When Julia Gillard rises at the ALP national conference Sunday week to urge uranium exports to India she will anger some of her closest supporters - women.

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She will also rile the ALP left who will argue against yellowcake to the sub-continent, but it is a long time since Julia Gillard has been considered a leftie.

Of greater importance might be the response of women voters in general, a significant number of whom have stuck by Gillard since she toppled Kevin Rudd, bungled an election campaign and scraped together a ragged agenda of her own.

But women are more sensitive to the nuclear issue than men and this debate at the party conference could weaken support from one of the few groups of voters who have stayed behind Julia Gillard.

The nuclear divide is one of several in politics which separates the sexes. Another is Tony Abbott.

The most recent Nielsen poll found in mid-November that 55 per cent of women disapproved of Mr Abbott’s performance as Opposition Leader, along with 53 per cent of men. They seem in sync there.

The first signs of a schism come on the question of Gillard’s performance as Prime Minister. Some 53 per cent of women disapprove, but 60 per cent of men feel the same way.

And when it came to preferred prime minister, the split was complete.

The poll found 47 per cent of women went for Gillard and 43 per cent for Abbott. For men, it was the same figures, but in precise reverse order.

In all categories, women favoured the woman.

However, a survey by Essential Media over the weekend found the sorority comes unstuck on the uranium question.

The poll found just 30 per cent of all voters backed exports to India. Some 45 per cent of all voters rejected it. Even within the Coalition support group, which is more comfortable with nuclear energy, just 35 per cent backed the export policy change.

This means the Prime Minister will have to win a massive public debate, not just the one within her party, if she is to get endorsement for the India switch.

Males were split close to evenly on the issue, with Essential Media finding 43 per cent backed the exports and 41 per cent opposed. The picture was clearer among women.

Just 18 per cent of women voters supported the export of uranium to India. It was opposed by 49 per cent. So roughly half of all women voters - at least - think Julia Gillard is making a mistake.

Women are even more strongly opposed to Australia taking up nuclear power, despite the advantages of lower pollution and cheaper long-term electricity rates.

Essential Media found 56 per cent of men supported the adoption of nuclear energy here. Just 24 per cent of women said the same.

The majority of women either opposed nuclear power plants or had no opinion. This sizeable majority is powered itself.

Among all voters, nuclear power was backed by just 39 per cent, with 45 per cent opposed. Considering the relatively large number of men who think nuclear power might be viable, and the large number of Coalition voters (50 per cent) who think the same, it is likely that the argument was swung to well below 50 per cent by the women’s vote.

It is possible they made up the bulk of the 23 per cent of all voters who were not just opposed to nuclear power, but strongly opposed.

Gillard is right on this issue.

India already has nuclear power, but needs more. Cheaper electricity could lift the lives of the 400 million Indians who live every week on less than we spend on coffee. Much less. It might help them afford such things as electric lights and refrigerators.

In 2008 an executive in the Indian nuclear industry recalled to me how a food shortage during his childhood was eased by Australian wheat.

“It was well known in every household, that this wheat has come from Australia. And today we are importing coal from you. Why not uranium?” he said.

A senior government official also invoked a special relationship to urge uranium sales.

He said that, like India, Australia was not tied to its British colonial past.

“Ultimately, geography will trump history, and Australia will be part of Asia. Ultimately, you are with us,” he said.

But the terrible nuclear aftermath of the wrecking of Japan’s Fukushima reactor no doubt is influencing all aspects of the nuclear debate.

The Prime Minister must realise that women, in particular, will need to be convinced she is right.

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    • Sony B Goode says:

      05:37am | 23/11/11

      Socialist party propaganda at its best.

      “but it is a long time since Julia Gillard has been considered a leftie”

      What total rot. Komrade Gillard is on of the nastiest bit of socialist tripe Australia has had the misfortune of being duped into voting for.

      The sooner this heinous prosperity and progress hating phobic is turfed into the dust bin of history the better.

    • Eric The Red says:

      06:25am | 23/11/11

      Sony B Goode you are one sad little Vegimite.

    • Nathan says:

      07:13am | 23/11/11

      @Sony B
      Think you missed the point here champ i.e. it was actually covering voting trends between sexes not a pro Gillard piece. I actually wanted to write a long response rebutting your comments but i realised there is no point cause your an idiot

    • Sony B Goode says:

      07:41am | 23/11/11

      No I didn’t miss the point.

      You leftist totalitarians can revel in 57-43

    • Nathan says:

      08:19am | 23/11/11

      @Sony B

      I am happy you have access to a computer cause you have clearly done your research to see how many ways you can either call the Labor party communist or atleast insinuate it. Next step understand their meaning

    • Sony B Goode says:

      09:23am | 23/11/11

      Communist, socialist, leftist all open or closet totalitarians. All want more government, less freedom and the result is universally less progress and prosperity.

      The role of government is to enable prosperity not trash it.

    • James says:

      09:37am | 23/11/11

      Sony

      Thats the best you can do?

      57-43? Two thats right 2 years out from an election.

    • TimB says:

      05:50am | 23/11/11

      Julia may be right on the Indian export front, but all she’s really done is correct yet another Kvin Rudd mistake.

      I’d have far more respect for her if she used this opportunity to properly address the issue of domestic nuclear power usage. As long as she a) supports the mining and export of uranium overseas and b) continues to claim that it is imperative that we reduce our CO2 emissions, then holding back onAustralia embracing nuclear power remains the height of stupidity.

      If she wants to embrace a true forward moving policy that is very likely to get bi-partisan support from the Coalition, a nuclear power policy for Australia is a smart move.

    • acotrel says:

      06:22am | 23/11/11

      @TimB
      ‘As long as she a) supports the mining and export of uranium overseas and b) continues to claim that it is imperative that we reduce our CO2 emissions, then holding back onAustralia embracing nuclear power remains the height of stupidity.’

      Height of stupidity ?  You should know !
      It really makes me laugh when you guys doubt the scientists evaluation of global warming, but accept their involvement in the nuclear industry as reliable.  Aren’t you choosing what you believe to fit in with your neoliberal ideology, in a vain attempt to extrapolated the industrial revolution to infinity ?

    • acotrel says:

      06:27am | 23/11/11

      @TimB
      As a scientist I’ll give you the benefit of two opinions at no charge :

      Global warming is happening, and is exacerbated by human actions.
      Australia should stay way from nuclear power unless we buy the lot elsewhere.
      Here endeth the lesson !

    • Mahhrat says:

      06:34am | 23/11/11

      @TimB - with you on that one.

      If we’re happy giving it to others, we’re hypocritical not to seek to use it ourselves.  Especially given our apparent geographical advantages.

    • Sony B Goode says:

      06:44am | 23/11/11

      The only warming is in the thick heads of socialist totalitarians whose ideology is becoming extinct.

      The leaked IPCC report shows there is no global warming.

      The sooner you socialist totalitarians realise the goal of government is to enable prosperity nor destroy it the sooner the population might start to listen again.

      57-43

    • nihonin says:

      06:57am | 23/11/11

      acotrel says:

        07:27am | 23/11/11

        @TimB
        As a scientist I’ll give you the benefit of two opinions at no charge :

        Global warming is happening, and is exacerbated by human actions.
        Australia should stay way from nuclear power unless we buy the lot elsewhere.
        Here endeth the lesson !

      I had to laugh at the ending, what a pompous, self righteous twat you are acotrel.

    • marley says:

      07:00am | 23/11/11

      @acotrel - I’m going to turn your own argument on its head.  You’re prepared to accept the scientific evidence that anthropogenic global warming is occurring, but not their evidence that the nuclear industry is safe and reliable.  Aren’t you yourself guilty of the logical area you accuse neo-liberals of making?

    • TimB says:

      07:10am | 23/11/11

      Acotrel, the day I value your opinion or learn something useful from one of your ‘lessons’ is the day I know I’ve finally gone round the twist.

      If you truly believe in global warming, and accept that we’re facing global apocalypse unless we reduce CO2 output, then you’ll be willing to grab any chance at staving that off. Nuclear is the best chance you’ve got.

      Potential global climatic destruction, or the slightest minute chance of a nuclear accident that may or may not affect a tiny portion of the planet.It should be a no brainer choice. Which explains why you have so much trouble with it.

      And the fact that that you, the Greens, the ALP and their all their ilk would apparently rather risk their predicted apocalypse then embrace nuclear power, it tells me deep down you don’t believe the Prophesies of Doom as espoused by the Church of Gore either.

    • acotrel says:

      07:34am | 23/11/11

      @TimB
      ‘If you truly believe in global warming, and accept that we’re facing global apocalypse unless we reduce CO2 output, then you’ll be willing to grab any chance at staving that off. Nuclear is the best chance you’ve got.’

      Best chance I’ve got -  have I got your word on that ? How about we do something to control global population growth, and develop alternative energy sources ? We could put enovid in all food supplied to third world countries, but that might offend the Pope ? We could develop solar power in Australia, but the cost of the cables would offend the LNP ?

    • Aitch B says:

      07:40am | 23/11/11

      @acotrel

      “Global warming is happening, and is exacerbated by human actions.”

      As a scientist, please enlighten us with your own studies and peer reviewed papers. As a scientist you’ve obviously done your own research into AGW, haven’t you?

    • Brian Taylor says:

      08:10am | 23/11/11

      @acotrel ...How about we do something to control global population growth,
      FINALLY I can fully agree with something you’ve written acotrel
      NOW if we got rid of the greenies, indies and labour supporters
      think that’d help glodbal population?

    • Lordy Lordy says:

      09:00am | 23/11/11

      But there is NO such thing as global warming.*
      gulp

      * These words of knowledge are paid for by big oil and coal.

    • P.H. says:

      09:09am | 23/11/11

      TimB
      The only party that supports Nuclear energy in Australia is One Nation, so I’m assuming with your right wing fringe beliefs that you are a member?
      If not and you are a Liberal party fanboy, then how about you bring it up at the next meeting of the young liberals and have Abbott take it to the next election for a mandate.

    • Thanks says:

      09:11am | 23/11/11

      “The leaked IPCC report shows there is no global warming”
      Complete falsehood.

      Shown up as total 100% bullshit, yesterday.

    • Sony B Goode says:

      09:32am | 23/11/11

      “Uncertainty in the sign of projected changes in climate extremes over the coming two to three decades is relatively large because climate change signals are expected to be relatively small compared to natural climate variability”.

      this is a complete about face to the Gore doomsday, grab your life jacket hysteria which showed the AGW signal was overwhelming weather.

      In other words they have no idea what’s what!!!!!!

      AGW is a fraud, just read the latest batch of CRU emails. A clear political corruption of science.

    • TimB says:

      09:33am | 23/11/11

      What a sad and sorry troll you are Badger.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      09:54am | 23/11/11

      @Mahhrat

      “If we’re happy giving it to others, we’re hypocritical not to seek to use it ourselves.”

      If a drug dealer takes his/her own drugs does that change the ethical and or moral character of the act.

      If nuclear power is properly costed - that is the losses aren’t socialised while profits are privatised - and it is not just a front for nuclear weapon making, where it would be subsidised in the name of “national security and TimB’s beloved Liberals want to make it one of their (few) policies and argue and campaign for it?  Then I’m all for it being considered as an option for Australia.

    • Thanks says:

      10:24am | 23/11/11

      Yeah yeah yeah yeah. SBG, you’re just peddling bullshit.

      Here’s what the IPCC Chairman had to say about their latest work…

      “As we said in the 2007 assessment report floods, droughts, and heatwaves will all increase,” said Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC. “We abide by that, and we hope the world accepts it. We can never link a specific event, but the aggregate analysis is totally sound.”

    • mahhrat says:

      10:56am | 23/11/11

      @Freddy,

      Your analogy is ridiculous, but let’s run with it anyway.

      Right now, we are addicted to coke.  (That’s a form of coal; I do note the similarity).

      What’s nuclear power?  It’s certainly not a vegan cleansing diet, but it’s not crack cocaine either.

      No, what it is is methadone - if used properly, if correctly risk managed, and if placed in the right places (Lucas Heights being NOT one of those), then it’s a better way of doing things than coal.

      In 150 years, I’d like to see us all running on solar energy.  Until then, we need something else.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      12:23pm | 23/11/11

      @mahhrat

      Your original post said:

      “If we’re happy giving IT to others, we’re HYPOCRITICAL not to seek to use IT ourselves.” (My emphasis)

      My analogy holds. No mention of analogues there. Why hypocritical? If it is any good and we don’t use it we might be considered stupid - but hypocritical? We don’t make them buy the stuff- they want it.

      Your statement means- If we’re happy giving crack to others, we’re hypocritical not to seek to use crack ourselves.


      @TimB

      Love the way you declare an issue resolved. Why is it so? Because TImB says so.

    • TimB says:

      03:05pm | 23/11/11

      No Freddy, i assumed it was ‘resolved’ due to your lack of response. A response which I see you have neglected to provide this time either.

      You raised the issue of costs. I responded to those issues. Seeing as you would rather distract from the issue with silly posts instead of actually rebutting my points, I’m forced to assume you have no counterargument. Likewise I must also assume you thus agree with me that nuclear power is already properly costed.

      Thanks for playing.

    • acotrel says:

      09:19pm | 23/11/11

      @AitchB
      ’ As a scientist you’ve obviously done your own research into AGW, haven’t you? ‘

      Why have a dog, and bark yourself ?  Why do you think governments fund scientists to do research, if we need to pull every conclusion apart and agonise over it ? You’ve obviously never been to a scientific conference, or ever read a paper yourself ?  Noone but an idiot would try to repeat the evaluation of research which involves so much data, in the vain hope that they might find fault with the conclusion.  That moron Lord Monckton gives me the biggest laugh, he doesn’t even seem to know the basics of scientific research.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:00am | 24/11/11

      @TimB

      My lack of response was because I have a life outside of posting on The Punch- you know, real job and family? Oh, maybe you don’t? Given the amount of time you spend trawling this site.

      I don’t even know whether you will see this post so it’s hard to care.

    • nossy says:

      06:01am | 23/11/11

      Just an early snippet Malcolm if I may, mining related - the MRRT passed the lower house last night - ANOTHER loss for Tony “The Repealer” Abbott who is dead set on his way to becoming the Liberal leader who has lost the most of anything- votes, censure motion - whatever. I notice a lot of die hard right wing bloggers falling away on The Punch Malcolm as the cold hard realisation dawns that Abbott is taking the Libs absolutely nowhere - Malcolm Turnbull cant believe his good fortune as the Lib leadership slowly slips into his lap - “come to poppa” says Malcolm - not long now fella!  Ohhh how sweet it is!
      http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/greens-agree-to-pass-mining-tax/story-fn7x8me2-1226203083697

    • Sony B Goode says:

      06:20am | 23/11/11

      Spin harder noisy its 57-43 and that 43 includes the watermelon vote

      Democratic socialism is on its last breath globally, it stand for nothing beyond bankruptcy, unrealistic promises and broken dreams that in reality are nothing but nightmares for ordinary citizens

      People understand that democratic socialism is a form of self-inflicted prosperity destroying totalitarianism

    • nihonin says:

      06:25am | 23/11/11

      ‘But it was a mystery last night how the Government was raising the extra $20 million a year.

      Senator Brown said the Greens had agreed “not to reveal the specific measure” and it would be announced by the Government’.

      That’s the worrying bit, what has the Labor Party agreed to this time to pass this particular bill, that dare not be said out loud, by either party.

    • Joan says:

      06:36am | 23/11/11

      No loss to Tony Abbott.  All Gillard policies affect every Australian tofday and in the future - in a negative way - Australians will be paying big time for Gillard minority government policies well into the future. . Rise of strikes result of Fair Work. A Carbon Tax - foisted on Australians while rest of world retreating from implementations in near future. A costly NBN that very few are signing up . The big budget hole that Swan is hidding. The MRRT wiil be used fill up excessive government spending - used to plug Swann big hole. Australia the big loser noe and into the future   with Gillard policies - not Abbott.

    • acotrel says:

      06:44am | 23/11/11

      @nossy
      Tony Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, a man’s man and a great leader - he should be encouraged, the LNP needs people like that.
      (honest too !)

    • acotrel says:

      06:50am | 23/11/11

      @nihonin
      ‘Senator Brown said the Greens had agreed “not to reveal the specific measure” and it would be announced by the Government’.’

      It’s like the way Tony refuses to telegraph his punchs by releasing his positions on LNP policies before election year ! - Secret man’s business ! ! ! ? ?

    • acotrel says:

      06:55am | 23/11/11

      @Joan
      ‘Australia the big loser noe and into the future   with Gillard policies - not Abbott. ‘

      But how could Abbott do better withless than one half of Julia’s IQ ?

    • acotrel says:

      07:01am | 23/11/11

      @Joan
      ’ All Gillard policies affect every Australian tofday and in the future - in a negative way - Australians will be paying big time for Gillard minority government policies well into the future.’

      ‘in a negative way’ - a prediction ?  Will you be on this forum to eat your words when we all reap the benefits of the NBN in regional Australia ? Even our local National Party member in Benalla, Bill Sykes admitted the potential improvement it offers, the other day.  Perhaps you should speak to him sternly ?

    • acotrel says:

      07:05am | 23/11/11

      @sony
      Don’t you mean COMMIES ?
      Mr B.A.Santamaria, and Doc Mannix are dead, der DLP ist KAPUT !

    • Joan says:

      07:39am | 23/11/11

      Acotrel:  Laugh - NBN the new highway to brains. So has there been great explosion of new bright big business, great brains at work in areas connected with NBN? Haven’t heard areas are outsmarting the rest of Australia - doing business faster and smarter than rest of Australia.  Nothing like gullible to get sucked in by Gillard propaganda - Mao would have been proud of Gillard.

    • Joan says:

      07:43am | 23/11/11

      Acotrel:  What your write indicates you are no expert in IQ measurement .

    • sandra says:

      07:50am | 23/11/11

      iwhat planet are you on???? this mining tax is the biggest deception ever perpetrated on this country- but methinks its a little too complex for you to understand what has just happened. All my female friends feel exactly is my male friends do about Gillard!! On every issue she is a lier, bully and so arrogent that she has set back the cause for women in politics 50 years or more. None of us can stand anything about her—yet we voted for her originally!!  She just did the Uranium back flip becasue Obama told her to!!! we are not as easily conned as you!!!!  Even writting about her makes me sick—read the polls mate—she is gone big time - YEAH!!!!!!!!

    • sandra says:

      07:50am | 23/11/11

      iwhat planet are you on???? this mining tax is the biggest deception ever perpetrated on this country- but methinks its a little too complex for you to understand what has just happened. All my female friends feel exactly is my male friends do about Gillard!! On every issue she is a lier, bully and so arrogent that she has set back the cause for women in politics 50 years or more. None of us can stand anything about her—yet we voted for her originally!!  She just did the Uranium back flip becasue Obama told her to!!! we are not as easily conned as you!!!!  Even writting about her makes me sick—read the polls mate—she is gone big time - YEAH!!!!!!!!

    • jg says:

      07:58am | 23/11/11

      75-43 2PP fanboy.

      The ALP at present has been reduced to a minor party.

      I wonder how much lower it can get?

    • Mouse says:

      08:38am | 23/11/11

      Sorry nossy, not just a loss for Tony Abbott but all Australians I feel. The Greens were always going to support it, the Independents were always going to come on board after “some tough negotiations” were done and the Liberals were never going to be able to stop it. The thing I find most worrying is the announcement that no details will be released as to the details of the arrangements. But that seems to be what gillard and co are good at, never explaining the details. She’ll be right mate, we know what we are doing, you don’t need to. Your fixation on Tony Abbott is silly nossy, I seem to remember you wanted gillard gone not long ago, he doesn’t have the numbers so cannot stop any of these policies being pushed through the house. What I would be worried about nossy is all the secret deals and handshakes that gillard and swan are doing, all the secret promises behind closed doors and all the “details” that we never seem to be told about. So much for the new, improved, transparent government! What is even scarier is that there are people out there that are actually supporting this government and cheering all these underhand dealings on and that, nossy, is by no way sweet!

    • nossy says:

      08:57am | 23/11/11

      Wow look at the remants of Tony “The Repealer” Abbott come out in defence - yes theres sweet Joan the Liberal party Member from Adelaide as usual - strewth 300 peices of legislation passed , 18 straight Aboott censure motions defeated, I mean Abbott in his glory moment is not even the Preferred PM!  hahahah   If her was a racehorse he would be scratched!  Ohhhh how sweet it is!

    • nossy says:

      09:24am | 23/11/11

      @sandra   and yet Sandrra as we read in yesterdays news many of the Coalition now want it !  hahha Sandra poor old Tony couldnt lead a horse to water let alone make it drink.Watch the Coalition savage Abbott when they all realise he has taken them to ANOTHER electoral defeat - Ohh how sweet it is Sandra.

    • Sentient says:

      09:25am | 23/11/11

      nossy
      The way these Abbottophiles carry on about polls, you’d think the election was next week, not 2 years from now.
      Abbott has been in election mode since he fell into the Liberal leadership by one vote. This has got to be the longest election campaign in the history of Australia, perhaps the world.
      So the dummy spit continues.
      The wrecker who couldn’t wreck anything morphs into the repealer. Just another Abbott alter ego superhero who wears his smugglers on the outside of his bag of fruit.

    • andye says:

      09:56am | 23/11/11

      @Joan - The Internet industry provides 50 Billion a year to Australia’s GDP. We are out here working, and just because you are ignorant doesnt mean it isn’t happening.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      10:05am | 23/11/11

      @jg

      “75-43 2PP fanboy.”

      Is that based on an electorate with 118% of voters in it?

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      11:10am | 23/11/11

      @Nihonin

      Even as a Labor supporter I am worried by that, how can you pass something and the public not know the details?

      Not a good look.

    • acotrel says:

      09:25pm | 23/11/11

      @Joan
      ‘Acotrel:  What your write indicates you are no expert in IQ measurement .’

      I know a monkey when I see it !

    • Peter says:

      06:23am | 23/11/11

      Male or female anyone stupid enough to still support the disgraceful Juliar and the worst Government in Australias history is not worth pinch of poo. Who care what these fools think that is what got us in this mess in the first place.

    • Sherlock says:

      06:40am | 23/11/11

      Can’t help but agree with this. I can;t tell you the amount of times women have discussed their fears with me regarding selling uranium to India.

      Oh hang on, yes I can it’s exactly zero.

      Methinks somebody was really out of ideas for a story

    • marley says:

      07:03am | 23/11/11

      I don’t know what the split is, because I doubt that it’s relevant.  What matters is how much women care about the issue.  They may prefer not to sell uranium to India but their preference only matters if it changes their vote.  And I don’t personally believe this one issue will be enough to make an ALP supporter go to another party.

    • Adam Diver says:

      09:21am | 23/11/11

      We have a thousand articles about gender issues and sexism and mysoginist and domestic violence, and everyone can agree that we should treat women equally and so on and so forth. Farr himself has written articles on how gillard sex is the cause for extra vitriol, poor polling, and any other negative happening in the world attributed to Labor.

      Well me thinks when you use an article on Uranium sales to India, as a catalyst to segregate the sexes once again, you are part of the problem, you further divide the human species into an us and them situation.

      The issue is unrelated to sex as it can get. What women or men collectively think about uranium sales to India, is about as important as finding out what percentage of disabled at birth people think of the policy as oppossed to people who become disabled later in life think of the policy.

      Equality is achieved when we stop segregating ourselves into groups for any purpose.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      10:03am | 23/11/11

      Does Kim Kadashian or our Princess Mary have a position on uranium exports? Because then we would really know what Australian women think about it. Most wouldn’t even know what uranium was.

    • Kika says:

      10:27am | 23/11/11

      Blind Freddy - AND you wonder why women are misandrists?

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      10:59am | 23/11/11

      You wouldn’t even know what misandry was unless Eric had explained it to you Kika.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      02:12pm | 23/11/11

      @Kika

      Oh, I thought it was because we men are all paedophiles and wife beaters - but it’s really because women don’t have a sense of humour.

    • Joan says:

      06:45am | 23/11/11

      Lot`s of ditzy dames out there—  support an opportunistic backstabbing liar,  real qulaity traits , the same qualities that some dames just love in their men

    • acotrel says:

      07:46am | 23/11/11

      @Joan
      I like your style !  A woman who hates backstabbing - where can I find one ? OOPS ! I think I can hear my wife’s footsteps in the passage - gotta go !

    • Eric The Red says:

      09:47am | 23/11/11

      Compared to Tony Abbotts Opportunistic, backstabbing, lies and no policy traits Hey Joan.

    • joy says:

      07:10am | 23/11/11

      I think uraniam should be left in the ground where it belongs, how many more, nightmares will we have to have, regarding dangers of nuclear accidents,  Short gain in cheaper energy. but at what price ????  contamination of our waters, soil, air, and people that have to be put in quarantine, and the cancers sickness and all,  if they get this uranium in their system…. a horrible thing we are passing on to the younger generation.  And as for Julia Gillard, I don’t think she gives a hoot about the people she is supposed to serve. All she gives a hoot about is remaining PM, I spare my self the agony of listening to her, and just change channel when she is on the TV.

    • marley says:

      07:27am | 23/11/11

      @Joy - well, the Canadians, the French, the Brits and a whole lot of other countries seem to be living quite successfully with nuclear power.  And you get more radiation in the air from coal fired power stations than from nuclear ones.

    • acotrel says:

      07:42am | 23/11/11

      @Joy
      I’m glad you don’t live in our house.  My wife refuses to watch the news on TV, because she might see Tarzan’s offsider naysaying again.

    • acotrel says:

      07:50am | 23/11/11

      @Marley
      Windscale, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, Fukishima, the submarine Karsk.
      Could there be a trend ? An indication of a biggy in the offing ?

    • Anonymous says:

      09:23am | 23/11/11

      Acotrel, the TREND is that people are pointing the finger at the technology instead of the assholes who cut corners with safety in order to turn a profit. Also Joy, if you think that nuclear power is the main contributor for the horrible things you mentioned, then you’re a fool. It’s worth pointing out that nuclear power has virtually zero carbon dioxide emissions and you can isolate and contain the waste. I’m also pretty sure many more people have died from coal-power related accidents compared to nuclear.

      Nuclear power is extremely clean and efficient, but like all technology, it must be used responsibly. Just decades ago, we discovered that misused nuclear power can destroy the world. What many people fail to realise is that by harnessing it responsibly, nuclear power can in fact help save it.

    • marley says:

      12:09pm | 23/11/11

      @acotrel - what exactly is your point?  That in the last 60 years there have been 4 incidents involving nuclear power plants (I exclude the Kursk from your list, because that one had nothing at all to do with the nuclear reactor).  Should I list off the coal mining disasters over the same period of time?  Or the airline crashes?  Or the number of people killed in car accidents?  Do you spot a trend here? 

      A little bit of research will show you there’s no evidence of long-term health threats for three out of the four, while so far Chernobyl has accounted for less than 70 deaths.  That figure may rise over time (after all, it’s only been 25 years) but is not going to remotely approach the numbers spruiked by the anti-nuclear lobby.  Frankly, based on its record to date, the nuclear industry seems a lot safer than just about any other power industry.

      Nothing is ever going to be 100% safe, so the longer something is used, the more accidents are going to occur. That has nothing to do with comparative risk levels and you as a “scientist” ought to know that as well as anyone.

    • marley says:

      12:45pm | 23/11/11

      @acotrel - ps - you still haven’t explained why its wrong for “neoliberals” to reject scientific advice on AGW but accept it on nuclear power, but fine for you to accept scientific advice on AGW but reject it on nuclear power.  Pot, meet kettle.

    • Ye Grappler says:

      08:06pm | 23/11/11

      I have to agree with you, Joy.  I live not far from Helen Caldicott and her views make a lot of sense to me.  We need to be looking at truly viable long-term sources of energy for domestic and export use - and not to long-term dangers.  A friend of mine sent me a photo of Indian power lines in a city - and pointed out that the same people handle your call centres.  What price nuclear?

      And how about a proliferation of ‘depleted’ uranium penetrators in anti-armour shells - that so many Gulf War Vets hold responsible for their Gulf War syndrome.

      As for global warming - 50% of scientists say it doesn’t happen - does anyone quote them?

    • acotrel says:

      09:40pm | 23/11/11

      @anonymous
      An Australian power generating reactor would still have people associated with it.  Have you ever personally beemn invoved in handling intractable waste !  For radioactive materials there are two regimes:
      For low level waste:
      ‘Dilute and disperse’.
      For High level waste
      ‘Delay and decay’
      Some of the isotopes involved have laf lives of thousand of years, and there are already thousands of tonnes of waste being held around the world.  Eventually some poor bastard has to maintain its storage and handling, and we can’t even now handle non-radioactive chemicals without having incidents.
      I’ve been in the business, and in my opinion we should avoid nuclear material like the plague !
      I’ll bet you don’t even know what the maximum permissible dose is for a member of the public ?

    • marley says:

      06:18am | 24/11/11

      @acotrel - so let me get this straight.  Australians can operate an airline as safely as anyone in the world, as you keep telling us, but can’t manage a nuclear reactor safely.  Are we really so much dumber than the Canadians, the French, the British, the Argentinians,etc etc. ?

      If we do go to nuclear power, we will have the properly trained people operating it and handling the safety protocols.  You’re always raving on about the need for standards:  well, there’s no industry with more standards, regulations and protocols than the nuclear one.  It has everything you insist we need t have - and it’s still not good enough for you?  Frankly, your reaction is not a scientific one at all - it’s purely visceral.

    • Fiddler says:

      07:13am | 23/11/11

      Just goes to show, men are more rational and make decisions based on logic. Women base their opinions on what Cate Blanchett tells them to believe

    • persephone says:

      07:29am | 23/11/11

      Oh, look, couldn’t agree more. I always carry a copy of the ‘Women’s Weekly’ around with me, so I know what to think.

      (Statement authorised by my husband).

    • Nathan says:

      07:30am | 23/11/11

      OMG i think this was an attempt at humor/rant but you sound like a f#$king moron

    • marley says:

      07:30am | 23/11/11

      @fiddler - men are more rational than women?  Hmm.  You haven’t read acotrel’s comments, have you?

    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      07:43am | 23/11/11

      Hi Malcolm,

      Thank you for mentioning the fact, in India there are millions of people are surviving on so little!!  We have been exaggerating the growth of India’s economy for too much, recently!!  I just want to know if our plans regarding uranium sale to India, will be actually used efficiently & for the sole purpose of producing electricity & nothing else!!

      It is a bit true about the fact that women tend to favor women leader, especially when it comes to their voting habits!!  Nothing wrong with that at all, considering that it is a first time we have ever had a female Federal Leader in Australia!! Why not enjoy the moment, while it lasts, right??

      Australia is already part of Asia, however I just want to know if we can all accommodate all the impoverished nations like China & India on our own & if it is not asking far too much from Australians??  When we consider our strict rules & regulations regarding migration in general!!  I certainly would not want to swap places with both nations! Best regards to your editors.

    • jf says:

      07:45am | 23/11/11

      “Cheaper electricity could lift the lives of the 400 million Indians who live every week on less than we spend on coffee. Much less. It might help them afford such things as electric lights and refrigerators.”

      Not to much chance of them putting a price on carbon dioxide anytime soon then hey.

      Just us, going it alone.

    • Nathan says:

      08:12am | 23/11/11

      @JF
      One fault with what you just said there and its a massive one. Its a clean energy alternative so it would actually be a great alternative as far as providing cheap electricity to the millions whilst limiting carbon output.

      So taking that into account its actually a great measure for getting the rest of the world to reduce emissions.

      I realise that this may sound condescending, it was meant to

    • jf says:

      09:56am | 23/11/11

      Nathan says:09:12am | 23/11/11

      “One fault with what you just said there and its a massive one. Its a clean energy alternative so it would actually be a great alternative as far as providing cheap electricity to the millions whilst limiting carbon output.”

      I’m reasonably sure that Austalia’s decision to export uranium to India won’t lead to a reduction in carbon dioxide emissions any time soon.

      “So taking that into account its actually a great measure for getting the rest of the world to reduce emissions.”

      So why did the ALP stop exports then? Why do The Greens continue to oppose them?

      “I realise that this may sound condescending, it was meant to”

      No problems there Nathan. I am well and truly used to the warmists group-think smugness. I imagine that this was how the Catholic Church hierarchy was in the middle ages.

    • jg says:

      07:53am | 23/11/11

      Marine bases, Uranium to India, off shore asylum seeker camps, sucking up to a US President?

      Gillard is channelling Howard.

      What next, Work Choices?

    • james says:

      09:41am | 23/11/11

      And a rise in the polls too.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      11:17am | 23/11/11

      Much of the same, more populist then party policies I think.

    • Helen says:

      07:57am | 23/11/11

      Incredibly patronising article. a real journalist might have made some genuine effort to analyse why the support for Nukes is lower among women. Perhaps men as a whole are more likely to be employed somewhere along the fuel cycle and as such there are a few more yes votes from people who are a bit biased by the prospect of a job for themselves. Instead we get cracks about “sororities” and the implication that our weak little ladybrains can’t work out the pro-nuclear arguments.

      Maybe some of us have done the reading and thinking and know that the argument that nukes have lower carbon emissions is only true for the actual plant itself while it’s operating - the rest of the fuel cycle and the building of the thing will negate that advantage. Plus, nukes use mega-mega-megalitres of water every day and we just don’t have unlimited water to waste in this country. Plus the fact that the waste disposal problem has never been adequately solved, current storage “solutions” are temporary and some countries are putting nuclear waste in barrels under the sea. Not to mention the “other countries are doing it” argument: Yeah, nuclear power was perfectly safe in Japan - until it wasn’t ...

    • willie says:

      04:17pm | 23/11/11

      Maybe women are less comfortable with nuclear because they are generally less well educated about science. Maybe it’s because they respond more to the emotional counter arguments to nuclear. I don’t know but they are my guesses.
      I refute your claim about carbon emissions and provide a link.
      http://world-nuclear.org/education/comparativeco2.html
      I concede that nuclear uses more water than fossil fuels. This can range from 20 to 80% more (http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rn/2006-07/07rn12.pdf).  I would assume in Australia we would choose the plants that use 20% more. The reason they use more water is that operating pressures in a nuclear plant are lower than conventional plant, I assume for safety reasons, so theoretically nuclear power could be as water efficient as conventional power stations.
      I also refute your claim about waste storage. There is evidence that naturally occurring nuclear reactions happened in Gabon approximately 2billion years ago. The waste was only discovered in 1972, i.e. it was safely stored until someone started to mine it, and even then it has caused no discernable harm.
      http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=ancient-nuclear-reactor
      If other countries are doing it they are cheaply reducing their carbon emissions, this is a pretty good argument.
      Nuclear power wasn’t safe in Japan because it was poorly managed, are you suggesting that Australia cant manage nuclear power, that Australians cant be as safe as the Armenians, Bulgarians, Czechs, Indians, Mexicans, or Argentineans, not to mention the 21 other countries with clean records.

    • Brenda says:

      08:08am | 23/11/11

      Well I’m a woman working amongst both genders, and I don’t know one other female who can suffer Hyper-bowl Julia in fact the majority deeply dislike and distrust her.

      I’ve never heard anyone so disparaged as Julia Gillard.  Women do not like her droning voice, her obsequious manner towards foreign leaders, her touchy-feely style, and her lying. They roll their eyes and provide unattractive commentary about her physical appearance. 

      So I don’t believe for one minute that Australian women have “stuck” with Julia Gillard because they were never “with” her.  I don’t believe she will ever have the confidence of Australian women, on any issue.

    • Pat says:

      08:50am | 23/11/11

      Good article. If only women voted The Greens would be the conservative party. Indeed, the only reason Australia is so multicultural, has cradle to grave welfare, is pro-abortion and will probably celebrate it’s first gay marriage soon is because women are allowed to vote, lol. Female voters just want everyone to be happy. Invent a ‘right’, complain that you’re being denied it and women will vote for your cause all day long.

    • marley says:

      12:11pm | 23/11/11

      Yeah, Margaret Thatcher was such a strong supporter of the welfare state….

    • Anna C says:

      09:16am | 23/11/11

      One of the best reasons for selling Uranium to India is so that it pisses off the Pakistani’s. They are a bunch of double crossing bastards. Is it any real wonder that the US has been pushing us hard to sell to India.

    • skander says:

      10:17am | 23/11/11

      So will we be selling uranium to the other two non-signatories to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as well, to Pakistan and Israel?  How about North Korea, who signed up but then renounced the treaty?

    • Randal says:

      11:09am | 23/11/11

      Gillard would have made an amazing diver, does anyone do ‘back flips’ better… Let’s see, told Kev he had “Her full support” then knifed him, told the Australian people that “there would be no carbon tax under the government that I lead” and bang we have a carbon tax, told us that offshore processing to non signatories to the ‘Refugee Convention’ was ‘evil’ and then tried to ship children to Malaysia, and now she provides a double back somersault with a full twist by selling uranium to India!

      Yep, you can sure trust Julia on one thing, and that is to do the opposite of anything she says!

    • Joel B1 says:

      11:11am | 23/11/11

      “Gillard is right on this issue”

      So the ALP as a whole is wrong?

      So much for your oft-sprouted “Gillard is a negotiator and consensus marker par excellence”.

      Sounds like Gillard thinks she running Australia all by herself to me.

    • B2 says:

      12:06pm | 23/11/11

      ““Gillard is right on this issue”

      So the ALP as a whole is wrong?”

      The reasoning power of a child.
      Get out into the real world and interact with adults.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      12:34pm | 23/11/11

      The non-decision, to sell our uranium to India is nothing more nor less than sheer political opportunism by Julia Gillard. She can’t change the rules the ALP has laid down. There is no guarantee the National Conference will approve her suggestion.
      Just as John W Howard took his orders from that nasty warmongering bastard George W Bush & thereby made Australia a target for Terror, Julia Gillard is taking her orders from possibly the only man capable of making her go weak att the knees, giggling, kissing, cuddling & generally making a laughing stock of herself: Barack Obama.
      Personally I don’t give a toss if we sell Uranium to India. India will get it from someone without asking our permission. The whole issue is typical of the hypocrisy of our politicians. Surely before a gram of the stuff can be exported the federal parliament has to approve it? If not, why not?. We know the Coalition are prepared to sell it to almost anyone who will pay the price (how hypocritical is the Indian Government? They have untold 10s or 100s of millions living in abject poverty & need yet India likes to spend billions on armaments, including nuclear weapons!
      The biggest mob of hypocrites of all, The Australian Greens, have remained virtually silent. What’s the matter Bob & Chrissy? Has your vote slipped from the heady days just over a year ago of 16% to under 10% & you are, typically, trying to shore up support from the ALP? Or is it that you have at last realised that if the ALP & Coalition Parties co-operate in a mature, intelligent way you & those other non-representative Independants will becaome irrelevant.
      Gillard apart from being the worst Prime Minister this country has ever had thinks nothing of telling more lies to ingratiate herself & the ALP with Obama. She did tell Obama that ALP PM John Curtin was responsible for the ANZUS Treaty didn’t she? He died in 1945. SIX long years before ANZUS came into being. But Julia could not, like most politicians, let the truth get in the way of a good story - she was so a-bizz with & over-excited by being beside, touching, cuddling & kissing her ” HEro she got confused. Better take up Crosswords & take, at leas,t 10x1000mg of Fish Oil every day, Jules, for as we know ” Confusion” at your age is a sure sign of problems down the track.

    • Purple Man says:

      01:14pm | 23/11/11

      The Gillard government is so full of crap and utterly useless. Which brain dead moron still supports the ALP/Greens?

    • Purple Man says:

      01:17pm | 23/11/11

      Gillard and the ALP are wrong. They are bad for this country and they don’t give a hoot about Australians. The ALP is corrupt! Even a child knows this!

    • Jimmy G says:

      02:11pm | 23/11/11

      Corrupt??? WOW - thats bad. I suggest you take you evidence to the police immediately. Let us know how it went

    • Against the Man says:

      02:44pm | 23/11/11

      Jimmy G, the federal police are currently investigating Craig Thompson. Sorry you didn’t get the memo. Does the G stand for Goon as in union employed? smile

    • Against the Man says:

      02:28pm | 23/11/11

      Haven’t figured out the Labor con game? Everyone is saying Bob Brown is PM. Gillard needs to show she is in control and Labor is not part of the Greens. Pretend to ‘sell’  uranium to the Indians, know it will be shot down because she has a minority government. Shrug hers shoulder and blame Tony Abbott and pretend to be ‘disappointed’ and spin it all in to how she is ‘in control’ and Labor isn’t controlled by the Greens. Game, Set, Match!

    • Mouse says:

      02:52pm | 23/11/11

      No ATM, gillard doesn’t have a minority government. The Greens will always side with Labor, as will the Independents. So this “minority” government is crap. We have the Liberal Party and the incumbent government, no more, no less.

    • Against the Man says:

      05:07pm | 23/11/11

      Unless the Greens and the Independents change their name and logo to ALP they are still separate units who only have a say now because Gillard could not muster up the votes to win the election. As in real life Gillard is a loser.

    • Rachel Laurel says:

      03:16pm | 23/11/11

      Master Chef, My Kitchen Rules!
      Labor has greens for dinner and yellow cake for desert.
      Liberal only eats the television dinners!

    • PsychoHyena says:

      03:32pm | 23/11/11

      I am over all these comments that refer to the Labor Party as being the Australian Nazi Party, etc.

      Perhaps some of you Liberal supporters should actually look at what you are supporting when you support the “opposite of Labor”.

      You support your country being pimped out and her pimp keeping the profits. You support all Australian companies being foreign-owned, you support all Australian jobs being performed by people overseas.

      So if all you have to say is “Labor sucks mmmkay” or “Liberals suck mmmkay” I personally think you should all shut-up, sit down like good little children and let the adults talk. Okay?**

      Thank you and good afternoon, you are all inspiring me to potentially register as an Independent.

      **Any argument against this comment that is in similar vein to the “<insert Party> sucks” line will result in the observation that your parents obviously didn’t raise you right.

    • Alicia says:

      03:58pm | 23/11/11

      This is an annoying article, because - given those polling figures - what Gillard actually needs to do is change men’s votes, not women’s. Why is it that the women’s vote is considered winnable, that women will change their minds on what is obviously a heartfelt conscience issue, but men won’t change their vote? Is it because men are ‘stronger-minded’ or something? Whatevs.

    • stephen says:

      04:45pm | 23/11/11

      India has nuclear weapons, and was a signatory to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, then let it lapse when Pakistan, with the help of China, became herself nuclear armed.
      India is the only nation in the world, as far as I know, which has not proliferated its nuclear know-how.
      India is a peaceful nation and has not given the slightest aggressive hints - Kashmir, notwithstanding - to any other country.

      The women of the world are nervous about nuclear fallout because of the damage to unborn DNA’s.
      That’s OK ; they protect and nurture our cultures by reproduction, and the men I know don’t like faulty genes either, not least, to have to keep procuring to save the species.
      (Some men I know are happy, and indeed, may I say grateful, to be able to do this.)
      So if the women of the world want to change things, ie men, then don’t wait for an election, do it now.
      The ball’s in their court.

 

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