Stability - hilariously enough - is the word of the day in Canberra as both Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott argue that they are best placed to find a way out of the mess left from Saturday’s election shemozzle. 

Anti-social media: Bitar hits back at Iemma on Twitter this afternoon

While much of the horse-trading will come down to policy - that is, arguments over the respective party positions on big issues such as national broadband and the ETS - it will also be determined in equal measure by questions of personality. And the top-shelf sledging and sniping which we’ve seen in the past 36 hours suggests that neither the Labor Party nor the Coalition can credibly promise they will be able to deliver a stable minority government.

The immediate challenge for Labor is to keep a lid on the explosive tensions involving the conduct of national secretary Karl Bitar and factional numbers men and anti-Rudd plotters such as Mark Arbib, who has pulled out of a scheduled appearance o Q and A tonight amid the fallout from Saturday.

Bitar stupidly responded via Twitter a couple of hours ago to a quality spray from former NSW Premier Morris Iemma who said Bitar would be better of “flipping burgers” than running a major political party.

Iemma said Bitar had destroyed four governments in three years - his, the Nathan Rees Government, the Rudd Govermment and now the Gillard Government. Bitar says in his tweet that Iemma is just bitter that the party didn’t back him on power privatisation (which in passing was the one thing which would have saved NSW from the near-insolvency it’s currently in, and may have also paid for that rail link which blew up in federal Labor’s face a couple of weeks ago.) 

Even if Labor can manage these tensions, others will emerge. There’s been no word from Kevin Rudd for example as to what he wants in return for remaining a loyal member of a Gillard Government and his negotiating position is now much, much stronger than it would have otherwise been.
 
But when you look at the Coalition side, things aren’t much better. There are many National Party MPs who would probably prefer being in opposition to cutting a deal with the three ex-Nats Rob Oakeshott, Tony Windsor and Bob Katter. Tactically these Nats might be right - imagine the marketing power for these three independents if they can form government with either of the major parties, win more influence and greater assistance for their communities, and use that in future campaigns to have more independents elected in traditional National Party regional seats.

The language coming from the independents doesn’t auger well for Tony Abbott’s negotiations. Tony Windsor’s quip today that “I ridded myself of two cancers” when he quit both smoking and the National Party in the 1980s sort of says it all.

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    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      05:34pm | 23/08/10

      O’Connor and Kennedy electorates were never, ever going to be candidates for fibre to the home for everyone, regardless of who won, so you can forget Abbott having to change his mind about much. However, a few deals should be done to ensure that the population centres have decent backhaul and they should insist that as new technology wireless becomes available, it is implemented.

    • MrsMcLeanofStocko says:

      05:36pm | 23/08/10

      I would like to know a little bit more about Arbib and Bitar. Since they seem to wield so much power, I think it is in the interests of all Australians that we get to know something about them. Basically all I know is they are unionists and they run the show.

    • Eric says:

      05:42pm | 23/08/10

      Well, looking at Italy for example - perhaps “stability” isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

    • acotrel says:

      10:41pm | 23/08/10

      I heard one of the independenst say he would support the party which offers stable and ETHICAL government.  That might give Tony a problem?

    • Sam Nixon says:

      12:19pm | 24/08/10

      Over 50 countries have proportional reprsentation, including New Zealand and most of Scandanavia. This whole “look at Italy” thing just betrays the ignorance of the poster.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      05:42pm | 23/08/10

      Re: Iemma and Bitar

      These guys are members of the same party, yes?

    • MarK says:

      06:22pm | 23/08/10

      Yep.

      One is a former Premier and the other a National Secretary (former NSW secretary).

      In other words 2 of the leadership team wanting to bring you stable government.

    • Against the Man says:

      05:43pm | 23/08/10

      Watch as the gutless wonder aka KRudd toe the party line. He was once a PM?

    • nosthow says:

      05:48pm | 23/08/10

      Penbo I saw that Iemma interview where he put the boot into Bitar and you could see him absolutely seething. Its sad we are where we are electorally and I cannot see either party Liberal or Labor forming a government that will happily last till Christmas even. I think we will be back to the polls for a clearcut result hopefully. It says a lot about Abbott and the Coalition who couldnt even beat the weakened Labor Party ! Abbott ran a campaign with no policies and no vision for the future against a destabilised Labor Party and still didnt get a clearcut result !  What confidence could you have in Abbott as PM - none I say !

    • Phil says:

      06:11pm | 23/08/10

      nosthow come on. The only labor voters I know who actually admit to voting labor, always said The Mad Munk was unelectable, and that labor would be in power for a generation. The look like right twats now.
      Iemma now looks like a compietent premier compared to the sheila running NSW right now.
      Abbott had to fight a dishonest campaign, the union funds, and a heavily backed labor party with all the resources that being the incumbent government brings.
      Adam Brandt would also wise not to write off not doing a deal with the coalition. They got him in and if things dont work out they can probably get him out of parliment.
      Personally if Gillard gets in we will ahve a DD election before this time next year or soon thereafter.
      All 3 independants are strong, but the voting in their electoates is heavily against labor. Who knows.
      Labor would struggle to get legislation past the senate unless they get everyone to agree other than the libs before July next year, by which time they would be ready to go to the polls.

    • Steve says:

      06:13pm | 23/08/10

      @nosthow I am not sure what planet you just landed from but from where I sit (NSW unfortunately!) if Labor form Government federally we are in deep s@#t!

      The simmering tension between all the ‘powerbrokers’ will not last a week before it all explodes!....cannot wait!!

    • Against the Man says:

      06:18pm | 23/08/10

      Why blame Abbott? Why can’t you see that it was Gillard from the government with nothing to lose in the 1st term of its current existence that loss. Talk about unstable - back stab the PM, faceless puppet masters etc Abbott is a God sent! Man they gained so many seats and the ALP loss so many. And Gillard had loads of great policies…..............

    • Richard says:

      06:20pm | 23/08/10

      Sad for YOU to see where we are nosthow, especially considering your constant and emphatic predictions of a Labor victory. I’m not sad at all.

      But of course, you wouldn’t give Abbott the credit for anything would you? Even if beheaded the Queen in front of your own eyes you would say “oh nah, she was getting old… her head just probably fell off by itself and it was pure coincidence that Abbott happened to be swinging an Axe at her neck at the same time.”

      If the “weakened Labor Party” not being swept from office entirely, despite a 17 majority (20 seat majority in nominal terms after re-distributions), is supposedly such an poor indictment on Abbott and the Coalition, answer me this: how did the Labor Party get weakened in the 1st place?

    • Steven kaye says:

      06:22pm | 23/08/10

      You poor fool! Know this - whenever the next election is held, the Abbott-led Coalition will finish the job and sweep Labor away.

    • Jason CR says:

      06:31pm | 23/08/10

      nosthow,
      1. No government has ever been tossed out after one term since 1930.
      2. The coalition claimed 16 seats.
      3. greens preference deal prevented a slaughter for Labor.

      Not bad for a guy that supposedly had no hope 6 months ago.
      How did the champagne taste on Saturday night?

    • MarK says:

      06:32pm | 23/08/10

      *Errrrr…..the first first term govt since the depression not to win a second term.

      Brawling on twitter.

      Shall we go on?

    • grumpy old Pete says:

      06:33pm | 23/08/10

      totally agree; Abbott just kept to his mind numbing mantra about boats, waste, debt blah! blah! blah! Tony; she happens to be P.M you happen to be opposition leader, TELL US WHAT YOU WILL DO!!  if we give you our vote & you become P.M. I’ve no truck for Julia, but you do not convince anybody!!
      A pox on both your houses!

    • nosthow says:

      07:02pm | 23/08/10

      @JasonCR - hows that “emergency service ” work going old buddy ? You should have lent poor old Tony a hand on Saturday - there he is the poor bugger stuck in limbo land, nowhere to go. Any decent Liberal Leader e.g. Howard would have wiped Gillard out. The poor old Mad Monk just cant get a win Jason - no win for Tony !

    • nosthow says:

      07:05pm | 23/08/10

      @Richard - Dick, Labor will still win old buddy - we are ahead in the seat count.  POP goes that Champagne cork again - gees I love elections !

    • nosthow says:

      07:09pm | 23/08/10

      @MarK - not over yet buddy - labor ahead in the count ! POP goes my Champange cork once again celebrating every winning milestone to victory ! Dump Abbott Mark - hes a big Loser !
      @Everyone else - a Labor government is coming up soon - votes have to be counted first you know !

    • Nicole says:

      07:28pm | 23/08/10

      By the looks of things nosthow, you had far too many drinks on Saturday night, and your thoughts are, well, hung over.
      Go and have a nice strong cup of tea, a bex and put your feet up luv. Queen Jooolya won’t sit on her throne very long. smile

    • nigel molesworth says:

      07:50pm | 23/08/10

      The ALP are uterly weedy and wet as any fule kno. Even Fotherington-Thomas can count to 76 and he is girlie and spend his time skipping about he sa Hullo clouds hullo sky hullo sun etc.

    • MDMConnell says:

      09:21pm | 23/08/10

      Oh My God, this is hilarious.

      After assuring us for weeks that Abbott was toast and Labor were going to romp it in, nosthow’s now desperately trying to spin thea close result as terrible for the Liberals.

      If this is the official Labor Spin, it’s pathetic. You’d think they could come up with something better than this.

    • Mouse says:

      03:31am | 24/08/10

      nosthow, I get the feeling you don’t like Abbott do you? You must feel pretty pissed too seeing as you were so sure Gillrudd/Labor were going to flounce it in because they were a strong, united party.  Bet those champers bubbles went down well!!  Never mind, it’s not over yet, she may be able to buy her way out of this one.  Doesn’t matter, we all know now that Australia doesn’t want her, she’s a bit slow on the pick up though. Bet the faceless ones aren’t!

    • iansand says:

      05:53pm | 23/08/10

      Now there’s a thought.  Rudd leaving the ALP and sitting on the cross benches.

    • Phil says:

      06:13pm | 23/08/10

      What about if the coalition offered him the speakers role?
      a) He loves the sound of his own voice
      b) No doubt he hates Gillard and co.
      c) He could become an independant
      d) If labor are not in power I cannot see him staying. He would go for sure, and the Libs could pick up his seat with a high profile candidate.

    • Mr Pastry says:

      06:18pm | 23/08/10

      @iansand - Sideshow Rudd is after revenge that is more damaging, I can’t wait to see his inscrutable plan emerge. Nyah ha ha ha ha hahaha

    • Joe Blow says:

      06:03pm | 23/08/10

      Labor stable?  Yeah right.  So we’ve just been through an election campaign where Party’s tend to be as ‘stable’ and ‘disciplined’ as they can possibly be ....... Latham, leaks, ridiculous meetings with Rudd/Gillard.  I see Shorten is already favourite to lead Labor to the next election ...

      If the Independenst back Labor they are being dishonest in stating they want stable government. 

      Note:  Gillard has yet to say who will hold down critical cabinet positions - that would be a start in achieving stability I would have thought

    • Allan says:

      06:09pm | 23/08/10

      To add more fuel to the fire the new Senators do not take their seats until the middle of next year.
      If Tony Abbott becomes PM he would have a friendlier Senate for at least the next 10 months than Rudd/ Gillard had over the past 2 1/2 years.
      Conversely if Gillard continues to be the PM she could face a hostile Senate while in a weak position.
      And no guarantee with a double dissolution election to get legislation through either.
      Interesting times!

    • Gran Depine says:

      06:30pm | 23/08/10

      Gran Depine begins to sing, “It’s my party and I will cry if I want to, cry if I want to, cry if I want to…you would cry too if Bitar -Arbib shafted youuuuuuuuu”. Strike me watermelon pink! What is Bitar and Arbib mantra in State and Federal Government?  “I hate to see you go, but love to watch you leave” ....Great! You either get a Greek bearing gifts or a knife in the back. Bravo Bravo faction boys and girls, see you at the beach party at Mykonos. Iemma’s first shout at the bar followed by Latham, then Rudd if someone can teach him how to drink a schooner and stop enjoying the sound of his voice next to the mirror on the speaker podium.

    • Roger says:

      06:39pm | 23/08/10

      “Who hates who”?

      Give me an f-ing break.  I’ll read your article when you get your grammar sorted.  And not until.

    • Nicole says:

      07:33pm | 23/08/10

      Sh!t Penbo, the grammar police are on to you !

    • stephen says:

      08:23pm | 23/08/10

      A spanner in the grammar ? Penbo’s no dill.
      I’ll give you a break…an ellipsis after ‘until’.

    • Super D says:

      06:40pm | 23/08/10

      Abbott is the only chance we have of a stable government.  The ALP can’t wait to start getting stuck into each other.  I’m not sure which way the independents will go but I would bet london to a brick that if Tony Abbott is the next PM the ALP will basically disintegrate before our eyes.  Even if Labor get up there is no guarantee of stability - you can see that they are all biting their lips.  Given that the rural independents are from conservative areas they certainly wouldn’t want to back a Labor government only to see it fall apart before all the promised goodies could be delivered.

    • Eno The Wonderdog says:

      06:43pm | 23/08/10

      Does anyone else think the irony of a bunch of Liberal and Labor stalwarts shouting at one another on blogs like this delightful? Australia has obviously voted “Meh” to both the mainstream parties. The Greens seem to have benefited by telling people what they stood for rather than “We’re not the other lot”. Perhaps this unholy mess will improve the accountability of parliament? Yeah - perhaps pigs will fly too. The majors have lost all connection with reality.

    • Northern Steve says:

      07:53pm | 23/08/10

      Greens are telling as many porkies as the rest.  eg going on about how they polled 12% compared to the Nationals 4%.  While technically true, the Nationals only contested 17 seats (according to their website, and excluding Qld LNP candidates).  Do the sums, and 4% in 17 seats agains 12% in 150 seats, I’d say the Nationals well and truly outpolled the Greens in raw votes.

    • TheRealDave says:

      08:04pm | 23/08/10

      no, about 13% of Australia voted - Meh. The other 87% voted the usual clowns.

    • TheRealDave says:

      08:07pm | 23/08/10

      Umm Steve…how do you figure that 4% in only a few rural seats is somehow more than 12% across the whole of Australia?

      Or is there some weird Joh era Gerrymandering going on where 1 rural vote for the Nats is worth a hundred and eleventy three Greens votes?

      Or is my sarcasm meter broken?

    • Amused says:

      10:09pm | 23/08/10

      @Northern Steve:

      The Nationals also won 7 out of the 17 seats they contested, whereas the Greens won 1 seat out of how many seats they contested?

    • Barry says:

      11:10pm | 23/08/10

      The Greens are the largest party to actually not have it’s policies come under scrutiny.  All the Greens ever give is their social progressive lines about gay marriage, and giving refugees a fair go.  Ironically, it’s a joke anyway as you’d think the Greens would be the most passionate party against limiting asylum and migrant intake as the Australian Conservation Foundation states that population growth is a threat to biodiversity.

    • Cameron says:

      10:43am | 24/08/10

      @Therealdave

      That would be 4% of the nation wide vote, having only contested 17 seats. If they had contested the 150 seats like the Greens, that would have been a higher primary vote than the Greens.

    • dale says:

      12:41pm | 24/08/10

      See if you point out that the greens HAVE policies then both sides jump on bashing the greens. It seems that having policy=bad having vision=bad.

      Labour/liberal they are the same to me. can someone tell me where they are different? labour has the “faceless” union men. Liberal has the “faceless” corporations.

      All the lieing and bitching that is done, these people are meant to be leading the country not going to primary school.

    • Eno The Wonderdog says:

      05:04pm | 24/08/10

      Some mighty fine Greens bashing there guys - I don’t follow them myself but nice to see you have some vitriol left over for them too - would hate to see anyone left out! smile

    • Bob H says:

      07:04pm | 23/08/10

      We have no leader and the government is not actually doing any work.  I can’t understand why Australia hasn’t collapsed without politician’s to guide and direct us all.

    • nosthow says:

      08:23pm | 23/08/10

      Wow ! the news for Labor just keeps getting better - the Victorian seat of Dunkley is now line ball due to a counting error - I can see over the next few days Labor will go very close to getting the magical 76 seats - the Greens will ensure that anyway.

    • MDMConnell says:

      10:43pm | 23/08/10

      LOL, wasn’t Labor going to romp it in with a landslide according to you?

      Now you’re getting cocky about the chance of falling over the line by one seat.

    • Yvonne says:

      08:43pm | 23/08/10

      I expect, that although unsavoury, there will be some deal struck where we have a labor government again! Not happy. However, all is not lost. We may then have history repeat and see Julia under the pump, and Gough and her will be friends, and we will see the second sacking of a prime minister in our life time, both labor, no coincidence, with a blockage of supply, thanks to the independents. Why does it take disasters for the people to see how bad the labor policies are for our country? Federal or state, labor have bad histories.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      11:44pm | 23/08/10

      Julia Gillard talks about the desire for stable government.  That’s a joke.  The Labor Government has about as much stability as a quicksand pit.  If this whole thing (negotiating with the Independents) fell through in the midst of bile and vitriol it would not surprise me.  Labor are great haters and not so great forgivers.

    • Daffy says:

      04:26am | 24/08/10

      I want to see one party leading without being blackmailed by a few independents,I would prefer Liberal but would reluctently wear Labor but never the fruit loop gay Greens.

    • Daffy says:

      04:26am | 24/08/10

      I want to see one party leading without being blackmailed by a few independents,I would prefer Liberal but would reluctently wear Labor but never the fruit loop gay Greens.

    • DJ says:

      04:36am | 24/08/10

      The performance of Tony Abbot to go so close to defeating a first term Labor government was simply outstanding. For the 3 independents to ignore that and side with Labor will be treachorous in the extreme, given their conservative roots.

    • Eno The Wonderdog says:

      06:09pm | 24/08/10

      Hmmm - Tony Abbot came an honourable second so should be given the win? Interesting if unusual logic there.. smile

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      02:00pm | 24/08/10

      In the event of neither Party being able to form the next Federal Government in their own right, as we are told is inevitable they will have to negotiate with the Independents. They will then have to go to someone whom they both agree will make an unbiased, non-politically based decision. Under normal circumstance this would be the Governor-General.
      Through no fault of her own the current Governor-General is the mother-in-law of an MP who is a member of the Federal ALP’s Parliamentary Party & senior power-broker therein, Bill Shorten.
      Under these extraordinary circumstances Ms Bryce must excuse herself & withdraw from any & all negotiations.
      Should she remain & decide to hand government to the ALP, then, rightly or wrongly, at least 50% of the Voting Public will forever have their doubts that she acted impartially & a-politically as the Governor-General is required to do.

    • Eno The Wonderdog says:

      08:42am | 25/08/10

      I believe the rules are quite rigid as to what she can and cannot do. she could be the member for Bill Shorten herself and still has to fulfil the same duties & follow the same rules.
      Unfortunately whomever was in the position of Horsey (GG) would be a voter and under the same scrutiny now as though they happened to be kinda related.
      Given all the Mother in Law jokes in the world wouldn’t you expect it to go the other way?
      Tank about damned if you do and damned if you don’t!

 

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