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Earlier this year a mate and I drove 300km across North Carolina to have a pork sandwich. The town of Lexington is the capital of what our American friends call “barbecue” –slow-cooked, shredded pork shoulder served with a vinegary chilli sauce and coleslaw. You can feel your heart slowing down as you eat it and I cannot recommend it highly enough.

The Reverend Briggs lets his opinions be known.

Heading west from Lexington, towards the hillbilly heartland of the Appalachian Mountains, we saw a huge billboard on the side of one of the backroads.

It said: “You are now entering Klan Country” and bore the swastika-inspired logo of the Ku Klux Klan and a huge Confederate Flag.

My first reaction on seeing the billboard was to wonder how anyone could have got away with putting it up. A more difficult question perhaps is how anyone could get away with taking it down.

The right to put an opinion, however inflammatory or troubling or offensive it may be, is one of the hallmarks of democracy.

In the United States it is enshrined in the Constitution. The First Amendment means that you can not only put up a billboard celebrating the work of a despicable organisation which has historically supported the lynching of black people, it also means that in this most hyper-nationalistic of nations, you have a legal right to burn the American flag.

This week in Sydney, hilariously enough in the counter-culture suburb of Newtown, which is positively crawling with lefties, artist Sergio Redegalli faced universal condemnation over his inflammatory mural featuring a veiled Muslim woman inside a circled red line reading “Say no to burqas.”

Marrickville Council – one of the first in Australia to declare itself nuclear-free, thus preventing an arms race between Petersham and Stanmore – said that while it had no legal power to force the removal of the mural on Mr Redegalli’s private wall, it had sent staff to the artist’s house and asked him to cover it up voluntarily.

You can see why the council would do so. As the president of the National Muslim Women’s Network Australia, Aziza Abdel-Halim, said in Sydney, Mr Redegalli’s mural is “an immature way of starting a debate.”

It’s certainly that. It’s already been defaced, twice. It will probably get defaced again now that it’s been the subject of so much media coverage. The council has received several complaints about the mural, and is understandably concerned that it could become the flashpoint for a nastier brand of payback.

It’s not a particularly good bit of art either. The woman looks cartoonish, and it’s unlikely Mr Redegalli will be making the shortlist in the Archibalds any time soon.

For all these considerations, it is still an impertinence for the council to approach Mr Redegalli about taking down his silly mural.
In demanding its removal, Ms Abdel-Halim thundered that the image was “disrespectful and insulting” and had no place in modern Australia.

The problem with this mindset is that it overlooks the long-standing role of free speech in Australia.

Ms Abdel-Halim should be politely reminded that if you are going to make your home in a country such as Australia, and benefit from all the freedoms on offer in this open and democratic society of ours, you can’t be picky as to how those freedoms apply.

The right to start debates in an immature way, to be disrespectful and insulting, is among those freedoms.

I am not sure what Mr Redegalli’s mural adds to the debate about whether burqas should be banned. In this country, where people are generally political ambivalent, where we don’t march down the street unless we’re going in a fun run or walking to the footy, Mr Redegalli stands as one of those mildly annoying trouble-makers who makes the rest of us roll our eyes.

As such, the only people we should really feel sorry for in this little episode are his poor neighbours. They have suddenly found that their once sleepy side-street in hip and groovy Newtown has become the venue for one man’s poorly-painted crusade against a religion that’s still grappling with the pretty simple idea of freedom of speech.

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- BobM says:
  
  07:24am | 26/09/10
  
  Apparently freedom of speech is allowed in Australia only if it is ‘politically correct’ speech. If the mural had depicted a priest instead of a burqa clad woman, no-one would have said boo.
  
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The Scarlet Pimpernel says:

06:35pm | 26/09/10

Agreed, in spades.

Oops, can I say that?
acotrel says:

10:47pm | 26/09/10

‘If the mural had depicted a priest instead of a burqa clad woman, no-one would have said boo. ‘

Don’t you mean:
‘If the mural had depicted a mad monk, instead of a burqa clad woman, no-one would have said boo. ’ ?
- Max Vaunted says:
  
  07:32am | 26/09/10
  
  “The rest us roll our eyes”, Paul? I expect you’re referring to the eminently superior cafe latte set, because I’m not rolling mine. Perhaps I’m just not one of “us”, but I reckon the mutton-copped one has a point and I don’t believe I’m alone in my view.
  
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rick says:

07:56pm | 26/09/10

Actually Max it seems, from the majority of the comments here and the previous punch articles, that you are far from alone in your view.
- Matt says:
  
  07:42am | 26/09/10
  
  If freedom of speech is to have any meaning at all it must apply to those opinions that we disagree with. After all, who is going to object to the expressions of opinions that are popular.
  
  If the government can stifle this man’s freedom of expression, what is stopping them stifling the objector’s at a later date. Surely it is safer for all to support the expression of any opinion, however vile, to be sure that you retain your own right to free speech.
  
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- Eric says:
  
  07:45am | 26/09/10
  
  I wonder how many of those who object to this mural on grounds of it being “disrespectful and insulting” to religion, are fans of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence?
  
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- Envious Christian says:
  
  07:45am | 26/09/10
  
  It is sickening to see the Lefty progressives come out and condemn the removal of the Burqa mural, then applaud the bravery of any two bit artist that ridicules or offends Christianity no matter how disgusting the so called “Art’ is.
  
  It seems that the progressive Lefties in our society are Terrified of Islam and have given Muslims a special protected status of, “Race”, in our society that no other Religion , especially Christians, are entitled to.
  
  I must admit I admire Muslims for the way they don’t take crap from anyone & have the Arts community and other Lefties under their control, rushing to the defence of Islam as soon as a Muslim anywhere in the world takes offence.
  
  Reverend Briggs and other US Christians maybe employing the passive aggressive tactics that Islam uses so successfully in Europe and Australia
  to intimidate the chattering classes.
  
  I only wish that Australian & European Christians had the courage & will to adopt the same tactics of Muslims and US Christians , man, would you Atheists be on the ropes then.
  You guys would be so afraid of us you would finally stop discriminating against Christians and give us the same respect you give to Muslims.
  
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Dan says:

10:29am | 26/09/10

People don’t attack Islam because they are ‘Terrified’ of Islam (god, you’re ignorant), but because people generally criticise their own religions. But then again, considering the fact that the media attacks Islam all the time (but not Christianity), perhaps it is Christianity which is the intimidating one. Maybe people are afraid of Christianity.

You must live a pretty sad existence if you think everything comes down to fear.
lune for pm says:

10:42am | 26/09/10

No religions are truely compatable with democracy. Its only because Christianity has been bent to the will of democratized nations that it has become a shadow of its wicked self.
Why would any one living in a free sociery be so admiring of a organization that doesn’t “take crap from anyone & have the Arts community and other Lefties under their control” ??
Reg says:

11:14am | 26/09/10

My goodness, how revealing.

Starting with envy, taking offense on behalf of every two-bit Christian, classifying every raised eyebrow as being “Lefty progressives” and then flopping exhausted behind your own fear of being displaced by the Moslem hordes. Topped off with a swipe at the chattering classes while gazing dejectedly at your unused toe-cutters.

Who’s feeling neglected now?
Tedd says:

11:28am | 26/09/10

They mostly do respect Christians, Muslims, and other people of belief as equally as people of ‘abelief’.

It is the institutions and the chest-beating of their leaders we don’t respect, as well as ridiculous fallacies, such as those of Rev Briggs in David Penberthy’s article above, or recent pronouncements of religious leaders linking abelief to Nazism.

Too much commentary has become negative and reactionary to such negativity.
austin 3:16 says:

02:31pm | 26/09/10

It’s a good thing then we live in a secular state, and that freedom is speech is a secular value.

Also ain’t is weird that if Islam is the protected religion and Christianity is the persecuted one that we are talking about a “Say no to burqas” mural, not say a mural featuring a nun with a “break the habit” tag line. It’s almost as though your comments have a very minimal correlation to reality
David T says:

08:09pm | 26/09/10

I consider myself to be in your own words a “Progressive Lefty” and I ain’t afraid of Islam nor do I blindly side with the islam side of every single debate, for one I supported Draw Muhammad Day I also didn’t support either christians or muslims attack on the guy who smoked pages from the Qu’ran and Bible because it’s his right to freedom of speech even though I don’t agree with what he did, he didn’t deserve to lose his job over it.

I don’t support banning the burqa because that in itself is suppressing freedom of speech, many women I’ve talked to at my university who wear the burqa say they choose to wear it by their own choice, some have a self image issue, others say they want to respect their faith to the highest degree but not in the way the media plays it out to be like if you know what I mean.
acotrel says:

10:51pm | 26/09/10

Who said ‘Islam is the communism of the 21st century’? Wee Georgie, doing his bit for ‘peace in our time’?
Liz says:

07:47am | 27/09/10

There’s nothing passive-aggressive about American Funamental Christianity.There’s nothing democratic about some of the things done in the name of Christianity in America either.
Rights we take for granted here in Australia are unavailable in America.For instance adoptees in most States have no right to know who they really are or have access to their birth information, something we now take for granted.It is the Christian right lobbyists who have created that lack of rights and freedom.
Jon says:

08:07am | 27/09/10

Dan, Pot calling the kettle black. The debate seems it be which are the biggest victims of those brutish Atheists, attacking them using facts, reason and logic, Islam or Christianity?

I would say the most deserving of criticism and current world leader would be Islam and for obvious reasons. However there are still some of the Christian and Jewish teams still in the race who may give them a run. But Islam does have good PR manager in the “Lefty progressives” so they may be able to spin themselves into second position.
Dan says:

01:22am | 28/09/10

Jon, ’ Pot calling the kettle black.’

What are you on about? Could you at least attempt to make sense? This is absurd, and coming from you, that says a lot.

‘The debate seems it be which are the biggest victims of those brutish Atheists, attacking them using facts, reason and logic, Islam or Christianity?’

What? Did you read EC’s post? BTW, ‘using facts, reason and logic’? Right, except why is then that when you write about Islam and the burka and sharia, you don’t use facts, reason and logic?! You sure have a high opinion of yourself.

Anyway, EC’s post had nothing to do with athiests.

” I would say the most deserving of criticism and current world leader would be Islam and for obvious reasons.”

I would say Christianity, and for obvious reasons. Except people don’t merely criticise Islam; people, like you, villify it.

“However there are still some of the Christian and Jewish teams still in the race who may give them a run.”

There are also non-believers like you who deserve all the criticism they receive. You are an extremist and you are no different to the religious fanatics you claim to hate!

” But Islam does have good PR manager in the “Lefty progressives” so they may be able to spin themselves into second position.”

PR managers, spin. Maybe, just maybe, people defend Islam because we BELIEVE it deserves to be defended, especially from Islamopohobes like you! Because of your igorance and extremism, you will never accept that people defend/support Islam because they believe it deserves to be so, which is pathetic really.
- iansand says:
  
  07:52am | 26/09/10
  
  Why is saying that it is an immature way to start a debate restricting anyone’s right to free speech?
  
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Reg says:

11:32am | 26/09/10

I’m sure it’s clear that the council, in asking that the sign be removed is exercising its tactful right to say that the suburb expects more of its residents. If they don’t have the where-with-all to raise a council objection or indulge in a worthwhile conflagration, then they’re not entitled to a say.

Nothing more than the local government withdrawing the implied free-speech under powers extended to it by the constitution. It’s a threshold thing and a very sneaky way of ensuring that “Envious Christians” chattering classes are kept in check. How dare they suggest that he and the rest of his religious claque depend on freedom to say all sorts of unqualified crap, for their very existence.
- Margaret Gray says:
  
  08:13am | 26/09/10
  
  “...The problem with this mindset is that it overlooks the long-standing role of free speech in Australia…”
  
  No, the problem is those who think we have freedom of speech in Australia.
  
  There is no right to “free speech” enshrined in the Australian constitution.
  
  None.
  
  And we are not protected by law from just saying what we want.
  
  Witness the various and nefarious ‘vilification’ laws imposed by ‘progressive’ governments to protect sections of our community but not all.
  
  Stupidly, some Australians also think we ‘mirandise’ suspected criminals.
  
  Too much TV methinks.
  
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marley says:

11:42am | 26/09/10

No, Australians are not protected by law from “saying just what we want.” But then neither is anyone else. Even the USA, which does have constitutionally-guaranteed freedom of speech, also has laws on defamation and libel, not to mention hate crimes. Canada has constitutional protection for “freedom of expression” but that doesn’t prevent it from having hate crimes included in its criminal code.

The right of Australians to freedom of speech may not be defined in the constitution per se, but it certainly has been defined by decades of High Court decisions.
Michael says:

11:57am | 26/09/10

That’s not quite right, Margaret.

Although there is no *explicit* right to free speech mentioned in the Australian Constitution, there are a series of cases—of which Theophanos is probably the leading one from the High Court—that says there *is* a limited right to freedom of speech when it’s on political issues.

That right is implied in the Constitution since Griffiths and Barton et. al. are assumed that they could not have arrived at the present form of the Constitution without the implicit assertion that there was a right to freedom of speech on political issues - you can’t have a meaningful eleciton if you can’t comment freely on the politics of that election.

It’s a potent enough right that the newspaper in Theophanos’s case used it to defeat a defamation action by Theophanos - the right to free speech on political issues cut across even his right to not have his reputation impeached by a daily newspaper.

Having said that, I agree with you that Penbo does it get it wrong, once again, in that he implies a blanket right to free speech when it doesn’t exist at Australian law, either. But then it doesn’t exist at US law, either, which seems to be the right we all want to have; the various US cases say that free speech has its limits - you can’t use the right of free speech to justify yelling “Fire!” in a crowded theatre, for example.
David Cox says:

01:33pm | 26/09/10

While Australia does not have a Right to Free Speech, the High Court has now ruled that there is a freedom to speak out on political matters, and this is clearly a political statement.
austin 3:16 says:

02:33pm | 26/09/10

Meh an implict right to freedom of speech has been found in our constitution. It’s not unfettered, nor has it ever been, and what freedoms are ?
Bertrand says:

02:49pm | 26/09/10

No, the problem is people who think that they know how the constitution works because of something a university drop out once told them.

We don’t have anything in the constitution enshrining freedom of speech, but that isnt really here nor there. The Australian constitution is noted more for how much it does not include, not how much it does.

Almost all the freedoms we enjoy in Australia, and there are many, are a result of convention, and from ideas that are implied in the constitution. They are more effective by virtue of not being expressly written down, because they can then be interpreted in accordance with changing circumstances.

This also foreshadows the problems with a bill of rights. As soon as you write down the rights you do enjoy, everything not envisaged by the authors, and therefore not written down, are not rights that you are able to enjoy. You put boundaries on your freedoms when you express them definitively.
Bethany says:

05:38pm | 26/09/10

Bertrand
“[Freedoms] are more effective by virtue of not being expressly written down, because they can then be interpreted in accordance with changing circumstances.”
So if the government of the day decides that we should no longer have the right to free speech (due to changed circumstances) ... what then?
NRP says:

06:05pm | 26/09/10

Funny I had no trouble with understanding what the author was referring to; natural rights.

The purpose of a constitution is not to enumerate the rights of the people, but to enumerate and limit the power and functions of government.

Freedom of speech not being explicitly enumerated in the Australian constitution is neither here no there; you do not require permission from any entity to exercise those certain inalienable natural rights, only willpower is necessary.
Steely Dan says:

09:36am | 27/09/10

@ Bethany

“So if the government of the day decides that we should no longer have the right to free speech (due to changed circumstances) ... what then?”
Then we’re off to the High Court - where they should uphold the precedent that recognises the implicit freedom of speech in our constitution.
James1 says:

10:53am | 29/09/10

I read recently that in WA an Aboriginal girl was charged under the racial vilification laws for vilifying a white girl. What does that do to your sense of victimhood, Margaret?
- Spaghetti Godess says:
  
  08:33am | 26/09/10
  
  Keep the mural - it states what most people in Australia are thinking but are too afraid to voice their opionion incase they are named as racists instead of being rationalists and realists. This hilarious art work is to be admired as the artist has chosen humour to point to a ludicrous cultural and religious belief which can’t even be proved, not even in the Quran. The artists bumper stickers whould be pasted all over Australia - bump off the burqa could soon be a national sport - and it would save these unenlightened women from lack of Vitamin D.
  
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- teejay says:
  
  09:06am | 26/09/10
  
  I am as offended by what appears to be a naked woman or women on the front of Mr Redegalli’s T-shirt…clearly his objection to the burqa does not include the pseudo-feminist stance of opposing the burqa because it supposedly symbolises oppression of women…which is as ignorant as opposing Islamic culture. Besides, the woman in the crude mural is not wearing a burqa.
  
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Lady Fong says:

11:28am | 26/09/10

teejay, “the pseudo-feminist stance of opposing the burqa”? There is nothing pseudo about the stance of feminists against the burqa…it needs ridding, as did suttee and foot binding. Now if Muslim men also donned the burqa in solidarity with their women then we are certain they are not oppressing women. Why? Well, using the logic applied to Muslim women, shouldn’t Muslim men also want to shield themselves from the gaze of the opposite sex, especially infidel women?
Dan says:

03:57pm | 26/09/10

Lady Fong, it is absolutely psuedo. Feminism is about choice, or does choice only come in if you agree with it?

You also can’t compare it to suttee or foot binding. That is absurd.

As for infidel women, you do realise that most Muslim men don’t use such a term?
Lady Fong says:

04:18pm | 26/09/10

Dan, feminism is about equality, including choice. I am not as certain as you seem to be that the women actually choose to wear the burqa when men never have to . In Turkey, the women are fighting to keep the secular state so that they don’t have to wear the burqa. I put the word women after infidel as a signifier, because all non-Muslims are referred to as infidels, just as Jews refer to non-Jews as gentiles. Is the word ‘infidel’ a perjorative in your usage?
All oppression is oppression…whether it is suttee or foot binding; the burqa is lower on the continuum but you should try wearing the burqa in 40C. In Johore, I saw children as young as 6 or 8 in the niqab. Did you say choice? More like early conditioning to me.
marley says:

05:04pm | 26/09/10

If you’ve ever travelled to some of the remote areas of Pakistan, you would not be so blase about dismissing the burqa as a symbol of oppression.

Feminism is indeed about choice. Here in Australia, educated Muslim women do have a choice about the burqa, and that’s fine. But very few women in tribal societies (or who have come from such societies) have a choice as to whether they will or will not wear it. Its use is a tribal custom, imposed by centuries of tradition, and one which women in those tribal areas have no option but to observe when outside their own homes. (And when not outside their own homes, they live in walled and partitioned compounds, away from the prying eyes of unrelated, or indeed, related men. Purdah, they still call it.)

Frankly, I think Lady Fong not so far off in comparing it to foot-binding and suttee, which after all were also customs imposed by societies on their female members.
Dan says:

05:35pm | 26/09/10

Marley< I’m not being blase. I happen to have met and spoken to Muslims about it. You shouldn’t make assumptions about where I’m coming from. The fact is that a number of women do choose to wear it, and Australia is slightly different to tribal Pakistan.

“Feminism is indeed about choice. Here in Australia, educated Muslim women do have a choice about the burqa, and that’s fine. But very few women in tribal societies (or who have come from such societies) have a choice as to whether they will or will not wear it. Its use is a tribal custom, imposed by centuries of tradition, and one which women in those tribal areas have no option but to observe when outside their own homes. (And when not outside their own homes, they live in walled and partitioned compounds, away from the prying eyes of unrelated, or indeed, related men. Purdah, they still call it.)”

Two comments. One, as you seem to be acknowledging, women in Australia do have a choice. Two, those that have no choice will not be ‘freed’; they will simply cease going outside.

“Frankly, I think Lady Fong not so far off in comparing it to foot-binding and suttee, which after all were also customs imposed by societies on their female members. “

Many Muslim women would disagree with that. Which is the point. Many of the people who want to ban it haven’t even spoken to any Muslim women (not making assumptions about you, like you did with me), and a large number of them do not want it banned. Why would they? We don’t have the right to tell women what they should and shouldn’t wear.
Dan says:

05:51pm | 26/09/10

Lady Fong,

” I am not as certain as you seem to be that the women actually choose to wear the burqa when men never have to . In Turkey, the women are fighting to keep the secular state so that they don’t have to wear the burqa.”

I’m not suggesting thta most or many women choose to wear it. I am suggesting that some choose to do so. Truthfully, I don’t think it really matters how many choose to wear it. The truth is that with certain strands of organised religion, if one accepts it, one may do things which other people may perceive as not being their choice. The burqa is not alone in this.

I would also hope that we don’t become like Turkey, which traditionally has been almost fundamentalist in its secularism.

“I put the word women after infidel as a signifier, because all non-Muslims are referred to as infidels, just as Jews refer to non-Jews as gentiles. Is the word ‘infidel’ a perjorative in your usage?”

Not quite. While non-Jews may be referred to as gentiles (although I and none of my family have ever used such a term), all non-Muslims are not referred to as infidels. It’s actually a term originally used by Christians, and the Muslims who use it tend to be on the extreme scale.

“All oppression is oppression…whether it is suttee or foot binding; the burqa is lower on the continuum but you should try wearing the burqa in 40C.”

Except it is enormously debatable as to whether it is opprression or not. It may be sexist, and some people may even refer to it as misogynistic, but simply because something is perceived to be sexist or even misogynistic does not mean it should be banned. The term oppression is a massively serious term, and quite honestly, it’s debatable.

I am a reform Jew. Part of the reason I am one (other than the fact that my family are refom Jews) is that the treatment of women in orthodox Judaism does not appeal to me at all. It is extremely sexist, but I’m not going to ‘rescue’ the women. They like being othodox Jews, they are comfortable with their place, and it’s none of my business really.

You may not like the burqa, you may hate it even, but that does not mean you have the right to ban it.

” In Johore, I saw children as young as 6 or 8 in the niqab. Did you say choice? More like early conditioning to me.”

One could argue (although I should note that I am not opposed to organised religion at all), that it’s all conditioning. In fact, really, everything is conditioning.

As long as we offer women the opportunity to cast off the burqa, should they so desire, whether they were ‘conditioned’ or not is not IMO all that relevent.
- Reg says:
  
  09:35am | 26/09/10
  
  I’d like to suggest it is shameful that the Australian Constitution is so casual about freedom of speech but, - when we look again at how it has been twisted into a cudgel of offensiveness in the US, it’s never that simple.
  
  There was first the US guy posing lavishly as a war hero who turned out to be a total charlatan, but after some petty court appearance he was allowed to continue with his misrepresentation as part of his right to freedom of speech. An example of the US constitution perpetuating and supporting crime.
  
  Then the Michelle Malken Republican tainted rant against Michelle Obama of which the following is part….
  
  “Mrs. Obama remarked, ‘For the first time in my adult life time, I am really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.’
  
  Mrs. Obama’s statement was met with warm applause from other Barack supporters who have also apparently been devoid of pride in their country during their adult lifetimes. Or maybe it was just a Pavlovian response to the word ‘change.’ What a sad, empty, narcissistic, ungrateful, unthinking lot! “
  
  ~~~~~~
  The writer ignored the “REALLY proud” converting it to “devoid of pride” then made the “MAYBE pavlovian,” fact, and branded all, including the President’s wife as non-thinking white hating racists. As some form of proof is no longer necessary under a blanket freedom of speech, redress is slow, if possible at all. Slow, having a far broader application then is immediately obvious. Slow people would let the detail pass unnoticed.
  
  But then why should we be protected from such excesses, religion itself makes all sorts of unprovable assumptions and we’re expected to cop them sweet. The example is set and accepted and to require otherwise would leave religion formally, on very shaky foundations indeed.
  
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- lune for pm says:
  
  09:38am | 26/09/10
  
  excellent piece.
  for a moment there I thought it was going to be another PC swipe against the rights of lunes in a democracy.
  
  Long live the lunes! - exposing the views of people like Abdel-Halim is a little gem
  
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- yofussn says:
  
  09:45am | 26/09/10
  
  Free speach, yeah right Dave, good one! ha ha you do have a sense of humour, we wont let words & actions not matching stand in the way of any of thou precious ditties ay.
  
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- Louis McLennan says:
  
  10:33am | 26/09/10
  
  I was almost going to write “stop being such a do-gooder” until I got to the bottom.
  
  I don’t think the burqa should be banned. I do however like this piece of art simply because it makes the debate bigger, reinforces the rights of the person and the rights of owning something. I feel property rights allow land owners to require that people on their property correctly identify themselves. I don’t think government should have anything to do with this other than in areas such as parliament house where people need to be identified (by a man or woman!). This debate is good because it will make people more weary of this sort of clothing. If someone cannot be identified well then perhaps people are right to runaway or be scared. Should the government choose to make it a requirement that ones face be visible. Where do you draw the line? Another debate could be can you have full view of the road and so on. Personally I think having a paper bag with eyes cut out would be no different to wearing some ultra-cool sunglasses when driving or walking.
  
  Ideally people need to accept that Australia has its own culture and if one wants to visit or live here they need be aware and accept that this country has it’s own culture. Our culture is not static it is dynamic it changes. By no means force people to become “stayan”. However, perhaps we stop encouraging people to have every culture but our own? All of a sudden other cultures feel the “right” to demand that our system of government cater to them despite their minuscule representation and the fact that they have chosen to live in a way that is effectively against the grain. By all means do that. Just don’t expect us or our government to do anything more than acknowledge your choice that is within the law.
  
  our freedoms > %
  
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- nosthow says:
  
  11:53am | 26/09/10
  
  Lucky you came home from the US Penbo - eating pork sandwiches slow-cooked, shredded pork shoulder served with a vinegary chilli sauce and coleslaw. Good old Elvis used to hop into stuff like that - only he liked plenty of peanut butter and jelly on his sangos. Forget the free speech the US has a lot to answer for with culinary cuisine. Viva Las Vegas !
  
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- Shane From Melbourne says:
  
  11:58am | 26/09/10
  
  That sign may be unconstitutional; it conflicts with the establishment clause of the First Amendment which prohibits the establishment of a state religion, the preference of one religion over another, the preference of religion over non-religion or non-religion over religion. Freedom of speech does not give you the right to infringe on other parts of the U.S constitution.
  
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jack says:

06:15pm | 26/09/10

Shane I completely disagree with the sign but there is nothing unconstitutional about it. It falls completely under free speech. It would only have been unconstitutional if the government had put up the sign.
Dave says:

06:36pm | 26/09/10

There is nothing unconstitutional about this. The First Amendment quite clearly states: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Meaning, the American Government cannot create a state religion in the fashion of the Church of England—an institution supported by taxation of all, whether they are followers of that religion or not.

It has nothing to do with what you have said, which appears to be severe restrictions on individuals’ free speech to criticise a “competing” religion or non-religion.
Steely Dan says:

09:42am | 27/09/10

@ Shane From Melbourne

The Establishment Clause is about government neutrality.
- wally the worka says:
  
  12:11pm | 26/09/10
  
  Look, this joker put a muriel on his wall ok? So he doesn’t like burgers. So what. I like piza. So what. The average Joe Blow couldn’t give a rats. You go past one of them immigrants, they don’t say much. Go to the supermarket, they ain’t got screaming kids pulling stuff off the shelves, they ain’t fatties with 4 trolleys of crap, eh? Fair go mate. I helped the lady in front at the checkout the other day, got the trolley jammed didn’t she. One of those ladies you can’t see too much from behind, and now I think of it, not too much in front either. She said good morning and thankyou, couldn’t see her face, got a mask or something. Gees, she must of had a bad day, hubby might of bashed her up or something, I dunno. Whatever it is, hope she’s good now. Look, we oughta treat people the same, right? Fair go mate.
  
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Angry Trev says:

04:39pm | 26/09/10

Spot on brother! Give everyone a fair go with dash of tolerance and side serving of respect. That’s all it takes and all it takes in return. Even someone as uneducated and inarticulate as myself can see, and understand, that ideal.
The Scarlet Pimpernel says:

06:42pm | 26/09/10

If their way of life, including the burqua, was so great ... wouldn’t they stay in their own countries where their practices and customs are normal?
Steely Dan says:

09:48am | 27/09/10

@ The Scarlet Pimpernel

“If their way of life, including the burqua, was so great ...”
Who said it was so great?

“...wouldn’t they stay in their own countries where their practices and customs are normal?”
You’re talking about one practice that you know they agree with - wearing the burqa. Perhaps (hear me out) there are more pressing concerns for potential immigrants than ‘will I get funny looks at Woolworths?’.
The Scarlet Pimpernel says:

07:33pm | 27/09/10

Steely Dan

my point precisely. If other things are more important than the burqua, then how about letting the burqua go as a quid pro quo?
Dan says:

09:08pm | 27/09/10

The Scarlet Pimpernel,

they wear the burqa because they can, because in this country we allow people to wear whatever they want. It does not matter whether the practises and customs are ‘normal’ or not; we don’t tell people what they should and shouldn’t wear!
Markus says:

11:01am | 28/09/10

Dan
We tell people what they should and shouldn’t wear all the time.
Public nudity is a criminal offense, and could potentially even land you on a list of sex offenders.

During the Pope’s visit to Australia last year, the public were warned that on the spot fines would be handed out to anyone wearing clothing that would be offensive to the visiting Catholics.

What the articles states is spot on, that freedom of belief includes freedom to criticise that belief, something that is clearly not being understood by some cultures yet.
Dan says:

09:51pm | 28/09/10

Markus-

” Dan
We tell people what they should and shouldn’t wear all the time.
Public nudity is a criminal offense, and could potentially even land you on a list of sex offenders.”

Are you really comparing the burqa to public nudity? That is absurd. That’s apples and oranges.

” During the Pope’s visit to Australia last year, the public were warned that on the spot fines would be handed out to anyone wearing clothing that would be offensive to the visiting Catholics.”

That would be an argument for why the government shouldn’t tell people what to wear, not why they should.

” What the articles states is spot on, that freedom of belief includes freedom to criticise that belief, something that is clearly not being understood by some cultures yet.”

Oh please. Don’t turn this into a ‘some cultures are better than others’ argument. It’s not about criticising belief; it’s about the government telling people what they can and can not wear
James1 says:

12:00pm | 29/09/10

And you support the laws against wearing anti-Catholic clothes, Markus? Are your seriously lining up to support the nanny state? My how things have changed on the Punch since my last visit.
- xyz says:
  
  02:24pm | 26/09/10
  
  Freedom of speech in Australia is an interesting debate. We are allowed to say anything we want (although this is not in our constitution) except if it contravenes the federal ‘Racial Discrimination Act 1975’ or the various state anti-discrimination legislations.
  
  Now about the burqa… in Australia there are 3 reasons why Muslim women might decide to wear the burqa:
  
  1) Religious - ignorance of Islamic teachings (i.e. they think it is written in a holy text)
  2) Cultural - Islamic male oppression of women
  3) Political - making a political statement (i.e. giving the finger to Western democracies)
  
  On the SBS Insight program on 21st September (Banning the Burqa), there was one woman wearing a burqa and a couple wearing niqabs. The majority of Muslim women there were wearing either a hijab or nothing on their heads (which reflects the broader Australian Islamic community). The woman wearing the burqa said that she had only started to do so a year ago, so she would fall into category #3 (although she was claiming it was #1). One of the women wearing a niqab had very heavy eye makeup on… surely this defeats the purpose of not attracting male attention which is one of the reasons cited for wearing it.
  
  I don’t like seeing a woman wearing a burqa or niqab in our streets… I feel very sorry for her if she is in category #1 or #2, but if she’s in category #3 she may as well have a sign on her head that says “I Hate Australian Democracy”!
  
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Steely Dan says:

09:57am | 27/09/10

@ xyz

“Religious - ignorance of Islamic teachings (i.e. they think it is written in a holy text)”
You seem to think that ‘religion’ is defined as ‘practices sanctioned by a specific holy text’. It’s not.

“Cultural - Islamic male oppression of women”
Ultimately, I think you’re right that it’s oppressive, even if that oppression is implicit. But saying that is the sole reason a Muslim woman might wear one is absurd.

“Political - making a political statement (i.e. giving the finger to Western democracies)”
Or Option B) Political - making a political statement (ie. reminding the hicks that freedom of religion is a secular, Western value)
xyz says:

01:47pm | 27/09/10

Steely Dan, the point I’m trying to make is that wearing a burqa or niqab has no genuine basis in religion… therefore your ‘freedom of religion’ argument is a mute point. Show me where it says that a Muslim woman must completely cover her face. There is a reason why the majority of Muslim women either wear a hijab or nothing on their heads… it’s simply not part of their religion to completely cover their faces.
xyz says:

04:28pm | 27/09/10

I’ll try that again…

Sorry, spelling mistake… it’s ‘moot point’.
- Bethany says:
  
  03:15pm | 26/09/10
  
  My first reaction on seeing the billboard was to wonder how anyone could have got away with putting it up.
  Of course it was; you’re Australian and therefore accustomed to the government controlling every aspect of your life.
  Sergio Redegalli faced universal condemnation over his inflammatory mural
  That’s not true and you know it.
  Marrickville Council said that while it had no legal power to force the removal of the mural on Mr Redegalli’s private wall, it had sent staff to the artist’s house and asked him to cover it up voluntarily.
  Because we are the Council so we are going to impose our views on you even though we have no legal right to do so.
  
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Reg says:

04:52pm | 26/09/10

Not quite right. As an extension of government working under the constitution, the council can withdraw the implied freedom of speech and leave the offended owner free to seek redress in the various courts. Guess who’s going to win in either the long or the short term?

Softly softly does it. The same thing that keeps various churches from making too much noise, it could rebound and put them in an even worse situation with the taxation department and the social services departments. They are, after-all, skating or very thin ice under the auspices of a secular government.
Bethany says:

05:52pm | 26/09/10

Reg
Marrickville Council said it had no legal power, not me.
Are you suggesting a local council can revoke an individual’s right to freedom of speech if it doesn’t agree with what s/he is saying?
If so, Australia desperately needs a Bill of Rights.
Reg says:

08:17am | 27/09/10

As someone has already pointed out Bethany, a Bill of Rights has it’s own problems. It consolidates and restricts a judge’s ability to vary his decision in cases where it is called for. Shades of grey are often preferable to black or white. The council can say what it likes as part of its persuasive approach but the reality is probably different.

Remembering of course that in the interests of community harmony, the council is more concerned with what a person does to his property than what the person says. Erecting a sign without council permission is probably illegal.
- Jon says:
  
  04:59pm | 26/09/10
  
  As an atheist I have no problem with their right express an opinion. It does however create opportunity to debate the ‘‘anti God is anti American” statement. Which is a very strange in view of the fact that most of the founding fathers were not religious. They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. They were Deists who did not believe the bible was true.
  
  Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.” Thomas Paine
  
  “Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.” Benjamin Franklin
  
  “The priests of the superstition, a bloodthirsty race, are as cruel and remorseless as the being whom they represented as the family God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob, and the local God of Israel. Thomas Jefferson
  
  “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.” John Adams
  
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Sam says:

07:58am | 27/09/10

Of all comments, yours is the most informed which is quite unusual for an Australian. I am constantly amused by Aussies quoting their constitutional rights when most do not know any part of their constitution or their rights. These are often the same people who criticize the US constitution while mistaking and misquoting it for their own, yet know nothing about our constitution, it’s amendments or our Bill of Rights. By the same token, we have many people who find it hard to comprehend why other countries do not have constitutions and rights similar to our own. Before I forget…Ban the Burqa.
- Richy says:
  
  05:35pm | 26/09/10
  
  Movies are my religion. Can I go around dressed like Kick-Ass, covered head to toe, so nobody can see my face? I think I’d be getting harassed at every step, especially when setting foot in a bank, for instance. The burqa is no different. This is not Iran, it’s Australia. We all want to see each other’s face. Otherwise what have you got to hide? If Muslim males are that insecure that they have to force their females to hide their faces in public, then they should maybe go and live in the middle east.
  
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- Oz Ocker says:
  
  05:54pm | 26/09/10
  
  Interesting, isn’t it, that free speech as practiced in Australia allows a TV advertising authority to block an advertisement advocating changing the law on euthanasia—the same authority loudly screams against proposals to ban adverts pushing kids to eat junk food—and a billboard advertising authority blocks an advert stating the fact that 85 % of the public favour euthanasia.
  Ah the Land of Free Speech.
  
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- Pat says:
  
  06:48pm | 26/09/10
  
  I agree with David 100%. Lexington, NC has the BEST BBQ in the world! I should know, I grew up near there.
  
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- stephen says:
  
  08:26pm | 26/09/10
  
  You’re quoting, history, Jon, not America, which has infused its Democracy, as we have, with the ideal of something not quite supernatural, or fancy, but just a chance, a faint glimmer that there is something more that the greatest here on Earth can offer.
  Your American Men are good, but you left out a whole lot more.
  
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- Robinoz says:
  
  08:52pm | 26/09/10
  
  The problem with we Australians is that we still think we believe in the dictum of a “Fair go mate”, however, we are so politically correct and so afraid of criticism that we only allow free speech that is non-contentious unless it is of course delivered by Muslims.
  
  In Alice Springs a year ago a young man was charged by police with offensive conduct for selling T shirts with a “White Power” message. As we all know, if it had said, Black Power, as has often been the case, it wouldn’t have raised an eyebrow. We are a bunch of cowards.
  
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Steely Dan says:

10:17am | 27/09/10

@ Robinoz

“As we all know, if it had said, Black Power, as has often been the case, it wouldn’t have raised an eyebrow. We are a bunch of cowards.”
You’re right, it wouldn’t have raised an eyebrow. Why? Because of the history of the phrases. If somebody says ‘White Power’, odds are they’re racist nutbags. If somebody says ‘Black Power’, odds are they’re equal rights supporters, with no suggestion they’re anti-white. Context is important.

I disagree with that guy being charged, by the way - unless the police can show he was trying to incite violence, and that’s a tough one to prove.
Barry says:

12:15am | 28/09/10

@ Steely Dan
If you truly believe “Black Power” is all about equality in Australia, and contains no anti-white sentiment, than I doubt you have met many, young Aboriginal men. Both types of shirt of silly in the present day, and only further push a divide between people.
- stephen says:
  
  08:53pm | 26/09/10
  
  The mural is bad because it is visual art which supposedly denotes an argument, but it doesn’t. As art, it’s a symbol, and therefore denotes more than it states. It really doesn’t say anything except an anonomous person/s does not like burkas. It’s implication, however, because its slapped on a wall in full view, is that it is common - or rather, should be - that burkas should be disliked and disallowed. Freedom of speech ? Yessiree. But not as a ‘flag’, on a wall. The topic is too important to be a forum for ignorant wailers.
  
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- Dark Horse says:
  
  09:26pm | 26/09/10
  
  The issue under discussion here is much, much more important than a discussion about free speech. It is the matter of Islam’s non-violent jihad against Western countries.
  
  Wearing a head-dress is simply one aspect of the Islamic sharia law, a totalitarian system that is not just a religion, but a whole system of government, law and socialisation that believes it is god given (Allah given) and that it is therefore supreme to any law or government anywhere on earth. The aim of Islam is to Islamise every last place on earth and instal an Islamic caliphate in accordance with the Koran, Hadith and other widely accepted Islamic literature.
  
  In Australia we have a relatively small group of muslims which is increasing rapidly as we allow refugees from muslim countries. We are in a good position to reject shariah law absolutely in our country and take measures to protect ourselves before the population becomes too large to handle. This is the case in most European countries including the UK all of whom are almost doomed to become muslim countries within 20 or 30 years.
  
  A recent report by an organisation called the Center for Security Policy in the US recently produced an extensive report outlining the challenges in the US and what need to be done to alleviate the takeover of the US. It’s found at http://before-i-sleep and every Australian who cares about the future of freedom and democracy should read every page of it.
  
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Not-So-Blind Willy says:

06:36am | 29/09/10

You have done your research. Good job and continue in getting the word out. The world is however, full of those that will label you a racist and bigot for raising awareness of the danger and want to limit or curtail your right to free speech while they cannot see the forest for the trees.
- Public Speaker says:
  
  10:53pm | 26/09/10
  
  Freedom of speech is the right to express your opinion and as such we should preserve it for all. Just because you don’t like someones opinion is no reason to shut down freedom of speech. After living in the USA for a number of years I appreciated some of their laws such as freedom of speech and even the right to bear arms. In Texas the burgalry rate was going sky high, and people were being attacked in their own homes. So the legislators instead of political cover up by making jail time harder went straight to the heart of the problem and declared a law which said that a person has the right to defend themselves in their home, so if a perpetrator entered their home and they felt their life was in danger, they could defend themselves by killing the perpetrator. In one month alone after the law was enacted, the burglary rate had dropped 40%. In the two years since it was enacted only one man has been shot and he was wounded. Gotta love that common sense approach, and all from the land where democracy and freedoms are religiously defended. Maybe we could take a few lesons about defending our rights.
  
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Not-So-Blind Willy says:

06:48am | 29/09/10

As a US citizen and an ex-Australian, I can only agree with you. One has to personally experience living under Americas’ constitution to truly appreciate how it works for people of differing opinions, in particular our first and second amendment rights. I can debate or argue without fear and can or cannot own a firearm (in most parts of the country) at MY discretion.
James1 says:

12:11pm | 29/09/10

So I guess you will be right behind a woman’s right to dress as she pleases, and not have the government interfere by banning particular items of clothing, Willy?
Not-So-Blind Willy says:

12:04pm | 01/10/10

As long as it does not consist of publicly concealing ones face behind a mask.
- Dan says:
  
  11:20pm | 26/09/10
  
  Freedom of Speech doesn’t grant you Freedom From Being Labelled a Douchebag. Or Freedom From Being Told Your Opinions Are Stupid. ‘Nuff said.
  
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- dan says:
  
  11:29pm | 26/09/10
  
  In all honesty, I think that sign (Anti-God is Anti-American; Anti-American is Treason; Traitors lead to Civil War) is very cleverly written. At first glance, you’d think typical Christian speak for “Atheists are a threat to society”, much what the Pope is currently trying push. However, when you consider it in the context of American ‘civil’ religion, it does create a certain amount of dissonance.
  
  For example, in saying that your an atheist within an American context, is rejecting God to Bless America. American society is built on this notion that it was with God’s help, the unknown being, whom delivered them independence. Given this, there are multiple meanings that could be interpreted from that sign that make it clever.
  
  In regards to this whole freedom of speech and the banning of burqas, I haven’t got a problem with such sentiments so long as they include the banning of all religious artefacts or symbols within the public sphere. Everyone is equal, and should be treated equally. One doesn’t predominate over the other.
  
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James1 says:

12:04pm | 29/09/10

“the unknown being, whom delivered them independence”

You mean the French?
- Adam says:
  
  04:16am | 27/09/10
  
  Offense is a cost of freedom of speech that only the ethically vacuous would oppose.
  
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- stumpy says:
  
  06:50am | 27/09/10
  
  Aaaah freedom. Is’nt it great. The freedom to offend and the freedom to complain about the offence. All are right, it’s a matter of opinion.
  
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- Mark Hawkins says:
  
  09:32am | 27/09/10
  
  “I disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it”
  
  - François-Marie Arouet
  
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- facepalm says:
  
  09:38am | 27/09/10
  
  In recent times, people seem to conflate freedom of speech with freedom to be stubborn pr*cks about their opinions. The net result is beginning to show - our society is now struggling under the burden of what I call cultural baggage - ideas which have long surpassed their use-by date, but are held on to out of both “tolerance” by those wish to play nice, and sheer obstinacy by those who hold on to their much-vaunted opinions despite the mountain of evidence against them. A simple, bitter dose of intellectual integrity would catapult our society forward decades, if not centuries.
  
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Chris L says:

05:53pm | 27/09/10

Slow and steady Facepalm. We’ve only recently (in relation to human history) abolished slavery and allowed women to vote. If we fix everything now there won’t be anything for the next generation to do and they’ll be bored out of their brains!
- 4leaf says:
  
  06:26pm | 27/09/10
  
  You confuse free speech with being free from being criticised for idiotic, hateful comments. Free speech does not provide an immunity from wholly justified criticism of that speech. This is the old line Sarah Palin loves to run whenever some right-wing nut (AKA today’s Republican Party) is criticised for their latest piece of racist or homophobic bile. Palin shrieks about Americans’ first amendment rights coming under fire. The first amendment and the whole notion of free speech are not a freedom to say whatever you like and not be slammed for it.
  
  As an aside, there is no freedom of speech enshrined in Australia’s Constitution. The High Court has held there is a limited implied protection of political communication, but it comes nowhere near the US first amendment. Plenty of speech in Australia is illegal. Most States have ‘offensive’ or ‘indecent’ language prohibitions on the books and they’re enforced on a daily basis. Free speech does not and certainly does not in Australia provide free reign for every nut to impose upon the rest of us their nonsensical rantings - at least not without being criticised for it and asked to stop.
  
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- Bee says:
  
  07:04pm | 27/09/10
  
  Just off the mural for a second: It seems very strange to me that we should be debating whether or not women should have the right to be covered up for the moral good of society and the honour of their husbands and family in 2010. I mean, we are discussing the rights and wrongs of women deciding or being coerced into behaviour that sets them below men, as if this could possibly be in doubt. And this in a western democracy that has had the benefit of a strong movement for the equal rights of women for at least thirty years. I guess male entitlement is a hard habit to break.
  
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- Daniel says:
  
  07:47pm | 27/09/10
  
  What a sign. A real depiction of the real USA.
  
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- Shiralee Green says:
  
  08:36pm | 27/09/10
  
  So freedom of speech is OK but not the freedom to wear what you want.
  
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