So a crack commando unit of researchers from the University of Western Australia has found that people who place Australian flags on their cars are more likely to express racist attitudes than people who don’t.

Australians who wear fluffy hats are 140 per cent more likely to be female. Picture: The Courier-Mail

The team of researchers discovered this through a comprehensive census of a vast crowd of 102 car-flag-bearing Austrayans havin’ a rip-roarin’ Oz Day barbie in Perth last year. It’s an incredibly groundbreaking and revealing set of data.

Except for the fact it’s a load of codswallop. And we’ve beaten them to the punch, if you’ll excuse the pun.

A year after the crap Uni of WA study was conducted, The Punch can lift the lid on an exhaustive study we’ve been slaving away at over the past 12 months. The study, which involved Punch journalists occasionally gazing at a few people, their cars, and their houses, reveals that there are in fact numerous symbols in society which prove that stuff means stuff to people. And stuff.

For instance:

THE OWNERS of cars with MyFamily bumper stickers are 180 per cent more likely to have families
YOUNG MEN with Southern Cross tattoos are 73 per cent less likely to be able to identify the Southern Cross constellation in the sky than trained astronomers
PEOPLE who wear crucifix necklaces around their necks are 87.5 less likely to celebrate Ramadan than Muslims

Alright, alright.

My point is that this study, as its been presented, reminds me of one of those political polls that asks people leading questions in that it seems to go in with a preconceived notion, comes out with a preconceived notion and doesn’t ask the broader questions about the state of Australian society that you’d think would be the work of top thinkers. 

Anyone who has ever sat in an undergrad uni class can tell you that the easiest way to write a research paper is to:

1) SET yourself a question where you can reach a preconceived conclusion
2) IDENTIFY a research strategy with parameters that will bring about this obvious conclusion in a way that makes you sound really smart and gets you to the word limit
3) REACH preconceived conclusion. Pass, probably with flying colours.

This is especially easy when the info you’re using to write a paper doesn’t have to be statistically sound. Like the data used in this study.

It reminds me of an assignment I did at uni where I compared a tabloid and a broadsheet newspaper’s coverage of an issue. I wasn’t exactly shocked when I reached the conclusion that the tabloid newspaper’s coverage was MORE TABLOID than the broadsheet.

I was happy to pass my degree. But you’d think our big thinkers would set out trying to answer a bigger question than whether some Australians who wrap themselves in (or adorn their cars with) the flag are racist.

Obviously, of some people who identify themselves strongly with an Aussie flag, a few are going to have views that are similar to people who have used and abused the flag as a racist weapon in the past.

We all define ourselves with symbols. In the clothing we wear, the bumper stickers on our cars, the footy jerseys we wear.

And at the same time, when it comes to symbols like the Australian flag – and even the MyFamily stickers – many people recoil at the thought of identifying themselves like that.

The kind of questions that our academics - who get paid to think - should be trying to answer are: why are Australians divided about their flag? Why don’t many Australians feel it is an authentic symbol of what Australia is about? What can we do to make it an inclusive, rather than occasionally exclusive, symbol? 

And in a late development in The Punch’s survey, 83 per cent of people who read this yarn will agree that this flags and racism study has told us absolutely nothing meaningful about the state of Australian society.

If you want to hear something that challenges our thinking about Australia and its cultural symbols, you’d be much, much, much better off reading off Charlie Teo’s Australia Day address yesterday than contemplating the results of this study.

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    • Tubesteak says:

      12:22pm | 24/01/12

      People who place Australian flags on their cars are 100% likely to be bogans.

      Same with people that have southern-cross tattoos.

    • Q.Pham says:

      12:43pm | 24/01/12

      Racist !

    • TM says:

      12:45pm | 24/01/12

      Go up to one of those people and call them that name, I dare you.

      Nah, just one of the delusional elitists who are craven cowards! Who are you to judge others or call them such disgusting names? Look up the meaning of ‘bogan’. People like you disgust me.

    • PW says:

      12:46pm | 24/01/12

      “People who place Australian flags on their cars are 100% likely to be bogans.”

      Notice how many of them also have their right arm hanging (pointing downwards) out the drivers side window. Another sure sign.

      It’s true of course but I don’t understand what it is the rest of us have against showing national pride.

      I’m too busy and couldn’t be bothered. Also I don’t want to look like a bogan.

      One of my son’s female school friends ( just finished Yr 12 at the time) showed up in an extremely skintight Aussie flag top and clearly nothing underneath. I have no objections to this sort of patriotism, provided you’ve got the body to carry it off.

    • Random says:

      01:05pm | 24/01/12

      People who write comments like Tubesteak’s are 100% likely to be self-important tosspots suffering the delusion that other people care what they think.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      01:09pm | 24/01/12

      @TM

      Did you have to clean your computer screen after that?

      No different to the people who say things about Muslims and Arabs on here that wouldn’t say it in real life.

      But not sure your post was real?

    • marley says:

      01:19pm | 24/01/12

      I think that Tubesteak just proved the point made by the blog the other day on bigotry.  Lazy labelling of people as bogans or bigots is just as much evidence of bigotry as is having a southern-cross tattoo or a flag on your car.

    • Tommy Hammond says:

      01:28pm | 24/01/12

      I find most people who label as others as ‘bogun’ are usually some sort of ‘trendy’ idiot that is only capable of looking down on people to make themselves feel better.  As for this study, as an engineer that studied statistic extensivley at uni, this is a very lazy use of sampling that concludes absolutely nothing - all it illustrates that a handful of people that happended to be at the Swan River had Australian and may or have not have racsist attitudes.  I would hope that a university would have higher standards.

    • EL says:

      01:33pm | 24/01/12

      PW, not true. Half have their are upwards and holding the roof of the car on.

    • Caroline says:

      01:34pm | 24/01/12

      So explain why Americans of all racial backgrounds are so proud of their flag.

    • SM says:

      01:35pm | 24/01/12

      “Patriotism is the last refuge,
      to which the scoundrel clings”

      Bob Dylan - 1983

    • TM says:

      01:58pm | 24/01/12

      From Wiki which is not the greatest source but it will do.

      “The term bogan is Australian and New Zealand slang, usually pejorative or self-deprecating, for an individual who is recognised to be from a lower class background or someone whose limited education, speech, clothing, attitude and behaviour exemplifies such a background.”

      People who refer to people as ‘bogans’ indicate that believe they are of higher class and the people they denigrate are a sub class of Australian. Disgusting!

      Oh, bringing in religion and race card to somehow make a cogent point? Funny how people, especially the left put down a certain person because of his religion then defend others.

      A nice piece of selective bigotry and I wouldn’t be casting stones, pal!

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      02:05pm | 24/01/12

      People who place Australian flags on their cars are 100% likely to challenge people in good cars to pointless drag races in their tasteless generic holden / ford. Seriously every time I see either a Southern Cross sticker or Aussie flag, I think ‘here we go again’.

    • Jack says:

      02:27pm | 24/01/12

      @TM
      ‘I dare you to call them bogans, they will totally bash you if you do!’.

      Sweet argument, bro.

    • Tubesteak says:

      02:35pm | 24/01/12

      Q.Pham
      The day bogans become a race is when society has truly died.

      TM
      I call bogans “bogans” all the time. Often to their face. If you’re going to act in a certain way then expect to be labelled as such. I like being called an elitist because I am wink

      Random
      People that write comments stating that other people think other people care what they think obviously also think other people care what they think.

      marley
      I’d rather be a bigot than a bogan.

      Tommy Hammond
      Looking down on other people isn’t the only thing that makes me feel good.

      Caroline
      You want me to comment on Americans? Pass. Too easy.

      TM
      Bogan is as bogan does. There used to be a time where we looked up and tried to better ourselves culturally. That time is long dead. Unfortunately.

    • Max Redlands says:

      02:37pm | 24/01/12

      @ SM

      The full quote is “They say that patriotism is the last refuge…” so Bob (in his typical non-commital way) doesn’t say it, he attributes it to others (i.e.“they say”).

      Ultimately it’s not his idea anyway. The saying is originally credited to Samuel Johnson.

    • Blink says:

      02:49pm | 24/01/12

      Way to make a broad, sweeping generalisation.  Here’s a more specific one for you - “people who have preconceived notions of a person because they place an Australian flag on their car are 100% likely to be bigots”.

    • iMitchy says:

      02:50pm | 24/01/12

      I’ve got a southern cross tattoo.
      As does my wife.
      As does my brother - who btw is an ADF Soldier. He found Accounting boring. (He’ll be frezzing his arse off in Afghanistan this Australia Day).
      We all got our tattoos at different times and for different reasons.

      We can all point out the constellation very quickly in the night sky, and many other constellations too.

      None of us are “bogans”.

      I like to keep my head shaved and only shave my face only about once a week. Hell, I wear bonds singlets, board shorts and thongs, and I have a case of VB cans in the back fridge - right next to two six-packs of Heineken.

      I drive a Kia Carnival - with My Family stickers on the rear windscreen.
      I have a white-collar job - in a multicultural office environment.
      I take public transport to work.
      At least half of my closest friends are first generation Australians or were born overseas.
      I love our flag the way it is.

      To pigeonhole people the way you have Tubesteak, with such blatant stereotypes based only on appearance is no different to racism.

      Open your mind, talk to people. You just might find that the only “bogan” you come across is the one in the mirror…


      PS. I am so sick of the Southern Cross tattoo “bogan” stereotype. I got mine because I feel it symbolises all that is good about the country I love. That includes our rich multicultural society where people with completely different backgrounds walk side-by-side, choosing to focus on their similarities rather than their differences.
      Every fucking January on the Punch it’s the same, David Koch kicked it off last year. Why should I be made to feel that people will see me, a young, white male with SC tattoo, singlet and beer-in-hand, as an intolerant bogan?

      To be honest, I think this stereotype lives only in the internet. And in the Cronulla history books, as I have never seen a real world manifestation of it in person or on the news (once again with the exception of Cronulla, circa no-one-cares-anymore).

    • Blindy says:

      02:56pm | 24/01/12

      You could say the same thing for those with Australian flag tattoos and southern cross stickers on their cars!

    • the digger says:

      03:03pm | 24/01/12

      Gee PW, your boys must love bringing home their girl friends to you.  I hope they don’t ever bring a girl home that you don’t want to fuck, how would you feel then?

    • Sam says:

      03:21pm | 24/01/12

      Wynston,

      Don’t get upset that you keep losing in your so called “good car”.  Just sell your European/Asian junk and go out and buy a quality Austrailian car.  You might even have some money left over to have the pole removed from you behind at the same time smile

    • Sam says:

      03:21pm | 24/01/12

      Wynston,

      Don’t get upset that you keep losing in your so called “good car”.  Just sell your European/Asian junk and go out and buy a quality Austrailian car.  You might even have some money left over to have the pole removed from you behind at the same time smile

    • SC says:

      04:02pm | 24/01/12

      iMitchy,

      i totaly agree with you. I’ve got a SC tattoo as well and yes like you can point out the SC. Unlike the Bogan sterio type I didn’t just get it cause “it’s the in thing dude” I got it because it’s part of the picture in my head of home. home is were the heart is and mine is sitting on my balcony on my mum and dad’s farm stearing at the stars.

      Tubestreak,
      are you secretly what you call a bogan cause thoses who are trying to hide something are normally the first to attack what there trying to hide.

    • The Calico Kid says:

      04:08pm | 24/01/12

      iMitchy, beautifully said and you didn’t even feel the need, to slur anyone else.  Shame about other people here, who have to justify to themselves, their apparent superiority with petty name calling,

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      04:18pm | 24/01/12

      lol ‘quality Australian car’. Good one wink

      I’ll stick with my Japanese junk that was manufactured by the most reliable car manufacturer on the planet, cheers.

      p.s. - it was a dig at the fact that I can’t stand that they all want to race anyone with a remotely decent car, while they’re in their souther cross sticker covered ute that was quite possibly engineered by rain man. I tend to beat them without leaving second gear, then stick to the limit. 5 minutes later they speed past thinking they’ve won, pretty funny stuff. Hate to break it to you Sam, but Australia hasn’t made a good car in quite a while. You have a ute, don’t you…

    • iMitchy says:

      05:15pm | 24/01/12

      @ SC, Exactly. It is a symbol of home.

      @ The Calico Kid, Thankyou, I try to keep reason in my comments and make sure I can back up any claims. Because of this (I think) most users tend not to engage in conversations with me. Most people here are just looking for someone to argue with.

      I would also like to add that there is no “n” in “Australia Day”. I will be celebrating Thursday with at least two non-Australians, that is, that they are not Australian citizens.
      We will be celebrating this country with its faults and flaws, its varied people, of bogans, bigots, either side and between whether born here or not. I will decry “Fuck Off, We’re Full” stickers and applaud those that say “Love It or Leave It”, whether they are on a ute, sedan, a home-grown or import. Respect each other, our laws and our values.

    • The Calico Kid says:

      05:34pm | 24/01/12

      ‘We will be celebrating this country with its faults and flaws, its varied people, of bogans, bigots, either side and between whether born here or not. I will decry “Fuck Off, We’re Full” stickers and applaud those that say “Love It or Leave It”, whether they are on a ute, sedan, a home-grown or import. Respect each other, our laws and our values.’  iMitchy, good onya, cobber!  We’re all in this together, no side is right or wrong, sure we have our problems, but as a country and a people we do stick by our ‘brothers and sisters’ when the time is required.  I’m proud of Australia and her people, no matter what the bigots say.

    • Brian of Moorabbin says:

      05:39pm | 24/01/12

      “Tubesteak says:03:35pm | 24/01/12

      I’d rather be a bigot”


      I think that really just sums up the article nicely…

    • Bertrand says:

      06:03pm | 24/01/12

      It is completely ridiculous to claim that flying the flag makes you a bogan or a racist.

      The water gets a bit murkier when you consider that the flag can be and often is used as a symbol of racist nationalism by a small minority.

      Perhaps it is this misuse of the flag by a small but offensive minority that can lead to the uneasiness about the flag that some people feel.

    • simonfromLakemba says:

      08:11pm | 24/01/12

      @iMitchy

      You can lay the blame on the Cronulla mob that has turned the Southern Cross into a symbol for bogan Australia. I remember reading an article and it had Scott Cam ( he got his SC tattoo like 20 yrs ago ) in it and he was basically saying how all the Cronulla brogans have ruined the meaning of it as half of them wouldn’t even know what it was about.

      As a White Australian everytime i see it on a young Australian kid I shake my head as I know the reason they would generally have it.

      I have an Australian tattoo myself but I keep that to myself and the reasons being for me getting it.

    • Muz says:

      08:22pm | 24/01/12

      @ iMitchy ans SC.  It’s a symbol of home!  Ha.  The constellation is visible to over 50 countries in the southern hemisphere.  What makes you think it’s more special here than anywhere else?  It is on the flag of Brazil you know, as well as PNG, Nui Gini and countless others.

      Ignoramuses are bogan by definition and you sir are ticking a lot of boxes.

    • SK says:

      08:23pm | 24/01/12

      If people want to state the obvious then let them. Just like putting a holden sticker on your holden, or a ford sticker on your ford. Tell us something we don’t know.

    • acotrel says:

      06:36am | 25/01/12

      I am always distrurbed when there is an association between nationalism and racism ! It once cost us the lives of 14 million people.

    • Frank says:

      08:09am | 25/01/12

      these studies are a waste of time and money…and all it does is get the newspapers and radios some filler for the slow news days

    • Old Cobber says:

      10:47am | 25/01/12

      Fair Dinkum!  Some 218 wankers got conned by a mob of piss-tank Uni nerds in a pre-Prosh prank. Now THATS real Aussie for you!!  Q.E.D

    • Old Cobber says:

      10:47am | 25/01/12

      Fair Dinkum!  Some 218 wankers got conned by a mob of piss-tank Uni nerds in a pre-Prosh prank. Now THATS real Aussie for you!!  Q.E.D

    • Bec says:

      11:13am | 25/01/12

      I’m proud of our flag, i happily show it off, Australia Day is to celebrate the first landing of British ships in Sydney Cove in 1788. Funny how people are going on about “The Flag” when the 26th of January was the beginning of the end of Native People’s why of life in this country, be happy for what we have and lets work together to continue building a country thats the envy of the world.

    • iMitchy says:

      03:57pm | 25/01/12

      @Muz,
      I didn’t claim it meant more to me than anyone else, just that it meant something to me.
      It is good to know that there are even more people in the world that I can share a common symbol of home with. Let the Southern Cross unite us all!

      ...and if I happened to tick your bogan box then that’s fine - Cassie Davis loves me.

    • AdamC says:

      12:29pm | 24/01/12

      All good points, Daniel.

      Off-topic a bit, though, I find it quite heartening that the Australian flag seems to be enjoying something of a resurgence in popularity among ordinary Aussies. After all, it wasn’t so long ago that mincing grandees like Paul Keating wanted to replace our national flag with something approximating the Qantas logo, or some randomly-generated green and gold monstrosity. (The design of the replacement flag didn’t seem to matter, so long as it avoided any reference to our British heritage.) I wonder what the chattering elites make of the growing affection for the national flag among us plebian Dalits? I suspect they must be a little miffed!

    • Fancy Shane says:

      01:03pm | 24/01/12

      Miffed? Wrong, @AdamC.

      I embrace the flag waving from the plebs and their mind-numbing idiot associates. It really is so much easier and time saving to know who to ignore or not allow on to my property (usually to “fix” something) with such clear and obvious symbols.

      Mind you, I so rarely see them when I am from, thank goodness. They’re usually driving about in suburbs we speed through on the way to the beach house.

      I insist they keep it up.

    • John L says:

      01:42pm | 24/01/12

      @Fancy Shane: “Mind you, I so rarely see them when I am from”. When? sorry I don’t listen to the opinion of time travelers, unless it’s stock tips.

    • VVS says:

      06:10pm | 24/01/12

      “sorry I don’t listen to the opinion of time travelers, unless it’s stock tips”

      I wouldn’t take stock tips from someone from the past…

    • chuck says:

      12:30pm | 24/01/12

      God I hope no tax payer was labelled with the bill for this ludicrous study?  I get worried about much of the jingoistic flag waving foisted into our living rooms via the networks and cringe at titles like Ozzie Kim and Leyton the last Ozzie chance. No wonder wars start.

    • Dakingisdead says:

      01:28pm | 24/01/12

      Come on! What part of University researchers didn’t you get. Who puts up most of the money for univerisity researchers??

      Anyway Aussie flag does not necessarily equal bogan…but add in a Holden or Ford flag and Possibly a footy team rag, plus chuck a couple of random Buddhas around your front yard and I reckon you are getting pretty close.

    • Fezzbo says:

      12:32pm | 24/01/12

      In other news, 98% of people who said they had been drunk at some point in their life admitted to drinking an alcoholic beverage before being drunk.

      The other 2% were too busy talking on their mobile phones and driving at the same time.

    • subotic says:

      03:17pm | 24/01/12

      In other other news, 78.359% of all statistics were found to be made up on the spot…

      No one cared about the other 22%

    • Reggieman says:

      12:32pm | 24/01/12

      Tell me why exactly Tubesteak that someone who places the Australian flag on their car on our national day is a bogan, and try and explain it without resorting to bigoted stereotypes. Do you hate Australia Tubesteak, because you sure sound like you do.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      12:43pm | 24/01/12

      So you say to Tubesteak to not resort to stereotypes and then you brand him with one.

    • Shane says:

      12:49pm | 24/01/12

      Did you know people who say insufferably stupid things like “do you hate Australia?” are 100% more likely to be dickheads than people who have a chuckle at throwaway comments.

      No need for a formal study on that when we’ve got Reggieman flying the flag for dickheads.

    • Anne71 says:

      01:01pm | 24/01/12

      Reggieman - I’m pretty sure Tubesteak is referring to those people who fly the Australian flag on their car 365 days a year, not just Australia Day.  They may not necessarily be bogans, but they certainly do look silly.  We know what country we are in, we don’t need flags waving from cars to remind us.

      And as for “Do you hate Australia Tubesteak, because you sure sound like you do” -  what, Tubesteak is “unAstrayan” because s/he thinks flying the flag from the car aerial every day is a bit over the top?  If so, then that must make me unAustralian as well. Oh well. Better unAustralian than bogan.

    • Anne71 says:

      01:01pm | 24/01/12

      Reggieman - I’m pretty sure Tubesteak is referring to those people who fly the Australian flag on their car 365 days a year, not just Australia Day.  They may not necessarily be bogans, but they certainly do look silly.  We know what country we are in, we don’t need flags waving from cars to remind us.

      And as for “Do you hate Australia Tubesteak, because you sure sound like you do” -  what, Tubesteak is “unAstrayan” because s/he thinks flying the flag from the car aerial every day is a bit over the top?  If so, then that must make me unAustralian as well. Oh well.

    • Anne71 says:

      01:01pm | 24/01/12

      Reggieman - I’m pretty sure Tubesteak is referring to those people who fly the Australian flag on their car 365 days a year, not just Australia Day.  They may not necessarily be bogans, but they certainly do look silly.  We know what country we are in, we don’t need flags waving from cars to remind us.

      And as for “Do you hate Australia Tubesteak, because you sure sound like you do” -  what, Tubesteak is “unAstrayan” because s/he thinks flying the flag from the car aerial every day is a bit over the top?  If so, then that must make me unAustralian as well. Oh well.

    • Anne71 says:

      01:01pm | 24/01/12

      Reggieman - I’m pretty sure Tubesteak is referring to those people who fly the Australian flag on their car 365 days a year, not just Australia Day.  They may not necessarily be bogans, but they certainly do look silly.  We know what country we are in, we don’t need flags waving from cars to remind us.

      And as for “Do you hate Australia Tubesteak, because you sure sound like you do” -  what, Tubesteak is “unAstrayan” because s/he thinks flying the flag from the car aerial every day is a bit over the top?  If so, then that must make me unAustralian as well. Oh well.

    • Reggieman says:

      01:10pm | 24/01/12

      Shane, these are no “throwaway” lines from Tubesteak. He’s said the same thing several times today on other posts. He honestly, truly believes that those who display pride or love for their country by having flags on their cars are bogans. He is obviously disturbed by displays of patriotism, and sees himself above such displays, therefore one can probably draw the conclusion that he hates Australia.
      Simon, show me where I resorted to stereotype when I referred to Tubesteak’s disdain for this country.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      01:40pm | 24/01/12

      @Reggieman

      “Do you hate Australia Tubesteak, because you sure sound like you do”

      How do you conclude that he hates Australia? You can only conclude that from stereotyping him.

    • Mark says:

      04:17pm | 24/01/12

      Ah simon from lakemba, may want to check on what a steriotype is as that wasn’t one, it was another fancy piece of gramma known as “a question”...

      As for the whole bogan argument, I think most ‘bogans’ probably laugh themselves to sleep every night knowing they are earning twice that of the elitist snobs, making more of their lives with the money they save on pointless clothes and nick nacks to fit in, and are actually in most cases more accepting and likable people….

      I actually wear a suit to work every day in the city and drive a european car, but I do have alot of ‘bogan’ mates and let me tell you they are much better off than us sheep, and couldn’t care less about your italian shoes or your story about the time you ‘lived in new york’. They’re much too busy driving their new cars, boats and jet ski’s they bought with the ridiculous money earned from trades where there are skills shortages.

      The irony is that the ‘bogans’ you speak of are probably actually more ‘financially elite’ than any of us white collar knobs sitting in front of computers all day, they’re just happy enough in their own skin that they don’t feel the need to try and show pony it…

    • John L says:

      12:33pm | 24/01/12

      As long as they don’t try to pass this kind of thing off as science I really don’t care what their conclusion is; they’re just trying to get through some uni course so they can go and get a real job. Still, moderately amusing piece, well done.

    • John L says:

      01:50pm | 24/01/12

      On a different note, it looks like Daniel was one of those responsible for the research paper on Intelligent Design. He certainly knows the method they used.

    • Mel says:

      12:35pm | 24/01/12

      I’m so glad you wrote the article. My only conclusion from the study was that as a Western Australian, I am embarrassed our so considered pre eminent university would even conduct such a useless study, let alone publish it.

    • Nat-Nat says:

      01:40pm | 24/01/12

      @ Mel, I was thinking exactly the same thing! Also a West Australian, I was surprised this kind of research came out of the preceived “top” university…

    • Samantha says:

      02:25pm | 24/01/12

      Hi Mel,

      In the few months I spent living in WA around Australia Day, I was pleasantly surprised at how many people flew the flag all January, it was great to see such a blatent pride in our nation that didn’t appear boganistic at all.  The Lottery West Skyworks were phenomenal and overall, it was a lovely time of the year to be in WA.

      To then read that this study was carried out in such a place saddened me. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one.

    • Erick says:

      03:01pm | 24/01/12

      Our universities have become permeated with political correctness.

      As such, they are pretty much useless, apart from the hard sciences.

      But don’t fear - the Internet will soon replace our broken universities, even as it’s now replacing our broken media.

    • Luke says:

      03:50pm | 24/01/12

      Well said Erick!

    • Bertrand says:

      06:11pm | 24/01/12

      @Erick - right wing intellectuals and journalists, etc also had to go to uni.

      I had plenty of lecturers who had firm right wing views, and plenty that had left wing views.

    • Mattb says:

      06:34pm | 24/01/12

      Erick- I take it from your comments you didn’t enjoy university

    • Daemon says:

      07:46am | 25/01/12

      Referring to Erick not enjoying university, can I point out that there were girls there, ergo, of course he hated it.

    • Seth Brundle says:

      11:44am | 25/01/12

      The study had a sample size of 102 people.  I conducted more statistically relevant studies in primary school.

    • Monty says:

      12:39pm | 24/01/12

      “My point is that this study is just like one of those political polls that asks people leading questions: ” I assume you’ve read the paper and the questions then? Because that’s certainly an accusation that needs to be backed up.

      That said I wonder at the point of this study. Flag-waving morons are racist? Really? Given the high correlation between car-flags, “f#ck off we’re full” stickers and southern cross tattoos, I would never have guessed.

    • Michael says:

      12:40pm | 24/01/12

      People who vote green are 93% more likely to classify their fellow countrymen as bogans and racists.

    • Lavadevil says:

      02:44pm | 24/01/12

      Yes, because those who vote green are actually enlightened about the state of our planet and the world!

    • Willo says:

      03:25pm | 24/01/12

      Yes Lavadevil or completely dilluded and brainwashed, whichever one suits you….

    • Ben C says:

      03:49pm | 24/01/12

      @ Willo

      Or they’re smoking some seriously weird stuff.

    • Tony H says:

      12:41pm | 24/01/12

      My own personal extensive research has found that multi-culti hand wringing inner city lefty socialist PC obsessed people are most often employed in the public service and universities or sometimes living on arts grants. Anyway, I’m off now to buy some car flags and maybe a big one for the front porch with some hope of causing discomfort to such people.

    • Smithy says:

      11:48am | 25/01/12

      Also in welfare, particularly those areas involving the emasculation of boys by leftward leaning, short-haired, bib-and-brace-overall-wearing misandrists who demonstrate/espouse a deep distrust/hatred of their fathers, uncles and anyone else with a dick.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      12:41pm | 24/01/12

      What pisses me off more then anything with this is it was done by a University? Didn’t think they would stoop this low.

    • James1 says:

      01:09pm | 24/01/12

      And their methodology is distinctly lacking in every respect.  How can they even begin to claim their conclusions have any validity?

      Methodoly and ontology are dead to me now.

    • James1 says:

      01:10pm | 24/01/12

      And their methodology is distinctly lacking in every respect.  How can they even begin to claim their conclusions have any validity?

      Methodology and ontology are dead to me now.  Sorry if this is posted twice - stopped it to fix a spelling error.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      01:41pm | 24/01/12

      True James1, true.

    • Bev says:

      03:11pm | 24/01/12

      James1 says:02:09pm | 24/01/12

      And their methodology is distinctly lacking in every respect.  How can they even begin to claim their conclusions have any validity?

      That exactly is the problem.  This sort of BS is passed off as serious research by some elements.  It then goes on to be peer reviewed and cited by fellow travellers in a round robin of BS.  Worse it is used to inform and direct Government policy and legislation.

    • Trilby says:

      12:43pm | 24/01/12

      I always used to wonder about people who wore those stupid ‘Poo-Shooter’ t-shirts.

    • mark says:

      03:21pm | 24/01/12

      get with the times, its Ed Hardy T’s nowadays.

    • Iron Chef says:

      12:45pm | 24/01/12

      Daniel does also mean that every “poll” hosted by mainstream media outlets is flawed because the people that respond don’t represent an accurate cross-section of Australian society? Who’d have thunk it…

    • Erick says:

      12:47pm | 24/01/12

      And this is why we should stop wasting taxpayers’ money on certain parts of the “education” sector.

      Politically motivated “studies” with predetermined outcomes have no value. Let “social” academics serve customers at McDonalds - at least they will then contribute something to society!

    • Random says:

      01:23pm | 24/01/12

      Hear bloody hear!

      (that’s bogan-speak for “I heartily agree with the above comment” for all you pinko scum that didn’t understand)

    • Sandle says:

      06:16pm | 24/01/12

      @Random… I think you’ll find it’s ‘fuckin’ oath!’

    • rob says:

      07:44am | 25/01/12

      I nominate Erick’s post as the best of the year.

    • Sizzle Chest says:

      12:49pm | 24/01/12

      These uni-idiots have too much time on their hands. I remember reading results of some of their research that said Dockers supporters were most likely to eat Chicken Treat while Eagles supporters chose Red Rooster, or some such shit. Who gives a flying fuck ?
      My research tells me that most uni students are as thick as shit and waste everyones time.

    • amy says:

      12:58pm | 24/01/12

      aren’t you a charming person?

      its all steryotypes really….and somtimes they are there for a reason

    • Daniel says:

      01:08pm | 24/01/12

      Are you female by any chance?
      If you are, I love you already.
      If you are male, I still love you but will refrain from my next question.

    • SLF says:

      01:14pm | 24/01/12

      I imagine the people making commercial decisions on behalf of the Dockers, Eagles, fast food manufacturers, stadium caterers, planners, retail managers and so on and so on probably do. Hell even Dockers and Eagles fans do if it means they get their snack of choice and the club more $.

      Just because the research has no value to you doesn’t mean it doesn’t have value.

    • Finn says:

      01:16pm | 24/01/12

      For starters, Red Rooster and Chicken Treat probably care, especially if it turned out they were endorsing the wrong team.

      My research says you never went to uni, or realised how hard it can be. Sssssssscience!

    • Sizzle Chest says:

      02:05pm | 24/01/12

      @Amy - Yes !
      @Daniel - Yes ! And they’re spectacular !
      @ SLF and Finn- Refer to my second last sentence !

    • Smidgeling says:

      02:39pm | 24/01/12

      Sizzle Chest- referring people to an idiotic sentence in light of a valid point does not make a good argument.

      Information on consumer preference that signals where to sell and who to sell to is very valuable.Have you ever seen an advert and thought “Why are they advertising that to me? I’m not interested in that!” If so, there’s a good chance they lacked good information on what your demographic likes.

      Of course, that must be total nonsense- it was just by chance that Apple is able to sell an inferior product at the same price as other mobile phone companies!

    • Sizzle Chest says:

      04:32pm | 24/01/12

      Smidgeling- Tell some who gives a shit !

    • Mattb says:

      06:50pm | 24/01/12

      Daniel - ask her for her phone number, she’d probably be dopey enough to post it up here for you.

    • Finn says:

      07:39pm | 24/01/12

      Translation of Sizze’s last comment: Sir, I have to concede I have no proper rebuttal of this concise and accurate summation of the reality, therefore I choose to pretend that I am somehow superior by means of addressing your argument as if noone cared, which as we have shown ipso facto to be the opposite! Good day!

    • Levi says:

      08:02am | 26/01/12

      Finn you’re like a little kid who has to get the last word in to feel like they have won an argument. Seriously, get a job.

    • Bob says:

      12:50pm | 24/01/12

      One question, just to put things in perspective: Does Daniel fly Australian flags from his car?

    • fml says:

      12:53pm | 24/01/12

      “The team of researchers discovered this through a comprehensive census of a vast crowd of 102 Austrayans havin’ a rip-roarin’ Oz Day barbie in Perth last year. It’s an incredibly groundbreaking and revealing set of data. “

      Daniel, maybe you would like to read the article, it was 513 people surveyed. Not 102, not a vast majority i do agree, but probably better to be accurate, no?

    • fml says:

      01:21pm | 24/01/12

      That’s fair enough, no harm done, still a very low number, probably too busy having a beer and enjoying the sun to survey everyone smile

    • impossible soul says:

      01:37pm | 24/01/12

      Maybe you’d like to take your own advice fml. smile

    • fml says:

      01:53pm | 24/01/12

      Impossible soul,

      How exactly have i misquoted the article?

    • iMitchy says:

      03:25pm | 24/01/12

      It would be interesting to know the racial backgrounds of the survey participants.

      I think we have all been a little fooled here - did you picture all of the participants as white, Australian born low-to-middle income earners (or miners)? I bet you did. They would all have to be at least driving age too.

      Is that a good representation of “Australians”? If this is indeed the criteria of the participants in the study then it should be stated in the findings. It is an important part of the information.

      Maybe there was Indian-born Australians who flew the flags on their car last year who believe that “the White Australia Policy has helped Australia avoid the problems the UK is currently experiencing”.

      What a question!

    • Fiddler says:

      12:54pm | 24/01/12

      sounds a lot like how the IPCC does business!!!

    • Seth Brundle says:

      11:52am | 25/01/12

      This is not accurate.

      I have no problem believing that the data stated by this study is accurate, however poorly their research techniques were executed.

      The IPCC on the other hand, actually MODIFIES whatever data they have to suit their desired outcome.  There is a subtle difference.

    • Jonathan says:

      12:56pm | 24/01/12

      You mightn’t like the idea of the study, or think that it is worth doing in the first place, but the simple fact is that out of 513 (not 102, your reading comprehension could do with a bit of work) participants, those who flew Australian flags were more likely to endorse racist attitudes. This doesn’t mean the flag makes you racist, or even that being racist makes you fly the flag. It is simply pointing out that flag flyers are more likely to endorse racist attitudes. The scientific illiteracy of this opinion piece and the comments is extremely disenheartening.

    • Erick says:

      01:40pm | 24/01/12

      Meh. I had a look at the survey questions.

      Five out of six had nothing to do with racism at all. Only one question had any relevance to the topic.

      This is just another bullshit piece of advocacy research. It demonstrates why we should simply ignore such nonsense, and stop paying our tax money to fund it.

    • Kate says:

      01:41pm | 24/01/12

      No, Jonathan, your response is disheatening.
      503 = .00253 of Australia’s population
      Of those, 101 flew flags. Of THOSE, 43% (which weirdly equates to 44.29 people) agreed to the extremly leading question about the White Australia Policy. That proves nothing. 25% of non flag flyers agreed to the leading question also. So, it was actually 44.29 flag flying people VS 125 non flag flying people who agreed with the stupid statement. Now who’s racist?! You can’t say the scientific illiteracy in this piece is opinion piece is any worse than the complete lack of scientific basis of the study. For percentages to mean something you need to have a decent sample size. FACT.

    • The Jackal says:

      02:29pm | 24/01/12

      Jonathan - 102 people with flags asked 6 questions with only one being on topic and you think it’s scientific ? Your comments are extremely disheartening.

    • Jim says:

      05:30pm | 24/01/12

      @Jonathan - “The scientific illiteracy of this opinion piece and the comments is extremely disenheartening.”

      Way to make yourself look like an a-grade nub! If you think that 43% of 102 people (not 513…I suggest you re-read the article) is representative of anything more than a bingo hall then you probably believe that Elvis is alive, he directed the fake moon landing, and the IPCC knows shit from clay!

    • Andrew says:

      01:00pm | 24/01/12

      They polled 513 people.
      102 had flags attached to their cars.

      My polling suggestst 100% of columnists who are numericaly illitereate have ‘opinions’ that are irrelevant.

    • Daniel says:

      01:01pm | 24/01/12

      The Herald Sun should be ashamed for giving this garbage any air time. A once respected publication is now nothing more than a non-glossy version of New Idea. Absolute garbage.

      Only this morning they “told” us that Australian tax-payers footed the bill for the trinkets the Queen gave out on her recent visit.
      Half an hour later, the PMs office denied this.
      Would there have been any harm in asking the PMs office first?
      Of course there would have been - because there then wouldn’t have been a story to print.

      We all judge people from the outset. No one can deny this.
      I am happy to admit that upon meeting a person, if they advise that they are religious and/or a Herald Sun reader, then I automatically see them as of a lower intelligence than I.

      That’s all. Thanks.

    • Cynicised says:

      09:35pm | 24/01/12

      The Herald-Sun was once respected? News to me!

    • Bill says:

      10:17pm | 24/01/12

      @ Cynicised - the Herald Sun is the most popular, most purchased newspaper in the country. You are on the outside, my friend, Go buy the age if you like reading left wing nonsense.

    • Zoyd says:

      04:50am | 25/01/12

      Sadly, you’re another one who’s missed the target. The piece was not in the Herald Sun - and that is a Melbourne daily that has been wallowing at the lowest possible standard for decades. News Ltd “product”.

      The piece in fact was from the Sun Herald - the SMH on Sunday. Never been more than Sunday froth, in my opinion.

    • Daemon says:

      12:27pm | 25/01/12

      “the Herald Sun is the most popular, most purchased newspaper in the country”.

      This clearly proves that there are more bogans (should “bogans” be capitalised, since they are a subset of a Nationality, which most assuredly should be), than we thought… Who’d a thunk it, (to quote an earlier reveller in the stupidity of both the topic and the research).

      With all this rain, keeping the content flowing is starting to be good for my tired old eyes.

      What’s your take on this Erick?

    • BS says:

      01:02pm | 24/01/12

      The main reason Australian flag has been used by those Racist Bogans, only because the flag design is out dated, it doesn’t represent our current society, the society is formed by people from all different background. If pollies keep putting their head in the sand , I can see soon or later this could cause a major social unstable, do some real job, sort out some real problem, work harder you those fat A** pollies!

    • Aias says:

      01:06pm | 24/01/12

      I highly doubt anyone running the study was aiming for it to be put in the Journal of Sociology. Dr. Fozdar doesn’t list any journal articles that look to have come out of the study (http://www.uwa.edu.au/people/Farida.Fozdar).

      Something tells me this was a study run to tech students how to do survey work and not something that was meant to be a true bit of research.

      At least I hope it was…

    • Bev says:

      02:55pm | 24/01/12

      Sowhy publish unless you are running an agenda.

    • MikeS says:

      01:08pm | 24/01/12

      97% of Statistics are made up.

      78% of people know that.

    • TheBrad says:

      01:43pm | 24/01/12

      100% Agree With Your 97% Statistic

    • AFR says:

      01:56pm | 24/01/12

      I’ll see your 100% and say i’m 110% in agreement. What were we talking about again?

    • The Jackal says:

      02:30pm | 24/01/12

      Bloody lies and statistics -

    • Just saying.... says:

      01:08pm | 24/01/12

      I am a proud Aussie, I love this country and have no desire to be anywhere else, I feel the southern cross and the flag are beautiful symbols of this county I love, I want to wave he flag standing next to my Indigenous or Asian born or Arabic descendant friends (who are Aussies today) as well as when I am out with my Aussie family but I don’t display them in stickers or flag waving because I don’t want to be labelled a bogan. There is something sad and wrong there.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      01:55pm | 24/01/12

      No one says you cant. I think the whole Bogan is a complete package. Drinks bundy rum, has a southern cross tattoo, orange skin, peroxide hair etc etc.

      I think your attitude in your post is great.

    • Sarah says:

      02:47pm | 24/01/12

      @Simon from Lakemba.

      No its not peroxided hair - its that godawful dyed black that so many are going around with, to ‘compliment’ their orange skin

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      03:23pm | 24/01/12

      @Sarah

      And the tramp stamp to go with it. Shudder!

    • oh well says:

      03:51pm | 24/01/12

      My volunteer fire brigade fly the Australian flag from our fire truck on Australia Day. Does that label a highly respected unit of the community Bogan’s?
      I agree that it is sad that this culture has made proud Australians being labelled is a manner that is disheartening. As long as i can remember my family has flown the Australian flay every Australia day 9 times out of 10 on our car. My family come from 5 different nationalities and I’m proud of it. Who really cares if you fly it or not.  If you don’t like it the solution is simple DON’T FLY IT!!! Let those who want to do it.
      I guess because I fly the flag from my car and have a tattoo of the Southern Cross it makes me a Bogan. Oh well guess privet schooling didn’t help: /

    • T-rev says:

      06:12pm | 24/01/12

      “privet schooling”...? What a waste of your parent’s money.

    • Lori says:

      06:33am | 25/01/12

      @T-rev
      Privet schooling - educated in the bush?

    • Just saying.... says:

      01:08pm | 24/01/12

      I am a proud Aussie, I love this country and have no desire to be anywhere else, I feel the southern cross and the flag are beautiful symbols of this county I love, I want to wave he flag standing next to my Indigenous or Asian born or Arabic descendant friends (who are Aussies today) as well as when I am out with my Aussie family but I don’t display them in stickers or flag waving because I don’t want to be labelled a bogan. There is something sad and wrong there.

    • The Proud Aussie-Brit says:

      07:05pm | 24/01/12

      True, me too.

      Reminds me of the shame associated with flying the English flag up until a few years ago, because “that’s a symbol of racism”, but you could be a proud Scotsman, Irishman or Welshman and NO ONE would say anything.

      What a load of garbage.

    • simonfromLakemba says:

      08:00pm | 24/01/12

      @Proud Aussie-Brit

      Well the British don’t exactly have a good track record with their treatment of the Irish do they? If I was irish id be flying my flag pretty proudly.

      Will be interesting to see if Scotland gets their independence.

    • The Proud Aussie-Brit says:

      06:45pm | 27/01/12

      Well simon, neither do the IRA have a great track record of treating innocent British people that well.  Suck that up.

    • Michael says:

      01:10pm | 24/01/12

      Coming from a uni environment, I suspect that this whole thing was merely a media release summary of a deeper research project most of which has nothing to do with Australia day or racism.

    • Michael says:

      01:23pm | 24/01/12

      so the timing was just convenient, is that what you are saying?

    • Barry says:

      01:12pm | 24/01/12

      One thing a lot of aussies don’t understand is symbolism. The meaning behind a flag is very important in the showing the rest of the world how progressive a country is. How could new Australians or ones that had to suffer intolerable racist behaviour from anglos in past decades embrace a symbol that represents so many negative things? Think about it fellow Australians before you open you ugly mouths to comment. Most people i know hate our current flag and hate everything that it stands for and it seems only the mass ignorants in this country have embraced. They use the flag to hide behind “australian core values” which sorry to say australia has none. I mean why should we as Australians feel proud of the current design? The union jack stands for Anglo culture, which has historically been pretty bad in this country, even up until recently with the way politicians have used to to garner votes from the dumb majority in Australia.

    • Leah says:

      01:31pm | 24/01/12

      Barry if you are so stuck in the past that the Australian flag means only one or two specific things to you, that’s your problem. New Australians wouldn’te even know about the bad history that the flag is associated with so why would it bother them? It’s also pathetic that anybody would associate a country’s flag with racism… I am sure every country in the world has its racist moments in history yet is that reason for all their citizens to be ashamed of their flag? No. It’s like being ashamed of your name because someone with the same name as you once did something bad but ignoring all the good other people who share your name might have done.

    • Smeagol's Wife says:

      02:13pm | 24/01/12

      @Barry, very glad I don’t know you or any of your friends.  You hate the flag and all it stands for.  Which presumably that means everything that has been done in thid country since the flag was first flown.  How sad a life you live.  Where would you be happy?  Then again, do you know how to be happy?  I love the flag.  I love the reminder the the anglo settlement.  I love the southern cross.  But maybe you would be much happier if we simply hoisted up a great big sorry sign and all sat around and wept.  Miserable jerk.

    • Barry says:

      03:52pm | 24/01/12

      Well these two comments back up how ignorant most Australians are. What about a flag that does away with our bad history and one that doesn’t disrespect the original custodians of this land? What about a flag that truly represents Australia in 2012! How could anyone be proud of the achievements of this country whilst looking up at that hideous piece of old english imperialism? HOW? By burying your head in the sand like most anglo australians have.

    • Ali says:

      01:19pm | 24/01/12

      I don’t think the writer of this article understands the difference between qualitative and quantitative research. The current study is reporting quantitative results. Perhaps the researchers will conduct a qualitative study in the future to answer the ‘why’ question. There is no need to be disrespectful of research, particularly when you don’t fully understand it.

    • Daniel Piotrowski

      Daniel Piotrowski says:

      01:30pm | 24/01/12

      Hi Ali,

      Look, largely a fair criticism.

      I don’t think the quantitative data released really means a whole lot. It just doesn’t seem like a developed enough survey to be released to the media/be taken seriously.

    • Your name:Stephen says:

      01:40pm | 24/01/12

      Indeed and agree.

      I have idea:
      Maybe they should do a study on the cognitive dissonance in bogan circles between claiming the right to spout racist bull**** “becuase it’s a free country” and telling Uni student what they should study (not anything they don’t see as worthy) and where they should work (ie McDonalds).

    • fml says:

      02:20pm | 24/01/12

      @Your name:Stephen says.

      Because some people think its a freer country for some than others. Some think they have a greater right to tell others how to live.

      How can that be so? In a democracy, the right to tell others how to live is greater than the right for people to choose how to live.

      What right do i have to tell people how to live? How many generations does my family have to be here until i can tell immigrants how to live?

      Or if they are not breaking the law, can they do what they bloody well want.

    • wearestardust says:

      05:33pm | 24/01/12

      I don’t think Daniel’s take is that far off the mark.  On the one hand, the results intuitively seem to provide the same level of amazement as research showing that men drink more when at barbecues at Christmas than at other times (yes srsly).

      On the other hand, it’s a small sample, we don’t have a clear idea of how selection was done, we don’t have access to the questions asked, nor do we know the level of statistical significance (if any) - just a presser from UWA (which most media outlets seem to have reproduced word for word).  Not really good enough for a uni.

    • Sir Osis says:

      01:20pm | 24/01/12

      Why is it, when someone points out the obvious fact that we are still a predominantly white anglo and still racist country, everyone gets bristly and defensive? Pretending its not there won’t help. Having a chinese meal once every few weeks doesn’t not mean you support multiculturalism.

      The undercurrent goes further than the “Oz: Love it or Leave it” and “F**k off, we’re full” bumper stickers.

      Its like children putting their fingers in their ears, and yelling “I’M NOT LISTENING LALALALALALALALALALALA” hoping that it will go away.

    • Surely says:

      01:46pm | 24/01/12

      Because stating we are a racist country ,(Charlie TEO didnt , if thats who you are referring to ) is a ridiculous generalization which is not designed to solve anything and doesn’t deserve any further discussion.

    • fml says:

      02:16pm | 24/01/12

      @surely,

      Like “most immigrants stay on benefits their entire lives”, “Most immigrants dont pay taxes”, “Most immigrants are trying to overtake the country and change our laws”, “All muslims are blood thirsty terrorists, their koran tells them so”, “All muslims want sharia law introduced”.

      Like these too?

      Why are some ridiculous generalisations accepted and others are not? Why are people incapable of seeing the falsehood of their own generalisations?

    • Smeagol's Wife says:

      02:32pm | 24/01/12

      @Sir Osis, what a ridiculous post.  How do you know we are predominantly a racist country?  Because of a survey of 500 or so people.  Wow!  I am not racist, nor are my circle of friends.  I am also not racially vilified.  You don’t know my skin colour but I am Australian and that sort of crap attitude annoys me.  If the people you mix with are racist, and you don’t like it, then change your friends.  I have seen lots of whites abusing asians, and arabs abusing whites, and browns abusing whoever.  So what?  The actions of the few do not constitute the culture of the country.  Anyway, get back on your lecture stool and tell us all what naughty people we are.  Another miserable jerk.  Maybe you and Barry should get together for a good old whinge.

    • Rick says:

      01:26pm | 24/01/12

      They should teach what is true democracy a la Switzerland in which only the people are sovereign with the legal right to modify the constitution and any laws via a petition and not just be the slave of a few political parties in power and I’m sure we would be a more reax and comfortable society that we are today under the strict regime of tolerance…put up and shut up.

    • marley says:

      02:19pm | 24/01/12

      I wouldn’t, myself, describe Switzerland as a “relaxed and comfortable” society.  Anxious, judgemental, closed, materialistic, yes.  Relaxed, no.

    • calan macleod says:

      01:28pm | 24/01/12

      Racism exists in every country in the world. Travel and you can experience this. The Australian flag is our flag, fly it with pride. Racism has nothing to do with our flag and trying to creat a debate connecting the two together is not condusive to a harmonious society.

    • S.L says:

      01:29pm | 24/01/12

      0 of the Aussie flag draped dopes that drag their knuckes past my house (on a main road) are heading to the pub (up the road) to get a patriotic skinful until ejected by the (Pacific Islander/non Australian) bouncer then they stagger back past my house yelling abuse at the top of their voices because they can’t figure out why they got punted! I look forward to this every Australia day…...........

    • T-rev says:

      06:15pm | 24/01/12

      How does this happen if there are 0 of them…?

    • Waz says:

      01:33pm | 24/01/12

      Why is it that people from other nations can proudly wave their flags in honor of their countries of origin that they obviously love, yet here in Australia we’ve got so called academics who have contributed nothing to society other than labeling proud Australians as bogans and racists. If I were to go to say the middle east and I waved the Australian flag in the middle of a village I’d probably be executed for my actions and then labeled stupid by my fellow Australians, however would those same Australians label the Afghans as racists for my demise? There’s nothing wrong with having an opinion, and there’s nothing wrong with disliking a particular race of people, the only time it becomes an issue is when a person conveys their thoughts using violence. Stand proud Australians and be proud because unlike some academics thousands of young Australian men have died to protect our flag.

    • The Headless Ghost of SLF says:

      01:50pm | 24/01/12

      So true. Happens all the time.

      When I lived in the middle east we had an Australia Day party, complete with Lamingtons, beer, a barbie and plenty fo flag waving as we celebrated the home we loved and missed, It was out little way to have some fun and remember the lucky country in the little corner of the UAE we resided.

      But then the anti-flag waving death squad turned up and had us all executed, because unbeknownst to us you actually do get executed for waving Australian flags in the middle east. It really put a dampener on events. Especially when my head was chopped off and people at home called us stupid.

    • Waz says:

      02:28pm | 24/01/12

      When you lived in the middle east? Truth be known you most likely couldn’t afford the cab fare to the airport let alone a plane ticket to the Middle East, not to mention the fact that you probably also voted for the Australian Labor Party at the last federal election.

    • margaret says:

      01:34pm | 24/01/12

      Maybe the theory is that , IF they get enough ” experts ” to continue to tell us what racists we all are , it WILL come to pass .......

      I am neither a racist NOR a bogan , and resent the statement which has been made by these university knowalls ......to fly the Australian flag and join in the celebrations which take place on the 26th. to celebrate our great country is , to me , a natural thing to do ........WHAT a shame that a group of supposed intellectuals cannot see it for WHAT IT ACTUALLY is all about…....
      FORGET the analysing and give thanks for the blessings which come from living here .......

    • the cynic says:

      01:39pm | 24/01/12

      I have an Aussie flag in the front garden, my government has made it so expensive to have it lit up at night so I raise and lower it 365 days a year as that is the correct protocol.  Does this make me a racist ? And as for that stupid survey in WA uni…. Codswallop….. 100 odd people out of over 22.8 million and the rest of the made up assumptions are just that ‘assumptions’. All from a woman with an ethnic background , an axe to grind and a PHd. How do they get taxpayers money to come up with s….t ?

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      02:11pm | 24/01/12

      Bit off there mate, she isn’t ethnic. She was born with a white last name.

    • Bill says:

      01:40pm | 24/01/12

      Overt exhibitions of the flag proves one thing: Ignorance. Ignorance because it shows a lack of empathy for the aboriginal community. Ignorance because it shows the wearer has nothing of substance to say except “I’m Australian” (like the other 20 million people who live here aren’t?). Ignorance because it does not show unity or solidarity to “invaders” it shows lack of imagination.

    • Smeagol's Wife says:

      02:36pm | 24/01/12

      Yeah Bill, better not let them pesky aboriginals start thinking they are part of the Australian community.  They might even end up wanting to vote.  Yep, bit ignorant to happily declare to everyone else you are happy to celebrate Australia day.  Sort of reminds me of those ignorant people who go round singing happy birthday at someone once a year - - - as if we all don’t have a birthday.  Yep and finally, lets show those imaginative invaders (or invaders of your imagination?)  they got the right place by waving that flag in our ignorant, silly manner.  Another candidate for the fun police, I see.

    • Angela says:

      01:40pm | 24/01/12

      To UWA surveyors,
      Ever been to the U.S.of A? 
      Flags of every nation fly on a majority of buildings, private and otherwise.
      I dare you to call them racist.

    • fml says:

      01:59pm | 24/01/12

      The point of the survey was not to call flag wavers racist, the point of the survey was to indicate the prevalence of an ideology amongst flag wavers.

      Flag wavers are not racist merely for waving a flag.

      Whether the survey is indicative of the wider population, thats for future studies.

    • Angela says:

      01:40pm | 24/01/12

      To UWA surveyors,
      Ever been to the U.S.of A? 
      Flags of every nation fly on a majority of buildings, private and otherwise.
      I dare you to call them racist.

    • george says:

      01:40pm | 24/01/12

      Good work @fml. This was the first thing I thought without even knowing that 513 people were actually surveyed but I easily concluded from the news.com.au article which stated ‘of the 102 people surveyed on the day who had attached flags to their cars’ that this most likely meant that more than 102 were surveyed and 102 were the ones with flags.

      Daniel, I read the first couple lines of your blog and skipped the rest because you obviously got your facts wrong. You should man up and put an update at the top of your post stating they surveyed a vast crowd of 513 and so your article is irrelevant as that was the whole point of your article.If you think 513 is still not enough then I’d like to see how many people you could get to agree to a survey while they are bbq’ing it up on Perth’s foreshore on Australia Day. I didn’t go to UWA but they are a reputable uni and I think they would know how to conduct a suvery.

    • Homer Simpson says:

      01:43pm | 24/01/12

      You can come up with statistics to prove anything.

      14% of people know that.

    • wayne of Brisbane says:

      01:43pm | 24/01/12

      Sir Osis and you mean what?  We are no more racist than anyone else and yes we are mainly a white society here in Australia.  Not necessary anglo maybe anglo-saxon, irish, welsh and scottish and then all the other European’s that came later and then all the others.

    • TheBrad says:

      01:56pm | 24/01/12

      Flags make people racist, like spoons made Rosie O’Donnell fat

    • Val Thor says:

      02:02pm | 24/01/12

      Google Petrodollar and find the real reason you should be flying the flag.

    • Esteban says:

      02:09pm | 24/01/12

      Is there racism in Australia? Of course. There is racism in in every country in the world.

      I would rank Australia as one of the least racist countries in the world. Our small amount of racism is not subtle unlike many other countries. Like with many things in Australia what you see is what you get.

      There is an inverse relationship between actual racism levels and the obsession with exposing it.

      For such a minor issue in Australia we spend a lot of time obsessing over it.

    • Willo says:

      02:51pm | 24/01/12

      I agree, It’s just that in Australia people have the right to call people racist and get away with it without any real evidence, in other countries you wouldn’t even dare label any individual a racist unless they outright did something specifically and obviously racist to someone else. Freedom of speech which we take for granted is a wonderful and horrible thing all at the same time…

    • Rob Herron says:

      02:12pm | 24/01/12

      Well I am not much into flags but don’t agree with the ridiculous proposition being put forward by a few academics that being proud of the old fashioned Australian values we grew up with constitutes racism.

    • TominSyd says:

      02:13pm | 24/01/12

      Time for a new flag.

    • Smeagol's Wife says:

      03:24pm | 24/01/12

      Yes indeed it is TominSyd.  I propose we have a nice old nanny, cuddling a gender neutral child.  The background can be the lovely white of cotton wool and along the borders the colours of the rainbow to reflect the wonderful multi-cultural society of ours.  But the problem is we won’t be able to fly it - that would be far to much a display of boganism and the fun police can’t have that.  Oh, decisions, decisions eh?

    • TheBrad says:

      02:13pm | 24/01/12

      Racism and Patriotism are sadly often confused especially by minority groups who create gross generalisations regarding a countries tolerance and acceptance of others based on isolated examples of poor behaviour.

      The Australian flag is a symbol of Australia – end of story.

      Whimsical stories purporting that displaying of a nations flag is akin to a ku klux klan convention are deconstructive at best and only serve to make us un-proud of our current identity and heritage as the “luck country”. Diggers died to make it possible for all of us to enjoy our current life, ensuring we speak English as our common language and in their honour we should keep the flag and keep our identity and we should never be ashamed of this country we all love, Australia.

      If your offended by this patriotism and wish to label all of us racists then consider the hard fact that there a plenty of other nations less tolerant and less accepting than modern Australia is today.

      If your not of Australian born origin then do a comparison of ‘tolerance’ and ‘racism’ and ‘oppression’ between Australia and your country of birth. Australia wins hands down. Case Closed.

    • Samantha says:

      02:35pm | 24/01/12

      @TheBrad,

      I think the real problem is that people have become complacent in our lucky country and feel that everything should be spoon-fed to them from a silver platter.  It wasn’t the case 100 years ago when people had to die to ensure its survival as the lucky country.

    • James says:

      02:13pm | 24/01/12

      Hi Daniel,

      I’d be interested to know whether you have read the article in question? After a brief search I was unable to find and read it myself so that makes me wonder whether you have indeed bothered to do this.
      So this leads me onto the next question, under what basis can you describe the research of a senior professor as codswhallop if you haven’t read the article? A quick look at the authors profile and it is clear she has many publications to her name, are these all codswhallop too? Have you even any experience in research methodology or the peer review process? Can you explain to me specifically what part of the methodology in her study makes her findings invalid?

      My point is this: criticise academic findings and methodology all you want but only if you can back yourself up with good evidence and not opinion, heresay and some ridiculous argument that this reminds you of what you did in undergrad…..

    • Jonathon says:

      02:35pm | 24/01/12

      Agreed James, Daniel often writes biased trash.

    • marley says:

      09:07pm | 24/01/12

      If you read the UWA press release (very easy to find)  you will ask yourself, well, what was the methodology?  Because it sure as hell isn’t explained, but I somehow suspect that all 513 people were interviewed were white, because the questions only make sense in that context.  And that means the whole survey has a built in bias that renders it pretty questionable. 

      If an academic wants credibility, they ought to do a better job of explaining how they reached their conclusions. Otherwise, it’s pretty much opinion and hearsa.

    • Sam Chowder says:

      02:16pm | 24/01/12

      I find a lot of the cars that fly the Australian flag do not compliment the vehicles finish.  With my green metallic finish, I fly the Mauritanian flag which complements the car much better and doesn’t offend the colour senses of other road users.

    • Mr Pastry says:

      02:28pm | 24/01/12

      My problem flying the flag on my car is that I have to make sure my journey does not have any bridges lower than 5 metres or I lose the pole.

    • master says:

      02:22pm | 24/01/12

      Did we really need a whole article on this? It’s pretty common place to know all these studies are rubbish pretty much the old saying of 68% of all stats are made up would have sufficed. i hope you didn’t get paid for this.

    • Erik says:

      02:28pm | 24/01/12

      Looks like the author of the article is just as guilty of bending the facts as the authors of the study:

      First of all he calls out for a qualitative study, when this is clearly a quantitative study. Calling the questions leading is something he needs to back up. (I thought the question wether or not you agree with the policy of only bringing in westerners to Australia was a perfectly neutral way of gauging “racism”). And this being a quantitative study, the sample size of 102 is perfectly valid to a 95% certainty.

      Example: For the entire registered number of passenger vehicles in Australia (12 474 044 as of 2011), and allowing for a margin of error +/-10% (well below the 22% difference between flag and non flag bearing cars) you only need a total sample size of 96.

      I’m only barely statistical literate, but even I know that people generally believe you need a much larger sample size than you really need. I also understand that when there are this much emotion loaded in a subject, people are more inclined to disregard facts going against their current beliefs.

    • marley says:

      09:19pm | 24/01/12

      It depends what your sample of 102 consisted of. If it excluded anyone who wasn’t white or who spoke with an accent, then it’s not a representative sample.

    • Andrew says:

      02:30pm | 24/01/12

      Right on Daniel, with “research” like this any Tom Dick or Harry could become a university professor.  Certainly doesnt justify $100kpa research grants or whatever they get.

    • Zeta says:

      02:33pm | 24/01/12

      Look, I know the article is meant to be tongue in check, but I can’t stand it when people are wrong on the internet.

      Just because you don’t understand how statistical analysis is carried out doesn’t mean its wrong, it means you don’t know anything about statistical analysis. Now, if someone’s wrong about say, their multiplications table, they’re usually just stupid, but if you’re wrong about the application of the Pearson product-moment correlation coefficent then you can be easily forgiven - but that doesn’t mean you’re entitled to opine on it.

      Without trolling too hard, it’s like saying you don’t believe in Climate Change when you have no understanding of meterology, and claiming, ‘Ah can’t read good, but ah noes when its is rainan.’

      There’s nothing crap about a methodology involving just 102 people. Without getting into too much scary SCIENCE! that might make people angry, frightened, and superstitious, statistical analysis of something like the UWA study works like this - you have what the science mans call a ‘null hypothesis’.

      For those of you who fact check my comments with Wikipedia, that’s the general or default position of a set of data, in this case, the null hypothesis would have been ‘there is no correlation between Australian flag flying and racism’.

      So you have a set of data gathered from 102 people and a null hypothesis you want to test. At this point, your body had better be ready for some rock hard maths you gorgeous baby because your brain is about to look like the opening credits to Fringe.

      While the end product is some nice fancy percentages that average, TV watching brains can comprehend, the data itself is ground back to a ‘p-value’, that is, the probability that the most extreme position the sample returned compared to the null hypothesis is true. Then the data is weighted against the Pearson product-comment corelation coefficent (try saying it with a bucket of hot chips in your mouth) by the ratio of corelation to sample size, for example, 102 samples would be corelated at 0.21 variance in linear dependence… but then shit gets real, because your P-value is subject to the Transposed Conditional Fallacy, then you go back and calculate the chances of your extreme results occuring by chance. Just when you thought you couldn’t handle any more maths, you got variance analysis you might do, and psychological statistics are their very own discipline, where just in case you big brain wasn’t hurting enough you bust out the Mann–Whitney U test AKA the Mann–Whitney–Wilcoxon or Wilcoxon rank-sum test or its DJ name, UdubsCoxMan - a non-parametric statistical hypothesis test for assessing whether one of two samples of independent observations tends to have larger values than the other.

      The most obvious problem with the data is that it was collected from an event that would probably attract a lot of racists, but through the painstakingly heavy process of checking a statistical hypothesis you can actually even that out. With statistical maths, you could go to a Ku Klux Klan meeting with a survey and still come away with an accurate percentage of mainstream views.

      As a disclaimer, I’m not a licenced statistician, I’m just an armchair enthusiast.

    • Martin says:

      02:35pm | 24/01/12

      “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

    • Don Paul says:

      02:36pm | 24/01/12

      Daniel, very good article.

    • Just Sayin' says:

      02:43pm | 24/01/12

      I’d be interested to know if the people who drive around in their vehicle in Australia, with European country emblems/initial stickers on their rear windows, are more or less likely to be pretentious name-droppers, than those who don’t.

    • Gralen says:

      03:00pm | 24/01/12

      I don’t fly the Australian flag because it has the flag of another country on it. Doesn’t that make me a proud and patriotic Aussie?

    • jm says:

      05:31pm | 24/01/12

      Nope, I’d say sanctimonious wanker.

    • Greg says:

      03:02pm | 24/01/12

      I wonder when these “researchers” will perform a survey of people who wear or fly an Aboriginal flag? In my experience, these people have racist attitudes against European-Australians, even if they have European heritage themselves.

      Or maybe that should read: “especially if they have European heritage themselves”.

      I suspect that the real racists are the “researchers” who initiated the biassed survey in the first place.

    • Patriot says:

      03:07pm | 24/01/12

      Get a life! I fly the flag because I am proud to be an Australian, and I was born in Italy! The American are more patriotic than us they have flags flying everywhere and everyday does that mean that they are more racists than Australians ?

    • Graeme says:

      03:11pm | 24/01/12

      What if I fly an Italian flag out the window.  Does that make me racist as well?
      These people have good educations and then waste their time on studies such as these.  Get a real job and contribute something for a change instead of this garbage.

    • jed says:

      03:12pm | 24/01/12

      Asian heitage brain surgeons are more likely to demonize white Australians as racists than the average australian.

    • marley says:

      06:22am | 25/01/12

      You got any evidence of that?  Teo certainly didn’t demonize what Australians, so who did?

    • andrew says:

      03:17pm | 24/01/12

      what a load of crap how can a survey of 102 people be credible in any sense of the word being proud of the country you live in does not make you racist but using statistics like those in the original article does let us believe that the herald sun is struggling to fill its paper with quality articles and must resort to journalism of the lowest standard

    • James says:

      03:47pm | 24/01/12

      “how can a survey of 102 people be credible”

      Quite easily in a statistical sense actually. The generalisations derived from the findings will depend on the sample demographics and where they were recruited from.

      Its very basic research methodology.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      03:18pm | 24/01/12

      I’m with you Daniel….now if you guys could stop quoting website polls…..

    • Mort Dexter says:

      03:23pm | 24/01/12

      My conclusion from the survey?  I have come to the sad realisation that I share this great country of ours with a bunch of f***wits.  And top marks Daniel on a great article.

    • Ben says:

      03:38pm | 24/01/12

      I worked in an Industry where mainly Owner divers (truck drivers)if they have the Aussie Flag pinned in their cabin, through my experience most, not all had very extreme “right Winged” warped racist views while having talk back radio blairing in the background.Just look at the Australia Day riots, Right Winged extremist hid behind the Aussie Flag. Extreme Lefties dont hide behind the flag they burn it instead :( which should be a crime, but also instagating violence and hatred under the Aussie Flag should also be a crime.

    • Geoffrey Dujon says:

      03:43pm | 24/01/12

      I’m appalled that people would be so exclusionary as to fly a flag of the country they live in, with complete disrespect to people from other cultures that are living around them.  Makes me sick the extent of our racism that people would identify as Australian.  I’m so angry I’m going to move to Japan or China and become a citizen there.. oh wait

    • Patriotism is not Racism says:

      03:48pm | 24/01/12

      If I cannot fly the flag of my country, the flag that belongs to all Australians, then what flag should I fly ?  Dr Teo, I challenge you to answer that question, directly ..... “What flag should I fly as a proud Australian?”

    • Concerned citizen says:

      04:03pm | 24/01/12

      You can fly the flag. He’s not saying you can’t. He’s just saying the you’re probably a bogan.

    • Gordon says:

      04:10pm | 24/01/12

      Did he say not to fly the flag? No. What are you on about moron?

    • averill says:

      03:55pm | 24/01/12

      102 people with flags were surveyed. Approximately 1/5th of all surveyed. Of those 46% believed that the white Australia policy had saved Australia from many problems that other Countries had. That is roughly 46 people out of 500 believe this to be true. That sound about average to me ! Why not go back this year and survey everyone who attends the Sky Show that would give a better idea of the correct results!

    • fml says:

      04:19pm | 24/01/12

      I wonder what the number would be after they all sober up?

    • Gordon says:

      04:07pm | 24/01/12

      This study has been absolutely worthwhile. It has proven my contempt the 80-90% of bloggers as idiots who don’t know what they’re on about and don’t deseve to be heard, yet are, by a media that panders to the bottom-feeding uneducated conservatives! Because it’s shown that around that percentage can’t read and comprehend English past about a 2nd grade level. The study doesn’t say it’s racist to fly the flag! (so don’t fly it you bastards, signed Australia hater ‘academic’ who knows nothing) ! It says that contingent is likely to include racists, that’s all!! F**k me!!!

    • Gordon says:

      04:08pm | 24/01/12

      PS I was talking about the whole blogosphere, not The Punch so much. We’re a bit smarter here.

    • GavinD says:

      04:14pm | 24/01/12

      I would be interested as to whether any of the 46-odd folk who said they thought the White Australia Policy was great could actually explain, in their own words, what it was… My guess is no

    • Bogan Bob says:

      06:42pm | 24/01/12

      The educated ones could, well not using their own words…. “Two Wongs don’t make a white”.

    • onlooker says:

      04:18pm | 24/01/12

      Oh good grief, some may be just patriotic, I would say the majority are just getting into the swing of Australia Day. I never associate the flag with racism. What is next? if we buy a meat pie , are we supportive of animal cruelty? Whoever is doing these surveys need to get a real job

    • SD says:

      08:55pm | 24/01/12

      You are supportive of animal cruelty if you by a meat pie. By proxy anyway.

    • kitteh says:

      04:25pm | 24/01/12

      I’m relieved to see several posters have already pointed out some of the basic flaws in this article, so I won’t labour the point - suffice to say that the survey in question has been misunderstood by the media and the public. It isn’t a study or the basis of a peer reviewed journal article, and the researchers haven’t represented it as such.

      UWA, like many Australian universities, produces excellent research in a number of fields (and no, I’m not studying or working there). This work usually starts with the gathering information to verify that an issue exists and requires funding for further work (and the survey in question probably falls in this category), then goes on to more controlled and rigorous study, which then may be published in journals if it passes peer review.

      So why has the media (and that includes the author) latched on to these preliminary findings? A quick look at UWA’s publication records shows that they have published many recent articles, the result of several years’ work, in high impact journals - all on significant and topical subjects such as criminal justice, diabetes, bioremediation and nanomaterials. Nobody in the media is writing about those articles and their impact on the public.

      I suspect two things are afoot. Firstly, writing about an article on, say, Rett syndrome would require significant effort on the part of the journalist. It is much easier to take the little sound bites put out by a publicity department than to actually read those articles and decipher what they mean. Secondly, most of the public wouldn’t care because the research hasn’t been made into the published equivalent of reality TV - easy to watch, instantly relatable and ultimately popular. Everyone has an opinion on the flag issue, so it’s emotive and easily generates a reaction, hence the coverage - here as elsewhere.

      Perhaps the article should be titled ‘Flying the flag for lazy journalism - and we don’t demand anything better.’

    • wearestardust says:

      05:38pm | 24/01/12

      Why has the media latched on to the findings?  Because UWA put out a presser without, as far as I can see, also providing any information enabling adequate assessment of the validity of the study.  The media has pretty much repeated the UWA presser word for word.  this is one case where I think we ought not blame the media, and especially not complain that the media is not treating the matter in a shallow way - they’re just following UWA.

    • Craig says:

      04:35pm | 24/01/12

      I am all for national pride, I just haven’t found a nation I can be proud of yet.

    • Ryan says:

      04:40pm | 24/01/12

      Why did they restrict themselves to the Australian flag? Could have used any national symbol and got the same result. I see Indian flags and stickers on cars here in Melbourne.

      Answer: they set out to denigrate Australian patriotism.

    • thatmosis says:

      05:57pm | 24/01/12

      Professor Farida Fozdar was the name of the person heading this team and if i was a racist i would make something of his name and his ability to accurately and without prejudice come to a conclusion other than the one he arrived at. This is just another beat up that happens every year about this time when national fevor reaches a different level. If this is the best that comes out of that Uni then i suggest its closed and the building used as homes for the homeless.

    • doony says:

      07:25pm | 24/01/12

      its racist now being an australian in australia

    • fml says:

      11:24am | 25/01/12

      No its not.

    • donna says:

      07:58pm | 24/01/12

      who cares what anyone thinks about what anyone else does or doesn,t at the end of the day it,s no,ones business but your own ..im irish an i shall fly the aussie flag an i dont give a toss as too what anyone shall label me ...i dont let crap live in my head rent free an i sure as hell dont care what anyone calls me

    • Wolf Schmidt says:

      09:04pm | 24/01/12

      Another lot of educated morons jumping to conclusions.
      I was born in Germany and I am a proud Australian, so are my kids.
      We love this country, except for all the ever increasing nut cases.

    • Bowhunter says:

      09:19pm | 24/01/12

      The truly hilarious part about Southern Cross tattoos or stickers, and the ignorant types that sport them, is that they seem to think it is somehow exclusively an Australian symbol! I got news for you, it belongs as much to any other Southern Hemisphere country as it does to us…not at all! It’s a constellation, fools! It “represents” the universe, if anything at all. I’m old enough to remember a time when working class folk (yep, I’m one of ‘em, too!) were suspicious of overt flag waving. It was something done only by Americans, or corrupt rich people with something to hide. Trust me, they were better days.

    • Ben says:

      09:22pm | 24/01/12

      This sort of thing only gets put in the news to stir trouble….It’s all rubbish and I have no idea why people bother responding to such dribble. I’ll have my flag on my car come the 26th, because I love my Country and that’s my way of showing it grin

    • Servaas says:

      09:59pm | 24/01/12

      The study’s findings should’ve read: the typical Australian racist is more likely to wear/wave/endorse the Australian flag than the typical non-/less racist Australian. That’ll make perfect sense.

    • Old Chook says:

      10:04am | 25/01/12

      All this is!!!  A load of crap. I love my country i love my flag and i will fly my flag.
      And if this makes me a racist bogan I don’t care!!!!!

    • donna says:

      08:11am | 30/01/12

      good on ye old chook im irish an living here ,, i have adopted the aussie way of life an i dont agree with foriegners coming here an not adapting to the ways of this country,,when i left ireland i had to sign a stat dec stating that i speak an undertand the english language to come here an this in an english speaking country,, if ppl want to live here they should speak english an not create suberbs of their own

    • cynic says:

      10:17am | 25/01/12

      A coincidence that a little known academic issues these “findings” close to Oz Day and surprise, surprise, concludes a pre-determied outcome. Piffel really and self serving at self promotion.

    • Cath says:

      10:21am | 25/01/12

      You should have heard the withering and thorough critique of the pollsters’ faulty methodology given by my two recent high school graduates as they sat in their pjs munching toast.  What a hoot - and a relief that at least they did learn something useful in school!

    • Grateful Aussie says:

      04:52pm | 25/01/12

      I live in Perth…. that’s right, a city of 1,700,000 people.
      A poll of 513 who were already celebrating ie. not people avoiding the crowds or together with the whole ‘invasion day’ thinking, is not representative of my city - or its university. This was probably a small study done for the background of some anthropological paper, and now the media’s blown it all out of proportion.
      It’s a whole day off people, I’m sure the flag waving is a small part of it. Fly your flag if it makes you happy. Stop and think about what it means for our indigenous population too. Spend time with friends and family. Spare a thought for our diggers.
      But most importantly stop and be grateful for how unbelievably lucky we all are. While half the world’s population live below the poverty line, while mother’s babies die from diseases and their children are trafficked for sex and labour - well, we get to worry about flags!!
      Happy Australia Day.

    • Scotty P says:

      09:09am | 27/01/12

      My brother has a tattoo on his arm that reads “Love it or leave” under a Southern Cross. The first thing i asked him was where were the aboriganls supposed to go and why should they leave.
      Too many of our youth see the flag as something to be waved in another’s face that will make them more patriotic than other people. Our past is not filled with jingoistic flag waving and the sudden instances of racist riots at Cronulla beaches is a symptom of the racist attitudes to patriotism this Country is adopting.

 

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ClubsNSW is set to introduce a fresh new effort to combat schoolyard intimidation, insisting on a principal’s…

Gentle jabs to the ribs

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

A private school girl’s family is sueing her elite, extremely expensive private school for not… Read more

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