Greens war not kosher, says Marrickville mayor

Ironside says:

07:47am | 08/04/11

and yet you did, well done James

Adam Diver says:

10:17am | 08/04/11

Kudos to Ironside

Growingupcreepy says:

03:39pm | 08/04/11

Kudos indeed!

Megalawlz says:

01:01pm | 11/05/11

Haha good one Ironside!

TChong says:

07:44am | 08/04/11

yep.
Picnic or Snickers Bars and a can of coke, or drive thru maccas.
A cone heads staple diet.

ZSRenn says:

08:27am | 08/04/11

@Chongy wrong again.
I prefer where the burgers are better
They are bigger and you get more fries.

CABAL says:

09:02am | 08/04/11

Just go to KFC, its so soaked in grease you barely even notice the taste

Bruce says:

11:08am | 08/04/11

michael j: Halal might be more humane than kosher, however both amount to animal cruelty. No doubt a “beast” will understand its reason for living once its killed !

Paulb says:

12:56pm | 08/04/11

The cruelty to animals only reflects the cruelty both the Hala and Kosher sides of that particular divide feel towards each other.  If only they’d keep it to themselves at least.

James Hunter says:

01:14pm | 08/04/11

bruce,
we are at the top of the food chain , animals are there to be eaten. besides if we just let them breed unculled then there would in the end not be enough grass. That would mean all the veagans and vegies would die.
Hmmmmm maybe there is a god after all. !

michael j says:

02:55pm | 08/04/11

@bruce for 20 yrs i did the killing part and i left a comment a few months back that calves seem to cry just b/4 they die while a few of us talk about it but have no theory on it,
@Paulb-Christen Lady wanted my mate to sign a petition against HALAL products not being labelled in supermarkets so i came home and looked some things up,,,40 years ago where i worked got a contract to supply meat to Israel but the killing had to be done by Jewish priests
a lot of changes had to be made to the killing area so the beast could be held down so they could cut their throat while alive after they had done this the beast was hauled onto the rail and still had to be bleed by one of our blokes,,,,While i know HALAL was done that way they now let the works use stunner’s like earmuffs as long as they haven’t been used on pigs,,as long as the heart is still beating they are satisfied the animal is still alive,,with the heart still beating it can pump out more of the blood
personally like most heathens i don’t mind a bit of blood on the bar-BBQ,,,

michael j says:

08:33pm | 08/04/11

@Bruce maybe the calf’s know that they have not reached being adult cattle
therefore when they die they wont understand their reason for living and know they will have to come back as a cow again and that is what makes it seem as though they are crying before they die,,
Bruce 50 years with no theory ,now there it is,,thank-you
probably best i don’t tell me shrink though,he’s a Hindu,,,,,,,,,

Phil says:

08:13am | 08/04/11

Drew I didnt think I would ever agree with anything you ever said, but yes there is always an element of truth in stereotypes.

As for vote 1 The Greens. I dont think so.

How can you love Lee Rhiannon.

Edward James says:

08:14am | 08/04/11

I don’t love Lee she lied to me as leader of the NSW GREENS ! Edward James

LoveFest says:

12:52pm | 08/04/11

I can feel the love in the room…

Seano says:

09:38am | 08/04/11

“She is the Godless, selfish, evil one”

“What else can you do?”

Put your tinfoil hat back on?

Flexo says:

11:04am | 08/04/11

Gillard is one of the worst things to happen to Australia. The Greens may have their faults but Juliar sure can bring out the worst from a pretty bad bunch!

TChong says:

11:04am | 08/04/11

Well played Seano, that one reached the boundary.
You sick today AtM?
Vitriol levels starting to run on emptyt?
No talking points from LNP HQ or HR Nicholls?
Try John Birch Society, or my favorite Right Wing (Absolute ) Nutter site - FRONTPAGEMAG.
BTW - dont be jealouse of Eck getting all the attention.
Your posts AtM , are in a class all their own. 

Against the Man says:

04:01pm | 08/04/11

Oh TChong Labor stooge extrodinare, do I need to cut you down to size like your best friend John A Neve aka Fine Words aka ALP coward?

Vitriol? Dude this woman is collecting a taxpayer pay check and not doing her job. Maybe you can except incompetence but I sure can’t.

It would help your cause if you could shut me up by naming some Gillard/ALP achievements.

Look man, I’ll help you out - deaths from the home insulation project, no health care policy, asylum seeker issue solved?, backstabbing Rudd to be PM, getting lower poll numbers tha Rudd, lies about not implementing a carbon tax etc, oops I started poor Chongy on the wrong list.

Let me leave you with a nice link to show you that you are supporting a lost cause.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/labor-to-break-promise-on-dental-subsidy-scheme/story-fn59niix-1226034938051

You are asking if I am sick? Looks like you will be very sick under your girlfriend’s health policy.

Come back to me when you ready to be a man

Seano says:

08:38pm | 08/04/11

It doesn’t matter what Gillard is or isn’t doing your sick bile won’t change regardless of her performance. Therefore your comments are largely irrelevant except for providing the opportunity for the occasional a laugh.

Against the Man says:

09:20pm | 08/04/11

Seano do you hear yourself. You ALP guys are so pathetic and desperate. You are actually saying it is ok for the fake PM to not do her job? It is ok for her to screw over this country and get paid for it? 4 years and counting with zero significant policy success.

This is what desperate ALP supporters do. Try to deflect and make everything seem alright. Nice try but people aren’t buying it.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/08/3186446.htm?section=business

You gonna close your ANZ Seano and Chong Baby?

You could so easily shut me up by telling me how good Gillard and the ALP have been these last few years. But your insignificant and unsubstantiated reply shows that you agree with me. Gillard is a turd and so are her supporters. Deal with it

Seano says:

10:17pm | 08/04/11

1. I voted LNP in the state election. I vote for who I think will do the best job. Only a moron only sees things in either black or white, but then look who I’m talking to.
2. Your barely lucid rants show you are a complete loon.

Against the Man says:

06:53am | 09/04/11

Seano if you really vote for the party with the right policies than you will NEVER vote, support or defend the ALP. Why call me a moron? Look at yourself and ask yourself does this fake PM deserve my respect? I’m open to anyone’s views on how and why Gillard is a good PM. And I’ll change my mind and leave her alone if people like you can actually back up your point of view.

She does not believe in God or a higher power.
She was very unemotional during the QLD floods.
She has dropped all investigations into the home insulation deaths? Anyone go to jail/court for that?
She lied about the carbon tax.
She back stabbed her boss for the top job?
etc

If that isn’t a Godless, selfish, evil person than maybe we should have her and her ‘values’ as standard examples in ALL schools as a A1 role model.

You can’t deny the above points and for you to say she and her party is doing a good job at the Federal level is just delusional. Looks like Seano is doing the great ALP cop out…........like I said nice try but like Chongy and friends you guys who secretly support the ALP and Gillard are becoming a minority…..........

My points have defeated Rudd, NSW ALP, VIC ALP, JoHn A Neve, Rob C Whatever and soon Gillard…...........deal with it.

Seano says:

07:32am | 09/04/11

“Seano if you really vote for the party with the right policies than you will NEVER vote, support or defend the ALP.”

I stopped reading at this point, I’m not interested in indulging your lunacy further.

The Badger says:

08:00am | 09/04/11

aym
You forgot the deliberately barren and living in sin bit.
Better get the National party to update their talking point list.
tosser

Against the Man says:

10:00am | 09/04/11

Seano gave up because he couldn’t come to terms with the fact he has been caught out. Glad to see I’ve knocked another one of these ALP zombies down. Like shooting fish in a barrel….......

ps: If Seano was smart and mature he would have listed ALP achievements to counter my arguments. It really is sad to see these guys post comments that make them look like childish losers…..really sad.

The Badger says:

10:45am | 09/04/11

atm
You’re a legend in your own mind.

Seano says:

11:04am | 09/04/11

Ummm loony…you haven’t actually made any arguments…so I haven’t bothered countering them.

I tell you what you screw your tin foil hat on real tight and try your very bestest to make a sensible comment and I’ll respond. Good luck with that.

Against the Man says:

12:55pm | 09/04/11

Seano, calling me names isn’t gonna hide the fact that you lost this debate and now you are trying to cover up by calling me names. I’ve highlighted Gillard’s faults and lack of policy success, especially health care. You don’t want to answer or challange that with counter points than don’t. I win, you lose. And EVERYONE can see that

Seano says:

02:08pm | 09/04/11

What debate? All that’s happened is we’ve demonstrated just how completely out of your tree you are. But then I remind myself that was my original intention. So WIN!

Against the Man says:

03:05pm | 09/04/11

Seano, you lost baby, maybe you need to tell yourself you are a winner because of the psychological damage I’ve done and to repair your wrecked ego. You see all your posts are just talk and insults - no info or links to back you up. HaHA I’m enjoying drawing out your weakness and watching you and TChong flounder. And it inspires me to post more links to damage the lil’ credibility the ALP has left. Thank you for being a brillant stooge

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/mayors-rage-at-bligh-political-water-ploy/story-e6frg6nf-1226036243377

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/blood-on-the-floor-spoils-the-party/story-fn59niix-1226035883670

Looks like the ALP like Seano is dysfunction and on the road to permanent Loserville!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Against the Man says:

03:05pm | 09/04/11

Seano, you lost baby, maybe you need to tell yourself you are a winner because of the psychological damage I’ve done and to repair your wrecked ego. You see all your posts are just talk and insults - no info or links to back you up. HaHA I’m enjoying drawing out your weakness and watching you and TChong flounder. And it inspires me to post more links to damage the lil’ credibility the ALP has left. Thank you for being a brillant stooge

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/mayors-rage-at-bligh-political-water-ploy/story-e6frg6nf-1226036243377

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/blood-on-the-floor-spoils-the-party/story-fn59niix-1226035883670

Looks like the ALP like Seano is dysfunction and on the road to permanent Loserville!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seano says:

09:46pm | 09/04/11

There is nothing you could say that would damage anyone’s credibility as you have none. Tin foil hat back on.

Cate P says:

12:19pm | 08/04/11

Yup,  the Oz tells us all we need to know about the Greens.  Does Grog think its about time they got the scrutiny they deserved too as they are now in the governing coalition?

Likes Joining Dots says:

09:10am | 08/04/11

Jedi_T

It gave me a chuckle as well. I think my mirth was compounded since I read this article first. It seems the founders of the Greens are not happy.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/founding-fathers-turn-on-urban-greens/story-fn59niix-1226035658080

Richard says:

09:54am | 08/04/11

Good article LJD, and it sort of backs up a point I was trying to make in a thread on the weekend, which was that the Greens didn’t need to make themselves so irrelevant by positioning themselves so far to the left and antagonising the Liberals so much. The Democrats provided a template for how a minor party could occupy the centre ground and have success (until the whole Kernot defection debacle ruined it for everyone).

The Greens could have stayed neutral between Liberal and Labor and focus on advocating for the environment, and it would have fulfilled a very necessary purpose where there is currently a vacuum in Australian politics. But they were hi-jacked by trotskyites and far-left extremists, and are now rapidly sliding away into electoral irrelevance, and taking the ALP with them I might add.

TimB says:

08:31am | 08/04/11

It is true. By not agreeing to a preference deal with Labor, the Greens left the window open for Hanson to get in.

Penbo might have been incorrect with *how* exactly the Greens were responsible for Hanson getting in, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that they still *were* responsible.

The Greens are much more interested in whining about petty details instead of admitting they screwed up. Irresponsible children.

W.H says:

01:27pm | 08/04/11

Don’t worry Ted, of course the real reason is that too many deluded racists voted for dear Pauline, It’s not at all the Greens fault. Perhaps its the non compuslary prefrance that is to blame… or Labors lack of preferance for their essential “coallition”..., Nah it must be those hippy socialist tree hugging immoral Greens. Let’s just blame them because its easy to avoid or deny the real problems.

Dan says:

09:25pm | 08/04/11

uh, Tim B, it is not true at all. They didn’t preference anyone; they therefore aren’t responsible if some racist fools preference Hanson!

TimB says:

11:15am | 09/04/11

Dan, that’s the entire point. They didn’t preference anyone. So the zombies who followed their how to vote cards exhausted their vote under the OPV system. Same thing for Labor voters simply because they couldn’t preference the Greens without reciprocation.

If they had traded preferences with Labor then their votes would have still counted iunstead of beeing discarded, thus making it much harder for Hanson to get in.
I’m not saying the Greens are soley responsible for that situation but they ARE at least partially responsible. And they can’t accept that, so instead they’re off having a whine about it.

Suck it up Greenies, you want to play with the big boys, expect the same treatment.

Reggie says:

07:51am | 10/04/11

If you go back to the original article you will see that conservatives are more susceptible to fear than are real liberals. (Note the US origin of the article.)

Any Hanson success as mentioned, suggests that most Australians are susceptible to the faux-liberal policy of inculcating fear and loathing and easily fall victim to the long faced Liberals and to their thrust towards Hansonism.

It’s simple Timmy. The long-faced “liberals” are conservatives of the Hanson mold. She’s leading you chaps. Suck it up Timmy.

AFR says:

09:20am | 08/04/11

I did. Must make me a whacko.

HappyCynic says:

11:12am | 08/04/11

Well they are slightly less insane than the rabid nutters in the Labor and Liberal parties (mostly because they aren’t beholden to unions or religious freaks).  And because they rarely win any seats one can do his stupid civic duty by voting 1 for the Greens and go home.

Plus their stand on the legalisation of weed is very noble and virtuous

CABAL says:

09:05am | 08/04/11

Could please tell what this good work is?

(not sarcasm I genuinely want to know)

Macon Paine says:

10:23am | 08/04/11

Oh C’mon Daniel lighten up, don’t be so pompous!

That article was just gentle ribbing, it wasn’t a serious attack on the Greens because (as the whole anti Jewish/Israeli split going on in the green movement shows) they are perfectly capable of hanging themselves given enough rope.

Well done Joe, highly entertaining.

Cate P says:

12:25pm | 08/04/11

Joe omitted to mention your presence at the meeting.  Shoddy reporting as usual Hildebrand.

stephen says:

02:12pm | 08/04/11

The Greens in Westphalia, Germany, are doing well. There was a photo last week of them, laughing, even teeth, all white, and the sun on them.
Not a care in the World.. but there is a care, and such people, (Greens, I mean) can’t help us.
It’s nice to be lovable and green, but there is too much to do now.
Trust Labor.

mw says:

12:28pm | 08/04/11

Corduroy is awesome!

Chris T says:

08:26am | 09/04/11

Most Christians I know are socialist (after the manner of Jesus himself).  Yet journalists seem to think that Christianity=right-wing!

Eskimo says:

04:17pm | 08/04/11

You cut its head off.

Markus says:

12:48pm | 08/04/11

The same argument could be made about everything any journo writes about either major party.
Don’t aim for increased public influence without expecting the increased public scrutiny that goes with it.

Regarding pacifism, you are right that not supporting all wars is not pacifism, but not supporting war or violence of any kind very much is, and the latter covers most Green policy fairly accurately.

RobJ says:

01:21pm | 08/04/11

“Don’t aim for increased public influence without expecting the increased public scrutiny that goes with it.”

Scrutiny is fine, lies aren’t.

“but not supporting war or violence of any kind very much is, “

Erm, they support the NFZ, they know that enforcing an NFZ involves violence, they supported the action in E.Timor. Not supporting Iraq and Afghanistan doesn’t make one a pacifist, I’d argue that it indicates their sanity.

I’m a Green, I’m no pacifist.

Mark says:

12:57pm | 08/04/11

Am I the only one here that thinks that the Greens had a good result? First Ever member of Lower House, Record Vote, Record number in Senate.

What planet are people on? Yes, they only got one seat,not 2 and yes it was due to the boycott Isreal issue - but its still 1 more seat than they’ve ever had!

stephen says:

04:38pm | 08/04/11

Yes Mark, but 1 plus nothing equals one,
and is one more that nothing.

Mark says:

11:36pm | 09/04/11

Yes Stephen, keep trying and you’re sure to pass Kindy one day!

B says:

10:17am | 09/04/11

WTF kinda rant was that?

I’m a liberal voter and proud of it as we are a large and progressive force in the next generation of voters.  I cant stand labor stooges like you that sprout this crap rhetorical nonsense that does no one any good and makes YOU look like a complete and utter moron.

Everything you have said in your comment can be applied to Labor voters/Green voters.  I know of rich Labor voters.  So get off your high horse and go get a life and stop plodding away at your PC at 7PM on a Friday Night.

Oh I forget.  Your beloved Labor has made everything so expensive that YOU have no money to go out anywhere

Rubber Monkey says:

04:48pm | 09/04/11

B, you think voting Liberal makes you progressive?

Now that’s funny!!

Sleepless says:

07:01pm | 09/04/11

B, how sad that you didn’t get it. I’m happy to inform you that you are a minority.

My friends were laughing so hard that they couldn’t stop, I was laughing with tears streaming down my face on the bus while reading it.

It’s the best ‘exclusive’ that Joe has unearthed to date.

Megalawlz says:

01:20pm | 11/05/11

Nup, mate, pretty sure the alternative is always better than Hanson. Unless said alternative’s stupidity surpasses Hanson’s. Not likely, though.