I was sitting with some friends and students in the outer western suburbs of Sydney the other day. We were chatting about the High Court’s decision on the Malaysia Solution and offshore processing of refugees.

Illustration: Bill Leak

The general feeling was that it was about time someone demanded that Australia meet its international obligations and stop dumping them onto other countries. While there was not much sympathy for Gillard, nor was there any support for Tony Abbott’s posturing.

Someone actually quoted their Greek grandmother, who compares Greeks and Italians - saying, “they are the same, but different”. My question: “Would you vote for Tony Abbott if an election was held tomorrow?” was met with a resounding ‘no’. So is Gillard finished?

A few years ago, I wrote an article refuting the popular belief that a government is only as good as its Opposition. Rather, I argued, an Opposition is only as good as a government allows them to be.

If we look at the Abbott Opposition, there is little there to feel confident about. Tony Abbott seems to lack any understanding of basic economics, and according to his own words, we should not really believe a word he says.

While I like Joe Hockey, he is the very definition of policy on the run. This was highlighted with his quip that he would close down the Department of Climate Change without actually realising what he said.

Barnaby Joyce and the Nationals are not sure if they want to be the protectionist party and when it comes to property rights for farmers, they have much more common with the Greens and Alan Jones than with the liberalist ideals of the Liberals.

We then have the fringe elements of the right: Cory Bernardi who seems to find hanging out with xenophobic politicians the solution to ethnic tensions rather than realising it exasperates them, and Scott Morrison who has urged colleagues to take advantage of anti-Muslim feelings.

The Liberals, if they were in charge during the GFC, argue that they would have been tight on the budget, failing to understand the nature of economic cycles and the financial implications that follow.

If we size up the Opposition then, there is not much talent there. The reason they look so good is because the Government is looking so bad.

Despite what almost everyone else is saying, I think Gillard can win the next election based on three premises: The first is that things cannot get much worse; the second is that the Abbott Opposition has little vision on how to govern and does not represent an alternative government; and third, two years is a long time in politics (just remember how quickly Rudd became a dud).

So what does Gillard have to do to win the next election? The first step is to return to the ALP platform in which all policy should be based: they are a social democratic party with strong history of social justice that underlies any national interest.

This would mean dealing with the Greens rather than the Opposition when it comes to refugee policy.

Onshore processing with a minimal mandatory detention period would show our neighbours that we take our responsibilities seriously and is more likely to lead to a regional compromise. As John Menandue from the Centre for Policy Development noted, there is more to refugee policy than locking up refugees.

The Opposition response can be predicted - and the Government should stare them down.

While the Government has now ruled that out, a deal with the Greens is still more likely to lead to an outcome the ALP base will find palatable - not something that mimics the Opposition.

The second would be to explain the carbon tax and how it can be a small step towards dealing with climate change and also help promote the Australian manufacturing sector. Those who argue that a carbon tax will kill manufacturing are arguing for the status quo - and we all know how that is panning out. The carbon tax can redirect investment towards high-end renewable manufacturing.

On its own, a carbon tax is not enough. It should also be accompanied by an industry and innovation plan, as well as a revision on the mining tax more in line with the Henry Review, and the upcoming Tax Summit is just the place for it to happen.

Additionally, monies collected would give Australia the funds for a sovereign wealth fund. This would take pressure off the Australian dollar and would not only help manufacturing, but also the education, tourist and service sectors.

The final step would be for the Government to go back to its grassroots and listen to them on issues ranging from gay marriage to political donations and the pre-selection process.

All this would give the government a foundation on which to build. In contrast what they have now is a series of policies with no intellectual thread. This is what makes both the Government and the Opposition look so flimsy.

The next election will be won by the party who stands for something - and there is no reason why that cannot be Gillard. But as we have seen with Gillard’s decision to pursue a deal with the Opposition when it comes to the Malaysia Solution, this realisation is not going to come any time soon.

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    • Erick says:

      05:51am | 15/09/11

      This article is composed entirely of wishful thinking. The fact that you and your lefty mates all agree you hate the Liberals has little bearing on what most Australians think.

      This is one of the first lessons of practical politics: The people you hang out with are likely to have similar views to yours, and it’s a grave error to assume they’re typical. That’s why polls and surveys are so important - they give some perspective on what the general population thinks.

      Perhaps in time you’ll learn better.

    • LeftRightOut® says:

      07:00am | 15/09/11

      I find it astonishing that a “lecturer in the Humanities”, who does/did work for NGOs has friends and knows “uni students” - who would NOT vote for Tony Abbott!
      Imagine, a bunch of stereotypically left-wing wanna-be beatniks, choosing not to vote for a conservative party.

      The same example of the above stereotype, thinks that Labor can win on: Soft refugee policy, gay marriage, and simply explaining the carbon tax.

      Wishful thinking doesn’t go far enough, Erick, deluded is closer, and probably typical of his stereotypical group. Amazing, utterly amazing.

    • Nathan says:

      07:32am | 15/09/11

      So basically what you are saying is ... The ALP will become electable if they morph into the Greens? Not going to help or happen mate ...

    • jf says:

      07:48am | 15/09/11

      It must be lovely, living off other people’s money and being so certain about things.

    • acotrel says:

      07:51am | 15/09/11

      @LeftRightOut
      ’ I find it astonishing that a “lecturer in the Humanities”, who does/did work for NGOs has friends and knows “uni students” - who would NOT vote for Tony Abbott!’

      Thanks for the laugh !

    • Retired Soldier says:

      08:31am | 15/09/11

      Erick you are spot on with your comment but I doubt the author of the article will learn any time soon. Have a look at his Bio and you will see the reasons behind his views and his hatred for the Liberals. I think a lefty “human rights activist” working for the Whitlam Institute might be a little biased.

    • AdamC says:

      08:46am | 15/09/11

      On the upside, if JuLiar and the gang took James’s advice, we wouldn’t have to worry about the Coalition coming a cropper.

    • Gillard is Toast says:

      08:50am | 15/09/11

      LOL

      And I know a lot of people who have integrity, who have sworn to never vote Gillard again.

      And I know a lot of people who have a mortgage and are stuggling with a budget, who will never vote Gillard again

      And I know a lot of people who work in trade expose industry and are stuggling with foreign competition, who will never vote Gillard again

      Ie that is why the current opinion polls are a fair reflection of the electorate.

      We might not like Abbott, but we like incompetant, liars like Gillard much less then Abbott, hence the opinion poll

      As for you uni friend, tell them to get a job, a family and a mortgage, ie responsibilities, then they will understand the rest of Australia

    • LeftRightOut® says:

      09:14am | 15/09/11

      @acotrel - welcome, mate grin

    • Super D says:

      09:23am | 15/09/11

      Advocating that Labor adopts the Greens policies is your master plan?  Gee its worked so well so far.  You must be a closet coalition supporter - after all you are advocating political positions that will see the Coalition in power for 2 decades.  I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case - that you would like to see the Coalition rule. It is so much easier for Leftards to snipe from the sidelines from a self delusional moral high ground.  Its only when in power that reality turkey slaps lefties every time.  Far better to dream of a better world than be responsible for delivering it.

    • andye says:

      10:17am | 15/09/11

      @ LeftRightOut - “Wishful thinking doesn’t go far enough, Erick, deluded is closer, and probably typical of his stereotypical group. Amazing, utterly amazing.”

      This is where a lot of conservative debate is going these days. Name calling. These lefties must be crazy! Gay marriage? Crazy leftards are crazy!

      What came from Erick to start this and many of the comments that follow demonstrate a kind of dismissive condescension. The same kind that leads to people saying “liberalism is a mental disease” or that young people shouldn’t have the vote, or ridiculing something like Gay Marriage as a reason behind any persons vote.

      @Erick - “The fact that you and your lefty mates all agree you hate the Liberals has little bearing on what most Australians think.”

      Suddenly you are claiming “most Australians”? Most Australians aren’t left or right. They don’t hate the other side and demonise them. Just because they are pissed at Gillard and Labor doesn’t mean you suddenly have a huge ideological army to support you. It just means the pendulum has swung and people are angry at the government. Half of them wouldn’t know which one is “left” and which one is “right” anyway.

      Don’t make the mistake of thinking that when the middle shifts one way or another that you have some massive consensus. It isnt about ideology. If Abbot gets in and fails to give everyone multicoloured candy and amazing endlessly rising house prices he will suddenly find that hip pockets and fear campaigns are far more important than the partisan sides so may people think are everything.

    • Erick says:

      10:44am | 15/09/11

      @andye - You are misreading my comment.

      For one thing, it is a fact that most Australians are opposed to the Gillard government. Two-party-preferred polls, and polls of preferred prime minister, are pretty much unanimous on this.

      While that may be subject to change, it is wishful thinking for James to think that his friends are representative of Australians in general - or that Labor would gain votes by adopting policies that would please him and his circle.

      The actual opinions of most Australians vary in many ways. Taking a single self-selected group and assuming they’re representative doesn’t work. This is the first mistake James makes in his article.

    • LeftRightOut® says:

      10:51am | 15/09/11

      Andye, you misinterpret my post… very little name calling, and none of that which you mention. I’ve never used the term “leftards” in my entire life for example.

      I did paint a picture of a stereotype, hence the beatnik wanna-be thing… this was taken as intended by acotrel - who I’m sure I would disagree with on many things, but I respect his opinion.

      I try to avoid attacking people. Given, sometimes, early in the morning, before my caffeine fix has taken affect, I sometimes operate on emotive instinct… generally, though, I try to keep it civil.

      I don’t think anyone’s opinion is crazy, it’s their opinion, nothing more, nothing less. I think that the author’s assertion that if the government backs gay marriage (as an election strategy) they’re on a hiding to nothing - that is MY opinion. Of course, being an arrogant so and so, I reckon I’m probably right, too.

      I suggest you re-read my post, mate…

    • andye says:

      11:01am | 15/09/11

      @Erick - I agree that the article may have an inherent bias based on the group he picked, though we dont really have enough details to confirm that.

      What I am saying is that many people on both sides make the same mistake. You are about as representative of “most australians” as the lefty professor is. Even identifying yourself as being right or left places you in a group separate to the vast middle. If that vast middle moves to the left or right it is more about self interest than anything else.

      It is a mistake to look at the polls and think this means most Australians are represented by the small percentage who come to places like this to call each other names and throw around words like “marxism”.

    • Erique says:

      11:31am | 15/09/11

      Despite its ostentatiousness, this sentence from Erick contains some sage advice:

      “The people you hang out with are likely to have similar views to yours, and it’s a grave error to assume they’re typical.”

      Those who “hang out” with Erick may care to mull upon it for a bit.

    • poa says:

      12:05pm | 15/09/11

      Sheesh you rabid Lefties make me laugh.
      Lets establish a soverign wealth fund!
      Errrr we have one. Its called the Future Fund and your ALP mates haven’t stuck anything in it since Rudd got in.
      In fact they’re trying to rip money out of it, even though it was set up so that you couldn’t until 2020.
      Can’t believe the Punch published this.
      Shows what a Leftwinged piece of bile it is!

    • Erick says:

      12:56pm | 15/09/11

      @andye - You’re still missing my point. I didn’t claim to be “representative of most Australians”. I simply pointed out that taking the opinion of one’s friends as being representative is an error.

      This applies to everyone. That’s why it’s important for practical politicians to look at polls and other indicators that avoid such bias.

    • Kassandra says:

      03:29pm | 15/09/11

      @ Erick

      “This article is composed entirely of wishful thinking.”
      lol I think you’re only half right there Erick - I agree with wishful but I can’t see any evidence of thinking:)

    • TomZ says:

      04:09pm | 15/09/11

      @Erique “Those who “hang out” with Erick may care to mull upon it for a bit.” Even you hang out with him. You borrow his sentence to do a little meaningless clever-clogs reversal. Then you borrow his name. You would not have an original thought in your vapid head.

      It appears that only 27% of the population don’t hang out with Erick when it comes to voting intentions.

    • right turn only says:

      05:39pm | 15/09/11

      Every writer, Every celebrity, and Every troll on the Punch Website , and on every other website , votes Labor. They only pretend to vote Liberal.
      Every Punch journalist, Every News Ltd Journalist, Every Fairfax Journalist, akll freelance journalist , all free lance troll, and every consumer votes Labor. They only pretend to vote for The Coalition and to support Liberals!
      Everyone supports Labor. They only pretend to vote for The Coalition.
      Labor cannot lose the next federal poll in Sept 2013.
      Everyone loves Labor.Nobody votes for the Coalition in real life!

    • acotrel says:

      09:55pm | 15/09/11

      @Andye
      I realise the kids are entitled to have their go.  But these days I just feel sorry for them.  This latest lot seem very programmed, and lacking in perception. They learn from teachers who only know what they’ve read or been told, and have never had a real job.  One of my sons recently said to me ’ What you said to me was right, it is just as you said it was.’  He still votes for the LNP.  Everyone has different answers to our problems !

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      05:51am | 15/09/11

      You are talking to different people than I am, then. Most I know want us out of the UN Convention on Refugees so that we are not subject to a bunch of freeloaders skipping safe havens on the way to bludge of the Aussie taxpayer.

    • acotrel says:

      06:57am | 15/09/11

      @Tony
      ’ Most I know want us out of the UN Convention on Refugees ‘

      Stop the world, I want to get off ?
      If we did that, we could probably kiss all of our trade agreements goodbye.  Our national image would change from respected to abhorred!  And we’d all be sitting around shouting adoring words to Tarzan’s offsider?  Utopia - It’s here ?

    • Old Man Emu says:

      08:29am | 15/09/11

      You said it acotrel - no one wants to trade with China… oh wait, you must be wrong. Trade has nothing to do with refugee conventions run by corrupt despot bodies like the UN and everything to do with money. No refugee convention, no worries on the trade front.

    • Jon says:

      08:35am | 15/09/11

      Tony of Poorakistan@ Agree, we pull out of the UN Convention and problem solved. Also I bet many more countries secretly may want to do the same thing. We still take people but on our terms.

    • Anubis says:

      08:59am | 15/09/11

      @ Acotrel - What utter crap. You have excelled

    • Mayday says:

      09:08am | 15/09/11

      Good point Tony.

      I think the author needs to get out a bit more and meet the Australian Taxpayers who have had a gut full.

      The idea of tearing into Tony Abbott once the standard response has been brushed aside is wearing a bit thin.

      Ms Gillard was at it on 7.30…..she gives us a glib predetermined response and once its poked and prodded and rejected by the person doing the interview she reverts to blame Tony Abbott!!

      I am so over this formulaic response from the ALP and some of our better journalists are wanting more too, the droning monotone has always been hard to endure but the content is now so meaningless its a complete turn off…......a bit like this article.

      “The next election will be won by the party who stands for something “
      and guess what it will be lead by Mr Tony Abbott.

    • Dan says:

      09:33am | 15/09/11

      Leave the Convention?

      And confirm the already negative, racist, selfish stereotype much of the developed world holds for Australia.

      The image this debate has created for us isn’t a positive one. We’re viewed by many as anti-immigration, anti-Muslim, and very unwilling to share our fortunes with those less fortunate.

      Senior Howard Government figures were recently held up as heroes in the dossiers of Anders Behring Breivk. His idea of Howard Government policy was utterly incorrect - but it gives you an idea of what the outside world thinks we’re up to.

      Our internal squabbles over a handful of largely genuine refugees is viewed by nations with real border control issues, as utterly pathetic. Nations in Europe and the Americas are being hit with many thousands of refugees, on a daily basis.

      And here’s the key point. You referred to the current asylum seekers as “freeloaders skipping safe havens on the way to bludge off the Aussie taxpayer.”

      The current rate of admission of genuine asylum seekers proves that to be entirely untrue. The vast majority are genuine refugees - the rest are turned back.

      This is a small problem, with a small solution. Quick, cheap, onshore processing.

    • jf says:

      10:37am | 15/09/11

      Dan says:09:33am | 15/09/11

      “And confirm the already negative, racist, selfish stereotype much of the developed world holds for Australia.”

      Something for which the left are entirely responsible. Australia is one of the most tolerant countries on earth and yet the left love nothing more than denigrating our national character in this respect.

      “Senior Howard Government figures were recently held up as heroes in the dossiers of Anders Behring Breivk. His idea of Howard Government policy was utterly incorrect”

      Absolutely right. Because of the myths and lies perpetuated by the left.

    • Must be in the minority says:

      01:11pm | 15/09/11

      “We’re viewed by many as anti-immigration, anti-Muslim, and very unwilling to share our fortunes with those less fortunate.”
      Sadly, particularly if the comments on blogs like this are any indication, this is a pretty accurate synopsis of modern Australia.

    • Jeanie says:

      05:54am | 15/09/11

      Your student friends wouldn’t happen to be ALP/Green or GetUp! supporters would they?

    • Dave says:

      08:07am | 15/09/11

      Yet more justification to make the voting age 25 and up. That way they should be more aware of the real world and the effects of the Green crap and many of the Labor lies.

    • marley says:

      08:42am | 15/09/11

      I heard that the average age of a GetUp! supporter is 55.  Gives new meaning to the phrase “mid life crisis” doesn’t it?

    • acotrel says:

      09:07am | 15/09/11

      @Dave
      The voting age should be 65 and up !  You youngies don’t know what’s good for you !

    • MarkS says:

      09:23am | 15/09/11

      The ALP is already doomed becouse they are too clsoe to the Greens. If they were stupid enough to find follow the writers advice they would find themselves even closer, as in inside the Greens when the Greens eat them.

      What we have here is a Greens booster trying to get their polices up & kill the ALP by urging the ALP to follow them. Hopefully Gillard is not that foolish.

      Howard knew that One Nation was a dagger aimed at the heart of the Libs, the Greens are a dagger aimed at the heart of the ALP. But the ALP does not seem to see this.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      05:54am | 15/09/11

      You give both the ALP and LNP way too much credit. They are both incompetent and lacking in vision. The party that wins the next election will be the party that makes the least amount of mistakes. Just don’t expect any decent policies from either of them.

    • acotrel says:

      07:54am | 15/09/11

      @Shane
      ‘The party that wins the next election will be the party that makes the least amount of mistakes’
      Who decides what is a ‘mistake’ ?  Do we judge that on the basis of Tony Abbott’s negative one liners?

    • nihonin says:

      09:52am | 15/09/11

      @acotrel ‘Who decides what is a ‘mistake’ ?  Do we judge that on the basis of Tony Abbott’s negative one liners’?  Not all of the voting public, listen to Tony Abbott screeching, some of us do read papers, watch the news and a variety of other shows, to form our opinions.  We don’t just tow the party line, like some do.

    • Aaron says:

      02:32pm | 15/09/11

      The problem being that our government is derived mostly lawyers and businessmen/women. To get any kind of competence I think the government would need to be comprised of more people from a science/engineering background. Problem is that all these people are too busy doing good work to go and then work in the government,

    • Fed says:

      06:07am | 15/09/11

      You are dreaming. Oppositions don’t win elections, governments lose them. Howard list as he was there too long and Work Choices, this Govt will due to Rudd/Gillard and the carbon tax, sorry Carbon charge.

    • acotrel says:

      07:56am | 15/09/11

      @Fed
      Howard lost because ‘you can’t fool all of the people all of the time ’ !

    • dovif says:

      01:11pm | 15/09/11

      Unlike Gillard who tries to fool all the people all the time

      ie we will stop the boat people, there will be no carbon tax under a government I lied to?

    • acotrel says:

      09:28pm | 15/09/11

      @dovif
      What I like about Julia is, she isn’t a practised liar who tries to convince us that it’s OK to lie.  Abbott is simply insulting !

    • Lee-Anne Hayes says:

      06:11am | 15/09/11

      I agree that Gillard winning the next election could be a strong outside possability.
      I’m not impressed by the governments policies, and how things are going however Abbot doesn’t impress me either and I wouldn’t vote for him.  It’d be giving legitimacy to Alan Jones and the other shock jocks.

      Why hasn’t Jones et. al climate change policy been looked at?Lets not forget coalition has signed up for the same drop in emissions as labor but we never get to hear about it. If Abbotts climate change policy is so god how come we never hear about it ad how it’s going to work?

      No doubt lots of conservatives will jump on here and go on and on about a bad government etc, Pity they won’t have any coalition policies to compare and contrast.

    • LeftRightOut® says:

      07:04am | 15/09/11

      There’s plenty of policies, Lee-Anne. Go to the Lib website and read them.
      Either that, or you could keep parroting ALP sound grabs.

    • jf says:

      07:53am | 15/09/11

      Lee-Anne Hayes says: 06:11am | 15/09/11

      “No doubt lots of conservatives will jump on here and go on and on about a bad government etc, Pity they won’t have any coalition policies to compare and contrast.”

      You don’t have to listen to Abbott (I’m sure you don’t) or even go to the LNP website to realise that the LNP does have policies all you have to do is listen to Julia Gillard, Bob Brown and GetUp criticising those policies: that is when they are claiming they don’t have any.

      But that is more of the same duplicity that we have come to expect from this government: one day claiming the LNP has no policies and then criticsing those policies.

    • iansand says:

      08:02am | 15/09/11

      Why should I go to the web site to find the policies?  I would have thought that the job of the Opposition Leader and Shadow Cabinet was to persuade me that their policies are better.  Why do they hide their policies?  Are they embarrassed.

      There is more to opposition than mindless opposing.

    • iansand says:

      08:02am | 15/09/11

      Why should I go to the web site to find the policies?  I would have thought that the job of the Opposition Leader and Shadow Cabinet was to persuade me that their policies are better.  Why do they hide their policies?  Are they embarrassed.

      There is more to opposition than mindless opposing.

    • Michael says:

      08:37am | 15/09/11

      iansand ignorance is no excuse, that’s why you should take the personal responsibility to become educated instead of sprouting ignorant bullshit.

      Lawyer? did someone say Lawyer? as in, educated?

    • Aitch B says:

      09:15am | 15/09/11

      @Lee-Anne

      You wouldn’t vote for Abbott because it would be giving legitimacy to shock jocks??

      My what a deep thinking voter you are!!

    • LeftRightOut® says:

      09:19am | 15/09/11

      @Iansand - the Coalition policy list, whilst there, is still a bit light on, but I don’t think they should be criticised for that.
      The primary reason there’s not a lot of coverage of them (which I think is where this lack of policy line stems from) is because an election is not due for two years.
      If I was advising them (I know, they’d be buggered if I was!) - I’d tell them to keep their powder dry. Don’t want to give them too much time to attack, attack, attack each and every policy on their list.
      Let’s not forget the state ALP strategy, nor the Federal one - they simply “me too” all coalition policies. Rudd did it, Gillard did it, Bob Carr did it, Kenealy did it, Bligh did it… it’s par for the course.

      Having said that, the coalitions policy position is almost irrelevant at this stage of the cycle, the ALP are IN government, and the focus should be on them.

    • jf says:

      10:03am | 15/09/11

      iansand says:08:02am | 15/09/11

      “Why should I go to the web site to find the policies?”

      You don’t. You just have to spend some time listening to the shadow ministers on tv or reading the newspaper.

      “I would have thought that the job of the Opposition Leader and Shadow Cabinet was to persuade me that their policies are better.”

      Tell me of one opposition, just one, that spend time doing this before an election was called. Just one.

      “Why do they hide their policies?”

      They don’t. Amongst other places, they are on their website. Hardly hidden.

    • Sherlock says:

      06:23am | 15/09/11

      This is so ridiculous that its crossed over into parody. Reading it is a good laugh. All I can say to the author is that he needs to spend a lot more time off campus, broaden his base of friends away from the typical mad left wing university staff and students and start involving himself in the real world

    • S.L says:

      06:31am | 15/09/11

      Interesting points James but one thing is assured.
      If Ms Gillard wins the next election Messers Jones, Hadley, Bolt and Ackerman will have to go back to the drawing board!

    • SimpleSimon says:

      08:52am | 15/09/11

      Isn’t that reason enough alone to vote Labor?!

    • Brian Taylor says:

      06:39am | 15/09/11

      James, you might be able to fool yourself, but sorry mate, you can’t fool the Australian public.
      Gillard will NOT win the next election, she’s finished.
      Labor will be out of power for another 10 years.
      Oh sure, there are rusted-on labor suporters who’d vote for her, but the normal Australian has woken up to her lies and total waste of taxpayer’s monies.
      you can try to spin it anyway you like James but I’d suggest that you and your student buddies go and get a job and join the real world.

    • Erick says:

      08:00am | 15/09/11

      Good catch, TimB!

      I love the way the Internet makes it easy to check pundits for accuracy.

    • Tim says:

      10:28am | 15/09/11

      hahaha,
      that is funny.
      Although I actually think those articles were right, Kevin Rudd would have won the last election (If he didn’t get knifed in the back).

    • persephone says:

      06:52am | 15/09/11

      Although I agree that Gillard can win the next election (by no means accepting that that’s a done deal!) I don’t agree with this roadmap.

      For a start, I don’t think it is at all humanitarian to encourage people to get into leaky boats to get to Australia. Sure, once they’re here we should treat them with respect and dignity, but we should be doing all we can to stop them getting in the leaky boats in the first place.

      That means some kind of regional processing is necessary - even if you take the extreme left solution of sending planes to pick them up to avoid the ocean voyage, you need somewhere to pick them up from!

      Regional processing means working with our neighbours in Asia, few of whom have the same human rights standards we do. So we need to work through those problems as well.

      Malaysia ticked a lot of those boxes - the government’s work there has already resulted in better treatment of existing refugees, and is an indicator that further involvement would lead to even better outcomes.

      Secondly, the writer says that carbon pricing needs to be better explained - and then refers to the ‘carbon tax’. If he doesn’t understand that it isn’t, then that points to the difficulties for the government here.

      The best way to ‘explain’ a policy which has been as misrepresented as carbon pricing is to put it in place and watch as the sky doesn’t fall in.

      (And, btw, it does include a lot of the industry assistance he refers to).

      The party is pretty good at listening to its grassroots, but its grassroots also understand that yoiu can put in place all the lovely shiny policies in the world, if you lose the next election a lot of them will vanish or be severely compromised.

      There aren’t any more votes to be gained for Lbor from the far left. The votes they’ve lost there have gone to the Greens and will come back via preferences. It’s the votes of the centre and (a few) from the centre right that need to be gained.

      My advice to the government would be to keep doing what they’re doing. It’ll involve a lot of teeth gritting and there’s no guarantee of success, but the basic policy thrust is good - health reform, the NBN, education, carbon pricing, just for starters - and if the majority of these policies are in place at the next election, we’ll have the choice of a government with a long list of achievements and an Opposition which just says No.

    • Tom Gillmore says:

      08:07am | 15/09/11

      Bloody hell, this is like an Oakeshott address to the nation!

      My short reply to this long-winded nonsense is that you are absolutely and positively delusional if you honestly believe Gillard and Labor have any chance at the next election.  They are out of touch with the majority of Australians and they simply can’t win that trust or respect back.

    • Sherlock says:

      08:09am | 15/09/11

      The best way to ‘explain’ a policy which has been as misrepresented as carbon pricing is to put it in place and watch as the sky doesn’t fall in.

      I just laugh every single time I read something like this. The ALP is so far removed from reality that they actually believe introducing two new taxes that will cost Australians $20 billion EVERY years is going to win them an election.

      It’s so delusional it’s funny. Just as nobody ever lost their job before workchoices, no price ever rose before the carbon or mining taxes.

      These new taxes will become the whipping boy for any company that wants to raise prices or shed staff. People will see the price rises every day and no amount of compensation will ever convince them they are nor worse off.

      Yet you think this is going to win you an election?

    • jg says:

      08:31am | 15/09/11

      Gillard is toast.

      Absolutely nothing can save her.

      Can’t wait for the next election so I laugh loudly at rusted on lefties who continually defened the Rudd and Gillard government throughout there dipping fortunes, failed policies, backflips, incompetence, etc.

    • PTom says:

      09:59am | 15/09/11

      Sherlock ,
      Which Australian do you mean BHP and Rio Tinto.

      Lets forget the benfits of increase in super or the cut in income tax and company tax.

    • Sherlock says:

      10:23am | 15/09/11

      PTom asked: Sherlock , Which Australian do you mean BHP and Rio Tinto.

      No I meant every last Australian. You, me, everybody. You can’t introduce $20 billion plus of new taxes without everybody paying.

      You might not forget the benefits you mentioned but I guarantee everybody else will.

      Pay them $20 compensation when it’s only going to cost them $10 and all they will remember is the $10 and if they do forget then Tony Abbott will be there to remind them.


      If the ALP think this is going to help them win an election they are totally delusional

    • Adam Diver says:

      12:30pm | 15/09/11

      How convenient it must be to have your cake and eat it too. You want humane treatment of refugees, and to create disincentives for thier attempted journeys here.

      Hmmmm, one day you may try and amalgamate your various moral positions, and you will see that life is not a choice between cookies and rainbows.

      “Although I agree that Gillard can win the next election”

      I guess when you make a huge number of incorrect claims, you become immune to making new ones. If this turns out to be another incorrect prediction, will you does us the honor of refraining from making more.

    • Coop says:

      12:59pm | 15/09/11

      Ha. Youre funny Persephone.

      Yesterday you were advising us all of the foolishness of standing in front of a moving car expecting to be seen by the driver.

      Today, here you are effectively advising the govt to grit their teeth and play chicken with a train.

    • NicoleG says:

      02:11pm | 15/09/11

      Good Lord Pers. Not long ago, off shore processing was evil, inhumane and just plain bad. Now Gillard wants it, is good, humane and just the right thing to do. Good girl. You’ve read and learnt your ALP memo sooooo well. Three golds stars for you.

    • persephone says:

      06:52pm | 15/09/11

      Nicole G

      you must be thinking of someone else.

      I’ve been consistent on this since the Tampa days.

    • Sefton O'Grady says:

      07:48pm | 16/09/11

      Yes, Pers, I believe you’re right..I can’t recall your position having changed in all the time I’ve been reading this blog. Dimwits like Nicole G with their “3 gold stars” insults don’t like being called on their bullshit accusations

    • Peter Gareth says:

      06:53am | 15/09/11

      Remember when Gillard came to power she had three things to fix that Rudd had messed up: asylum seekers, mining tax and climate change. Ha ha. I can’t believe lefty students are still dumb enough to have faith. And yeah Gillard is pretty good on economics too.

    • Fiddler says:

      07:01am | 15/09/11

      Maybe if you left the resistance office at your university you would get slightly different ideas. People don’t agree with your policies and is she went along with them Labors primary vote would drop from something starting with a 2 to something starting with a 1. I would find this piss-funny but hey lets put the needs of the country ahead of my need for a chuckle.

    • Gary Cox says:

      07:04am | 15/09/11

      I’ve never heard the Nats mention protectionist policy. Bob Katter yes, but not the Nats. Also Tony Abbott doesn’t have to be interested in economics, that’s why he has a shadow treasurer and finance minister. I’d back Hockey and Robb in any day over Swan and Wong on economics. Also Scott Morrison ....., ah don’t worry about it, I haven’t got time to rebut everything in this piece.

    • acotrel says:

      07:59am | 15/09/11

      @Gary Cox
      ’ Also Tony Abbott doesn’t have to be interested in economics, ‘

      And what exactly IS Abbott interested in apart from his own political future ?

    • acotrel says:

      08:03am | 15/09/11

      What about Sophie Mirabella ?  Is she smarter than Kim Carr ?
      I suggest you see what you want to see !  All I see in the opposition is a mob of inept politicians determined to reclaim their birthright, but with no ability to justify their election.

    • From the mouthes of Libs says:

      09:21am | 15/09/11

      “Tony Abbott doesn’t have to be interested in economics”
      Gold. Says it all really.

    • From the mouthes of Libs says:

      09:21am | 15/09/11

      “Tony Abbott doesn’t have to be interested in economics”
      Gold. Says it all really.

    • Dan says:

      09:36am | 15/09/11

      Gary -

      Look up Shadow Ag Minister John Cobb’s recent comments on the import of NZ Apples. He drew up a private members bill, that was turned down by the party due to Protectionist ideals.

      Caused a heavy rift in the Coalition. I daresay there’s more of the same on the way.

    • haggis says:

      11:23am | 15/09/11

      Hmph! That Tony Abbott . . . Bachelor of Economics and Bachelor of Laws from Sydney, then Queen’s College, Oxford, as Rhodes Scholar,  and graduated with a Master of Arts in Politics and Philosophy, family man who cares about his wife and daughters,  boxer, cyclist, athlete. OK, he’s got ears, but his butt, nose and chin all pass muster . . . . Hmph . . . what would he know about economics or life?

    • Gary Cox says:

      01:51pm | 15/09/11

      @Dan the reason that they were against the importation of NZ apple was because of the risk of fire blight, a disease our apple producers don’t have, yet. It was a biosecurity reason not a trade protectionist one.

    • Dan says:

      02:18pm | 15/09/11

      Gary -

      The WTO had ruled fireblight wasn’t a significant enough concern to continue to block trade. Cobb’s comments suggested ignoring the WTO, and breaking international trade agreements. The WTO was well aware for the risk, and he was well aware of the ruling.

      Julie Bishop is also on the record saying that she held deep concerns about the movement towards protectionism, and the Liberal Party will always support free trade.

      See - http://www.smh.com.au/national/coalitions-apple-bill-set-to-fall-far-from-the-tree-20110822-1j6uv.html

      The Nationals have many times expressed deep concerns about the value of free trade. I have no doubt its a rift that will only deepen, when they take Government in a few years.

    • Charles says:

      07:09am | 15/09/11

      Time to get yourself some new mates James, the current set are just articulating the usual ideology without looking at the score. 

      While you might not like Tony Abbott, the reality is he has destroyed two PM’s and the ALP while being in opposition, in less than two years.  He must be doing something right that you and your pals cannot quite get their heads around.

    • Dave-o says:

      12:44pm | 15/09/11

      The first coalition leader to win more seats than the Labor party and not form government.

      Incompetence at its finest. Time to go Tony.

    • Franky says:

      01:03pm | 15/09/11

      Dave-o - your a comedian, right?  You just hang on to whatever you’ve got left mate.

    • Dave-o says:

      02:56pm | 15/09/11

      What do you find funny about the facts?

    • Andrew says:

      07:20am | 15/09/11

      My parents love me but they wouldn’t want me to live with them because I’ve got my own place to live (which I rent) and they enjoy having their own space.

      I love people in Asia, but I don’t want them to live in Australia because they’ve got their own countries to live in and I enjoy having my own space.

      Anybody who isn’t an Australian citizen should be deported and immigration should be severely cut back.

      People who come here on boats should be put on planes and returned to their points of departure.  Word would soon spread that making the voyage to Australia is an exercise in futility and few people would attempt it.  Problem solved.  It’s really not that hard to protect our borders and it doesn’t have to cost hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars per year which currently gets paid into the bank accounts of private companies with government contracts.

      Sydney’s population increased by more than 35% from 2001 to 2011 (from 3.4 million to more than 4.6 million).  75% of this increase was due to immigration.  And what happened to Sydney house prices over the last ten years?  They absolutely ballooned to ridiculous levels due to increased demand from the increased population.  Who benefits from this?  It benefits the banks who earn more interest income on the mortgages they sell since people need to borrow higher amounts of money to purchase property in Sydney as the house prices increase.

    • Fiddler says:

      08:50am | 15/09/11

      Yes!!!!! I moved out of Sydney never to return due to how it has turned out. I could do nothing but shake my head at the stupidity of all those hot property type shows in the early 90’s boasting about how they re-painted the linen closet and did a bit of fung shwei (sp) and doubled the house value in six months thinking “And how will your kids be able to afford this”
      Shame, because before that, Sydney was a pretty good place. Now it is overpolluted, cramped, ridiculously expensive and full of smug wankers who due to when they were born and owned a house are now millionaires courtesy of those younger who are in debt up to their eyeballs.

    • Rose says:

      02:10pm | 15/09/11

      My parents love me too. I haven’t lived with them for over 20 years. The difference between my parents and yours seems to be that my parents love me enough that, if ever I needed to, I would always be able to live with them again. Thet would do that because that’s what good people do, they take care of others in need.

    • thatmosis says:

      07:20am | 15/09/11

      Your first sentence set the theme for the whole article, friends and “students”, those who think they know better than those that have lived through sucessive Labor Governments and seen the destruction wrought upon the Australian public by siad Governments. The only way that Gillrudd could win the next elextion is if she banned all those who thought about voting for the opposition and then won by two votes.  Lets have a close look at her record apart from the lies, failed policies and wasted billions, lost lives, lost homes, unemployment rises and closing businsses and extra taxes on nothing for nothing…........................?????.......................That was quick wasnt it and you have the gall to express the view that she could get re elected because some wet behind the ears students who probably still rely on their parents to pay for everything say so, it is to laugh. Ask them to come back in 10 years when they have some life experience and have actually had to live in the real world and ask them again about Gillrudd and the Labor party thats if they are aloowed to and not be censored by the thought police.

    • Barge says:

      07:23am | 15/09/11

      What a small circle of friends this man must have. You need to get out more.

    • Red says:

      08:03am | 15/09/11

      Yeah he needs to listen to Bolt, Mitchell, Jones, Akerman, et.al.,
      Besides the ABC are there any other centre or left of centre commentators on radio? I think we have developed in Australia a defacto Farx News “Fair and Balanced” situation where entire media operations have a common party line. Is it dangerous to have everybody thinking the same way and ridiculing or denying others ideas?

    • onlooker says:

      07:38am | 15/09/11

      I am not happy with Gillard, but I don’ like Tony Abbott at all, he is too aggressive and mean spirited for me. My elderly neighbor said to me..if that man gets elected he will target us next. And to be honest with you I feel he is right. Petty spiteful things like Margaret Olley’s funeral, disgusted more people than The Liberal Party has realized. Margaret was a great and talented Australian and deserved that last honor at her funeral.

    • engineer says:

      08:08am | 15/09/11

      No.

      You should climb out of your arts department, find the library (or a connected computer) and look at some hard data. I know that’s confronting for a humanities type.

      Government is won and lost by swing voters in marginal seats. These people typically profile as mortgage belt middle class aspirational. The rest of us don’t count. You and yours vote socialist, I vote independant (or have, I now swing coalition), older voters vote conservative, but the real issue is we vote the same way and thus don’t matter.

      This is the fundamental political reality of Australia. If your a political organisation trying to get elected or re-elected the ONLY people who matter are the few hundred thousand swing voters in marginal seats. You ain’t them, you don’t matter. All the whining, the analysis, speculation and posturing don’t matter.

      The people who count don’t pay attention to politics until the week before the election, when they tune in to see who’s splashing the most pork around and who is likely to keep their mortgage payments low and their jobs secure. That’s all that matters.

      That’s how Bligh won the last queensland state election. She said nothing until the last week, letting Springborg burn himself out. When teh people who mattered finally started listening she came out with a load of promises and smear, he had no time to react, done deal.

      I doubt Gillard could pull off a similar trick. First I don’t think she’s very good, second she doesn’t have complete control of when the election will be held. Finally, and most important, there are some issues that cut through with the swingers mid term that can continue to resonate on election day. I think she has more than one of those millstones hanging around her neck.

      I don’t think the next election is going to be the route people think it will, but I don’t think Labour can win no matter what they do.

    • mick says:

      08:09am | 15/09/11

      A good post.  The trouble is that ordinary Australians have been conned and spooked by Tony Abbott’s untruthful scare campaign.  The Liberal party has indeed entered an intellectual dead zone and the silencing of Malcolm Turnbull (the only statesman in the pack) paints a picture of a once great party which now needs to run a dishonest fear campaign to gain acceptance. 
      Whether Gillard can win the next election is debatable.  The fact that the Australian public is so short sighted and so easily led will play out in time.  One thing is for sure though and that is that if Abbott wins the next election we will all pay dearly as taxes will rise to pay for Abbott’s promises of returning the mining tax to wealthy miners, abolishing the carbon tax and returning the tax threshhold to where is was so that the poor pay a lot more in taxes again.  This is the legacy which Australians need to think about carefully lest the electorate digs its own grave through ignorance and lack of intellectual process.  So what do we want?  A government which is owned by wealthy business or a government owned by the people?

    • Shane says:

      08:45am | 15/09/11

      Can you give us a list of what Tony Abbott Has said that’s untruthful?

      Make sure it’s an objective list too, not some hateful leftie crap that’s full of ideology.

    • Luke4 says:

      08:58am | 15/09/11

      It’s terrible isn’t it when things just aren’t going the ALP/Greens way.
      Abbott should stop listening to the electorate and agree with Gillard and help her out.
      Abbott is sooooo scary and mean. Not fair! sook soook.
      Someone pass Mick a tissue.

    • Anna C says:

      09:20am | 15/09/11

      “The trouble is that ordinary Australians have been conned and spooked by Tony Abbott’s untruthful scare campaign.”

      Mick, please don’t insult our intelligence. We are adults and capable of making up our own minds thank you very much.

    • Bruce says:

      09:57am | 15/09/11

      Shane: Tony Abbott told us about lies, Juliar does Lie. ‘There will be no carbon tax under a government I leed’ !!. Also, I note the article questioning Abbotts economic understanding. I think the writer should recheck Tony Abbotts qualifications. Makes our sad federal government look pretty ordinary. Not a professional money manager amonst them.

    • Jen says:

      10:11am | 15/09/11

      @Shane

      “Tony Abbott seems to lack any understanding of basic economics, and according to his own words, we should not really believe a word he says.”

      How can a list, as you call it, be put together when Abbott openly admitted to Kerry O’Brien on the 7.30 Report prior to the election that he lies and admits to varying degrees of lying and fudging to suit whatever situation he is in.

      So many people seem to have conveniently forgotten this point.

    • Brenda says:

      08:25am | 15/09/11

      Could Gillard win the next election? 
      With Gillard’s transparent loathing of media reporting on her habitually incompetent policy debacles, and the entirely unnecessary inquiry into Australian media, she has a snowball in hell’s chance of being re-elected.
      Her transparently self-interested inquiry into Australian media stinks of Green control, and is a tactic to end public criticisms of political stuff-ups (NBN, pink batts, carbon tax, people smuggling, Citizens’ Assembly, the list is endless) and ugly internal Labor/union machinations.
      I hear that nightmarish droning Gillard voice,  “There will be no more media crap under the government I lead”. 
      The ‘media crap’ that is reflecting public dissatisfaction with Gillard and her equally incompetent sidekicks no doubt includes Labor’s loathing of online commenters. At long last ordinary readership has been given an opportunity to speak out without fear of retribution on how they feel about the actions of those who sucked up and even lied so we would gift them our vote. We can voice discontent that we gave them highly paid jobs, then watch them piddle away our money, enjoy their perks and fat pension entitlements. Adding insult to injury, constituents are then contemptuously discarded and double-crossed the minute some of these arrogant, contemptible people are safely ensconced in parliament.
      The media inquiry is about stopping unwanted yet mostly justified criticism. It is about controlling free speech. It is a desperate Gillard acting on fake logic.
      No. Gillard cannot be re-elected. It is more likely she will be dumped by those who put into her eager hands the sharp, glistening knife plunged into spendthrift Rudd, and the media inquiry will be one more nail in her political coffin.

    • Max Power says:

      10:08am | 15/09/11

      Hence why Gillard, conroy and the Labor party want an internet filter. The Govt control the NBN, the Govt will force the closure of all competitors networks and force them on to the NBN, force the internet censor on the NBN, force data collection of all websites vistied and emails sent on the NBN. All of this is Labor policy. There you have it, the Govt can control the information flow in this country, and monitor every person who uses the net

    • Miranda says:

      08:27am | 15/09/11

      Keep wishing and hoping! The author of the article have completely forgotten that the vast majority have already made up their minds - they have stopped listening to Gillard and her government and are waiting for Elections to give the Labor party a walloping they have never seen before. Dream on!

    • Holly says:

      08:33am | 15/09/11

      Even the UNHCR regional representative has said that the future solution to the asylum seeker issue lies in a south east asian regional solution and that Nauru could not provide anything but short term parking space.  He gave a very measured account of the negotiations between the Gillard government and Malaysia but I only heard his comments once on radio and they were not taken up by the print media (surprise ).  This is an example of why as citizens we remain so badly informed. 

      I just hope that within the next two years people will come to realise the powerful forces which are behind the push to oust the Labor government.  If workers for one minute think the Coalition has their interests at heart please take your blinkers off.  Big money (mining etc) do not want a strong leader who is prepared to stand up to them.  Already interest groups are clamouring for a return of work choices and all the misery that a reduction in working conditions will bring to the average worker (and I’m talking of the average worker here i.e. the 60% of us who live on $40,000 - 50,000 or less). The powers that be would love a strong leader who is not afraid of big reforms, to be replaced with one who bends to wind and would be happy to be their lackey while screwing us of more of the country’s wealth.

    • Anna C says:

      09:16am | 15/09/11

      James, I think you are delusional if you believe that. You definitely should see your GP right away.

      May be it’s just me but I don’t see how opening our doors to countless boat arrivals, introducing a new tax, and allowing gay marriage is possibly a vote winner with the Australian people?
       

      Also the problem with onshore processing is that while according to the latest polls most Australians want asylum seekers processed here because it is cheaper and more humane; they are also concerned that by doing so it would lead to an influx of boat arrivals which they don’t want. Bit of a conundrum that one.

    • RJB says:

      09:16am | 15/09/11

      Well now I’m confused, I also conducted a survey just like James did, at last Sunday’s BBQ with my friends. When I asked “if an election was held tomorrow, would you vote for Gillard?” I was met with a resounding NO! Amazing result when you consider the outcome James experienced.

    • Fred says:

      09:38am | 15/09/11

      Imagine an “intellectual” talking to other “intellectuals” and uni students and finding them to be predisposed to vote for the left. Stop the presses, hold the phones, insert other appropriate witticisms here.

      Truly amazing and persuasive polling.

      Let us move on from that though.

      I really have just one question to ask and I do so with sobriety and a true desire to know. The author makes these claims which sounds so elegant in their simplicity;

      “The second would be to explain the carbon tax and how it can be a small step towards dealing with climate change”

      I would love it explained how the carbon tax is even a small step in dealing with climate change. I fully understand the zealots and believers cannot answer how our efforts will reduce global temperatures but this claim needs more explanation.

      What does “dealing with” mean? Is pure tokenism dealing with things?.

      Extraordinary

      ” also help promote the Australian manufacturing sector.”

      We will get back to this later.

      ” Those who argue that a carbon tax will kill manufacturing are arguing for the status quo - and we all know how that is panning out.”

      Interesting. And disingenuous. Please explain how imposing increased input costs on manufacturing actually helps it when it is struggling as you admit.

      this makes no sense whatsoever.

      ” The carbon tax can redirect investment towards high-end renewable manufacturing.”

      This is the most important of all the claims and what marks this whole article as a disgrace.

      What is “high-end renewable manufacturing”?

      What does that even mean?

      Where are the examples of this anywhere in the world?

      What will be produced?

      To whom do we sell it?

      Who are the competitors?

      The whole premise is suspect.

      Labor boosters are once again found out as having nothing more than a soundbite and spin.

      There is no substance here.

      There is only spin, fanciful pronouncements with no basis, green voyeurism and fantasy and irrational argument.

      “High-end renewable manufacturing”. A meaningless, undefined wet dream of the chattering classes. Just like a Gillard win in 2013.

      I look forward to the author answering any of the above.

    • Dan says:

      09:46am | 15/09/11

      I think James is probably a little optimistic, but the points still hold a lot of value.

      They’re not going to win any votes running to the right on asylum seekers. Recent polling indicates on-shore processing, and a humane approach, are the most popular options. Both Nauru and Malaysia are viewed at home and abroad as heartless and cruel.

      Gay marriage is the ace up Labor’s sleeve. The idea has huge support among voters, and will split the Opposition right down the middle. It’s concrete policy, it’s genuinely progressive, and will win a lot of votes.

      As for the carbon price, it’s a little out of Labor’s hands. If the economy improves after July 2012, it’ll look like vindication for the Government. Any downturn - regardless of whether it’s actually due to the price or not - will immediately be thrown right back at them. It’s a game of wait and see.

      Those above who argue the views of James and his mates on Tony Abbott are just those of radical lefties, are misinformed. All the polling indicates Abbott’s approval ratings are rock-bottom. There’s no enthusiasm for a Coalition Government - the election is Labor’s to lose.

    • RyaN says:

      10:05am | 15/09/11

      Hey look over there, its a unicorn! You and your mates need to get off the drugs.

    • marley says:

      10:05am | 15/09/11

      On a side note, I guess academic standards just aren’t what they used to be.  The author mutters about Cory Bernardi thinking that hanging out with xenophobes is “the solution to ethnic tensions rather than realising it exasperates them.”  The word is “exacerbate.”  Argghhh.

    • CJS says:

      10:06am | 15/09/11

      I thought Rudd was going to win the next election…

    • cynic says:

      10:10am | 15/09/11

      Ha, ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!! That is the best and funniest thing i read today.

    • Garry says:

      10:16am | 15/09/11

      Dan says - “All the polling indicates Abbott’s approval ratings are rock-bottom. There’s no enthusiasm for a Coalition Government - the election is Labor’s to lose”.
      What planet are you on?

    • Dan says:

      10:33am | 15/09/11

      Garry,

      Planet Earth. Of course Gillard’s approval ratings are even lower - my point is that’s not translating into support for the Coalition.

      The Government is on the nose, that much is obvious. But personal support for Tony Abbott isn’t much higher. The Coalition is the lesser of two evils.

      The Coalition won’t win the next election, Labor will lose it.

    • Angela says:

      10:50am | 15/09/11

      The electorate don’t vote for Gillard or Abbott, they vote for the Party they prefer and their local member.
      And the 2P/P is? And the ALP Primary vote is? And the Coalition Primary vote is?

    • Dan says:

      12:04pm | 15/09/11

      Angela, in a perfect world that would be true. But it’s less and less the case.

      Both parties have adopted a very Presidential style - with the leader the key spokesman on just about everything.

      Regional areas still have very strong local members, with tough local campaigns. That’s what most independents have regional seats - it’s where local issues matter most.

      But the vast majority of seats are from city areas - where a local member is little more than name on a page. It’s why polling booths are decked out with photos of party leaders - and why we have personal approval ratings at all.

    • Knemon says:

      10:38am | 15/09/11

      Great article James.

      “Tony Abbott seems to lack any understanding of basic economics, and according to his own words, we should not really believe a word he says”

      Ain’t that the truth James?

      Don’t worry about what the polls are saying, come Election Day when people have to mark their ballot papers, that’s when Tony Abbott is in trouble. I’ve said it from day one; Tony Abbott is the best asset that the ALP has. When push comes to shove the voters of Australia will be unable to bear the thought of Tony Abbott being their Prime Minister, the keys to the lodge are a long long way off yet Tony.

    • Pedro says:

      11:44am | 15/09/11

      Yeh everyone is going to vote Gillard back in! ROFL

    • Richard the Lionheart says:

      11:29am | 15/09/11

      I thought Tony Abbot had an economics degree from Oxford? I also believe in photosynthesis which is the basis of the coalitions climate policy. I am going to short-sell carbon credits when they come onto the market. I expect the price to drop from Gillard’s $23 to $9. Oh how I love Labor’s bungles. One can make so much money from them. I also plan to short-sell NBN, and I don’t even have a degree.

    • Leigh says:

      11:37am | 15/09/11

      Of course a group of students and people who think it is “… about time someone demanded that Australia meet its international obligations and stop dumping them onto other countries.’’ is not going to vote for Tony Abbott (even though only those in Abbott’s electorate will actually vote, or not, for him). It follows then, that the same people will not vote for the Government either, because it now prefers other countries to take illegal entrants.

      And, of course again, if we “look at the Abbott Opposition, there is little to feel confident about.” But Arvanitakis, with his infinite wisdom and years of experience, tell us “...an Opposition is only as good as a government allows it to be.”

      Arvanitakis also rubbishes Abbott’s lack of “understanding of basic economics”, totally overlooking Government economic illiteracy, with the fiasco of pink batts, school halls the size of toilets and the lack of a business plan for the NBN coming immediately to mind.

      The rant against the Opposition goes on as per the Marxist text books, but totally overlooks that fact that, even if the Opposition is the dud it is claimed to be, Australia has been harmed not by the dreadful Abbott and his Opposition, but by the Gillard/Brown Government. The Opposition hasn’t made the poor economic decisions that have seen billions of dollars wasted; threatened Australian industry with highest carbon dioxide tax on earth, nor has it dismantled our border protection policies.

      And, still, Arvanitakis thinks the totally dysfunctional Government can be returned, in complete opposition to what nearly 80% of polling tells us about the likely outcome of the next election. This enthusiasm can come only from blind faith in Left-wing dogma.

      Given voters’ cynical attitude to all politicians, the Coalition will be put into Government as the lesser of two evils. The evidence against the Gillard/Brown Government is in; the Opposition will be given the chance return Australia to political and economic sense.

    • GC Dude says:

      11:53am | 15/09/11

      Where are all these left leaning lunatics that write for the Punch coming from? This used to be a fairly balanced website but recently I’ve noticed a lot of this sort of rubbish being shoved down our throats. Seriously, is this the best that can be put towards a discussion on our country’s future? Half truths and personal opinions?

    • Coop says:

      01:12pm | 15/09/11

      Surely they should know that she’s not married to Bob Brown?

    • ausspud says:

      01:48pm | 15/09/11

      Its comedy hour on the punch.
      So your whole refugee policy is based on a few multicultural loving yuppies.
      Rip it up & will take who we want.
      Regarding this so called global warming/ climate change/ ?, Everyone in this country can drop dead next week & it wont make a difference. And please dont give me this doing our bit crap.
      And as for Gay Marriage,the less said the better.
      Hopefully your masters at Get up/greens will cease to exist after the next election.

    • gnome says:

      02:24pm | 15/09/11

      If you polled the population, 28% would be in favour of catching herpes, and if you only mixed with those, you would think the polls are wrong and everyone really wants to catch herpes.

      What part of 28% is so hard to understand?

    • The Labor Party- Utopia Branch says:

      03:12pm | 15/09/11

      Thank you so much. We don’t know why we didn’t think of it. We’ll get cracking on it straight away.
      PS Would you like to be Governor General when that blonde sheila finishes?

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      04:09pm | 15/09/11

      http://www.rferl.org/content/afghanistan_children_being_sold_into_forced_labor/24326343.html


      This is the Afghanistan we claim to be helping.  Children sold as slaves and tortured as child brides, boy prostitutes and other crimes.

      Yet when parents send them to the west to save their lives and they reach Australia they have a guardian who jails them and now a bitch who wants to send them away in absolute disregard for their lives and rights.

      We have our government applauding the criminal Sri Lankan government for arresting refugees before they can be safe.

      It is the convention for the protection of refugees, not the convention for the deterrence and murder of refugees.

      Gillard though is a loser, she always has been on this issue.

      She even told a young homosexual iranian man once that being stoned to death was not persecution so he was not a refugee.

      He is now still here after 7 years in detention and is barely functioning, as are many of the refugees we incarcerate.

      For all the whining about off shore though, there is no such thing.

      Gillard and the media are so stupid they think the voluntary humanitarian program is an obligation and the obligation to those here is a handbag to be changed.

      Why the morons didn’t simply announce an increase in the off shore humanitarian intake instead of this blather about buying and selling humans is beyond belief.

      It’s a pity they didn’t repeal the permanent detention under Al Kateb though because asylum seekers who come by sea to Australia are the only people in the democratic world who have no legal right to appeal against arbitrary detention.

      Even murderers have that right, but not 14 year old kids from Afghanistan or a baby born in our refugee prisons.

      And all this over just 7.5 refugees on average per day out of 12,000 daily arrivals.

      Yesterday Gilard hit the bottom on cruelty by demanding the law be changed so she can persecute innocent kids even more.

      But the secret is this - only 2300 people have ever been assessed on Christmas Island and over 600 people per month are being granted status and released without anyone bothering to notice.

    • Sentient Being says:

      05:59pm | 15/09/11

      Just a crazy thought here Marilyn but if Afghanistan is such a terrible place as you make it out to be with…  “Children sold as slaves and tortured as child brides” etc, isn’t that a very convincing argument indeed to stay the course and defeat the Taliban?

    • WA Redneck says:

      06:33pm | 15/09/11

      What is this constant obsession with Abbot having no policy.  No opposition leader, from either side,  is going to release policies 2 years from an election. 

      If this govt spent more time selling their own policies and less time criticising Abbot they wouldn’t be in this mess.  Gillard mentioned Abbott no less than 24 times in a 6 min presser earlier this week.  I don’t remember John Howard banging on about Beazley like that.

      And they call the libs negative! Oh the hypocritial irony

 

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