who I will vote for, at this stage of the game, the answer would be no one.Hopefully both parties will wake up and bring back Turnbull and Rudd, they are 2 men you can respect and isn’t it sad when respect is missing from ordinary
      Australian’s for those in elected in Canberra

    • nihonin says:

      09:09am | 24/09/11

      I may have this wrong Watcher, but pretty much all of your comment sounds like the usual Labor rustie rant.

    • Eric #2 says:

      09:47am | 24/09/11

      Clearly Watcher - you do not come from Qld where Rudd’s reputation prior to going into Fed Politics was s***t.  He is not a wholesome person at all.

    • Geez... says:

      12:30pm | 24/09/11

      How can you be a “watcher”, when your eyes are firmly shut.

    • Amused says:

      07:52am | 24/09/11

      Laurie, you describe Abbott as ‘slippery,hypocritical’ directly, yet Gillard is in my opinion, far more hypocritical, but that is not levelled directly at her but at ‘the government’.  I know it hurts, but the facts are Gillard is hypocritical, incompetent, nasty and just plain out of her depth.  Doesnt matter how journo’s like to fudge the facts buy burying them in words - the public know, they can see it clearly and Madam 26% doesnt have long to go.  Just waiting for the Labor caucus to find their principles and guts.  What have they got to lose?  Nothing!

    • Richard says:

      09:47am | 24/09/11

      Yeah I agree. Laurie, you are ignoring the plain reality that Abbott has never once, not even slightly, deviated from his pure policy stance that Nauru is the right place to conduct off-shore processing. In this regard, he is just as un-hypocritical Bob Brown, who has never wavered in his assertion that on-shore processing is the go.

      No Laurie, face up to the fact that the ONLY hypocrite in this game is Gillard, with her “another boat, another policy failure” refrain in opposition, her mistake in dismantling of the Pacific Solution in ‘08, her still-born East Timor solution that nobody in East Timor supported and actually felt insulted by, the mangled Manus Island solution, and now the utterly failed Malaysian deal. Face it, she has fucked everything up.

      When you talk about signatories to the UN Convention on refugees, you once again have it around the wrong way. Tony Abbott has said that now, AFTER the High Court, now it is clear that all off-shore processing should be done in signatory countries. Its not hypocritical for Abbott to change this position in light of the legal ruling which made such a change necessary.

      But Gillard on the other hand stated explicitly during the election campaign that she ruled out off-shore processing on Nauru BECAUSE of the fact that they were not signatories to the convention and thus it would be immoral to do so. For her to then turn around and pursue the Malaysian deal so doggedly is the very height of hypocrisy and you know it.


      Let us also remember the very hard leg work Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison have put into getting Nauru to sign the convention, flying over their personally themselves, on party funds not public funds, to organise such an outcome. They have done the hard work Laurie to give Australia a legal option for off-shore processing, and its hypocritical for Gillard to ignore it for no good reason.

      And there is no good reason Laurie, you know it. You know that the ONLY reason Gillard refuses to countenance off-shore processing in Nauru is petty political reasons, so you SURELY must agree that for Gillard to be crowing away in parliament about the ‘National Interest’, while dismissing the Nauru solution out-of-hand for no good reason, is the ABSOLUTE HEIGHT of hypocrisy.

    • Ryan says:

      07:38pm | 24/09/11

      Sorry Richard, but Abbott’s just about to deviate from it when he votes down the amendments, and then we’ll have him to thank for having onshore processing.

    • LeftRightOut® says:

      11:51pm | 24/09/11

      So let me get this right Ryan… Gillard [personally] changes the laws in 2008. A wave of boat people, on a scale never seen before arrives subsequent to these changes.
      Abbott, refuses to agree to these quite open ended (ambiguous) amendments and suddenly boat arrivals are his fault?

      Is there something wrong with you?

      Seriously, if you Sussex st types think that that line will work… well, not much hope for your lot then is there.

    • Ryan says:

      04:44pm | 25/09/11

      @leftrightout   Did you miss the High Court’s ruling? Gillard is moving amendments to allow offshore processing. If Abbott votes them down then we’ll have him to thank for onshore processing.

    • Damocles says:

      04:28pm | 26/09/11

      Ryan thinks that if he keeps saying the same bullshit, we’ll swallow it!
      Get over it, or should I say GetUp over it?! Labor stuffed up the offshore processing of these illegal immigrants and wear the full responsibility for the continued boat arrivals. Your continued parroting of Labor spin isn’t going to change the truth one iota and the majority of Australians can see through the illusion that Gillard is trying to conjure.

    • Lever says:

      05:56pm | 26/09/11

      Dam ocles
      Did you ever think for yourself, or do you parrot the nonsense that spews out of the mouth of Abbott and his minister for disinformation?
      Sorry to have to tell you, but you are caught in a LNP spin cycle.

    • Ryan says:

      06:20pm | 26/09/11

      @damocles Did you miss the High Court’s ruling too? Gillard is moving amendments to allow offshore processing. If Abbott votes them down then we’ll have him to thank for onshore processing.

    • Damocles says:

      11:22am | 28/09/11

      @ Lever & Ryan….....blah blah blah blah bullshit! Labor spinning like a top!!!

    • Burning Down says:

      08:00am | 24/09/11

      Gillard will never be able to pin Asylum Seekers on Abbott. No matter how much she tries, the fact remains that this is all a problem of Labor’s making. The Coalition stopped the boats with the Pacific Solution and processing at Nauru - and while we’re here, I doubt Howard relied on the “expert advice” of his Department to come up with that solution. In fact I’m certain he told them that’s how it was going to happen and they obediently implemented it (like real leaders do)...

      But when Rudd came to power, the boats started coming again. We had cordial relations with Indonesia that allowed Howard to even turn some of those boats back. Labor stuffed that up as well. This is a problem Labor created and it’s a problem Labor need to come up with a solution for.

      The sad irony is that I doubt many Australians give a damn about where Asylum Seekers are processed. We just don’t want them to riot and burn down the detention centres. Every-time Aslyum Policy becomes an issue, t’s nt because of another boat arrival - at least not at first - it actually starts when the Asylum Seekers (often those who have been rejected as legitimate Asylum Seekers) start to protest and burn things down. That’s what Australians don’t like.

    • Joan says:

      08:17am | 24/09/11

      Game over for Gillard as she continues to blame Abbott for her policy failures. People are so sick of it - Gillard and Co blaming Abbott- Abbott just the backseat driver pointing out all Gillard and Co mistakes and the precipice Gillard leading Australia to. in fact everything Labor touch turns to a disastrous mess. Bad policy equals failure - Gillard is a failure

    • Ryan says:

      07:42pm | 24/09/11

      Gillard is moving amendments to allow offshore processing. If Abbott votes them down then we’ll have him to thank for onshore processing.

    • Joan says:

      09:39am | 25/09/11

      Did you read her amendments ?  They are pathetic and would be challenged . No it will not be Abbotts fault if Gillard chooses onshore processing,  though like every other Gillard failure it is Abbotts fault come what may

    • WayneT says:

      02:59pm | 25/09/11

      Doesn’t Labor hold the balance of power in both houses?  How can she blame Abbott when it doesn’t need his green light.  She needs to get both her Houses on side, not the Liberals.  If she can’t get her own coalition of Greens and Independents to agree, how does she think she can get the Lib/Nats to?  The coalition had a policy that worked before her Government dismantled it.  The PM has no one to blame but herself on this one.

    • Ryan says:

      04:49pm | 25/09/11

      @Joan   The Government is proposing offshore processing, not onshore.

    • nossy says:

      08:30am | 24/09/11

      Strewth Laurie that Gillard must think Aussies are dummies. For a start the vote on the Malaysian deal hasnt been taken yet in the Parliament and wont be till the next sitting of Parliament in two weeks time so although it does look doomed she cant blame anyone with any validity at this point - in betting parlance shes trying to cash her betting ticket whilst the race is still on! To be fair she is a good negotiator but not with the Australian Public and I cite the Carbon Tax sell as evidence - she alledgedy was off on a month long “shoe leather burning” tour which petered out in about a week due to a very poor reception. I think she done like a dinner and she just cant connect with Australians Laurie and Labor may have to bring Rudd back in eventually to get a bounce in the polls - but it may turn out to be a dead cat bounce!

    • Esteban says:

      04:15pm | 24/09/11

      Hi nossy. I can’t accepot this idea she is a good negotiator.

      Wilkie hates the Libs so much he ran against Howard in Bennelong and lost. Duckshot and Windsor had a falling out with the Nationals.
      The Greens? Under what circumstances would the greens ever side with the Libs?

      A good negotiator would have said “Piss off boys I know you will support me so stop asking for things”

      A good negotiator would have won over your mate B Katter.

    • nossy says:

      04:51pm | 24/09/11

      @Esteban   yes there is some truth in what you say Esteban as the Independents Windsor and Oakesott at least had a big axe to grind with the Nats so Gillard had a good tailwind there. Wilkie is as mad as a march hare and could end up supporting anyone. As for my man Katter he has bigger fish to fry than Gillard now with his own party coming in to being. All said a sorry mess Esteban and Gillard has only got herself to blame. I saw her on TV this morning and honestly she looked so sour as if she just sucked a dozen lemons!  hahahahha Hope she doesnt take it out on poor bloody Timmy and belt him around the Lodge!

    • stephen says:

      08:35am | 24/09/11

      Julia’s now bottled up by the Law.
      She should do what she wants with regard to asylum-seekers.
      The morally right thing to do is to turn the boats around.
      It really is only illegal to do so, (and unlawful it may be, is not here considered) if someone takes the question of it to Court and a decision handed down.
      The Law should not forbid reasonable acts and Prime Ministers should not feel indebted to it at the expense of the greater good.

    • Joan says:

      10:47am | 24/09/11

      Nah—- Gillard`s not bottled up - Gillard has botched up asylum seekers policy big time from start to point she is now . You don’t need a High court judge to tell you that her 800/4000 human swap deal is just plain bad and one reading of wording of new proposed law indicates the standard of a failed first year law student.

    • Swinging Voter says:

      08:35am | 24/09/11

      I’m not happy with the Gillard government’s policy, however I can just imagine Abbott as PM and it makes me sick. I can’t stand him and the coalition rhetoric about human rights….blahhh…doesn’t anyone remember the Chinese woman sent back to China and forced to undergo an abortion when Howard was PM? The coalition knew this would happen because the woman already had one child.  Talk about hypocrites.
      Abbottt was a minister in that government and is now pretending he supports human rights!  Wait and see if he does when he becomes PM!
      Hmm, we could become ‘boat people’ looking for a decent place to live! Doesn’t leave much choice when we go to vote does it ?
      Stuff it I’ll probably vote green…..at least their policies are consistent.

    • Swinging Voter says:

      11:28am | 24/09/11

      BobM are the commentators in this book conservatives? Sounds like it….thanks but no thanks….

    • Felipe says:

      12:15pm | 24/09/11

      It was sad that swinging voters gave Rudd their support even though they did not know much about him back in 2007.  They were willing to gamble the nation’s interest for a newcomer.  Yet they would not give Tony Abbott a chance.  They are listening more to the propaganda of Gillard and her government painting Tony as negative and a wrecker.  If only they can focus that what Tony Abbott is doing is normal for an opposition leader.  What’s more he is driving the agenda in Australia not Gillard.  Tony Abbott is proactive and showing leadership.  While Gillard is always on the defensive side.  In yesterday’s press conference, Gillard mentioned Tony Abbott’s name 32 times.  She is now showing panic and losing her composure, it is not a good look.

    • John the Zombie says:

      03:35pm | 24/09/11

      swinging voter. Yes I saw the nice Green nsupporters out north of WA. Are they the ones hurling abuse at the Aboriginal supporters and are they they same ppl who have printed a newspapare showing pictures of the elders who made the agreement and labelling them coconut aboriginals.

      Also before you vote for the Greens just understand this. The greens dont just want onshore processing but they want no detention at all.

      If the womens reason for trying to stay in Australia was because of the fact she could only have one baby in Australia then she is not a valid Asylum seeker. Could you imagine if that was an accepted reason, that you could claim Asylum becos your countries laws were one child policy. You would have more then half on China setting sail to Australia.

      Note I wrote to Bob Brown asking him to outline his full policy on defence and what assets and what numbers he sees correct for protecting Australia and still no reply. I did hear of one policy were the Greens were talking about disbanding the navy and only having patrol boats manned by civilians protecting Asutralian borders. This will be interesting as it is believed that China will be parking a battlefleet near out FIR due to he fact they want to protect their trade and goods routes.

    • Destry says:

      07:44pm | 24/09/11

      @Swinging Voter: You need a brain transplant, mate.  The reason the High Court rejected Gillard’s policy was because it didn’t comply with the human rights article that the Howard Government had put into the law. And, yes: Abbott was a member of that government. Get any primary school kid to explain it to you, buddy.

    • Bris Jack says:

      08:49am | 24/09/11

      Abbott’s dreaming, Gillard’s screaming.

      You seem to have missed yesterday’s Senate hearing evidence, could have made this article appear more balanced.

    • mick says:

      08:58am | 24/09/11

      Gillard is clearly a poor prime minister and Abbott is about as believable as Dracula giving assurances whilst guarding the Blood Bank.

      Laurie Oaks has correctly observed that Abbott is ‘slippery’ and that the Australian public have bought some of the dishonest rhetoric hook line and sinker.  What is difficult to understand is why the media does not expose Abbott and his Party for what they ate there to do, gain government by any means possible and then hand big business billions of dollars whilst increasing taxes on everyone else in the nation to pay.  It is obscene, it is disgraceful and it is going to happen if the media does not start doing its job properly and begin exposing Abbott and his Party for what they really are….empty vessels there to do the bidding of their master, wealthy big business.

    • Helen says:

      10:08am | 24/09/11

      All you Greenies are the same. Say hello to Bob for us will ya!

    • Swinging Voter says:

      11:33am | 24/09/11

      Helen ...all you conservatives say the same thing…just cause you don’t agree with Abbott doesn’t mean you’re a green voter…nor a labor voter.

      It means you can ‘read between the lines’ of what the politicans on both sides are saying. If you’re a rusted on coalition voter thats great but perhaps have a good look at what’s on offer.

    • Felipe says:

      12:26pm | 24/09/11

      What is there to expose, surely everything the Opposition is doing is out there for everyone to see.  You have the print, tv, blog and online media.  Gillard wants Abbott to support her Malaysia solution, but the thing is she is a partner of the Greens.  So why won’t she ask the Greens for help after all Gillard bent over backwards for the carbon tax.  And why isn’t she attacking the Greens in the same way she is attacking Abbott?

    • Richard says:

      01:26pm | 24/09/11

      Well in my opinion its the people like ‘Swinging Voter’ and ‘Mick’ who are gullible fools. You’ve so easily bought into the the standard media attack dog strategy of villifying the man, but you’ve never really stepped back to ask “is Abbot really the vile demon that Labor and the media portray him to be?”.

      Seriously, there has NEVER been an opposition leader SOOOO maligned as Tony Abbott. I have never read in any paper, not even the Australian, any snippet of praise for him. I have never heard anyone objectively outline Abbott’s positive qualities, or publicise a positive outcome that Abbott has worked for.

      But the reality is that in many ways Tony Abbott is a good man, and a good politician, and will be a good Prime Minister. He has 3 degrees from elite universities, he was a Rhodes scholar, he is an amatuer sports man, he has a wife and 3 lovely daughters, he volunteers his time to good community causes, I’m sorry I simply won’t buy this line that Tony Abbott is not the best man for P.M unless one of you group-thinking numbskulls gives some objective evidence to support your baseless assertions against him.

    • Mayday says:

      09:18am | 24/09/11

      The people smugglers have used the left wing bleeding heart mentality to prosper and now they try to blame the Opposition?!

      The Greens are getting away with all sorts of stuff as the blame is deflected to the Right…....“attack is the best defence” is wearing mighty thin Julia.

    • pj says:

      09:23am | 24/09/11

      We have political leaders who can’t say STOP or you will be turned back? All they can tell us,is the unwanted boat people will continue to come!Thats not want anyone wants,we need a leader to stand up to the plate and say,WAR will be declared if this unlawful entry continues.

    • bj says:

      07:45pm | 24/09/11

      Great ! On whom ?

    • thatmosis says:

      09:43am | 24/09/11

      You people have got it all wrong, according the the ALP Book of Finger Pointing Abbott is responsible for Global Warming, the end of the Ice Age, the Extinction of the Dinasours, WW1 and WW2, the failure of almost all the ALP policies and the billions wasted, all the illegal immigrants and probably the cruxificion of Jesus. Also according to their book of Success we have K Rudd and J Gillard who are responsible for ???????????????? , bugger.

    • Palone says:

      03:30pm | 24/09/11

      Abbott is responsible, as you are aware, of many abhorrent acts.  I take umbrage at your silly statement that he is, or is accused of being responsible for : The Warming of the Plant ; the end of the Ice Age ; the extinction of the Dinasours, (sic), ;  the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
      His god, who you must remember he gives first loyalty, only made this planet, (and every thing in and on it), a mere few thousand years ago. So, according to Abbott their was no Ice Age, just as there were no dinasours, (sic), and of course he would not have helped in the crucifixion of his god’s son, born from his god’s adulterous relationship with an unsuspecting virgin. (Today we call that rape, don’t we girls.)
      And as there are no “illegal” immigrants we can’t blame the stone-worshipper for that either, so there!
      WW1 and WW2 should not be used in a sarcastic argument but your philosophy doesn’t recognise ethical conduct so we will excuse you from that one as well.
      All in all Thatmosis, a bit of a bullying, cowardly, (all bullies are cowards), weak, and wierd mirror-image of the Servant of Rome, wouldn’t you say? 
      What did the Melbourne housewife call him? Oh, Yes!
      “A Yellow Cad, with the front doors open”. No, no typo Thatmosis.

    • BobM says:

      04:39pm | 24/09/11

      @Palone - you need to keep taking your medication.

    • Against the Man says:

      05:03pm | 24/09/11

      Krudd and JG are successful at f#$king things up.

    • palone says:

      12:35pm | 25/09/11

      @Bob M. Wow Bob, what stunning repartee! What wit, what magnificent rebuttal. Didn’t have a prepared reply? Ring Dash, or one of his nom de plumes, they’ll have a prepared script for you. HQ supplies them with “prepared scripts” for everything since silly Abbott stumbled into a confession about his propensity for lying, ad lib.
      What pathetic morons you people are.
      BTW, I’m doing a story on Aussie lifesaving next week for the Yanks. Anyone out there with some information about the Leader of the Opposition actually taking part in a rescue of someone in dangerous seas? Or, now that I’ve mentioned it, will that be next week? Let us all know, won’t you all.

    • mervyn ford says:

      10:05am | 24/09/11

      Gillard needs to be reminded that when you point the finger at someone, three fingers are pointing back at you!

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      11:28am | 24/09/11

      Ho Hum, Tony “soft on refugees” Abbott refuses to fix John Howard’s broken Migration Act. Move along, nothing new to see here…..

    • Lapun says:

      11:32am | 24/09/11

      Hypoocrisy is a two edged sword, Laurie.    The obvious truth is that if Gillard accepted the Opposition amendment and it was passed, then again passed when the amended Bill was put to the Reps (which it would), it would then pass in the Senate with both major parties supporting it and Gillard would still have off-shore processing - which she claims to want.    It would just have to be somewhere other than Malaysia, and not necessarily Nauru!
      By not accepting the amendment and staying righteous and stubborn, Ms Gillard is absolutely SURE TO KILL off-shore processing, because Greens and Opposition will vote it down in the Senate, and off-shore processing WILL be ‘dead, buried and cremated’ !

    • Ron E Coote says:

      11:55am | 24/09/11

      I pretty much thought I’d seen everything in Australian politics, but ol’ Ju-LIAR trying to blame Tony Abbott for the two boats arriving yesterday was something quite special.
      Surely, the geniuses that are paid six-figure taxpayer funded wages to come up with these lies… err… I mean. STRATEGIES could have had a bit more of a think before sticking that script under her nose. I mean, really! How stupid do these clowns think people are, to swallow that garbage?
      Kevin 747, and Ju-LIAR were falling over themselves to dismantle Howard’s boat policy, and did just that. The boats started coming immediately, but they denied, and denied that this had any effect, even though blind Freddy could see it.
      Through three years of endless lies, denials, and blaming everyone else this has cost the Australian taxpayer a bomb, and put countless lives at risk, yet Labor continues to play the politics of denial.
      Well, people aren’t that stupid and that’s why this government are about as popular as Andrew Bolt at the ABC. Actually less popular. Ruddy won’t save them, but Ju-Liar will see them relegated to minor party status for the foreseeable future. It’s already all over, but nobody has told the Ranga, it seems.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      12:43pm | 24/09/11

      Isn’t that Ju-LIAR trying blame Tony A BUTT? Gee, childish name calling is so much fun….

    • Ron E Coote says:

      02:04pm | 24/09/11

      Shane, going with the important issues in rebuttal, mate…
      Would you like a hanky, pet?

    • Against the Man says:

      03:49pm | 24/09/11

      So Shane the main thesis of your response is the name calling, not the fact that Julia and the ALP have failed to come up with a satisfactory policy? Simple - don’t worry about the name calling, don’t worry about Abbott, don’t worry about the high court etc, if you accept JG as PM than you have to expect her to take the fall for yet another policy failure otherwise you are one of those minority ALP dudes scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for hope and excuse to justify JG and the ALP’s very existence.

    • Australia 67 USA 5 says:

      12:01pm | 24/09/11

      Next federal Election Results September 8 2013
      1)  Australian Open Tennis Tennis Final
      Julia Gillard will beat Tony Abbott 6-4, 7-5, 6-7, 6-2
      2)  Australian Rules AFL Grand Final
      Labor       12 /  7 / 79
      Coalition   9/ 17 / 71

      3)  Rugby League NRL Grand Final
          Labor 79 Coalition 71
      4)  Oceania Soccer Final
        Fulltime Labor 0 Coalition 0
        Penalty Shootout
        Labor 5 Coalition 4
      I wasn’t made to to wear the baggy green , I was born a waterhouse
      http://www.tomwaterhouse.com.au

    • Ed says:

      01:22pm | 24/09/11

      I’m sure you know why this is supposed to be funny/clever/sarcastic etc… cause the rest of us don’t.

      Any punter who’s been around would never put a wager with a Waterhouse…

    • Max, of Rocky says:

      01:34pm | 24/09/11

      You should be a stand up comic,

      trouble is your prejudice would get in the way of a good line.
      :p

    • Esteban says:

      03:47pm | 24/09/11

      According to your tennis score it is 2 sets all. You are one set short of a match.

      Come to think of it you are also a sandwich short of a picnic.

    • Paul says:

      12:16pm | 24/09/11

      There is nothing inherently wrong with wanting an amendment to the migration act so that off-shore processing is done in a more humane fashion via only dealing with members who are signatories to the Refugee convention.

      Yes the Opposition did a deal with Nauru which was at the time not a signatory, but it now is, Labor should get over it and move with the times. The Opposition is not doing a deal with a country which has not signed the UN convention like in the Howard years anymore, but the Labor Party is, and the Greens will have none of it. Turning boats around to Indonesia is completely different to offshore processing, people won’t be processed in Indonesia.

      Labor please put the CARBON TAX and the MALAYSIA SWAP in light of the High Court findings, to an ELECTION so that the people can have a say!

    • nossy says:

      12:39pm | 24/09/11

      By the way Laurie thats a bloody ripper of a cartoon by Mark Knight with your article - love the way Tones is sitting there seemingly “unconcerned” as the red headed one struggles in deep water!  hahahhaha I read a report today where Gillard mentioned Abbotts name 32 times in one press conference - I take it then that Tony Abbott is already our PM - silly bloody Gillard needs to understand SHE is PM and get on with the business of governing!

    • Max, of Rocky says:

      01:16pm | 24/09/11

      Agree

      She has been suckered in to help with Tony’s advertising.

      I do not think she was naive , I think she is / was plain thick.

    • Australia 67 USA 5 says:

      01:06pm | 24/09/11

      Tony Abbott and Julia Gillard are nothing blokes.
      Even Brian Westlake, Neville Nobody, John Citizen , Debbie Downer, Jack Shit, John Smith, Billy Bunter, Fred Nerks, Tony Baloney,Joe Blow, Dot Slot, Mary Surname, and Struggle Street Uncle Sam have more well known profiles,  more well known reputations ,better curriculum vitae, better credentials,  and better abilities than Tony Abbott and Julia Gillard.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      01:17pm | 24/09/11

      The ALP pattern is unfortunately well established. I goes way back to Kevvie the “Economic Conservative” before the election outing himself in The Monthly as a good old fashined Social Democrat that had to save captialism from itself after those nasty Howard and Costello folks had wasted our prosperity on budget surpluses and paying down debt. Give me a break. Who believes these guys.

      They think they can re-write history with complete immunity, fortunately 74% of the electorate is not that stupid.

      Last I heard they were calling the other guy with Law, Economics and Philosophy Degrees from Sydney and Oxford Universities stupid and economically illiterate, go figure.

    • Australia 67 USA 5 says:

      01:34pm | 24/09/11

      I have six uni degrees.Thats twice as many as “the other guy” !
      I consider that people, “like the other guy” ,  with a mere three uni degrees are just illiterate, uneducated,, uncouth, unfed, stupid, sly, dumb,crap, and inexperienced university freshmen.
      Who is “The other guy” ? Is he a fresh man?
      Billy Bunter? Fred Nerks? Neville Nobody? Joe Blow? Jack Shit?

    • Max, of Rocky says:

      02:03pm | 24/09/11

      Yeah,

      I always have a giggle when Labor bags Tony about economics, I think the quote they focus on is he once said it was “boring”.  Does not mean he does not understand, means it is not intellectually challenging enough.

      Meanwhile the intellectually challenged PM keeps giving him free advertising.  Free plugs all the time   LOL

    • Donny says:

      03:31pm | 24/09/11

      @BobM, probably why they want access to all that caSh from the Carbon Tax!

    • Max, of Rocky says:

      04:13pm | 24/09/11

      @  Australia 67 USA 5

      wonderful,  6 degrees,
      pity you don’t use that education to some good use

      At least he is out there making a mark.

      Your degrees are not worth the paper they are written on if you do not use them for good.

      Have I read any of your published works (Punch does not count) ?

      Were they peer reviewed ?

      Education is one thing, experience is another, all part of life.

      Would be nice if your comments were a little more objective and somewhat less subjective.

    • Australia 67 USA 5 says:

      04:49pm | 24/09/11

      Dear Max
      This is wrong time for a change of federal government .
      There is an “worldwide economic cyclone” or an ” worldwide economic blizzard’ or “an economic recession worldwide” coming to Australia and the World later in 2011 or in 2012.
      Whoever has federal government when the “economic cyclone” hits hard into Australia and the world, then they will cop all the slack.
      Already USA and Europe have been hit. Asia will eventually cop the “Economic recession cyclone”.
      Thats why the media is hasty and wrong when begging for an immediate federal election and change of federal government.
      Jane Wallace

    • nossy says:

      05:04pm | 24/09/11

      @Australia 67 USA 5 hahah 6 Uni degrees - shit - but have you been able to find gainful employment or are you thrashing around on Newstart my good fellow?

    • nihonin says:

      07:39am | 25/09/11

      @ Australia 67 USA 5, yet another screen name to post under acotrel lol, you’re becoming far to obvious.

    • Max, of Rocky says:

      10:13am | 25/09/11

      @  Australia 67 USA 5 says: 04:49pm | 24/09/11

      Sorry to disagree with you, Labor have proven they could not manage a two seat outhouse, it will take the coalition years to get the budget and debt back any where near reasonable.

      The sooner we get good money managers back in charge the sooner we may get back where we were when Costello was treasurer.

    • Hank says:

      01:54pm | 24/09/11

      Good one Abbott
      Now, every time a boat comes to Christmas Island, it has your name on it.

      Thanks for inviting the refugees to Australia. We admire your compassion and ownership of the arrivals.

    • Labor Treachery says:

      07:43pm | 24/09/11

      Labor have the option to implement offshore processing on Nauru if they want.  But they don’t want offshore processing do they.

      The High Court have said no to the Malaysian deal once already and are very likely to say no again, this time with more force, if asked the question again with legislation which totally strips Asylum Seekers of their rights.

    • Esteban says:

      02:19pm | 24/09/11

      I am confused. While in opposition and from govt untlil about 2010 the ALP held fast to the line that the Howard solution (TPV/tow back/offshore processing) was ineffective.

      They constantly stated that it was all push factors not pull factors.

      Now the ALP is seeking offshore processing. Why? Did I miss it when they retracted their previuos statements? Does the party now believe that offshore processing will stop the boats? I have not heard them say that they got it wrong before so I can’t see why they are changing now.

      Has there been an official change in ALP policy on this issue or is a slow morph taking place to avoid having to admit to the public that they got it wrong?

      There must be voters out there who voted ALP because they reversed Howrd’s policy. Wher does this bizare policy creep leave them? Presumably voting for the greens with a preference to ALP.

    • Mohammad says:

      02:20pm | 24/09/11

      As a person who normally votes for the Liberal Party I am disgusted with the way the Hon Abbot and the Coalition play politics with the issue of the boatpeople.

      Australia’s Greens and the Hon Abbot do not seem to understand how other Asian countries have to cope with the problems of illegal migrants. Malaysia with a population of 28m has about 1.3 million illegal migrants or refugees out of which 62,000 are children.

      If Australia is faced with such a massive influx of boatpeople and illegal migrants our behavior could be worse than the Malaysians. Will we use torpedo boats and sink the boats carrying illegal migrants in order to stop the boatpeople?

    • Max, of Rocky says:

      04:35pm | 24/09/11

      Sorry, to my knowledge we do not have any torpedo boats and our submarines are incapable of the task.

      I think if you counted the immigrants to Aussie they would run to several million and refugees ( legal and illegal) over the past 10 years would run to hundreds of thousands. 

      Our infrastructure is overloaded now, our hospitals are a mess, our lack of housing is monumental and schools are crowded.

      Do you really want to see it worse ? 
      The way the government is going you will.    :(

    • Labor Treachery says:

      07:17pm | 24/09/11

      Mohammad,

      I don’t understand why you are now disgusted with the Coalition/Liberal party on this issue.  They have had the same policy line for the last 10 years.  It hasn’t changed.  It is Labor who are disingenuous,  they actually want Onshore Processing, only they want to blame the Coalition for the policy.

      The Malaysian deal sounds good on paper but it is not going to get through the High Courts, at least not under a Labor government.

      And Malaysia I understand has over two million illegal immigrants, many of them employed in industries as cheap labour.  If Malaysia is serious about its illegal immigration problem it must decide whether it is prepared to implement the internal enforcement measures (laws against employing illegal immigrants/deportation/enforcement) or whether it prefers to have the cheap illegal labour to help its industries.

    • Mohammad says:

      10:06pm | 24/09/11

      @ Max, of Rocky and Labor Treachery.

      I am in favour of Australia doing all possible things to stop the boatpeople.

      I think it is wrong of Hon Abbot to make membership of the UN Charter on Refugees for an Asian nation to help us stop the boatpeople. Most of our Asian neighbours are not members of the UN Charter on Refugees.

      Australia needs to leave the UN Charter on Refugees as soon as possible.

      Nauru was not a member of the UN Charter on Refugees. Putting it as a condition is just playing politics with our National Security.

    • thatmosis says:

      03:41pm | 24/09/11

      And your point being Mohammad?????? I dont care how other countries handle their illegal immigrant situation all I am interested in is how our country deals with it. To have a perfectly good system demolished and replaced with, wait a moment, it hasnt actually been replaced at all has it, just left open so more and more boats arrive. We have a relatively small population and the point that most people are peeved about is that these people who arrive here illegally are housed, fed , have the best medical and dental care whilst we have our own people not being able to find a bed, either to sleep or in a hospital. Look after our own people first before worrying about illegals. Australia and Australians first and foremost and if thats racist then so be it.

    • Mohammad says:

      09:49pm | 24/09/11

      My point is that we should not criticize other nations actions in stopping the glow of illegal migrants to their country because the problems the have are many many times worse than Australia. For example USA now has 11 millions illegal migrants because of the porous Mexico border. Italy’s recent actions with the huge influx of illegal migrants from Tunisia were to give them papers for travel to France and other EU papers.

      I am with you that Australia needs to use all possible actions to stop the boatpeople. I and a few senior commentators are disappointed with the Hon Abbot putting the condition that a friendly country willing to help us must be a member of the UN Convention on Refugees. It was not previously the case with Nauru.  Abbot raising it as a necessary condition now is clearly putting politics ahead of National Interests

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      04:41pm | 24/09/11

      does anyone in the media in this country have anything better to whine about?

      And why do we blame everyone but the murderers the refugees have fled?

      For heaven’s sake we are whinging about 7 people a day who have the absolute right to come here and ask for help.

      it seems though our media are as ignorant and stupid as the two racist trolls.

    • John the Zombie says:

      06:22pm | 24/09/11

      Actually no they dont Marilyn. If you have taken the time to read the UNHCR 1951 agreement, refugees can only deemed be to have legal arrival without papers in the country they directly (now the main word here is directly) arrive in. It does not then allow them to continue onto another country and claim the same rights of been able to legally arrive there with out papers. The fact that these refugees go to malaysia and Indo first before making the move to arrive in Australia after paying 10,000 of dollars to smugglers. By this fact these refugees are arriving here illegally as they have no papers and the fact that they have gone to Malaysia and Indo before their journey here take away there right to be deemed legal arrivals and they should be seen as what they are and that is illegal.

      Do you have any care about those who have done the right thing and waited in the camps under appalling conditions waiting for thier applications to be proccessed? i guess not.
      Just one last note Marilyn. I wrote a letter to your beloved Greens and we know you are a greens supporter in regards to trying to take the case the fact that certain atrocities in India were committed against a minority and those who did it have not been bought to justice and was asking if the greens could take issue with the Indian govt over this. I also wrote this letter to the Liberal and Labor. A couple of days later I called all three parties to ask them if they had recieved it. Of the three I called only Labor and the Liberal told me they were looking into it. The Greens could not give two shits about it and basically didnt care. from this I can see the only time the Greens care is when it helps them politically, something Bob Brown seems to always have a go at the Liberals about.

    • Destry says:

      06:37pm | 24/09/11

      The Labor Party is only indirectly responsible for this asylum-seeker debacle.  Those really responsible are the voters who elected these turkeys.  And those voters are also guilty of sending $150 billion down the gurgler.  Next election will be a turkey shoot; lerts hope the Labor loyalists are given blanks.

    • Labor Treachery says:

      06:58pm | 24/09/11

      It is clear that Labors true intention is to run the High Court wrecking ball through an future offshore processing.  They have already done this with the legislation created by Howard in 2001 to allow offshore processing by their careless pursuit of the Malaysian deal. 

      Labor have always regretted their support of the Howard legislation that allowed the offshore processing which was made under the duress of 911.  They have always only ever implemented Onshore Processing and their real policy has always been Onshore Processing.

      Read the High Court judgment, it is clear if more thought was given to the deal it may not have evoked the interventionist response from the High Court.  The High Court has already ruled on this and any future legislation that completely strips the Asylum Seekers of their rights is likely to raise the hackles of an interventionist High Court to such an extent that all future Offshore processing would be in serious jeopardy save a change to the constitution or pulling out of the Refugee Convention, neither of which are likely to happen.
      The Courts will only deal with the matters at hand, they are loath to expand into hypothetical judgments.  When dealing with an interventionist High Court you must carefully craft your policies and your actions so only certain questions can be asked of the High Court. 

      So the choices for the Coalition are

      1) support the new legislation that completely strips the Asylum Seekers of their rights and get blamed with Labor for destroying the option of Offshore Processing forever when the High Court strikes it down.  That is the Coalition is complicit in the continuation of Onshore Processing.

      Or

      2)  Don’t support the legislation and be blamed by Labor for being complicit in the continuation of Onshore Processing.

      Julia Gillard has created a heads Labor wins and a tails the Coalition loses scenario.

    • Col. of Blackburn says:

      07:30pm | 24/09/11

      There were three topics that Gillard said she would act on this year-The Boats, Carbon Tax?AGW and the Mining Tax

      1. We as a nation have always welcomed migrants, of any sort, providing they came here in an orderly fashion. We are deeply sceptical of many ‘refugees’ who are coming here, that they are only coming here because they can afford to and want a better life (don’t we all!) and not because they are in fear of their life and being persecuted.
      2. As more time passes, it looks less and less likely that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a serious danger. It seems it is only a ploy for a financially inept government to take more money from its people
      3. The first rule of sane, responsible government, if you are thinking about making drastic regulatory or taxation changes to an industry, the first thing you do is talk to them and get an agreement behind the scenes before you announce it and have a public bunfight. 20 or 30 years ago, the government wanted to increase the local content arrangements from 80% to 85%. They were told by one of the major manufacturers here that they had looked at the figures and decided that it would no longer be financially viable to manufacture here, they would close their manufacturing plant, putting 3000 workers on the dole and solely import, employing only a small sales force, needless to say the government decided to keep the local content rules at 80%! wink

    • Tony says:

      12:53am | 25/09/11

      I am a little worried that Wayne Squ(w)ander is having illusions of grandeur himself.

    • Christian Real says:

      05:13am | 27/09/11

      Tony
      Jealously is a curse, and Liberal supporters are worse, both Wayne Swan and Paul Keating were named as the World’s best Treasurers of all time,something that Peter Costello was unable to achieve,as well as failing to achieve the leadership of the Liberal party as well.
      No leadership, no Award as the World’s best Treasurer after 12 years,that really says a lot about Peter Costello,who didn’t even have the courage to challange for the Liberal Leadership that he was promised.
      “Illusions of grandeur”, is the platform on which the Liberal party and their supporters incorrectly believe that “They were born to rule.”

    • An Australian of no consequence says:

      05:16am | 25/09/11

      Poor poor Laurie..must be tough when your team is crap. But its all Abbotts fault….bwaaabwaaa…(evil laugh)

    • Billy B says:

      09:49am | 25/09/11

      Palone - You are a ‘dingwhopper’.  Keep taking your medication.

    • palone says:

      01:12pm | 25/09/11

      Dear me, Billy B, Thatmosis, Bob M, (gosh it’s hard to keep up with all of these names you ‘intellectuals’ use), I must say I’ve never read a more cutting, brilliantly constructed piece of written criticsm of anyone’s work in my whole life. Obsessed as each of your alter egos are with male body parts it surprises me not at all that your attention is fixed on the excercising of a couple of my anatomical parts. It’s what your people do.
      I notice that you offered no alternative to any of my propositions or suggestions. You just, basically, said “No!”,  (cunningly disguised by a bit of Liberal Party double-speak),  and then ran away. Now who does that remind us all of?  Of course!  Super-rabbit and the Rabbitears!
      You Sirs, epitomise the Liberal Party. Negative, Repetitive, in need of a Seditive!

    • thatmosis says:

      03:05pm | 25/09/11

      palone _ what you have said has not even registered on my Interest meter, if fact if went backwards. Sarcasm was the name of the game but then again I suspect that being a Labor Supporter your sense of humour has taken flight along with your common sense. Have a nice day and dont forget the meds. Oh by the way and this is not sarcasm I have just added you to my list of Labor trolls and not to be recognised from this day forward. Kisses.

    • Mohammad says:

      08:56am | 26/09/11

      The Hon Abbot and the Coalition are playing politics and put at risks our border security. Asia is unstable and it will get worse.

      Today’s news is that a suicide bomber has attacked a Christian Church in Indonesia. There are serious risks of a religious war in Indonesia.

      The younger generation may not know some recent history in our Asian neighbours. When Suharto took over in the chaos 500,000 people were killed in Indonesia. All the Chinese on Bali Islands were killed.

    • anti-commo Dave. says:

      10:15am | 26/09/11

      Mr Howard had the assylam seekers deal organised,and running like a Swiss watch.Rudd had to change it just because it was a coalition plan and it WORKED!!!.
      If every plan metted out since commo/labor/greens come to power,could have been knocked on the head the place would still be running like a swiss watch and the 4 young insulation men would still be alive not to mention the 50 odd drowned refugees.
      When is this mob of imbiciles going to be held responsible,and when are you dopey commos going to stop sticking up for the destruction of our country by these usless GALLOOTS!!!

    • anti-dave commo says:

      02:20pm | 26/09/11

      Thank you for your carefully considered rant from the right wing fringe.

      Now be a good dave and go get someone to tie your shoes or hand you your moccas and trundle off down to school for some learnin.

    • Christian Real says:

      04:53am | 27/09/11

      anti-commo Dave:
      How dare you label anyone that supports another political party Commos.
      The name calling from the Liberal supporters and the Liberal Opposition shows exactly why the Liberals should never ever get elected to Government.
      While you are entiled to your opinion, the fact that you labelled supporters of other political parties commos is un-acceptable an un-Australian..
      Name calling abuse went on in the schoolyards,and it is obvious that you and some of the other Liberal bloggers just haven’t really grown up into adulthood as yet..

    • Damocles says:

      11:29am | 28/09/11

      @ “Christian Real”.....“The name calling from the Liberal supporters and the Liberal Opposition shows exactly why the Liberals should never ever get elected to Government.” Where have you been hiding, Sunshine? Under a rock? Labor have been name calling for just as long as the Liberals and are masters/ mistresses of the craft….....oh,and the Liberals Coalition will be elected in a landslide and Labor will be banished to the schoolyard where they can name call all they like, but Australia will be back on an even keel at last. The Labor/ Greens/ Independents experiment failed monumentally! Suck it up.

    • Billy B says:

      07:12pm | 28/09/11

      palone - Crikey, how wrong can you be palone.  I’ve never voted Liberal in my life.

 

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