It must be Christmas for politics right now because the ghosts of prime ministers past are out in force. 

Bob Hawke and John Howard in Sydney last night. Pic: Noel Kessel

Yesterday, Bob Hawke and John Howard tussled over the future of the global economy, China and federalism at the Oxford Business Alumni Forum in their first ever head-to-head debate.

Away from the lectern, last week Hawke backed Anna Bligh over daylight saving in southeastern Queensland and called on Australia to rethink its position on nuclear waste.

Malcolm Fraser took to the opinion pages to express his distaste for both parties’ treatment of asylum seekers, after recently calling on the government to expel Israeli diplomats from Australia.

Paul Keating, never far from a Dictaphone, has recently predicated another global recession, criticized “gormless” Sydney apartment blocks and dismissed Tony Abbott as a “resident nutter” and “intellectual nobody”. 

Not to be outdone, last month Howard took pot shots at Kevin Rudd and his predecessors. “Even comparing him [Rudd] with Hawke and Keating in their first couple of years, they’d done a lot more,” Howard said.

In a separate interview, Howard has also accused Rudd of reaching “new heights of political mendacity”, which according to the dictionary, is an ecclesiastical Latin term for “untruthfulness”.

At first glance, this gaggle of mouthy ex-PMs might seem like we have a problem. Unlike America, where former Presidents are treated like demigods, there is no official place for ex-PMs in Australian society.

We accept that once they’re evicted from The Lodge, old PMs get their super cheque and an office somewhere. Maybe they’ll sit on a board, do an honorary university gig or write their memoirs. But beyond that, the job description is vague.

There’s a certain feeling that once you’ve had you’re turn at the steering wheel of the nation, you should skulk-off quietly. No one likes a backseat driver in politics, right?

Commenting on a recent report about Keating’s remarks, Luke of Adelaide asked: “Why can’t old Prime Ministers just fade away gracefully [?] They had their time, yet they seem to feel that we still value their opinions.”

There’s also a sense that chatty ex-PMs might be bad for democracy. If they can’t let go, isn’t that like an ongoing attempted coup? Or as Big Al of Doncaster commented on a Herald Sun report, “Howard you got thrown out of your own seat, go back to reading stuff about Bradman and leave us in peace.”

Either way, it’s the sort of thing that gets people riled up at dinner parties. Annoyances that have lain dormant for years can erupt like Icelandic volcanoes before the entrée is over. That Hawke! I always hated what he tried to do to beer drinking, how dare he offer informed opinion about the economy! 

Current leadership is similarly dismissive. If old nemeses rise from the grave, they are brushed aside as crazy or inappropriate. Keating might have called his successor a “desiccated coconut” but Howard turned the other cheek, vowing (unsuccessfully) to stay out of debates when he got the boot. Abbott and Rudd have also ignored recent commentary about them.

But while it’s understandable that current leaders fail to embrace former foes, the rest of us shouldn’t sell our ghosts so short. 

Political discussion on the big issues is notoriously uninformed - just look at the meringue that is currently passing for the healthcare debate. We simply can’t afford to knock back opinion from former leaders who have vast experience (if not a perfect track record) across most policy issues going. 

Indeed the value of an ex-PM comes just as much from their current status as their old job. People in positions of power and influence rarely say what they really think. But ex-PMs are no longer bound by the shackles of officialdom and constant pressure of appealing to the electorate.

When asked before Wednesday’s debate if he was out for vengeance over Hawke, Howard said “no, no, no, I’m over all of that”.

Ex-PMs have also had time to mellow out. Fraser, for example, has used life away from high office to come out as a social conscience for the country. As Michael McCallum posted in response to Fraser’s Sydney Morning Herald piece on asylum seekers, “I applaud Malcolm Fraser for saying what our political leaders lack the courage to address.”

Sure, ex-PMs might have an “agenda” - to push an issue, rewrite their own record or help their colleagues - but to see that as a red card naïvely assumes everybody else on the scene is agenda-free.

More than anything, like all exes, despite the baggage and history with old PMs, we’ve been through too much together to discount them full stop. We know each other too well. 

Their forays into public debate are like little blasts from the past: sometimes confronting, sometimes infuriating, sometimes nostalgic - but always interesting. 

So don’t hold back, ghosts of prime ministers past. Your country still needs you.

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    • iansand says:

      12:27pm | 22/04/10

      Appoint them to the National Innovative Directions Future Planning Wise Man Consultative Council, or something pompous with a good acronym.  Make them meet often.  Lock the door, and quietly sneak away.  You know it makes sense.

    • Zeta says:

      12:29pm | 22/04/10

      I dig our ex-Prime Ministers. They’re always cooler when they’re not in office.

      Kind of like how your ex-girlfriend becomes slightly more attractive a few months after you kicked her out of your house because she was incompetent, or because she tried to make you sign an unfair workplace contract, or led you into a recession. Because your new girlfriend just doesn’t seem to do anything. But you give her time because she’s new, but your ex-girlfriend keeps ringing her up and saying ‘she looks like a coconut’.

      And then a few years after that, you catch up again at a Press Club address and you’re all like - ‘hey, good to see you’re doing well’ and she’s all like ‘we had our differences, but we also had some great times’ and then you have a steamy affair where you ask her to chair one of your really important boards but have second thoughts as soon as The Australian gets wind of it.

      And then you remember that while there were some good times, like when she gave the East Timorese their independence, or when she gave everyone the day off after the America’s Cup - there were some bad times too, like when she used F1-11 fighter jets to carry out illegal surveilance on Australian citizens legally protesting that dam she wanted to build.

      Miss u x-pms. H8 u x-pms.

    • Macca says:

      01:59pm | 22/04/10

      *Slow Congratulatory Clap*

    • Tom says:

      02:32pm | 22/04/10

      thank you, that made my day!

    • Notanexpertbut says:

      07:48am | 23/04/10

      Best Description EVER !! (Think Comic book guy when saying that)

    • bella starkey says:

      12:29pm | 22/04/10

      Mendacity! i like that word. I’m going to accuse someone of it today.

    • A Bob says:

      12:30pm | 22/04/10

      Poor old John looks like Bob gave him a quck wedgie just before the photo was taken.

    • Seano says:

      01:43pm | 22/04/10

      And he’s enjoying it…

    • PatC says:

      02:05pm | 22/04/10

      Actually, Bob also looks like he just gave poor old John a quick wedgie.

    • Phil says:

      06:54pm | 22/04/10

      Bob Thats gold. I am an admirer of Howard but that is very funny

    • shabangabang says:

      12:47pm | 22/04/10

      What the hell is John Coward sitting around shooting his mouth off for. Shouldn’t he be in Sri Lanka promising not to put their cricket team behind razor wire when they tour Australia.

    • AdamC says:

      01:12pm | 22/04/10

      Wow, I see that the end of Howard’s premiership hasn’t witnessed the disappearance of the haters. Oddly incongruous.

    • Rover says:

      01:19pm | 22/04/10

      Haters are tedious, whether it’s John Coward or Krudd that they’re slagging.

    • Ben81 says:

      01:30pm | 22/04/10

      AdamC, as Howard said himself - “I’m glad to know that after two years I still bug the Labor Party.”

      Not much more needs to be said!

    • Ben81 says:

      02:02pm | 22/04/10

      Oh and that reminds me, what’s Hawke doing hanging around with that stripper from his birthday bash, isn’t he getting a bit old for that kind of thing?

    • Andy D says:

      12:55pm | 22/04/10

      We let over-the-hill sportspeople, sanctimonious ex-journalists and other pseudo-celebrities become politicians for no other reason than they have a recognisable name. Hell, the biggest wanker of the 80s Australian music scene (which is no mean feat, the 80s Australian music scene was like a club for wankers) is now a government minister! Given the current crop of leaders we have, I have no problem at all with ex-PMs piping up occasionally, though I would be more inclined to pay attention to John Howard, Paul Keating and Bob Hawke over any of the drivel that regularly trickles out of Malcolm Fraser’s orifice.

    • Brian Connor says:

      01:03pm | 22/04/10

      Keating…...calls Abbott an “intellectual nobody”??

      One was a Rhodes Scholar, the other struggled to finish Bankstown High…...looking in a few architecture books and getting a slimy tailor doesn’t give you credibility Paul…....

      BTW good photo, Howard presided over Australia’s best days in recent memory and Hawke knew regulation and unionism have no credibility in this generation. Good luck to them in their twilight years and thanks for your service to Australia.

    • Wombat says:

      02:15pm | 22/04/10

      Keating went to De La Salle Bankstown (same class as my uncle).

      Abbott went to St. Ignatius College.

      The two schools were at opposite ends of the Catholic school fee spectrum and that might partially explain Keating’s desire to have a go at Abbott in this way.

      Then again, maybe Keating thinks that Abbott’s apparent lack of discipline on policy is evidence that a good education does not necessarily make someone a good politician.

    • iansand says:

      02:42pm | 22/04/10

      Brian Connor - How many Rhodes Scholars have you met?  I know a couple I would not let out on the street without a minder and a couple of bucks tied into the corner of a handkerchief.  Very smart, but not entirely connected to the world the rest of us live in.

    • Andy says:

      03:06pm | 22/04/10

      @iansand, you are quite right. In fact Bob Hawke springs to mind as an example of a Rhodes scholar not entirely connected to reality, though he does have the dual excuses of age and an absolute fruitcake of a wife to fall back on.

    • bella starkey says:

      03:16pm | 22/04/10

      if you look at what is required for becoming a rhodes scholar, it isn’t that based in acedemics. I think you need to have 1st class honours but it’s more about being a tops citizen, you know, community work, duke of ed, sporting commitments etc.

      “The selection criteria, as found in the Will of Cecil Rhodes in 1902, govern selection across all Rhodes constituencies.  They are:

      •literary and scholastic attainments
      •energy to use one’s talents to the full
      •truth, courage, devotion to duty, sympathy for and protection of the weak, kindliness, unselfishness and fellowship
      •moral force of character and instincts to lead, and to take an interest in one’s fellow beings.”

    • Jack says:

      04:19pm | 22/04/10

      Wombat…......hook, line and sinker…..took the bait.

      Read “Battlelines” my friend and you discover someone with a ideas and convictions - what a good education can do for you…...something a slimy tailor and complicit media can not give you.

    • Brian Connor says:

      04:22pm | 22/04/10

      Iansand

      About 5 (including Abbott and Hawke).

    • Wombat says:

      08:29pm | 22/04/10

      Jack

      What bait was that? Was it the bit about Keating attending Bankstown High? I guess I am a sucker for the bait of a basic falsehood.

      Anyway, let’s move on from the lies - to the prejudice. I think that we are all prepared to allow for some level of bigotry amongst Liberals - but against tailors? Or is it just this individual tailor that you think is “slimy”? It’s a mystery, but then so are Tony Abbott’s policies.

      Battlelines… I nearly had to google it. I’m probably more likely to read Battlefield Earth. Or the Bible. When it comes to books by religious nutters I’m spoiled for choice.

      Jack, some time after the next election you are going to realise that you are one of the few who will ever read Tony’s book. Most Australian voters will rely on Tony’s thought bubbles for an indication of what bizarre ideas are bouncing around in his head.

      Keep the book, though. It’ll make a great paperweight.

    • Super D says:

      01:14pm | 22/04/10

      I’d take the opinions of an ex PM over has beens like Germaine Greer or Mike Carlton any day.  Now that he’s gone from politics even Mark Latham is starting to sound like a reasonable bloke and I can’t help but wonder how NSW got where it did based on Michael Costa’s post politics commentary…

    • Anti Major Mistake Man. says:

      02:22pm | 22/04/10

      @ Super D, now your talking, Germaine should be extradited from dear old blightey & stand trial for her crimes, she & her “sistas in da hood” have been indirectly, responsible for the abuse & neglect of several generations of children.

      What was it Paul Keating said about scumbags?

      Regards formersnag & swinging voter.

    • Old Cobber says:

      07:47pm | 22/04/10

      Spot-on Starkers;  Cecil Rhodes was the founder of Rhodesia, a rich and bountiful country known as ’ The Jewel of Africa” .    ToDay it is a ruinous desolate wasteland ruled by thugs and presided over by an unspeakable madman .
      Guess what? Who stepped up to the plate and endorsed this mass murderer?  Malcom Frazer!

    • jamie says:

      01:57pm | 22/04/10

      I’d take Hawke and Howard over Rudd and Abbott any day.

    • Adam MacLeod says:

      04:47pm | 22/04/10

      Word.  I’d also take Keating and Costello.

    • terence obeirne says:

      03:32pm | 22/04/10

      Fair Dinkum!  What a wank these media tarts are as they sadly try to strut the boards again.  Perhaps it’s their guilt of recieving obscene largesse connived with mates inGooneyland [ Fed Parliament ]  or reporation for mismamagement in the same place, either way they should gracefully retire or do some voluntary work in aged care facilities.
      Oh, a couple of pigs just flew by my window.    Old Cobber

    • acotrel says:

      06:33pm | 22/04/10

      Howard has also accused Rudd of reaching “new heights of political mendacity”, which according to the dictionary, is an ecclesiastical Latin term for “untruthfulness”.

      What a hypocrite !

    • freeman says:

      08:56pm | 22/04/10

      actorel.
      have you got an argument to make with that slur?
      no matter what you think of Howard, he was a no bulls@#$ kind of prime minister with balls.
      The federal labor party and the nsw labor party are a new breed of rehearsed, predictable hollowmen who make knee-jerk reactions to the latest poll. Labor now is just a P.R machine who specialise in telling us everything is allright when it’s not

    • John A Neve says:

      06:05am | 23/04/10

      Freeman,

      Actorel isn’t often correct, but he is in this case.  Howard hated the truth,
      he did all he could to manipulate the facts. His only claim to fame is the length of time he was PM, which does not say much for his oppostion.

    • acotrel says:

      10:54am | 23/04/10

      A friend of mine once said ‘Howard must go home every night and roar with laughter at the way the public has swallowed his bull’.  He was a good conman, in all those years he really only had one fail - ‘kids overboard’.  Of course the voters weren’t too impressed when he used the aborigines as election fodder!  But as far as ‘mendacity’ goes Howard is an expert!

    • Chase says:

      07:39pm | 22/04/10

      I love our ex-pms, they’re so interesting.

      It’s kinda sad that if you asked who the last three Prime Ministers were almost none of my peers would know.

    • proud aussie says:

      09:40pm | 22/04/10

      John Howard is STILL highly respected and treated more warmly wherever he goes, than Kevin Rudd ever wll be. 
      Australia misses John Howard more as the days drag on painfully,  under the present pretend Govt.

    • stephen says:

      02:41am | 23/04/10

      Hawkey should grow his hair, wear his floral boardies and take up guitar.
      He’s kinda cool.
      The other blokes wondering where that other hand is.
      (Bob’s, that is ).

    • JennyF says:

      05:17am | 23/04/10

      Do you think reporters don’t ring around old PM’s for their comments?

    • Jimbo says:

      11:48am | 23/04/10

      I enjoyed seeing them together, I just love Hawkie and I can’t stand Howard. Hawkie is getting old but hes as sharp as a tack and I hope the old bugga lives forever, hes just a delight.

    • cam says:

      02:33am | 27/04/10

      Have never been bored reading Judith’s prose and this is another great example of her work. Nice topic, well written and has inspired debate from readers. Good job.

 

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