Excruciating pain requiring urgent dental work can be debilitating and when treatment is withdrawn we condemn people to a period of absolute misery.

Rotten. Pic: NWN

Therefore, it is difficult to understand why any government would seek to disadvantage those in need and jeopardise the health of its people.

Yet that is precisely what the Gillard Government intends to do from next January when it proposes to close the Medicare Chronic Disease Dental Scheme (MCDDS). The MCDDS provides $4,250 in Medicare benefits for dental treatment over a two year period for those with chronic disease referred to a dentist by a GP.

The only reason apparent at the moment for government’s intended action is sheer ideology. The Gillard Labor Government wants to close the Howard Government’s MCDDS which provides for dental treatment with private practitioners and instead direct funding to the states’ public dental services under its Commonwealth Dental Health Program (CDHP).

The impacts and outcomes of such a move should be examined thoroughly because there are strong indications that it will be detrimental, delivering fewer dental services and worse health outcomes.

It is clear Labor’s CDHP is inferior to the existing chronic disease dental scheme.

Figures revealed during the last Senate Estimates hearings showed that around 700,000 Australians (experts now estimate more than one million) have been treated under the MCDDS since its rollout in 2007 and they’ve received more than 11 million dental services.

By comparison Labor’s program is promised to deliver just one million dental services over a four-year period.

It will be flawed reform. Health Department officials admitted during the hearings that the Labor plan was unlikely to meet its target.

Even more concerning, they revealed that the Gillard Government had not bothered to check whether the workforce in the public dental sector was sufficient to provide that amount of additional services.

Actual delivery of policies and programs has been both Rudd and Gillard’s big downfall and here is yet another example where the most basic question had not been asked – can we deliver?

The chronic disease dental scheme is not perfect. All new programs need to be monitored, tweaked or adjusted as they develop in practice.

As government changed hands in 2007, it became Labor’s responsibility to do exactly that, particularly when all non-government Senators – Coalition, Independents and Greens – combined twice to reject the Rudd Government attempts to close the MCDDS.

Instead Health Minister Nicola Roxon’s response was to do nothing, to criticise and denigrate the scheme portraying it as ‘scandal-plagued’ and full of ‘rorts’.

It is clear the government’s strategy was to stand back and build its case for closure, instead of adopting sensible changes to further strengthen the scheme.

The latest element of this attack was to unleash a Medicare Australia taskforce to audit dental practices across the country for ‘rorting’ Medicare. The dentists were going to be the government’s scapegoats for its failure to monitor and manage the scheme.

The Coalition would rightly condemn anyone who has done the wrong thing.

But the anecdotal evidence now emerging is that in many cases, well intentioned, honest dentists are being pursued for political purposes and are being called to account for, in many cases, minor administrative errors.

Repayments of Medicare benefits are being demanded despite firm evidence being available that full treatment has been provided to patients.

There are shortages in the dental workforce and these heavy handed tactics are alienating dentists who are providing treatment under the chronic disease scheme to those in most need. The experience may mean they may not continue to provide their services in the future.

Already one small Tasmanian community has lost the services of a dentist who is no longer prepared to treat patients under the Medicare arrangements; of course those who lose out are the patients.

If the Minister expects them to receive treatment in the public sector, she knows there are already lengthy waiting lists and a workforce that is struggling to meet existing demand as it is.

Little official information has emerged on the results of the audit process across the country since it began.

However the government will have to reveal the results in the coming month to comply with a Senate motion requiring it to detail the findings of the audits undertaken until October 31.

It is unfortunate it has come to this.

Sensible changes to the MCDDS have been suggested to the Minister, but unfortunately they were rejected out of hand.

Adoption of procedures long implemented by the Department of Veterans Affairs in relation to veterans’ dental care, whereby high cost treatments such as crowns and bridges have to be submitted for approval and checked for clinical appropriateness before they can be carried out, would go a long way to improving the chronic disease scheme.

For a Government that should have learned lessons from its other multiple policy failures through the intervening timeframe, the way remains open to such necessary adjustments to the existing scheme.

To do otherwise courts another policy disaster.

The NSW Branch of the Australian Dental Association summed it up in the most recent edition of its journal, the NSW Dentist:

“ADA NSW anticipates that should the CDDS cease on 31 December, there will be flow-on effects for public dental services in NSW. Increased demand for services (beyond the additional funding and capacity made available under the proposed CDHP) will increase both the number of people on public dental waiting lists and the length of time they wait for treatment.”

There is no reason to believe the situation would be any different in other states.

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    • Against the Man says:

      05:47am | 04/10/11

      But Gillard must be doing a good job in her mind as she is getting an undeserved payrise smile

      Gillard doesn’t care about Australians, she is laughing at you and your family.

      Roxon will be discussing this with her nursing union buddies before she tries to ‘fix’ this problem.

      A useless government gets more useless and a payrise hahahahahahaha smile

    • Unionist says:

      06:15am | 04/10/11

      Forget your meds again today big fellette?

    • Nathan says:

      06:18am | 04/10/11

      “But Gillard must be doing a good job in her mind as she is getting an undeserved payrise “
      This was not the issue being discussed and it was not her who argued for a pay rise. All you do is rant and never actually put any arguments other than a stupid smile

    • Flexo says:

      07:24am | 04/10/11

      This government is as chaotic as they come.

      Oh the Unionist is back! Good reply, really counteracts ATM’s points.

      Looks like Seano and John A Neve have left for good too. The ALP supporters have either wised up to this government’s true agenda or they give up too easy, either way is fine by me.

      And I also notice that people are happy to throw the terms ‘stupid’ and not the issue’ but clearly can’t seem to point out the actual issue. Guess if they did that it would make the current gillard government look really stupid and that would be an issue.

    • Unionist says:

      07:39am | 04/10/11

      @Flexo says:07:24am, well one can only guess at the level of your intelligence if you thought fellette was actually making a point. I can’t talk for the other two you have mentioned but for me but perhaps it has more to do with an actual argument or lack of, you can only throw so many peanuts before you get bored of the illogical rants of the monkey. I would love to see it in the flesh and in action it must be hilarious, I bet it has a lil bold spot that goes purple when it starts up.

    • Flexo says:

      11:06am | 04/10/11

      Unionist, well done, another empty caloric response, I noticed rather that have an intelligent counter point to the views expressed you chose to talk about monkeys.

      I guess if you represent the ALP talent pool, we can clearly see why that have sunk so low as to have gillard as their so called leader.

      Keep it up mate, I enjoy watching you ALP guys moan and groan but have so little to offer from an intelligence perspective.

    • Against the Man says:

      01:43pm | 04/10/11

      Oh my, Seano/John A Neve….names that remind me of the ALP, cowards and stupidity.

      Anyway Unionist I say it again if you can’t deny or counter my points it means you agree with me. And Nathan, it isn’t a rant it is real life. I’m guessing you guys don’t know about the failed nurse led clinic spear headed by Roxon (Medical Observer Oct 2011) or the failure and budget blowouts in the so called Super Clinics again documented on 6minutes.com and the Medical Observer (read the May issue where we have it documented that it has blown out Canberra’s ED presentations). Ouch, must really hurt to have triggered my further exposure of this government’s bullshit policies.

      So you expect them to fix the dental issue, more chances of Gillard gaining a soul. smile

    • rb says:

      06:42am | 04/10/11

      Once again you are pointing out the flaws of both sides of government.

    • Kipling says:

      06:54am | 04/10/11

      It seems that there are less than 10% of dentists actually working for the public system, this is the major contributor to long waiting lists, something the current scheme does not address effectively.
      You could be right that getting rid of it will make things worse, but, I would point out to you that in your ideological effort here you have neglected to recognise they can only get minimally worse as they are pretty bloody ineffective now.
      You have spent your entire piece here doing that which you claim the current Government are doing, tearing down a policy rather than offering any real or effective solutions. One can potentially extrapolate from that there are no actual effective “tweaks” available to either team.
      Dental health is clearly not in the same league as general health, there is no sense of competition provided as there is with Medicare benefits. This is the major policy flaw of both major parties.
      Address that next time you want to write something

    • acotrel says:

      07:24am | 04/10/11

      @Kipling
      ‘You have spent your entire piece here doing that which you claim the current Government are doing, tearing down a policy rather than offering any real or effective solutions.’

      He’s a member of the LNP, and that’s their go !  You got to keep your good stuff secret otherwise the ALP might steal your ideas, and do something for the good of the country.  And the LNP won’t be a ble to scrounge a few more miserable votes because of it !

    • acotrel says:

      06:55am | 04/10/11

      ‘The chronic disease dental scheme is not perfect. All new programs need to be monitored, tweaked or adjusted as they develop in practice.’

      If we make subsidised dental treatment only available to people with private health cover, that would solve two problems ?  We’d get more people paying money to our friends in the insurance industry, to make the system viable, and there’d be more appointments available at the dentists !

    • Arthur says:

      07:48am | 04/10/11

      How can this government be trusted to competently achieve anything?

      NOTHING they have done to date has been a success for the country. EVERYTHING they do has a socialist agenda at the cost of workers and Australia as a country.

    • Shut it says:

      08:36am | 04/10/11

      How?  Gee I dunno, shutting down a flawed and costly policy would be a start.. Or how about this?

      http://www.alp.org.au/federal-government/our-key-achievements/

      But you probably don’t care about facts.. The three tax cuts alone by this government prove your pathetic rant wrong… Or do you have anything specific to whine about?  Still crying about being ‘lied’ to? Perhaps you should have a cup of tea and lie down…

    • Raptorlicious says:

      08:36am | 04/10/11

      ITS IN CAPS SO, IT MUST BE TRUE.

    • Arthur says:

      09:09am | 04/10/11

      “Or do you have anything specific to whine about?”...I’ve written many times about specifics. You can’t hear me….Have a look at where we’re heading @Shut it…I assure you Australia is heading for one massive crash. I’ve said it before and here it is again. I’m one very rich successful old bastard, and I smell what’s coming a mile off. This government is steering us off a cliff. Where will this leave your trendy socialist agenda when there’s nothing left to give? Check out the slowing of China. Why won’t Gillard do a review in to manufacturing? Because it’s DEAD.

      @Raptorlicious. Got anything sensible to say? Clown.

      Rewrite the constitution. Start a whole new electoral and political system. The Westminster system is broken. It’s sent Australia broke and allowed idiots to lead the country and others to never work or contribute in any way.

      This government will continue while there are so many voters whose vested interest is to keep a GIVING socialist government in office..

      There are not enough workers left to service your socialist agenda any more. Socialism works until the socialists run out of OTHER PEOPLE"S money. That time would be now.

      The tipping point has been reached.

    • acotrel says:

      09:28am | 04/10/11

      @Arfa
      ‘NOTHING they have done to date has been a success for the country. EVERYTHING they do has a socialist agenda at the cost of workers and Australia as a country’

      Like using a stimulus to avoid a major recession ?  Like creating major communications infrastructure which will benefit every single one of us by improving education, medical services, and democratic participation ?  Yeah ! Sure!  It’s just all one geat big commie plot !
      The other mob would have us all walking around Australia looking for jobs on their mates’ plantations ! And fighting over scraps of food !

    • RyaN says:

      09:51am | 04/10/11

      @Shut it: yer I like those key achievements, especially since some of them haven’t been achieved. “Getting the budget back into the black three years early” quite!
      And what was the latest excuse? Floods? Aliens? Someone looked at Wayne Swann in a strange way?

    • John says:

      10:11am | 04/10/11

      Are you serious Shut it? Look on the Labor party’s web site for their achievements?

      They are politicians. I wouldn’t trust a word they said.

    • Aitch B says:

      10:39am | 04/10/11

      Interesting that in their blurb they don’t list the Insulation program, Fuel Watch, Grocery Watch and other similar success stories.

    • Arthur says:

      10:58am | 04/10/11

      “Like using a stimulus to avoid a major recession ?”  Big mistake to spend lots of money on unproductive ventures. May as well burn it.

      “Like creating major communications infrastructure which will benefit every single one of us by improving education, medical services, and democratic participation ?”  How? it’s already obsolete and the governments pleading people to sign up. There was nothing wrong with the system I was using last week/month/year. Some regional areas needed improving, the Labor gov asked vested interested advisers what they needed. Hey Mr Barber, do I need a hair cut?

      “The other mob would have us all walking around Australia looking for jobs on their mates’ plantations ! And fighting over scraps of food ! “....No argument here about where the Libs would have us, at least it would be calculated and there’d be a few rich among us. The way Labor’s doing it, selling all our assets, increasing our population, we’ll all be broke and as you say scratching around for food. It is coming, no doubt at all. Declining farm yields selling farms to overseas and increasing population can only lead to disaster while the Labor party dithers with all the stuff you point out a positives. My goodness!!!!!!

    • Flexo says:

      11:16am | 04/10/11

      And yet the ALP’s greatest achievement: the carbon tax lie, will destroy them at the next election and the next election after that and so on.

      How very funny.

    • andye says:

      12:02pm | 04/10/11

      @Arthurr - “How? it’s already obsolete and the governments pleading people to sign up.”

      It isn’t obsolete. Fibre will still be the backbone required for wireless when 4G becomes obsolete. When first implemented, it will be running at a small percentage of its theoretical speed.  It is the most future-proofed solution we have.


      “There was nothing wrong with the system I was using last week/month/year. “

      Is it ADSL? The maintenance costs are going up and up (a great chunk of the system would need a full overhaul to keep going as it is now) and it is already beyond what would have been considered the maximum possible speed a few years ago.

      Or is it wireless? Good luck running the whole population on wireless, even the new 4G. It simply wont work. It cannot support that many simultaneous users.

    • Arthur says:

      12:13pm | 04/10/11

      @Flexo.

      It is funny, but it’s also tragic. Just as the Liberal’s misjudged the effect on them re workchoices. The Labor party is misjudging the carbon tax. They will be annihilated.

      Where does that leave us though?

      No one’s going to rush to vote for independents after what they’ve delivered us this time round.

    • Shut it says:

      12:53pm | 04/10/11

      Arthur, your rants are amusing, but since you’ve admitted to being elderley I don’t want to get you too worked up.. Your optic fibre is obsolete comment sort of pointed that out anyway.  Make that cup of tea a chamomile one, might calm your nerves a bit.. You might actually come up with some points rather than ranty - “we’re heading off a cliff - won’t someone think of the children” stuff.  Start a whole new electoral system?  What, as in one YOU agree with no doubt, that elects the party YOU want to govern?  Are you serious?  I’m thinking you should add a xanax to your chamomile tea Arthur..

      John - stupid comment mate - where did you think I’d look for the ALP achievements? 

      Ryan - Obviously I didn’t make the website buddy, just pointed to it..Print it out and dry your tears with it if it bothers you so much…

      Flexo - we’ll see.. It’s better than throwing our tax money at big business like LNP’s ‘plan’.. Then again, they’ve always looked after big business..

    • Arthur says:

      01:55pm | 04/10/11

      @Shut it.

      We’ll see who’s right shortly.

      Just answer me this Shut it. Why wouldn’t the government do an audit in to manufacturing?

      Where do you suggest the money might come from to fund your entitled genY lifestyle if China stop buying our resources?

      Oh hang on——-I’ll rephrase that———Where do you suggest the money might come from to fund your entitled genY lifestyle when China own (they already own 85%) all our resources?

    • Arthur says:

      02:03pm | 04/10/11

      @Shut it…....I wonder if there were any Arthur’s “ranting” in Greece, Italy and the Us not so long ago?

      I saw a table the other day outlining our combined housing debt and government debt are right up there with the very worst indebted countries.

      Do you read stuff like that Shut it. Or are your comments mere loyalty to the worst successive governments in the history of the planet?

    • Anubis says:

      02:10pm | 04/10/11

      @ Shut it - If they are their achievements I would hate to see their complete list of failures. Let’s check off these achievements
      * Get rid of Workcover - Yes but replaced with the current scheme that is smothering productivity
      * getting the budget back in black - Hasn’t happened, won’t happen. Even if they make a small surplus in 2012/13 (which they won’t) they are still almost $200 billion in the red
      * Tax cuts in the last three budgets - No, outright lie. The last cut to personal taxes they gave was one that had already been set up by the Howard Government. Rudd/Gillard have intriduced, or increased, over 18 taxes since 2007.
      Decisive action during the GFC -Hmmmm. First stimulus was worthwhile, second round of $900 cheques was deemed unnecessary. School buildings, rorted by the unions, home insulation - caused deaths, rorted by unions and hastily withdrawn leaving many companies in the lurch.

      What about their failures
      * Coast Guard - promised but not happened
      * Child Care centres - stuffed up
      * Border protection - Hahahahaha
      * Timor Solution - not even the Timorese knew about it
      * Malaysia solution - what can you say?
      * Cash for clunkers
      * There will be no Carbon Tax under a Government I lead
      * I will from now on be the real Julia
      * I fully support Kevin Rudd
      * Craig Thomson has done no wrong (at least one member of the Labor party can organise a root in a brothel)
      * GP Super Clinics, underfunded, behind schedule, grants for the building/establishing of the clinics deemed as taxable income
      * Petrol Watch
      * Grocery Watch

      Any one else want to add to the list of Labor’s “achievements”?

    • Arthur says:

      03:48pm | 04/10/11

      “Labor’s “achievements”? “...continued…

      1. overseeing the last of our mines to be sold.

      2. reversed a major election promise re student visas.

      3. overseeing gross residential housing foreign investment.

      4. overseeing gross farm land foreign investment.

      5. 800 for 4000…AND agreed to pay for the 800…brokering genius!!!!!

      6. everything they touch while Australia plummets towards poverty.

    • Shut it says:

      04:03pm | 04/10/11

      I see you didn’t have that lie down Arthur.. Now you’re all cranky and in a state..

      Anubis tl;dr… Tell someone who cares mate..

    • Arthur says:

      04:19pm | 04/10/11

      Have a crack at the questions @Shut it. Prove you’re not all wind.

      Don’t think you have too much substance, like pretty much all Labor advocates. The ridiculous cannot be justified.

    • mick says:

      07:57am | 04/10/11

      Get real.  Australia has a welfare system which is bleeding our economy.  There are handouts for everything and big rewards for those who ‘choose’ not to work.  Now more of the same.

      I would support a dentalcare system if social security were wound back closer to what is available to other nations.  But then it is unlikely a government would win a second term if they actually did the country a favour and put it up to bludgers.

      Maybe I should start believing in the tooth fairy.

    • David says:

      08:08am | 04/10/11

      Well said !!!!!!
      There are many dentists out there and I can point out a few of them who rorted the system along with their GP mates who all believe in the tooth fairy .

    • acotrel says:

      08:13am | 04/10/11

      @mick
      You are the one who should ‘get real’.  The other day you claimed Australia is overpopulated.  Today the welfare system is ‘bleeding our economy’ ?  BULLSHIT !

    • Arthur says:

      09:56am | 04/10/11

      You’re in gaga land acotrel. You are blinded by your socialist attitude. As I’ve said elsewhere here today. What happens when there’s no more to give? Where is the money going to come from when there are no workers, no Australian assets, and more people? How is what Mick said the other day and what he’s saying today, as I think you’re implying a contradiction.

      Australia is over populated. Grossly in fact. Tim Flannery says we can sustain about 12 million. We don’t hear this ridiculous government talk about that do we?

      Welfare is bleeding Australia. Fact. Employed equals one hours work a week.

      Mick’s dead right and you acotrel are dreaming.

    • Anna C says:

      10:11am | 04/10/11

      acotrel are you being sarcastic because Mick has made a very good point here? Our welfare system needs to get back to basics and become the temporary safety net it was meant to be and not a way of life for some people. We should end all middle class welfare and add dental services to the Medicare system. Why should treatment for a person’s mouth be exempt from Medicare unlike the rest of the body especially given that we now know that things like gum disease and plaque can lead to other ailments like heart problems etc.  It just makes no sense.

    • hellogoodbye says:

      11:43am | 04/10/11

      we need to wind back welfare, but where do we start? is it with the disabled, the single mums, the aged, baby bonus, maternity payments, or should we start with the middle and upper class welfare?

      downward envy is increasing every day.

    • Arthur says:

      12:09pm | 04/10/11

      @hellogoodbye…“but where do we start?”

      One accident child. No more. Support your own kids.

      Wind back all welfare over time.

      While there is even one unfilled job…No one’s on the dole. How can 5% unemployment be considered full employment?...Make it harder to be unemployed than it is to take a menial job.

      Zero immigration.

      It’s time for the government to get tough. Stop selling our stuff and stop the sale of our stuff being bought by foreigners.

    • PTom says:

      01:30pm | 04/10/11

      @Arthur,
      If we have zero immigration we would have a decreasing work force. Therefore less people paying income taxes and more people on aged welfare. Wait you said scrap welfare maybe we could get the old to swipe streets and pick up litter but who would pay for it.

      5% is not people on the dole these are people who currently don’t work looking for work and did not get it. These could be students, mothers returning or anyone who is in a industry that runs on peaks.

      Scrapping the dole will have no impact to the 5% all it will do is increase the crime rate.

      BTW will have 22 Milion people and we still export 60% of our food and desal plants to help with drinking water.

    • rb says:

      01:45pm | 04/10/11

      hellogoodbye says:11:43am | 04/10/11

      we need to wind back welfare, but where do we start? is it with the disabled, the single mums, the aged, baby bonus, maternity payments, or should we start with the middle and upper class welfare?

      downward envy is increasing every day.

      Just thought it was worth repeating.

    • Arthur says:

      04:28pm | 04/10/11

      @rb “but where do we start?”

      Yep…Best we all go broke together. Don’t address it.

      @PTom…..“BTW will have 22 Milion people and we still export 60% of our food and desal plants to help with drinking water”... Number one, I think your numbers are wrong. I read some time ago we became a net importer of food…..

      Two. If you’re right, you won’t be for long. We’ve sold all our farm land, farm yields will be half what they are in a decade (7% per yr) and we’re increasing population. Any ideas what we’ll do when the environment cannot possibly and glaringly obviously can’t accept any more population? Isn’t it better to face the hard decisions NOW while we have options?

      To continue to sell assets and populate will prove to be the dumbest (unbelievable I know) thing this government will do. There is zero logic in it despite it being necessary to allow us to continue to gorge ourselves in to old age.

    • smeagol says:

      08:07am | 04/10/11

      I am someone who has received direct benefit from this scheme.  I earn 60K and support my defacto (no tax breaks of course, not legally married) who is quite ill, and her father who kicks in a bit with his pension.  We do okay, but the cost of dental is far beyond me.  Finally I was referred by my GP due to ongoing health issues. Result?  14 removals.  Ouch.  There is no way I could have afforded that and the dentures.  What is has meant is far less sick time and a much happier outlook.  I have no problem as I do pay tax.

    • Matt says:

      08:32am | 04/10/11

      So, you have a problem with something that is flawed being closed down and the funds diverted to a Commonwealth dental program that everyone can use?  Not just people with chronic disease? That’s odd..

    • Arthur says:

      08:33am | 04/10/11

      Rewrite the constitution. Start a whole new electoral and political system. The Westminster system is broken. It’s sent Australia broke and allowed idiots to lead the country and others to never work or contribute in any way.

      This government will continue while there are so many voters whose vested interest is to keep a GIVING socialist government in office..

      There are not enough workers left to service your socialist agenda any more. Socialism works until the socialists run out of OTHER PEOPLE"S money. That time would be now.

      The tipping point has been reached.

    • Jason Smith says:

      10:13am | 04/10/11

      so what, you think the Libs can fix it?
      Libs and Labs in this country are a f’king joke.

    • Arthur says:

      10:42am | 04/10/11

      @jason smith

      No I don’t. BUT. I think they have a far better idea than labor. That’s what I’m saying, neither party is good for the present residents of Australia.

      I once thought Liberal were good then they found the solution, among all the problems, was to attack the workers. Liberal and Labor should never ever be trusted again. Then again look what the independents did last fed election.

      What are the the alternatives? I don’t know. What I do know is we are heading to disaster. Read some of the comments here on the Punch and get a clear understanding of the intellect of your average voter. It’s no surprise Australia’s position as a western country’s days are numbered.

      WHEN that happens, I wonder how the socialists will operate their socialist agenda. I think they’ll have bigger and more personal problems to deal with.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      09:02am | 04/10/11

      Increasing numbers of Australians, even those with Private Health Insurance, are simply unable to afford to go to a dentist.
      When introduced, for some strange reason ( Dentist Lobbyists?) Dentistry was excluded from Medicare.
      Despite the bleating by politicians & the medical profession all those years ago who claimed Medicare would bankrupt Australia, it hasn’t.
      Medicare can & is used to claim so-called “Medical Expenses” for proceedures which, though performed by a doctor, surgeon & in a hospital are not required, life-saving or protecting.
      It has been stated by Health Professionals ( Doctors, Dentists etc.) that bad, infected teeth, mouths can lead to very serious other health issues if not treated.
      When are you & your Party, Mr Dutton going to adopt a policy of having Dentistry included under Medicare?
      You & your party claim to be concerned with people maintaining their overall health with regular Health Check-ups. A Healthy nation is a Wealthy Nation.
      Our politicians - no matter which side of the fence they are - can always find the money to spend on pet projects.
      Remember when in Government the Prime Minister of the Day John Winston Howard (Liberal) was trying to pay off the massive Federal Government Debt bequeathed to the Coalition by Paul Keating & the ALP?
      Of course we all do.
      Yet, despite the dire straits this had put Australia in, John Winston Howard was able to find millions to give to one small factory, I think in NSW, which was in severe financial trouble. Of course, that the factory was owned by his brother was coincidental.
      We can get our eyes tested & that is covered by Medicare.
      Why can’t we have all dentistry, other than that for purely cosmetic reasons, covered under Medicare? People who want Cosmetic Dentistry can take out Private Cover for that.
      If you want to win votes, Mr Dutton, you & the Coalition Parties will adopt as irrevocable policy, a policy for having Dentistry covered by Medicare.
      If you don’t the ALP probably will & no matter how lousy a government they may be the ALP will win the 2013 federal Election.

    • Jane2 says:

      09:45am | 04/10/11

      But looking after your teeth is like looking after your car. You have a choice, you can either pay $150x2 to get it serviced and looked after twice a year or you can pay $3,000 when something breaks down.

      I have always opted for the first option with my teeth and my car, even when I was unemployed. $10pw set aside is affordable, $3000 of unplanned expenses is not.

      Their your teeth, take care of them.

    • Kate says:

      11:08am | 04/10/11

      I would tend to agree with this, except sometimes things happen that a lifetime of looking after your teeth just can’t control.
      I’ve always been pretty careful with my teeth and looked after them, but that didn’t stop them from growing weirdly (result: two sets of braces) or the wisdom teeth from growing backwards and crooked (result: expensive surgery to remove all four). Fortunately, all this happened while I was still covered by my parents’ health insurance, but I’m not sure how I’d cope if something else was to go wrong with my teeth, given I can’t afford private heath cover as a uni student.

    • Anna C says:

      10:20am | 04/10/11

      I think Dentists are overcharging their customers. When I was a kid my parents shelled out big bucks so that I could get braces and every time I went to see my Orthodontist he would have a different car parked in his driveway. He used to alternate between his new model Porsche, Mercedes and BMW. Damn, I should have become a dentist.

    • Kate says:

      11:12am | 04/10/11

      True AnnaC, I think between my sister and I (three sets of braces, one set of headgear and two plates), my parents paid for the orthodontist’s house, car and overseas holidays. I think I’m in the wrong career…

    • rex jones says:

      12:12pm | 04/10/11

      Tall Poppy Syndrome alive and well in Australia.

    • Anna C says:

      01:08pm | 04/10/11

      Rex Jones, no one is denying dentists the right to make a good living but did my dentist really need three bloody expensive cars paid for by the parents of us dentally challenged kids. Surely one bloody expensive car is good enough? It’s not like he could drive more than one car at a time? What would have been wrong with him owning only one posh car and not overcharging his customers. The guy stuck bits of mental inside your mouth ...It’s not like he was a brain surgeon for god’s sakes so why the huge pay? Is it compensation for people’s bad breath or something.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      10:27am | 04/10/11

      Saying that large scale rorting of the system was just minor administrative errors is like saying Enron cooking the books was just creative accounting…...

    • David says:

      10:59am | 04/10/11

      So.. what was the Opposition policy again?

      Oh, I remember now - Labor bad, Liberal good.

      Exactly who opposed dentistry being made part of Medicare again? Was it the heavily Liberal leaning ADA? Was it the Liberal Party?

      Come back with a policy we can, ahem, sink our teeth into instead of “Labor bad, Liberal good” and maybe people will start taking you seriously.

    • Against the Man says:

      01:51pm | 04/10/11

      If Libs are bad and the ALP have been in government since ‘07 and yet health care is a mess, it may been Libs smart, Labor dumbasses.

      Oh what happened to the carbon tax, asylum seeker issue, rest of health care and oh sorry maybe shouldn’t mention the taxpayer payout for the home insulation deaths…....nasty business really old chap.

    • Average Joe says:

      11:19am | 04/10/11

      Why the hell dental isn’t included under Medicare has always stumped me. If prescription glasses can be included under Medicare, why not mandatory dental work? This isn’t just a failing of the current government, it’s a failing that (to the best of my knowledge) hasn’t been seriously addressed since the Medicare system was introduced.

    • The righteous one says:

      11:23am | 04/10/11

      Did we have a medicare dental program prior to 2007? I cant remember one.  Go away Peter and figure out how yor pension is going to be effected by your supposed payrise.  I wonder if Alan and the truckies will turn up for a protest when that goes through the parliament?  I think not, Tony doesnt want to be embarrassed

    • collingwood fan says:

      12:27pm | 04/10/11

      spewin’

    • Bill says:

      03:33pm | 04/10/11

      ... and toothless.

    • PTom says:

      01:01pm | 04/10/11

      So under the old scheme we need the government to pay a medicare to fee to a GP to get chronic dental work of up to $4,250 of medicare benefit.
      Why the hell could we not just go to any dentist on medicare to get $4,250 of medicare benefit for chronic dental work?
      The old scheme is making extra work for GP.

      When you talk about shortage in dental are you talk about the reports from as far back as 2003 or the one tabled in 2005, or do you mean the skill shortage report 2010 that only talks about regional shortage.
      But according to this year report there are NO shortages if anything in a few years we may be exporting dentist.

      So what did Mr Abbott as health Minister do about it at the time, nothing.
      The LNP then rolled a dental scheme that increased workloads and cost in 2007 because for 11 years you did nothing.

      I guess the report ANZSCO 2523-12 makes your article complete Bullshite

    • Diana says:

      01:27pm | 04/10/11

      don’t they have to get it through parliament to abolish the scheme? if so it aint going to happen. I am currently receiving treatment on the scheme and would otherwise have lost a number of teeth (probably will anyway at some stage). I ended up very sick with a terrible infection because I couldn’t afford to go to the dentist. I already have health problems and this has made everything a lot worse. It is just crazy that our mouths are not considered to be health related….

    • stanS says:

      04:46pm | 12/01/12

      One time i had abscesses under 3 teeth the local dental clinic had a 6 week wait so i ended up having to go to Lakemba because that was the nearest appointment to where i lived.That was when we had a car,it took about 2 hrs to get there and all they did was take xrays then give me a money voucher to see a private dentist,if i had known about this scheme then it would have saved me so much pain,i have Diabetes so everything becomes bad really quickly and takes a lot longer to heal.I had to have the 3 teeth removed because of the abscesses.If this scheme is scrapped it will be a disaster for a lot of people.

    • colroe says:

      02:41pm | 04/10/11

      I reside overseas, and fortunately dental care, while not as up to date as in Australia, is relatively cheap.  eg $20.00 a filling.  On a recent visit back home, went to see a dentist in Newcastle, (chipped a tooth), she repaired it for $250.00 and quoted $800 for three fillings she said I needed.  Is it any wonder there is a problem with people having dental health issues in Australia?

    • No! No ! No! No! No! No! says:

      04:05pm | 04/10/11

      In the August 1996 federal Budget, The Howard Government first ever budget, the Coalition cut out the Commonwealth Dental Health Scheme.
      The Coalition are toothless tigers on dental health issues!

    • against the Man says:

      06:57pm | 04/10/11

      in 2007 KRudd the millionaire became PM and…..oh wait he is some loser spending millions in taxpayer monies travelling the world instead of being PM and Labor haven’t fixed health let alone the dental issues.

      In your face No!No!No!No!No!No! smile

    • stephen says:

      06:36pm | 04/10/11

      Dentists should not be referred to as Doctors, yet they seem to enjoy the white coat, (that’s because germs supposedly get into the mouth first, and our dentist is the first and last bastion of forward-guard action to stop halt it).
      Germs, being evil, are prefer black.

      Actually, 5 years to finish a course on dental surgery ?
      They must be getting their students from the NSW teacher’s Union.

    • marley says:

      07:26pm | 04/10/11

      Well, I dunno.  Why are doctors called doctors here?  None of them are MDs, they’re all MBBS’s, nary a doctorate in sight. 

      Overseas, both physicians and dentists have doctorates to their names.  So, why not?

    • Ash says:

      09:05pm | 14/02/12

      5 years well spent. After you’ve competed with over two thousand health science students to gain one of thirty or so undergraduate spaces in dentistry, then spent 5 years learning anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, general pathology, oral pathology, oral medicine, pharmacology, biomaterials, forensics, and epidemiology in addition to actual general dentistry, then you should feel qualified to pass judgement about the merits of a degree.

      Dentists gain the title of “Dr” because they diagnose, prescribe medicine and perform surgery.

    • lizR says:

      01:38pm | 12/01/12

      Another reason i will never vote Labor again.I have Diabetes and my husband has Alzheimer’s we have no car which makes it impossible to travel to where an appointment is available.I had to wait over 2yrs for my dentures,my husband got his straight away using this plan.This government is a disgrace the sooner we have an election and they are voted out the better it will be.

    • Ash says:

      09:14pm | 14/02/12

      The scheme should continue, but have stricter qualifying criteria - Ie. the “qualifying” health condition in question should actually have an impact on the patient’s dental health, or vice versa. Eg. things like cardiovascular disease and diabetes should qualify. The fact that you’ve got high blood pressure and have arthritis should not qualify you for over $4000 in dental care.
      The scheme should be means tested - if you are sick, but wealthy, you can still afford to pay for dental care yourself (I would expect a high income threshold for the means testing).
      The scheme should cover routine dental care (fillings, extractions, root canals, dentures) automatically, but prior approval should be gained before crown/bridgework/implants are commenced. This would mean sending clinical details and radiographs to a moderator before starting expensive procedures.

    • All says:

      08:45am | 13/03/12

      Good on you Ash.
      Now from an old, and maybe wise man. The management of the MCDDS scheme was wanting, however, a step back to Commonwealth Dental Care would IMHO be catastrophic. I’ve been there and they do the minimal work needed to get your backside out the door (much faster than the time it took you to get attention in the first place). Also, on inspection by a private dentist, the work done was regarded as 3rd world.

      I really am disgusted that after spending my working lifetime with the Commonwealth, I am being left to decay, by those that I worked so hard for (Lib & Lab).

 

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