Frequent fatties should fork out for their flying

Fatist! says:

07:22am | 06/04/11

And it’s my right to tell the fat one’s to eff off and have a cardiac somewhere else.

Mahhrat says:

07:47am | 06/04/11

*shrugs*

Actually, PJ, on a purely logical basis the argument is difficult to argue against, at least in as far as people like me, who simply eat too much pizza, are treated where weight becomes an issue.

Of course, if we accept that, then I demand the same consideration for sitting next to:

- People in wheelchairs who were put there through their own misadventure - I mean, their fault, right?  Why do they get to board first?

- The tall, because hey, they could just cut off the legs at the knees, right?  It’s not my fault they’re 7 feet high, why should I have his legs in my space?

- The young, because stuff sitting next to anyone who might make a noise!

- The old, because peee-uuu, grandma smell!!

- The rich, because they’re so up themselves and I shouldn’t have to put up with their smug superiority.

- Bogans, refer kids.

- You, refer rich.

If we’re going to become a society of discriminators, let’s at least do it properly, eh?

Mahhrat says:

07:47am | 06/04/11

*shrugs*

Actually, PJ, on a purely logical basis the argument is difficult to argue against, at least in as far as people like me, who simply eat too much pizza, are treated where weight becomes an issue.

Of course, if we accept that, then I demand the same consideration for sitting next to:

- People in wheelchairs who were put there through their own misadventure - I mean, their fault, right?  Why do they get to board first?

- The tall, because hey, they could just cut off the legs at the knees, right?  It’s not my fault they’re 7 feet high, why should I have his legs in my space?

- The young, because stuff sitting next to anyone who might make a noise!

- The old, because peee-uuu, grandma smell!!

- The rich, because they’re so up themselves and I shouldn’t have to put up with their smug superiority.

- Bogans, refer kids.

- You, refer rich.

If we’re going to become a society of discriminators, let’s at least do it properly, eh?

Phil says:

08:11am | 06/04/11

Its not even about the blubber spill over, its also the safety side of things.
How are you going to get out in a hurry if the fatties are in they way blocking an isle or trapping passengers in their seats if they are on the isle? just picture it Mr or Mrs (or should that be miss) fatties out of breath just by standing up let alone trying to get off the plane in an emergency while you are stuck behind them?

Seriously though look at the image in the article and think WTF am i going to do if im stuck next to this guy and there is a fire or reason to get off the plane in a hurry (like realizing you are on a Jetstar or Qantas flight lol)

Lily J says:

08:41am | 06/04/11

@Mahhrat,
You forgot people who smell funny, people with above average lung capacity (it’s my air too you greedy bastards) and people who fidget.

PJ says:

08:42am | 06/04/11

Glad you accept it’s unreasonable of you to interfere in others personal space because you are obese Mahhrat. Now do something about it.  I doubt you will though.

Tubesteak says:

08:49am | 06/04/11

Fatties shouold be made to pay more for just about everything.

More for health funding or trips to the doctor to cover their exacerbated cost to the health system. More for public transport for the same reason outlined in the article. More for insurance because they’ll generally cost more (more accidents). More for movie tickets for the same reason outlined in the article.

The list could go on.

Now if we could just find a way of making stupid people compensate us for the results of their stupidity (eg poor choices at the ballot box; making politicians pander to them meaning we get bad policies) the world would be on track to being a better place.

michael j says:

09:06am | 06/04/11

As someone who is morbidly obese due to a variety of things like a broken neck,back injuries ,carpel tunnel and a early onset of old age,means it’s not practical to run 5 ks a day or spend 2/3 hrs a day in the weight room
while i try to walk the family neo-mastiff for a daily walk its not quite the same as a workout,,as a member of the 1/3 rd of Australian’s living below the poverty line i don’t get to do regular international figghts much,( one or two would be nice before death sets in ) but when travelling instate many years to visit the ex inlaws i would frequently have to get out
of my seat and move around because at time’s being not able to move makes the pain quite unbearable,some times people seemed annoyed by this but as you say they can ‘eff off’ ,,,but should fat people pay by weight,?it will come in of course, society in the age of ‘PC’ is running out of people to discriminate against ,i don’t feel good about my situation anymore than i like being told i am a fat idiot on the tv every night ,,
PS i am not that bigger then the bloke in the picture,,,and if Mr England
wants to take his push-bike with him on the plane ? it seems a bit odd
if you can afford to go globe-trotting all the time wouldn’t you just buy one when you got to where you were going??

Families friendly flying says:

09:11am | 06/04/11

Mahhrat - his plan is a huge bonus for families.

Airlines limit families to 1 baby per adult, but that is still 200 kilo of baggage before the parents have even thought of using some of theirs. It would be cheaper to fly to your destination with the baggage than paying to ship it.

Ryan says:

09:32am | 06/04/11

@Tubesteak: they already have a tax on stupid people, its called “the Lotto”.

Craig says:

09:46am | 06/04/11

Don’t forget ugly people

john says:

09:53am | 06/04/11

Not calculating ACTUAL weight of people and luggage before flying is extremely hazardous for aircraft safety, after decades of working with loading aircraft I don’t know why the FAA hasn’t changed the law for actual weights to be used. Many airline accidents have occurred due to incorrect weights. Its extremely hypocritical for airlines to boast about safety when they do not use actual weights anymore.
When paying for a small parcel by airfreight they charge to within 100 grams and actual weight is used for freight yet everything else is mostly a guessing game.

PJ says:

09:55am | 06/04/11

Mahhrat,

Question for you:

Since half your blubber takes up the seat that I PAID FOR, will you be compensating me with half of my fare, since you are taking up my seat?

If the answer is no, will I be able to take half of YOUR food in return?

(Note to the uninitiated, don’t get caught in the demilitarised zone that is the space between a fat person and the fridge)

Biggest Loser says:

09:57am | 06/04/11

Eat less Michael J.

James1 says:

10:06am | 06/04/11

Ryan,

Don’t forget speeding fines.

Dissident says:

10:29am | 06/04/11

Heavy people should have to pay more for flights. I was on a flight back from Dubai to Perth next to a bloke that was so fat that he actually broke the arm between my chair and his. He was, incidentally, a very pleasant fellow and I did enjoy his conversation, if not his bulk.

I have slightly longer arms than the average man (cue the orangutan jokes?) so the cuff on a standard sleeve sits too far up my arm and looks silly. The consequence is that I can’t buy a suit off the rack and have to pay a premium to get a suit that fits. If I should have to pay more for physical differences - particularly when I have no choice whatsoever - then fat people should have to pay more to fly.

By the way, this is not a slight on fat people on flights in particular - just heavy people. There are plenty of people out there who are certainly not fat but weigh well over 100kgs. They should have to pay more for flights because they weigh more. It is a commercial decision. A ticket should only buy you a total weight, including luggage, of say 110kg.

Mahrat, you really are reaching there (easier to do with long arms…) to deflect attention from your poor lifestyle choices. A smelly grandparent usually fits in a single seat - a fat person does not. If I pay for a full seat, I want a full seat. A fat man pays for the same seat - and should not get the benefit of one and a half or two seats.

Ryan says:

10:33am | 06/04/11

@James1: true, true, however sometimes the low range ones can be accidental and are merely revenue raisers, I guess the argument there is which is stupider, accidentally breaking the speed limit or driving watching your speedo instead of the road. I agree with the stupid tax on those intentionally breaking the speed limit.

CC says:

11:56am | 06/04/11

@michael j

You exhibit airly classic denial behaviour that is the hallmark of addiction (in your case, food addiction). 

Being unable to exercise is not the cause of obesity.

Eating more than you need to is.

Avoiding acceptance of this basic equation will only lead you your next unfortunate event/s that you can add to your list of misfortunes: type 2 diabetes, hyperlipidemia, coronary artery disease, arthritis, gallstones, certain types of cancer (and they are just the bad ones).

Hank says:

02:25pm | 06/04/11

Hey Mahhrat.  You are fat because you are a lazy, over-indulging pig.  I am tall because I was born that way.  You are an excessive drain on the environment, the health system, the economy etc.  In fact your whole existence is just a burden for all mankind right down to the extra energy you consume and the oxygen you steal.  Loose weight fatty.

It's a weighty issue says:

02:48pm | 06/04/11

The issue isn’t actually paying more for people because they inconvenience or annoy you, it’s purely an issue of cost. It costs just as much to ship a smelly grandma that weighs 40kg across the country as it costs to ship a non-smelly one who weighs the same.

Tall people weigh more - which is the issue when it comes to aircraft, any aerodynamic considerations are moot as the fuesalage takes care of those - so naturally under a weight system they too will have to pay more. Like-wise someone who works out and has put on muscle weight will pay more than someone who else who hasn’t.

Lorraine says:

05:37pm | 06/04/11

I have been on planes where I have seen people actually carrying giant boxes of krispy cremes back to the states where there are no outlets (yet) for this horrendous food ( I know it’s not but what else could I call it?)
I think the writer has more than a point here. Sitting in the lee of these giants is not a pretty journey.

Lilly says:

06:20pm | 06/04/11

I had the ‘luck’ of being placed next to a police officer on a 2 hour flight. I am a 70kg female (no NOT overweight my BMI is 23) so am pretty average size. This guy was HUGE. I mean HUGE HUGE. I have never seen bigger shoulders on someone in my life, he was well over six feet tall. He did not fit in his seat, he knew he did not fit in his seat before he sat down his first words to me were “Lucky you”. While this man did carry a little extra weigh around the middle that was nothing compared to his 2 seat wide shoulders. So tell me… will he get charged extra too? He may not be a fatty but he would have easily been 100kg and I spent the flight squashed against the wall while the very skinny man on the otherside spent the flight hanging out into the isle getting smashed by the drinks trolley. I can understand if they had a standard total weight, bags and all that you had to be under or pay extra for but to just charge the overweight and obese more is discrimination whether you like it or not.

Brad Coward says:

06:39pm | 06/04/11

Some people are born p***ks.  Some people have p***kdom trust upon them !  Don’t assume that because someone is overweight they spend all day with their head inside a charfbag.

Boo says:

04:20am | 07/04/11

I am so sick of stupid arguments about cyclists and registration. The rego paid for a car does not cover the costs associated with maintaining all the infrastructure that cars require, such as road maintenance etc. Hence registering a bike would be a stupid decision - it would take up enormous amounts of time for no befefit. Most if not all cyclists already own a car (or two) and therefore contribute to the maintenance of roads etc anyway. Bikes take up less space on the road and for parking; I used to laugh myself silly at the stupidity of my former workmates who used to simultaneously whinge about cyclists being on the road and yet also complain about being stuck in traffic jams and not being able to find a place to park their car. Imagine how much more congested the roads would be if all cyclists drove their cars to work instead! There are an enormous number of studies that demonstrate the benefits of cycling as exercise. Cue savings on the health system - fewer sick days, no diabetes etc. As a person with arthritis and who has been hit by a car, I assure you that cycling has enable me to return to normal health and I am no longer classed as disabled. I have been hit by a car, and took all of one day off work to recover, so don’t go thinking cyclists end up costing huge amounts due all the supposed accidents! That’s bollocks!!! I now live overseas where life is so much nicer. The culture is cycle friendly. People respect you and are happy to share the road, both with other car drivers (no road rage) and with cyclists. I no longer get beer bottles, bricks, firecrackers etc thrown at me, as was the daily situation in Australia. I have not been ‘car-doored’ just for the sh*ts and giggles for the car driver, as happened in Australia. I have not been screamed at, hurled abuse at etc as happened daily in Australia. I hope to never return to Australia (and no doubt all your cyclist-haters with your stupid envy that we are happy people) will be happy to hear that. I also tell everyone I meet not to bother visiting Australia and certainly to never emigrate there as it is culture in decline. Unfriendly, intolerant, overweight, and stupid.

Ann says:

04:30am | 07/04/11

Watching people (from the morbidly obese to the anorexic) check in at the airport, wielding various quantities of baggage, I wonder why the airlines don’t institute a couple of simple rules - a) weigh passenger and luggage together (as previously suggested) so each ticket buys a a certain weight limit on the plane (110kg sounds quite reasonable). Weigh more than that and you can ditch your luggage or pay extra; and b) use the metal detector walk-through machine just like the Australian Post letter gauges. If you touch the sides of the machine (or have to turn sideways to get through you qualify for two seats and have to pay the extra fare.

These two measures would ensure that, in true user pays style, the more space you occupy and the more fuel required to lift your mass off the ground, the more you pay.  It would also ensure that each passenger was allocated enough room to accommodate their bulk without suffocating their fellow passenger with body odour, rolls of fat and (often) the smell of the last fast food meal consumed (or worse, brought onto the plane if on a discount airline).

If you make lifestyle choices which increase your girth and decrease your lifespan, fine, but get used to paying for the consequences.  And Michael J, there are plenty of people who have had similar injuries to you but don’t go down the poor-me-can’t-exercise-so-I’ll-just-blob-out road.  Plenty of disabled athletes out there who are fitter and leaner than the average able-bodied person. 

And while the airlines are doing that, perhaps someone might give a thought to actually enforcing cabin baggage rules so that all those people trying to avoid the charge for checked baggage can’t take their enormously oversize “cabin baggage” onboard, making getting to your seat a marathon obstacle race and filling the overhead lockers with their three bags per person!

JimmyMac says:

10:38am | 07/04/11

I agree Ann. And maybe fast food outlets (how do they call themseleves restaurants?) should have the same metal gate. You touch the sides, you can’t eat here. Let’s have responsible service of food. Of course, if such a thing were to happen I can see big morbos sitting out the front of Maccas and KFC paying kids to go in and get them their fix. Oops, I seem to have followed others off topic.

Reg says:

06:59am | 06/04/11

Mahhrat’s fat? Who knew…?

Lila says:

07:20am | 06/04/11

Mahrat knew?

Christopher says:

07:37am | 06/04/11

AHAHHA REG Classic.

and Mahhrat it would be a logistical nightmare to registar bikes to ride on the road, does it also mean that when you teach your kids you to ride that you have to get CTP, road worthy certificate etc for their bikes. Whose the muppet now.

and why should we not charge fatties extra. its becoming socially acceptable to be fat these days which is repulsive! throw a spanner in the works and hopefully get the fatties to loose weight!

Mahhrat says:

07:50am | 06/04/11

@Christoper:  A logistical nightmare?  Why?  You put rego plates on your bike, the same way I do my car.  You go do your service, get a piece of paper, go to the rego office, pay fees and insurance, the same way you do your car.

And sure, you want to teach your kid to ride on a street, you pay for them too!  Why not?

You guys are the ones who want to go down this path, not me.

Al says:

07:58am | 06/04/11

isn’t most of that 800 a ctp green slip? You know to cover the damage costs of large multi-tonne vehicles. I doubt it’d be that much for a bike. Not to mention the ‘rego’ component doesn’t even cover roads, taxes do lol.

Reggie says:

07:58am | 06/04/11

Sorry Reg but have you seen the size of some of our military guys?

F…... giants and not a FAT one among them. Even my young plumber outside here is built like a brick shit-house and not a gram of fat, and you should see him get stuck into the hot piklets with strawberry jam and Reggie’s wondorous whipped cream.

The below “average” weight guys have a problem too. Pussies.

Kebabpete says:

08:16am | 06/04/11

Mahhrat, If you actually bothered to look into this you would see that the state govt actually commissions studies into taxing cyclists every couple of years. The outcome is always the same though. The majority of people who cycle already pay tax (rego) for at least 1 car. And if they are cycling then their car is not on the road.

Mahhrat says:

08:46am | 06/04/11

@KebabPete, I have looked into it, and your argument is invalid.

If I have two cars, I pay two lots of rego, though I only drive one at a time.

Nice try, fail.

Ripa says:

08:49am | 06/04/11

@Kebabpete

Does that mean i can own 10 cars and only pay for one, because i cant be in more than 1 car at a time, im already paying for a car, what does it matter which one i am driving.

comeatme says:

08:51am | 06/04/11

Lets also mention that people riding bikes output less carbon, will be fitter and healthier causing less overall strain on the public health system, help reduce traffic on the roads thus wear and tear.

Rego for bikes vs private companies charging more to move overweight people….  LOL.  Some people are out of their minds.

Geoff - Brisbane says:

08:54am | 06/04/11

@ Mahhrat

Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder . Going to eat that to?

The Original Oz says:

09:16am | 06/04/11

Kebabpete - to follow your logic there. I won two cars, one I use during the week for commuting and a much more enjoyable one I use on weekends. As I only have one of these on the road at any time should I then be only paying one registration ? You bike riders come up with some simplistic arguments to try to defend yourselves against paying your way..

roddo says:

09:24am | 06/04/11

Mahhrat you’re a foolf. I ride to work each day and own 2 cars as do most cyclists. Maybe you should try it or is your gut to big to let your legs turn!

Samual says:

09:36am | 06/04/11

Rego on bikes could be used to pay for traffic accident outcomes (as they are much more likely to be seriously injured) and create more bicycle tracks.

Arnold says:

09:40am | 06/04/11

Mahrat and The Original Oz,
I will happily pay rego fees for my bike, in addition to my motorbike and car, if you guys agree to pay extra for your movie tickets, plane tickets, public transport seats, doctors visitors, etc.
To make it fair for all, I propose that rego fees should also be then charged based on weight.  Let’s see, it costs me $800 to register my 1500kg car, so to register my 20kg bike will cost around $10 per year.  I’ll happily pay an extra $10 in rego fees per year if everything else becomes cheaper when I stop subsidising fatties.

Kebabpete says:

09:48am | 06/04/11

@Mahhrat / @Ripa, The logic is not that you have an extra car sitting at home, but that you have a car sitting at home whilst you are using a vehicle that doesn’t destroy roads, create congestion, or produce emissions.

@Original Oz - I don’t ride a bike. I’m just stating facts.

Mahhrat says:

10:00am | 06/04/11

@Roddo, a bike?  You mean like my Avanti Explorer 8C with internal gearing hub that I rode to work this morning?

Though you’re right, I’m feeling a little peckish.  Can I have some of that egg on your face?

mike j says:

10:38am | 06/04/11

“my Avanti Explorer 8C”

No-one asked about your bra, Mahhrat.

The Original Oz says:

10:40am | 06/04/11

@Arnold - you are jumping to conclusions there Arnold. I also own a bike and am quite comfortable within a healthy weight range. My point is that cyclists (particularly the “Lycra Loon” fanatics) are continually whining whenever there is any suggestion that they need to pay their own way - also when their is the slightest suggestion that they (or some of their number) may be problems on the roads due to their arrogance and refusal to follow road rules, let alone common sense. Your post sort of sums this up entirely.

Shifter says:

02:38pm | 06/04/11

Slighty back on topic…

@ Mahrat - vehicle rego component in all Australian states is based on kerb weight. Compulsory third part insurance makes up approx 65% (in WA, where I live) last time I checked (about October last year, when I pay my rego).

Discounting the 3rd party insurance, and comparing the kerb weight ratio of my road bike and car, i’d be paying about 83 cents for rego on my bike.

Hardly worth the administration to keep it all in check.

Shifter says:

02:39pm | 06/04/11

And whilst I’m thinking about it… rego via kerb weight correlates pretty well with the airfare via body weight theory being put forward by Chris.

DaveinPerth says:

02:57am | 07/04/11

@Mahhrat. -  The bike rego concept is childish. As a progressive society, why would we move to discourage the use of bikes? It’s a non-comparison.

At 108kg, I would be pay the ‘pay extra for a fare’ category. Great. Extra incentive to lose that niggling 15kg that I’ve been meaning to excise.

At that weight, my shoulders would still be way too wide to fit a STD economy seat, so I’d still be booking/checking in early to get the exit row. But at least I’d be less stressed about getting up every hour for the anti-dvt walk around.

Reggie says:

08:08am | 06/04/11

BarraBob; “freight”

Yeah and Australian prisoners of war in Japan were referred to as LOGS. Only a matter of circumstances I guess.

Piston engined aircraft had low power and high running and maintenance costs compared with jets. Cutting back was a priority then, now they simply want to reintroduce it. Makes sense, it’s just that modern day travellers are spoiled shitless.

Stephy says:

10:15am | 06/04/11

Weird, BarraBob. Are you sure? As a glider pilot I know we use weight to even out the weight balance on the fuselage so the plane flies level, instead of nosediving or taildiving the moment the pilot lets go of the tugrope in the air. If the pilot weighs less than he should, weights are placed under the seat. If he weighs more than he should… well, I assume the weights go at the other end. Never happened to me before.
It would make sense to use this theory for early aviation as well.

Ryan says:

10:31am | 06/04/11

@Stephy: Look up MTOW to go with your weight and balance. I believe this is what is inferred.

Gregg says:

09:28am | 06/04/11

@ Super D,
I can think of what it stands for!
Any per bag weight may be to do with handling but planes also have total loading requirements.

Joan says:

07:49am | 06/04/11

Yep if you are twice the size of average person ... twice the price The guy sitting obstructing the aisle requires at minimum two seats and all three for comfort. Truth is ... his figure is a safety hazard .. he would not be able to move freely and easily down aisle in case of emergency. The only place for obese people considering safety and comfort for other passengers is business and first class.  Special rules and regulations exist re travel for people with medical conditions and post operations, New rules should be made for obese persons. How about an aeroplane standard seat at boarding gate .... if you don’t fit the seat you don’t get on…. like carry on luggage…measure up baggage. and measure the derrier .

Tony of Poorakistan says:

08:44am | 06/04/11

OK - I will go along with this, but I then want people taxed on a proper sliding scale as well. None of this crap about anyone who earns heaps paying disproportionate tax so that I am subsidising others. It is all relative to what you weigh and it is all relative to what you earn. Sounds fair to me.

roddo says:

09:32am | 06/04/11

AG, i am 6ft 2, 100KG and exercise everyday. I am not fat in the slightest (you should see me anc come feel my abs, they are amazing), im not a muscle freak who has made myself biger, just a normal very fit toned guy that happens to be taller and will save the gov heaps in the long term through health benefits. So why should i have to pay more to fly than some unhealthy dweeb who weighs 65 kilo’s ringing wet and smokes 50 a day just because he was born smaller than me (or his mum smoked during his pregnancy!)???

Gregg says:

09:38am | 06/04/11

@Joan,
I agree that safety needs to be considered and that guy would need about four seat belt extensions to even get buckled up and imagine if he is not and you hot turbulence, you’d not want him in orbit about the cabin either.

But as to healthy size variances, like little women can be 50Kg. and a hefty fit taller guy could easily be over 100Kg without being obese.
If you start charging totally by weight, I reckon you might just get a lot less people flying and then airlines with fewer people on board will be doing a number of things:
. charging more per passenger
. putting on less flights
. maybe even going out of business.

I did read of an airline, either in Canada or US I think it was and they wanted a guy to book two seats to allow him aboard and I think it was eventually taken to a discrimination hearing and airline lost.
But they certainly ned to have safety regulations covering cabin restrictions.

Reggie says:

10:04am | 06/04/11

There’s nothing to stop them running “Fat Flights” Perth to Sydney and back. I’m led to believe there are more fatties per capita in WA than in the East and they all want to get away.  It’s probably only gossip intended by their skinny enemies to defame and disparage. I want to know if Erick’s FAT.

Vivalicious says:

10:29am | 06/04/11

My husband is on the large side. He pays for business class, so it’s comfortable for him and comfortable for his fellow passengers.  Sadly, as that is the case, we can’t afford to fly too much. :-(

Kate says:

01:07pm | 06/04/11

Roddo - because you get to see when you attend concerts, and at 165cm/60kgs I don’t. You pay more to fly, I get to pack more pairs of shoes, and you can see when you go to the Big Day Out and I spend the day trying not to sprain an ankle jumping to see the stage.
It all works out in the wash.

Van Diemonian says:

02:33pm | 06/04/11

Reggie says: 10:04am “there are more fatties per capita in WA than in the East” - Wrong - you have obviously never visited Tasmania - we play a game - spot the skinny one.

Our new rego plates say “Tasmania -  where men are fat and the women are obese”

Von Hayek says:

04:27pm | 06/04/11

Tony that is illogical. What has weight got to do with taxes??

More weight = more drag = more fuel consumed = higher costs for airlines.

You may oppose such a measure with some other form of reasoning, but the arguement you’ve posted is invalid.

Bilby says:

07:33am | 06/04/11

“It’s the difference between a bunch of disconnected individuals and a community”

My gut reaction every time I hear the phrase “Why should I have to ... ?” is “because you’re part of a society. Sometimes you give, sometimes you take.” My 7 year old gets it, but it would appear to be too much for many “adults”.

Mahhrat says:

07:52am | 06/04/11

Well said Faz, +1, though I doubt any of the 20-something gym junkie trolls we’ll see today will agree.

Kebabpete says:

08:24am | 06/04/11

Faz, what a load of rubbish! As a single white male who studied hard, worked hard, and now receives a nice income and lives a good healthy life, I dont see squat from this so called social generosity. What I do see though, is that I have to pay for every other persons way of life. Doesn’t matter if they are fat, unemployed, have kids, or what ever. I pay for their comfort, not because I want to, but because I have to. And that’s not right!

Muttley says:

08:50am | 06/04/11

Kebabpete, oh the irony of your reply. “I dont see any benefit from social generosity so i aint doin it”. You are the perfect example of why this system is breaking down. Lol. You probably dont see how funny your statement is. Shame.

Mahhrat says:

08:50am | 06/04/11

@KebabPete, and the only reason you have that idyllic lifestyle is on the back of other people who built it for you - laid roads, kept them safe, have homes for the homeless so you’re not constantly bombarded with all of life’s ills.

What’s the solution then, we off anyone who doesn’t fit in with your expectations, in case they become a ‘burden’?

Anyone who has a critical accident and is a paraplegic is, what, left out in the cold, because you have to support them and you don’t want to?

comeatme says:

08:56am | 06/04/11

Mahrat:  oh no not the gym monkey trolls, how dare they be fit!!  you sound angry, take a vallium and a bag of chips.

Kebabpete : Australia is at the level it is due to the socialism you describe, we have ALOT of people living very well, and as far as im concerned, that is a good thing.  You attitude is similar to a right leaning american, and that place has terrible welfare, terrible healthcare and is going down the drain fast…

Tim the Toolman says:

09:17am | 06/04/11

No, as a society we are obliged to look after those who are weak through no fault of their own, not those who are weak through choice in an effort to take from the good will of others.  Those parasites are thrown to the Hyenas when caught out for what they are.

Reggie says:

10:05am | 06/04/11

Kebabpete - “What I do see though, is that I have to pay for every other persons way of life.”

Pwned!!!

Faz says:

10:08am | 06/04/11

@ Muttley

I suspect Kebabpete is taking the P. If not ... well ... he’ll either experience that generousity and change his view or turn into a crusty old bugger (if he isn’t one already).

@ Tim the Toolman

They tried your version of the perfect society once but Godwin’s Law prevents me from being more explicit.

Kebabpete says:

10:47am | 06/04/11

@Mahhrat, I think you’re jumping to conclusions there a bit. I’m not saying anything about disabled people, I understand that as a society we have a responsibility to support some people. That is never in question. What I’m saying is that if you can help yourself then why should I have to pay for it.

Kebab says:

11:27am | 06/04/11

@Muttley, If you’re going to quote me, at least copy and paste the quote so you get it correct instead of trying to put words in my mouth.

I never said “I dont see any benefit from social generosity so i aint doin it”. (note how I copy and pasted your exact comment) I actually do contribute generously to various social organizations both financially and with my own time. These are often people and families that can’t help themselves or aren’t helped by the govt, or local organizations that just need a hand. My point is that through taxes I also pay for those that can help themselves, and that is not right! Why should I be paying for someone who can help them self but chooses not to.

Tim the Toolman says:

12:41pm | 06/04/11

@Faz
“They tried your version of the perfect society once but Godwin’s Law prevents me from being more explicit. “

Cool…so, how about you give me all your wage and let me live in your house gratis…oh, and get me a coffee while you’re at it.  Why?  Why it’s your role to look after me, right?

*shakes head*  Some balance is required or there is no incentive for people to contribute.  They’re called moochers and they will mooch until someone stops them.

Faz says:

01:02pm | 06/04/11

@ Tim the Tooman

One lump or two?

While you’re sipping, look up ‘Straw Man’ argument (it’s yours FOC).

Muttley says:

02:21pm | 06/04/11

Kebabpete, we all pay for things that we dont support. We dont get to choose what we want to support and what we dont. I dont particularly enjoy seeing my taxes going into rebates and tax incentives given to thriving companies. But that is part and parcel of our the way our country is structured.
  And i am not trying to paste words into your mouth, merely paraphrasing what i believe you are expressing. And if i have gotten you wrong, then i apologise. It is an attitude i am seeing plenty of on this topic. It is quite astonishing the amount of people here who feel they have the right to decide what otherts can do. It is really very sad. We arent becoming more tolerant as a society. The bigots are still here, they just use different yard sticks to discriminate.

Von Hayek says:

04:35pm | 06/04/11

@Faz, your implicit comparison to Nazi Germany makes no sense at all.

You don’t choose to be Jewish, you don’t choose to be homosexual, you don’t choose to be mentally disabled etc etc.

How ironic that you accuse others of putting up straw man arguements when you yourself are guilty of it!

Shifter says:

05:14pm | 06/04/11

@Kebabpete - “What I do see though, is that I have to pay for every other persons way of life.”

If you’re griping about being taxed to pay for welfare because like me you’re a SINK, then think of it as paying it forward so that when you do become a welfare leech you can do it with a clear conscience.

Mike says:

08:54am | 06/04/11

I’m two metres tall, which some might understand as six foot seven.

I weigh just under 100 kilograms, which means my BMI is 24. Not fat, I’ve just got a fair few muscles.

So, how does that stack up against Cameron’s 110kg rule? We’re not all titches, Cameron.

If you’re going to continue down this discriminatory path, at least make it a penalty for people with a BMI over 30, rather than a de facto penalty against the tall as well as the overweight.

I can’t make myself any shorter. If anything, tall people should get a bigger luggage allowance - our clothes and shoes weigh more.

JimmyMac says:

11:35am | 06/04/11

People see discrimination where they choose to, Mike.
The equation is simple, more weight equals more fuel burn for the airlines. The engines do not discriminate whether that weight is fat or muscle. Why shouldn’t the airline charge by weight?

centurion48 says:

08:18am | 06/04/11

I agree Ripa, don’t let Cameron make the rules. Yours are much better. And can I suggest that all the fat bastards be seated in rows at the back of the aircraft. That way the aircraft will already be pointing skywards when it comes time to take off.
While we are at it, can we ban Krispy Kreme donuts and their owners from travel on aircraft and enforce the one small bag as carry on luggage.
BTW, I would fly more often if total weight of passenger and luggage was the basis for fares. (Are you listening Alan Joyce and Richard Branson?)

Trumpster says:

08:26am | 06/04/11

I’d fly with them.

David c says:

10:27am | 06/04/11

centurion why would you ban Krispy Kreme donuts? The eating of a donut does not make you fat..

L. says:

08:10am | 06/04/11

Whats the difference between a fat person and a hypocrite..??

About 18 Kg apparently.

Rob says:

08:15am | 06/04/11

At 93kg, your still not going to be able to take much luggage before the excess baggage cuts in

Reggie says:

08:15am | 06/04/11

Would you settle for fatties losing their baggage allowance and having colonic irrigation pre-flight? 

Actually free colonics for all should tip the balance.

AFR says:

08:56am | 06/04/11

L., you may want to check your maths there

Jamie says:

09:07am | 06/04/11

Unless your 7 foot tall so dont start throwing too many stones fatso.

Talented Rugby Player says:

09:58am | 06/04/11

Hey Jamie,

Have a look at the number of All Blacks, Springboks, Wallaby rugby players who weigh between 90 kgs and 130 kgs.  None of them are 7 foot and they are all superbly fit.

So what’s your point?

esky84 says:

10:00am | 06/04/11

L: I won’t pick you up on your maths error seeing as you were nice enough not to pick my up on my spelling error. Also, being a fat person and a hypocrite are not mutually exclusive…

Jamie: A 7 foot tall person who weighs 93 kilos weighs as much as 5 foot person who weighs 93 kilos. The difference is in their BMI/fat percentage, not their baggage allowance which is the topic at hand.

Reggie: While you’re volunteering, I’m all for it!

Bilby says:

10:05am | 06/04/11

I

too

take

this

comment

seriously

cos

obviously

that’s

the

way

it

was

intended.

(Or maybe I’m just slow)

Reggie says:

10:26am | 06/04/11

Esky 84 “I’m all for it!” 

Sorry Esky, It was not my intention to suggest you are full of shit. 

All those tornado toilet flushes represent wasted fuel and are to be discouraged. Then, if everyone brought their own disposable oxygen supply we could do away with the pressurization without the fear of anal leakage.

I told you it only required a bit of lateral thinking. Otherwise it’s all good money down the drain and who wants to take the shit home in the holding tank? If necessary, drop it over the side immediately.

Talented Rugby Player says:

10:38am | 06/04/11

Bilbo - fantastic reply!  Laughed out loud.  Some people just aren’t clever enough to see others’ sense of humour are they (eg’ L’)?

L. says:

11:03am | 06/04/11

“L: I won’t pick you up on your maths error seeing as you were nice enough not to pick my up on my spelling error”

Maths error..??

93
+ 18
=111

110Kg is the proposed cut off for “normal”, so 111 Kg is “fat”.

Pretty simple really.

Talented Rugby Player says:

11:56am | 06/04/11

‘L’ - nice try to cover your initial poor subtraction result of 18kgs.  How long did it take for you to come up with your second set of numbers to try and cover your mistake?

Elphaba says:

01:39pm | 06/04/11

@Joan “Fat people eat inappropriate food and lots of it. Nobody gets fat living on a cup of rice a day and drinking water.”

This is true.  Watch Survivor - they get so skinny eating rice and drinking water with a few calorie binges thrown in if they’re lucky to win reward.  Even the chubby competitors they’ve had on there lose some weight.

L. says:

01:47pm | 06/04/11

No, that was it..

It was stated by the author that the normal “range” is up to 110 Kg… Therefore “fat” kicks off at 111 Kg.

“If we all got allocated this weight, let’s say it was 110kg, which we could use as we saw fit, then had to pay for any excess over this, I think that would be equitable…”

If you can’t see that very, very, very simple logic, then there isn’t much more I can say.

Actually, it’s more than a little embarrassing that it had to be explained.

fairsfair says:

08:22am | 06/04/11

And you don’t think getting checked in and ready to board takes long enough already?

I once flew from Lizard Island to Cairns on a tincy little plane. We all had to be weighed so that fuel requirements could be determined. We had just come back from a cuise. Cue screams of horror, direct refusals. People saying oh I am about 65kg. Most people (of any size) would prefer not to be publically weighed.

It is just not feasible and check in staff have to listen to enough of people’s problems let alone hearing every second person nervously laugh “oh I had a big lunch”.

BigTedd says:

08:06am | 06/04/11

Why is it you bigoted rednecks always think weight is self inflicted. Any doctor will tell you there are numerous reasons why people are fat not all are coursed by consuming 3 times more food than you !! While where at it why don’t we give skinny people smaller seats so they take up only that amount of room the wish to pay for! What do you care about the weight of the aircraft it can take twice what it normally does anyway!

Rev says:

08:22am | 06/04/11

I couldn’t agree with you more, someone.

I’m 120kg, 6’6” and quite fit.  I don’t really fit in an economy seat lengthways, so I pay extra.  This way, I’m comfortable, and the guy I would have been sitting behind in economy can put his seat back.

I’ll never forget what happened to my father on a family trip to the US back in the 90s.  Mum, my brother, and I were on one side of the aircraft, the old man was across the aisle, with a spare seat next to him.  A gigantically fat guy (a tad smaller than the one in the article photo) came down the aisle, and naturally the spare seat was for him.

Dad got out, let this guy ‘in’, and sat back down.  Then this arsehole decided that it would be perfectly acceptable to lift both armrests, so his disgusting fat could spill out on the two people either side of him. 

And that was the first (and only, I believe) time my father was arrested and escorted from an aircraft.

Reggie says:

08:32am | 06/04/11

There’s a bit of blind ignorant stupidity there “someone.” 

A diabetic can be overweight for very specific reasons. Certain heart medications such as Amiodrone can cause an over-active thyroid and while it might seem that the hyperactivity it brings should mean loss of weight, it can and does cause weight GAIN.  Even after a 12 month withdrawal of the medication, the over active thyroid may not abate.

Blame over-use of computer why-doncha. Let us not forget that the airlines make money out of passenger discomfort, otherwise there would be more leg-room and fewer seats.

comeatme says:

09:02am | 06/04/11

BigTedd : the majority of people are overweight because of their inability to eat correctly (“diets” are for life, not for a few months) and continuously excercise, thats a fact.  Spew all the excuses you want,  if you arn’t doing 30mins a day with some weights a few days a week eating more than 3000cals a day, you are going to get fat, stay fat.

Tim the Toolman says:

09:20am | 06/04/11

“it can and does cause weight GAIN.”

Bollocks Reggie.  It makes weight gain easier.  You can’t create weight out of nothing…someone is still cramming more fuel than that body requires into its piehole.

Joan says:

09:39am | 06/04/11

Fat people eat inappropriate food and lots of it. Nobody gets fat living on a cup of rice a day and drinking water. The more I snack and eat and the less exercise I do .... the more I pile on. Once you’ve piled it on its not easy to lose it fast. If you have a predispostion to fatness` you just have to work at it harder, watch what you put in mouth, portion size and do more exercise.  I`ve seen an obese woman shuffling , puffing away to donut shop where she picked up big bag of previous days donuts ....puffed her way to public seat outside and started shovelling donuts in mouth. And then there was the fat obese guy who crushed/ collapsed a chair in waiting room who then sued the company for `brain`` damage received ... a slight bump on the head against the wall as the seat concertinaed under his weight. Yep fatties know how to throw their weight about and fat is nothing to do with what they keep stuffing in their mouths… so they say.

PJ says:

10:17am | 06/04/11

@ BigTedd

It’s not the weight of the plane, it’s how much of your weight rests on top of us for the entire flight.

@ Reggie

Most people are obese because they don’t exercise and shove too much food into their cake hole.

Rev says:

10:28am | 06/04/11

@BigTedd and Reggie.  The overwhemlming majority of obese people are lazy and overeat, deal with it.  Of course there will be other reasons why people may be fat, but they aren’t the norm.

And it still doesn’t address why some fat people find it acceptable to spill over onto someone else, does it?

Reggie says:

11:07am | 06/04/11

Ohhhh——Kkkkkkk

So if overweight people have restricted mobility and hyperactivity that enables easy storage of energy in previously activated fat cells, any amount of food represents too much.

These are often people with heart problems, and exercise is often not a viable option. Even starvation compromises the heart and over-exercise certainly does. 

Take a look at the height of that guy in the picture. Sure he’s overweight but not as much as it appears when you take his height into account.

It’s always the big arse that’s the problem so of course women are going to receive rather more attention then men.  Sorry girls, telling you it doesn’t look big won’t work anymore. Men can walk their arses off with ease.

Tim the Toolman says:

12:46pm | 06/04/11

Sure Reggie…that makes sense.  It’s not that people are lazy and eating too much, it’s actually a perfect storm of things completely outside of their control which now affects a huge swathe of the population!  Done!  We’ve solved the obesity issue!  Now, where’s my Krispy Kreme that I must eat, lest I develop further heart issues….

“So if overweight people have restricted mobility and hyperactivity that enables easy storage of energy in previously activated fat cells, any amount of food represents too much. “

Yes, because the body uses 0 energy even when not exercising….right.  How hard is this?  Seriously?

Insert 2000 Calories…burn 1500…500 extra have to go somewhere!  Here’s the solution…you WILL always burn energy, so reduce the intake to mangeable levels!  Bah!

PJ says:

01:06pm | 06/04/11

Listen to yourself Reggie.

It seems any excuse will do.

Reggie says:

04:07pm | 06/04/11

Timmy the Toolman.  “Yes, because the body uses 0 energy even when not exercising….right.  How hard is this?  Seriously”

Now come on Timmy, you know better than that. The basal metabolic rate of a person in a coma is somewhere between 800 and 1500 calories a day just to keep the brain alive and the blood circulating. No point discussing it if you don’t know that.

PDiddy says:

05:01pm | 06/04/11

Not too many “fat” people in 3rd world Africa where food is scarce.

There should be a simple test…..if you are so fat you can’t fit in one (1) seat without inconveniencing your neighbouring passenger or partially blocking the aisle then you MUST either pay for two seats or pay for a one business/first class seat.

Joan says:

08:01am | 06/04/11

Its safety first when travelling by air. Start watching Air crash Investigators . Obese people in Economy travel are not only safety hazards by way of obstructing free movement, but cause discomfort for others and even possibly cause DVT to themselves and others because other passengers find it too difficult to move around the mass. If you are obese then travel business or first class ...thats where you belong. 20Kg luggage belongs in cargo hold and 95+Kg person should travel up front and pay the price.

Simonious says:

08:43am | 06/04/11

My thoughts pretty much exactly. He seems a little angry too. Just because the airline wants to charge you for taking your bike on a plane why do you want the fatties to subsidise it.  I think in the case of overweight people like the one in the photo they should be asked to buy 2 seats. That would suffice and stil give other passengers comfort and he would be paying more in fares than your ill thought out scheme would provide. Hell with 2 tickets purchased they could give him an extra bag of nuts as well. But if you can fit in those seats then you only need one ticket. End of story.

grumpy old man says:

08:59am | 06/04/11

Joan, you really have hit rock bottom when you’re using a TV programme that is produced to sensationalize things as a reliable source.
According to your rules, my 6’4"frame, which weighs in at a healthy ( so I’m told by the doc) 98kg,  makes me qualify as obese? Is this something you have just made up or do you have some medical qualifications to justify your rather silly statement?
From my perspective, anyone under 6ft that takes an aisle seat, or a seat by an emergency exit should be required to pay more because this denies me a comfortable seat, !.
Reality is that I am simply too tall to sit in anything but an aisle or emergency exit seat. Would you like to discriminate against me as well?

Reggie says:

08:59am | 06/04/11

So you don’t think high packing density may be contributory to safety problems eh Joan?

To repeat, airlines make their money out of passenger discomfort.

The greater number they can pack in before screaming protests from the passengers, the greater the profit. Those wailing noises you hear are going to come from the “below average” size and be aimed at the big people who are always presumed to be FATTIES.

Perhaps current packing density should be subject to more stringent safety considerations?  Actually I only watch those programmes to see how stupid some of the operators can be, I’m totally resigned to a quick death and have no fear of flying what-ever.

centurion48 says:

09:52am | 06/04/11

@grumpy old man: if your doctor says you are a healthy weight then you need to change doctors unless you are exercising madly and have a higher than average muscle content. Your BMI is in the overweight range.
As for user pays not being viable, the reason the world is in so much trouble with rampant consumerism is because we have not applied the user pays principle. To extend this argument further, why should I pay the same council rates as the person who generates 10 times the amount of garbage as I do. User pays for electricity, gas and water. Why not garbage? If an activity is discretionary it should be user pays.
To get back to the original topic, airlines encourage carry on luggage because it is cheaper than putting it in the cargo hold. The amount of fuel required for an aircraft is calculated on weight not ethnicity, age, gender or height. That should be the basis for charging but it is (currently) not politically correct so you won’t see a politician pushing for it.

Joan says:

09:53am | 06/04/11

Grumpy…. I have learned a lot about what to do during emergency watching that show… and I know sitting next to an obese person would diminish my survival…. best place for fatty and big person is near the window out of the way of others.  My husband is an aeronautical engineer-  that show is not alarmist . it is factual recounting of event and cause of accident. Grumpy if you are big just go and pay more…give yourself a treat Business class and leave Economy to those who fit in economy seats ... seats not designed or meant for the big.

Your name: Paul says:

10:09am | 06/04/11

Good point, Joan, although 95+ KG is extreme, for a male anyway. I would suggest 110 and if they cant afford the price of a up front itcket put them in a section with the other 110+

Rover of North Cooma says:

10:38am | 06/04/11

Joan, sitting next to me would diminish your chances of survival, because after reading your rabid posts day after day, I’d chuck you out the window on take-off.
And because you’re no doubt only 50kg, it would be easy.

grumpy old man says:

12:05pm | 06/04/11

Centurion,
actually I do have a high muscle content and low fat, don’t need to exercise madly either,  just good Northern European genetics making me well over 6ft, blond haired and blue eyed as well!
A lot of things are priced on the
Joan,
you miss the point, why should I have to pay extra to get the same as a shorter person?

Jason Todd says:

02:47pm | 06/04/11

Centurion, It has been well discussed that the BMI is horsecrap. It was created to address a social physics question and has little to do with health and wellbeing. While it may be true that individuals with a high BMI suffer from weight related health problems, using the BMI as a measuring stick to determine what is and isn’t healthy is a trap. Grumpy Old Man shouldn’t be trying to force his frame into the range for a ‘healthy’ BMI, because chances are that will be bad for his health. If his doctor says that he is healthy at the weight that he is, then I would take the doc’s word for it.

Reggie says:

09:47am | 06/04/11

Wassa-madda-wid-juh? Last time I flew out of Vienna the counter lady got very suspicious because my bag only weighed 10kg. After a while you learn the value of travelling LIGHT.

Self control says:

10:30am | 06/04/11

Is there really such a person as the “medically obese”? It’s my understanding that obesity is related to what you put in your mouth vs the exercise you do. If you can’t exercise due to a medical condition you shouldn’t eat so much (ie find a hobby you can do rather than eating). Do you see poor people in 3rd world countries who are fat because they are disabled?

Reggie says:

08:43am | 06/04/11

Funny how your words are delivered in a whining voice.

craig Z says:

08:46am | 07/04/11

its not discrimination, its common sense. They are not being stopped from flight because they are fat, they should be asked to pay to move the extra kilos.

VickiPS says:

09:43am | 06/04/11

I expect my doctor, or perhaps my mother, to tell me my weight is unhealthy, not a total stranger.  I don’t know how or by whom you were raised, but I was most definitely taught that it was extremely rude to pass personal comments.  But if times have changed so much, perhaps I’ll start walking up to scrawny strangers and telling them to for god’s sake eat a pie; or announcing in a loud proud happy voice to cyclists, gym junkies and joggers, “geez you stink!”

I won’t say I’m happy to be the weight I am, and I know what to do about it.  But I also know (and you bloody well don’t) what else is going in my life, so don’t dare presume to tell me you know what’s best for my health.  “Lazy” and “bad eating” are mere pejorative catchphrases that are more aimed at punishing fatties that helping, and which encourage a very two-dimensional perspective of wellness.

shenanigans says:

10:17am | 06/04/11

Vicki, you’ re making it sound like its our fault for your weight making you feel bad. I, behalf of all non-fat people everywhere apologise for being healthy and making you feel bad for your own problems.

Vicki says:

11:07am | 06/04/11

@Shenanigans:  What the..?  Did I say my weight made me feel bad?  Nope.  Did I blame non-fat people for my “problems”?  Nope.  In fact, did I even mention problems?  Nope.  What I said was that complete strangers overstep the bounds of ordinary courtesy by presuming to comment on my fat or give me health advice.  Mind your own f*ing business.

However, it’s interesting that to you, not fat = healthy.  <snort>

Knemon says:

11:16am | 06/04/11

Hear hear ihatenaivety - “We’re the second most obese nation after the US” - the latest medical journal I saw on obesity suggested that we have now overtaken the USA, Australia is now recognised as the most obese nation on the planet, something we should all be ashamed of.

This article has certainly hit on a raw nerve with fat people, I assumed they would have thick enough skin to handle the criticism!

shenanigans says:

11:33am | 06/04/11

are all fat people as aggressive and angsty as you?

so its not my buisness when a fat persons roles spread out onto me when im sitting their minding my own buisness, i don’t know what kind of warped sense of personal space you have, but i rather like having my arm free to move then having it pinned by some sweaty, smelly fat person or my leg sat on because said fat person has no idea how large their arse really is.

well that is the general notion, if you aren’t fat you are healthy. unless you are ridiculosy skinny, that shit isnt healthy either.

Geoff - Brisbane says:

02:29pm | 06/04/11

@ shenanigans

What Big Vic is displaying is called fattitude. Fattitude is where fat people are “loud and proud” and obnoxious. It is especially noticable in whales (fat women), which doesn’t help when they’re trying to molest you on a dance floor.

VickiPS says:

03:31pm | 06/04/11

@shenanigans: “well that is the general notion, if you aren’t fat you are healthy”.  As I said, a very two-dimensional notion of wellness, not to mention a seriously distorted concept of what the correlation between BMI and health means.  As Molesworth would say, eny fule kno that being in the normal range for BMI is no guarantee of health.  My good friend, who was athletic all her life, exercised regularly, ate well and sparingly, and drank very little, still died far too young, of cancer. 

As I said, I know why I’m overweight and I know what to do about it, but at the moment other things are more important.  It’s not an excuse (if one is needed), and I don’t ask for or expect special treatment, but equally the reasons are no-one’s business but mine.  The very fact that I’m fat is undeniable, but no more an invitation to pass comment than my skin colour, height, or towering intellect.

I find it very telling that if I object to rudeness, errors of fact, unsubstantiated assumptions or stereotyped associations, I am expected to have a “thick skin”, or else be regarded as “hostile and angsty”.  Projection, much?  Stereotypy, for sure.

This may come as a shock, but fat people generally demonstrate the same range of intelligence and education as the general population.  Ergo, we do not need YOU to explain to us that if energy in exceeds energy out, it will be stored as fat.  See, I get it. 

And may I also assure you that I bathe regularly and do not smell of anything other than clean skin and perhaps a light cologne.  I don’t have an overwhelming urge to eat donuts, but I confess to an occasional compulsion to punch the lights out of offensive twats whose mothers clearly failed to socialise them during their tender years.

David C says:

03:49pm | 06/04/11

thats is absolutley not true re biggest killer, I think you will find your genetic background will contribute to an early death not obesity? You have more chance of dying from lap band surgery tan dying from obesity.
And who is next ? sportspeople because they get injured ?

Muttley says:

08:55am | 06/04/11

great response to this conga line of whingers. Brilliant

KH says:

09:10am | 06/04/11

Hey Tubbo - you are being ridiculous - it isn’t about ‘germs’ its about comfort.  It is not comfortable to have a stranger sitting on you on a plane.  The seats are already restrictive and painful as it is.  The point here is if you can’t fit into the available space and need more, you should pay for it, instead of assuming others are happy to pay for the same space but have to cede half of it to you.  And obviously a lot of people agree.

Rev says:

10:38am | 06/04/11

Tubbo - you try hard to not let your fat touch someone?
You don’t get points for effort, you clown.

Sad Sad Reality says:

10:47am | 06/04/11

And here I was thinking chunkers only ever made excuses about their hideous bodies and tried to call out anyone who dared mention that which should remain unmentioned - that hideous XXXL suit of adipose they carry around all day.

AF says:

10:16am | 06/04/11

Ryan air announced child free flights on April 1st. Think about the date for a tick.

Kebabpete says:

11:34am | 06/04/11

I know, but did you see how much it got people thinking and talking about it though. There’s actually talk in the airline world that its being considered on early morning European business flights. Much like the user pays toilet that they were thinking of which was only supposed to be a publicity stunt.

Bilby says:

09:57am | 06/04/11

So the solution then is to squeeze them real tight, roll them in salt, a quick brush off with a horse hair broom and they’re right to go! Everything’s easy when you look at it from the right angle.

semi concerned citizen says:

03:55pm | 06/04/11

There is too much moisture in the air they would need to be dryed and vaccum sealed until arrival

fairsfair says:

09:57am | 06/04/11

Was that a mine flight Jim? that is a whole other can of worms to regular flights.

There are some fatties at mines! How? How can they do their job? My dad once had to help rescue a huuuuge man who had rolled his dump truck reaching for a crunchie (he admitted that - I am not making it up). They had to get in some well massive crane and design a pulley system to get the cab off the ground enough that he could be towed out on a pallet. Any normal sized person could have climed out the giant window of that giant truck. Dad will recall every aspect of the story with great gusto, except how they got the pallet underneath him….

Jim says:

11:29am | 06/04/11

Ha! I remember that one Fairsfair! No, this was a commercial flight…work related but commercial. Good old MacAir!

fairsfair says:

01:10pm | 06/04/11

I have flown them one too many times. They went into receivership - shame.

How bizarre though. You can’t not hire that big fat man on the grounds of his size because it is descrimination. Yet, his weight directly caused the total loss of a million dollar truck and shut down of the pit for a couple of hours. The safety team then had to do drills rescuing fat people. Bags not Pallet inserter! What a waste of time and resources.

Even an Acotrel risk assessment would have to identify some issues there, but there is no getting around it. He was not fired as a result of his mamoth crunchie reach as if he was it would have been seen to be descriminatory. Yet my brother drove a scissor lift into the side of a shed at the same mine and was given his marching orders. Clearly he wasn’t fat enough. I know - what idiot drives a scissor lift into the side of a workshop, but there is a definite walking on egg shell type appraoch to the morbidly obese and their interaction with general society and in the workplace.

I don’t agree with the concept of the weight limit per person (that this article suggests) - but I believe that morbidly obese people should have to face some consequences for their condition. If that is being forced to buy two seats or a business class seat - well so be it. Maybe that is the incentive they need to take the stairs. 

How wierd - you’ve probably worked with my dad. Ah, if only you’d known at the time

John Smythe says:

06:06pm | 06/04/11

FF, Jim,

Any jobs going back home…..Family loved it back there to the point all are happy for a move.

Katherine says:

10:03am | 06/04/11

Ugly people?? What a ridiculous statement. Looks have nothing to do with it. If someone can’t fit in one seat they should have to buy two, that’s all there is to it. It isn’t fair that someone else who has paid full fare doesn’t get the comfort of a whole seat.

Rollo says:

11:42am | 06/04/11

Very true Barbara. I would extend that to people wearing thongs, people coming back from Bali with brand-new oozing tattoos and body piercings, and backpackers who haven’t showered for a week.

Barbara Cartland says:

12:27pm | 06/04/11

@Katherine - yes, ugly people especially with calf tattoos, they are frightful to behold and very off putting with one’s chicken or fish.

Ted says:

07:36am | 07/04/11

I wonder if all the Skinny Bigots who posted here and started the Post with “Fatties” or “Chunkers” would actually realize how ugly they are and travel on the ugly people service. Ugly is not just in the skin it goes to the bone with some folks !!

Andrew G says:

10:18am | 06/04/11

Not really a fair comment. Regularly studies show that on average tall people have a higher income then short people (google it) therefore pay more tax. So we are already subsidising you short people.

Ryan says:

11:15am | 06/04/11

@Andrew G: well there you already confirmed it, you tall people can afford to pay for two seats if not pay for business class. Obviously the study shows that tall people prejudice against short people keeping them out of high paying jobs.
Tall people should pay more taxes too, they take up more space.

Andrew G says:

11:25am | 06/04/11

Well technically no Ryan, tall people on average make more because we’re better. My original comment was meant to be light hearted as I assumed yours was too, so you can relax.

Ryan says:

11:38am | 06/04/11

@Andrew G: yeah mine too, just having a laugh mate, trying to be a bit tongue-in-cheek so to speak.

Kika says:

01:32pm | 06/04/11

Good point! Or knees in your back.. I had that one a recent flight. I am a considerate passenger and I hardly ever recline my cattle class seat, so don’t take advantage of my small size and consideration tall people!

Jason Todd says:

02:52pm | 06/04/11

Are you suggesting that we should adjust the tax brackets so tax contribution is calculated on a per inch basis with the shorter you are, the more you contribute? All 6’5” of me would be all for it.

Sad Sad Reality says:

10:31am | 06/04/11

Why do people always steal my moniker? Oh that’s right, reflected glory.

Sad Sad Reality of Journalism says:

02:16pm | 06/04/11

Poor little baby. Maybe if you had a life and didnt live on The Punch 24/7 you would notice. :_(

Sad Sad Reality says:

03:33pm | 06/04/11

Nice one.

Tim the Toolman says:

12:49pm | 06/04/11

“So does my plan to fight adult obesity and climate change - fat people made to run on hamster wheels to generate electricity.”

That’s genius…I suggest you start by selling it to Gyms so that they can advertise that they’re “green”.

Elphaba says:

12:57pm | 06/04/11

@Tim, thanks.  Who needs a bloody carbon tax? Our carbon-free future is here!

And the wheel doesn’t discriminate!  In addition to tackling the obesity problem, anyone is free to run on the wheel.  Whilst specifically built to tackle obesity and climate change, anyone wanting to trim a few extra kilos or train for a marathon is welcome to jump on for a run.

Hamish says:

12:57pm | 06/04/11

Elphaba, I’m an AGW sceptic, but I think we should go ahead with your plan anyway. In fact, we should use proceeds from the carbon tax to build the hampster wheels.

Likes Joining Dots says:

01:45pm | 06/04/11

@Elphaba - I think what’s required here is an Onflight Kilo Trading Scheme (OKTS).

Passengers below the average weight, as determined by the Health Dept and based on gender are awarded Kilo Credits (KC) for the difference. These KC’s can then be onsold to negatively geared passengers on the flight who are the obviously the larger consumers.

Time at the airport, previously wasted while waiting for flights can now be spent wisely on the airport trading floor.

As well as making it fair for all, it’s a strong incentive using market forces for people to lose weight.

I’m having a diet coke right now just thinking about the possibilities.

Elphaba says:

01:49pm | 06/04/11

@Hamish, oh don’t worry, I’m definitely an AGW skeptic too.  But apparently, it’s cool to care.  So this way, I’m caring about the environment and helping obese people live longer, active lives.

So long as once the hamster wheels were up and running and electricity being generated, the carbon tax was abolished.  After all, if we aren’t using it, we shouldn’t be taxed.

Now I’m just getting idealistic…

Elphaba says:

02:38pm | 06/04/11

@LJD, you’re hired, I love it!

I’m drinking water, myself.

Hamish says:

02:42pm | 06/04/11

You’re a true humanitarian and environmentalist Elphaba. I have just realised there might be a problem with your idea though. Most fatties can’t run all that far or all that fast, ‘cos, you know, they’re fat. I worry that we might end up spending heaps of money, scarring the landscape with huge hampster wheels and end up not getting any power out if it because the fatties get too tired. And we already have wind farms to do all of that.

Although I have to admit, I’d rather watch a fatty running on a giant hampster wheel than watch a huge windmill occassionally turn. It could be a tourist attraction.

Elphaba says:

03:12pm | 06/04/11

@Hamish, thank you.  I agree, that is a problem.  Personally, I must confess that what I really want to do is yell motivational things at the runners like Tiffiny on The Biggest Loser.  That’s why I need people like LJD to help me crunch the numbers.

Maybe it’s a phase-in thing.  We need a base-load power to pick up the slack, and then wean off it as the runners slim up and start to run faster.

There has to be a way damnit!  The environment and people’s clogged arteries depend on it!

Hamish says:

03:29pm | 06/04/11

Elphaba, maybe we could pay someone to dangle an open chip bag in front of the runners to encourage them? While screaming motivational slogans at them of course. You know, like, ‘feel the burn and grab the chips!’

Elphaba says:

04:06pm | 06/04/11

Hamish, you’re onto something there. I’d run faster for a packet of chips… you’re hired too.

AdamC says:

05:06pm | 06/04/11

Elphaba and Hamish, great stuff, I laughed out loud. I can’t stand the Biggest Loser show itself, though.

Likes Joining Dots says:

06:06pm | 06/04/11

Of course this scheme only works in a domestic environment. You don’t wan’t to walk around Bolivia International Airport shouting “I’ve got two kilo’s to sell”

Elphaba says:

06:39pm | 06/04/11

@AdamC, thanks! 

@LJD, as usual, and excellent point.  For fat Western countries only, it seems.

KH says:

10:51am | 06/04/11

We are talking about airlines.  The word ‘discount’ isn’t in their vocabulary!!  And there is a reason why I think it should be the ‘seat test’ and not weight - i know a few bodybuilders who are trim, but they weigh a lot more than you would think - muscle is denser (and therefore heavier) than fat - two people who weigh “105kg” could be completely different shapes, depending on muscle density and height.

Mahhrat says:

10:14am | 06/04/11

@shenanigans, doesn’t the fact that there is such a weight problem as needs this discussion suggest that it really isn’t that easy after all?

It’s easy for you, for him, her and probably the dog, but not for about 40% of us. 

I wonder why?

Randy Marsh says:

10:39am | 06/04/11

@Mahhrat and who said that losing weight and exercising is easy? if your exercise is easy your doing it wrong!

thats the problem with most fat people when it gets to hard they give up!

I work bloody hard myself to have my abs and my v shaped body what women love and i hate it when fat women hate on fit girls out of pure jealously because those fit firls worked bloody hard for their body and deserve to be attractive!

INB4 EXCUSES

shenanigans says:

10:42am | 06/04/11

it’s because you’re all too lazy with a favourite excuse of “it’s too hard”, I’m sorry but since when has it been hard to not cram something into your freaking mouth?

ever notice how its only be recently since the fast food boom that people are becoming obese, only the rich and powerful were fat in the ye-olde days because they spent all their time lording it over the underlings doing very little indeed all the while gorging on insane amounts of foods.

genetics doesn’t make you fat, eating does.

Sad Sad Reality says:

10:42am | 06/04/11

I have two things to say to the people who automatically associate the obvious truth with “a problem”, “hostility”, “emotional reaction”, “pathology” etc. etc.

First, you are a cowardly, excuse making, gross lump. Your disingenuous and transparent reaction is BS and indicative of someone with faulty vision and no sense of smell. Get help.

Second, you are physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually revolting. I think I’m going to be sick.

VickiPS says:

10:57am | 06/04/11

“Who is that trip-trapping on my bridge?” cried SadSadSad.  “I’m going to eat you up!”

Sorry, this little Billygoat Gruff won’t bite back.

John Smythe says:

11:12am | 06/04/11

I take offense to that SSR…I literally have no sense of smell!

Does this qualify me for some govt entitlements? ^^

Sad Sad Reality says:

11:27am | 06/04/11

If you’ve ever ridden State Rail, John, you’ll know it is a gift.

Sad Sad Reality says:

11:36am | 06/04/11

Vicki, pretty sure referring to yourself as a goat is a tad generous.

I’m assuming something along the lines of a blue whale or one of Jupiter’s moons would be more accurate.

Hamish says:

02:12pm | 06/04/11

Vicki PS, one of the biggest problems fat people have is that everyone is too nice to tell them they look disgusting and should get off their lazy arse. Well, everyone except SSR anyway…

Also, if you want to have a go at people for being hostile, it pays not to be so aggressive yourself.

VickiPS says:

03:44pm | 06/04/11

@SSR:  I like your comparisons.  I feel quite special being thought of as a blue whale or one of Jupiter’s moons.  (Goat is justified, though—I’m a Capricorn).

@Hamish:  You scrawny body-dysmorphic types have miniscule genitalia, brains the size of a walnut, the personality of an aspidistra and you smell like a $5 whore’s G-string.  You spread your legs on gym machines and hump bicycles so passionately because you can only get it off with inanimate objects.  (Wow, that feels good!  I can see why you lot enjoy being so egregiously offensive.)

Hamish says:

04:13pm | 06/04/11

VickiPS, what was rude about what I said? I mean you were obviously offended because you’ve become hysterical. I was simply pointing out that most people find fat people unattractive, but don’t want to say it to them. If you disagree with that, I’m afraid you’re delusional and if you didn’t realise it, my apologies, but it’s certainly true.

Also, only hipster chumps ride bicylces and larger people generally smell much worse than thin people. I’m perfectly happy with my genitals, thanks for asking.

shenanigans says:

10:28am | 06/04/11

can we turn all airlines into a neo Nazi lufftewaffe too? seeing as Big Moss wants a Nazi revival…

David C says:

10:29am | 06/04/11

yes and ban special needs people, wheelchair people, little kids that need those special bassinet jobbies, anyone with gastric prolems that uses the toilet too many times etc etc etc
The bigotry of some people posting here is unbelieveable

Randy Marsh says:

11:13am | 06/04/11

there is a difference between someone who is to tall or handicapped then there is to someone who is overweight, overweight people have toe choice to change themselves and tall people and the handicapped do not!

for an overweight person to compare there condition to someone who is handicapped is offensive to the truly handicapped.

In the USA overweight peoples can get handicapped parking passes! doesn’t that make you rage? that a fat lazy person can take a carpark away from a war vet

Knemon says:

12:43pm | 06/04/11

@ Margot - A tax on the fat content of food is a great idea, it would certainly make people think about what they’re eating, they might even change their diet to more healthier foods. Time for a ‘fat’ tax.

michael j says:

02:35pm | 06/04/11

@Knemon-probably the first sensible comment so far but i don’t feel food is a big prob to me as old age and medical conditions take their toll,i’d like nothing more than take to a footy field again,but still even though i may get to make 1 overseas flight before death i have no intention of paying more for a ticket because that will only cause a persecution complex that will just lead to more drama,,,,
@Margot it is nice to hear you are trying to beat your nicotine addiction
i have given up smoking 6 times in the last 45 years for a total of 7 years off the smokes,i don’t know if overeating or being a gluten is the same sort of thing ’ addiction ’ as nicotine but i doubt it, so to help you with your addiction you need to stop smoking for one week,,then realise that the ’ feelings’ you have that make you want to smoke,after a coffee,a beer, sex,kids bad report card, anxiety,resentment,anger,too many bills,,once you no longer feel like a smoke you have got it ’ the addiction ’ beaten,
that’s not going to happen,,so the sooner the government bans them the better for everyone,,,,and Mr England wealthy globetrotter should buy a bike when he reaches his destination , then when its time to leave he can leave it to a children’s charity ,,still be a tax write off ,,yes,,?

Simonious says:

04:54pm | 06/04/11

SSR - I have read through all the comments put here today because as frequent traveller I believe that overweight people should pay for 2 seats if they spill out into another seat. So what i am about to say comes from fact not fiction.  You come across as an extremely offensive human being that hates not just fat people but anyone that has a different view/perspective on life than you do. You constantly attack the person and not the debate and you do so with such venom it can only lead me to the conclusion that you are an A grade arsehole. Before you retort with “I attacked you”  you must understand that you have no debate or valid point to argue with. Just vile bile

Sad Sad Reality says:

11:36pm | 06/04/11

I have an argument. Lets pen these wilderbeasts and force them to become human again.

As for the rest of your self-righteous diatribe, flatery will get you everywhere, Simonious.

fairsfair says:

11:10am | 06/04/11

I don’t think you understand the concept of evolution. It takes more than a couple of generations for change. We haven’t evolved so far as to stop developing an appendix, even though we stopped eating grass thousands of years ago. So unfortunately, going from 50s “averages” to current ones can not be down to evolution. It is lifestyle and general wellbeing.

There is a difference between being curvy and having more rolls than a bakery. I don’t know you personally so have no idea of your size, but rolls of flab do not in anyway create the shape of a “curve”. The bell curve maybe. I am sick of fat people saying that they are curvy, or large. Most aren’t bigger than anyone else in muscular-skeletal mass - they are just fat. They are incased in a thick layer of fat that is brought about by their lifestyle.

Oh and speaking from personal experience - you only call skinny young things “sluts” because you are jealous of them. Way to go grossly generalising a group of people in the same breath you try and fight against descrimination of yourself. Fail.

Sad Sad Reality says:

11:11am | 06/04/11

Real women = No. 1 excuse for disgustingly overweight women to continue their life of gluttony without ever being held to account for the visual and olfactory pollution they create each day.

Do we have a prize for her John?

Elphaba says:

11:23am | 06/04/11

In addition to my post below, BBW, obesity is endemic because we don’t need to chase after our food or run from predators any more.  Our evolution as a species has changed very little - if you run more and eat less, you get skinnier.

Fact.

If Shifter reads this later, I’m eating a pear whilst I type this - not as impresive as the donut yesterday, I know…

BBW and proud says:

11:29am | 06/04/11

@fairsfair its shallow men like you who are the cause for many teens killing themselves because of their body issues! do you feel proud of yourself because of that!

you sicken me!

BBW and proud says:

11:34am | 06/04/11

@Elphaba incorrect! have a look around most people are larger now so we are now the normal ones @Randy for those poor countrys where there is not many larger people around thats because they have little food and are starving DUHHHH!

@randy if a woman is dressed up like a $lut and also dancing like one in a nightclub of coarse im going to put her in her place! not because im jealous of her anorexic little body but because its women like that who bring down the woman race and make men disrespect women and treat them like sex objects

fairsfair says:

12:03pm | 06/04/11

Oh my word.

I think its best if we leave this one well alone.

Elphaba says:

12:04pm | 06/04/11

@BBW, I’m afraid you’re incorrect.  Read a book in between your partying.  Any scientist will tell you we as a species have evolved very little.  When we’re no longer threatened by predators and our packaged food that we don’t need to run after and kill are filled with plenty of refined sugar, salt and fat, we put on weight.  Which is why we need to push through the convenience that pre-packaged food offers us and eat more whole-foods, and commit to exercise so that we don’t gain weight.

People are fatter because of convenience.  No big-toothed predators chasing us, and no chasing of animals and killing them anymore.

Oh, and I’m not anorexic.  Just the regular weight for my height and genes.  I am smarter than you though - that’s a win.

Elphaba says:

12:13pm | 06/04/11

True, @fairsfair, I couldn’t resist another little dig… when these come up, they’re just pure gold.

BBW and proud says:

12:17pm | 06/04/11

@Elphaba just because its in a book does not make it true, did you know that many diet books lie so they can just make money.

maybe you should take a look around and you will see that us larger ones now outnumber the skinny ones so us larger ones are the normal ones and the skinny ones are the abnormal ones.

i bet you used to make fun of the larger people at highschool, how does it feel now that you are now one of the abnormal ones and that us larger people all out number you?

people have to now accept us larger people in the social world, the dating world and the corporate world because we are many! we are large! and we are proud!

don’t like being skinny? stop starving yourself!

Hamish says:

12:39pm | 06/04/11

BBW, is your post intended to be satire? If so, very believable. If not, I think you have a few problems around delusion and jealousy.

What’s a real woman? One who didn’t used to be a dude? Discrimination against transgender people is wrong.

Elphaba says:

12:41pm | 06/04/11

@BBW - fairsfair is right, you’re freakin’ crazy.  But since you asked:

No, I didn’t bully at school - I was the bullied.  I didn’t read it in a diet book, I’ve never read one in my life.  I’m talking about actual scientific journals and documentaries, featuring people who research the human body for a living.

I don’t need to read a diet book to know and excess of processed food plays havoc with your body chemistry, not to mention sets you up for all sorts of nasties like colon cancer.

I love my shape.  I’ve got the right amount of arse too look fab in a pair of jeans without the muffin top exploding over the top. 

Chubby people outweight fat people because a combination of sedentary jobs and high fat/high sugar convenience diets and lack of time set aside for exercise.  I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that - people can be fat, they can be thin, I don’t care.  I’m telling you the facts and you’re scrounging for reasons to justify your weight.  Seriously, it’s embarrassing.  Be BBW if you want - but acknowledge that it is YOUR choice to be so.

JimmyMac says:

12:52pm | 06/04/11

@ BBW I think you have gone a little off topic. The article was about weight, and whether airlines should charge accordingly. But in response to your comments..You seem to think there are only two types of women, anorexic little ‘sluts’ & ‘real’, curvy women. While I agree that there is nothing attractive about a scrawny little thing with bones poking out everywhere, there is also nothing attractive about a big morbo with rolls of fat. There are, however, many body types in between which are attractive.
‘Real women are larger these days’. Yes they are, but this is not a good thing. It is not good for them and it is not good for society as they will potentially cost more to healthcare.

Swarley says:

12:58pm | 06/04/11

“people have to now accept us larger people in the social world, the dating world and the corporate world because we are many! we are large! and we are proud!”

You’ll also be dead in half of our life span and we can get on with insulting your fat little Jaxxyns obese grandkids before we even hit 60.  Enjoy your coronary and just replace everything outside of your reach (like a long life, clothes that fit or, you know, anything you can’t get to via an escalator or a lift) with food.  Have another donut.

Hamish says:

01:20pm | 06/04/11

BBW, are you from Melbourne? If so, which nightclubs do you go to? Personally, I prefer my women skinny. And slutty is a total bonus.

It’s funny, I’d always thought of myself as being ‘real’. Oh well…

BBW and proud says:

01:24pm | 06/04/11

Excuse me Swarley but larger people do not die early! walk down the street and i bet you will see many larger people in their 80’s 90’ and 100’s

people think that being larger is very unhealthy but it is not that unhealthy as many people think it is

alcohol,smoking,  tanning, unprotected sex   is more unhealthy then being a larger person and how many people do those things

and starving yourself to death is even more unhealthy because humans need food to live! do you think that those poor kids in Africa who have no food are more healthy then us larger people?!! because if you do that is very offensive and you should be ashamed of yourself!

Bertie Wooster says:

04:23pm | 06/04/11

BBW @fairsfair its shallow men like you

It is said that fairsfair is a woman who pretends shes a man & ephandra is the wicked witch of the west. Who really knows?

Shifter says:

04:48pm | 06/04/11

A pear?!

Shifter says:

05:00pm | 06/04/11

@BBW - “people have to now accept us larger people in the social world, the dating world and the corporate world because we are many! we are large! and we are proud!”

... and you’re in my way. Would you kindly move? You’re blocking the aisle on the way to my seat.

Elphaba says:

09:05am | 07/04/11

@Shifter, I ate a piece of chocolate slice later on.

Thanks for the music suggestion.

MnM says:

10:46am | 07/04/11

Hang on a second BBW - can I just check that I read your comments here correctly? Do you actually go up to other (slimmer) women in nightclubs and tell them off for what they’re wearing (“putting them in their place”)? Because if so… that’s just plain weird.

Your assertion that large is now normal is incorrect. It’s more prevalent, yes. It’s typical, in fact. This does not make it healthy, or something to aspire to, or something to just sit down and accept. Some of the anti-fat comments here are despicable, but this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t examine what is a significant health problem. (Throwing insults is not a solution to what is often a complex issue.)

Elphaba says:

11:19am | 06/04/11

*sigh*

Addressed @‘BBW and proud’...

Sad Sad Reality says:

11:38am | 06/04/11

I see fat people.

Bilby says:

11:49am | 06/04/11

Men and women are only real when explicitly declared that way. Otherwise they default to integers.

Elphaba says:

11:53am | 06/04/11

@SSR, she probably won’t see my post anyway, so it might as well be a ghost…. :-(

BBW and proud says:

12:43pm | 06/04/11

yes a skinny anorexic woman is a human but shes not normal, larger people are now the norm so this is why we are “real women”

and the air brushed anorexic women in the magazines are not real. its called air brushing for a reason.

Elphaba says:

12:52pm | 06/04/11

@BBW, you mentioned anorexic girls at a nightclub.  They are real.

Normal is a setting on a washing machine, however.  What is normal to you, is not normal to others.

Honestly, you are one of the most judgemental people I’ve ever had the displeasure of speaking to.  How on Earth can you think you’re a better person for being BBW when you spew invective at anyone who isn’t like you?

I’ve got news for you - beauty may be skin deep, but ugly goes to the bone.

Hamish says:

01:35pm | 06/04/11

BBW, I have to ask you something. Why is it that fat women feel they can denigrate slimmer women by saying things like they’re not ‘real’ women or not ‘normal’? Or use the classic gender-traitor term, ‘sluts’? In my experience, most slim people will be overly nice to fat people for fear of hurting their feelings, yet fat people seem perfectly happy to talk about how better looking women than them aren’t ‘normal’. It’s a problem really because fat people need to understand that as much as people don’t like to offend them, it’s not healthy or attractive to be fat.

I mean I sit at work all day watching this woman constantly eat. I shit you not, every time I go to speak to her she is shovelling something in her mouth. And she’s not even that fat, but she whinges all the time about how she can’t lose weight. And being fat affects her self-esteem (as it clearly has with you too). I want to say to her - dude, with the amount you eat, you’re not even that fat, you could probably drop quite a few kilos if you just stopped eating constantly and maybe only ate something, like, once every 15 minutes. But I can’t bring myself to do it…it’s very strange. 

And sure it’s not healthy being anorexic either, but there’s plenty of real estate bewteen anorexic and fat.

Shifter says:

05:08pm | 06/04/11

@Elphaba - continuing my fortnight of obscure comments and music pimping…

The Dreaming - Beautiful

(which was renamed Ugly on second release mainly because people don’t do irony well).

Randy Marsh says:

11:25am | 06/04/11

this was a reply to “BBW ”  a few posts above

Sad Sad Reality says:

11:30am | 06/04/11

And those without a spine will always find it hard to support their own thesis.

James1 says:

11:31am | 06/04/11

I should add, this goes for the fat people displaying such defects as well.

Randy Marsh says:

11:52am | 06/04/11

so its rude to tell someone that eating lots of junk food and not exercising is unhealthy? then why do we tell smokers that smoking is unhealthy? double standards much?

get over yourself! its not rude to explain the facts! should we just lie and say “being overweight is healthy and will not kill you” to make people feel better about themselves?

James1 says:

11:53am | 06/04/11

Thanks SSR for providing the support for my thesis.

JudyG says:

11:59am | 06/04/11

James1 - you are obviously a gentleman and thank you for your comments - to all the nasty people above - just remember - there by the grace of God go I - I hope you never experience anything that will take you out of your obviously perfect little world - you will be totally fubarred - You have a syndrome you know its called “The Mary Poppins Syndrome” perfect in almost every way - I just don’t know how you can live in a world of mere mortals! Selfish, self centred, egotistical aholes

James1 says:

12:00pm | 06/04/11

Still stalking I see.  Do you have a point, or do you just enjoy being rude to everyone?  Last time I checked, anonymous internet stalking is a pretty spineless activity…

So that makes you a hypocrital, spineless stalker.  Not much glory there.

James1 says:

12:06pm | 06/04/11

That is not what I was referring to Randy.  I was referring to the rudeness and insults.  Not everything is about you - perhaps you should take your own advice.

Elphaba says:

12:14pm | 06/04/11

@James1, you’re awesome, of course you’ve got a stalker, because all the awesome people have them.

James1 says:

12:37pm | 06/04/11

Randy, I have reviewed your remarks, and find nothing that can be classed as insults and rudeness.  The ones to which I refer are encapsulated by SSR on the thin side, and BBW on the not thin side.

Does that clarify matters?

Sad Sad Reality says:

12:45pm | 06/04/11

Step 1: Post a bleeding heart comment on a public blog.
Step 2: Receive a reply not to your liking.
Step 3: Attempt to avoid all accountability for your illy conceived comment by soaking yourself in melodrama.
Step 4: Flatter yourself by framing the comment as stalking.
Step 5: Return to your teaching job and permanently retard the intellectual development of children.

Success. The James1 way.

James1 says:

01:05pm | 06/04/11

SSR,

I am not a teacher.

I think it is stalking if you follow me around, insulting me at every chance.

Is it really so bad to expect that mature adults can discuss issues in a mature way?  Is it ill-conceived to expect adults to act in a way commensurate with their age?  I apologise if that is beyond you, but it is you that has the issue, not me, and you constantly display those issues and insecurities on these pages through your bullying.

For example, you call me a coward for disappearing for a week.  I tell you why I disappeared.  You insult me for explaining my absense.

Step 1. Insult a person.
Step 2. Feign outrage that they expect better of educated adults.
Step 3. Refuse to engage on the issues, and continue with ad hominems.
Step 4. Claim victory.

Success, the SSR way.

Sad Sad Reality says:

01:58pm | 06/04/11

James1, I never accused you of being a coward for being away for a week. I accused you of being a coward for refusing to continue a conversation in which your store bought ideology was being methodically eviscerated. You were still posting comments the day I accused you of cowardice. Hence the accusation. The desire to use your ill daughter as a sympathy generating excuse was all yours. And a pretty pathetic one I might add. She deserves better.

Keep posting the easy answers, James1. Refuse to look at untarnished reality. Keep memorising the percentages, making ridiculous comments like, “All terrorists aren’t Muslim” as if the 0.01% of terrorists that aren’t Muslim matter to someone climbing onto a plane. Keep following your pandering, weak, left-leaning posts on every question offered by the Punch, and I will keep replying. That’s what balance is all about.

James1 says:

02:49pm | 06/04/11

Left leaning?  How do you figure that?  You really are detatched from reality.  However, if it is left leaning to not think we should be eradicating Muslims, then I guess I must be left leaning.  Please note - to attack a person does not “methodically eviscerate” their point.  It simply shows your lack of depth, the bankruptcy of your intellect, and your distinct lack of a counter-argument.

BTW, insults are not balance.  They don’t really bother me - I went to primary school too.  Difference is, some of us moved beyond bullying to bigger and better debating techniques.  Perhaps if you could discuss an issue, I might continue responding.  All you give me to respond to is a series of ad hominems, which you constantly shift around to suit the point you are making that day.  Makes a reasonably, adult discussion almost impossible.  Seems rather cowardly to me, that you can not rely on your arguments to win a discussion, and must instead resort to such low tactics as ad hominem attacks.

Which makes me wonder why I bother, really.  Perhaps I shouldn’t any more, but the SSR comedy show is just so entertaining.

leg room rules says:

12:23pm | 06/04/11

No fair, they are already advantaged with those short legs of theirs.

Geoff - Brisbane says:

02:31pm | 06/04/11

One thing we can all agree on is that there is a large problem, and the solution really is a little simplistic (Eat healthy and excersise)

Kika says:

01:37pm | 06/04/11

yeah but what if the fatties can’t ‘brace for impact’ properly in their seats and get wiped out from the force of the impact into the ocean? Then their bodies wedged into their seats and the fuselage won’t help anybody!

Ripa says:

03:14pm | 06/04/11

I can think of a good reason,

Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571

Plenty to go round.

James1 says:

12:19pm | 06/04/11

You should care.  I am not saying there are no valid criticisms to be made here.  I am saying we should be doing it in a civilised way, otherwise this becomes a playground spat, rather than a reasoned debate.

Didn’t your mothers ever teach you that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar?  Indeed, I am beginning to wonder at the upbringing of many of the regular trolls on The Punch.  There has been a marked deterioration in the tenor of discussion on this site this year.  It makes me a little sad, that such a good idea can be abused to belittle others to boost flagging egos.

notSue says:

02:58pm | 06/04/11

Marry me, James1!

Oh drat, I’m already married. ..but I’m up for experimentation with polyandry

Kika says:

01:34pm | 06/04/11

I agree - the NTSB in the US said the same thing in the 80’s I think. It’s not about discrimination - it’s about getting their take off and fuel consumption calculations right!! Safety, not discrimination!!!

BBW and proud says:

12:53pm | 06/04/11

let me explain something, most larger people have different thyroid’s so that mean’s that even if we starved ourselves and only ate fruit like your saying we will still be a larger size.

there is nothing wrong with being larger and lots of larger people live till they are 100, go and have a look in any nursing home your bound to find some larger people who lived a long life there.

If being larger is not as unhealthy as people make it out to be and we cant lose weight because of our typhoid then whats the point in giving up on the finer foods in life?

people just need to accept that us larger people are here to stay! we are large and proud and very attractive  

(quote of the day “only a dog wants a bone, real men want a real woman with curves”)

fairsfair says:

01:18pm | 06/04/11

you are deluded I am sorry.

typhoid

How the use of one word can prove so much. You probably profess to know heaps about climate change and stuff too.

The health care profession is stretched so much as it is. If it only took one nurse to haul you out of bed and onto the commode instead of three, maybe the hospital system would be a lot better off.

Onya Robert S - thats a fair effort and a top post.

Nurse David says:

02:31pm | 06/04/11

No, “BBW and proud”, most fat people do not have “different thyroids”. A tiny percentage of fat people suffer from malfunctioning thyroid glands.

Even the most cursory research will show you that. If one has tested positive for a malfunctioning thyroid there are many options available for treatment.

Thyroid conditions are serious and need proper diagnosis and treatment. They are not something to invoke because you can’t control your food intake. The health issues that accompany an underactive (and overactive, for that matter) thyroid go far beyond weight loss/gain.

Because the fact is you are much more likely to not have any thyroid condition - you just eat too much.

Further, there is a lot wrong with being fat. No - “lots” of fat people do not live to be 100. Fat people have a plethora of health problems as they age. If you are fat you too will get these problems.

You are abdicating responsibility by trying to blame your gluttony on a medical condition you do not have. You are also insulting those people who actually do have thyroid conditions, and devaluing their experience.

I’d suggest you get your thyroid function tested and get back to us.

Sarah says:

02:55pm | 06/04/11

@bbw - honey no, most larger people do not have different thyroids, in fact it’s something like only 1% of larger people have a thyroid problem that makes it hard for them to lose weight. I hate to break it to you, but all of those other larger people are simply eating more calories than their body burns in a day.
I used to be one of them, using the thyroid excuse too, but I got tested and nope, no thyroid problem. However by simply by eating less calories than what my body burns in a day, I have gone from 120kgs to 68kgs. And guess, what, I have that sexy curvy hourglass shape that you’re always harping on about.
So if you think you can’t lose weight because of your thyroid, I strongly urge you to get tested by your doctor so that you really can use that as your excuse for being overweight…

BBW and proud says:

03:12pm | 06/04/11

excuse me Nurse David how dare you come on to this form and judge me like that! you do not know me so how dare you be judgmental! when i was younger i tried diet’s but they didn’t work because its imposable for me to lose weight because this is the way i was built! i am now happy with my curves and i am more healthy then those anorexic girls who throw up their meals.

you sir are a judgmental person and you should be ashamed of your self! how dare you judge against a proved medical condition what many people have! are you going to judge someone who is handicapped next?

Tombowler says:

03:40pm | 06/04/11

Oh sweet jesus:

If you are fat enough to make up a ‘Thyroid’ (as opposed to ‘typhoid, you moron)  problem then you are not attractive.

As Sarah pointed out, these problems are rare. I know a doctor at Western Health (vic) who tells me about the parade of obese f@cktards who rock in whingeing about their inablitity to lose weight. Legal issues prevent him from beating them around the ears with his stethoscope and tatooing ‘fat f#ck’ on the forehead but rest assured he knows they aren’t long for this earth.

This whole ‘fat and proud’ concept is based on the idea that if people are fat enough they will become the new norm and thus acceptable sexual fodder. This is a sad misconceived concept and the only evidence for wBidespread acceptance is the disturbing prediliction for ‘chubby-chasing’ of a perverted and sexually deranged minority.

I have many fat jovial friends and they all pretend to love being the fat, funny guy at parties but if one looks a little deeper it’s not hard to see that they die a little on the inside knowing that the only time they pick up is well after midnight when some poor trollop is too drunk to see that they aren’t actually engaging in a threesome…..

Lose the weight honey. Theres nothing sadder than a fat f#ck under the impression that it’s anything other than disgusting, unhealthy and the fault of genetics rather than a prediliction to cheeseburgers and laziness.

Jag says:

11:06pm | 06/04/11

let me explain something, most larger people have different thyroid’s so that mean’s that even if we starved ourselves and only ate fruit like your saying we will still be a larger size.

Bullshit. You are simply fat and lazy and refuse to take responsibility for your own life.

Minnie says:

04:59am | 07/04/11

@BBW….absolute bulldust! Fat people do not have ‘different thyroids’. Hypothyroidism (a low functioning thyroid) is very easily detected with a quick blood test. Results within, oh, about an hour. There are obvious tell-tale symptoms (putting on weight, hair loss, thickened skin, tiredness, grumpiness etc). If you have these symptoms, get a blood test for thyroid function. If you have hypothyroidism, it is easily reversed by taking medication daily (small tablets). I diagnosed my father…his doctor sent him for tests…he now takes pills….several decades later he is still slim and trim. So, no, a thyroid won’t make you fat for the long-term. And, in the reverse situation, an overactive thyroid will have you losing weight faster than you can say ‘boo’. Fat people are fat because they eat too much, eat too much high-kilojoule food, and don’t move enough. I have respect for fat people…it takes a lot of dedicated laziness and overeating to get that fat. God knows I try, but perhaps I shouldn’t walk everywhere. Clearly I am never going to be fat!

Sad Sad Reality says:

01:00pm | 06/04/11

Yeah. If only all Islamists were fat. Then we’d have an article.

stephen says:

12:42pm | 06/04/11

Well now if I see you on a plane,
I’ll know the other Leah’s caught the train.

Knemon says:

12:51pm | 06/04/11

Leah - Some problems with your point - Fat people can also be pretentious judgemental wank’s. The other problem is, why shouldn’t fat people upgrade to business class? Seeing they’re the ones that can’t fit into economy seats!!

Leah says:

01:26pm | 06/04/11

@Knemon - for the sake of your nit picking - I would rather sit next to a polite fat person that a pretentious judgmental wank of any size.

And yes if a fat person wants to be comfortable on an airline they should upgrade to business class.

As uncomfortable as it may be to have a large stranger encroaching on your personal space, I can’t imagine how uncomfortable it is to be obese and crammed into a small space for hours and hours at a time.

I’m sure though you understand the extraordinary cost involved with an upgrade to business class travel and while its nice to assume all large people are wealthy it’s simply not the case.

Limiting the ability of the overweight to see interstate family and have overseas experiences by making the cost prohibitive is a wonderful idea! Lets make them feel so awful about there existence that they just seek refuge in food and become even larger! Terrific! Woo!

Randy Marsh says:

01:48pm | 06/04/11

Leigh, overweight people can also be judgmental and bitter (take a look at BBW’s posts)

you will not like sitting next to an overweight person as you will lose 1/2 of your seat what you paid for and your trip will be unpleasant

what they should do is charge overweight people for 2 seast or make the overweight people sit next to each other

Elphaba says:

12:58pm | 06/04/11

Agreed.  Particularly with the deplorable state of domestic flights these days.  In the last six months, I don’t think a single flight I’ve been on as taken off on time - and yes, that includes Qantas!

James1 says:

01:30pm | 06/04/11

I recently flew to Geelong on a RAAF Hercules that took off 45 minutes late.  We were the only plane flying out of Fairbairn that day, yet still there were delays.

CD says:

02:43pm | 06/04/11

Correct. They meld flight into one if they don’t have enough cargo or passengers to fill two.  This has been happening for years.  The Airlines want to reduce weight so they can take on more cargo.  This makes them far more $$$$$$$‘s that a cheap, cheep airfare.  They couldn’t give a dam about the passenger.  It’s like travelling by public transport now.  Oh what a shame it was when the good old days were wrecked by the “I want a cheap deal” budget traveller emerged from the woodwork. It’s a wonder they don’t take their big plasma television set to show how classy they are.  They’d probably break open a six pack on board if they could.  Thongs, dirty toenails, smelly Tee shirts, picking their noses and letting off wind.  Not so classy after all.  Qantas is the pitts with that import Joyce as CEO, what chance has it got, especially with the previous CEO Geoff (I couldn’t give a rats) Dixon at the wheel. None, zip, zero.  Line the pockets of the shareholders.  Don’t worry about maintenance anymore.  Other airlines crash, so what.  Unfortunately that is the attitude now. Don’t bully passengers who are overweight.  You don’t know them, nor their circumstances.  Have a go at the CEO instead.  If you think airlines care think again people.

Amy Sturt says:

03:00pm | 06/04/11

I think you’ll find the concession there is the leg room you get sitting in the exit row…

Elphaba says:

03:22pm | 06/04/11

Yeah… you didn’t tell anyone off.

Embarrassing yourself by showing you don’t read, watch educational television, visit the doctor, and justify being a judgemental cow whilst stuffing your face and cooing about how ‘real’ you are - yep, you did that.

PJ says:

04:06pm | 06/04/11

BBW,

I have read your bs all through this blog.  For someone against judgemental behaviour, you seem to be doing more than your fair share of it yourself.  Perhaps one and a half seats worth?

Kika says:

04:21pm | 06/04/11

It’s not about the cash, its about the calculations the guys fuelling the plane and the pilots make to calculate the fuel consumption & thrust required to get airborne.

Tombowler says:

03:30pm | 06/04/11

Your boyfriend sounds like a tool…

Probably should pay more for boring the rest of the passengers on the flight to Bali (Sound like the sorta twat that goes to bali to walk shirtless and hassle locals out of 20cents for bintang singlets) about his ‘Hip-Hop Abs’ Dvd.

You and your tiresome boyfriend should be forced to pay an extra tariff for using words like ‘superfit’ (sic) and failing to recognize that in this day and age, pumping weights is an exercise in total stupidity.

The goal here is: Lift heavy objects so as to be able to lift even heavier objects.

If this helps with your career then some poor choices have been made in the past.

I wish you and your boyfriend all the best with your next glassing/meat-tray winning/plasma-purchase/tattoo selection.

Randy Marsh says:

04:34pm | 06/04/11

Tombowler and you sound jealous to me?

i do understand that it must suck for you seeing all the fit guys get a woman when you cant, do you cry your self to sleep because of this?

at the end of the day you jealous people can harp on as much as you want about how boring or dumb fit people are but that does not change the fact that women love fit guys.

I’m a personal trainer myself and women love me and most of my female clients have hot on me from time to time (even the ones with boyfriends/husbands)  and yes i have slept with a few of the hot ones

but you go right ahead and put us fit men down to make yourself feel better im fit and im very happy with my life and its far from boring

Tombowler says:

05:44pm | 06/04/11

Well randy, I’m very happy for you- finding fulfilment out of f#cking other peoples wives and all that…

Top stuff champ.

I wouldn’t say I’m unfit- I keep quite fit (smoker though). I do however those you believe it is some sort of yardstick of accomplishment to be insufferable tools however. I’m equally happy you’ve found a career so devoid of intellect and so superficial so as to allow you to spend time with those who place marital fidelity as being ‘optional’.

If believing that those with more money, brains (and dare I say it) looks would be jealouse of you and your so called “career” gets you through the day, then more power to you.

Enjoy your life, happy in the knowledge that when you physical strength and the shallow, married trophy wives have long since abandoned you that your net contribution to this earth was zero.

All the best.

Randy Marsh says:

06:11pm | 06/04/11

Tombowler its the married woman’s choice to sleep with me this is not Iraq and women have more freedoms in this country.
my career is good as any i help people become more healthy and that saves their life’s, besides the money one makes from being a personal trainer on call (not just in a gym) is quite good (last year my total income was $74k)

Gordicans says:

11:15am | 07/04/11

Trouble is the plane will lurch out of the sky when the food trolley is wheeled in.  They’d all run for it at the same time thus putting the plane completely out of balance.  Simple physics.  Good idea though.  Maybe put tethers on them.

PJ says:

04:09pm | 06/04/11

So Troy,

Is okay, that I spend the flight sitting half on top of you?

Tombowler says:

05:57pm | 06/04/11

Randy:

“us fit people worked bloody hard for our bodys and we deserve to be attractive and respected.”

You don’t deserve sh@t... You most likely are more attractive than the fat dross writing all over this post but you hardly deserve to be respected for it.

Try achieving something real or meaningful, then perhaps, you will “deserve respect”

Having a good body is great but it’s rather meaningless in a modern society- spending your life lifting weights and running on a treadmill doesn’t make you a better class of person. Most people manage that and a productive job of work at which they gain respect based on merit; not on some arbitrary yardstick of ‘fitness’.

Fitness is deservant of respect where it comes with elite sporting achievement i.e. olympic gold, brownlow medal etc…  Of itself, fitness is worth no more than the merit one gives another for eating well, keeping their teeth clean or any of the other mundane aspects that are part of ‘taking care of oneself’.

Your argument could be applied identically to clean teeth and be no less ridiculous: as follows:

“People with dirty teeth have to do a few things if they want to fit in with society.

1. Understand that their *crap teeth* is their problem and fault and stop making excuses, thy know what they have to do to *clean their teeth*.

2.stop being so bitter and jealous towards us *white teeth* people (@BBW im looking at you) us people with *clean teeth* worked bloody hard for our *glowing smiles* and we deserve to be attractive and respected.

3. understand that your *teeth* affects others like during air travel where *their disgusting breath is smelled by someone else* so *people with dirty teeth* should stop being so selfish and pay for 2 seats.

further more people *with dirty teeth* must understand that they are a burden on the taxpayer and the *dental* system at the end of the day if even half of the *scummy teeth* people in this country started looking after themselves we will save a lot of tax and free up alot of *dental chairs*

oh and *crap teeth* people have to stop getting angry when someone says that their lifestyle is unhealthy because that is just simple fact. “

Do you see what a dumb self-righteouss f#ck you are now?

I will go ahead and say you don’t… Your post had all the syntactical beauty of a flatulent rhinocerous and such a fourth grade writing level as yours does not lend itself to someone with the brains to be able to cogently and rationally identifiy and follow any logical path. Simply put: You are too stupid to understand that your stupid and will continue to believe the crap you spout no matter how false it is demonstrated to be.

Life will be hard on you my semi-coherent friend… I feel for you..

Randy Marsh says:

06:20pm | 06/04/11

Tombowler

Quote> “Having a good body is great but it’s rather meaningless in a modern society- spending your life lifting weights and running on a treadmill doesn’t make you a better class of person.”

Having a good body is great because it makes you a healthy person what has many advantages in modern society- spending time lifting weights and running on a treadmill makes your a healthier person who will live a longer and happier life

quote> “Of itself, fitness is worth no more than the merit one gives another for eating well, keeping their teeth clean or any of the other mundane aspects that are part of ‘taking care of oneself’.”

Fitness and health keeps you healthy! so you live longer! healthiness is a good thing and being fit attracts the other sex and has other advantages.

Quote> “Your argument could be applied identically to clean teeth and be no less ridiculous: as follows:”

bad teeth and bad health are 2 different things if your overweight you will die early and your quality of life will not be so great.

sounds like you’re being judgmental against fit and healthy people here. can you please look up the words “bitter” and jealously” for me?

anyway im off to enjoy my healthy and long life and enjoy the attention from the female sex.

and you go back to your video games and KFC and cursing society

Tombowler says:

07:40pm | 06/04/11

Dude your a pathetic, narcissitic, self-absorbed, insecure loser…

“Off to enjoy the attention of the opposite sex”

You sound like a 17 year old girl; probably share a lot of interests and a common intellect. I’m not unhealthy, fat nor do I eat KFC- play a lot of video-games though by the by…

Suggest you try reading a book or something before your tiny brain collapses under the weight of it’s own contradictions. You twat.

Randy Marsh says:

09:46pm | 06/04/11

Tombowler

So looking after your health keeping fit and enjoying sex with attractive females makes me a bad person? oh lordly then I’m a bad person.

Envy is a sin

Al Chunk says:

06:27pm | 06/04/11

“...improve their chances in the world”.  Clive Palmer seems to have been able to improve his chances quite well without too much exercise. 
Sorry Clive, no offence intended.

Shifter says:

06:34pm | 06/04/11

Don’t know about that Wazza, I’m fit enough and can’t be bothered with dizzy and brainless females.

Shifter says:

11:50pm | 06/04/11

This is going to be completely unhelpful, but I always thought a metric fucktonne of protein supplements was the way to go. Isn’t that what the get huge ads are pimping today?

JimmyMac says:

04:52am | 07/04/11

Now that’s a way for airlines to make money… open a book on whether the morbo (morbidly obese) passenger can fit in the cage.
On a side note.. do you think that the armrest under the ‘man’ in the photo was ever usable again? I really hope it was thoroughly cleaned.

JimmyMac says:

12:39pm | 07/04/11

“Surely you can’t be serious” “Of course I’m serious. And don’t call me Shirley”
Took me a while to place the quote.

BBW and proud says:

11:44am | 07/04/11

the anorexic should be made to eat.

Critic says:

10:26am | 07/04/11

Except a lot of people here are Generation X…

Randy Marsh says:

10:44am | 07/04/11

No pat people don’t like sitting next to a fat person because they don’t want the armrest and 1/3 of their seat gobbled up by your fat, answer me this would you like to lose 1/3 of the seat that you paid for?

BTW im a personal trainer and you can lose weight but your just not working hard enough and your full of excuses and deep down you know im correct,

BBW and proud says:

11:43am | 07/04/11

what the shallow people dont understand PAT is that there are many reasons why someones larger and its not always because of junk food most larger people have different typhoid’s now and dont like to throw up their meals like the anorexic people do

BBW and proud says:

11:41am | 07/04/11

maybe the airlines should improve the safety on their aircraft then and for the larger people on the street why are you in such a hurry to overtake them if you overtake them then get hit by a car thats your won fault

BBW and proud says:

11:07am | 07/04/11

i did address it, its not the larger persons fault its the airlines fault for making their seats so small so they make more money! do dont blame the larger person blame the greedy airlines

PJ says:

11:38am | 07/04/11

BBW,

So if you require three seats to fit, they should supply seats three people wide in the plane?  This would divide passenger numbers by three and triple the cost of the ticket?  This is your solution?

Why is a business greedy if it tries to make a profit?  If anything the airlines are less greedy compared to what they were charging 10 - 20 years ago…how does this fit in with your theory?

JimmyMac says:

02:56pm | 07/04/11

You really need to take a good look at yourself BBW. “It’s the airlines fault for making the seats so small.” I am mildly overweight (178cm 91kg) and fit comfortably within my seat. If the seat can fit me but not you, then it is not too small, you are too big.
And your reply to Jannestig is absurd. The comment said walk around not overtake. So if a morbo is coming towards me on the footpath I should let them walk over me? Even if she was trying to overtake why does she deserve to get hit by a car? Why is it so bad that she wants to get somewhere faster?
On a side not please try to add some punctuation, other than exclamation marks, it is very hard to read. And why is it that you hardly ever use capitals, unless it is “I”?

Randy Marsh says:

11:13am | 07/04/11

this thread shows what the public relay think about overweight people, the public has had enough of their laziness and their excuses and the era where overweight people will be shunned in public everyday is about to begin

PJ says:

11:41am | 07/04/11

Is allowing ‘your’ blubber to encroach into someone else’s personal space, that they paid for, mean at all?

Why is it these fatties feel they have the right to ‘spread’ themselves further than what they paid for?

Can I rest my feet on your hide, just to stretch out?  Since you are doing the same to me?