There are two ways to deal with dumped political leaders. They can either be accommodated or destroyed. The fatal mistake the Labor Party made when it knifed Kevin Rudd last year was that it tried to do both.

I'd like to thank you all for coming. Bill Leak in The Australian.

Since Rudd’s removal the party’s public position is that there is a valuable role for Kevin to play at senior levels of government, that he is a team player, an asset in foreign affairs, someone who adds depth to the Cabinet and continues to enjoy deserved popularity with the voters.

The party’s private position is that Rudd is a high-maintenance sook, was a bully and a control freak as leader, that he is now using foreign affairs to gallivant about big-noting himself, that he is running Julia Gillard down to whoever will listen, and that it would have been best for everyone if he’d bowed out gracefully ahead of last year’s federal election.

This was the tactical stupidity at the heart of last year’s leadership transition. Not only did Julia Gillard promise to keep Kevin Rudd on the frontbench, she gave him the portfolio of his choice. Unsurprisingly the former DFAT wonk went for foreign affairs, forcing the very capable Stephen Smith into defence. At the same time the factional leaders who had orchestrated Rudd’s demise were openly expressing their disbelief and irritation that Rudd wouldn’t “go quietly”, as they put it, hoping the humiliation he had endured which had left him weeping with his family in the prime ministerial courtyard would be so devastating that it would drive him from political life.

A few short weeks later and Julia Gillard was wishing that the hopes of the factional leaders had been realised as a string of mid-campaign leaks, which pretty much everyone in Caucus rightly or wrongly blamed on Rudd, threw Labor’s re-election bid into spectacular disarray.

What is clear is that, 12 months on, the vibe inside the ALP remains unchanged. Every other day – or at the moment at least once a day – the Prime Minister finds herself being asked about her relationship with Rudd and must laughably argue that they get on terrifically well and that he’s a valued member of the Government.

Yet open the pages of the newspapers over the past three days and you will find quote after quote from unnamed MPs about what a malignant entity Rudd is, how appalling he was as leader, how there is no way the party would ever go back to him. Further, open the pages of The Australian and you find a bizarre public request from the former Queensland Premier Peter Beattie for Rudd to bow out of politics mid-term.

It is deeply unusual that as a fellow Queenslander - who would have known Rudd for years through his former role as chief of staff to another former Labor Premier in Wayne Goss – Peter Beattie would misread Rudd’s psyche so poorly as to pen a public request for him to make himself scarce.

Rudd’s mental state over the leadership question can be summed up with one pithy phrase: I’ll show those bastards.

Beattie is seriously deluded if he thought that Rudd would spring out of bed yesterday morning, turn to the opinion pages of The Australian and say: You know, Beattie’s right, I’ll ring head office and hand in my notice. Such calls have the reverse effect of galvanising Rudd’s determination not only to stay, but to stay loudly rather than quietly.

Rudd takes an understandable degree of delight in polls showing he’s preferred leader over Gillard. He has used the medium of Twitter to declare that party elder statesman John Faulkner is “dead right” in his analysis of the rotten culture within the ALP, or to tweet that his assassination party has now been cancelled for fear it has become a media circus (now there’s a surprise).

Rudd is clearly very happy to keep things ticking along. He knows he does not have the support inside Caucus, not even close, but he is delighted to be talked up as the people’s choice candidate for the leadership and to reinforce that status with soft interviews appealing to younger voters or re-establishing himself in his Kevin07 incarnation as a Labor great who saw off John Howard. His thinking is that if the polls continue to head south, beyond their already unprecedented level of badness, Labor might have a moment of crazy panic and return to him in desperation. Or more likely, Gillard will lose the next election and Rudd will offer himself up as the only person with any public support and any capacity to make the party relevant and electable again.

The saying goes that revenge is a dish best served cold. Kevin Rudd has decided that it’s a dish best served gradually. Because of Labor’s failure to resolve the Rudd question last year, Julia Gillard is being served a degustation menu of bite-sized shit sandwiches, and they will be dished up to her on a regular basis over the coming two years.

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    • Super D says:

      06:08am | 21/06/11

      If Labor had a 2 seat outright majority Kevin would be on the back bench - or more likely would have left the building.  He is a constant reminder of the weakness of the Gillard government.

      If anything good comes from his time as self serving foreign minister it is that there is no chance of him ever getting a high role at the UN.  His Libya intervention has gone as well as the pink batts program.

    • Edward James says:

      07:46am | 21/06/11

      Kevin Rudd is an integral part of the rotten culture which is the ALP, While Penberthy mentions how Peter Beattie would know Rudd from his time as Chief of Staff for Wayne Goss. He David Penberthy fails to throw the Heiner affair hand grenade into the mix. http://www.heineraffair.info/site_pages/beattie.html
      With the two parties not much preferred wanting to see the end of him for different reasons. I must keep asking why we should not take this time to question him about his inglorious past as Goss Chief of Staff. Edward James
      Former Queensland Premier Peter Beattie

      “...It Will Go Down In The Record Of This Parliament As The Petition With The Least Number Of Signatures On It.” And “....There Is No Audience For This Issue. There Have Been More Inquiries Into This Issue Than We Have Had Hot Dinners. The Answer Is: No, No, No, No, No And No. It Is Done. It Is Finished. It Is Over.”

      Former Premier Peter Beattie ridiculing the 84-page Lindeberg Petition on 28 October 1999 [see State Hansard p4502]. The Lindeberg Petition was a symbolic “one-man” petition.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      03:55pm | 21/06/11

      Oh lordy, the Heiner affair again.  Do give it a rest.  There was no Heiner affair.

    • Christian Real says:

      04:28pm | 21/06/11

      Marilyn Shepherd
      Agreed, the so called Heiner Affair,has been trotted out for far to long by the pathetic Liberal supporters,radio shock jocks and their party.
      I also agree that there was no heiner Affair and the Liberals and radio shock jocks smoking gun is still firing blanks.
      Edward James:
      You say that “David Penberthy fails to throw the Heiner affair hand grenade into the mix”
      Perhaps Edward James,it is because there is no hand grenade to throw into the mix, there never was and there never will be.

    • Chrissy says:

      04:57pm | 21/06/11

      How dumb do you have to be to believe that a tax, yes a tax will stabilize the earths climate for centuries to come?......

    • The Galah from Hervey Bay says:

      06:23pm | 21/06/11

      Lets be clear on one point - the Australian electorate will serve up a humungous shit sandwich to Gillard at the ballot box.
      The Rudd government was a failure but the Gillard /Green/Independent experiment is significantly worse than the horrors presented by the Socialistic Whitlam implosion.

    • Edward James says:

      09:32pm | 21/06/11

      Marilyn and Christian, untraceable names on a web site.  After considering much of the information available to the peoples court of public opinion here http://www.heineraffair.info/site_pages/legal_opinions.html
      I now understand QLD Labor Chief of Staff Kevin Rudd and NSW Chief of Staff Nathan scurried like a rat Rees. Are while generations and states apart still entwined together in a politically incestuous Labor Party embrace! A nation wide political embrace which because its strength is waning from the political blood letting unleashed on it by the Liberal National Coalition in NSW. Is fighting like Alien for survival! Make no bones about it Marilyn and christian I went cap in hand to Labor NSW when Bob Carr was Premier almost thirteen years ago, seeking protection for my father from a corrupt local council. I also went to the opposition! At Local, State and Federal levels of the peoples governments. After almost twelve years my experience including over four hundred days rain hail and shine standing in protest outside the oldest parliament in this country, permits me to write with authority about the Queensland Heiner Affair and my own personal experience with the sins our politicians and their supporters do commit upon constituents!  I recall the name Marilyn Shepard from the old days on sydney indy media, Refshaugie Kelly, Keneally, Iemma, Rees, Robertson Jim Lloyd Chris Hartcher Chris Holstien O’Farrell, Andrews the list is pointless. Because all these and other time servers are dead wood politicians sucking the tax dollars out of the working classes and all have been asked for assistance!
      I know the system is bucked because i have experienced it and it is not serving taxpayers well! Edward James

    • Mahhrat says:

      06:14am | 21/06/11

      God what a LNP fluff piece this is.

      Howard also hung tenaciously onto power for three or so years longer than he should have.

      ALL POLITICIANS - with the possible exception of Brian Harridine - are self-serving show ponies who weren’t good enough to earn the really big bucks in private enterprise, but are just good enough to run for public office.

      Is Rudd enjoying popular public support while both sides of politics struggle mightily to put forward a credible leader the public will accept?  Oh yeah, you betchya.

      No, if you’re going to attack Kevin, attack the fact that he hasn’t gone independant yet.

    • buckyboy says:

      07:25pm | 21/06/11

      Great to hear from you again, Brian….hope you are in good health.

    • Erick says:

      06:18am | 21/06/11

      It’s fun to watch the ALP’s self-destruction. With government hanging on by one vote, they can’t just kick Rudd.

      Furthermore, alienating any of their pet independents could cost them government. This would likely be followed by a snap election that would pretty much wipe out the federal ALP like its NSW counterpart.

      Gillard’s leadership is a disaster, since she’s irrevocably stained by the Rudd knifing and the carbon tax lie. Yet replacing her is problematic, because one of the independents has already suggested Labor could lose his support if Gillard in turn was knifed. And, of course, her successor would be vulnerable to the same accusations that Gillard faced over the leadership coup.

      Then there’s the albatross of the carbon tax hanging around the Government’s neck. The voters hate it, yet if Gillard dumps it she will lose her last shreds of credibility. And if Gillard’s successor dumps it, the Greens will probably withdraw their support, leading to a loss of government and an electoral disaster scenario.

      The nasty, arrogant, misandrist ALP deserves every bit of the catastrophe that awaits it. Schadenfreude and popcorn all round!

    • Edward James says:

      07:54am | 21/06/11

      I wait for the blade to drop on Labors scrawny political neck. Because we can then move on to dismissing the dead wood which makes up the political broom identified as Liberal National Coalition Party. It is sad the way rusted on voters keep supporting political garbage.I have tried for years to get people to vote for change and change again and keep doing that until they get a politician who represents them above the party. Edward James   http://bit.ly/EJ_PNewsAds

    • JohnB says:

      08:26am | 21/06/11

      Well said Erick. The best labor could do is call an election now, at least they’d retain some seats. The longer this rabble continues the more irreparable damage. This scenario is good for no one. We’d end up with a massive majority Lib gov that would punish us in all sorts of ways. Do the right thing Gillard, you’re way out of your depth.

    • JohnB says:

      08:47am | 21/06/11

      I love the concept Edward James…When I get some time I’ll browse through those…Trouble I see is there are very rarely any worthy candidates. Sensible, well rounded, experienced, selfless people don’t typically go in to politics! For me, this is the larger problem.

    • Anubis says:

      09:27am | 21/06/11

      Sorry EricK - Gillard has no shred of integrity left to lose.Not a single success can be credited to her. Every policy or Government action she has been involved in has failed/self destructed. She has NO ” last shreds of credibility”

    • rick says:

      12:13pm | 21/06/11

      I like the idea of outlawing political parties altogether, they’re just a so far successful attempt to subvert democracy by controlling the way a so called representative votes.

      This results in a ridiculous situation where our politicians are not representing the interests of the constituency.  They’re just bending over and doing what they’re told to. 

      Outlaw the parties, lock their members up as the conspirators, subversives and downright danger to democracy that they are.

    • mickijo says:

      03:12pm | 21/06/11

      One would think we are being governed by a party of blackmailers and victims. Would’t one?

    • Erick says:

      04:18pm | 21/06/11

      Oh my. Just look at these word-cloud impressions of Julia Gillard.

      And then bear in mind that they come from the audience of the ABC, who tend to support Labor.

      Oh my.

    • Soames says:

      06:03pm | 21/06/11

      As usual, Erick is posting a lot of crap. Voters have not hated “the carbon tax”, there hasn’t been one to vote on. On the other hand the constituency has overwhelmingly been in favour of a carbon tax. There’s no problem at the next federal election with Gillard’s successor, there won’t be one. Erick possibly places great faith in the rivetting utterances of Lord Monkton, the guru of delusional speaking in ‘scientific’ tongues. Arrrgh Erick, no worries son, you’ll get over it, maybe.

    • buckyboy says:

      07:45pm | 21/06/11

      No way…I want to see this “Labor nightmare” go the full term. The hole is dug…they have thrown themselves in the hole…now I want to sit back and watch them drag the dirt back in the hole and bury themselves forever.
      In a perfect world of common sense and decency the next Labor voter has most probably not even been born yet.

    • atthepub says:

      06:22am | 21/06/11

      One of the most balanced pieces so far on the whole Rud debacle. Out he must go. His colleagues have been civil enough. Penbo doesn’t your write-up proof show that Julia didn’t knife him in the back but the guy was an impossibility to work with or have in government? And if anything, labor has been as civil as possible but his boorish behaviour is starting to make it impossible for everyone to keep covering up his infantile attitude?

      It is so heartening to see journo’s putting some perspective out in the public arena. What you’re stating is what people on the street are saying and that is what we would like hear reflected in the media, the voice of the people.  Out with Rud due to immature and infantile behaviour ... I know, I know there’ll be none left ..

    • Plain Jane says:

      07:31am | 21/06/11

      Civil? An overnight knifing of peoples PM? What country do you come from? The people of the nation go to bed with people`s PM as leader and wake up next day to be told that backstabber Gillard now the leader.  That ain’t civil, in my books. .According to you the victim should lie down, shut up or else. .... a classic bully, politcal thug,  tactic. Good on ya Rudd, fight back as every victim should, don’t take it lying down. go make the backstabber and her bully boys squirm, they are not the innocence they prentend to be, keep at it and show you are more powerful in the end, the proof in the pudding- a Labor party that lost its way is now up shit creek in barbed-wire canoe with Gillard at the helm.

    • atthepub says:

      09:16am | 21/06/11

      Rud infantile at best, vicious and malicious at worst. That’s not the qualities of a leader. These are the qualities of a mean and spiteful spirit and a time waster.

      Over the last year he has well and truly proven what kind of material he is made of .. talk about backstabbing. He is and always has been the master of it. Just deserts.

    • mike j says:

      10:15am | 21/06/11

      “Over the last year he has well and truly proven what kind of material he is made of ..”

      And evidently, it’s material that polls well for preferred PM.

      On a related topic, how do you feel about your daughter dating a hairdresser?

    • Nic says:

      11:12am | 21/06/11

      @Plain Jane

      It’s not really that big a deal. The exact same thing happened in NZ a few years ago.

      Jim Bolger went overseas on a trip, while he did Jenny Shipley gathered support and when he came back he found he was replaced. Thus we had NZ’s first female PM.

      She was then subsequently laughed out of the job, having fixed nothing, replaced by Helen Clarke as the real first female PM.

      It was a surprise sure and it was news, but there wasn’t anywhere near the kerfuffle we’ve had in Australia about it.

      You vote for the party not the person, this (thankfully) isn’t America.

    • dovif says:

      11:36am | 21/06/11

      atthepub

      So they replace Rudd with the Real/Fake and Lying Julia? Who happens to also be incompetant, ie she penned the changes to Asylum Seeker law, so the Malaysia/PNG/East Timor/Regional/Indonesian Solution is there to solve the problems caused by Gillard

      Much better

      That should do wonder

    • Bris Jack says:

      06:31am | 21/06/11

      Degustation plate includes bite sized ferrit, possum and rat ... sandwiches.

    • RyaN says:

      10:44am | 21/06/11

      Comment of the week on the punch!

    • jo says:

      11:09am | 21/06/11

      ATTHEPUB your the one that is vicious and malicious not Kevin Rudd,
      So you personally know him do you.????  I don’t believe all the negative things written about him.  You are just a political spin follower.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:46am | 21/06/11

      How funny, Rudd an ALP nut is causing Gilltard an ALP incompetent so many problems! Rudd knows what to do to get some respect so lets watch him do it!

    • Terry says:

      07:06am | 21/06/11

      Oh, the sweet pain this causes me. On one hand I want to see Juliar and her pathetic team of Greens and Independents booted out asap, but on the other hand it’s becoming enjoyable to watch this train wreck happen ever-so-slowly. Krudd is the best thing for the LNP and I hope his evil ways continue for the next 2 years while we have to listen to the likes of these stupid, jumped-up independents and Labor hacks. Trouble is, it’s happening with my tax dollars, and that’s when I reach for a Panadol.

    • Tom says:

      09:24am | 21/06/11

      Terry, “... enjoyable to watch this train wreck”. As you pointed out, “my tax dollars”. Yes, we Australians are sitting in the train which diminishes our enjoyment. However, look on the bright side, so are all the fools who voted them in.

    • undertow says:

      10:41am | 21/06/11

      All the fools who voted them in are on the same train as all the fools who will vote the opposition in.
      It’s an inevitable train wreck, no matter which buffoon is sitting in the engine room.

    • buckyboy says:

      08:04pm | 21/06/11

      undertow….that is a natural phenomenon that drags back the crap that is deposited on the beach back to the depths where it’s belongs

    • Plain Jane says:

      07:06am | 21/06/11

      June 2011 and the humiliation belongs to Gillard. A year on after knifing Rudd overnight cos `Labor lost its way` the backstabber and liar has proved a total failure at policy implementation,  plummeting Labor polls to depths unknown It`s been one hell of year for Australians courtesy of Gillard , and they are telling her loud and clear GO we don’t want you!.

    • DaS Energy says:

      07:09am | 21/06/11

      Rudds not coming back, they are still ripping out insulation and putting flowers on the graves. However the punters fair play doesnt excuse what Miss Truth did, and they dont like what she is doing. So she will be rolled in a new start new way Labor party.

    • TChong says:

      08:41am | 21/06/11

      Flowers on any ones graves are the direct result of incompetent ,lying business people, claiming they had more experience and skill than they did.
      Neither Rudd nor Garret did any of the installing.
      Lying, devios, criminally negliegent business people did, the type of constituents who are naturals for the LNP.

    • Deena says:

      09:39am | 21/06/11

      TChong, you really must be a braindead and brainwashed ALP follower to actually say such things. You claim not to vote for the ALP yet you seem to be a billboard defending their cause and acting like their number one fan.

      The direct quote from the ABC:
      Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has acknowledged the safety standards his Government put in place for the failed home insulation scheme were inadequate.

      Looks like TChong has been exposed as a fake, he is the ALP’s poster boy! Truly a sheep in wolves clothing.

    • Damocles says:

      10:20am | 21/06/11

      Chong, it WAS Rudd’s and Garret’s fault! They caused the massive feeding frenzy, throwing money left, right and centre, that caused unscrupulous money grabbers to do the improper “install” of the roof insulation! If Rudd, who started the fiasco and Garret, who oversaw the whole mess, hadn’t implemented this FAILED folly, then people would still be ALIVE today! So continue on your deluded way, but the bullshit should stop HERE!

    • Seano says:

      10:28am | 21/06/11

      And these are the same business people who were supposedly going to look after their workers under work"choices”.

    • Kika says:

      12:50pm | 21/06/11

      Unfortunately the scheme failed because of the industry’s greed to get out there and do as many jobs as possible failing to care for their workers and customer’s safety. In the media you hear only about the deaths. How about the thousands of homes damaged by incompetent workers sticking their feet through ceilings and roof tiles?

      If you employ non qualified people to do the job just because you can, who’s fault is that?

    • Ben C says:

      01:45pm | 21/06/11

      @ Seano

      Workchoices was not the law of the day, Fair Work was and still is.

      In any case, Rudd and Garrett failed to put in mechanisms whereby any contractor that wanted to engage in the Pink Batts scheme needed to have sufficient experience in the building industry.

      @ TChong

      The lying, devious, criminally negligent business people engaging in the scheme were most likely Labor voters - you know, the type that couldn’t fight for their rights at work without the help of the unions. I wonder why the unions didn’t jump up and down about those that died whilst installing these batts in furnace-like conditions.

    • Steve says:

      02:21pm | 21/06/11

      The insulation debacle is the Government’s fault. The real economy is made up of people who are trying to maximise their income. The real economy is not run by anal retentive public servants wearing brown cardigans rifling through policy and procedure manuals. This is not new it has always been this way and always will be. Public servants who administer spending of public monies have to be aware of this and manage this inherant feature of private enterprise.

      You have to know with absolute certainty that if you put a big pile of taxpayers money on the table and instruct that it is to be spent quickly that some sharks will start circling that pot of money. There will be a broad spectrum of people from totally ethical to completely unethical trying to get their share of the money.

      The management of that risk falls to the public servants but the responsibilty rests with the minister and the Government. If I was P. Garret I would have anticipated that from the start this program is at risk of corruption and greater than normal safeguards and auditing will need to be deployed. The failure to anticipate what should have been easy to anticipate is the failure of the minister.

      A lonely brown cardigan is no protection from a hungry shark.

    • Lisa H. says:

      02:39pm | 21/06/11

      No, Seano, these are NOT the same business people that wanted to give Work Choices a go.
      Experienced industry players warned the government that their rushed insulation scheme would lead to mayhem and put people in danger. Their advice was viewed as compromised advice as it was coming from within the industry!

      The government specifically encouraged new non-business people to set up shop, remember, is was all about the ‘splash for cash’, and established industry players could not hope to compete.

      As for Work Choices, since that disappeared not only has our relationship with our employees gone to pot, but their pay and conditions have increased much more slowly as well. Now, we pay to award.

      Productivity is still falling through the floor though, you’ll be happy to know.

    • Against the Man says:

      03:17pm | 21/06/11

      Ouch! TChong you magnificent twit! You have been exposed for the lying ALP stooge that you are!

      Why does the ALP hire duds like you? Haven’t they learnt from KRudd, Juliar Gilltard, Roxon, Garrett, Penny for your thoughts Wong!

    • Seano says:

      02:53pm | 22/06/11

      Whatever spin you want to put on it. The problems were caused by business people who put profit ahead of their duty of care to their workers and clients. You cannot possibly legislate against greed.

    • killerbee says:

      07:25am | 21/06/11

      I think Kevin has the ultimate payback still up his sleeve just waiting until the time is right so he can do the ultimate damage to the ALP, he will resign and with an ALP damning message in his resignation speeech just to stick the knife in deeper.

      Wouldn’t that be fun? A bi-election to determine who governs.
      I can’t wait.

    • Temerarious says:

      10:24am | 21/06/11

      It would be a fitting end to a morally bankrupt party that never should have come to power in the first place. When you think about it, a catchy slogan and an attack on Work Choices was the only thing that got them over the line. How many people are now wishing Howard was still in power? I certainly am.

    • Sony B Goode says:

      07:32am | 21/06/11

      What goes around comes around. They should have tossed the body overboard instead they created a zombie who is a lose canon on the sinking ship

      Socialists have no clue about anything and are so divorced from reality that everything they touch turns to shit. What is sad is the electorate falls for the lies these thugs sell to gain power.

    • Deepthinker says:

      07:39am | 21/06/11

      The unions will do a Custer’s last stand and revive the workchoices ploy, actors equity is begging for the chance, guess who would play the part of the poor lady who lost her job, Ah the prospect is enticing.

    • Deena says:

      08:03am | 21/06/11

      Rudd was all talk no results. At least he looked busy and did give us an international profile. Look at Julia….....no talk, no results, half arse policies everywhere and an international joke - what is that walking man bag doing next to her? They both are a stark reminder on why the ALP were out of Federal politics for 11 years and why they should be out of politics for the next 15 years.

    • Huey says:

      08:09am | 21/06/11

      Good article Penbo.

    • bored says:

      08:17am | 21/06/11

      More accurate than the Farr analysis yesterday.

    • Eric #2 says:

      10:42am | 21/06/11

      Farr lost the plot some time ago.

    • Brian Taylor says:

      08:19am | 21/06/11

      watching this crap go down is enjoyable to say the least.
      I can’t wait to wake up in the mornings and turn on my computer to surf the web and find out what old Rudd is up too today.
      He’ll bring the Gillard Govt down, nothing surer.
      He hates her guts and of those who helped her knife him.
      As the saying goes “payback is a bitch” God I’m loving this

    • Macca says:

      08:29am | 21/06/11

      Kevin Rudd is the prime example of a government who is the cause of all its own problems. It’s ironic that upon realising that the government had “lost its way”, the ALP made the most alienating decision of its horrendous 3 and a half years of government.

    • nossy says:

      08:50am | 21/06/11

      NEWSFLASH SHOCKER”  - Tony Abbott proposes to waste $70 MILLION of Taxpayers money on a non binding plebicite on the Carbon Tax ! I thought I had seen all of Tonys “skills” but hey no he has gone that “extra mile” in showing us he has no regard for the Australian Taxpayer in his ungodly quest to become PM ! He is now a very very desparate man as July 1 approaches when the Greens get the control of the Senate - he knows he has to throw everything at his shameful effort to become PM at any cost. As TimB the Liberal blogger finally acknowledged yesterday he would ascend to the PMship just by saying “NO” and sadly that is all. What a sad chap you are TimB and other Redneck nutters to support a shocker like Abbott who has absolutely nothing to offer the Australian Voting Public but “NO”.  Shame TimB Shame !

    • Joel B1 says:

      09:31am | 21/06/11

      Nossy you olde fart!

      “Redneck nutters” now that’s just name calling.

      Guess I’ll have to refer to you blind ALP idiots as

      “Redhead nutters”

    • nossy says:

      09:40am | 21/06/11

      @Joel B1 -  hahahaha Hey Joel you just “outed” yourself - I had thought you were dinky di Labor !

    • Anubis says:

      09:41am | 21/06/11

      @ nossy - How long can you defend the indefensible?

      The sensible (and Democratic) options for Julia is to either have a Plebiscite or call an election through Double Dissolution. Both Gillard and Swan went in to the election stating that there would be no Carbon Tax under the next term of Government (or in Gillard’s words “.... under a Government I lead”. They deliberately misled the electors in order to garner more votes. Their promise of a people’s forum to “nut out” the details of a carbon (dioxide) strategy disappeared almost immediately to be replaced by the conga line of suckholes and sycophants who make up the Inter Party Climate Committee - membership allowed ONLY if you believe the Government line to start with (because they need to present a result the Government wants not a realistic, debated report that may contain some shred of integrity).

      The Australian people were not given a chance to “Say Yes to the Carbon Tax” unlike GetUp’s ridiculous Blanchett/Caton ad implied. Labor have no mandate to implement such a broad based tax/pricing regime that will impact in so many ways on everyones lives. It needs to be taken to the people for a vote either through an election or a plebiscite - preferably an election. It is unfortunate that Brer Abbott is the only alternative but honestly - he couldn’t do any worse than this pack of rabble that have put the nation in to debt to the tune of $100 billion dollars plus in three years and have not managed to achieve a single policy success.

    • undertow says:

      10:45am | 21/06/11

      Is there a premise for a double dissolution out of the current situation?

    • Talented Rugby Player says:

      10:45am | 21/06/11

      Ah Nosworthy .......S**t stirring again.  just love it!

    • Anubis says:

      11:00am | 21/06/11

      @ Undertow - unfortunately no. If there was it would enable us to clean out the ferals infesting the Senate after 1 July.

    • Elphaba says:

      11:04am | 21/06/11

      @undertow - no, a DD only happens when the HoR and Senate are deadlocked repeatedly over legislation.

    • Knemon says:

      11:05am | 21/06/11

      @ Anubis - You should at least have an understanding of what a double dissolution of parliament requires before making yourself look foolish. The following link will explain the process for you.

      http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rn/2002-03/03rn45.htm

      As for your childish plebiscite calls, that will come at the next general election, until then, sit back and relax.

    • TimB says:

      11:22am | 21/06/11

      Actually what I said was it would be hilarious if Tony got the Prime Ministership as a consequence of a “NO” result in his proposed plebiscite.

      And I stand by that.  The one word continuously used by the mentally deranged (hi Nossy & Badger) in their futile attacks on Tony ends up leading to their worst nightmare? Beyond hilarious.

    • dovif says:

      11:43am | 21/06/11

      Nossy is completely correct, a Piebicite is not needed

      Gillard was elected on a mandate, a mandate that said there will not be a Carbon tax under a government she led.

      So Gillard and the Public had already spoke. There will be no Carbon tax, or Gillard must resign from parliament

      There is no need to take it to the people, Gillard made a promise to the people and they gave her the mandate to have no Carbon tax

    • undertow says:

      11:46am | 21/06/11

      It was a rhetorical question… It just appeared that you didn’t know how a double dissolution occurs.

    • Ben C says:

      02:03pm | 21/06/11

      @ nossy

      How the bloody hell are we supposed to say “Yes” to a carbon tax if we don’t get a voice? Or did Labor just waste a few more millions in taxpayers’ money on those ads? It’s really starting to look like those ads were just taxpayers’ money spent on propaganda, with no real intention of giving the people a voice. True to Labor form, wouldn’t you say?

      Having said that, if we went to a plebiscite, the options on the ballot paper would probably be “Yes” and “Yes” - we’ve got a voice, but Labor’s providing the words.

    • Steve says:

      02:37pm | 21/06/11

      Nossy if you were in any way worried about waste of taxpayers money you would not keep supporting the ALP. The first 5 years of Swanny’s deficits will add up to about 150,000,000,000.00. In his 6th year he will pay off a forecast 3 billion of that debt leaving us a $147 billion in the hole. Dear sweet nossie is worried about $70 million. Under Swanny we are borrowing $100 million a day so that the cost of a plebicite is just a few hours of what swanny squanders on a day to day basis.


      One trick Jules the fool can only say NO. No to prudent economic management of Australia.

    • nossy says:

      02:43pm | 21/06/11

      @Ben C - but Ben Abbott said it didnt matter what the outcome of the plebicite was HE was still going to oppose the Carbon tax ! Good grief Ben surely you wouldnt want $80 million of Taxpayers money spent on a stunt that was worthless from the start would you - or dont you care how Taxpayers money is spent fella ?

    • Ben C says:

      03:49pm | 21/06/11

      @ nossy

      Of course I care about how taxpayers’ money is spent. Which is why I object to the government putting out an ad imploring us to say “Yes” and denying us a chance to do so. It reeks of North Korea and their TV ads praising their “Dear Leader”. Not surprising given Julia’s socialist roots.

    • Gander says:

      04:05pm | 21/06/11

      “Reeks of North Korea”?  Sure, pal. Sure it does.

      Goose.

      Plebiscite? Irrelevant trick.
      Sham democracy.  Deliberate, too.

      So this is the slop the Libs want to serve us up. Anything, any old slop, anything at all, all to try and void the real democracy we already have, and the real honest talk and action we need.

      Just slop. Shame.

    • Ben C says:

      04:39pm | 21/06/11

      @ Gander

      At what point did Labor offer any chance of “real honest talk”? Their version of “real honest talk” only includes everyone saying “Yes” to their carbon tax. Anyone who offers a different opinion to theirs will be shouted down as having no credibility, even if the alternative has some merit.

      We’re only missing the clandestine jailing of dissidents to be comaprable with North Korea. In this case, it sounds like what’s not good for the goose (me) is good for the Gander. Hope you enjoy the Communist country that Australia’s becoming.

    • DMZ 38th parallel says:

      04:50pm | 21/06/11

      Ben C
      If you have perhaps found some credibility tickets whilst foraging in the bin, please produce them and we will happily listen to your arguments.
      This isn’t North Korea you know.

    • jb says:

      05:06pm | 21/06/11

      oh old man crusty is your brain so rusted you cant see the foreest for the trees? Abbott never wanted a Carbon tax would be dum of him to take it to the vote and then go back on his word unlike your midnight mugger you dear what did you call her earlier ‘Jooliah’.
      She looks stupid because she won’t give us a voice, all Tony is doing is speaking for the Australian people giving us a say in this debacle. Goodonya Tony…
      Oh hey Crusty where’s your carbon Cate gone, I heard the studios shut her up in case it takes revenue away from her new soon to be released film…

    • Ben C says:

      05:27pm | 21/06/11

      @ DMZ

      No, really? This isn’t North Korea? Couldn’t have worked that out with so much of the population being of Anglo-Euro heritage, and a leader that isn’t a short, stubby male with an atrocious haircut.

      My argument has plenty of credibility: the government has put out an advertisement encouraging people to say “Yes” to a carbon tax. Where’s our opportunity to say “No”, if we feel that it’s not the best option for one reason or another? What sort of democracy is this if we’re encouraged to do something yet not given the freedom to do so?

    • The Badger says:

      05:27pm | 21/06/11

      jb
      Didn’t you get the memorandum?
      Dame Elisabeth Murdoch is filling in for Carbon Cate whilst she is away filming.

      Do try to keep up dum dum.


      http://tinyurl.com/3vml2ku

    • DMZ 38th parallel says:

      05:55pm | 21/06/11

      Ben C
      Where have you been?
      There are plenty of rallies for the right wing fringe to express their No..

      By the way, Howard spent more than $120 million dollars saying yes to a GST. How come I didn’t get to say no.
      1- percent of that seems like a pittance doesn’t it?

    • jb says:

      10:23pm | 21/06/11

      Oh limp old badger carbon Cate isn’t shooting anything just yet, the hobbitt may be on over the pond but she’s in hiding, not aloud to talk about things political anymore, the Wellington mad mad Jackson himself has shut her down.
      You really should try talking about things that you know to be true as opposed to what you read in the press…
      Oh poor Limpy you and Crusty just get nailed each time you tap the key board these days…

    • The Badger says:

      09:24am | 22/06/11

      jb
      Is that it?
      Is that all you got?
      Why did you bother..  you look more the fool now.

    • Ben C says:

      01:49pm | 22/06/11

      @ DMZ

      John Howard went to an election promising to bring in the GST - as a result, the majority of the primary vote went to Labor. Unfortunately for Labor, the swings were in the wrong seats, which meant that they didn’t win government.

      So yes, you DID get a vote on the GST. Can’t help it if Labor only increased the majority in the seats they held without impacting too greatly on the Coalition in other seats.

    • Ian1 says:

      08:50am | 21/06/11

      Watching Rudd’s apparent illness present in the media regularly is odd and unsettling.  Has anyone managed to suggest to him successfully, that he may need help?

    • R. U. Serious says:

      04:05pm | 21/06/11

      Nossy the “Say Yes” ads were not funded by the government/taxpayer at all.

    • nossy says:

      08:53am | 21/06/11

      “Shame Kevin Shame” - have you no pride fella - as an ousted PM there is only one path to take and that is to GO ! Go for the good of Labor and go for the good of Australia and go for the good of yourself Kevvy !

    • Talented Rugby Player says:

      10:48am | 21/06/11

      Can’t agree with you on this one Nosworthy.  He is providing too much fun and we want to see what his ultimate act of revenge will be.

    • Knemon says:

      11:41am | 21/06/11

      ...are you aware nossy - if Kevin Rudd stands down then a by-election would be required for the seat of Griffith. Would Labor win that seat if a by-election was held now? I doubt it.

    • AAAdam says:

      11:49am | 21/06/11

      I agree nossy. Kevin doesn’t appear to be around for the Australian people, the Labor party or a paycheck. He is only here to feed his huge ego. Perhaps he will eventually go supernova like Charlie Sheen?

    • nossy says:

      11:54am | 21/06/11

      @Talented Rugby Player - havnt seen you around for a while fella - hows the games going - any wins ?

    • dovif says:

      12:08pm | 21/06/11

      nossy

      half of us wins, the other half loses

    • nossy says:

      12:15pm | 21/06/11

      @Knemon - fully aware of that Knemon - I think he holds his seat by 8% (swing needed) so in reality dont think he will go anywhere - but we can try and prise him off cant we ?

    • Facts says:

      01:19pm | 21/06/11

      “@Knemon - fully aware of that Knemon - I think he holds his seat by 8% (swing needed) so in reality dont think he will go anywhere - but we can try and prise him off cant we ? “

      “To put Gillard’s disastrous polling performance into context, should Saturday’s polling result be repeated at a general election, Tony Abbott’s majority would be 74 with the Coalition ending up holding 112 seats, Labor 35 and Independents three. Those Independents would likely be Tony Windsor, Andrew Wilkie and Bob Katter with Rob Oakeshott facing obliteration and Adam Bandt unlikely to return if the Victorian Liberal Party does the right thing and preferences against him.”

      “Given that the current swing against Labor is 9 per cent, that rules out Wayne Swan (on a margin of 3.2 per cent) and probably Stephen Smith (5.9 per cent). Chris Bowen on 7.8 per cent would lose at present but could hold on in a general election and God knows what would happen to Kevin Rudd who is on 8.5 per cent. ”

    • nihonin says:

      01:27pm | 21/06/11

      nossy, not even his old mate (are there any mates in politics), Peter ‘Teflon’ Beattie can’t convince him to leave, even after publicly begging him, can’t see that happening.  I’m still going to call, Thursday as the day of reckoning though.

    • dovif says:

      02:00pm | 21/06/11

      Nossy

      Kevin is really enjoying this, he can say I told you so. Everytime there is a horrendeous opinion poll for Gillard and the ALP, he wakes up happy and says a special hello to the Great betrayers Wayne and Julia

      He is probably happier then the Liberals about the opinion polls, I bet he bounces out of bed in the morning to get to work

    • Deepthinker says:

      08:56am | 21/06/11

      I would guess that the red hair is also a lie, it must have to be tinted everyday, there must be some good in this lady somewhere , can anybody spot it.

    • Joel B1 says:

      08:59am | 21/06/11

      Like others, I’m awaiting the twist in the Rudd saga.

      What will his big leak be? Gillard forced him to drop the ETS? Public knowledge but far more damning if it’s from him.

      That would fix “No, but Yes Carbon Tax” Gillard.

    • Ben C says:

      02:09pm | 21/06/11

      @ Joel B1

      “That would fix “No, but Yes Carbon Tax” Gillard.”

      Sounds like Vicky Pollard from Little Britain.

    • Elphaba says:

      09:08am | 21/06/11

      Well said.  In an attempt to say “There, there - this is not a reflection on you as a politician, just you as PM”, they’ve created a major headache for themselves.

      They had it all in their grasp, it still defies logic about how they let it go so terribly wrong.

      But it is entertaining!

    • AdamC says:

      09:27am | 21/06/11

      Rudd is exploiting Gillard’s failures and errors, he is not the cause of them. The idea that, if Rudd somehow goes away, so will the government’s ills is totally misguided and wrong.

      As usual, Gillard is not short of people to make excuses for her, but is short on any constructive ideas about how to save her government from itself.

    • AAAdam says:

      05:13pm | 21/06/11

      Good point. Rudd is a symptom, not the cause. Gillard’s bad policy and lies are the cause of her governments problems. Getting rid of Rudd won’t fix this. And as we’ve seen changing the Labor leader doesn’t fix anything. Time for a new party I think - one with a good record.

    • james says:

      10:06am | 21/06/11

      Nossy.  I suggest you dress as a woman and try to get into a life boat. (Nearer my God to thee playing in the background.)

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      10:25am | 21/06/11

      I agree that Kevin Rudd’s, totally unnecessary, fart-arsing around the world boring everyone to death is simply an ego trip feeding his already over-inflated opinion of himself. Just who does he think he is? For that matter, when it comes to Australia’s importance on the world stage, just where does he think, if he thinks of anyone or thing other than himself, Australia ranks?
      I love this country but let’s be realistic. Australia is a very tiny nation when it comes to population. We may be the biggest island continent in the world but the vast majority of it is virtually uninhabitable. We excel at a few things. In particular sport. We are up there with the rest when it comes to medical research. We have, over the years, produced some pretty smart retailers: Sidney Myer, William Craig, a major retailer in Melbourne from the mid 1850s to the 1930s who, incidently, much to the horror of the Melbourne Protestant Establishment, sold Sidney Myer his first store in Bendigo , David Jones to name but three.
      We have untold billions of tonnes of minerals & gas which the world wants & to whom we sell it at rock-bottom, fire sale prices!
      Does anyone really believe, despite the waffling on by our own & the USA’s politicians & ADF chiefs who want to justify all those deaths, that the US really gives a damn whether or not we have a couple of thousand young men & women in Afghanistan when they have almost 10 times that amount with 10s of 1000s more waiting in the wings?
      If, as Rudd would have us believe, this wonderful, secret Australia was really so important around the world why is it, when visiting other countries & on being asked where we come from, do so many people say “Australia? Where’s that?.
      OK, so we don’t elect our Prime Minister. But, Rudd was the man who led the ALP & inflicted one of the worst defeats the Coalition has ever suffered - including persuading the voters to toss one of the most successful, if not liked, Prime Ministers, John Howard, Australia has had out of his safe Liberal seat! Until she was appointed Deputy no-one had heard about Gillard.
      Though I disliked Rudd, I was, like so many, appalled at they way Julia Gillard allowed her over-riding ambition to take over & politically assassinate the person on whose coat-tails she had risen to become Deputy Prime Minister. Her behaviour was then & is still now unforgiveable.
      She led the ALP to one of it’s most humiliating defeats ever.
      She, single-handedly, eliminated the 18-seat majority the ALP had under Rudd.
      Gillard has been a total, utter & complete failure as Prime Minister.
      The ALP would probably love to replace her but it they have no-one.
      Until the Gillard Coup all the polls were forecasting, despite Rudd’s personal unpopularity with the voters, the ALP would have won the 2010 Federal Election. All the polls indicated that on a Two Party Preferred basis the ALP had 52% as opposed to the Coalition’s 48%.
      People may not have liked Rudd but if they had to choose between him & Abbott then Rudd won hands down.
      Julia Gillard destroyed all of that. She now leads a minority government which a self-interested, single issue politician from Tasmania, Andrew Wilkie, has threatened to bring down if she does not do exactly as he tells her.
      Stupidly, he forgets that it is not up to the ALP to pass his legislation. That is the role of the Parliament. The ALP can only hope no-one breaks ranks or misses the all-important division in the Reps. The ALP in the Senate can guarantee nothing - either now or after the Greens get control of it in July.

    • jo says:

      11:34am | 21/06/11

      ROBERT S McCormick
      Good post   I think people mistake Kevin Rudds confidence in himself as ego.  confident people get up some people’s noses.
      If you want to pick on anyone you will always find something.
      He is a politition what do you expect, he is no worse than his other fellow polititions in australia. but apparently some are using him as a scape goat at this point in time

    • lolz says:

      12:35pm | 21/06/11

      Politician maybe?

    • Roddy Sexton says:

      10:45am | 21/06/11

      I just love watching the Labor Party slowly rot away,  as the unions are; One day they will be a memory.

    • Bikinis On Top says:

      10:58am | 21/06/11

      I am President of the Daily Telegraph Readers Labor Party Supporters Club.New Members are Welcome. We currently meet in a phone booth outside the Daily Telegraph building.Please write your tributes to the Labor Party on this PUNCH website.

    • dovif says:

      12:13pm | 21/06/11

      Bikinis

      Sorry to disappoint you, the media is not biase

      The problems is we have an incompetant government, which has stuffed everything up (latest cattle trade cover up and Malaysian Solution) who is led by a leader who is sometimes “real” Julia and sometimes “Fake” Julia,and who tells lies often, (I wonder if the nose grows like Pinnocchio’s)

      When a media have that much material to work with, it is difficult for them to even come up with a story, which is remotely favourable to the ALP, it is not the media’s fault, it is mainly the ALP and Julia’s fault

      When you mixes incompetence, with backstabbing, with lying and lack of integrity, you have the ALP government

    • Brian B says:

      01:41pm | 21/06/11

      Wise choice of venue Bikinis - The number of members you attract may not even fill the phone box.

    • Bikinis On Top says:

      11:00am | 21/06/11

      Tony will disappear before Kevin when Tony loses the next federal election with Daily Telegraph support ! The Punch Liberal Party support will be discarded.

    • BJA says:

      11:11am | 21/06/11

      You whine that he was knifed and then you whine that he is still a Minister. The faux outrage is laughable.

    • hermes says:

      11:15am | 21/06/11

      I don’t believe most of the negative stories about Kevin Rudd…after all, these come from, in the main, the ALP plotters, who, if anyone, have vested interests in making him look bad. I think Kevin Rudd is the ONLY person who could possibly lead the ALP back from the wilderness. If they dump the useless, irritating Gillard for another trade union hack, it will not work. The Caucus and powerbrokers may hate Kevin Rudd (they always did) but they would prefer to be on the backbench than the opposition bench. And Kevin Rudd is the only person who can fight fire with fire (aka beat Tony Abbott at his own game). Otherwise, it is going to be a NSW type bloodbath at the next poll…that is, if they can keep the current lot healthy enough not to force a bye-election.

    • Scooter says:

      11:34am | 21/06/11

      Aah the peaceful rerun of the battles between Stalin and Trotsky in the field of Australian Federal Politics.  If this wasn’t so pitiful it could be the screeplay for ‘Animal Farm’.  George would be so proud.

      Where the hell is our Benjamin?

    • Fester says:

      08:27am | 22/06/11

      It’s only a flesh wound…...

    • Amela says:

      12:09pm | 21/06/11

      JohnB says:08:47am | 21/06/11

      I love the concept Edward James…When I get some time I’ll browse through those…Trouble I see is there are very rarely any worthy candidates. Sensible, well rounded, experienced, selfless people don’t typically go in to politics! For me, this is the larger problem.

      Amela - Right on John. Who do we vote for then. I do not like Gillard but Labour as a political party and what they did in the past would be my cup of tea. and I get panic attack when I just think for a second that Tony can be leader of anything. Brrrrrr. Nightmare.

      Anubis says:09:27am | 21/06/11

      Sorry EricK - Gillard has no shred of integrity left to lose.Not a single success can be credited to her. Every policy or Government action she has been involved in has failed/self destructed. She has NO ” last shreds of credibility”

      Amela - Again compleatelly true.

      I know that it is nature of the society to wish that Rudd dissapears. It would be the best, for who, I ask.
      Off course we know who, those who stubbed him in the back, that is who.

      Human nature, that is why those who seek justice or revange for something that was done to them by ugly discussting idiots do not give up. We see it in the favourite movies and we cheer for them to succide in their revange. They usualy form the plan and do not give up until the person or persons responsible for their missfortune pays up and at least gets a bit of taste what it is mean to be on the other side.
      Good on you Kevin, some would not be that smart and they would make fools of them selves as Latham did.

      I had mixed feelings about Rudd as he did something very good such as “Sorry” to lost generation, his policy towards stupid war in Iraq but supporting Afganisthan as a just move, but then he dissapointed me in Copenhagen. However, one thing I was surre of, and that is the fact that I would not like to have him for enemy, too smart and inteligent for the enemy.

    • Michael says:

      12:26pm | 21/06/11

      Did persephone lose her job or something?

      Must be trolling with her alts.

    • Ben C says:

      02:33pm | 21/06/11

      I think she’s sent Bikinis on Top to do her work for her. Shame it’s nowhere near perse’s own quality.

    • Dave says:

      12:30pm | 21/06/11

      These MP’s are not gods that judge and decide what the whole of Australia wants and needs are, we as the electrate should decide what happens here, Labor and Liberal, Greens and these Idiots Parites, only are thinking for them selves , and been paid off by big business, and not what the effects of this major tax will do on the cost of living to all of Australians, as we are already the third highest in the world for the cost of living and these MPS only want to bump it up a lot more, they should be trying to convince USA, India, China, Russia, Europe, all these countries will not endorse Keyoto Why, because they care about their own people, but here we pay these donkeys life pensions for what?? to deem us the 3rd highest in the cost of living in the whole world already, in NSW we will be slugged 18% more on our power from July 2011,this does not include carbon tax, in Vic its the water, the list is just off the roof.. Oh yes what about finalizing the mining tax too, its been a year, another of Labors cover ups, and Liberals and these others are saying nothing at all, why??? these parties are been paid off covertly and who will suffer???? we will… We pay out a further $200 million dollars to other country whilst we have a major nose bleed, why?? cant see any other country doing anything, we are only 22 million people…

    • Amela says:

      05:03pm | 21/06/11

      “the 3rd highest in the cost of living in the whole world already”

      Where did you get those figures, ‘third highest in the whole world’, come on, if you want to invent statistic at least be smart about it, do not overdo it then it is just a stuppid joke and you loose any credibility you had.

      Also it is very funny to even think for the second how much Indian, Chinese and Russian’s govt’s are careing for their people where simple human liberties are not allowed, and USA that lets people die if their do not have health insurance, while simple but costly procedure could save them.

      Do not talk about things you do not have clue about, and be lucky you are living in Australia and you are spoiled rotten.

      Appreciate it while lasts.

    • Zaf says:

      12:32pm | 21/06/11

      “The saying goes that revenge is a dish best served cold. Kevin Rudd has decided that it’s a dish best served gradually.”

      For today’s degustation menu, we’ll be starting with a serve of humiliation topped with schadenfreude, accompanied by an astringent dry white with bile and venom overtones.

    • Evan Williams says:

      12:33pm | 21/06/11

      “There are two ways to deal with dumped political leaders. They can either be accommodated or destroyed. The fatal mistake the Labor Party made when it knifed Kevin Rudd last year was that it tried to do both.”

      Didn’t Bill Hayden stay on as Foreign Minister after being shoved out for Hawke?

    • c1 says:

      03:16pm | 21/06/11

      Bill Hayden was opposition leader when Hawke got rid of him (weeks out from an election). I can see your point, but a big difference from being in government

    • Steve says:

      03:48pm | 21/06/11

      It was totally unprecedented for a first term sitting PM to be replaced.

    • Kika says:

      12:57pm | 21/06/11

      Good article. Though ALL politicians are slightly narcissistic. That’s their job.

      I’ll vote yes for the carbon tax. People will be forced to think about their consumption when costs go up. NZ is already doing it. Whoopeee. So who cares if USA and China isn’t doing it. If they all jumped off a bridge does that mean we have to do it too?

    • Anubis says:

      01:18pm | 21/06/11

      Kika - prices have already spiralled out of reach of the lower end of the economy. Most people have reduced their consumption drastically. What you will get is what we got in Victoria during the Water restrictions. The companies saw their revenues and profits going down as people limited their use so this was then used as an argument to increase their prices, in order to maintain their corporate value. Rubber stamped by the Government. The same will happen with power.

      New Zealand’s scheme is a Trading Scheme not a wholesale tax on the industries. Also, if you were to read up on it you will see that they are maneuvering to reduce the scheme (a handy link was posted on the Punch yesterday).

      As the Carbon (Dioxide) Tax will do nothing to affect climate (confirmed by Garnaut in an interview just a couple of days ago) then why are we getting one ? If you read Garnaut’s report you will see that his plan commits revenue raised 110%, with fantasy reductions to bring it down to 100%. Add to this the 10% tithe of revenue raised to the UN PLUS the cost of establishing and running three levels of bureaucracy to administer the scheme you will see that we will be up around 130-140% committed. If the Tax raises $10 billion dollars this will mean that the Governments bottom line takes a hit of between 3 and 4 billion dollars. This will do nothing to stimulate the development of alternative energy sources and, you have to ask, why is Nuclear generation not even being mentioned, let alone discussed, when it is the only currently available source of base load power generation?

      Other than redistribution of money (the Cash Churn), this Tax will achieve nothing other than to force up prices on everything as it will be passed on at every level of manufacturing, distribution and sales - after all every business has to use power and fuel to create and distribute their products and it has been stated by many businesses that they will just pass the additional costs on to the next level. Eventually this all ends up coming out of the consumer’s pocket with no benefit at all to the environment.

      My vote would be NO.

    • Coop says:

      05:37pm | 21/06/11

      Dream on Kika. You dont have a vote or a say either way on the tax

    • Evan Karras says:

      12:59pm | 21/06/11

      H.V. Evatt said that “...the only truly graceful way out of Australian politics is in a wooden box. That way you get all the dignity of death, a twenty-one gun salute and lots of flowers…”

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      01:19pm | 21/06/11

      Hmmm, Peter Beattie wouldn’t be considering a run at federal politics would he? In a seat that Rudd has turned from a Liberal seat to a relatively safe Labor seat over the past 13 years?

    • 'Utoikamanu, SMT says:

      01:46pm | 21/06/11

      The ALP blamed and dumped an elected PM, and basically trashed the wishes of the voters, on the 23 June 2010. The ALP position in Government deteriorated from then up to the present and they still blame Mr Rudd.

      When will the like of Arbib, Howes, Shorten and others front up and accept full responsibility for their own actions, which resulted at the ALP having no mandate to govern on their own after the 2010 Election and further having an appalling popularity rating at present.

      They should be called to account!!!!!!

    • ausspud says:

      02:32pm | 21/06/11

      If anyone saw snippets of the labor convention last night, Rudd was giving the ÏM GONNA GET YOU BITCH” look the whole time.
      Hes going to do her nice and slowly.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      03:57pm | 21/06/11

      I think the likes of Arbib, Howes, Feeney and Farrell are the sooks and they should be replaced.

      At least Rudd never came up with the delusional idea that he could break the law and sell refugees.

    • AdamC says:

      07:49pm | 21/06/11

      Wouldn’t want to be a one-trick pony would we, Maz?

    • Deano says:

      04:26pm | 21/06/11

      I love the phrase ‘being served a degustation menu of bite-sized shit sandwiches’

    • AndrewO says:

      07:44pm | 21/06/11

      When a government lies and fights with itself and is leader is dishonest to it’s people, without any compunction for it actions, it has to be reset. When a government that was elected does nothing of what the voters have elected it for, but does everything the voters did not elect it for, then it must be voted out!

    • Boggers says:

      07:44pm | 21/06/11

      @ Evan Karras

      I’m sure H.V. Evatt is absolutely right, but I’m sure he wouldn’t have wanted his funeral service at a Catholic Church because those groupers really crucified him.

    • buckyboy says:

      08:18pm | 21/06/11

      Hey Pembo….where is my credit for shit sandwich. Ha Ha Ha!

    • john says:

      10:28pm | 21/06/11

      @buckyboy “Hey Pembo….where is my credit for shit sandwich. Ha Ha Ha! “

      If your talking about labor/rudd, Don’t be greedy we are all eating it….and some.

    • Sony B Goode says:

      10:50pm | 21/06/11

      We need some serious constitutional change including citizen initiated referendums. A limitation of increases of taxation and debt without super majorities. Currently the socialist redhead has incurred around $250b of extra future tax which nobody seems to quite have come to terms yet. That’s about $13,000 for every man woman and child in the country. Makes those $900 cash handouts seem rather paltry.

      Well done to the socialists in power, they are trying hard to force us into bankruptcy, Greek style.

    • Emily says:

      10:54am | 22/06/11

      I don’t give a damn about what ALP will become after the next election.  As far as I am concern they should all go to Hell.  What I am concern about is in 2 years time tens of billions of our taxpayer money will be wasted in the useless NBN, frequent blackout, lost of trades, high unemployment etc.  We did not have to go down the European path.  Look at those countries that wasted their money on green energy, with their economy destroyed.

    • Lay bore says:

      11:08am | 22/06/11

      If you do go Kevin take some of the backstabbing liars and rorters with you.Australians don’t like liars and dishonest people in our governments.When we have an inept socialist government and a lying PM who obtained her position with the help of some very dodgy independents we have nothing but contempt and distrust for them.

 

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